Installing Waves X-WSG SoundGrid X32 Expansion Card

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  • @salmonella4u
    @salmonella4u 5 років тому +4

    Drew, you are a true man of God! Only a man of God could make this process so much more clearer on all that is the X32, Waves and more. You helped me set mine up for the first time and this is my first time for all of this sort of thing. I'm a lifelong drummer, but I'm going to do this all by myself(performance wise). Hopefully I can find some reliable, eager people to help me move and set up equipment so I can realize my dream. I know God has a plan for me, but it's been a long road. It also doesn't help when I have to work around severe ADD. It's a nightmare, but I'm determined and I, as well as a lot of other people, know that I am talented enough, where this can work for me. I'll just be using my Korg Kronos, everything here in this video along with the speakers and misc, and my drum kit. I am my own band, so I will be playing, as well as recording the drums to my keyboard work through this system, live and in my little bitty studio. lol. ;)
    Any helpful advice would be welcome. Because at this point, I can't get the right people to help see me through. Those who want to help, can't. Those who CAN help, seem to be out of reach.

  • @kaboozle
    @kaboozle 5 років тому +6

    I thought I was watching a Waves or Behringer official video (that is meant as a compliment). Props to you and your excellent video! Subscribed.

  • @ScottParrWeddings
    @ScottParrWeddings 7 років тому +5

    Drew, your videos are the Best! Just yesterday I installed my X-WSG Card. My timing was almost perfect. Almost. I had some issues that my card 'showed up' on the X32 but there was a red dot on the display telling me there was some issue. I updated the firmware, the card icon disappeared but now it works just great. I am looking forward to your routing videos. I can easily route 32 channels of inputs through MultiRack but I've been trying to route 24 inputs and use the last 8 for the 6 Matrix channels, the M/C channel and the LR. I've tried routing through outputs, aux, all the things I've heard about. No luck. I did practice routing to mix busses yesterday to play with reverbs and delays. I finally figured out that the buss was working but it was channel 25 where the buss was sending the reverb or delay to. The routing gets complicated pretty quick. I love this though. Having a lot of fun with Waves and Soooo glad you will be sharing your knowledge in this! May God Bless you!!!

    • @zavasolutions
      @zavasolutions 7 років тому

      Hey Scott! If you are looking for any more support with your X32 please do not hesitate to send in an email to support@zavasound.com, a ticket will be automatically filed with us! We hope to see you soon!
      ~ ZaVa Sound Support Team

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому

      Thanks so much Scott! I'm happy to help and see so many people jumping on board with this product. I love using Waves plugins on the Avid Venue Profile system, so I was really excited to see Waves come out with an interface with the X32.
      As far as your question, I will be making a bunch of videos on the different routing options that we have available to us with the X32/M32. I will make sure to cover this type of setup specifically for you too. Thanks!

    • @victortavarez11
      @victortavarez11 7 років тому

      ScottParrWeddings hey so did the card bring the sound grid? Because i saw it on sweetwater for 500 but I'm having a hard time believing that the soundgrid possessor comes with the $500

    • @ScottParrWeddings
      @ScottParrWeddings 7 років тому

      The card connects to my Extreme Server and my MacBook Pro running MultiRack. I just used this combination last week for a corporate event in Dallas and it helped my show sound Great!

    • @luckyogoloma3426
      @luckyogoloma3426 Рік тому

      @@DrewBrashlercan eMotion Lv1 work with just USB connection with M32/x32 ?

  • @TheXIT
    @TheXIT 2 роки тому +1

    Hi, I'm interested in in the SoundGrid Expansion for my X32 Rack but am considered that I'm losing the USB port. Would I be able to record and play back with my DAW through the Ethernet connection? Also, I'm considering using AudioFusion for Wireless IEM's which also requires USB audio in. Thanks

  • @TheSebastian27
    @TheSebastian27 5 років тому +6

    Very good video !!!
    I would like to know if you can connect an m32 with multirack waves and record all this at 32 tracks in turn have another console connected x32 to broadcast many?
    Thanks in advance!!!!

  • @andrewooleongwei3543
    @andrewooleongwei3543 4 роки тому +5

    can we use waves without the dsp server??

