Great video! I not only enjoyed the banter, but since my husband has a Giant Stance E and I have a Trek Fuel exe, it ticked all the boxes about our cycling reality. Anna confirmed everything I have noticed - the climbs, the cadence, and feeling the weight of the full power bike was too much! However, I know I’m on the right bike for me. Thanks Anna😊
Great video, guys, and it was fun to watch. I'm on a full power Transition Repeater 29er. The bike Weight is around 50 pounds, and I think I weigh around 160 pounds. It's a perfect fit for me, and I love it. I have no problem throwing it around. Speaking of throwing it around, it is now fully charged, and it's now time to hit the trails🤘🏿
Giant E trance elite is my favorite for a balance of full power and light weight. I'm not sure why the bike is still not as popular as it should be. The entry-level bike is a great deal compared to other brands in the same range.
Anna just needs an emtb with lower standover like a Liv Intrigue X Adavanced E+ Elite. Sweet mullet build, comes in small and XS, capable of a full 85nm and it's under 19kg.
@@asifitmatters1 well I choose not to reply to you with NEGATIVE comments and withhold my Free Speech as I do not know you. Wishing you well and kind thoughts now and always.
Just bought a Whyte 150 Elyte RSX. I have noted the cadence thing, depending on how I get on with the 36 tooth chain ring, swapping it out for a 32 tooth might be the solution to cadence maintenance :)
I ride a Trek EXe under 20kg and has 50 NM motor. I weigh 95kg. When I ride with other riders who have full power ebike, I can't keep up with them nor my range is comparable. So riders weight is a huge factor for this test.
thank you for this, i have been looking at the fuel exe and the rails currently, and i'm over 105kgs, so the idea of the fuel intrigued me, but i think i will opt for the rail or something more full power if i can get something a little lighter as in closer to the 20kg mark.
I use a Fazua 50 sistem on a light ebike (Lapierre eZesty) and the effort is higher of course. Uphill you fell it a little bit less powerfull, on flat you dont notice and downhill its a pleasure use it. Finally that made you be fit like a normal bike
Im 93Kgs but would still prefer the SL. I dont mind grafting or maintaining high cadence, just looking for a bit more speed/assistance on the ups so I can loop round a few more times without being shattered dragging DH tyres about the place. I'd be fine on an XC bike, but that would be pointless for the downs.
As a life long dirtbiker, and mt biker, a 53 lb full power EMTB bike works great for me. Im 170 lbs, the weight stabilizes the bike and keeps it going straight on thru what ever, and it also turns sharp really well.
This can be great and helpful in some scenarios! 🤘 Some people have said that this makes them feel like a passenger on a full fat which could be a reason to choose a lighter bike?
With a simple app connection between the bikes, it could be arranged and provided/made, that they sink their power outage, in such and which way they can perform parallelly.
I have noticed that people who rode downhill in the early to mid 2000s up to 2012 or so are ok with heavier e bikes! Use to throwing around the weight! Same with people that I know that ride or ridden moto the weight is not an issue
It's all relative to what you are riding, you featured my Nduro 8 in the bike vault last week, it is an absolute weapon for steep rooty technical descents but i'm 96kg and the bike is 27.
Nice one guys. Interestingly, during my Christmas 2023 ride, I had trouble keeping up with my analogue brethren on my Cube Stereo. Over 25kph, forget it😢
I can see how having to have a high cadence to make power, would be a buzz kill on technical climbs, who wants to have to be spinning that high regularly?
We can't imagine it helps with balance! But that is only to unlock the full assist, the SX motor still puts out a decent amount of power at a lower cadence, just not quite as much as the full fat 🤘
Relatively flat, switch backing, rooty, rocky with punchy climbs and short but steep descents. Proper old school MTB. I find it interesting how these old school trails are really where an EMTB can shine the brightest. Yet some cross country MTB bike vs a full power, long travel EMTB couldn't be further apart, as well as the riders who choose one or the other to ride. 2 completely different bikes and riders, yet same trail systems to participate in 2 completely different experiences.
What happens when you run out of juice? I would rather keep pedaling the sub 20kg bike. Even better a sub 17kg bike. Never mind if you have to get off and push it uphill. Great video with lots of fun.
