I appreciate this video not only for the song, but for reminding many of us that the story both started and ended with a ship trying to be shielded against lightning.
They were trying to copy the ShB Talos building scene and the EW "Everyone arrives with adamantite" scene without understanding why either of those scenes actually works.
This song made me laugh so much the first time I heard it and then I laughed even more the second time it played in the MSQ. It was definitely jarring but I think I appreciate it for what it is. It's exudes positivity and wears its heart in its sleeve despite being flawed, kind of like this expansion in general. The more I listen to it, the more I love it. Also props to Soken for experimenting with his version of gospel songs.
@@lexo632 It's very sudden, and cuts straight to the chorus. Keep in mind this is all in service to breach a fortress checkpoint and eventually forestall an invasion.
Dawntrail has been great. It has its faults but you can NOT compare it to ShB and EW lmfao. It has a lot of beauty but some players just want to ignore all of it and even take that beauty and scrutinize it for faults that may or may not even exist. But people will feel an ounce of disappointment over something and throw all of it in the bin. There's so much all-or-nothing, discounting the positives, black-or-white, emotional reasoning, and overgeneralizing present in the comments sections of these videos and whatnot. And anyone who chooses to go harass the people who worked tirelessly to create the game is just terrible.
I really like this song, it works as an ending credit song but really in the bomb cutscene and thats fine, ffxiv isnt a perfect game and the people in the comments are acting like its an egregious thing. Comparing a new start to the climax that was shadowbringers and the ending that was... endwalker, is extremely unfair and those that are commenting just to hate seriously need to find something to be happy about. just because you didnt like something, doesnt mean the whole world needs to hear about it
And just because you DID like something doesn't mean the world needs to hear about it. Everyone is allowed to share their opinions. Grow the fuck up man lmao
the first time I heard this song in the MSQ it threw me for a loop, it sounded like something straight out of a musical. But as times gone on and I’ve listened to it more, it’s a really beautifully composed song with a ton of lyrical depth. It’s easily one of my favorites now, up there with flow and answers
@@aronth Personally, the first time it appears it's fitting, i know people hate that it sounds like a Disney song Lion King kind of deal, but i personally loved it for that. It's the 2nd time it playso ut that feels like it just comes out of nowhere and makes you wonder "...Wow you guys didn't really had time to make another song for this part, huh?" And of course, the final time it's used is super good.
Yeah I thought it really hurt the ending at first, but I’ve softened to it a lot. I think that it’s waaay to busy to really process during the ending/narration, but holds up pretty well on its own.
@@MHMega I love the "busy" part of the song, but yeah, if you're actually intending to listen to the lyrics and it's meaning, it's definitelly a nightmare to keep up with it. I feel this is probably the first song they need to give us official lyrics so we can properly understand what it's being said. This was the same issue with the CGI trailer song, great song, but they need to tone down the multiple chorus all at once, or find a way for the vocals to be easier to follow.
the first time i heard this song in game, it made me laugh so hard xD. It just sound so much like something from a lion king musical. For the expansion that introduced Wuk Lamat character arc. There is no way soken didn't do it in purpose XD.
Why the hell do people keep bringing up the Lion King? They sound nothing alike! the music from the Lion King has an African sound to it. This doesn't sound African at all, and definitely doesn't sound like anything Hanz Zimmer would produce.
Hungrychad is typically rather quick with getting these videos out but considering it took this amount of time i think its safe to assume that like me they had a hellish time trying to determine what half the words even were. It feels unintelligible at times.
Not my favorite song - way too corny for me. But anyone who says this woman can't sing? And thinks her singing sometimes being sharp means she is too "pitchy"? You probably haven't listened to much music that isn't overly processed or constantly using autotune. The singer sounds great to me.
I don't know if I'm reading too far into it but the last few lines seem to line up with an expansion much like the lyrics in Dawntrail. "Not a fantasy" = A Realm Reborn "But from the heavens that call it grand harmony" = Heavensward "So we go on, and carry on" = Stormblood "Never gonna stop (x2)" = Shadowbringers (the lyrics repeat twice along with the backup in two different tones, *_two toned echoes_* some might say) "Because together, we can not fail" = Endwalker
@@J-manli there's something about the sudden chorus of the song with none of the prior buildup in the full ver that just sounds horrendous on my ears and I couldn't take both scenes seriously, even if I really enjoyed the buildup to them
Personally i think they should've made an alternate version all together that keeps the vocals but transitions better into them for cutscenes. Just cutting the song midway through is def a choice, specially because even the first time it plays you can tell the song started midway through.
Soken should have brought in either Omega Bone (the vocalist who is featured in the song “Heavensward”); Aundrea L. Hopkins (featured in “Somnus” from FFXV); or both of them to sing this song. This performance has a straining of the voices, a straining that sounds a bit painful to me.
Yeah I agree by and large, sounds like they were pushing her outside of her normal vocal range and she was straining hard. That said, I do like the song lyrically, just think it would have been better if they'd let the singer bring it down even half an octave in parts.
i swear...there's a section in the orchestrion roll version in-game where the recording sounds dirty (contains noise that's not supposed be be there)...but this one here on youtube sounds cleaner...am I crazy?
Going from "I'm not a fan of this song" to "I do not like this song" to "Good lord I needed to hear this today real bad" is absolutely the kind of vibe they were going for and on reflection yeah I think I love this song?
Even if I don't like the song I gotta admit that it was superbly delivered and overall well arranged around the different thematic motifs from the expansion.
SPOILER This song feels like it belongs to Wuk Lamat. She was alone in her dark thoughts until she realized she had allies she could count on and grew from her journey. I’m surprised people say the song doesn’t fit; when in actuality it’s meant to fit one person
Wuk Lamat and Sphene do have parallels so they fit. But lines like "In lightning's wake, did naught but ash remain" and "the storm has taken everything I'd known" seem to be more about Alexandria than Tulliyolal. Also the final lyric "Forever, for we won't end!" is like it is the Endless that are talking to Sphene. And there is a chance that, much like "Answers", we will only realize what this song is really about in 4 expansions 😀
I hear parts of it that reference the past expansions and their characters, and a throughline of the messages we've always come away with. The ancients and those we've lost are telling our WoL that we carry them in our hearts, so get out there and live as their legacy meant for us to, because even if we think we've seen it all, there's still so much more to discover. Our friends are reminding us that they're standing next to us even when we feel alone, and even when they're not there, new friends will be. By that same token, it's our job to pass that message on to new heroes coming up, like Wuk Lamat and Erenville--keep going forward even when you think you've lost too much because you still carry their memories, and never forget that you don't have to go it alone.