  • @lydfar2392
    @lydfar2392 4 роки тому +1

    Can you tell me if it's possible to control the e.g. SSL plugin from the X32 channelstrip? It seems like you are using the computer mouse all the time? It would be so much easier and faster not to have to grab the mouse doing a concert. I hope I make sense... 😄

  • @ralphgomez9006
    @ralphgomez9006 3 роки тому +1

    I please have the Behringer X32 Compact. Will this work on it and what are the benefits or advantages. Any ideas from anyone will be appreciated.

  • @wordfellowshipchurch5164
    @wordfellowshipchurch5164 2 роки тому

    Hi! We have the waves card with the x32 and use the plug ins in sound grid on the axis one computer live for church service. Im trying to figure out a way to record to the same axis one computer and virtual soundcheck with this set up.

  • @paulmorrey733
    @paulmorrey733 7 років тому +1

    Great to see you doing more x32 videos Thanks

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому

      Yeah! Made a house move and finally have the video studio back up and running!

  • @dfer513
    @dfer513 6 років тому +6

    Great videos! I do have one question though: with the Impact Server, I assume it's easier to run live plugins alongside multichannel recording. But if I wanted to do this recording, would I have to use a Waves-specific DAW or would any DAW (like Logic, ProTools, etc) recognize the X-WSG connection? What would you recommend to do both at the same time?

  • @Ehabmxd
    @Ehabmxd 4 роки тому +1

    hello friend .. i hear a fan noise when u plugged the server to power there any different server more quite than this ? and can i record live performance all tracks live in cubase ?

  • @jonathan.poulson
    @jonathan.poulson 3 роки тому +1

    Is the impact server needed? Could you use this setup with just your computer and x32?

  • @victortavarez11
    @victortavarez11 4 роки тому +1

    So why buy the waves server and sound card for the x32 why not just run a computer with multirack, or even a daw, what is the benefit of using the sound card and server?

  • @godinezfilmsofficial9570
    @godinezfilmsofficial9570 2 роки тому

    Hey, So what about the new SuperRack, I tried to find the multirack but its discontinued.

  • @djtecthreat
    @djtecthreat 4 роки тому +1

    I dont love the idea of sending channels direct out to WSG. Is it possible to just insert the effects on channels I want?

  • @sesanmondayjohn
    @sesanmondayjohn 2 роки тому

    Please, quick question, if I take my card out to install this WSG card. How will I record my 32 in and out sound to my Cubase. Will that be still possible

  • @daveburgess2126
    @daveburgess2126 3 роки тому

    You need to differentiate between analog stage boxes plugged directly into the desk ( Local input ) and digital stage boxes ( AES input ).

  • @tucansam3523
    @tucansam3523 3 роки тому +1

    We have a ton invested in waves plugins already with our live stream mix.
    The big question I have is how much latency will there be if we are running the channels back into our p16 monitors?
    I tried doing some processing in Ableton and sending that out to the board but there was way to much latency. I am wondering if this will affect our in ear monitoring.

  • @helithumper
    @helithumper 7 років тому +34

    "A Router" points to netgear switch. Not criticizing, just thought it was kinda funny :)

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +6

      HAH! I missed that one in my editing. Ooops! It will be forever on UA-cam as such. But yes, Peyton Duncan, my bad, it is a switch!

  • @donaldrr9richard
    @donaldrr9richard 6 років тому +1

    Thanks for all the info. Question for you. I am using a X32 Rack for In ear mixes. I have the 16 channels on the rack assigned to channels 1 to 16 and 17 to 32 of the console so I can mix FOH without ever changing the ear mixes. If I want to use waves on only channels 17-32 is this possible? So I have for example Kick drum on ch 1 and ch 17. If i want to put lets say H Comp on 17 but not on 1 is this possible?

  • @steven95518
    @steven95518 2 роки тому

    Hi Drew
    Great Video . your video is very help full , i was thinking how can i do with yamaha pm10 rivage and waves extreme sever . hoping if you can help me with this . Thank you for the great video .

  • @abdisoewoto6118
    @abdisoewoto6118 3 роки тому

    Hi Drew, have you try/make videos connecting Yamaha QL to X32 via X32 dante card?

