But you see, Weiss is forgivable because she's one of the main characters, of course! Who cares about Whitley, who is still struggling and trapped in a toxic family without anyone caring about him?? After all, Weiss was able to leave Atlas to pursue her dreams as a huntress (with her allowance still in tact, only being taken away when she started ignoring her father's calls)? He should've been FIIIIINE with Winter barely being home to protect him, his mother being a useless drunk and his father being emotionally abusive and manipulative!
Don't forget that Weiss obviously can never be wrong. She's obviously always been a victim of her situation and has never done anything to justify any of the misfortunes that are a result of her actions.
They made Whitley seemed like he was redeemed or something for calling in the butler, but like he never needed redemption at all. Once again, they keep pulling the MC’s are the best characters and you should only like them stick, instead of actually working and giving these characters a story. They need to put work into actually making them likable instead of telling us that there are so likable
Whitley chastised Weiss for leaving(getting away from the influence of her oppressive and depressing family) but he has the ability to do the exact same thing. When their mother pointed out that he doesn't want anything to do with her because she left him alone with them, it ignores the fact that he is a fully functioning person who has the ability to make choices for himself. That line makes it seem like Weiss had 2 options either stay in the misery of living in the oppressive situation, or drag Whitley along with her regardless of whether he wants to go or not.
It’s because the fandom has a double standard when it comes to male characters. If female characters have traumatic backstories, it justifies everything those characters have done in their minds (e.g.: Ilia and Emerald), while male characters with equally traumatic backstories don’t receive the same sympathy (e.g.: Adam and Mercury). I’m willing to bet that if they genderswapped Adam and Ilia, the stans would be worshiping Adam as an incredible character while calling Ilia an incel
@@YourLadyStar You're absolutely right, probably has something to do with the "older sibling knows better" dynamic to , when she said "go to your room" not sure though lol. 🤷♀️
@@masterzero7146 Don't forget about how Cinder got a bullshit backstory and suddenly everyone felt sorry for her, meanwhile, Ironwood, who's been through hell and back, is being butchered into generic crazy dictator because the writers don't want to admit they screwed up.
Ever notice how EVERY conversation with Whitley ALWAYS has Whitley initiate the conversation? Ever notice how Whitley, as bratty as he is, is always trying to strike up a conversation with Weiss? Yang complained about how Whitley wouldn't leave Weiss alone, which is interesting. Weiss claims that Whitley wants nothing to do with her, and yet every time Whitley is around, he tries to talk to Weiss. He's condescending, he's rude, he's annoying. But he's always trying to talk to her. If anything, it's the opposite. It's not Whitley that wants nothing to do with Weiss. It's Weiss that wants nothing to do with Whitley.
Good catch! I didn't notice that. Obviously the writers didn't see it that way either. Using it as a tool to make Whitley seem more annoying and deplorable. That certainly sheds more light on Whitley's character. Even if that wasn't the intention by the writers.
If Weiss has enough to time to hang around her house and drink tea, then she has more than enough time to talk to her damn brother and check on her mom! Like seriously, they're literally under the same roof for God's sake
Yeah I mean the People of Atlas are being SLAUGHTERED Grimm. What do you expect the Protagonists to do drink TEA or SAVE LIVES. RT: Oh yes Tea is MUCH more important than innocent people.
EXACTLY!! And I thought them coming back to the manor would lead to some interesting Schnee family interactions, but nope still have time for sitting and drinking tea tho.
They're treating it like they've had this hugely antagonistic relationship where their father had played them off against each other, with Whitley as the clear favourite and being able to get with bullying Weiss, and using it gleefully. But that didn't happen, at least not on screen, and not really inferred anywhere in story.
@@aldairlara5582 Even if they do it wouldn't really make sense because Whitley is several years younger than Weiss (I think he's like 14?) Even if they pit them against each other, it's kinda hard to view Whitley as a direct antagonist considering he'd be barely into puberty in V1
@@ButterflyScarlet Yeah I know, Im not saying Whit should be viewed as an antagonist, Im just dissapointed as usual with they way things are written in the show.
I mean it's p obvious to me that jacques groomed whitley into the position of his perfect heir when he realized that he couldn't control weiss. How hard is it to manipulate a emotionally vulnerable child who's been abndoned by everyone in his life and is just looking for someone to be there for him? We've never been shown jacques actually be affectionate with whitley at all, in fact he seem to ignore him 90% of the time and the only time we've ever seen them interact, jacques literally yells at him to get out of his office. And what perks did whitley get out of being the perfect son? A picture on jacques' desk and a parking spot. That's it. Am I wrong in this interpretation? Bc I really don't want this to be what the writers intended AND whitley is still shit on by the fandom and in the show. I genuinely don't understand, am I supposed to laugh at the groomed /neglected/ abused boy getting wine dumped on him and a sword pointed at his face?
Honestly, it's clear they're writing the characters exactly how the fans want them to be written. Fandom can't comprehend how the main crew can ever be wrong and the writers follow suit. All four of them are written that way. The reason why Weiss was the most enjoyable out of the four was because she was allowed to be wrong and grow. But now that she has been "reformed" she too now joins them. It's just garbage writing from beginning to end.
I agree, you do want to write a story/show for an audience and demographic, but they shouldn’t let the fans control the story too much. The audience is there to witness the story, so the writers just should focus on creating that first. Also, constructive criticism can be fine and helpful too, but caving to the fans who send threats about how a two characters should get together or something minor, then you sacrifice so much to make these kinds of toxic people happy. The writers of this show is listen to the wrong fans, cause toxic fans will never be happy. They gotta put an actual story first. Also I agree with the writing being garbage from beginning to end!
I... really don't see that. Like, at all ^_^ - Blake's been shown as "wrong" plenty of times in regards to how she treated relationships and connections as something to run away from, treating herself like a bad luck charm that could only ever hurt people with her presence; Sun had to hammer it into her head that wanting to protect those kinds of connections are what give people strength and that it's not Blake's right to decide who people should or shouldn't feel is worth fighting for. - Yang was treated as wrong for letting loss get to her and allowing Ruby to just walk off into danger. To a lesser extent, I think V6 might also have (surprisingly) treated Yang as wrong for how she bashed Raven - when she was in that position herself at Brushwick Farms, Yang made the same choice her mother did and advocated abandoning the world to Salem in favor of them saving themselves. Sure the Apathy Grimm influenced her, but they didn't create those feelings; they just fed what was already there after the reveals about Ozpin, and snapping out of it was what led her to realize just giving up would make everything they did pointless. - For Ruby... well, frankly speaking, I think the entirety of V7-8's main plot is basically one big billboard saying "Ruby was wrong." The whole reason there's even a schism between them and Ironwood is because Ruby not only liked to him about Salem, but she *manipulated* him through those lies by having him focus on Amity Tower to reconnect the kingdoms instead of focusing on Atlas' defenses to protect Mantle's people. Now Salem's knocking on the door with their defenses not shored up and, because Ruby absconded with the Winter Maiden, Ironwood doesn't even have access to the Staff of Creation to try and save even the people in Atlas and is basically being forced by the situation to defend everyone (regardless of he has the manpower or resources to even do that) or let everyone die trying. Even Ruby's own team have fractured because they're not longer certain she's making the right calls. - I'm pretty sure how Weiss initially gave Whitley the cold shoulder *is* being treated as a mistake, though(?). Do you remember in V1 how abysmally bad Weiss was at connecting with people? Well, retroactively apply that to her past life and you can probably get an idea of how interactions with her and Whitley must have been - which is to say not all that good since Whitley was arguably just as bad connecting to people as Weiss, made worse by him never getting out into the world like she eventually did. Furthermore, Weiss in the early volumes seemed to believe circumstances didn't dictate personage - that what mattered most was what a person chose to be, not where they came from; hell, half the basis of her argument with Blake was based on a seeming belief that no circumstances the faunus suffered could have justified the White Fang's actions. Is it really that surprising that misunderstanding of how much circumstances affect one's perceptions could have made her mistake Whitley as choosing to be like his father rather than simply not knowing better, much less that she's only realized now that this was a mistake?
The show is pissing me off. The best thing they’ve done is remove the RWBY cast by letting 3/4 girls fall into the damn pit. But I bet you they’ll just bring them back so Blake and Yang have a huge make out session. I’m done with this shit tbh.
@@mrmetroid1078 Sure….she has….that’s why there’s never and real consequences for her actions. She slapped Sun and she didn’t even apologize for that. But sure…….
i can argue with his claims tho, I feel like whitley resembles or at least, resembled his father a lot. Because he wanted to be the heir, he wanted to be his father's favourite and acted like him. Do people forget all of the horrible things whitley claimed in the show? He probably looked a lot like Jacque to Weiss, so she instinctively judges him for that. And even though its cheap, him showing support for other people is a big step in stepping out of his father's shadows. I see what you're going for vex, but your theories need more thorough research.
@@CvntyPussyWIllow Pardon, but... when did Whitley let Weiss down? In Volume 4? All he did was act smarmy. He didn't 'influence' her into lashing out and getting her inheritance stolen; he just made it clear he had no problem with being the only heir. Granted, I can believe that Weiss could be biased because he resembles their father. I'd be lying if I said I didn't get suspicious of people because they resembled an abusive boss or ex-lover. And him showing support for someone outside the family is a good way to show he's not like Jacques. But when you talk about all the 'horrible things' he claimed... I guess I'm forgetting them, because I don't remember him doing anything aside from just being kind of smug. Granted, smug people are irritating, but in comparison to murderers and abusers like Cinder or Salem?
@@johnking9943 bruh, the whole of the volume 4 arc was about whitley trying to overthrow's weiss position. Did you forget this scene? Weiss: you wanted this to happen? Whitley: it's not wise to disobey father. Ofcourse in his bitch little way. Weiss also said that whiteley never liked her, so if someone doesn't like you for all of time you've known them do you really think they suddenly are gonna have a Change of heart when their mother tells them to act nice? Your alcoholic mother that was part of the misery you endured. Ofcourse there are valid reason for the way whiteley acts, but you can say the same about weiss.
The chaotic nature of the writing leads me to believe good character moments are unplanned, they just happen. RWBY doesn't have "characters," it has "moments."
Mmm, yep! That's why folks like me buy into it so easily. I put practically no critical thought into what I watch. I leave that to people who are good at it. I just take scenes as they come. As long as they evoke the right emotions at the time, I like it. I really never notice the inconsistencies and contradictions and faulty logic til I watch one these to explain it to me. ^_^;
Weiss: I'm a victim, feel bad for me! Whitley: What about me? Weiss: You're not a chick, you can't be a victim. This show really knows what to do to make me hate it.
The entire "fix the schnee sibling relationship" thing should have been in volume 4 after the separation. Maybe it wouldn't have been such a shitshow then. It would also have continued Weiss' character progresson nicely and they wouldn't have to use such cheap ways to quickly tie up this subplot. If only they had a plan in the beggining.............
Like maybe as weiss is sneaking out have whitley confront her. Acting disinterested in her leaving until the end where the mask slips a bit, and he voices his hurt in being abandoned again as he leaves. Leaving weiss with something to think on later as she leaves.
@@icesoul17z Not gonna lie, I would just have her straight up not leave Atlas. Fight the battle at the homefront, so to speak. (She was useless in Mistral anyway.)
@@tamasrehany6532 Honestly, yeah that would’ve been for the best especially since she went right back to Atlas any way. It would've been nice to see her in her element using her influence and popularity to undermine her father in subtle ways. Say like doing fund-raiser concerts that she would organize herself. Then donating the money to mantle or faunas rights groups. They could've used team FNKI is this endeavor since their whole theme is music. Actually, show off mantle and atlas. Have her prove herself to the people that she's changed and want to help those around her. Hell it would be the perfect time to introduce the happy huntresses. Her and May could really connect coming from similar backgrounds and all.
I disagree there. That was a relationship that couldn't be feasibly mended while their father was a factor. The only time they could mend it, from a writing standpoint, is either after Jock is arrested, or before Jock is arrested, to do it any other time their conflict would've had to be completely different. This is a good time to mend the relationship, they just botched the execution, which is pretty much the story of rwby as a whole.
