I imagine in the future a dealership will have 2 or 3 of these printers on the lot. You walk in and test drive a model you like, choose all the customizations you like and the dealership prints up your car and in a week it is ready to pick up. Local body shops could do the special paint jobs and their service department could bolt together all the attached hardware. It would be a huge boom to local economies by outsourcing work locally. You could even design your own body if the dealership told you the mount points needed. Of course we'd have to do away with a lot of the crash test laws. If a person can ride a motorcycle and take responsibility for their own vulnerability then why not cars?
@@WillieStubbs and I'm sure you're popular at the ladies with your manchild way of thinking and daydreaming. This could go on forever so stop it now! You were talking about a world where coach builders make cars individually for customers. At a large scale, which is not possible in today's economy. It doesn't matter if it is the magical 3d printing, it is just a tool. You were talking about making cars custom, one by one basicly. The way you propose, makes production of cars impossible to do on production lines, quality control difficult, crash testing would be necessary for each and every design, which defeats the purpose and the whole car would be more expensive than what it costs nowadays with magnitudes less features, performance, reliability and safety. Not to mention, someone would have to pay for all that design work that goes into custom body and interior parts. That's why you don't see printed parts deployed in any major brands. Because customization doesn't worth the expenses for the average customer which accounts for the majority. 3d printing is expensive, slow and rough. Cannot compete with tools for mass production. The expenses are way out of proportion of the benefits. If you take out the mayor customization options and just talk about optional colours and features, then you're talking about cars that can be mass produced with the highest efficiency possible, on large scale, fast, and for cheap. Engineers can take their time, perfecting that one design and the cost of that gets negligeble per car sold. That's because they are all the same. You can see cars now that have all the features built in the hardware but features turned off by software. That's how efficient and integrated car production already is. It is just easier to mass produce the same part and confige it for the customer by a few clicks. Major brands have large factories where every job is standardized, timed, organized into a system which works together and is quality controlled throughout the process. Distributed production, with the involvement of small local companies?how could you organize them into a system with no delays or worse problems? That's not even funny, that's stupid.
@@WillieStubbs if you are talking about just some custom body panels, thats still unfeasible. I know because I just did that. I did print full size models of bumpers, sideskirts, fenders. For mould making and small volume production using fibre reinforced plastic. Took me a month of continuous very fast printing. I did it with a fine layer height so I don't have to fill and sand as much later on. Still it took two of us a week of filling and sanding the parts until they were ready for the mould making process. After the moulds are done, it takes about 2 hours to make a new bumper out of frp, with industrial injection moulding, it takes like 2 minutes. The parts were printed with 0.28mm high layers, not with like 5mm high layers you see on the cobra. Imagine how much effort it is to smooth out that 5mm stepping. Just ridiculous on every level
I feel like the body work has little application in the near future but I could see the energy absorption and mold manufacturing having a place in future cars.
Samy Kamkar. Not a problem. I’ve just done a print 1.2 metre long on my Flashforge Dreamer. ( so the longest piece is 200mm long). All you have to do is design it with tenon joints to mate it all together. Make the layers 5 on all services then you can sand it with no problem. If the Chinese can print a house you can print a car. Go for it.
You could build a printer of the right size by scaling the planes of the prusa i3, the problem would be to figure out how to build an extruder of that size.
Yeah. It's the first time I actually hear honesty about 3D printing technology and he explained it clearly. It's not intended for actual mass production of a product...yet. It's value is in rapid development of prototypes to test form and function. That's where 3D printing is revolutionary.