@@Mortimer13 There are a lot of parallels with what Sphene was trying to do with the Endless and the Ascians' motivations--the Ancients' wishes to be remembered and preserve their legacy. The Endless are talking to Sphene and the S9 folks in one of the threads, and the Ancients are talking to the WoL, and Gulool Ja Ja is speaking to Wuk Lamat-- wherever you go from here, you carry us with you in your heart
I feel like people are totally missing the point of the song and cutscene. "We're just building a bomb." No, we're seeing how the people of Tural are coming together as one, despite their cultural and ideological differences, to defend their nation of an invation. All thanks to Wuk Lamat, Koana, and their friends. It's a scene about unity
We didn't need a Disney musical the last like four times we've had a scene like this, this entire story is basically "ShB/EW lite" even down to the moral dilemma, riding trains into shit, coming together as a bunch of people (Like the Talos, like the ship in EW, etc)
i also dont understadn why so many people literally hate on this song. its not my kind of music too but i can still appreciate it for what it is. Conclusion: People just like to overly hate something.
its bc the scene which if first plays is where we get peoples from various cultures of tural to help us build a train that we outfit to become a giant bomb to break the barrier and infiltrate a thing that just slaughtered a large number of the population the intended feeling was 'yay teamwork we settled our differences to complete a common goal :D" instead a large portion of us felt the tonal whiplash of happy cheery song to oh god if we dont build this thing to even have a chance to try get to the bottom of this we are gonna die
@aqc1987 But that doesn't explain the hate for the song itself. Thinking the scene doesn't work is one thing, that doesn't necessarily mean the song itself is bad. Also, the first time it plays is when Wuk Lamat and Koana are crowned Dawnservants.
I think it’s cause in the main story the only part of the song they use seems to be 1:50 they always seem to cut straight to that part with no or little build up, hence the clashing tone complaint with the bomb building part “We need to build a bomb to breach this base” while SO SMILE starts in the background
Thanks 4 the effort! ❣I really like this ending song - I mean, it´s FF XIV - nearly every song is great, but this one has some special place "after" (the) END (walker) and end of an era-time. Starting something new! :) Can't wait to spend another +10 years in this game! 😍
Me, after the first listen: "It's a nice song that fits Dawntrail." Me, after second listen: "The chorus is a bop, though." Me, waking up the next day: "Get out of my head! Get out of my head! Get out of my head!" Tiiight, seize the day and hollddd on tight, the sun is risinnggg!
This is not a bad song at all and it fits the themes of Dawntrail well. My only gripe is that there’s too many people singing at the halfway point and couldn’t follow along afterwords. And as I’ve yet to complete the MSQ, I don’t know what the connection to the characters and the greater narrative this is supposed to have. Even now, I’m still struggling to get invested in Tural and it’s people after Endwalker.
I actually didn't struggle too much, and endwalker broke me emotionally lol. I think taking a break after that expansion to do other things helped me easily come back to this one with a fresh start.
As for narrative connection, it’s from the start. The chorus of voices are the scions and your other friends reminding you they have and will be there to support you, so you can enjoy the ride now.
It's objectively a bad song. The singer is off-key and off the beat, the melody is totally confused and the attempt to layer multiple sounds and vocal tracks objectively failed. It sounds like a cacophonous mess. I genuinely don't understand how anyone is defending it as even being professionally-composed music, let alone being "good"
people are memeing on this song because it plays during a montage where you watch everyone build a bomb train, which is possibly the single most absurd thing this game has ever done outside of Hildibrand lol The other two times it plays makes sense, because everyone is celebrating and the song has a celebratory feel.
@ArtForSwans a montage of comradery and friendship working together towards a greater goal that helps us forget momentarily about some of tragedy we just went through.
I like the song myself, I just think when it was shown off was the wrong point, because if I remember right, we first hear this song not during something like the Crowning Ceremony or the like, but when we're building, uh... something, something, train, something something, spoilers for the fifth zone. (I know the expansion has been out for a month but I like to still be a bit curtious for a month or two more before really talking about the expansion openly.) But as for the song? I like it, its something different from the usual Sokken that we all know and love, and I can appreciate that from the man. He doesn't just work with what he knows but tries to experiment. It's why I love the calm jazz music of Turalyolla. :3 And why I was like "No... bring back the smooth funky jazz music when we lost it. ;_;"
I definitely agree about people being disappointed with the singer… at the beginning. Unfortunately she does sound very airy and restrained and it definitely does put a bad first impression… But after that?? Y’all can’t listen to her from 2:11 onwards and argue that she’s a bad vocalist in the slightest! It’s clearly a mismatch in style at the beginning, but when she’s able to belt alongside the choir, it’s hard for me to ultimately dislike the song as a whole
Dawntrail upset a lot of people cause it focuses on a female character (who has a trans voice actor) and they are no longer gods most special creature on the planet as we take more of a mentor role. This expansion was going to be a bit rough as we transition from Endwalker to the next stuff, but ad that and all the dude bros got their feelings hurt. This means any minor issue is suddenly THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. THING!
The first two times the song plays it was 100% for the absurdity of it, but I knew they were doing it so that when the song plays for real you'll be like "Ok yall earned that!" For me it never felt like they earned the song. They have 2 more chances to earn it: a boss fight in a later patch, or during the end credits in 7.5. I hope they are able to, because I really like what the song is going for.
Nice song, not mature like other we are used to ending the MSQ, but still nice. Shame it came out in the wrong context at the end of MSQ, just for the sake of the “message” it want to bring. It feels like it does not fit the moment, when I heard it the first time, or better... the end of MSQ was deserving two song, this is just one part of it.
I love this song so much. The songs are all from the perspective of characters in game. Having one that’s all our friends and allies expressing love and excitement to go on new adventures with us is such a sweet idea. Especially after the last time we heard the voices of our allies it was confidently declaring that they’d have to live on through us after their sacrifice.
I'm a very cynical person, but! I am very open to where DT may go, I dropped playing all the way through becauae a friend joined me on game and I decided to play through the game with them from the start so I've not finished DT and avoided any spoilers. Honestly exploring the rest fo the source is an exciting prospect. I defiilfinitely don't expect this expansion to be a perfect start. But I'm inter3sted to see where the game goes from this point on
SPEEEEEEN LISTEN TO ME. its mostly about freaking wuk lamat. Being glued to ya for a lot of the journey. And the Voice didnt not help. Its like shes yelling in lowercase
I'm pretty optimistic, I just think DT is badly paced/written. I actually really liked Wuk Lamat as a character for the first half. But she takes far too much attention away from everything else. Zoraal Ja is a weak, underdeveloped antagonist. The most interesting part of the expansion is Sphene and the Endless, but those aren't introduced until the last quarter of the expansion, so they don't get the screentime they deserve. Even as an optimistic person I think Wuk's journey should've had more strife/difficulties. We had an entire patch storyline about how Alphinaud's optimistic dream of the Crystal Braves was usurped and taken over by insidious elements, it was a surprisingly realistic event that he learned and grew from. Wuk should've had similar issues, which would also give Alphinaud a role in her journey by teaching her what he's learned. Alisae should also teach her not to rush into things or act without thinking. These characters are with us the entire journey but barely get a role because the writers never bothered to think of what they should do besides be there for the sake of being there.