Honestly my gripe with Weiss (and by extension Jaune) is that the only reason why she’s seen as the best developed character in team RWBY was because she was written to be mean at first
Weiss and Blake had the most potential with their backstories and of course the writers are wasting it. Ruby's only potential part of her backstory is that she never knew her mom and slowly became a Mary Sue. Yang had some potential with the "hunting down her mom for answers" backstory since it wasn't revenge-driven, unlike many using this similar backstory, but that was wasted after Volume 2
@@sagescribe_ yeah if you listen to rwby songs red like roses part 2 ruby is suppose to be broken and hurt about her mother death but we see that in the show. Yang nevered asked her mother why she left her. Weiss not getting to know her brother. I bet you could give this story to anyone they can do a better job than the rwby writers.
@@kinglightning5256 sad thing is the manga remembers that Ruby and Yang are sisters and remembered her weapons fetish and stage fright, vols 1 feels slow, vol 2 feels like filler and vol 3 moved way to fast in places it could have had 24 episodes if fights weren't so short or more fights like it's a tournament where were the fights, the group fights were so boring the only fight worth a damn is Yang vs Mercury and he was supposed to lose that fight
@@sdbzfan1 Wow you didn’t like vol 1-3? People who used to like rwby are getting tired of the show. So I’m surprised the people that didn’t like the show in the first place are still sticking around lol
@@snackeater4990 no i like them, im just saying their problems, vol 4 is boring, vol 5 is where the characters begin to suck, character stagnation isnt a problem its only one when you show characters grow and then move backwards like with Yang, vol 6 starts well and once they leave the farm the show reminds me they play to fans and not to tell a good story
"Go to your room. Stay out of sight. Don't get involved." Weiss sighs, before smiling softly and adding, "We'll talk, later." That would've been all they needed to add, even if we didn't get to see the conversation; wouldn't be the first they skipped over, if they had. Don't sacrifice character development for a quick laugh.
@Matthew W Jr. Hasch There is a library of superior writers who are on fan fiction sites who would gladly step in (even for an episode or two at a time). Just have another one of their 'contests' where instead of some surface-level addition they actually bring someone on to write an episode for them with guidelines.
I really hated how the majority of the fandom saw Weiss pointing her weapon at her own brother without any empathy like that and reacted with, *“YAS QUEEN!!!!❤️”*
3:34 This, right here, has been bothering me since the episode aired. Weiss has been giving her brother the cold shoulder, treating him as an antagonist, and despite all that, he decides to be the bigger Schnee and get Nora a doctor. And she's just like, "Yep. That's cool." Here's what I feel they should have done: Whitley: "That girl needs a doctor. I didn't do it for you." Weiss: (Looks down with regret). "I know." (She looks back up) "Whitley... I'm sorry." (Whitley turns to her in surprise). Weiss: "I spent so long scared and worried for myself... that I never thought about what you were going through." (She turns from him) "I thought I was becoming a better person by defying Father..." (Looks back to him) "But I forgot to become a better sister." (She gives a small, sheepish smile) "Thank you." Whitley: (Can have a moment where he seems touched. Maybe gives her a small nod or something before Penny's landing distracts them) Granted, I still feel that we should've gotten a scene where they talked before he called Klein, but I'll need some time to figure that one out. For now, let me know what you think; I'm hoping to write a novel one day, so I could really use the feedback.
Its fantastic! You put more effort in writing that one scene then the writers of RWBY have the entire season thus far. Also this may or may not apply to you but I feel like I need to say it. I think people should stop rewriting/remaking RWBY. They're wasting their time, energy, & talent to try to fix something that's completely f*cked (and getting worse) instead of using that to create something new and better.
This would've made that scene much much more earned, good job be sure to add a scene before this that covers the Schnees (Mother, Daughter, and Son) having a serious yet heartwarming discussion of the family grievances they've held in for so long. Also as someone who is aspiring to be a writer I wish you the best of luck.
@@upjohn1715 Thank you. Best of luck to you as well. No matter how tough it gets; you've got a story to tell. And there's going to be someone out there who would love to read it. :)
I'm think of writing a book series some day, but right now I'm writing it disguised as a RWBY fanfic just to see how the narrative and characters get received.
The writers desires to write men as either: incompetent or _EVIL_ is understated. Like for real, the amount of male characters who've been washed, forgotten or had their personalities ramped up for the sake of a plot device is suffocating. Swear Miles & Kerry will cater to the worst common denominator if it means they'll be stepped on in office.
@@snackeater4990 and Ren was to be the most level headed and then they started steering him in to a Ironwood and then Ironwood who was written to be this complicated anti-hero who went crazy and became full murder with nothing of his former glory and Jaune can we not get into him
The reason Whitley is not treated equally to Weiss when they both have the same upbringing is because the fandom and CRWBY are biased against the male characters. Ever noticed how all of the female villains get sob stories to make the audience feel bad and have a chance for redemption (e.g. Ilia, Raven, Emerald, Salem), while the male villains aren’t given the same treatment despite having equal if not worse backstories (e.g.: Adam, Mercury)? The most recent and blatant example is Cinder's origin episode, where the stans are now fawning all over her and acting as if her childhood trauma justifies all of her actions (check the reaction channels after Watts roasts Cinder), while they still call Adam the scum of the Earth
Yeah, The writers are really hard on for the female characters, Males suck, Besides Neptune.. The only male character they like, Even though he sucks in the main show
@@pathetic2399 And the female sob stories aren't tragic at all. Cinder, Salem and Ilia were and are shitty people. Adam and Mercury had tragic stories but Adam most of all got completely shit on so they could replace him with Ilia.
1:03 "I mean the reason why so many fans like her stems from her character development." Maybe fans like you Vex, but we all know what the overwhelming majority of this fandom *really* cares about.
Actually, at this point, I honestly wonder? Like when do the 'shippers' or just 'bad RWBY denialists' lose out to the 'this show is so bad that I have built a youtube community about how bad it is' viewers? When does the majority of people actually watching this show become people looking for content through criticism?
That "Redeeming" scene for whitley was executed very very poorly. But on the bright side, like EruptionFang said. I'm glad this whole sibling drama is over
It honestly feels like another Schnee plotpoint resolved too easily or quickly. Jacques was taken down very quickly with no struggle as the key to beating him was handed over on a silver platter. And now Whitley is "redeemed" through a quick phone call after being treated like a villain. And yeah, he was a brat, but he was certainly no villain. The best thing to do I think was without making Whitley look like the bad guy would be to have Weiss just sit and talk with him. I feel like what we got was just a half-baked cheap version of that
@@austin9568AuraMasterDX Oh fuck, I forgot her and the AceOps were getting "redeemed", I guess Winter's about to become just as unlikeable as the main characters😑
@@coreyflowers6800 I kinda want that to be the case so Weiss just has a moment to herself wondering why she was being so harsh on the kid for just being snarky
Cognitive dissonance my dude, their perception of RWBY is so warped that the concepts of constructive criticism and world building no longer exist in their feeble minds.
Whitely: I long for the sweet embrace of death. Angel Roman: Trust me kid, it's way better up here than down there. I'm still waiting on my favorite Gal Pal to join me.
I get the feeling that scene where Weiss tells Whitely to go to his room, Miles and Kerry expected the audience to be like ‘Yasss, Queen! You tell that brat what is what. Whooo girl yas.’ But all it ended up doing was making everyone start to dislike her for down right being so insensitive and for pointing her weapon not only at a child but her own brother. I’m still shocked there are still legit die hard fans of this show. On a more happier note, Vexed how much I gotta pay for you to upload everyday. I’ve been binging your videos so much that i’m running out of them to watch. You can’t imagine how quick I clicked when I saw you upload. I hope you see this and Love ya and your work man, keep it up👍.
the sad thing is there probably are several reactions to the episode where the girls reacting literally go "yassss queen" or something in similar manner on weiss pointing weapon on her own brother ,who endured worse than she had (remember, she couldn't handle it and escaped while he was left to deal with this shit), and then bossing him around, telling him to go to his room. Though from RT writing I expected Whitley to rat out weiss & co (understandably), be full on villain(like every other white male who isn't simping for team RWBY), and then get beaten to show his place (most likely by weiss bitchslapping him for another yaaass queen moment), so yeah, them having him actually do something good was pretty surprising (even if still poorly written).
@@nocebo5792 The biggest example is the reaction channel "sunny" and she just berates Whitley. A few reaction channels called Weiss out, most didn't react, and others just smirked at what Weiss did
I feel like they might have thought the weapon pointing wasn't a big deal cause on the face of it, its just a sword, and her rapier is one of the least imposing weapons. Picture it if Weiss was pointing a gun at him - the scene becomes much more shocking and uncalled for, despite the actual threat being the same, because Myrtenaster it is just as lethal as one. Just makes less sense the more you think about it, such a terrible moment that totally overshadows the story of Whitley overcoming his background which could have been really interesting and nice to see.
The show utterly refuses to frame their main protagonists in the wrong so they made Whitley (the helpless victim) take the initiative to mend things between him and Weiss, as if Whitley is to blame for why Weiss is such a shitty sister to him
Personally I don't think I've ever seen a show that struggles so much to create sibling dynamic ever in my life than in RWBY, but that's just my opinion....
Anyone else believe he originally wasn't meant to be a corrupt man...? Because the way Weiss talked about how difficult it at home back when her father was stressed about what the white fang was going in the vol 2, she didn't sound like she hated him. In fact, if he really was terrible, Winter wouldn't have made it as a taunt for Weiss to go back home when he cut her off! I believed from there that he was a strict but caring father. Why else would he personally go pick up his daughter by the end of vol 3? And then.... His first speaking appearance.
Yeah, I had the same impression at first and I couldn't understand if it was me totaly misunderstanding the foreshadowing or me using too much my immagination. Than the next Volumes happened and I realized it: without Monty, Miles Luna wasn't able to write morraly grey characters. Everyone who hadn't been introduced as totaly good, like team RWBY or team JNPR, had to be a villain
This video honestly made me realize how much males who are abused are shut down upon. While, the females and the fans are like “oh my god you’ve suffered so much!! You deserve all the love!” So, first as you said in the video Whitley is also the same victim as much as Weiss is. (And Winter) but, the fans are honestly head over heels for Weiss. While like 95% of the fandom LOVE Weiss. And the other 5% just like Whitley. The poor boy followed his fathers orders so he didn’t get abused or treated wrongly like the sisters did. He was smart in that aspect. Now, moving on, let’s go to another abuse victim, that many people don’t really notice, or well hell...even care about. The Ozma incarnations. In v6 he’s desperately trying to hide the truth from the group and Oscar. Yet fails in doing so. But while they come back from the vision he gets yelled at for what? Lying? He didn’t lie. When did the group ever ask about what truly happened at Beacon? Why he reincarnated...they never did. Never on screen at least, and that’s the issue. Ozma has been abused for many years, the amount of times he’s been roaming the world. And everyone praises Salem? Seriously? This immortal witch who killed his kids, ruined his past lives, over and over again. And traumatized him. That’s just heartless. People often forget that Ozpin didn’t know what truly happened after he died. It was a surprise as much as it was to the others. The fact he was crying shows that much, of how he was blinded to begin with, when Salem was truly changing...he was blind to it before it was too late. It’s okay to have your favorite character, but not understanding the other side of the coin is rather...sad. And not mentioning of the abuse that the male characters go through.
@@ProxyDoug oh yeah, definitely. Qrow’s drunk ness and depression is nothing to laugh at. Yeah, he’s slightly amusing during his moments. But what became of this state of mind he’s in? Summer’s death? The fall of his team? The way his semblance caused something? Well never know until we explore more of his character. Adam, well, Being abused AND branded by the Schnee company. And Blake never brought it up? Weiss should’ve been with Blake during that whole fight. But let’s just throw more potential development out the window. Since we need a shipping moment. Cause if that doesn’t happen, fans will go crazy and..yeah..
To me it's even worse they planned on having Adam receive his scar by an argument he had when he was a slave...... Do these writer know nothing about slavery?!?!?!?!
It has nothing to do with being an man. He could of become an huntress and escaped but choose not to because he thought it was beneath him. His problems are his own fault.
It says a lot about the fandom of this show that they show sympathy and understanding for Weiss when they find out her backstory. But continue to treat Whitley like he's an annoying brat despite him having the same circumstances. It's like the only way these "real fans" of the show can watch it is by cherry picking what they want to remember so it fits their head cannon. Ignoring the problems in a show can be done if the show has so many other positives that the few negatives don't ruin the experience. Unfortunately RWBY ain't one of those shows and the sooner people realize that the faster this show can improve itself. Dope video sorry for the tangent.