Highly unlikely =/= impossible. And even then, his choice of words is important here. 3d printing isn't intended for mass production (although it does let you re-tool factories much faster). It's intended for mass customization. If the price of a printer like this could be reduced (and that could happen easily over the next couple decades), then car dealerships may start to be replaced by custom car shops akin to Local Motors (who claim they will sell a line of 3d printed cars next year), except you could go in and ask for a car of completely custom design, or maybe even a replica...? Would be awesome. In most cases of technology, the early versions look nothing like the more advanced versions. We're closer to the more advanced versions than we used to be, but we're still very much in the early days. Does a Newcomen Steam engine look like a steam turbine? No. Does the Wright Flyer look like a 787? No. Does the Patent Motorwagen look like a Ferrari? No. Does ENIAC look like the device you used to post that comment? No. Technology changes over time. And it can change quite rapidly. Of course, the "revolution"(more like evolution) will take time. But that's always been the case with technology. The Industrial Revolution lasted a century. The agricultural revolution lasted a thousand years. This revolution will likely last many decades, with repercussions echoing far into the future. Even if it does take a long time to happen, our lives will certainly be lengthened by other technology, as well. And this is, from my point of view, a very conservative view of how 3d printing will change the industry. When you think about it, this has similarities to ENIAC. It was a government project that accomplished quite a bit, but it was surpassed by superior technology pretty fast. Technological advancement is inevitable. The real question is the rate at which it occurs...
Good points. I just attended a seminar that put it into better perspective. 3D printing has been a catch all for a number of technologies. As James Crud pointed out, it's already a rapid prototyping game changer. For medical implants, it's about to take off. For making tooling...well the machines are out there but another few years. However, there are a number of other steps on the path to mass production that need to speed up. Tooling, like you mentioned. And what about testing and consumer safety? You can't have just anybody 'design' a car and have it printed,
For the past 30 years Additive Manufacturing have been primarily used for research purposes.either making prototypes or extremely highly complex parts which would not otherwise be possible if using traditional deductive manufacturing. For the past 10 years, 3D printing have been focusing towards hobbyists and even large scale prints which spring out new ideas & materials, but the current major limiting factors are the 3d machines themselves such as print speed. e.g. it takes 'seconds' to make dozens of parts from injection molding while it takes 'hours' to make a single unconditioned part from a 3D printer. 3D printer need to be researched to make mass production a possibility or else we will probably only see rapid tooling (wear down quicker) and high finished large scale prototypes, because most 3d printers today uses non engineering materials (due to layering). If someone could demonstrate a functional engine block perhaps using additive (& deductive) techniques, then I would be impressed. As it would widen the floodgate to a whole new level.
The boss of the car that they made doesn't serve the purpose of protecting the car, it's for asthetic, the frame inside, decides the strength of the car
Your statement at the end,' we could see it replace clay modelling' wont happen, because with clay modelling you can tweak the lines, make small changes etc before the vehicle gets scanned into CAD. You can't do that if the whole things make out of plastic.
From this video it is not quite clear what parts were printed and what parts are used from traditional manufacturing. I imagine all glass parts are not printed? Chrome metal not printed? Wires not printed? Wheels not printed? Engine? Seats? Is the body and frame are the only two printed parts?
Hi Christopher, the 3D printer used is called the Big Area Additive Manufacturing (BAAM) machine built by Cincinnati Incorporated, you can see more information here: www.e-ci.com/baam
+Greg D Greg, you can find all of our publications at web.ornl.gov/sci/manufacturing/publications/, we will have more in-depth publications about Big Area Additive Manufacturing coming soon!
You can make a car in origami or in papier-mache really.. is this 3D printing show just to demonstrate you can push a print button? or is it production ready and road ready?
+Mathieu Fregeau it's really about rapid prototyping, the Cobra acts as a laboratory on wheels, so our researchers can easily and quickly test ideas and make immediate adjustments
+Bad Beard Bill Bullshit. They 3D printed the frame to show that it can be done...then they bolted a bunch of standard shit to it. It would have been less expensive and less time consuming just to buy a cheap steel frame. You can't drive that thing. That plastic WILL eventually crack and fail horribly. This was nothing more than marketing hype to bring attention to the company.
That was my point exactly! Whenever I see "3D printing of a car works!" I see the word "printing" as very bold. It's the printing that works, not the car :) I'd eat 3D printed chocolate, but not driving a 3D printed car..