  • @ojonosa1152
    @ojonosa1152 3 роки тому

    Hi please I'm new to x32 and I've been trying to setup effect on my mic, but I've not been able to do so please can I get a step by step procedure to set it up 🙏

  • @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
    @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 4 роки тому +1

    Will it work with Nuendo, or any other "Studio" Production DAW""" No information ANYWHERE stating Yes or No definitively.... and it costs enough to warrant clarity in my opinion. ;-)

  • @soundfreak8892
    @soundfreak8892 3 роки тому

    Noob question I’m new to waves... when you plug in the cat 6 to the computer does it appear on the Mac automatically or do I have to download something on the computer?

  • @Jensfrosig
    @Jensfrosig 3 роки тому

    Can I use the card for my yamaha ls9 16 to recording multitrack in my daw.. maby you can make a movie how to do..

  • @filadelftube
    @filadelftube 7 років тому +3

    I see that the impact server looks like a regular computer. What makes it different from a home build PC?

    • @AllenPendleton
      @AllenPendleton 6 років тому +1

      The proprietary waves software loaded on it. It is just a pc with linux on it running their software. You are basically paying for the proprietary software.

    • @teknikool
      @teknikool 6 років тому +1

      Waves Server is dedicated and only running Waves. No hidden Windows/Mac/Linux processes that are going on in the background.

    • @Erik17071990
      @Erik17071990 5 років тому

      The software on it is actually free to compile www.waves.com/legal/soundgrid-server-open-source-code They have to comply with there GPL license for linux. Yes it's just overpriced hardware

  • @mpkresearch
    @mpkresearch 7 років тому +2

    Great video Drew. God bless

  • @salmonella4u
    @salmonella4u 5 років тому

    I have a few issues with this. In Soundgrid, where he was configuring all of this towards the end of the video, it's also where I can pull up the page that has the x-wsg and the Soundgrid listed there, but over on the Server tabs, the server is not shown. And since it's not shown, I can't pull up the eMotion ST. The X32 and the Soundgrid system throughout seems to communicate and recognize each other and works for the most part. But the Server is not shown in that tab. Support said that they don't see it as licensed/activated, but it is. It works too, so it must be. But why isn't it still right? Also when I still had my X-live card in the X32, the X32 editor quickly recognized it and set up quickly. Now that the card is the X-WSG, the configuration has changed and I can't fix it to make the Editor see the X32 now. PLease Help me.

  • @lukasthielmann
    @lukasthielmann 7 років тому +1

    This might be a stupid question but how is this different from just running plugins in a DAW over the normal USB card? Using the USB card means you can still record 32 tracks if you want while using plugins. Am I missing something?

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +3

      Hi Lukas, great question. The main difference between the X-WSG Card with SoundGrid and using the X-USB card with a normal DAW is the latency. Running a DAW or MultiRack native you will find latency in the 10-20ms range, where SoundGrid is less than 1ms. You can read more about it here: dbbaudio.com/2017/waves-x-wsg-latency/

  • @injenius21
    @injenius21 7 років тому +1

    Great video man - is it possible to use the X-WSG Expansion Card with multirack and also record all 32 tracks (pre) in protools/studio one? One option would be to purchase the X32 Rack and add it to my current setup but I'm not sure if it's necessary

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +4

      Yes you can! Waves Tracks Live (free download) lets you interface with the X-WSG card and not only record the 32 tracks, but also can run Multirack at the same time. I will be making a video on this one!

  • @MegaMystified
    @MegaMystified 6 років тому +1

    Hello Drew. Is there a way to insert waves SSL master Bus Compressor on FOH main LR on X32 ?

    • @theycallmefilip
      @theycallmefilip 6 років тому

      Search UA-cam for "X32 with Waves - Inserting on a Output (MultiRack)". There's a good tutorial for inserting on any output, including LR bus.

  • @WhiteCatStudio-recordingstudio
    @WhiteCatStudio-recordingstudio 7 років тому +1

    Hi Drew,
    nice video again...
    Have you compare the latency between usb card and x-wsg card without server? I think to buy the card first without server but if it's not better than the usb card I will wait until i can buy the bundle :D
    Cheers!!