According to the FNDM, Whitley "finally became a decent human being" in this episode. But in V1, Weiss saving Ruby from the deathstalker was seen as "finally revealing her soft side". So Weiss was always a decent human being, but Whitley wasn't, despite behaving similarly. Interesting. V8 has taught me one thing: The writers can do absolutely no wrong in the fans eyes. They can pull anything out of their ass, no matter how nonsensical/poorly executed (Saying Ruby's semblance has no mass, Ironwood's semblance, Ironwood shooting someone for no reason, Weiss' behavior towards Whitley, etc) and the fans will accept it without question. I'm done.
Yet despite the absurd moments with her little bro, Weiss IS still a better written big sister than Yang... That's kinda impressive in a "disturbing" way lol!
How many times has Ruby and Yang being siblings been brought up since Bumblebee was acknowledged as a relationship by the show? If you got someone who was new to RWBY and showed just the current volumes would they even be able to tell that Ruby and Yang are sisters?
@@dime-a-thousand8002 They state they are sisters by other characters, But it would be hard to tell, Since Ruby and Yang have not have a verbal scene together to my memory since volume 5
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Salem's gotten ahold of the Relic of knowledge, has Kidnapped Ozpin/Oscar, has the password to summon jhin, has all but completely overwhelmed Atlas with her Grimm army and Is so secure in her victory that she sent away two of her best fighters ahead to the next city. This could quite literally be the last time she see's her brother and Weiss has basically completely abandoned her bro.
Honestly I'm more confused that the writers seem to be aware that her brother has had as hard of a time as Wiess, as shown in the meeting with her mother, but then go ahead and do this shit anyway... I mean, in the scenario that they weren't aware in the first place and the meeting with Wiess' mother never happened, it would be more understandable as just more bad writing but I'm just confused as to why they would specifically make note of her brother being under pressure and then make Wiess act like this. It's as if they wanted her to regress as a character.
Because for some reason they thought it was a good idea to treat the "you left him here alone with us" scene as a """plot twist""" reveL that whitley has been a victim all a long when many fans have already put 2 and 2 together even as early as v4 and it was only the idiotic walnuts in the fandom who actually believed whitley wasn't also a victim up until that point. So they had to treat whitley like shit up to that point ig?? I really cannot fathom writing a character that is meant to be actively abused and isolated and just... Shitting on them continuously.
As someone who has fought with siblings that moment with Weis was pathetic. If I was her bro I would have gave the cold shoulder and shoved off. Not long ago I had a fight with my sis and she dragged out mom into it and they both ganged on me and tore me down emotionally and yelled. And after our mom was done my sis tries to hug me like if she deserved one especially since she never apologized. I gave her the cold shoulder and she went ballistic showing me her half ass attempt at a sister hug was not genuine. Only a week later when she actually apologized did I open myself to hug her. So yeah not surprised this show fucks up anything trying to be genuine relationships.
This whole “redemption arc” by Whitley feels like damage control after Weiss’s “go to your room” moment. Of course, the fandom ate that shit up though so I guess it worked.
I know Barb has informed us that "It's a cartooooon",but lets be real; if you, a teenage "huntress", has death incarnate attack your home city, the FIRST thing you'd do is check on remaining family members who are in the the same building as you. I mean damn, even if my sibling was annoying, I'd at least put it aside since we could die at any moment, and I certainly wouldn't point a fucking lance at them.
It seems that they don't won't to treat that scene (along with many other scenes) seriously, and only what 'they' feel is serious enough to warrant attention. That dumb excuse that Barb has stated can actually be turned against her (or anyone that agrees with that statement). It means you can also use that excuse on her and others when there are 'certain moments' they want you to take seriously. If they don't want certain scenes (that are supposed to be taken seriously) to be taken seriously, then that means the scenes they 'feel' is important can't also be taken seriously. For example, all of the shipping she and some others want to be taken seriously. However, by her own words, it shouldn't be taken seriously sense 'It's a cartooon!'. So she and others shouldn't be surprised there are people who're just flat out ignoring the 'shipping' aspect when they are ignoring aspects that are supposed to be serious to begin with (story,lore, etc.).
Weiss and Whitley's arc feels a lot like her arc with Blake and Weiss. She doesn't work towards anything in the arc, it just has other characters do stuff to prove that she was wrong about them and she recognizes the fact. It lacks agency on her part because she does nothing to work towards encouraging them to do the things that makes her change her mind about them, they just happen without her actually taking part in what in an arc she's involved in. What concerns me is that this isn't the first time they did it. They did it in Volume 1, when the writers were inexperienced and still trying to figure out what they were doing with the show. That was the only major criticism of Volume 1 I can remember. That the plotline lacked an important character moment for Weiss, who was central to it. It's one thing to make a mistake once, it's another to continue making that mistake. It means that for all you've learned, you still haven't changed.
I hate that scene: if whoever called Klein was anyone else, Weiss would have hugged that someone. But in this case it was Weetley, not because he's her younger brother, but because he brought the butler.
I feel so bad for Whitley now. I, like most of the fandom, didn't like him at first, but now, the poor kid was basically a victim of poor parenting and two elder sisters who didn't give a damn about their brother. Both had the power to leave that life, but Whitley didn't, leaving him at the focus of their father's crap parenting.
Inconsistency is what happen when you don’t have a professional staff, they are no coworkers, they wont do quality check for their goddamn show or check the continuity caiuse they just stack cool moment one other the other. Well. Cool for thel that is.
I used to love RWBY and watch it without realising it had flaws like any other show, then i watched a 3 hour long video essay by (HBomberguy) and tried to make up excuses about why thing where that way, until I realised that RWBY really should NOT have been made by people who think feel good moments, the power of friendship and plot armour are all you need to start and keep a show alive.
Honestly as a RWBY fan I’m ashamed that a large part of the fandom are trying to justify Weiss’s attitude towards Whitley, she of all people should be able to empathize with and understand why Whitley is the way he is.
Imagine if it was MAY who pointed her weapon at Whitley when they are about to Enter the Schnee Manor and Weiss having to stand up for her brother at that moment. Would have been a parallel to May having a grudge on Whitley because she reminds him of Henry and show Weiss that despite the differences, NO ONE SHOULD POINT THEIR WEAPON TO A CHILD.
...has *nobody* mentioned that she's BLUSHING as she's telling him to go to his room when her little brother is at his lowest, weakest, most *pathetic* point? I think she likes being the abusive one for once a little *too* much.
…good god I didn’t notice that. At this point I think CRDL is my favorite (heck I will take Cardin then weiss) because for God’s sake these heroes are disgusting.
Whitley's "arc" was probably the last thing the show had in which we can get the good guys being criticized for their actions/lack of actions and they ruined it. Blake "abandoning" the team was never an issue, Team RWBY being criticized for the Cordovin mecha fiasco was nulled, Blake and Yang killing Adam is irrelevant, Blake and Yang giving away the Amity secret is never brought up, Weiss never telling the truth about Oz and the Relic even though Winter told her about the Winter Maiden is irrelevant, etc. Anyone who ever felt slighted by the protagonists either died, been villainized, or just forgives them.
Honestly, Blake “abandoning” the team really wasn’t an issue. She had zero obligation to stay with any of them. And yeah, I know that Blake’s storyline is trash, but at the same time it’s there, and I hate when people act like Blake owed Yang anything, despite the fact that Blake was also “traumatized” as well from seeing her abusive ex and him threatening everything she loved. All these issues that the series want people to believe are issues, aren’t actual issues
That moment, like the rest of this show, made me feel nothing. I didn’t care. Why should I care something that the writers clearly don’t have any care for? Its empty...
You know, It would pretty interesting if Whitley ended up just snapping, possibly pimp slapping Weiss or hell getting high of dust to give him power and literally start destroying everything would have been a better setup. Am I wrong?
Whitley literally didn’t do anything to NEED to be redeemed. He is actually even MORE alone than Weiss was bc she had Winter. And to add more salt to the wound, When they get to the manor Whitley even says that their mother locked herself in her room drinking after Jacques was arrested and did Weiss ever bother to check on her? Nope!
Honestly I could see why Whitley was so hated for so long. He stole Wiess' inheritance and seemed so uncaring towards her. "Its rude to disobey fathers wishes" stuck in the whole fandoms mind like crazy glue Then I saw him again, pokeing his head into Jaques office in a much more timid manner. Watts' little "a spitting image of you" line is also telling. He's a spitting image of his dad because out of Fight, Flight, or Freeze he chose "Fawn". "Fawn" as in "Do as they say and nothing bad will happen" while his sisters picked a mix of fight and flight as Willow was frozen He's a mini Jaques and that's by design. And Weiss has NO RIGHT treating her OWN. FUCKING. BROTHER. LIKE THAT WHITLEY IS A FUCKING KID. AT THE VERY MOST HE'S 16 AND SHE PUT A SWORD IN HIS FACE
He didn't steal anything. She lost it on her own and tried to blame him for it and the fanbase just blindly accepts whatever RWBY says as unvarnished truth.
@@apinchofstars5465 Honestly that's kind of the creators fault. One thing happens onscreen but the characters often say the opposite happened. Considering how many "animation errors" there are I wouldn't be surprised if there was barely any quality control.
Biggest problem I had with this scene is that there treating Weiss and Whitley like they had some major breakthrough. When they had absolutely no dialogue or interaction with each other whatsoever!
Ironwood? I don’t know tbh, I still like his character despite what the writers are doing with him. He’s the only good one left for me, but that’s not saying much. Like you said...RWBY standards 😒
Good or "good" cause I would say Mercury has stay over all the same and is Good, Emerald is ticking me off with her back and forth like they wanna pull a Zuko but can't do it right, but other wise I would say Any season 1 character that isn't the main teams which sucks because Ren and Blake were my picks and now look at them, Nora is not as good as season 1 making me think Gag characters should just stay jokes
Bro, I swear, I almost just straight up SCREAMED when I saw just the title, but the content of the video... omg. It was like someone ripping out the same thoughts I have been holding this entire time.
Even though Miles Edgeworth thought Sebastian was annoying he still took the time to explain why his way of doing things was wrong as Edgeworth was in a similar predicament. Gamora saved her sister and forgave her after she gave up killing her and understood why she was so angry but here I feel like there were parts cut out which is too bad since I hoped more for this than the Ironwood storyline
Tbh Weiss writing has been since volume 7. They again took a character development from volume 3 and made it worst. Also, it seems Rooster Teeth has a big problem with consistency, so they are being lazy and dumbing Weiss down to make her average like the other 3 rather then building the other 3, but that isn't going to happen because Ruby cant learn, Weiss and Yang hasn't gone through the love triangle with Sun yet.
I actually really dislike the scene where Willow tells Weiss not to forget about Whitley. 1. Weiss says that Whitley wants nothing to do with her and Willow confirms that sentiment. Willow should have challenged that statement. Whitley is always the one to initiate interactions with Weiss and Weiss is the one whose attitude comes off as wanting nothing to do with him. Not only that, but Weiss accuses Whitley of hating her, but her actions toward Whitley come off as far more hateful and malicious than anything he has done to her on screen. 2. It is so strange for Willow to remind Weiss that she left Whitley alone with Jacques and her. She is both acknowledging that she is a bad mother and can't be trusted to treat Whitley well while simultaneously telling Weiss to treat him better. Doesn't she recognize how her blatant hypocrisy undermines her request? She should at least have conveyed that she wants to be a better mother rather than just accepting she is a bad mother and putting everything on Weiss. This show seems so meta at times. It's as if Weiss is a stand-in for the audience. Willow isn't telling Weiss to have sympathy for Whitley. She is telling the audience to have sympathy for Whitley. Whitley is not redeeming himself to his sister but to the audience, and Weiss is hugging him for doing what the audience would have wanted. When has Weiss ever acted like she believed Whitley was good inside? From their very first interaction she treated him like a villain. It would have been so much better if some other character pointed out the weirdness of Weiss and Whitley's relationship in a way that got her to reconsider her treatment of Whitley.
It's pretty messed up that Weiss, like the rest of the Team, can't accept that she's in the wrong for how she treats people, especially when they are trying to help you and be approachable (getting Sun flashbacks) and that Willow just accepts that's she's just a drunk and doesn't try to, y'know, help her son out herself.
