This was the podcast that helped me make up my mind to give up bulking. I kind of knew it wasn't working for me and what I really needed was Doug's viewpoint on it.
I was fortunate enough to meet Dr. McGuff in 2009. He put me through a superslow workout when I worked as a trainer at Exercise Inc in Brownsburg, In. I've noticed that genetically gifted bodybuilders, one in particular, a friend of mine in the early 80s, looked great and super lean at 5'6" and 165 lbs. He got on the gear as most nationally competitive bodybuilders did then to prepare for the 83 Mr. America, and three months later he was 195 lbs, much bigger, but still very lean. He never became fat. He didn't eat much different than he did at 165. He was a Mike Mentzer fan and trained in the high intensity, low volume manner.
Great interview. Doug is a genius. He always articulates his thoughts in a clear and easy to understand way . The older I get the more sense Doug makes .Thanks.
Yeah, he's basically saying get attuned to your body, listen to it and let biology do the work. Give appropriate inputs and you'll get optimal response, or desirable response, over time. I can attest to the fact that some adaptation can seem to happen slowly or unexpectedly as long as consistency is maintained.
I don't know how I didn't see this podcast before !! lately I was eating too much, and I gained some fat, and that is not my idea. I will let the process take place naturally and organically, without being obsessive. Very valuable information, thanks.
In my experience muscle loss only occurs during calorie reduction, while trying to maintain muscle and lose fat loss. By trial and error, I've decided not to maintain my bodyweight because strength gain is something I value more than "leanness." If you are wondering why the last word is in quotes, it is because I have never truly been lean, not even when I weighed less than 130 lbs at my adult height of 66 inches. However, I have been a bony, scrawny, skinny, puny, frail,slender and - the coup de gras - "petite" man. Fortunately, I did partially overcome this presenting problem by lifting weights and greatly increasing caloric intake. Frankly, when I first began to see myself as no longer frail, scrawny, etc. I started to be seen for the very first time as.. a fat guy! Finally, though I wholeheartedly agree with what you said in this discussion regarding the negative effects of the unwanted fat gain which seemingly unavoidedly accompanies muscle size and strength gains in thin males. However, I'd much rather be a stronger than average "fat" guy than a weaker, "puny" one. (I presently weigh ~187 lbs at 68 years of age, and I'm going to attempt a full range of motion squat with 367.5 lbs on Friday.) Thanks for this discussion.
Interesting. I've always thought "bulking up" was bollocks. I was not vulnerable to the cultural pressures that implied such great health advantages and alpha male status. I was always interested in strength to weight ratio. Still am. Now the focus is on strength and VO2 max for optimal health and longevity potential.
@@DamaniJones , I'm not worried about VO2 max. But I understand that an adequate amount is important. We don't need Olympic endurance athlete levels, but something around 46 to 50 ml/kg/min. is what we should be aiming for in our first 5 decades of adult life. Yeah, I'm aware that Doug's exercise protocol will improve it. I have reservations about it on a couple of points however... Breathing: I think exercise is best done largely involving deep, slow (controlled) breathing with inhalation through the nose and focus on exhalation. (get rid of that CO2). Gravity: I think exercises involving gravity {body weight- calisthenics and running/sprinting} is desirable. Gravity is your friend and you need to work with it.
Yep trainer at gym told this old lady to bulk up. Jacked my calories to 2500. When I did dexa a few much later I had gained 4 lbs and lost a half pound of muscle.smh
10:58 unless you are genetically gifted...., but for a large majority it usually ends up with + fat covering what if any muscle has been gained. That doesn't mean resistance training shouldn't be carried out. Don't get too disheartened too many have died trying to get noticed.... vainess. There will always someone looking at you wishing they had your physique whilst you are doing the same. 😀 Thank you for uploading and sharing
Lawrence Neal, Where in England do you live? Do you have a training facility? I visit England once or twice a year because I have family there. If you have a training facility, I'd like to come and visit the next time I'm over.
This was the podcast that helped me make up my mind to give up bulking. I kind of knew it wasn't working for me and what I really needed was Doug's viewpoint on it.
My experience was similar to Lawrence; felt uncomfortable when ‘bulking/bulked’.
I was fortunate enough to meet Dr. McGuff in 2009. He put me through a superslow workout when I worked as a trainer at Exercise Inc in Brownsburg, In.
I've noticed that genetically gifted bodybuilders, one in particular, a friend of mine in the early 80s, looked great and super lean at 5'6" and 165 lbs. He got on the gear as most nationally competitive bodybuilders did then to prepare for the 83 Mr. America, and three months later he was 195 lbs, much bigger, but still very lean. He never became fat. He didn't eat much different than he did at 165.