At 6’4” and 220lbs when fully kitted, I’m guessing I should just get a full power bike without even thinking about the mid assist option. I don’t want to “feel like a passenger” like she mentioned. And I love to descend fast. But I guess my weight and height will manage that?
Silver spokes and nipple are a nice change they look wicked Steve. I don't think I would ever purchase an SL. I personally just don't see the point of the SL. To me, SL category doesn't need to exist or can almost be obtained with the right part choice and outlay. I feel full powered Ebike are at a very acceptable weight now and weights are coming down. I feel, Ebikes with multiple battery capacity options and owning different battery capacity coupled with tuning apps, flip chips are the way to go. I wish more bike companies would sell Eframe only . SL ebike are a bit like light beer, same price less punch.
It's like Steve and Anna said it's all relative, if you're riding a 24kg bike that would be 20% of your weight whereas it would be 35% ish for Anna! The e180 ish a great rig 👌
I started with a full fat Levo then swapped to a mid power Orbea Rise, and now after 2 years of the Rise I find that I ride alot with the motor off, as the lowest settings in Eco many times is still too much power. I only use the power on climbs
Tuning! That's what you aren't discussing here and makes that half fat bike so competitive EVERYWHERE! Keep your Eco the same to maximise range and cardio. Trail, pump up the power and torque a little, no more blowing at higher speeds. Then boost just crank it! Fill in that torque curve and you have a bike that can climb the steepest technicals climbs whilst still being light enough to manoeuvre. You can make your half fat feel more like the full cream variant, but you can't do it other way around, no masking that weight 😊
I have the Levo Alloy Comp and find that once you have had the feeling of full power you just can't go back. Lots of traction and control. After riding motor bikes it is a natural fit and the weight is nothing. Power is power.
Interesting video. Not sure how to read the results. That’s mostly because of me as an amateur not being familiar with some terminology and how some aspects relate to each other (the professional aspects). All I can conclude is that a full power bike may provide significantly more power. As for the video, I find the comparison a little flawed, in that we’re comparing a small 60kg female on a light e-bike with a big 95kg male on a full power bike. That just does not make for an objective comparison. From the video it appears the lady had much more stamina and seems more athletic, but the make has more strength in his legs. I also noticed the battery capacity is not that much different (650 vs 750), and the main difference send the torque the motor can provide (which does affect weight of the motor). I think the conclusion is clear enough though: the full power is a better choice allround, because the lady was always going full out and optimised her stamina strength and technique continuously, whereas the guy seemed to put in much less effort.
I'm not sure that was the point of video (ie. a simple comparison) - rather it was to show what kind of bike suits different size/weight/fitness riders, and how they can still ride together pretty equally? If you simply wanted to compare bikes, you'd need to use the same rider on the same route.
@@jmo2752 well, it dienstdoet that either really, as the conclusion was that she was going full out all the time, and he was not. She had to constantly ride at peak performance, and he did not, and when she got on the full fat, she no longer had to go full out and climbing was a lot easier. So if the intent is what you indicated, the full fat always wins, for all cases. In fairness, that’s a valid conclusion too though. :)
@@baronvonrichthofen2021 I agree - I'm not saying it was their intent to prove it, only the basis for the 'experiment', but like you say, ultimately a full-fat bike is likely to be the better option... The only proviso being that someone the size and weight of Anna felt a bit of a passenger on a heavier bike as she explained?
This debate is so tiresome. I’ve had a Levo SL and I now have a Turbo Levo. The light weight Levo SL is so much more fun. If you want all this extra power, just go ahead and get it over with and get a Motocross bike. Riding these full powered monster trucks looses the whole essence of mountain biking.
Nice Video in the Forest of Dean with a track for every type of ride. How do you match an e-bike to your power, weight, cadence and riding style? Ride a decent leisure centre bike machine, shove the data into an App! It will advise a full motor, trans, gear, and suss spec for you! Nice Real world project to do when boredom sets in. Anyone seen one?