@@randomcenturion7264 Honestly, I always felt that one of RWBY's biggest faults is that it can't ever haved the main team be blatantly in the wrong and own up to it. Blake ran away to join the White Fang out of he rown agency. Adam didn't manipulate her or force her to join. I'm also willing to bet Blake committed serious crimes in said group on her own. Yang trashed Junior's bar...and even if he had some shady dealings, it's pretty clear Yang wasn't there trying to be a hero but even close to a client looking for information on Raven. Her actions were motivated out of selfishness. Ruby lashed out at Ozma/Oscar...but to be honest: Ozma is the solw reason that Humanity has endured for centuries in the fight against the Grimm HE beuilt that Academies and founded the Huntsmen as a profession on his own. Show some gratitude. Salem is immortal and can't die? The same Salem whom has been alive just as long as Ozma? No duh! SO what id you want to do? GIve up and go home or do the same job you've been doing since day one: Fight the Grimm and keep pushing forward? Then there's everything said about Weiss. She, more than Whitley or Winter, is the most like her father in my opinion. I always felt her character arc should've been about her realizing that while she was emotionally NEGLECTED (I don't count that slap asasign that she was physically abused, at least not severely) she in turn has become the abuser towards her YOUNGER brother. Weiss is easily among the most judgmental of the main cast of everyone she meets, in a series all about the importance of individuality...and yet they try toact like she's the most developed. I loathe Weiss just because her entire character stance is the most in your face and fake.
If I’m being honest, Weiss was the best of the four MCs but that doesn’t mean I liked her. Ruby, Yang, and Blake were awfully written. Weiss was just boring. And I’ll take boring over awfully written.
I'd also take boring over awfully written. At least there's potential, or at the very least less to infuriate someone... ...unless you can laugh at it or have fun with it, then I might take the badly written version. I don't know. It depends on whether or not the writer or animator or whoever is having enough fun with it that it trascends from the page or the screen.
0:30 Weiss: I'm still leagues better than you! Me: Oh yeah right Bratgirl! Who the hell do you think you're kidding?! You literally NEVER WIN! Your only power is LOSING EVERY SINGLE BATTLE YOU'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH!!!
Whitley is a victim too, and I hate how they're treating him. He's a child, not a villain. It's heartbreaking to see the clear bias for Weiss over Whitley. As someone else in the comments pointed out, Weiss had a support system- *She* could escape the house, *she* had friends, *she* had power. Whitley doesn't have that. If anything, Weiss and Winter is part of the abuse inflicted on Whitley, as they've abandoned him and neglected him when he needed someone there to support him like they supported each other. It's the main reason why I dislike Weiss as a character.
This is ultimately the problem with a lot of characters in the show, hence why there is a lot of friction within the RWBY fandom. In one instance they have a character behaving ONE way, only to have them go the exact OPPOSITE the next... ADDING insult to injury many within the fandom keep EXCUSING these mistakes using any/all methods to do so... In reality it's terrible writing.... This has always been the problem with RWBY, it is an ambitious show, but always fails in execution... AND THEN, RWBY tries cover it up by having its characters be "SELF AWARE" of the issues and excuse them within the show itself... Pointing out that your series is contrived/stupid does not stop it from being contrived and stupid!!!
No character in RWBY has personality that won't change for a cheap one liner. Nothing in this show is safe if a cheap one liner moment can be gained. Anyone back from the dead, foundational power systems are meaningless and subject to change. The writers are too afraid to kill a main character, that's why clover was even written in just to die in the same season. Clover died in an attempt to satisfy the lack of stakes the writers had created. The writers need to stick with the world system they originally created and frankly ignore ships if it's not what they intended and want for the character. They are trying to get internet points, the internet is chaos, and the only way to please chaos is with chaos.
I honestly thought the writing was working Whitley up to turn to the dark side. Maybe join up with the villains for revenge. Didn't expect the writers to use his proactive actions as an excuse for Weiss to reconnect with her brother. Weiss waited for him to do something instead of the other way around. Weiss has lost alot of character points with me. I still think she is better than the other 3 but only barely now. I hope they dont take her down any further.
I think Yang is the most hated now. Or the least liked at the very least. Weiss still has a good enough amount of redeeming qualities, but she's slipping
I remember i commented on a previous video about these 2 characters, im glad you took the time to make this video with a more detailed observation explaining your pov. Although I can agree this was a moment of character development going backwards, it was only for a moment so its not that big of a deal. But i guess there's a lot of ground to cover this season and it does feel like a waste of time now that im writing it down.
I didn't find Weiss'es blindness too unbelievable, because I've known myself and others to have a harder time seeing what's in their own family, than in other people's. I mean, Whitely "never liked her" as she says in Vol 4, though, that could be because she never liked him either, as vol 8 would suggest. But some people are just unable to let go of their prejudice against their family. Even though her mom spelled it out for her, guilt is a powerful motivator to be blind--however, I'd think any one of her friends standing there who have all (especially Blake) had misunderstandings with their family, would have called her out for treating him so badly, and giving him the chance to stab them in the back. It's just luck that he ended up not being a prick, they gave him no reason not to sell them out. Also, I agree Weiss'es "make up" was the worst I've probably every heard outside of an anime, maybe.
I don’t think the writers care. At this point if they’re not trying to virtue signal they’re just trying to make money. There’s no passion and the effort is bare minimum.
Family dynamics are complicated. It’s a dysfunctional family. Of course they’ll be some hypocrisy bc one side only knows their perspective. I agree that Weiss should take some time to talk her brother at SOME point. But she left that environment (including her brother) for a reason. Whitley was always portrayed as Jacques shadow. Couldn’t be trusted. Whitley is a victim too, yes very much so. And his relationship with both his sisters were fractured and unhealthy because of the environment they all grew up in. The Schnee family is very bad at expressing or dealing with emotions effectively. Unstable environment, unhappy relationships, mom became an alcoholic, dad is a pompous prick. They each handled it in their own way. Weiss and Winter had each other, but Whitley? Not so much. So you can’t expect them to be all “lets solve all our family issues.” Winter and Weiss were close (in their own weird way) and look at them now. They’re divided and now Whitley and Weiss had a decent genuine encounter for probably the first time in several years. What’s wrong with that? She realized he may not be the same prick their dad is. Maybe they have more in common then they thought. A realization like that doesn’t happen overnight and words alone don’t mean much. It was the action he did that spoke for itself and got her attention. Everyone, whether you like Whitley or not, noticed it because his actions spoke louder than anything else. It was a breakthrough for him. Weiss would be an idiot if she didn’t notice or respond. She did. It was the first positive interaction between them in years. She didn’t expect much or anything from him. Relationships and communication are a two way street. Whitley initiated with positive action and Weiss responded positively. Prior to that, they just bickered. It’s unfair to say or claim that Weiss is a bad sister when the same could be said about Whitley as a brother. Weiss had her reasons. Whitley had his. Again, it’s a two way street. Weiss initially reacted negatively towards her brother as it always has been. Whitley stepped up and extended an olive branch. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed. So what’s the issue? Families are complex like that.
Volume 7 & 8 has done nothing but unironically justify just how bad team RWBY are as characters. They act like self righteous assholes while embodying the flaws they apperantly hate. It's almost like they've all become twitter self inserts...
Weiss was my least favorite RWBY team member, then she became both my favorite and at least the only tolerable one. But Volume 8 is starting to change that, until she apologizes to Whitley for only showing affection or care after he does ONE thing SHE approves of. The kid's a brat, but wasn't she at the start?
I'm really at the point where i think CRWBY don't even care to remember the previous character dynamics they established. Like seriously, if you're gonna have 2 characters interacting, make them more than just two flat pieces talking to each other for no reason. Do they have history, are things about them potential stresses for their relationship, do they dislike one another, do they want to kill each other? Do they secretly care for each other but hide it behind other actions? Consistency and execution make these kind of scenes so much better.
But you see, Weiss is forgivable because she's one of the main characters, of course! Who cares about Whitley, who is still struggling and trapped in a toxic family without anyone caring about him?? After all, Weiss was able to leave Atlas to pursue her dreams as a huntress (with her allowance still in tact, only being taken away when she started ignoring her father's calls)? He should've been FIIIIINE with Winter barely being home to protect him, his mother being a useless drunk and his father being emotionally abusive and manipulative!
Yup good olde MC privilege where the world revolves around you.
Don't forget that Weiss obviously can never be wrong. She's obviously always been a victim of her situation and has never done anything to justify any of the misfortunes that are a result of her actions.
This Protagonist Centered Morality the writers got going on with team RWBY has been really annoying ever since Volume 6.
They made Whitley seemed like he was redeemed or something for calling in the butler, but like he never needed redemption at all. Once again, they keep pulling the MC’s are the best characters and you should only like them stick, instead of actually working and giving these characters a story. They need to put work into actually making them likable instead of telling us that there are so likable
Whitley chastised Weiss for leaving(getting away from the influence of her oppressive and depressing family) but he has the ability to do the exact same thing.
When their mother pointed out that he doesn't want anything to do with her because she left him alone with them, it ignores the fact that he is a fully functioning person who has the ability to make choices for himself.
That line makes it seem like Weiss had 2 options either stay in the misery of living in the oppressive situation, or drag Whitley along with her regardless of whether he wants to go or not.
I'm so mad that the fandom hates Whitley, he's the same as Weiss but younger and with less power. Come on
It's because this fandom is double-standard as f*ck.
Also because he is a guy, you may not think that would be a problem for some but it surprisingly is.
It’s because the fandom has a double standard when it comes to male characters. If female characters have traumatic backstories, it justifies everything those characters have done in their minds (e.g.: Ilia and Emerald), while male characters with equally traumatic backstories don’t receive the same sympathy (e.g.: Adam and Mercury). I’m willing to bet that if they genderswapped Adam and Ilia, the stans would be worshiping Adam as an incredible character while calling Ilia an incel
@@YourLadyStar You're absolutely right, probably has something to do with the "older sibling knows better" dynamic to , when she said "go to your room" not sure though lol. 🤷♀️
@@masterzero7146 Don't forget about how Cinder got a bullshit backstory and suddenly everyone felt sorry for her, meanwhile, Ironwood, who's been through hell and back, is being butchered into generic crazy dictator because the writers don't want to admit they screwed up.
Ever notice how EVERY conversation with Whitley ALWAYS has Whitley initiate the conversation? Ever notice how Whitley, as bratty as he is, is always trying to strike up a conversation with Weiss? Yang complained about how Whitley wouldn't leave Weiss alone, which is interesting. Weiss claims that Whitley wants nothing to do with her, and yet every time Whitley is around, he tries to talk to Weiss. He's condescending, he's rude, he's annoying. But he's always trying to talk to her.
If anything, it's the opposite. It's not Whitley that wants nothing to do with Weiss. It's Weiss that wants nothing to do with Whitley.
It’s crazy. Even when Whitley was acting like a complete tool, he was always the one to strike up conversation.
Good catch! I didn't notice that. Obviously the writers didn't see it that way either.
Using it as a tool to make Whitley seem more annoying and deplorable.
That certainly sheds more light on Whitley's character. Even if that wasn't the intention by the writers.
If Weiss has enough to time to hang around her house and drink tea, then she has more than enough time to talk to her damn brother and check on her mom! Like seriously, they're literally under the same roof for God's sake
But then she couldn't do all the stuff Rooster Teeth believes are important for her to do... like sit around her house and drink some tea.
Yeah I mean the People of Atlas are being SLAUGHTERED Grimm. What do you expect the Protagonists to do drink TEA or SAVE LIVES.
RT: Oh yes Tea is MUCH more important than innocent people.
Marcelo Saunders Blake: Atlas may be "racist" but their tea is the shit
they would literally forget if they weren't in the same room
EXACTLY!! And I thought them coming back to the manor would lead to some interesting Schnee family interactions, but nope still have time for sitting and drinking tea tho.
Oh the bad writers are back on their bullshit? Shock horror
(Sarcastically) Shocker 😲
OH NO............
Anyway.
[Le Gasp]
Unfrigginbelievable
That implies they stopped at some point.
They're treating it like they've had this hugely antagonistic relationship where their father had played them off against each other, with Whitley as the clear favourite and being able to get with bullying Weiss, and using it gleefully. But that didn't happen, at least not on screen, and not really inferred anywhere in story.
THIS
Oh theyll probably confirm something like this somewhere off screen in like a video chat and call it a day.