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому

      I haven't tested that because it is solely dependent on the speed of the computer itself due to the buffer being the main source of the latency. I will have to test this in the future. Thanks!

    • @jessestuart5756
      @jessestuart5756 6 років тому

      You'll find that with a USB connection, the USB bus adds too much latency to really use it live. Even at a 32IO buffer, you're pushing 5ms due not to the io buffer, but the USB bus.

  • @abecoulter18
    @abecoulter18 5 років тому +1

    Can the server be rack-mounted

  • @sedenirditadinikoaudio5394
    @sedenirditadinikoaudio5394 5 років тому +1

    Hello ! Congratulations first to the channel. I would like to take the following question: can I use the x-dante berhinger card on the midas M32?

    • @soundfreak8892
      @soundfreak8892 3 роки тому

      Yes anything that is designed for the x32 can be used on the m32 it’s the same system

  • @halidharis
    @halidharis 4 роки тому +1

    Since you change the card..you can't record the show..am i right????

    • @conradhendricks177
      @conradhendricks177 4 роки тому

      I was thinking the same thing. I noticed that Klark Technk have a new AES50 - USB interface - DN9630. I haven't tried this yet but I think it will work with clever routing. For example, connect the DN9630 to the AES50 -B socket, then to your computer for recording. Then, if you have 16 inputs on your local ins, go to the ROUTING page on the X32, tab across to the AES50 A/B page. Select local 1- 8 and 9-16 to route (direct out) to outputs AES50-B 1-8 and 9-16. This in theory should be sending prefade signal out the AES50 B bus to your computer. Then when you want to play back from computer, go to the ROUTING page, INPUTS tab and select AES50-B 1-8, 9-16 as the inputs... MY only concern is how the X32 does the direct outs.... in Drew's example in the video, he sends local 1-8, 9-16 to the CARD.... the question is can we also send to the AES50-B bus as a secondary direct out... that I don't know... I can't test this process, but this is the method I would use to be able to record and use Waves plug ins at the same time.. (I can't remove the strike out text. that is meant to stay in)

  • @golfloco1
    @golfloco1 7 років тому +1

    just want to know can you used waves with out the x-wsg card? can it be used with the x-32 expansion card (x-dante)?

    • @jordanthurt
      @jordanthurt 7 років тому

      Negative. Dante is its own protocol. Every other console I've mixed on, you need the Waves card for it to talk to the sound grid.

    • @patriciotr9753
      @patriciotr9753 5 років тому

      @@jordanthurt You can do it with the built in USB card as a interface for your computer, latency aside, it works

  • @drumbangerproduction
    @drumbangerproduction 6 років тому +2

    If I don't use the impact server, are there any latency benefits of purchasing the waves card standalone for the x32?

  • @jonathanpage6813
    @jonathanpage6813 7 років тому

    Is there any way to record all the channels and use MultiRack at the same time? If you can't with the same computer could you use a second computer connected to the same switch and do it that way?

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +1

      Yes you can! Waves Tracks Live (free download) lets you interface with the X-WSG card and not only record the 32 tracks, but also can run Multirack at the same time. I will be making a video on this one!

    • @outofthebooth5026
      @outofthebooth5026 7 років тому +1

      So can you also playback (virtual sound check) with this card?

  • @timschrock
    @timschrock 7 років тому

    Hey Drew. These videos are super helpful! Is the card required if we only want to connect/record 32 tracks to the computer in MultiRack software? No DSP desired right now.

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +1

      Hi Tim, you are able to connect the standard X-USB or X-UF card to MultiRack Native, however, you will find that the latency on this setup might not work for your situation. You can check out my most recent post about latency here: dbbaudio.com/2017/waves-x-wsg-latency/

    • @timschrock
      @timschrock 7 років тому

      Drew Brashler thanks! If I read right, by just recording/playback (which it looks like I could do with their "Tracks live" software) then I'm only dealing with approx 83ms delay to get 32 tracks of recording. May be some buffering issues but again I'm not looking for DSP onboard the computer just yet.
      Am I close?