+SmoKingPackRaT estimated at 1400lbs with 500lbs of 3d printed parts containing 20% carbon fiber. You can find out more at web.ornl.gov/sci/manufacturing/shelby/
Is there a reason that you aren't combining airless tire technology with such an innovative manufacturing process? I'm guessing you wanted to stay true to the model you printed. If that's the case, how long before someone puts together a new design for both vehicle and tires?
Hi Irakli, you can contact Cincinnati Incorporated, they produce the Big Area Additive Manufacturing, or "BAAM" machine commercially-www.e-ci.com/baam/
With some streamlining, you could probably get that cost down. This was an experiment more than it was entreneurship. That cost could be brought down to 80k after a lot of time and units made.
I said this is the future. It is. We'll all have printers, and we'll have to pay for everything to be printed like we do with the phone game apps. lol You pay while you play.
Electric cobra? that feels wrong. The iconic thing about the cobra is roaring classic V8. Using electric is like having Justin Bieber be the singer for ACDC.
I wonder if you are drastically ejected off your seats in case of crash (as in, seat belts pulling off from their sockets). Or does the engine bay collapse completely making you a big mashed potato from crashing at 5mph into a wall?
So basically you have made the worst car ever created with the highest cost to produce it. Exactly the opposite of what real car manufactures want. So no I don't think people will be printing cars in the future. There are experts for a reason.
But they could've printed any car they wanted. And experiments usually are expensive. In fact, the actual printing was likely the cheapest part (ignoring the cost of the huge printer, which already existed). Custom cars are inherently expensive right now. The real advantage was the speed. Just six weeks to build a car. And that can be reduced down to four with some effort.
Point was that shelby cobra was made using english wheel that takes huge amount of time and more over skill to create these body panels. They manage to create it in fraction of the time and cost, not to mention those now can be used to create carbon fiber copys as actual body panels.
So where is this today as far as safety tests? Id like to know about how its in those energy absorbing crash structures
I imagine in the future a dealership will have 2 or 3 of these printers on the lot. You walk in and test drive a model you like, choose all the customizations you like and the dealership prints up your car and in a week it is ready to pick up. Local body shops could do the special paint jobs and their service department could bolt together all the attached hardware. It would be a huge boom to local economies by outsourcing work locally. You could even design your own body if the dealership told you the mount points needed. Of course we'd have to do away with a lot of the crash test laws. If a person can ride a motorcycle and take responsibility for their own vulnerability then why not cars?
You are absolutely out of touch with reality.
@@modception and I'm sure your bitterness makes your mother so proud
@@WillieStubbs and I'm sure you're popular at the ladies with your manchild way of thinking and daydreaming. This could go on forever so stop it now!
You were talking about a world where coach builders make cars individually for customers. At a large scale, which is not possible in today's economy. It doesn't matter if it is the magical 3d printing, it is just a tool. You were talking about making cars custom, one by one basicly. The way you propose, makes production of cars impossible to do on production lines, quality control difficult, crash testing would be necessary for each and every design, which defeats the purpose and the whole car would be more expensive than what it costs nowadays with magnitudes less features, performance, reliability and safety. Not to mention, someone would have to pay for all that design work that goes into custom body and interior parts. That's why you don't see printed parts deployed in any major brands. Because customization doesn't worth the expenses for the average customer which accounts for the majority. 3d printing is expensive, slow and rough. Cannot compete with tools for mass production.
The expenses are way out of proportion of the benefits. If you take out the mayor customization options and just talk about optional colours and features, then you're talking about cars that can be mass produced with the highest efficiency possible, on large scale, fast, and for cheap. Engineers can take their time, perfecting that one design and the cost of that gets negligeble per car sold. That's because they are all the same. You can see cars now that have all the features built in the hardware but features turned off by software. That's how efficient and integrated car production already is. It is just easier to mass produce the same part and confige it for the customer by a few clicks.
Major brands have large factories where every job is standardized, timed, organized into a system which works together and is quality controlled throughout the process.
Distributed production, with the involvement of small local companies?how could you organize them into a system with no delays or worse problems? That's not even funny, that's stupid.