He was a Mike Mentzer fan and trained in the high intensity, low volume manner.
@@HighIntensityBusiness Thanks Lawrence. Always have trained hard but minimally. Probably lazy at first but didn't realize it was to my benefit.
Interview starts at 7:45
Thanks for helping the listeners skip the boring parts ;-)
That was a great interview. Finally people who are talking about the more realistic expectations of bodybuilding.
Fantastic content.
Great interview. Doug is a genius. He always articulates his thoughts in a clear and easy to understand way . The older I get the more sense Doug makes .Thanks.
You are most welcome.
Yeah, he's basically saying get attuned to your body, listen to it and let biology do the work. Give appropriate inputs and you'll get optimal response, or desirable response, over time. I can attest to the fact that some adaptation can seem to happen slowly or unexpectedly as long as consistency is maintained.
I don't know how I didn't see this podcast before !! lately I was eating too much, and I gained some fat, and that is not my idea. I will let the process take place naturally and organically, without being obsessive. Very valuable information, thanks.
In my experience muscle loss only occurs during calorie reduction, while trying to maintain muscle and lose fat loss. By trial and error, I've decided not to maintain my bodyweight because strength gain is something I value more than "leanness." If you are wondering why the last word is in quotes, it is because I have never truly been lean, not even when I weighed less than 130 lbs at my adult height of 66 inches. However, I have been a bony, scrawny, skinny, puny, frail,slender and - the coup de gras - "petite" man.
Fortunately, I did partially overcome this presenting problem by lifting weights and greatly increasing caloric intake. Frankly, when I first began to see myself as no longer frail, scrawny, etc. I started to be seen for the very first time as.. a fat guy! Finally, though I wholeheartedly agree with what you said in this discussion regarding the negative effects of the unwanted fat gain which seemingly unavoidedly accompanies muscle size and strength gains in thin males. However, I'd much rather be a stronger than average "fat" guy than a weaker, "puny" one. (I presently weigh ~187 lbs at 68 years of age, and I'm going to attempt a full range of motion squat with 367.5 lbs on Friday.) Thanks for this discussion.
@@HighIntensityBusiness You're welcome. Attempting 380 lb. squat tomorrow, trying to get to 405 lbs.
Interesting. I've always thought "bulking up" was bollocks. I was not vulnerable to the cultural pressures that implied such great health advantages and alpha male status. I was always interested in strength to weight ratio. Still am. Now the focus is on strength and VO2 max for optimal health and longevity potential.
Don’t worry about VO2 max...Doug explains why in his book.
@@DamaniJones ,
I'm not worried about VO2 max. But I understand that an adequate amount is important. We don't need Olympic endurance athlete levels, but something around 46 to 50 ml/kg/min. is what we should be aiming for in our first 5 decades of adult life.
Yeah, I'm aware that Doug's exercise protocol will improve it. I have reservations about it on a couple of points however...
Breathing: I think exercise is best done largely involving deep, slow (controlled) breathing with inhalation through the nose and focus on exhalation. (get rid of that CO2).
Gravity: I think exercises involving gravity {body weight- calisthenics and running/sprinting} is desirable. Gravity is your friend and you need to work with it.
Yep trainer at gym told this old lady to bulk up. Jacked my calories to 2500. When I did dexa a few much later I had gained 4 lbs and lost a half pound of muscle.smh
Excellent discussion. Bless both of you gentlemen, good luck with your training.
Thank you!
Wow! This is such a valuable information
I don't bulk anymore because I loathe dieting.
Excellent podcast discussion. . my view : you can't outtrain and overeat your genetics .
10:58 unless you are genetically gifted...., but for a large majority it usually ends up with + fat covering what if any muscle has been gained.
That doesn't mean resistance training shouldn't be carried out.
Don't get too disheartened too many have died trying to get noticed.... vainess.
There will always someone looking at you wishing they had your physique whilst you are doing the same. 😀
Thank you for uploading and sharing
Lawrence Neal,
Where in England do you live? Do you have a training facility? I visit England once or twice a year because I have family there.
If you have a training facility, I'd like to come and visit the next time I'm over.
@@HighIntensityBusiness Now I remember your name. I should've got it the first time.
Thank you. I HATE bulking up.
Haha good man!
Great interview
Thank you.
Oh. And here I thought you'd take my advice and do 12 ounces of white rice a day. LOL!
I stopped listening at 10 minutes 'cause I did not hear much other than the Neal blubbering.
Hahaha