Full power because Lightweight cost to Much for Job I do can’t afford Lightweight I use Hardtail Ebike ride to work as 29” & 3.5kg lighter than full suspension
A TTC bus driver told me he makes $300,000 a year. Is he married? Does he have children. There's the mortgage but his wife probably does $300,000 a year too if we get optimistic. Too optimistic $600,000 a year working for the TTC unionized job for life. There are car payments, family SUV, the cottage and a retirement package, life insurance and home insurance just in case. Vacations for the family, your daughter wants a graduation gift for getting into an Ivy League University. Tuition costs and the list keeps growing. I'm not worried. If it had been me instead of Greg but it wasn't me because I had a dead end job as dishwasher for Suisha Gardens Tamponese Restaurant as in Karen's disposable Chinese tampon. Greg has upward mobility loser still works at Al Flaherty's gun store in Toronto since 1970s don't ask me how I know. Greg's money comes from illegal drugs, protection racket other illegal stuff for Satan's Choice now absorbed into larger Hell's Angels North America RCMP organized crime task force freedom of information common knowledge use internet and a little common sense
she cant go straight up cause she doesnt have the power? its an e bike he is heavier older and heavier bike...with the weight were equal and skills this would be a better comparison
How original… light emtb vs full power! If only someone would have thought to do this before. The content of this channel really is hitting rock bottom.
So true! There so out of idea's, just like the non E channel. Every subject has come bye like 5+ times just with other presenters and a slightly different titel.
Yes but no. Technology advances constantly and you can reiterate some content from a slightly new prospective. But I know this is a bit complicate to think for simple minds like yours😂
@@Alessandro-xy7js there is no new technology in this episode. It’s the same Whyte bikes they have been marketing for months now. And insulting me won’t make your IQ finally hit those double digits!
Which bike are you choosing? A full-fat or lightweight eBike? Let us know in the comments below!
Well I started off liking the lighter weight, but by the end I was leaning towards the full power 😜
I'am 92kg and after that I think lightweight eBike in not for me?
Great video! I not only enjoyed the banter, but since my husband has a Giant Stance E and I have a Trek Fuel exe, it ticked all the boxes about our cycling reality. Anna confirmed everything I have noticed - the climbs, the cadence, and feeling the weight of the full power bike was too much! However, I know I’m on the right bike for me. Thanks Anna😊
ride Orbea Rise for a year,the perfect bike for me,before had for 3years full fat,26 kg for 67kg rider weight is wrong, greetings from sunny Algarve
Great video, guys, and it was fun to watch. I'm on a full power Transition Repeater 29er. The bike Weight is around 50 pounds, and I think I weigh around 160 pounds. It's a perfect fit for me, and I love it. I have no problem throwing it around. Speaking of throwing it around, it is now fully charged, and it's now time to hit the trails🤘🏿
Giant E trance elite is my favorite for a balance of full power and light weight. I'm not sure why the bike is still not as popular as it should be. The entry-level bike is a great deal compared to other brands in the same range.
Anna just needs an emtb with lower standover like a Liv Intrigue X Adavanced E+ Elite. Sweet mullet build, comes in small and XS, capable of a full 85nm and it's under 19kg.
Except that's not made by Whyte, so doesn't fit the product placement criteria 😏
Brilliant show Anne & Steve, more of this please, love it
More of what? Whyte commercials?
Don't reply with negatives please I did not ask for this.
@@Ndc710 it’s called free speech! If you don’t like it feel free to move to North Korea any time!
@@asifitmatters1 well I choose not to reply to you with NEGATIVE comments and withhold my Free Speech as I do not know you. Wishing you well and kind thoughts now and always.
@@Ndc710 nothing rude about what I wrote. Get a grip princess!
Fun episode guy's
I may in the summer purchase a lightweight bike for the experience between the two styles of riding
Just bought a Whyte 150 Elyte RSX. I have noted the cadence thing, depending on how I get on with the 36 tooth chain ring, swapping it out for a 32 tooth might be the solution to cadence maintenance :)
I ride a Trek EXe under 20kg and has 50 NM motor. I weigh 95kg. When I ride with other riders who have full power ebike, I can't keep up with them nor my range is comparable. So riders weight is a huge factor for this test.
thank you for this, i have been looking at the fuel exe and the rails currently, and i'm over 105kgs, so the idea of the fuel intrigued me, but i think i will opt for the rail or something more full power if i can get something a little lighter as in closer to the 20kg mark.
@@barnoslogik You are way too heavy for a lightweight EMTB. Go full power.
@@somerandomperson8282 that why I said thank you for confirming that!! 😜
I love my full Fat Giant Reign E+ - The Ploughing through things is one of the positives for me :)
Great bike! What made you choose it over the others? 🤔
I really enjoyed this. More adventures with Anna and Steve please.