@@aldairlara5582 Even if they do it wouldn't really make sense because Whitley is several years younger than Weiss (I think he's like 14?) Even if they pit them against each other, it's kinda hard to view Whitley as a direct antagonist considering he'd be barely into puberty in V1
@@ButterflyScarlet Yeah I know, Im not saying Whit should be viewed as an antagonist, Im just dissapointed as usual with they way things are written in the show.
I mean it's p obvious to me that jacques groomed whitley into the position of his perfect heir when he realized that he couldn't control weiss. How hard is it to manipulate a emotionally vulnerable child who's been abndoned by everyone in his life and is just looking for someone to be there for him? We've never been shown jacques actually be affectionate with whitley at all, in fact he seem to ignore him 90% of the time and the only time we've ever seen them interact, jacques literally yells at him to get out of his office. And what perks did whitley get out of being the perfect son? A picture on jacques' desk and a parking spot. That's it. Am I wrong in this interpretation? Bc I really don't want this to be what the writers intended AND whitley is still shit on by the fandom and in the show. I genuinely don't understand, am I supposed to laugh at the groomed /neglected/ abused boy getting wine dumped on him and a sword pointed at his face?
Honestly, it's clear they're writing the characters exactly how the fans want them to be written. Fandom can't comprehend how the main crew can ever be wrong and the writers follow suit. All four of them are written that way.
The reason why Weiss was the most enjoyable out of the four was because she was allowed to be wrong and grow. But now that she has been "reformed" she too now joins them.
It's just garbage writing from beginning to end.
I agree, you do want to write a story/show for an audience and demographic, but they shouldn’t let the fans control the story too much. The audience is there to witness the story, so the writers just should focus on creating that first. Also, constructive criticism can be fine and helpful too, but caving to the fans who send threats about how a two characters should get together or something minor, then you sacrifice so much to make these kinds of toxic people happy. The writers of this show is listen to the wrong fans, cause toxic fans will never be happy. They gotta put an actual story first. Also I agree with the writing being garbage from beginning to end!
I... really don't see that. Like, at all ^_^
- Blake's been shown as "wrong" plenty of times in regards to how she treated relationships and connections as something to run away from, treating herself like a bad luck charm that could only ever hurt people with her presence; Sun had to hammer it into her head that wanting to protect those kinds of connections are what give people strength and that it's not Blake's right to decide who people should or shouldn't feel is worth fighting for.
- Yang was treated as wrong for letting loss get to her and allowing Ruby to just walk off into danger. To a lesser extent, I think V6 might also have (surprisingly) treated Yang as wrong for how she bashed Raven - when she was in that position herself at Brushwick Farms, Yang made the same choice her mother did and advocated abandoning the world to Salem in favor of them saving themselves. Sure the Apathy Grimm influenced her, but they didn't create those feelings; they just fed what was already there after the reveals about Ozpin, and snapping out of it was what led her to realize just giving up would make everything they did pointless.
- For Ruby... well, frankly speaking, I think the entirety of V7-8's main plot is basically one big billboard saying "Ruby was wrong." The whole reason there's even a schism between them and Ironwood is because Ruby not only liked to him about Salem, but she *manipulated* him through those lies by having him focus on Amity Tower to reconnect the kingdoms instead of focusing on Atlas' defenses to protect Mantle's people. Now Salem's knocking on the door with their defenses not shored up and, because Ruby absconded with the Winter Maiden, Ironwood doesn't even have access to the Staff of Creation to try and save even the people in Atlas and is basically being forced by the situation to defend everyone (regardless of he has the manpower or resources to even do that) or let everyone die trying. Even Ruby's own team have fractured because they're not longer certain she's making the right calls.
- I'm pretty sure how Weiss initially gave Whitley the cold shoulder *is* being treated as a mistake, though(?). Do you remember in V1 how abysmally bad Weiss was at connecting with people? Well, retroactively apply that to her past life and you can probably get an idea of how interactions with her and Whitley must have been - which is to say not all that good since Whitley was arguably just as bad connecting to people as Weiss, made worse by him never getting out into the world like she eventually did. Furthermore, Weiss in the early volumes seemed to believe circumstances didn't dictate personage - that what mattered most was what a person chose to be, not where they came from; hell, half the basis of her argument with Blake was based on a seeming belief that no circumstances the faunus suffered could have justified the White Fang's actions. Is it really that surprising that misunderstanding of how much circumstances affect one's perceptions could have made her mistake Whitley as choosing to be like his father rather than simply not knowing better, much less that she's only realized now that this was a mistake?
The show is pissing me off. The best thing they’ve done is remove the RWBY cast by letting 3/4 girls fall into the damn pit. But I bet you they’ll just bring them back so Blake and Yang have a huge make out session. I’m done with this shit tbh.
@@mrmetroid1078 Sure….she has….that’s why there’s never and real consequences for her actions. She slapped Sun and she didn’t even apologize for that. But sure…….
This quote explains everything
Me: “Thank you.”
Vexed: “For what?”
Me: “For making sense.”
A gift that is rare in this day and age.
i can argue with his claims tho, I feel like whitley resembles or at least, resembled his father a lot. Because he wanted to be the heir, he wanted to be his father's favourite and acted like him. Do people forget all of the horrible things whitley claimed in the show? He probably looked a lot like Jacque to Weiss, so she instinctively judges him for that. And even though its cheap, him showing support for other people is a big step in stepping out of his father's shadows. I see what you're going for vex, but your theories need more thorough research.
hell, when she trusted Whitley, he let HER down.
@@CvntyPussyWIllow Pardon, but... when did Whitley let Weiss down? In Volume 4? All he did was act smarmy. He didn't 'influence' her into lashing out and getting her inheritance stolen; he just made it clear he had no problem with being the only heir.
Granted, I can believe that Weiss could be biased because he resembles their father. I'd be lying if I said I didn't get suspicious of people because they resembled an abusive boss or ex-lover. And him showing support for someone outside the family is a good way to show he's not like Jacques.
But when you talk about all the 'horrible things' he claimed... I guess I'm forgetting them, because I don't remember him doing anything aside from just being kind of smug. Granted, smug people are irritating, but in comparison to murderers and abusers like Cinder or Salem?
@@johnking9943 bruh, the whole of the volume 4 arc was about whitley trying to overthrow's weiss position. Did you forget this scene?
Weiss: you wanted this to happen?
Whitley: it's not wise to disobey father.
Ofcourse in his bitch little way. Weiss also said that whiteley never liked her, so if someone doesn't like you for all of time you've known them do you really think they suddenly are gonna have a Change of heart when their mother tells them to act nice? Your alcoholic mother that was part of the misery you endured. Ofcourse there are valid reason for the way whiteley acts, but you can say the same about weiss.
The chaotic nature of the writing leads me to believe good character moments are unplanned, they just happen. RWBY doesn't have "characters," it has "moments."
Mmm, yep! That's why folks like me buy into it so easily. I put practically no critical thought into what I watch. I leave that to people who are good at it.
I just take scenes as they come. As long as they evoke the right emotions at the time, I like it. I really never notice the inconsistencies and contradictions and faulty logic til I watch one these to explain it to me. ^_^;
“I really don’t like how they’re writing Weiss.”
WRITING?!
WHERE?!
They’re locked
Weiss: I'm a victim, feel bad for me!
Whitley: What about me?
Weiss: You're not a chick, you can't be a victim.
This show really knows what to do to make me hate it.
RIGHT
Say it how it is.
AMEN
Imagine males not within the main cast being written well. Oh wait.... let's see theres Ren, Oscar, arguably Jaune, oh and I guess Ozpin counts
I’ve noticed that too! The male characters are only there to elevate one of the female characters!
The entire "fix the schnee sibling relationship" thing should have been in volume 4 after the separation. Maybe it wouldn't have been such a shitshow then. It would also have continued Weiss' character progresson nicely and they wouldn't have to use such cheap ways to quickly tie up this subplot. If only they had a plan in the beggining.............
Like maybe as weiss is sneaking out have whitley confront her. Acting disinterested in her leaving until the end where the mask slips a bit, and he voices his hurt in being abandoned again as he leaves. Leaving weiss with something to think on later as she leaves.
@@icesoul17z Not gonna lie, I would just have her straight up not leave Atlas. Fight the battle at the homefront, so to speak.
(She was useless in Mistral anyway.)
Tamás Rehány Weiss: But I gotta showoff these sick summoning skills *Proceeds to get turned into a Schnee Mop*
@@tamasrehany6532 Honestly, yeah that would’ve been for the best especially since she went right back to Atlas any way. It would've been nice to see her in her element using her influence and popularity to undermine her father in subtle ways. Say like doing fund-raiser concerts that she would organize herself. Then donating the money to mantle or faunas rights groups. They could've used team FNKI is this endeavor since their whole theme is music. Actually, show off mantle and atlas. Have her prove herself to the people that she's changed and want to help those around her. Hell it would be the perfect time to introduce the happy huntresses. Her and May could really connect coming from similar backgrounds and all.
I disagree there. That was a relationship that couldn't be feasibly mended while their father was a factor. The only time they could mend it, from a writing standpoint, is either after Jock is arrested, or before Jock is arrested, to do it any other time their conflict would've had to be completely different. This is a good time to mend the relationship, they just botched the execution, which is pretty much the story of rwby as a whole.
Honestly my gripe with Weiss (and by extension Jaune) is that the only reason why she’s seen as the best developed character in team RWBY was because she was written to be mean at first
Weiss and Blake had the most potential with their backstories and of course the writers are wasting it. Ruby's only potential part of her backstory is that she never knew her mom and slowly became a Mary Sue. Yang had some potential with the "hunting down her mom for answers" backstory since it wasn't revenge-driven, unlike many using this similar backstory, but that was wasted after Volume 2
@@sagescribe_ yeah if you listen to rwby songs red like roses part 2 ruby is suppose to be broken and hurt about her mother death but we see that in the show. Yang nevered asked her mother why she left her. Weiss not getting to know her brother. I bet you could give this story to anyone they can do a better job than the rwby writers.
@@kinglightning5256 sad thing is the manga remembers that Ruby and Yang are sisters and remembered her weapons fetish and stage fright, vols 1 feels slow, vol 2 feels like filler and vol 3 moved way to fast in places it could have had 24 episodes if fights weren't so short or more fights like it's a tournament where were the fights, the group fights were so boring the only fight worth a damn is Yang vs Mercury and he was supposed to lose that fight
@@sdbzfan1 Wow you didn’t like vol 1-3? People who used to like rwby are getting tired of the show. So I’m surprised the people that didn’t like the show in the first place are still sticking around lol
@@snackeater4990 no i like them, im just saying their problems, vol 4 is boring, vol 5 is where the characters begin to suck, character stagnation isnt a problem its only one when you show characters grow and then move backwards like with Yang, vol 6 starts well and once they leave the farm the show reminds me they play to fans and not to tell a good story
"Go to your room. Stay out of sight. Don't get involved." Weiss sighs, before smiling softly and adding, "We'll talk, later."
That would've been all they needed to add, even if we didn't get to see the conversation; wouldn't be the first they skipped over, if they had. Don't sacrifice character development for a quick laugh.
@Matthew W Jr. Hasch There is a library of superior writers who are on fan fiction sites who would gladly step in (even for an episode or two at a time). Just have another one of their 'contests' where instead of some surface-level addition they actually bring someone on to write an episode for them with guidelines.
That would be good writing,we don't do that here.
It doesn't matter, they sold out to a corporation that puts money first, public option second, and actual good writing and storytelling 12th.
@TenebrousFilms Oh, you mean like Salem's conversation with Tyrian in Volume 5 or Tyrian and Hazel massacring Mistral's huntsmen?
@Matthew W Jr. Hasch Plus, Logan Thirtyacre has a massive ego issue according to so many UA-camrs.
I really hated how the majority of the fandom saw Weiss pointing her weapon at her own brother without any empathy like that and reacted with, *“YAS QUEEN!!!!❤️”*
I had that reaction, cause I saw that part out of context.
After knowing what really happened I was like "bitch, are you I have stupid-?"
Also weiss knows he is defenceless and he wants him to harbor criminals in his home right after his father was arrested
3:34 This, right here, has been bothering me since the episode aired. Weiss has been giving her brother the cold shoulder, treating him as an antagonist, and despite all that, he decides to be the bigger Schnee and get Nora a doctor. And she's just like, "Yep. That's cool."