@@WillieStubbs if you are talking about just some custom body panels, thats still unfeasible. I know because I just did that. I did print full size models of bumpers, sideskirts, fenders. For mould making and small volume production using fibre reinforced plastic. Took me a month of continuous very fast printing. I did it with a fine layer height so I don't have to fill and sand as much later on. Still it took two of us a week of filling and sanding the parts until they were ready for the mould making process. After the moulds are done, it takes about 2 hours to make a new bumper out of frp, with industrial injection moulding, it takes like 2 minutes.
The parts were printed with 0.28mm high layers, not with like 5mm high layers you see on the cobra. Imagine how much effort it is to smooth out that 5mm stepping. Just ridiculous on every level
I think the mold is the more game changing aspect, at least for now. Being able to re-tool a factory in a matter of weeks is amazing.
Carroll Shelby is smilin down from Heaven above.
Only if he got some money for it.
I feel like the body work has little application in the near future but I could see the energy absorption and mold manufacturing having a place in future cars.
We will soon see PSA that says "YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR !?"
+Tabarnacos2 Don't copy that floppy!
As usual you are doing great work for American Manufacturing. Thank you.
My Ultimaker keeps failing to print this, something about bed size too small :(
Samy Kamkar. Not a problem. I’ve just done a print 1.2 metre long on my Flashforge Dreamer. ( so the longest piece is 200mm long). All you have to do is design it with tenon joints to mate it all together. Make the layers 5 on all services then you can sand it with no problem.
If the Chinese can print a house you can print a car. Go for it.
You could build a printer of the right size by scaling the planes of the prusa i3, the problem would be to figure out how to build an extruder of that size.
Whoa, guy from This Old House has a cool side job!!
He says it all at 3:25. "Highly unlikely in my lifetime that we'll see the mass production of printed vehicles."
Yeah. It's the first time I actually hear honesty about 3D printing technology and he explained it clearly. It's not intended for actual mass production of a product...yet. It's value is in rapid development of prototypes to test form and function. That's where 3D printing is revolutionary.
Highly unlikely =/= impossible.
And even then, his choice of words is important here. 3d printing isn't intended for mass production (although it does let you re-tool factories much faster). It's intended for mass customization. If the price of a printer like this could be reduced (and that could happen easily over the next couple decades), then car dealerships may start to be replaced by custom car shops akin to Local Motors (who claim they will sell a line of 3d printed cars next year), except you could go in and ask for a car of completely custom design, or maybe even a replica...? Would be awesome.
In most cases of technology, the early versions look nothing like the more advanced versions. We're closer to the more advanced versions than we used to be, but we're still very much in the early days. Does a Newcomen Steam engine look like a steam turbine? No. Does the Wright Flyer look like a 787? No. Does the Patent Motorwagen look like a Ferrari? No. Does ENIAC look like the device you used to post that comment? No. Technology changes over time. And it can change quite rapidly. Of course, the "revolution"(more like evolution) will take time. But that's always been the case with technology. The Industrial Revolution lasted a century. The agricultural revolution lasted a thousand years. This revolution will likely last many decades, with repercussions echoing far into the future.
Even if it does take a long time to happen, our lives will certainly be lengthened by other technology, as well.
And this is, from my point of view, a very conservative view of how 3d printing will change the industry. When you think about it, this has similarities to ENIAC. It was a government project that accomplished quite a bit, but it was surpassed by superior technology pretty fast. Technological advancement is inevitable. The real question is the rate at which it occurs...
Good points. I just attended a seminar that put it into better perspective. 3D printing has been a catch all for a number of technologies. As James Crud pointed out, it's already a rapid prototyping game changer. For medical implants, it's about to take off. For making tooling...well the machines are out there but another few years.
However, there are a number of other steps on the path to mass production that need to speed up. Tooling, like you mentioned. And what about testing and consumer safety? You can't have just anybody 'design' a car and have it printed,
breathtaking..
So are you vasha :*
hey if it means I can get a 3D printed cobra, I'm fine with this
How much is estimated to manufacture from scratch to finish such a project (Cobra)
Seen the Car irl , its awesome!