More to come 👀
I use a Fazua 50 sistem on a light ebike (Lapierre eZesty) and the effort is higher of course. Uphill you fell it a little bit less powerfull, on flat you dont notice and downhill its a pleasure use it.
Finally that made you be fit like a normal bike
system vs sistem
great review. I agree with you Anna. Weight is everything.
Good comparison, rider weight is probably one of the key factors deciding which embt to get. 👍
Dropped loads of ebikes round cannock today on my mtb. No motor can replace 20 years of bmx racing
😂😂 up hill or down
Or maybe on a pump track? 🤪
😂
Im 93Kgs but would still prefer the SL. I dont mind grafting or maintaining high cadence, just looking for a bit more speed/assistance on the ups so I can loop round a few more times without being shattered dragging DH tyres about the place. I'd be fine on an XC bike, but that would be pointless for the downs.
Excellent video 😊
Thank you very much!
Great chemistry between them.
As a life long dirtbiker, and mt biker, a 53 lb full power EMTB bike works great for me. Im 170 lbs, the weight stabilizes the bike and keeps it going straight on thru what ever, and it also turns sharp really well.
This can be great and helpful in some scenarios! 🤘 Some people have said that this makes them feel like a passenger on a full fat which could be a reason to choose a lighter bike?
Which emtb do you have?
With a simple app connection between the bikes, it could be arranged and provided/made, that they sink their power outage, in such and which way they can perform parallelly.
I have noticed that people who rode downhill in the early to mid 2000s up to 2012 or so are ok with heavier e bikes! Use to throwing around the weight! Same with people that I know that ride or ridden moto the weight is not an issue
I think I’d go full fat cause it’s the technical climbing would be what I’d digg
Noticed silver spokes on the ebikes 😮 very retro 👌
It's all relative to what you are riding, you featured my Nduro 8 in the bike vault last week, it is an absolute weapon for steep rooty technical descents but i'm 96kg and the bike is 27.
I want to see this same exact route done with a normal MTB vs E lite and a full fat. That's the "real" comparison
Nice one guys. Interestingly, during my Christmas 2023 ride, I had trouble keeping up with my analogue brethren on my Cube Stereo. Over 25kph, forget it😢
Derestrict it, best thing I did to my GIANT Reign.
Where are these trails? They look super fun. Great video keep them coming :)
As battery and motor tech evolves and improves, it’s only a matter of time until full fat bikes will regularly be under 20kg
Meep Meep! Wooooosh! - Annas Cadence looks like the Road Runner :)
Great video. Anna is awesome. Have her back!
I can see how having to have a high cadence to make power, would be a buzz kill on technical climbs, who wants to have to be spinning that high regularly?
We can't imagine it helps with balance! But that is only to unlock the full assist, the SX motor still puts out a decent amount of power at a lower cadence, just not quite as much as the full fat 🤘
On all videos can we always state where you are riding it will let people know new places to try which they might not be aware of ! 👍
Chrome spokes are horrific, just sayin'
But.. shiny! 👀
I think I feel a resonance with something said for my trail bike bs all ebikes I've tried.. I feel like a passenger even more so on full fat ones.
Relatively flat, switch backing, rooty, rocky with punchy climbs and short but steep descents. Proper old school MTB. I find it interesting how these old school trails are really where an EMTB can shine the brightest. Yet some cross country MTB bike vs a full power, long travel EMTB couldn't be further apart, as well as the riders who choose one or the other to ride. 2 completely different bikes and riders, yet same trail systems to participate in 2 completely different experiences.
What happens when you run out of juice? I would rather keep pedaling the sub 20kg bike. Even better a sub 17kg bike. Never mind if you have to get off and push it uphill. Great video with lots of fun.
I love my bh rebel 2017 its old but perfectly increases my natural riding style, too heavy to jump tho. Would love to try a lighter bike for jumps.
Once Anna gets her eye in on that bike, she'll destroy Steve on pretty much any terrain...😅
At 6’4” and 220lbs when fully kitted, I’m guessing I should just get a full power bike without even thinking about the mid assist option. I don’t want to “feel like a passenger” like she mentioned. And I love to descend fast. But I guess my weight and height will manage that?