Here's what I feel they should have done:
Whitley: "That girl needs a doctor. I didn't do it for you."
Weiss: (Looks down with regret). "I know." (She looks back up) "Whitley... I'm sorry."
(Whitley turns to her in surprise).
Weiss: "I spent so long scared and worried for myself... that I never thought about what you were going through." (She turns from him) "I thought I was becoming a better person by defying Father..." (Looks back to him) "But I forgot to become a better sister." (She gives a small, sheepish smile) "Thank you."
Whitley: (Can have a moment where he seems touched. Maybe gives her a small nod or something before Penny's landing distracts them)
Granted, I still feel that we should've gotten a scene where they talked before he called Klein, but I'll need some time to figure that one out. For now, let me know what you think; I'm hoping to write a novel one day, so I could really use the feedback.
Its fantastic! You put more effort in writing that one scene then the writers of RWBY have the entire season thus far. Also this may or may not apply to you but I feel like I need to say it. I think people should stop rewriting/remaking RWBY. They're wasting their time, energy, & talent to try to fix something that's completely f*cked (and getting worse) instead of using that to create something new and better.
This would've made that scene much much more earned, good job be sure to add a scene before this that covers the Schnees (Mother, Daughter, and Son) having a serious yet heartwarming discussion of the family grievances they've held in for so long.
Also as someone who is aspiring to be a writer I wish you the best of luck.
@@upjohn1715 Thank you. Best of luck to you as well. No matter how tough it gets; you've got a story to tell. And there's going to be someone out there who would love to read it. :)
@@johnking9943 Same to you my friend.
I'm think of writing a book series some day, but right now I'm writing it disguised as a RWBY fanfic just to see how the narrative and characters get received.
The writers desires to write men as either: incompetent or _EVIL_ is understated.
Like for real, the amount of male characters who've been washed, forgotten or had their personalities ramped up for the sake of a plot device is suffocating.
Swear Miles & Kerry will cater to the worst common denominator if it means they'll be stepped on in office.
Qrow was the most sympathetic male character. But you saw how that turned out.......
@@snackeater4990 and Ren was to be the most level headed and then they started steering him in to a Ironwood and then Ironwood who was written to be this complicated anti-hero who went crazy and became full murder with nothing of his former glory and Jaune can we not get into him
@@kingxeno4794 The problem with Ren is that he barely does anything
Then when they try to make the female characters "competent" its horribly written.
@@snackeater4990 that too
The reason Whitley is not treated equally to Weiss when they both have the same upbringing is because the fandom and CRWBY are biased against the male characters. Ever noticed how all of the female villains get sob stories to make the audience feel bad and have a chance for redemption (e.g. Ilia, Raven, Emerald, Salem), while the male villains aren’t given the same treatment despite having equal if not worse backstories (e.g.: Adam, Mercury)? The most recent and blatant example is Cinder's origin episode, where the stans are now fawning all over her and acting as if her childhood trauma justifies all of her actions (check the reaction channels after Watts roasts Cinder), while they still call Adam the scum of the Earth
Yeah, The writers are really hard on for the female characters, Males suck, Besides Neptune.. The only male character they like, Even though he sucks in the main show
Feminism!!
Feminist at its finest
@@pathetic2399 And the female sob stories aren't tragic at all. Cinder, Salem and Ilia were and are shitty people. Adam and Mercury had tragic stories but Adam most of all got completely shit on so they could replace him with Ilia.
@@eizlaniskandar7946 Badly handled feminism at that
Best girl is falling further from grace
Oh well at least she’s not demoted to being a literal prop like Blake kek
Don't jinx it bro
It could happen
Remember when rwby was good ?
@@Taker369 i remember pyyrah one of the only good characters there
@@Taker369 No?
Except for maybe like, the latter half of Volume 3, when there was actual tension and stakes for a brief couple of hours.
SHE'S A VICTIM... of CRWBY's terrible writing.
1:03 "I mean the reason why so many fans like her stems from her character development."
Maybe fans like you Vex, but we all know what the overwhelming majority of this fandom *really* cares about.
P L O T
her ship with Ruby?
Yeah plot
Actually, at this point, I honestly wonder? Like when do the 'shippers' or just 'bad RWBY denialists' lose out to the 'this show is so bad that I have built a youtube community about how bad it is' viewers? When does the majority of people actually watching this show become people looking for content through criticism?
@@dennmael4044 You know, the comments who said "plot" were being sarcastic.....
That "Redeeming" scene for whitley was executed very very poorly.
But on the bright side, like EruptionFang said.
I'm glad this whole sibling drama is over
Assuming you could even call it "drama" in the first place, it was kinda pointless tbh.
It honestly feels like another Schnee plotpoint resolved too easily or quickly. Jacques was taken down very quickly with no struggle as the key to beating him was handed over on a silver platter. And now Whitley is "redeemed" through a quick phone call after being treated like a villain. And yeah, he was a brat, but he was certainly no villain. The best thing to do I think was without making Whitley look like the bad guy would be to have Weiss just sit and talk with him. I feel like what we got was just a half-baked cheap version of that
Dylano Revs That is until Winter comes to get talk no jutsu'd into toppling that "big fat meany" Ironwood
@@austin9568AuraMasterDX Oh fuck, I forgot her and the AceOps were getting "redeemed", I guess Winter's about to become just as unlikeable as the main characters😑
@@HoV326 EruptionFang: "to the fandom it was seen as good enough"
It's there to say it has some type of conclusion even if it's the bare minimum.
Even the fans don't seem to noticed the problem.
Whitley’s semblence is being hated by everyone
@@coreyflowers6800 I kinda want that to be the case so Weiss just has a moment to herself wondering why she was being so harsh on the kid for just being snarky
Cognitive dissonance my dude, their perception of RWBY is so warped that the concepts of constructive criticism and world building no longer exist in their feeble minds.
@@lynxfresh5214 That's a rather interesting statement
@@coreyflowers6800 really? Are the fans dumb not to see what’s wrong with the picture? 😕
They're probably going to kill off Whitley just so Weiss can feel bad about being blind to her brother's hardships.
that requires the writers to have the insight that Weiss was in the wrong in the first place.
That sounds like common sense, you are in the wrong fandom if you are asking for that.
Whitely: I long for the sweet embrace of death.
Angel Roman: Trust me kid, it's way better up here than down there. I'm still waiting on my favorite Gal Pal to join me.
I get the feeling that scene where Weiss tells Whitely to go to his room, Miles and Kerry expected the audience to be like ‘Yasss, Queen! You tell that brat what is what. Whooo girl yas.’ But all it ended up doing was making everyone start to dislike her for down right being so insensitive and for pointing her weapon not only at a child but her own brother. I’m still shocked there are still legit die hard fans of this show.
On a more happier note, Vexed how much I gotta pay for you to upload everyday. I’ve been binging your videos so much that i’m running out of them to watch. You can’t imagine how quick I clicked when I saw you upload. I hope you see this and Love ya and your work man, keep it up👍.
oh yeah there are people that literally don't think about this show. They love it which is fine but a lot of their reasons are just dumb.
the sad thing is there probably are several reactions to the episode where the girls reacting literally go "yassss queen" or something in similar manner on weiss pointing weapon on her own brother ,who endured worse than she had (remember, she couldn't handle it and escaped while he was left to deal with this shit), and then bossing him around, telling him to go to his room.
Though from RT writing I expected Whitley to rat out weiss & co (understandably), be full on villain(like every other white male who isn't simping for team RWBY), and then get beaten to show his place (most likely by weiss bitchslapping him for another yaaass queen moment), so yeah, them having him actually do something good was pretty surprising (even if still poorly written).
@@nocebo5792 The biggest example is the reaction channel "sunny" and she just berates Whitley. A few reaction channels called Weiss out, most didn't react, and others just smirked at what Weiss did
I feel like they might have thought the weapon pointing wasn't a big deal cause on the face of it, its just a sword, and her rapier is one of the least imposing weapons. Picture it if Weiss was pointing a gun at him - the scene becomes much more shocking and uncalled for, despite the actual threat being the same, because Myrtenaster it is just as lethal as one.
Just makes less sense the more you think about it, such a terrible moment that totally overshadows the story of Whitley overcoming his background which could have been really interesting and nice to see.
@@MiffedStarfish053 Did you, uh... did you forget that Weiss's sword can attack at range?
The show utterly refuses to frame their main protagonists in the wrong so they made Whitley (the helpless victim) take the initiative to mend things between him and Weiss, as if Whitley is to blame for why Weiss is such a shitty sister to him
They seem to have a similar approach to protagonists (particularly female protagonists) as Rian Johnson. They're always in the right...no matter what,
Personally I don't think I've ever seen a show that struggles so much to create sibling dynamic ever in my life than in RWBY, but that's just my opinion....
Our best girl has fallen! 😭😭😭
Leave it to rooster teeth to ruin the best character they’ve had going
Cough Cough IRONWOOD. Cough.
Well we’ll well RT I mean after RvB zero potential can we really be surprised anymore.
@@devildolphin2102
Weiss and Ironwood were the only good characters with Yang...
Look how they massacred my people.
She’s always sucked
I don't really see how she's more bad now other than her constant monologues about atlas or her instantly getting along with Whitley.
the writers just dont know actual human emotions between siblings, friends and such, I'm like 100% sure they only got yes men in the story board room
Anyone else believe he originally wasn't meant to be a corrupt man...? Because the way Weiss talked about how difficult it at home back when her father was stressed about what the white fang was going in the vol 2, she didn't sound like she hated him. In fact, if he really was terrible, Winter wouldn't have made it as a taunt for Weiss to go back home when he cut her off! I believed from there that he was a strict but caring father. Why else would he personally go pick up his daughter by the end of vol 3? And then.... His first speaking appearance.
Yeah, I had the same impression at first and I couldn't understand if it was me totaly misunderstanding the foreshadowing or me using too much my immagination.
Than the next Volumes happened and I realized it: without Monty, Miles Luna wasn't able to write morraly grey characters. Everyone who hadn't been introduced as totaly good, like team RWBY or team JNPR, had to be a villain
This video honestly made me realize how much males who are abused are shut down upon. While, the females and the fans are like “oh my god you’ve suffered so much!! You deserve all the love!”
So, first as you said in the video Whitley is also the same victim as much as Weiss is. (And Winter) but, the fans are honestly head over heels for Weiss. While like 95% of the fandom LOVE Weiss. And the other 5% just like Whitley. The poor boy followed his fathers orders so he didn’t get abused or treated wrongly like the sisters did. He was smart in that aspect.
Now, moving on, let’s go to another abuse victim, that many people don’t really notice, or well hell...even care about. The Ozma incarnations. In v6 he’s desperately trying to hide the truth from the group and Oscar. Yet fails in doing so. But while they come back from the vision he gets yelled at for what? Lying? He didn’t lie. When did the group ever ask about what truly happened at Beacon? Why he reincarnated...they never did. Never on screen at least, and that’s the issue. Ozma has been abused for many years, the amount of times he’s been roaming the world. And everyone praises Salem? Seriously? This immortal witch who killed his kids, ruined his past lives, over and over again. And traumatized him. That’s just heartless.
People often forget that Ozpin didn’t know what truly happened after he died. It was a surprise as much as it was to the others. The fact he was crying shows that much, of how he was blinded to begin with, when Salem was truly changing...he was blind to it before it was too late.
It’s okay to have your favorite character, but not understanding the other side of the coin is rather...sad. And not mentioning of the abuse that the male characters go through.
Now watch someone go, "Oh, but anime been doing the same to female characters for years, so EyE fOr aN eYE right?
And I think a lot has been said already about dirty they did Qrow and Adam.
The writers just don't care.
@@ProxyDoug oh yeah, definitely. Qrow’s drunk ness and depression is nothing to laugh at. Yeah, he’s slightly amusing during his moments. But what became of this state of mind he’s in? Summer’s death? The fall of his team? The way his semblance caused something? Well never know until we explore more of his character.
Adam, well, Being abused AND branded by the Schnee company. And Blake never brought it up? Weiss should’ve been with Blake during that whole fight. But let’s just throw more potential development out the window. Since we need a shipping moment. Cause if that doesn’t happen, fans will go crazy and..yeah..
To me it's even worse they planned on having Adam receive his scar by an argument he had when he was a slave...... Do these writer know nothing about slavery?!?!?!?!