For the past 30 years Additive Manufacturing have been primarily used for research purposes.either making prototypes or extremely highly complex parts which would not otherwise be possible if using traditional deductive manufacturing.
For the past 10 years, 3D printing have been focusing towards hobbyists and even large scale prints which spring out new ideas & materials, but the current major limiting factors are the 3d machines themselves such as print speed. e.g. it takes 'seconds' to make dozens of parts from injection molding while it takes 'hours' to make a single unconditioned part from a 3D printer.
3D printer need to be researched to make mass production a possibility or else we will probably only see rapid tooling (wear down quicker) and high finished large scale prototypes, because most 3d printers today uses non engineering materials (due to layering).
If someone could demonstrate a functional engine block perhaps using additive (& deductive) techniques, then I would be impressed. As it would widen the floodgate to a whole new level.
And now it's time for crash test
GURken It actually might do quite well. It is much more lighter.
+GURken Use a clay extruder and then pass hemp through it. 5x stronger than steel.
+GURken I was wondering the same thing, I wonder how ABS plastic handles a crash, would it shatter or just deform?
ArcadeGames I'm sure the ABS could be modified to have certain weak points to make it break in certain way that could be controlled.
The boss of the car that they made doesn't serve the purpose of protecting the car, it's for asthetic, the frame inside, decides the strength of the car
Your statement at the end,' we could see it replace clay modelling' wont happen, because with clay modelling you can tweak the lines, make small changes etc before the vehicle gets scanned into CAD. You can't do that if the whole things make out of plastic.
This will be the future
The Shelby Cobra is probably the most beautiful car ever made.
Or does anyone know something better? Please tell me!
Hey Mazda, see this? Now, get back to work on that Furai and make sure to build more than one!
RandomDevil1 Dude, exactly. God I hope Mazda builds another one. That car is in my top 3 best looking cars ever made.
Excellent information 👍😎🌏🇦🇺🆒
Is this meant 4 wheel drive, and tub out rear wheel frame can be achieve with 3D printer capabilities for AC Cobra in the future?
From this video it is not quite clear what parts were printed and what parts are used from traditional manufacturing. I imagine all glass parts are not printed? Chrome metal not printed? Wires not printed? Wheels not printed? Engine? Seats?
Is the body and frame are the only two printed parts?
I would say only the body was printed.
You can also print with metal, you only need a suitable extruder, you have already made prints with metal.
This is like a precursor technology of star trek replication technology,but next printer will create quantumly with Ai it will be like magic!
What's the crash test like? Does it passes all requirements in case of crash and other failures?
awesome!
Is this the Future of Kit Cars? Just asking! God Bless!
So is that a 3D printed AC Cobra that can actually drive? I wouldn't want to be involved in a crash in it, but it's still impressive.
you just build molds off it
Is there stls available?
Do you have the STL files scaled down to print this car on a desktop 3D printer?
+Jon Car Hi Jon, unfortunately we don't, but you might be able to find it at grabcad.com
What was the 3D printer that was used to make the main part of the car? The one extruding the black material.
Hi Christopher, the 3D printer used is called the Big Area Additive Manufacturing (BAAM) machine built by Cincinnati Incorporated, you can see more information here: www.e-ci.com/baam
+Innovations in Manufacturing at Oak Ridge National Laboratory have you guys published your process?
+Greg D Greg, you can find all of our publications at web.ornl.gov/sci/manufacturing/publications/, we will have more in-depth publications about Big Area Additive Manufacturing coming soon!
I think the way of the future of cars will be in selecting your car and it's look at the dealership.
THANK SIRS, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Doesn’t the solvent in the paint spray effect the 3D printed material?
No if you put on first sealer that does not effect plastics ie plastic primer, then normal primer and finally the paint it self.
The distorted audio on this video is embarrassing!!! I can't hardly listen to it!!!
Wow those tires don't even look like they were printed. I'm sure the 3D printed rubbers are going to get through the loop hole sooner or later.