@@RSATT01 I'll never get the complaints about Wuk Lamat, We finally get a character that isnt melodramatic and is more subtle with her developement in the sense that shes always had the makings of a leader but just doesnt realise the value of her inherent traits and people want to take that and shove it into this generic shonen protagonist archetype of "I need to suffer to grow as a person"
@@Ivan-co7iz sorry you had to learn this so late but dawntrail is literally Wuk Lamats story and we're just along for th3 ride. Sorta baffles me that even after 10 years of being the main character people still cant get enough of the spotlight and let the writers mix things up. And the english voicework in ffxiv has always been really weak, Yshtola and Estinien barely ever talk outside of a moody grovel and every other scion never expresses emotion two degrees outside of miffed or content
I always wondered why this sounded familiar. Because the singer sang the Aquarion anime OPs. I think this song is a disservice to her and it wasn't her singing that messed it up but whoever produced this.
Oban Star-Racers, Aquarion, Amagi Brilliant Park (a KyoAni series), Izetta: The Last Witch, Kantai Collection, The 8th Son?, The Ancient Magus Bride, Active Raid, Seiyu's Life, and then her first song for FFXIV being Scream for Pandaemonium
Unless you don't like Disney or it's musicals of course, #1 hater of such right here. That being said though, the choir section of this song is amazing and I love it. The rest of it is not for me though
Most people probably don't like it because it just didn't land that well in context. Anyway even if it's a fun/not terrible song when you compare it to all of the other big cumulutive vocal tracks it just doesn't really stand up.
The disney musicals thing speaks to the cultural power of disney and probably where many people first hear this kind of composition. For me, it reminded me more of 80s pop from artists like Michael Jackson or Celine Dion
it was also supposed to be our vacation arc, the beginning of a new story in the tale of the star, it's supposed to be happier than shadowbringers and endwalker. and tbf, tullyollal IS the pride rock of the new world
I'll never understand some of these comments who don't just simply dislike the music that may not be their taste, but rather actively hate on one. Is it even that bad? I thought it was a pretty good music that was rather new as well when I first heard it, and that went same for my friends' group. And mind this, it's not like me and my friends who pushed through DT MSQ intend to whiteknight the entire expansion. We fckin DESPISED of how abrupt and inconceivable some characters' story developments turned out to be.
the same tune, with different instruments are the themes of both solution 9, and tulilolyol city the song in its entirety (instrument wise) is fine it is the version and section that they chose to start on for the scenes in the MSQ that is disliked. furthermore the lyrics themselves contain elements that narratively are alexandria specific: surving the lightning that reduces all to ash; so the lyric version being played before first arrival of MC to solution 9 is not really fitting for the jarring scenes where smile plays it wouldve been better to not use the lyrics and then save the completed song to be first heard post the lvl 100 trial.
Y'all are abjectly joyless. I think I've come to realize Dawntrail is a PERFECT litmus test for when a person says "cringe is dead". Like do you believe that? Or do you just wanna echo what other folks are saying. Because there's another word for "cringe", and it's "earnest". It's tender, it's soft, it's heartfelt, and it's unashamed. This is a simple story about being happy, and what it takes to keep hold of that happiness, and what you have to do to give it to others. I'm not even conceding the tired fence sitter "well, its got SOME problems..." bullshit, I did that for 5 years with Xenoblade 2 and the conversation went nowhere. Get some god damn whimsy in your life then come back to the MSQ in November, and if you still can't smile, zip your lip and go play fuckin Modern Warfare or something.
I feel like the world has been getting joyless since around 2014 and especially starting when the pandemic came along, regardless of whether it's been online or in the real world. Tough recent times has had everyone on edge, and the world seems to be teetering on the brink of collapse. Food is expensive, rent is unaffordable, hatred, war, and violence is on the rise... I think that's why everyone's been joyless lately and expansions like this seem unbelievable. Hell, it's hard to say people would come together like they did in Shadowbringers after what we saw during the pandemic.
@hungrychad Some lyric suggestions: 0:38 "Try to tame the agony" 0:45 "Look around and find I'm standing all alone" 0:55 "I don't know why I thought I'd make it by myself" 1:23 "Never losing sight of every where I've been" 1:39 "Our Ancient chorus sounds beyond the plains" 2:02 "We walk a never-ending trail/We'll know but we shall never fail" Beyond the first chorus my audio processing issues make it hard to separate the overlapping voices, so I think you did a fantastic job with that... 😊
Using this song for the train montage was hilariously tone deaf. The one time it felt appropriate was the part where Wuk Lamat and Koana become the Vows. That felt pitch perfect for it. The reason why I felt it was really bad for the credits is because there's nothing to distract you from the vocals. And that's not on the singer. She did a great job and did the best she could. It's probably the only time I'll say that Soken didn't do a good job. Prior to "Smile" I would have said his worst song in ffxiv was a solid 6/10 still. Smile though is more like a 3/10. It needed more time. The voice/sound work in DT was really off in general though.
For years, from the final story trial in Shadowbringers, I've bid people newly experiencing the story a certain wish. Smile, because tomorrow is going to be a beautiful day. The rains will pass. This song feels very special to me, because of course I take my wish from the story itself...From what was bid the characters themselves. Remember, walk forward to the next day. Now it's all come back on me, on all of us. There may be a lot of negativity...But I don't agree with it. I'm so glad we got Dawntrail and I look forward to the new places we go from here...One day at a time.
The song itself is good but poorly execute in cutscene, especially building the train scene. Imagine play this song while you build the train to its oblivion.
Honestly, this song sums up this expansion because this after Endwalker has been a nice change and distraction from all the depression of war everywhere. Now I gotta wonder what the next part of the expansion will bring. Hopefully Tural joins up with the Eorzean alliance and opens its ports to more people.
god this song is so nice. people who say it doesnt fit need to lighten up, and also remember that they're playing a Final Fantasy game edit: since i keep seeing this; no, you not liking a genre of music doesn't make it objectively bad and a "mistake."
A great song, I love it, but oh my god was it utilized horribly compared to Flow, Dragonsong and Tomorrow and Tomorrow(Revolutions was just never used except in the credits of StB lol) Would've been nice if it was instrumental for the moments for the moments it played before the end of the MSQ, or maybe have it progress throughout the expansion as we go through each positive moment and the whole thing being played for the entirety of the ending cutscenes, just to reinforce the very positive aspect while still giving it a build up that feels right(without shoehorning it everywhere though I'd hate it lol). I mean, a musical-style song perfectly fits this game, but it really needs that build up and a slow burn to make it feel like it fits properly, unlike in _that cutscene_ .
Who are all these people who are calling this "a great song". Have you ever listened to real non video game music? The singer is completely off key, the lyrics are nonsense, the rhythm and melody are nonexistent, and the attempts to layer different sounds completely failed. Do you want me to introduce you to some good songs? For comparison? I'm not being hateful, I'm just confused how anyone could think this song is good in any way.
@@1lapmagic I can introduce you to some good music, but you probably wouldn't think it was good. It's very different than anything that FFXIV has used before, that's for sure, but it's still good music. No, the issue is I think that FFXIV has gotten used to using the theme of the expansion pretty readily and Smile just doesn't work for that. It's a fantastic celebration song, but Dawntrail's leitmotif in general isn't good for more tragic scenes, and Smile has a very narrow use case.
@@CrystalBearer20 you're welcome to try though I listen to more different music than anyone I've ever met or heard of so you probably can't introduce me to anything :)
It’s giving Sing a Song from the Carpenters vibe. I Love Musicals, from Phantom to Wicked but I have no idea what they’ve done, it’s out of character for FFXIV. It poorly fit the end credits and the vocalist… Zodiark have mercy.
