Shirla Cesari Hey, Great hearing from you Shirla! We just had a boat parade and decoration contest on the 4th! I'll tell everyone you said "Hi"! Tom let me climb up Higher Porpoise's mast and replace their lazy jack!!! That boat dwarf's mine! :)
Yes, that is one tall mast! Saw the decorated boats, and was glad to see the parade on the 4th again. It's a great group of people at Mark Twain and we miss their camaraderie.
I'm trying to help a friend with his stack pack. MK Sails made it but it doesn't work right, so we're adding battens to modify it. Not sure the lazy jacks are connected in the right places and maybe not enough of them for the 20ft. boom. Any suggestions are welcome. Tom could probably figure it out in about 10 minutes!!! Lol It's kind of amazing that I realized that your video was being made on Mark Twain. Your slip is right across from where ours was when we were there.
Thanks for the video. it would appear to me that the main purpose of having the lazy jack is to be able to douse the mainsail quickly when short or single -handed. With the center hook disconnected, it defeats that purpose. A typical lazy jack system with all lines would have a cleated line in a location on the boom to ease the cradle to allow mainsail shape while on the way, but everything else stays connected to allow the system to do its "jack" job part. Thanks for sharing.
Hi. Nice Vid. Regarding the top part of the lazy jacks, the inverted "Y", is the junction of the Y fixed or free running? I mean, at the 2 into 1, do the 2 run thru an eyelet or pulley at the end of the top 1? or is it a knot? cheers.
the middle of the "Y" is a ring with secured lines to the two tips of the inverted Y. The bungies from the tips are free running. I am re-rigging it now as the bungies are getting old. I may just knot the 'M" to the tips of the inverted Y.
I was wondering what those two lines with pulleys were. Thanks know I know not to cut them off. I have. Macgregor 26s and was puzzled by what the two lines were. I
+jason mckenzie The downhaul is a line that I connect to the to the halyard shackle at the head of the sail with a bowline knot. The line runs down to share a double block with the mainsail halyard at the base of the mast. It then runs through a double cheek block also shared with the mainsail halyard and back to a clutch. I have cleats to tie off and organize the bitter end. To deploy, I just release the down haul so that it is pulled up the mast as I raise the mainsail. When lowering, I reverse the process releasing the halyard and pulling the downhaul. Jim King who used to own the 26M Konig was really innovative and made the halyard and downhaul one single loop of line!
+Mark Kempen It only takes maybe 30 seconds to disconnect the cradle line from the pad eye at the end of the boom, unhook the middle and connect it in 'travel mode' to the mast on each side. Then I just roll the mainsail boot out and secure it.
@@StarSloop I have a system that connects to the sail cover, not the boom. it makes the cover part of the lazy jack system. the sail drops into the cover and then I have a rope that zips the cover up the top centre. Very neat system.
There is a difference between lazy jacks, and a lazy cradle. What you have are lazy jacks. The cradle would be an integrated sail cover with zipper. The improper description could cause people to purchase the wrong kit, or simply be misinformed.
True. However, the actual Nomenclature on the packaging of this kit in this video is the "Sail Cradle MK IV" Model#202 which I had bought at Strictly Sail Chicago at one of the booths. It seemed to me at the time to be a modified lazy jack so I described it in the video title as a lazy jack cradle system. I was fairly new to sailing then. It was affordable and worked well with my existing cover. In hind sight, I should have explained the make, model, name of the rig along with a bit of history where I got it in the video and not just in the note section. A bit of follow up on this lazy jack rig, it performed quite well from 2012 through 2017. Late 2017, the plastic clips began breaking and the additional mass, stiffness of the Hyde Warp Drive loose footed Mainsail I switched to was unforgiving on the lazy jack bungee cords which were aging and weathered. It needs to be rebuilt now. I didn't get to use the Mk IV Sail Cradle (Lazy Jacks) this summer on our Lake Powell Sail. I have a real stack-pack on my Morgan's Mainsail and Mizzen sail. This is a full material cradle like you describe. It's more difficult to zip closed on the main but that is more due to the boom about 5-6 foot above deck and difficult to reach over the center cockpit. The zipper ends about 8 foot above deck so I have to stand on a step and winch to reach it. :) I would not want to sail the Morgan without it though!
At our normal 600' above sea level down to sea level, it's fairly fuel efficient unless I keep it wide open throttle or plowing water prior to getting on plane. The Etec 60's computer doesn't do a good job adjusting to higher elevations. 3000' and 6000' above sea level, it chews up fuel and only plows the boat at 9-11mph at WOT instead of getting on plane typically between 12-21 mph. I motorsailed 8 hours on the Florida coast and never used up one of the 12 gallon tanks. Motorsailing with the motor running 800-1200rpm is extremely efficient.
Enjoyed seeing your lazy jack system. Trying to help someone get theirs working better here in FL. Say hello to everyone from Dennis and I.
Shirla Cesari Hey, Great hearing from you Shirla! We just had a boat parade and decoration contest on the 4th! I'll tell everyone you said "Hi"! Tom let me climb up Higher Porpoise's mast and replace their lazy jack!!! That boat dwarf's mine! :)
Yes, that is one tall mast! Saw the decorated boats, and was glad to see the parade on the 4th again. It's a great group of people at Mark Twain and we miss their camaraderie.