You can make a car in origami or in papier-mache really.. is this 3D printing show just to demonstrate you can push a print button? or is it production ready and road ready?
+Mathieu Fregeau it's really about rapid prototyping, the Cobra acts as a laboratory on wheels, so our researchers can easily and quickly test ideas and make immediate adjustments
The point is that they got a functional car much quicker than conventional means could accomplish.
+Bad Beard Bill Bullshit. They 3D printed the frame to show that it can be done...then they bolted a bunch of standard shit to it. It would have been less expensive and less time consuming just to buy a cheap steel frame.
You can't drive that thing. That plastic WILL eventually crack and fail horribly.
This was nothing more than marketing hype to bring attention to the company.
That was my point exactly! Whenever I see "3D printing of a car works!" I see the word "printing" as very bold. It's the printing that works, not the car :) I'd eat 3D printed chocolate, but not driving a 3D printed car..
What is he saying, society is heading this way with these technologies, this is a wet dream technology 😂😂😂😂😂
what's the weight of the printed Shelby, is it lighter then original?
+SmoKingPackRaT estimated at 1400lbs with 500lbs of 3d printed parts containing 20% carbon fiber. You can find out more at web.ornl.gov/sci/manufacturing/shelby/
*than
Question is, can it go 150 MPH?
Awsome✌️
Is there a reason that you aren't combining airless tire technology with such an innovative manufacturing process? I'm guessing you wanted to stay true to the model you printed. If that's the case, how long before someone puts together a new design for both vehicle and tires?
if i want to bay this 3d printer where can i?
Hi Irakli, you can contact Cincinnati Incorporated, they produce the Big Area Additive Manufacturing, or "BAAM" machine commercially-www.e-ci.com/baam/
What is the performance and range of this car?
How much did this cost to do?
My guess is $110k. Over 1400 engineering hours ($86k), All non-body parts ($20k), extensive body smoothing and paint shop ($5k).
Yikes
With some streamlining, you could probably get that cost down. This was an experiment more than it was entreneurship. That cost could be brought down to 80k after a lot of time and units made.
I wonder if they used krylon fusion.
Well... We'll never see such a beautiful future here in our Russia... So sad...
Wing Fury why not?! It's not something fancy
Очень круто !
How would I go about getting a Custom 1969 Charger Daytona nose cone for my 2011 Charger?
+Shain Campbell Hey Shain, check out www.shapeways.com, they 3D print custom parts.
I didn't know begin a "real" car was based on materials used to build said car. So my guns aren't real they're pretend lol
YoU wOuLdN't DoWnLoAd A cAr WoUlD yOu?
Can I actually get the STL for the body so I can print a 1:18 scale Cobra for my dad? 😂
I said this is the future. It is. We'll all have printers, and we'll have to pay for everything to be printed like we do with the phone game apps. lol You pay while you play.
What does the crash testing look like?
Electric cobra? that feels wrong. The iconic thing about the cobra is roaring classic V8. Using electric is like having Justin Bieber be the singer for ACDC.
Factory workers, say good bye
toy car for the future?
I wonder if you are drastically ejected off your seats in case of crash (as in, seat belts pulling off from their sockets). Or does the engine bay collapse completely making you a big mashed potato from crashing at 5mph into a wall?
So basically you have made the worst car ever created with the highest cost to produce it. Exactly the opposite of what real car manufactures want.
So no I don't think people will be printing cars in the future. There are experts for a reason.
But they could've printed any car they wanted. And experiments usually are expensive. In fact, the actual printing was likely the cheapest part (ignoring the cost of the huge printer, which already existed). Custom cars are inherently expensive right now. The real advantage was the speed. Just six weeks to build a car. And that can be reduced down to four with some effort.
Point was that shelby cobra was made using english wheel that takes huge amount of time and more over skill to create these body panels. They manage to create it in fraction of the time and cost, not to mention those now can be used to create carbon fiber copys as actual body panels.
@brianredban @joeroganexperiance
How is this being applied in the real world now after 9 years? This was our tax dollars at work, correct?
Stop wasting my tax dollars on toys.