You all would like this song so much more if it wasnt for the breathy completely goofy whiny vowel pronounciation. Like, all the gospel stuff is pretty dope and new to the game. Just also, jesus christ what is that vocalist doing in the beginning? Like what the actual fuck.
Imagine going through a game where your own character, and most of the story, is about hope and optimism, and still finding it cringe. This has to be the same WoLs that abandon Alexander raids after one wipe.
Hope and optimism are great when they shine in spite of adversity. FF XIV understood this very well, especially in Shadowbringers. The issue Dawntrail has is that it doesn't have it. Not even the villains are capable of argue against Wuk Lamat, despite having reasons to. Compare this to "The Measure of His Reach" in Stormblood, a song that was the culmination of a long and hard campaign of liberation, which was a very appropiate theme. This theme coming in Wuk Lamat's coronation, after what pretty much was a tour around the country that did nothing but ensure that any obstacle between her and what she wanted would be systematically removed for her, removes the sense of triumph that would come from it. Any potential conflict was dumbed down or swept under the rug. A song of triumph without conflict is just a Disney song in a JRPG, and that's cringe.
@@shawnscouten5184 I mean it is good, and it's not like the people criticizing it aren't the vocal majority on UA-cam, so its critics certainly aren't being oppressed.
I definitely think this suffers from the problem a lot of non-native english speakers have when writing in English, the more words per minute you try to fit it in the less you can *do* with the song overall. I feel like it needs maybe between 3 to 6 less words a verse to really let the voices AND the score shine.
The most ass song that ever came out of this game, and it didn’t help that they played it while we were building a fucking BOMB. Just a complete L from start to finish 😭💀 It’s so strange because the rest of Dawntrail’s ost’s are FIRE
This song is just really not helped by the first two times you hear it in-game. It's quite nice tbh, having a chorus song in an expansion about multiculturalism is fitting. But these first two times are so jarring it's so weird.
This song was straight out of a musical and gave me tonal whiplash. It felt immensely unearned along with most of the plot and writing. Everything about the expansion was great, except the writing, imo.
Ye know, the more I listen to it, the more I gotta agree it is GOOD. I think the main reasons so many people (me included) tend to complain is because of that terrible use in Shaaloani and having a major Song that in parts sounds like it belongs in an older Disney Movie drills Wuk Lamats constant "I love peace, I love happiness" even harder and boy did I have a headache from it already
Yea its a great ending song.... Just throws you through a loop of... an upbeat song... To making a mobile bomb. But the actual lyrics... It makes sense, since its sung from the point of Wuk Lamat. From the beginning of her journey of being unsure of herself, then losing her father and confronting what came after. The chorus being the companions and people she met and won over supporting her. They are overwhelming her voice as she looks around to realize she isn't alone, and that she doesn't need to carry the burden alone. The last bit being a conversation between Wuk Lamat and the Chorus which I can see her singing with a smile. At least this is my opinion anyway
Luckily during the second half I skipped a lot of cutscenes so I did not see the train bomb thing, but listening to it by itself I think it's not bad. It's very fitting with the second half of the game.
I appreciate this video not only for the song, but for reminding many of us that the story both started and ended with a ship trying to be shielded against lightning.
This is the part of the musical where the cast including the villains come out on the stage and isles to sing the finale
"At the crossroads standing here" and the first patch is literally called crossroads, cant wait!! :D
I’m never going to look at bomb making the same way
You see, by building a bomb, you built a team. It’s poetic, you see, because you use a bomb to… destroy? Wait
They were trying to copy the ShB Talos building scene and the EW "Everyone arrives with adamantite" scene without understanding why either of those scenes actually works.
I personally liked all 3 of those scenes @@vfvs11a
@@vfvs11a Well it did... Just... You should have probably used THAT song to complete the symmetry instead of you know... this one.
@@vfvs11a I'd argue you understood even less......
This song made me laugh so much the first time I heard it and then I laughed even more the second time it played in the MSQ. It was definitely jarring but I think I appreciate it for what it is. It's exudes positivity and wears its heart in its sleeve despite being flawed, kind of like this expansion in general. The more I listen to it, the more I love it. Also props to Soken for experimenting with his version of gospel songs.
"Ooh wough uwooughh yayy" this has killed me LOL
no joke lol bursting snot out of my nose on that one
Me when cunny
That part haunts me in the worst way 😭
i had to pause and laugh for a bit during that xD, genius tho
This playing while you community build a train bomb is fucking hilarious, good job whoever wrote this total clashing scene.
I'm sorry what
@@lexo632 It's very sudden, and cuts straight to the chorus. Keep in mind this is all in service to breach a fortress checkpoint and eventually forestall an invasion.
Heroes Forge Ahead would have been more appropriate
@@KaiserHitoshi HUH
Yeah. It was so awkward having this play during that scene. I don't know what the devs were thinking there.
Dawntrail has been great. It has its faults but you can NOT compare it to ShB and EW lmfao. It has a lot of beauty but some players just want to ignore all of it and even take that beauty and scrutinize it for faults that may or may not even exist. But people will feel an ounce of disappointment over something and throw all of it in the bin. There's so much all-or-nothing, discounting the positives, black-or-white, emotional reasoning, and overgeneralizing present in the comments sections of these videos and whatnot. And anyone who chooses to go harass the people who worked tirelessly to create the game is just terrible.
Nobody discussing in good faith is comparing DT to Shadowbringers or Endwalker. It barely stacks up to Stormblood and still loses that comparison.
I've personally enjoyed every expansion ALOT.
I really like this song, it works as an ending credit song but really in the bomb cutscene and thats fine, ffxiv isnt a perfect game and the people in the comments are acting like its an egregious thing. Comparing a new start to the climax that was shadowbringers and the ending that was... endwalker, is extremely unfair and those that are commenting just to hate seriously need to find something to be happy about. just because you didnt like something, doesnt mean the whole world needs to hear about it
And just because you DID like something doesn't mean the world needs to hear about it. Everyone is allowed to share their opinions. Grow the fuck up man lmao
song has 3 singing groups that represent; the player, the characters we met along the way, and the devs.
which one represents me de-subbing.
@@keithfilibeck2390the ending because BYE BYE BOZO LMAOOOOOOOO
the first time I heard this song in the MSQ it threw me for a loop, it sounded like something straight out of a musical. But as times gone on and I’ve listened to it more, it’s a really beautifully composed song with a ton of lyrical depth. It’s easily one of my favorites now, up there with flow and answers
Yeah, once you hear it in full, It slots in perfectly
I feel like the song works best in the end credits. They shouldve played the instrumental version for the 2 cutscenes mid-expansion
@@aronth Personally, the first time it appears it's fitting, i know people hate that it sounds like a Disney song Lion King kind of deal, but i personally loved it for that.
It's the 2nd time it playso ut that feels like it just comes out of nowhere and makes you wonder "...Wow you guys didn't really had time to make another song for this part, huh?"
And of course, the final time it's used is super good.