Silver spokes and nipple are a nice change they look wicked Steve.
I don't think I would ever purchase an SL. I personally just don't see the point of the SL. To me, SL category doesn't need to exist or can almost be obtained with the right part choice and outlay. I feel full powered Ebike are at a very acceptable weight now and weights are coming down.
I feel, Ebikes with multiple battery capacity options and owning different battery capacity coupled with tuning apps, flip chips are the way to go.
I wish more bike companies would sell Eframe only .
SL ebike are a bit like light beer, same price less punch.
Nice video as always! Are you guys running on industry 9 wheels? They look sick 👌👍
Yes we are! They're amazing, if you want to see how they are made we have a video on GMBN Tech 👉 ua-cam.com/video/Tms8CTwsJDo/v-deo.html
"Its old school cross country, theres roots ,theres rocks" or as we call them in Romania, NORMAL 😂😂
It all depends on rider weight...being 120kg, the bike i have is ideal, Whyte E180SNX which is a heavy bike but feels agile to me.
It's like Steve and Anna said it's all relative, if you're riding a 24kg bike that would be 20% of your weight whereas it would be 35% ish for Anna! The e180 ish a great rig 👌
Deja vu where's the armour vest at this time for her lol 😂
I started with a full fat Levo then swapped to a mid power Orbea Rise, and now after 2 years of the Rise I find that I ride alot with the motor off, as the lowest settings in Eco many times is still too much power. I only use the power on climbs
Tuning! That's what you aren't discussing here and makes that half fat bike so competitive EVERYWHERE!
Keep your Eco the same to maximise range and cardio. Trail, pump up the power and torque a little, no more blowing at higher speeds. Then boost just crank it! Fill in that torque curve and you have a bike that can climb the steepest technicals climbs whilst still being light enough to manoeuvre.
You can make your half fat feel more like the full cream variant, but you can't do it other way around, no masking that weight 😊
I have the Levo Alloy Comp and find that once you have had the feeling of full power you just can't go back. Lots of traction and control. After riding motor bikes it is a natural fit and the weight is nothing. Power is power.
Interesting video. Not sure how to read the results. That’s mostly because of me as an amateur not being familiar with some terminology and how some aspects relate to each other (the professional aspects).
All I can conclude is that a full power bike may provide significantly more power. As for the video, I find the comparison a little flawed, in that we’re comparing a small 60kg female on a light e-bike with a big 95kg male on a full power bike. That just does not make for an objective comparison. From the video it appears the lady had much more stamina and seems more athletic, but the make has more strength in his legs. I also noticed the battery capacity is not that much different (650 vs 750), and the main difference send the torque the motor can provide (which does affect weight of the motor).
I think the conclusion is clear enough though: the full power is a better choice allround, because the lady was always going full out and optimised her stamina strength and technique continuously, whereas the guy seemed to put in much less effort.
I'm not sure that was the point of video (ie. a simple comparison) - rather it was to show what kind of bike suits different size/weight/fitness riders, and how they can still ride together pretty equally?
If you simply wanted to compare bikes, you'd need to use the same rider on the same route.
@@jmo2752 well, it dienstdoet that either really, as the conclusion was that she was going full out all the time, and he was not. She had to constantly ride at peak performance, and he did not, and when she got on the full fat, she no longer had to go full out and climbing was a lot easier.
So if the intent is what you indicated, the full fat always wins, for all cases. In fairness, that’s a valid conclusion too though. :)
@@baronvonrichthofen2021 I agree - I'm not saying it was their intent to prove it, only the basis for the 'experiment', but like you say, ultimately a full-fat bike is likely to be the better option... The only proviso being that someone the size and weight of Anna felt a bit of a passenger on a heavier bike as she explained?
Full power bike is my vote
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Nice, like it 👍
So Anna would benefit from higher torque in climbs which Steve does not necessary need, they still are on the right bikes both.
I proper lightweight bike like the TQ equipped Scott lumens would have been better
I ha e the orbea rise and being smaller only weighing 60kg myself i went lightweight just felt more natural
I’m more interested in where this was filmed. Everytime I go out at this time of year I’m up to the eyes in crap 😂
8:29 - Steve's signature move. Took longer than I expected (6:30 doesn't really count) - interesting vid nevertheless.