It has nothing to do with being an man. He could of become an huntress and escaped but choose not to because he thought it was beneath him. His problems are his own fault.
You expected competency out of these writers?
It says a lot about the fandom of this show that they show sympathy and understanding for Weiss when they find out her backstory. But continue to treat Whitley like he's an annoying brat despite him having the same circumstances. It's like the only way these "real fans" of the show can watch it is by cherry picking what they want to remember so it fits their head cannon. Ignoring the problems in a show can be done if the show has so many other positives that the few negatives don't ruin the experience. Unfortunately RWBY ain't one of those shows and the sooner people realize that the faster this show can improve itself.
Dope video sorry for the tangent.
According to the FNDM, Whitley "finally became a decent human being" in this episode. But in V1, Weiss saving Ruby from the deathstalker was seen as "finally revealing her soft side". So Weiss was always a decent human being, but Whitley wasn't, despite behaving similarly. Interesting.
V8 has taught me one thing: The writers can do absolutely no wrong in the fans eyes. They can pull anything out of their ass, no matter how nonsensical/poorly executed (Saying Ruby's semblance has no mass, Ironwood's semblance, Ironwood shooting someone for no reason, Weiss' behavior towards Whitley, etc) and the fans will accept it without question. I'm done.
"The writers can do absolutely no wrong in the fans eyes." How do you think they stuck around for so long despite the trash tier writing?
Yet despite the absurd moments with her little bro, Weiss IS still a better written big sister than Yang...
That's kinda impressive in a "disturbing" way lol!
Raven is a better big sister then Yang and she tried to kill Qrow, But at least she acknowledged his existence.
Yang is the worst sister on remnant
How many times has Ruby and Yang being siblings been brought up since Bumblebee was acknowledged as a relationship by the show?
If you got someone who was new to RWBY and showed just the current volumes would they even be able to tell that Ruby and Yang are sisters?
@@dime-a-thousand8002 They state they are sisters by other characters, But it would be hard to tell, Since Ruby and Yang have not have a verbal scene together to my memory since volume 5
The difference between vomit and crap that's not a good comparison.
Welcome to RWBY. Where female victims are sympithized and male victims are told to get over it.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Salem's gotten ahold of the Relic of knowledge, has Kidnapped Ozpin/Oscar, has the password to summon jhin, has all but completely overwhelmed Atlas with her Grimm army and Is so secure in her victory that she sent away two of her best fighters ahead to the next city.
This could quite literally be the last time she see's her brother and Weiss has basically completely abandoned her bro.
Honestly I'm more confused that the writers seem to be aware that her brother has had as hard of a time as Wiess, as shown in the meeting with her mother, but then go ahead and do this shit anyway... I mean, in the scenario that they weren't aware in the first place and the meeting with Wiess' mother never happened, it would be more understandable as just more bad writing but I'm just confused as to why they would specifically make note of her brother being under pressure and then make Wiess act like this. It's as if they wanted her to regress as a character.
It is because of Whitleys Y chromosome. I am certain of it.
Because for some reason they thought it was a good idea to treat the "you left him here alone with us" scene as a """plot twist""" reveL that whitley has been a victim all a long when many fans have already put 2 and 2 together even as early as v4 and it was only the idiotic walnuts in the fandom who actually believed whitley wasn't also a victim up until that point. So they had to treat whitley like shit up to that point ig?? I really cannot fathom writing a character that is meant to be actively abused and isolated and just... Shitting on them continuously.
As someone who has fought with siblings that moment with Weis was pathetic. If I was her bro I would have gave the cold shoulder and shoved off. Not long ago I had a fight with my sis and she dragged out mom into it and they both ganged on me and tore me down emotionally and yelled. And after our mom was done my sis tries to hug me like if she deserved one especially since she never apologized. I gave her the cold shoulder and she went ballistic showing me her half ass attempt at a sister hug was not genuine. Only a week later when she actually apologized did I open myself to hug her. So yeah not surprised this show fucks up anything trying to be genuine relationships.
The fact she pointed a weapon at her brother I would not speak to my sister for a long time.
New flash: They're making us hate EVERY character.
This whole “redemption arc” by Whitley feels like damage control after Weiss’s “go to your room” moment. Of course, the fandom ate that shit up though so I guess it worked.
Now I feel I wasted money on a Weiss body pillow man i should have went for the other one!!!
Other one?
@@theculturallyenrichedindiv8753 the other body pillow
Who was the other option? 👀
@@strudelh Blake or ruby rose
@@alvinwhitehead1069 You know, for a second I thought you were talking about Winter or Willow.
*Every character obtaining a negative stigma*
Rooster Teeth: Objective Complete
4:01 ‘’Let’s hug and pretend the fans won’t realize how cheap this is’’
Trust me they won’t, you don’t have to pretend
Literally threatened her little brother for no reason with a weapon.
And got away with it because she’s a main character.
Not a very “Weiss” decision on RT’s part
Sorry, I had to “Schnee”k in a joke
I "Schnee" what you did there
That was quite the “Schnee Slapper” right there. 😂😂
DAMMIT BARB!!!!
I know Barb has informed us that "It's a cartooooon",but lets be real; if you, a teenage "huntress", has death incarnate attack your home city, the FIRST thing you'd do is check on remaining family members who are in the the same building as you. I mean damn, even if my sibling was annoying, I'd at least put it aside since we could die at any moment, and I certainly wouldn't point a fucking lance at them.
It seems that they don't won't to treat that scene (along with many other scenes) seriously, and only what 'they' feel is serious enough to warrant attention. That dumb excuse that Barb has stated can actually be turned against her (or anyone that agrees with that statement). It means you can also use that excuse on her and others when there are 'certain moments' they want you to take seriously. If they don't want certain scenes (that are supposed to be taken seriously) to be taken seriously, then that means the scenes they 'feel' is important can't also be taken seriously. For example, all of the shipping she and some others want to be taken seriously. However, by her own words, it shouldn't be taken seriously sense 'It's a cartooon!'. So she and others shouldn't be surprised there are people who're just flat out ignoring the 'shipping' aspect when they are ignoring aspects that are supposed to be serious to begin with (story,lore, etc.).
Weiss and Whitley's arc feels a lot like her arc with Blake and Weiss. She doesn't work towards anything in the arc, it just has other characters do stuff to prove that she was wrong about them and she recognizes the fact. It lacks agency on her part because she does nothing to work towards encouraging them to do the things that makes her change her mind about them, they just happen without her actually taking part in what in an arc she's involved in.
What concerns me is that this isn't the first time they did it. They did it in Volume 1, when the writers were inexperienced and still trying to figure out what they were doing with the show. That was the only major criticism of Volume 1 I can remember. That the plotline lacked an important character moment for Weiss, who was central to it. It's one thing to make a mistake once, it's another to continue making that mistake. It means that for all you've learned, you still haven't changed.
Whitley needs more love, honestly. That's all I'm going to say.
I hate that scene: if whoever called Klein was anyone else, Weiss would have hugged that someone. But in this case it was Weetley, not because he's her younger brother, but because he brought the butler.
I feel so bad for Whitley now. I, like most of the fandom, didn't like him at first, but now, the poor kid was basically a victim of poor parenting and two elder sisters who didn't give a damn about their brother. Both had the power to leave that life, but Whitley didn't, leaving him at the focus of their father's crap parenting.
Inconsistency is what happen when you don’t have a professional staff, they are no coworkers, they wont do quality check for their goddamn show or check the continuity caiuse they just stack cool moment one other the other. Well. Cool for thel that is.
I used to love RWBY and watch it without realising it had flaws like any other show, then i watched a 3 hour long video essay by (HBomberguy) and tried to make up excuses about why thing where that way, until I realised that RWBY really should NOT have been made by people who think feel good moments, the power of friendship and plot armour are all you need to start and keep a show alive.
It was a good show up to season 3.
It worked for Fairy Tail somehow.
Why can’t Weiss just see her brother as her fucking brother?!
Because in Remnant, men a pretty much seen as subhuman.
@@randomcenturion7264 I guess that is pretty true
Honestly as a RWBY fan I’m ashamed that a large part of the fandom are trying to justify Weiss’s attitude towards Whitley, she of all people should be able to empathize with and understand why Whitley is the way he is.
Is so funny see the Weiss fans try to defend her for being the worst older sibling ever lmao
Yang still has her beat I feel.
Imagine if it was MAY who pointed her weapon at Whitley when they are about to Enter the Schnee Manor and Weiss having to stand up for her brother at that moment. Would have been a parallel to May having a grudge on Whitley because she reminds him of Henry and show Weiss that despite the differences, NO ONE SHOULD POINT THEIR WEAPON TO A CHILD.
*(Noise of sipping tea intensifies)*
This is just so cheap, it's simply depressing how much this show has gotten downhill and the "emotional" scenes feel so empty.
...has *nobody* mentioned that she's BLUSHING as she's telling him to go to his room when her little brother is at his lowest, weakest, most *pathetic* point?
I think she likes being the abusive one for once a little *too* much.
…good god I didn’t notice that.
At this point I think CRDL is my favorite (heck I will take Cardin then weiss) because for God’s sake these heroes are disgusting.
Whitley's "arc" was probably the last thing the show had in which we can get the good guys being criticized for their actions/lack of actions and they ruined it.
Blake "abandoning" the team was never an issue, Team RWBY being criticized for the Cordovin mecha fiasco was nulled, Blake and Yang killing Adam is irrelevant, Blake and Yang giving away the Amity secret is never brought up, Weiss never telling the truth about Oz and the Relic even though Winter told her about the Winter Maiden is irrelevant, etc.
Anyone who ever felt slighted by the protagonists either died, been villainized, or just forgives them.
Honestly, Blake “abandoning” the team really wasn’t an issue. She had zero obligation to stay with any of them. And yeah, I know that Blake’s storyline is trash, but at the same time it’s there, and I hate when people act like Blake owed Yang anything, despite the fact that Blake was also “traumatized” as well from seeing her abusive ex and him threatening everything she loved.
All these issues that the series want people to believe are issues, aren’t actual issues
That hug was damage control from the writers.
That moment, like the rest of this show, made me feel nothing. I didn’t care. Why should I care something that the writers clearly don’t have any care for? Its empty...
Whitley has literally been more intelligent than any of the RWBY team during the whole time we see him.
My dislike of weiss started with her combat style after volume 4
whitley was no where near as bad as weiss was in the beginning
Yeah I don't like that she ain't realized that yet. She still treating him like dirt and she pretty unlikeable now. Hope they fix that
You know, It would pretty interesting if Whitley ended up just snapping, possibly pimp slapping Weiss or hell getting high of dust to give him power and literally start destroying everything would have been a better setup. Am I wrong?
Whitley literally didn’t do anything to NEED to be redeemed. He is actually even MORE alone than Weiss was bc she had Winter. And to add more salt to the wound, When they get to the manor Whitley even says that their mother locked herself in her room drinking after Jacques was arrested and did Weiss ever bother to check on her? Nope!
this just means that the rwby fandom is more capable of writing the rwby story way better than team themselves tbh.
Honestly I could see why Whitley was so hated for so long. He stole Wiess' inheritance and seemed so uncaring towards her. "Its rude to disobey fathers wishes" stuck in the whole fandoms mind like crazy glue
Then I saw him again, pokeing his head into Jaques office in a much more timid manner. Watts' little "a spitting image of you" line is also telling. He's a spitting image of his dad because out of Fight, Flight, or Freeze he chose "Fawn". "Fawn" as in "Do as they say and nothing bad will happen" while his sisters picked a mix of fight and flight as Willow was frozen
He's a mini Jaques and that's by design.
And Weiss has NO RIGHT treating her OWN. FUCKING. BROTHER. LIKE THAT
WHITLEY IS A FUCKING KID. AT THE VERY MOST HE'S 16 AND SHE PUT A SWORD IN HIS FACE
He didn't steal anything. She lost it on her own and tried to blame him for it and the fanbase just blindly accepts whatever RWBY says as unvarnished truth.
@@skeksilthechamberlain1479 no I meant from our POV he did because it was Weiss' pov
@@apinchofstars5465 Honestly that's kind of the creators fault. One thing happens onscreen but the characters often say the opposite happened. Considering how many "animation errors" there are I wouldn't be surprised if there was barely any quality control.
Yeah her sticking a sword in his face was in really bad taste on the writers part
She doesn’t even apologize for it.
Biggest problem I had with this scene is that there treating Weiss and Whitley like they had some major breakthrough.