Yeah I thought it really hurt the ending at first, but I’ve softened to it a lot. I think that it’s waaay to busy to really process during the ending/narration, but holds up pretty well on its own.
@@MHMega I love the "busy" part of the song, but yeah, if you're actually intending to listen to the lyrics and it's meaning, it's definitelly a nightmare to keep up with it.
I feel this is probably the first song they need to give us official lyrics so we can properly understand what it's being said.
This was the same issue with the CGI trailer song, great song, but they need to tone down the multiple chorus all at once, or find a way for the vocals to be easier to follow.
2:11 Jesus christ... I applaud even attempting that.
Holy shit I didn’t even realize how fucking difficult that would even conceivably be
the first time i heard this song in game, it made me laugh so hard xD. It just sound so much like something from a lion king musical. For the expansion that introduced Wuk Lamat character arc. There is no way soken didn't do it in purpose XD.
now that you mentioned it did sound like a disney song. no wonder i found DT whimsical
I saw someone on TikTok say “Circle of Life ahh song” 🤣 I spat out my coffee and cackled cause of how accurate it was
Why the hell do people keep bringing up the Lion King? They sound nothing alike! the music from the Lion King has an African sound to it. This doesn't sound African at all, and definitely doesn't sound like anything Hanz Zimmer would produce.
Hungrychad is typically rather quick with getting these videos out but considering it took this amount of time i think its safe to assume that like me they had a hellish time trying to determine what half the words even were. It feels unintelligible at times.
Not my favorite song - way too corny for me. But anyone who says this woman can't sing? And thinks her singing sometimes being sharp means she is too "pitchy"? You probably haven't listened to much music that isn't overly processed or constantly using autotune. The singer sounds great to me.
I don't know if I'm reading too far into it but the last few lines seem to line up with an expansion much like the lyrics in Dawntrail.
"Not a fantasy" = A Realm Reborn
"But from the heavens that call it grand harmony" = Heavensward
"So we go on, and carry on" = Stormblood
"Never gonna stop (x2)" = Shadowbringers (the lyrics repeat twice along with the backup in two different tones, *_two toned echoes_* some might say)
"Because together, we can not fail" = Endwalker
the instrumental should've played during those 2 parts in the msq, it would feel SO much less jarring LOLL
It fit the coronation. But I do agree it’s was jarring for it to show up again.
@@J-manli there's something about the sudden chorus of the song with none of the prior buildup in the full ver that just sounds horrendous on my ears and I couldn't take both scenes seriously, even if I really enjoyed the buildup to them
Personally i think they should've made an alternate version all together that keeps the vocals but transitions better into them for cutscenes.
Just cutting the song midway through is def a choice, specially because even the first time it plays you can tell the song started midway through.
Yea, personally, I like the song. Felt that they should have went with the instrumental all the way til the credits roll for the sung version to play.
i cant belieeve they brought akino again, based
I keep thinking of the "circle of life" song from the lion king when all the animals are at pride rock xD
When they're directly referencing the Dawntrail main theme it's supposed to be Time not Tight as in Time seize the day and hold on tight
Nice! All of the lyrics, finally! Let me go sing along.
Soken should have brought in either Omega Bone (the vocalist who is featured in the song “Heavensward”); Aundrea L. Hopkins (featured in “Somnus” from FFXV); or both of them to sing this song. This performance has a straining of the voices, a straining that sounds a bit painful to me.
Yeah I agree by and large, sounds like they were pushing her outside of her normal vocal range and she was straining hard. That said, I do like the song lyrically, just think it would have been better if they'd let the singer bring it down even half an octave in parts.
This kind of reminds me of mid-2000s anime music. It's a bit nostalgic.
i swear...there's a section in the orchestrion roll version in-game where the recording sounds dirty (contains noise that's not supposed be be there)...but this one here on youtube sounds cleaner...am I crazy?
Going from "I'm not a fan of this song" to "I do not like this song" to "Good lord I needed to hear this today real bad" is absolutely the kind of vibe they were going for and on reflection yeah I think I love this song?
Thanks Square-Enix, now I need a picture of the Warrior of Light drawn in the style of the Ol' Disney Animated Musicals.
I love this song!
As a theater kid, this song bangs
Even if I don't like the song I gotta admit that it was superbly delivered and overall well arranged around the different thematic motifs from the expansion.
SPOILER
This song feels like it belongs to Wuk Lamat. She was alone in her dark thoughts until she realized she had allies she could count on and grew from her journey. I’m surprised people say the song doesn’t fit; when in actuality it’s meant to fit one person
Some people says it can also fit Spheen, but I agree more with Wuk. Such a nice song and character. I loved this expansion so much!
Wuk Lamat and Sphene do have parallels so they fit. But lines like "In lightning's wake, did naught but ash remain" and "the storm has taken everything I'd known" seem to be more about Alexandria than Tulliyolal. Also the final lyric "Forever, for we won't end!" is like it is the Endless that are talking to Sphene. And there is a chance that, much like "Answers", we will only realize what this song is really about in 4 expansions 😀
No wonder it's so cringe and immature, just like the character itself :p
I hear parts of it that reference the past expansions and their characters, and a throughline of the messages we've always come away with. The ancients and those we've lost are telling our WoL that we carry them in our hearts, so get out there and live as their legacy meant for us to, because even if we think we've seen it all, there's still so much more to discover. Our friends are reminding us that they're standing next to us even when we feel alone, and even when they're not there, new friends will be. By that same token, it's our job to pass that message on to new heroes coming up, like Wuk Lamat and Erenville--keep going forward even when you think you've lost too much because you still carry their memories, and never forget that you don't have to go it alone.
@@Mortimer13 There are a lot of parallels with what Sphene was trying to do with the Endless and the Ascians' motivations--the Ancients' wishes to be remembered and preserve their legacy. The Endless are talking to Sphene and the S9 folks in one of the threads, and the Ancients are talking to the WoL, and Gulool Ja Ja is speaking to Wuk Lamat-- wherever you go from here, you carry us with you in your heart
I feel like people are totally missing the point of the song and cutscene. "We're just building a bomb." No, we're seeing how the people of Tural are coming together as one, despite their cultural and ideological differences, to defend their nation of an invation. All thanks to Wuk Lamat, Koana, and their friends. It's a scene about unity
The game and story are awful.
We didn't need a Disney musical the last like four times we've had a scene like this, this entire story is basically "ShB/EW lite" even down to the moral dilemma, riding trains into shit, coming together as a bunch of people (Like the Talos, like the ship in EW, etc)
we taught all of Tural how to build a big bomb
lmao cringe
Can someone explain to me why people don't like this song.
i also dont understadn why so many people literally hate on this song. its not my kind of music too but i can still appreciate it for what it is.
Conclusion: People just like to overly hate something.
its bc the scene which if first plays is where we get peoples from various cultures of tural to help us build a train that we outfit to become a giant bomb to break the barrier and infiltrate a thing that just slaughtered a large number of the population the intended feeling was 'yay teamwork we settled our differences to complete a common goal :D" instead a large portion of us felt the tonal whiplash of happy cheery song to oh god if we dont build this thing to even have a chance to try get to the bottom of this we are gonna die
@aqc1987 But that doesn't explain the hate for the song itself. Thinking the scene doesn't work is one thing, that doesn't necessarily mean the song itself is bad.