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +1

      Sorry, I misread your question originally. If you are just recording, you wouldn't have any issues using the X-UF or X-USB cards with Waves Tracks Live. The latency only comes into play when you are trying to add processing to the audio and put it back into the PA with the band. You can run very large buffers and not have any issues recording.

    • @timschrock
      @timschrock 7 років тому

      Drew Brashler awesome! Thanks so much

  • @sanumusic007
    @sanumusic007 7 років тому

    Really Helpful man...
    Thanks

  • @StevenThompsonMedia
    @StevenThompsonMedia 7 років тому +1

    Great info - really helpful thanks

    • @StevenThompsonMedia
      @StevenThompsonMedia 7 років тому

      Do you know if the set up is very similar for the Midas m32 and the X-WSG card? Thanks

  • @BigMacBook1300
    @BigMacBook1300 2 роки тому

    dose it work with wing?

  • @MGort-bb8op
    @MGort-bb8op 7 років тому +1

    Good video! But, what about latency?

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +3

      Latency with the SoundGrid servers is as low as 0.8ms, each plugin itself has a certain amount of delay that is inserted as well. I will be going over all of that in my videos, don't you worry! When you run Multirack Native that is when latency starts to be a little longer.

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +1

      I put together a blog post with information on the latency of the Waves X-WSG and the SoundGrid. Check it out here: dbbaudio.com/2017/waves-x-wsg-latency/

  • @Sathish-gm5hl
    @Sathish-gm5hl 5 років тому

    Please deep deteailing How to conect and how to use how to fit on plugin in mexier

  • @vincentdelarosa7294
    @vincentdelarosa7294 4 роки тому

    Hello drew, I have DN32 -Dante Card on my m32 , I’m planning to buy SoundGrid Server ,Do I still need to buy the WSG card ?

  • @tuckerorton1740
    @tuckerorton1740 7 років тому +11

    that "router" is actually a switch 😂

  • @mashzmash
    @mashzmash 7 років тому

    Routing the card to the channel strips is so clunky and inflexible; having to use the preamps tab to adjust headamps and Waves processing now must be sent to monitors (if you're running them from the same console). If only the X32 could have 32 insert points, each from the card, while using different sources in the 'Home' tab. Aux-In remaps only gets you 6 channels to work with this way :(

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +1

      I hear you on that one, but that sort of feature would be way outside of the price range of the X32/M32. There is one way to get it working, but you would end up sacrificing 16 channels to make it work, so you would take your 32 channel board down to only a 16 channel board. I will end up going over this setup in a future video in the next few weeks!

    • @mashzmash
      @mashzmash 7 років тому

      Using separate channel strips for monitors (post fader too!) is a good way to run a board. But like you said, it eats up half your channels. It also makes routing much less flexible, since you need to devote 16 of your input sources to the card to get the MultiRack returns. For a lot of my shows, I patch an S16 to supplement the local inputs (even if I only plan to use a total of 16 inputs -- they are distributed for spatial convenience) and it would require very careful planning in banks of 8.

  • @renesupersonic
    @renesupersonic 4 роки тому

    Will I need to be connected to the internet every time I use waves?

  • @abalboa1
    @abalboa1 7 років тому

    How can I add this, if I am relying on dante for output to speakers and recording?

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому

      You would need to use a second X32 like a X32 Core to use it with your setup requiring the Dante Card.

    • @jordanthurt
      @jordanthurt 7 років тому

      It's unfortunate that the X32 and M32 don't have a secondary card option either on the console or on the digital snakes. I have an M32 and I wish for the extra cost you could get a secondary card slot.

    • @schimor
      @schimor 5 років тому

      @@jordanthurt that's why Yamaha boards sell for thrice the price.

  • @floreimer3861
    @floreimer3861 7 років тому +1

    One Question about this?
    Do i have to buy the Multirack Software extra, or is it included when i buy the soundgrid server?
    Thanks!

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому

      When you purchase the X32 combo on Waves's site, it comes along with all of the stuff that you need. If you just purchased the server by itself, I don't believe it comes with the software license. Make sure to grab the extra discount you can find here if you are planning on buying one: www.waves.com/r/115bgm. Thanks so much!