When they had absolutely no dialogue or interaction with each other whatsoever!
Please is there *any* good characters left on this show? Like at least by RWBY standards.
I am hesitant to say Jaune of all people
Ironwood? I don’t know tbh, I still like his character despite what the writers are doing with him. He’s the only good one left for me, but that’s not saying much.
Like you said...RWBY standards 😒
Good or "good" cause I would say Mercury has stay over all the same and is Good, Emerald is ticking me off with her back and forth like they wanna pull a Zuko but can't do it right, but other wise I would say Any season 1 character that isn't the main teams which sucks because Ren and Blake were my picks and now look at them, Nora is not as good as season 1 making me think Gag characters should just stay jokes
@@crimson1million Penny ironically, despite how annoying she was in V7
Tyrian is pretty good.
Bro, I swear, I almost just straight up SCREAMED when I saw just the title, but the content of the video... omg. It was like someone ripping out the same thoughts I have been holding this entire time.
You've been real quiet since the finale came out 🤐🤫
"But Team RWBY are perfect, they are the good guys!!!!" -random RT fan.
Hey Weiss, Rapunzel called she wants her haircut back
Even though Miles Edgeworth thought Sebastian was annoying he still took the time to explain why his way of doing things was wrong as Edgeworth was in a similar predicament. Gamora saved her sister and forgave her after she gave up killing her and understood why she was so angry but here I feel like there were parts cut out which is too bad since I hoped more for this than the Ironwood storyline
Tbh Weiss writing has been since volume 7. They again took a character development from volume 3 and made it worst. Also, it seems Rooster Teeth has a big problem with consistency, so they are being lazy and dumbing Weiss down to make her average like the other 3 rather then building the other 3, but that isn't going to happen because Ruby cant learn, Weiss and Yang hasn't gone through the love triangle with Sun yet.
I actually really dislike the scene where Willow tells Weiss not to forget about Whitley.
1. Weiss says that Whitley wants nothing to do with her and Willow confirms that sentiment. Willow should have challenged that statement. Whitley is always the one to initiate interactions with Weiss and Weiss is the one whose attitude comes off as wanting nothing to do with him. Not only that, but Weiss accuses Whitley of hating her, but her actions toward Whitley come off as far more hateful and malicious than anything he has done to her on screen.
2. It is so strange for Willow to remind Weiss that she left Whitley alone with Jacques and her. She is both acknowledging that she is a bad mother and can't be trusted to treat Whitley well while simultaneously telling Weiss to treat him better. Doesn't she recognize how her blatant hypocrisy undermines her request? She should at least have conveyed that she wants to be a better mother rather than just accepting she is a bad mother and putting everything on Weiss.
This show seems so meta at times. It's as if Weiss is a stand-in for the audience. Willow isn't telling Weiss to have sympathy for Whitley. She is telling the audience to have sympathy for Whitley. Whitley is not redeeming himself to his sister but to the audience, and Weiss is hugging him for doing what the audience would have wanted. When has Weiss ever acted like she believed Whitley was good inside? From their very first interaction she treated him like a villain.
It would have been so much better if some other character pointed out the weirdness of Weiss and Whitley's relationship in a way that got her to reconsider her treatment of Whitley.
It's pretty messed up that Weiss, like the rest of the Team, can't accept that she's in the wrong for how she treats people, especially when they are trying to help you and be approachable (getting Sun flashbacks) and that Willow just accepts that's she's just a drunk and doesn't try to, y'know, help her son out herself.
@@randomcenturion7264 Honestly, I always felt that one of RWBY's biggest faults is that it can't ever haved the main team be blatantly in the wrong and own up to it.
Blake ran away to join the White Fang out of he rown agency. Adam didn't manipulate her or force her to join. I'm also willing to bet Blake committed serious crimes in said group on her own.
Yang trashed Junior's bar...and even if he had some shady dealings, it's pretty clear Yang wasn't there trying to be a hero but even close to a client looking for information on Raven. Her actions were motivated out of selfishness.
Ruby lashed out at Ozma/Oscar...but to be honest: Ozma is the solw reason that Humanity has endured for centuries in the fight against the Grimm HE beuilt that Academies and founded the Huntsmen as a profession on his own. Show some gratitude.
Salem is immortal and can't die? The same Salem whom has been alive just as long as Ozma? No duh! SO what id you want to do? GIve up and go home or do the same job you've been doing since day one: Fight the Grimm and keep pushing forward?
Then there's everything said about Weiss. She, more than Whitley or Winter, is the most like her father in my opinion. I always felt her character arc should've been about her realizing that while she was emotionally NEGLECTED (I don't count that slap asasign that she was physically abused, at least not severely) she in turn has become the abuser towards her YOUNGER brother.
Weiss is easily among the most judgmental of the main cast of everyone she meets, in a series all about the importance of individuality...and yet they try toact like she's the most developed. I loathe Weiss just because her entire character stance is the most in your face and fake.
Weiss is turning into a Karen before our eye's😆😂💀
Eyes
If I’m being honest, Weiss was the best of the four MCs but that doesn’t mean I liked her. Ruby, Yang, and Blake were awfully written. Weiss was just boring.
And I’ll take boring over awfully written.
Blake was the boring one, not Weiss lol
I'd also take boring over awfully written. At least there's potential, or at the very least less to infuriate someone...
...unless you can laugh at it or have fun with it, then I might take the badly written version. I don't know. It depends on whether or not the writer or animator or whoever is having enough fun with it that it trascends from the page or the screen.
0:30
Weiss: I'm still leagues better than you!
Me: Oh yeah right Bratgirl! Who the hell do you think you're kidding?! You literally NEVER WIN!
Your only power is LOSING EVERY SINGLE BATTLE YOU'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH!!!
The only fight she won (that wasn’t against fodder Grimm) was against Marrow and he didn’t want to fight or use his OP semblance to stop her.
@@thomasraines1396 Exactly.
Marrow had way too much pity for the little princess to even TRY fighting her!
@@DamontheDemon7 yep it’s insane.
Whitley is a victim too, and I hate how they're treating him. He's a child, not a villain. It's heartbreaking to see the clear bias for Weiss over Whitley. As someone else in the comments pointed out, Weiss had a support system- *She* could escape the house, *she* had friends, *she* had power. Whitley doesn't have that. If anything, Weiss and Winter is part of the abuse inflicted on Whitley, as they've abandoned him and neglected him when he needed someone there to support him like they supported each other. It's the main reason why I dislike Weiss as a character.
Finally, this is out.
This is ultimately the problem with a lot of characters in the show, hence why there is a lot of friction within the RWBY fandom. In one instance they have a character behaving ONE way, only to have them go the exact OPPOSITE the next...
ADDING insult to injury many within the fandom keep EXCUSING these mistakes using any/all methods to do so...
In reality it's terrible writing....
This has always been the problem with RWBY, it is an ambitious show, but always fails in execution...
AND THEN, RWBY tries cover it up by having its characters be "SELF AWARE" of the issues and excuse them within the show itself... Pointing out that your series is contrived/stupid does not stop it from being contrived and stupid!!!
No character in RWBY has personality that won't change for a cheap one liner. Nothing in this show is safe if a cheap one liner moment can be gained. Anyone back from the dead, foundational power systems are meaningless and subject to change. The writers are too afraid to kill a main character, that's why clover was even written in just to die in the same season. Clover died in an attempt to satisfy the lack of stakes the writers had created. The writers need to stick with the world system they originally created and frankly ignore ships if it's not what they intended and want for the character. They are trying to get internet points, the internet is chaos, and the only way to please chaos is with chaos.
I honestly thought the writing was working Whitley up to turn to the dark side. Maybe join up with the villains for revenge.
Didn't expect the writers to use his proactive actions as an excuse for Weiss to reconnect with her brother. Weiss waited for him to do something instead of the other way around.
Weiss has lost alot of character points with me. I still think she is better than the other 3 but only barely now.
I hope they dont take her down any further.
That would have been more interesting.
Weiss went from most hated character to most loved character then went back to most hated character.
No I still think Blake takes the cake as worst character/prop
Again
I think Yang is the most hated now. Or the least liked at the very least. Weiss still has a good enough amount of redeeming qualities, but she's slipping
I feel like wall Penny keeps rising up the best girl list, Weiss just keeps dropping down
I remember i commented on a previous video about these 2 characters, im glad you took the time to make this video with a more detailed observation explaining your pov. Although I can agree this was a moment of character development going backwards, it was only for a moment so its not that big of a deal. But i guess there's a lot of ground to cover this season and it does feel like a waste of time now that im writing it down.
I didn't find Weiss'es blindness too unbelievable, because I've known myself and others to have a harder time seeing what's in their own family, than in other people's. I mean, Whitely "never liked her" as she says in Vol 4, though, that could be because she never liked him either, as vol 8 would suggest. But some people are just unable to let go of their prejudice against their family. Even though her mom spelled it out for her, guilt is a powerful motivator to be blind--however, I'd think any one of her friends standing there who have all (especially Blake) had misunderstandings with their family, would have called her out for treating him so badly, and giving him the chance to stab them in the back. It's just luck that he ended up not being a prick, they gave him no reason not to sell them out. Also, I agree Weiss'es "make up" was the worst I've probably every heard outside of an anime, maybe.
Y'all remember when fucking jaune, nora ,ren and the rest dumped food on Whitley for no apparent reason .......yh i hated them for it
Yeah. It was a drink, that way he would leave the stairs for Weiss to pass
I don’t think the writers care. At this point if they’re not trying to virtue signal they’re just trying to make money. There’s no passion and the effort is bare minimum.
Family dynamics are complicated. It’s a dysfunctional family. Of course they’ll be some hypocrisy bc one side only knows their perspective. I agree that Weiss should take some time to talk her brother at SOME point. But she left that environment (including her brother) for a reason.
Whitley was always portrayed as Jacques shadow. Couldn’t be trusted. Whitley is a victim too, yes very much so. And his relationship with both his sisters were fractured and unhealthy because of the environment they all grew up in.
The Schnee family is very bad at expressing or dealing with emotions effectively. Unstable environment, unhappy relationships, mom became an alcoholic, dad is a pompous prick. They each handled it in their own way.
Weiss and Winter had each other, but Whitley? Not so much. So you can’t expect them to be all “lets solve all our family issues.”
Winter and Weiss were close (in their own weird way) and look at them now. They’re divided and now Whitley and Weiss had a decent genuine encounter for probably the first time in several years. What’s wrong with that? She realized he may not be the same prick their dad is. Maybe they have more in common then they thought. A realization like that doesn’t happen overnight and words alone don’t mean much. It was the action he did that spoke for itself and got her attention. Everyone, whether you like Whitley or not, noticed it because his actions spoke louder than anything else. It was a breakthrough for him. Weiss would be an idiot if she didn’t notice or respond. She did. It was the first positive interaction between them in years. She didn’t expect much or anything from him.
Relationships and communication are a two way street. Whitley initiated with positive action and Weiss responded positively. Prior to that, they just bickered. It’s unfair to say or claim that Weiss is a bad sister when the same could be said about Whitley as a brother. Weiss had her reasons. Whitley had his. Again, it’s a two way street. Weiss initially reacted negatively towards her brother as it always has been. Whitley stepped up and extended an olive branch. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed.
So what’s the issue? Families are complex like that.
I wonder if Whitley used to be rebellious like Weiss, but eventually fell in line. Could that be when he became Jacques' favorite?
Volume 7 & 8 has done nothing but unironically justify just how bad team RWBY are as characters. They act like self righteous assholes while embodying the flaws they apperantly hate.
It's almost like they've all become twitter self inserts...
Because they have....
You know what? I’m saying what we all know, of all three siblings Weiss is the most like her father.
Weiss was my least favorite RWBY team member, then she became both my favorite and at least the only tolerable one.
But Volume 8 is starting to change that, until she apologizes to Whitley for only showing affection or care after he does ONE thing SHE approves of. The kid's a brat, but wasn't she at the start?
I'm really at the point where i think CRWBY don't even care to remember the previous character dynamics they established. Like seriously, if you're gonna have 2 characters interacting, make them more than just two flat pieces talking to each other for no reason. Do they have history, are things about them potential stresses for their relationship, do they dislike one another, do they want to kill each other? Do they secretly care for each other but hide it behind other actions? Consistency and execution make these kind of scenes so much better.