Also, the first time it plays is when Wuk Lamat and Koana are crowned Dawnservants.
I think it’s cause in the main story the only part of the song they use seems to be 1:50 they always seem to cut straight to that part with no or little build up, hence the clashing tone complaint with the bomb building part
“We need to build a bomb to breach this base” while SO SMILE starts in the background
It's so different. I didn't realize until later that Solution 9 uses this melody too.
Holy shit we use the same PLD glam
Thanks 4 the effort! ❣I really like this ending song - I mean, it´s FF XIV - nearly every song is great, but this one has some special place "after" (the) END (walker) and end of an era-time.
Starting something new! :)
Can't wait to spend another +10 years in this game! 😍
I'd really like to get the glam those deckhands are wearing. Ideally not locked to Fisher, lol
I just wanna see this song done on Broadway, for science
Me, after the first listen: "It's a nice song that fits Dawntrail."
Me, after second listen: "The chorus is a bop, though."
Me, waking up the next day: "Get out of my head! Get out of my head! Get out of my head!" Tiiight, seize the day and hollddd on tight, the sun is risinnggg!
14s power
A ton of songs that bury themselves
@@AuroDHikoshi
big fat tacos...
big fat tacos...
big fat tacos so biiig...
NEVER GONNA STOP
NEVER GONNA STOP!
I think 4:14 is 'we can together this land defend' ?
after to listening to it over and over it sounds more like "we come together, this land we fend"
This is not a bad song at all and it fits the themes of Dawntrail well. My only gripe is that there’s too many people singing at the halfway point and couldn’t follow along afterwords. And as I’ve yet to complete the MSQ, I don’t know what the connection to the characters and the greater narrative this is supposed to have. Even now, I’m still struggling to get invested in Tural and it’s people after Endwalker.
Yeah even with the lyrics I cannot keep track of what’s being sung when there’s like three different choruses singing differently all at once.
I actually didn't struggle too much, and endwalker broke me emotionally lol. I think taking a break after that expansion to do other things helped me easily come back to this one with a fresh start.
As for narrative connection, it’s from the start. The chorus of voices are the scions and your other friends reminding you they have and will be there to support you, so you can enjoy the ride now.
you would hate choir or acapella, or storylines not about yourself
It's objectively a bad song. The singer is off-key and off the beat, the melody is totally confused and the attempt to layer multiple sounds and vocal tracks objectively failed. It sounds like a cacophonous mess. I genuinely don't understand how anyone is defending it as even being professionally-composed music, let alone being "good"
I feel like I'm the only one without issues here lol
Nah, plenty of us around. Absolutely love this song myself
Haven't even played but it's not a bad song. Love the choir. Wish the lead sang with a fuller voice but other than that it sounds good
people are memeing on this song because it plays during a montage where you watch everyone build a bomb train, which is possibly the single most absurd thing this game has ever done outside of Hildibrand lol
The other two times it plays makes sense, because everyone is celebrating and the song has a celebratory feel.
@ArtForSwans a montage of comradery and friendship working together towards a greater goal that helps us forget momentarily about some of tragedy we just went through.
I like the song myself, I just think when it was shown off was the wrong point, because if I remember right, we first hear this song not during something like the Crowning Ceremony or the like, but when we're building, uh... something, something, train, something something, spoilers for the fifth zone. (I know the expansion has been out for a month but I like to still be a bit curtious for a month or two more before really talking about the expansion openly.)
But as for the song? I like it, its something different from the usual Sokken that we all know and love, and I can appreciate that from the man. He doesn't just work with what he knows but tries to experiment. It's why I love the calm jazz music of Turalyolla. :3 And why I was like "No... bring back the smooth funky jazz music when we lost it. ;_;"
I definitely agree about people being disappointed with the singer… at the beginning. Unfortunately she does sound very airy and restrained and it definitely does put a bad first impression… But after that?? Y’all can’t listen to her from 2:11 onwards and argue that she’s a bad vocalist in the slightest! It’s clearly a mismatch in style at the beginning, but when she’s able to belt alongside the choir, it’s hard for me to ultimately dislike the song as a whole
Dawntrail upset a lot of people cause it focuses on a female character (who has a trans voice actor) and they are no longer gods most special creature on the planet as we take more of a mentor role. This expansion was going to be a bit rough as we transition from Endwalker to the next stuff, but ad that and all the dude bros got their feelings hurt. This means any minor issue is suddenly THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. THING!
@@littleowl3493 Damntrail just had some really boring stretches. It's really not all that deep..
@@littleowl3493huff that copium
The first two times the song plays it was 100% for the absurdity of it, but I knew they were doing it so that when the song plays for real you'll be like "Ok yall earned that!" For me it never felt like they earned the song. They have 2 more chances to earn it: a boss fight in a later patch, or during the end credits in 7.5.
I hope they are able to, because I really like what the song is going for.
It's a really good song. The tone of it makes me happy lol.
Nice song, not mature like other we are used to ending the MSQ, but still nice. Shame it came out in the wrong context at the end of MSQ, just for the sake of the “message” it want to bring. It feels like it does not fit the moment, when I heard it the first time, or better... the end of MSQ was deserving two song, this is just one part of it.
It fit well at the end of the MSQ...the other times though...
I love this song so much. The songs are all from the perspective of characters in game. Having one that’s all our friends and allies expressing love and excitement to go on new adventures with us is such a sweet idea. Especially after the last time we heard the voices of our allies it was confidently declaring that they’d have to live on through us after their sacrifice.
* slowly sways hands side to side.
Tonal whiplash: The Song.
It seems like the bulk of people who dont like DT are pretty cynical, makes sense considering its an expac largely about hope and happiness
I'm a very cynical person, but! I am very open to where DT may go, I dropped playing all the way through becauae a friend joined me on game and I decided to play through the game with them from the start so I've not finished DT and avoided any spoilers. Honestly exploring the rest fo the source is an exciting prospect. I defiilfinitely don't expect this expansion to be a perfect start. But I'm inter3sted to see where the game goes from this point on
SPEEEEEEN LISTEN TO ME. its mostly about freaking wuk lamat. Being glued to ya for a lot of the journey. And the Voice didnt not help.
Its like shes yelling in lowercase
I'm pretty optimistic, I just think DT is badly paced/written. I actually really liked Wuk Lamat as a character for the first half. But she takes far too much attention away from everything else. Zoraal Ja is a weak, underdeveloped antagonist.
The most interesting part of the expansion is Sphene and the Endless, but those aren't introduced until the last quarter of the expansion, so they don't get the screentime they deserve.
Even as an optimistic person I think Wuk's journey should've had more strife/difficulties. We had an entire patch storyline about how Alphinaud's optimistic dream of the Crystal Braves was usurped and taken over by insidious elements, it was a surprisingly realistic event that he learned and grew from.
Wuk should've had similar issues, which would also give Alphinaud a role in her journey by teaching her what he's learned. Alisae should also teach her not to rush into things or act without thinking. These characters are with us the entire journey but barely get a role because the writers never bothered to think of what they should do besides be there for the sake of being there.