I'm trying to help a friend with his stack pack. MK Sails made it but it doesn't work right, so we're adding battens to modify it. Not sure the lazy jacks are connected in the right places and maybe not enough of them for the 20ft. boom.
Any suggestions are welcome. Tom could probably figure it out in about 10 minutes!!! Lol
It's kind of amazing that I realized that your video was being made on Mark Twain. Your slip is right across from where ours was when we were there.
Very useful video. Thank you.
Thanks for the video. it would appear to me that the main purpose of having the lazy jack is to be able to douse the mainsail quickly when short or single -handed. With the center hook disconnected, it defeats that purpose. A typical lazy jack system with all lines would have a cleated line in a location on the boom to ease the cradle to allow mainsail shape while on the way, but everything else stays connected to allow the system to do its "jack" job part. Thanks for sharing.
javacup912 Exactly! It really comes in handy when we're tucking into a cove for a swim or lunch!
Love your videos on the Macs. Do you have any videos on how you set up your reefing lines and reef your sails?
No, I haven't created one for our single line reefing yet. good idea!
Hi. Nice Vid. Regarding the top part of the lazy jacks, the inverted "Y", is the junction of the Y fixed or free running? I mean, at the 2 into 1, do the 2 run thru an eyelet or pulley at the end of the top 1? or is it a knot? cheers.
the middle of the "Y" is a ring with secured lines to the two tips of the inverted Y. The bungies from the tips are free running. I am re-rigging it now as the bungies are getting old. I may just knot the 'M" to the tips of the inverted Y.
I was wondering what those two lines with pulleys were. Thanks know I know not to cut them off. I have. Macgregor 26s and was puzzled by what the two lines were. I
Thanks, very clear.
Hi,
I love the way you have the down haul set up, could you send me some details on how to set it up please.
+jason mckenzie The downhaul is a line that I connect to the to the halyard shackle at the head of the sail with a bowline knot. The line runs down to share a double block with the mainsail halyard at the base of the mast. It then runs through a double cheek block also shared with the mainsail halyard and back to a clutch. I have cleats to tie off and organize the bitter end.
To deploy, I just release the down haul so that it is pulled up the mast as I raise the mainsail. When lowering, I reverse the process releasing the halyard and pulling the downhaul. Jim King who used to own the 26M Konig was really innovative and made the halyard and downhaul one single loop of line!
Nicely done. :)
For everything there is a first time.
Must you take the whole thing off to get the sail cover on the sail? How do you use a sail cover with your lazy Jack system?
+Mark Kempen It only takes maybe 30 seconds to disconnect the cradle line from the pad eye at the end of the boom, unhook the middle and connect it in 'travel mode' to the mast on each side. Then I just roll the mainsail boot out and secure it.
@@StarSloop I have a system that connects to the sail cover, not the boom. it makes the cover part of the lazy jack system. the sail drops into the cover and then I have a rope that zips the cover up the top centre. Very neat system.
There is a difference between lazy jacks, and a lazy cradle. What you have are lazy jacks. The cradle would be an integrated sail cover with zipper. The improper description could cause people to purchase the wrong kit, or simply be misinformed.
True. However, the actual Nomenclature on the packaging of this kit in this video is the "Sail Cradle MK IV" Model#202 which I had bought at Strictly Sail Chicago at one of the booths. It seemed to me at the time to be a modified lazy jack so I described it in the video title as a lazy jack cradle system. I was fairly new to sailing then. It was affordable and worked well with my existing cover. In hind sight, I should have explained the make, model, name of the rig along with a bit of history where I got it in the video and not just in the note section.
A bit of follow up on this lazy jack rig, it performed quite well from 2012 through 2017. Late 2017, the plastic clips began breaking and the additional mass, stiffness of the Hyde Warp Drive loose footed Mainsail I switched to was unforgiving on the lazy jack bungee cords which were aging and weathered. It needs to be rebuilt now. I didn't get to use the Mk IV Sail Cradle (Lazy Jacks) this summer on our Lake Powell Sail.
I have a real stack-pack on my Morgan's Mainsail and Mizzen sail. This is a full material cradle like you describe. It's more difficult to zip closed on the main but that is more due to the boom about 5-6 foot above deck and difficult to reach over the center cockpit. The zipper ends about 8 foot above deck so I have to stand on a step and winch to reach it. :) I would not want to sail the Morgan without it though!
Just picked up a MK III from ebay.
how many gph 9 [gallons per hour] do you get at cruising speed?
At our normal 600' above sea level down to sea level, it's fairly fuel efficient unless I keep it wide open throttle or plowing water prior to getting on plane. The Etec 60's computer doesn't do a good job adjusting to higher elevations. 3000' and 6000' above sea level, it chews up fuel and only plows the boat at 9-11mph at WOT instead of getting on plane typically between 12-21 mph. I motorsailed 8 hours on the Florida coast and never used up one of the 12 gallon tanks. Motorsailing with the motor running 800-1200rpm is extremely efficient.