    • @floreimer3861
      @floreimer3861 7 років тому

      Drew Brashler Thanks for the answer!

  • @jaywong8023
    @jaywong8023 5 років тому

    Wilo this work mn midas mr12?

  • @massfusionstudio
    @massfusionstudio 5 років тому

    You had the speed of Elijah while removing those screws lol

  • @Skakid789
    @Skakid789 3 роки тому +1

    Holy shit this was helpful

  • @arockdasupa9401
    @arockdasupa9401 6 років тому

    Question can you use outboard gear with the DLI ?

  • @galgogergo
    @galgogergo 7 років тому

    please someone help tldr: why is it better than an X-UF card with standard usb cable to multirack native?

    • @DrewBrashler
      @DrewBrashler  7 років тому +1

      Hey! I explain the difference between the X-UF card and the soundgrid route on my blog post here: dbbaudio.com/2017/waves-x-wsg-latency/

  • @hanasvaraproduction9334
    @hanasvaraproduction9334 5 років тому

    What happen if only switch and pc ? No impact server

    • @wishusknight3009
      @wishusknight3009 5 років тому

      Then nothing. The Server is what does the work unless you figure out how to pirate the server software.

    • @schimor
      @schimor 5 років тому

      @@wishusknight3009 many an international act (not necessarily on an X32 mind you) run plenty of DSP directly from a Macbook and have no dedicated servers..Waves card directly to laptop through RJ45 network cable.

  • @carlosdias1043
    @carlosdias1043 7 років тому

    What version of firmware should be on the x32?

    • @jordanthurt
      @jordanthurt 7 років тому

      You will need to check what version of Soundgrid supports which version of firmware. With how popular the X32 is, you should probably run at the newest firmware version available.

  • @Sathish-gm5hl
    @Sathish-gm5hl 5 років тому

    Please any one are two plugin put on x32 some samples

  • @Nedtimmons
    @Nedtimmons Рік тому

    You may want to up your volume to match the advertising volumes. You are kind of soft.
    Great videos. Super helpful.

  • @Gimmiyomoney
    @Gimmiyomoney 5 років тому

    Waves kinda dropped the ball on not making the DSP server rack mountable

  • @mattrogers6522
    @mattrogers6522 5 років тому

    Seems quite a rubbish way of implementing waves. Can the x32 not do inserts? Then you won’t lose headamp control

  • @SonnyGtr
    @SonnyGtr 5 років тому +1

    :l .. yo al minuto 20 preguntándome porque vi el video completo si nunca voy a tener esa tarjeta de expansión.....:l

  • @QuicksilverSG
    @QuicksilverSG 5 років тому +1

    What a huge amount of hassle to work around the X32's lack of effects slots.

    • @schimor
      @schimor 5 років тому

      You mean ridiculously low selling price?

  • @Spacelord09
    @Spacelord09 5 років тому

    The "Router" is a basic network switch..

  • @snapascrew
    @snapascrew 5 років тому

    Holy shit he just called avid “ayvid”

  • @triniticoclough6387
    @triniticoclough6387 5 років тому

    Now why did you say EH-VID when everyone says A'VID

  • @JoshVoyles
    @JoshVoyles 7 років тому

    Good job

  • @vasiliymelnikov590
    @vasiliymelnikov590 5 років тому

    Thanks!

  • @absolutephase693
    @absolutephase693 6 років тому +1

    Have you ever taken notice how often per video you say "go ahead.."? ....just saying

  • @francksenasson5195
    @francksenasson5195 4 роки тому

    en français ca peut etre bien

  • @artysanmobile
    @artysanmobile 5 років тому

    What a ridiculous mess of hardware and software to create a mixer! Mixing music is a creative process, like composing or playing it. Spending a lot of time scrolling through menus to instantiate a plug-in in one piece of software and its associated hardware (laptop), to and from a mixer channel in a completely different piece of software with its associated hardware (the mixer’s little screen) - and that’s for ONE channel, ONE plug-in - is not my idea of mixing music. If the process needed by the operator does not appear locally on the actual mixing hardware, it’s just a science experiment, and one that will get very old, very fast.