@@RSATT01 I'll never get the complaints about Wuk Lamat, We finally get a character that isnt melodramatic and is more subtle with her developement in the sense that shes always had the makings of a leader but just doesnt realise the value of her inherent traits and people want to take that and shove it into this generic shonen protagonist archetype of "I need to suffer to grow as a person"
@@Ivan-co7iz sorry you had to learn this so late but dawntrail is literally Wuk Lamats story and we're just along for th3 ride. Sorta baffles me that even after 10 years of being the main character people still cant get enough of the spotlight and let the writers mix things up. And the english voicework in ffxiv has always been really weak, Yshtola and Estinien barely ever talk outside of a moody grovel and every other scion never expresses emotion two degrees outside of miffed or content
It may be a little corny but I still thoroughly enjoyed it, ty for upload
I always wondered why this sounded familiar. Because the singer sang the Aquarion anime OPs. I think this song is a disservice to her and it wasn't her singing that messed it up but whoever produced this.
Oban Star-Racers, Aquarion, Amagi Brilliant Park (a KyoAni series), Izetta: The Last Witch, Kantai Collection, The 8th Son?, The Ancient Magus Bride, Active Raid, Seiyu's Life, and then her first song for FFXIV being Scream for Pandaemonium
This song really encapsulated Dawntrail's vibe and i love it
I don't like some of MSQ, but I love this song. People call it 'disney musical' ,but that's why it's fun ?
Unless you don't like Disney or it's musicals of course, #1 hater of such right here. That being said though, the choir section of this song is amazing and I love it. The rest of it is not for me though
that's literally the words I used to describe it, but I was the only one I saw to use them in a good way!
Most people probably don't like it because it just didn't land that well in context.
Anyway even if it's a fun/not terrible song when you compare it to all of the other big cumulutive vocal tracks it just doesn't really stand up.
The disney musicals thing speaks to the cultural power of disney and probably where many people first hear this kind of composition. For me, it reminded me more of 80s pop from artists like Michael Jackson or Celine Dion
it was also supposed to be our vacation arc, the beginning of a new story in the tale of the star, it's supposed to be happier than shadowbringers and endwalker.
and tbf, tullyollal IS the pride rock of the new world
I'll never understand some of these comments who don't just simply dislike the music that may not be their taste, but rather actively hate on one. Is it even that bad? I thought it was a pretty good music that was rather new as well when I first heard it, and that went same for my friends' group.
And mind this, it's not like me and my friends who pushed through DT MSQ intend to whiteknight the entire expansion. We fckin DESPISED of how abrupt and inconceivable some characters' story developments turned out to be.
the same tune, with different instruments are the themes of both solution 9, and tulilolyol city
the song in its entirety (instrument wise) is fine
it is the version and section that they chose to start on for the scenes in the MSQ that is disliked.
furthermore the lyrics themselves contain elements that narratively are alexandria specific: surving the lightning that reduces all to ash; so the lyric version being played before first arrival of MC to solution 9 is not really fitting
for the jarring scenes where smile plays it wouldve been better to not use the lyrics and then save the completed song to be first heard post the lvl 100 trial.
You dont understand how people can have different opinions? Lol
Y'all are abjectly joyless. I think I've come to realize Dawntrail is a PERFECT litmus test for when a person says "cringe is dead". Like do you believe that? Or do you just wanna echo what other folks are saying. Because there's another word for "cringe", and it's "earnest". It's tender, it's soft, it's heartfelt, and it's unashamed. This is a simple story about being happy, and what it takes to keep hold of that happiness, and what you have to do to give it to others. I'm not even conceding the tired fence sitter "well, its got SOME problems..." bullshit, I did that for 5 years with Xenoblade 2 and the conversation went nowhere. Get some god damn whimsy in your life then come back to the MSQ in November, and if you still can't smile, zip your lip and go play fuckin Modern Warfare or something.
I feel like the world has been getting joyless since around 2014 and especially starting when the pandemic came along, regardless of whether it's been online or in the real world. Tough recent times has had everyone on edge, and the world seems to be teetering on the brink of collapse. Food is expensive, rent is unaffordable, hatred, war, and violence is on the rise... I think that's why everyone's been joyless lately and expansions like this seem unbelievable. Hell, it's hard to say people would come together like they did in Shadowbringers after what we saw during the pandemic.
no we have standards, we like quality music not this glee slop
@@Silverman216 You are a tar pit
i can only think of hercules and the jar ladies singing in ffxiv
@hungrychad Some lyric suggestions: 0:38 "Try to tame the agony" 0:45 "Look around and find I'm standing all alone" 0:55 "I don't know why I thought I'd make it by myself" 1:23 "Never losing sight of every where I've been"
1:39 "Our Ancient chorus sounds beyond the plains"
2:02 "We walk a never-ending trail/We'll know but we shall never fail"
Beyond the first chorus my audio processing issues make it hard to separate the overlapping voices, so I think you did a fantastic job with that... 😊
been a while since i've seen such an utterly miserable comment section on here and that's saying something. anyways banger
I think it's saying "Life's a fantasy" not "Not a fantasy"
I mean, It's a fine song in full. but I will still say it was pretty poorley used in game
probably my second favourite ending song, flow is no°1
Using this song for the train montage was hilariously tone deaf. The one time it felt appropriate was the part where Wuk Lamat and Koana become the Vows. That felt pitch perfect for it. The reason why I felt it was really bad for the credits is because there's nothing to distract you from the vocals. And that's not on the singer. She did a great job and did the best she could.
It's probably the only time I'll say that Soken didn't do a good job. Prior to "Smile" I would have said his worst song in ffxiv was a solid 6/10 still. Smile though is more like a 3/10. It needed more time.
The voice/sound work in DT was really off in general though.
One of the few things I enjoyed in Dawntrail
Yikes, much suck having a horrid opinion of things. Bet you make everyone around you happy
For years, from the final story trial in Shadowbringers, I've bid people newly experiencing the story a certain wish.
Smile, because tomorrow is going to be a beautiful day. The rains will pass. This song feels very special to me, because of course I take my wish from the story itself...From what was bid the characters themselves. Remember, walk forward to the next day. Now it's all come back on me, on all of us. There may be a lot of negativity...But I don't agree with it. I'm so glad we got Dawntrail and I look forward to the new places we go from here...One day at a time.
The song itself is good but poorly execute in cutscene, especially building the train scene. Imagine play this song while you build the train to its oblivion.
Honestly its a really good song its just doesn't fit the theme.
2:34 my fav part of the song tho
You apparently do not understand themes lmao
@@YouInsolentFool I mean its a good song, it just sounds like its from a musical rather than ffxiv
Wtf were they thinking lol
It's very good.
Honestly, this song sums up this expansion because this after Endwalker has been a nice change and distraction from all the depression of war everywhere. Now I gotta wonder what the next part of the expansion will bring. Hopefully Tural joins up with the Eorzean alliance and opens its ports to more people.
It sums up the expansion because the singers voice sounds like a man pretending to be a woman
@@1lapmagichow exhausting a life you must live
@@mercifulpancake5669 passive feminine reddit insults don't get to me, sorry. Maybe bust out a marvel quip.