I do love his signature move ngl. Cocked it right up this time tho xD
Very Kool 👌🏻⚡️
For the purpose of this discussion a full fat bike is over 1000w and a light weight is around 250w.
You can only go so fast on a trail so my guess is same…depends on the climbing
Nice
Anna just needs more time on her bike , it's understanding what you can ride , it's a bit a head game at first .
This debate is so tiresome. I’ve had a Levo SL and I now have a Turbo Levo. The light weight
Levo SL is so much more fun. If you want all this extra power, just go ahead and get it over with and get a Motocross bike. Riding these full powered monster trucks looses the whole essence of mountain biking.
I still like Giant's idea - full fat AND lightweight, but I'd prefer more travel (weight) and a bigger battery (weight). 🤷
Maybe in the future you will be able to have both!
Nice Video in the Forest of Dean with a track for every type of ride. How do you match an e-bike to your power, weight, cadence and riding style? Ride a decent leisure centre bike machine, shove the data into an App! It will advise a full motor, trans, gear, and suss spec for you! Nice Real world project to do when boredom sets in. Anyone seen one?
This would be a great app/website!
Giant Trance X Advanced Elite is only 46lbs and is full power
Battery is only 400 Wh.
Why would you not have just one rider testing the two different bikes as that was too complicated.
Massively dependant on rider weight
dependent vs dependant
Ridden that track the other day. None E bike. Eas hard going in the slop
Did you wish you had an eBike for that day?
@@embn quite liked it on the hard tail. Just needed to push on some sections 😅
Nothing wrong with a bit of 'hike a bike'!
Non-ebike, not none.
Full power because Lightweight cost to Much for Job I do can’t afford Lightweight I use Hardtail Ebike ride to work as 29” & 3.5kg lighter than full suspension
How many sentences is that, use a period now and then.
Welcome to the Dark Side Anna! :)
A TTC bus driver told me he makes $300,000 a year. Is he married? Does he have children. There's the mortgage but his wife probably does $300,000 a year too if we get optimistic. Too optimistic $600,000 a year working for the TTC unionized job for life. There are car payments, family SUV, the cottage and a retirement package, life insurance and home insurance just in case. Vacations for the family, your daughter wants a graduation gift for getting into an Ivy League University. Tuition costs and the list keeps growing. I'm not worried. If it had been me instead of Greg but it wasn't me because I had a dead end job as dishwasher for Suisha Gardens Tamponese Restaurant as in Karen's disposable Chinese tampon. Greg has upward mobility loser still works at Al Flaherty's gun store in Toronto since 1970s don't ask me how I know. Greg's money comes from illegal drugs, protection racket other illegal stuff for Satan's Choice now absorbed into larger Hell's Angels North America RCMP organized crime task force freedom of information common knowledge use internet and a little common sense
Apples & oranges. You must use the same rider on thee bikes
We've done a video on that here! 👉 ua-cam.com/video/On11pwhHCcQ/v-deo.html
I want a bike that gives me 5 hours can get me anywhere im rubbish and helps me ride better
she cant go straight up cause she doesnt have the power? its an e bike he is heavier older and heavier bike...with the weight were equal and skills this would be a better comparison
Didn't she used to race?
Just fukin luvz that gurl..
$10,000 e-bike? 😂
There are $14K ebikes too if your tax return is larger.
Lightweight...
Is she drunk again?
How original… light emtb vs full power! If only someone would have thought to do this before. The content of this channel really is hitting rock bottom.
So true! There so out of idea's, just like the non E channel. Every subject has come bye like 5+ times just with other presenters and a slightly different titel.
Yes but no. Technology advances constantly and you can reiterate some content from a slightly new prospective. But I know this is a bit complicate to think for simple minds like yours😂
@@Alessandro-xy7js there is no new technology in this episode. It’s the same Whyte bikes they have been marketing for months now. And insulting me won’t make your IQ finally hit those double digits!
@@asifitmatters1 You must be the funny one of the litter.
Btw I didn't refer to this episode in particular, i spoke in general.
Do us all a favour then.. and unsubscribe.. not rocket science is it 😂😂
hi. I like your releases, but stop doing the same half-dead Willie in every video. It seems that you can't do anything else besides that.
What is a half-dead Willie?
how much extra does the range extender give and how much does it weigh?