@@1lapmagic The person you're hating isn't even the singer. How does it feel to have the same IQ as the temperature for dried ice?
god this song is so nice. people who say it doesnt fit need to lighten up, and also remember that they're playing a Final Fantasy game
edit: since i keep seeing this; no, you not liking a genre of music doesn't make it objectively bad and a "mistake."
The first time I agree. The second time felt very abrupt.
Yeah, we remember that it's a Final Fantasy game, that's why it feels even worse.
@@pryanik1337 ?? this is the RPG franchise about love and joy and hope
@@bakubread9308 and this song doesn't meet quality standards.
@@pryanik1337 dude i think you just dont like musicals
Ff players when the disney themed song sounds like disney: angry
A great song, I love it, but oh my god was it utilized horribly compared to Flow, Dragonsong and Tomorrow and Tomorrow(Revolutions was just never used except in the credits of StB lol)
Would've been nice if it was instrumental for the moments for the moments it played before the end of the MSQ, or maybe have it progress throughout the expansion as we go through each positive moment and the whole thing being played for the entirety of the ending cutscenes, just to reinforce the very positive aspect while still giving it a build up that feels right(without shoehorning it everywhere though I'd hate it lol).
I mean, a musical-style song perfectly fits this game, but it really needs that build up and a slow burn to make it feel like it fits properly, unlike in _that cutscene_ .
Considering what it references? It did come in a little too early imo. It's an amazing song, I love it, but it was early.
Who are all these people who are calling this "a great song". Have you ever listened to real non video game music? The singer is completely off key, the lyrics are nonsense, the rhythm and melody are nonexistent, and the attempts to layer different sounds completely failed. Do you want me to introduce you to some good songs? For comparison? I'm not being hateful, I'm just confused how anyone could think this song is good in any way.
@@1lapmagic I can introduce you to some good music, but you probably wouldn't think it was good.
It's very different than anything that FFXIV has used before, that's for sure, but it's still good music.
No, the issue is I think that FFXIV has gotten used to using the theme of the expansion pretty readily and Smile just doesn't work for that. It's a fantastic celebration song, but Dawntrail's leitmotif in general isn't good for more tragic scenes, and Smile has a very narrow use case.
@@CrystalBearer20 you're welcome to try though I listen to more different music than anyone I've ever met or heard of so you probably can't introduce me to anything :)
@@1lapmagic I'm a musician.
Love it
@2:32 to @3:12 the only good part.
Glee ass sounding track, belongs in the bin
the only thing wrong about this song is the placement
Man how the whole damn soundtrack made me cry?
0 emotional self-regulation owing to autism spectrum disorder
Fun song.
Kuvalis Overpass
When it came up in context, it 100% felt like that scene in 2000s anime where they give you an insert song to build up the climax.
92874 Armstrong Plain
"Pain and loss you needn't bear" is what I hear at about 0:54
It’s giving Sing a Song from the Carpenters vibe. I Love Musicals, from Phantom to Wicked but I have no idea what they’ve done, it’s out of character for FFXIV. It poorly fit the end credits and the vocalist… Zodiark have mercy.
I get Lion King type feels hearing this lol
You all would like this song so much more if it wasnt for the breathy completely goofy whiny vowel pronounciation. Like, all the gospel stuff is pretty dope and new to the game. Just also, jesus christ what is that vocalist doing in the beginning? Like what the actual fuck.
chill out
@@lemontonk thank you. For your thrilling tone policing of a genuine point because strong words scare you? I guess? 🫠
Too many players gaslit themselves into thinking hope and optimism are cringe.. in FFXIV of all games. Thanks for your work as always Hungrychad.
Imagine going through a game where your own character, and most of the story, is about hope and optimism, and still finding it cringe. This has to be the same WoLs that abandon Alexander raids after one wipe.
Just because a song is about hope or optimism does not make it automatically good, or immune to criticism.
Hope and optimism are great when they shine in spite of adversity. FF XIV understood this very well, especially in Shadowbringers. The issue Dawntrail has is that it doesn't have it. Not even the villains are capable of argue against Wuk Lamat, despite having reasons to.
Compare this to "The Measure of His Reach" in Stormblood, a song that was the culmination of a long and hard campaign of liberation, which was a very appropiate theme. This theme coming in Wuk Lamat's coronation, after what pretty much was a tour around the country that did nothing but ensure that any obstacle between her and what she wanted would be systematically removed for her, removes the sense of triumph that would come from it. Any potential conflict was dumbed down or swept under the rug. A song of triumph without conflict is just a Disney song in a JRPG, and that's cringe.
@@shawnscouten5184 I mean it is good, and it's not like the people criticizing it aren't the vocal majority on UA-cam, so its critics certainly aren't being oppressed.
lmao.
That is all.
This song was played when they were making a bomb train, the Japanese won't like this.
I definitely think this suffers from the problem a lot of non-native english speakers have when writing in English, the more words per minute you try to fit it in the less you can *do* with the song overall. I feel like it needs maybe between 3 to 6 less words a verse to really let the voices AND the score shine.
The most ass song that ever came out of this game, and it didn’t help that they played it while we were building a fucking BOMB. Just a complete L from start to finish 😭💀
It’s so strange because the rest of Dawntrail’s ost’s are FIRE
straight out of a Christian youth group service
This song is just really not helped by the first two times you hear it in-game. It's quite nice tbh, having a chorus song in an expansion about multiculturalism is fitting. But these first two times are so jarring it's so weird.
Makes me love Flow even more
This song was straight out of a musical and gave me tonal whiplash. It felt immensely unearned along with most of the plot and writing. Everything about the expansion was great, except the writing, imo.
Unearned??? What the heck was unearned about the plot lmfao
You can just tell this person skimmed all dialogue unless it had VA'ing
Ye know, the more I listen to it, the more I gotta agree it is GOOD. I think the main reasons so many people (me included) tend to complain is because of that terrible use in Shaaloani and having a major Song that in parts sounds like it belongs in an older Disney Movie drills Wuk Lamats constant "I love peace, I love happiness" even harder and boy did I have a headache from it already
The more you listen the more you lie to yourself
Yea its a great ending song.... Just throws you through a loop of... an upbeat song... To making a mobile bomb. But the actual lyrics... It makes sense, since its sung from the point of Wuk Lamat. From the beginning of her journey of being unsure of herself, then losing her father and confronting what came after. The chorus being the companions and people she met and won over supporting her. They are overwhelming her voice as she looks around to realize she isn't alone, and that she doesn't need to carry the burden alone. The last bit being a conversation between Wuk Lamat and the Chorus which I can see her singing with a smile. At least this is my opinion anyway
I didn't particularly like the song when i first heard it but coming back to it after a month...you all are whiney, this song is just fine lol
As many times I hear this, This song should be the intro one in the transition from post-EW into dawntrail while the primals one should be the ending.
Luckily during the second half I skipped a lot of cutscenes so I did not see the train bomb thing, but listening to it by itself I think it's not bad. It's very fitting with the second half of the game.
Not a fan! Sounds like something in a Disney film, now Arcadia had some amazing tracks.