+Deltaexio to be fair sources prove both sides. except initial ones supporting climate change we disproven. Unless you actually mean climate change rather than global warming. many people compare them similarly.
Deltaexio I think its really ignorant to ever believe in it 100%. I believe in climate change but I wonder how much Humans are REALLY effecting it. That still has a lot to investigated and I couldn't even name the numerous amount of study's that changed over time.
That board game version would make a good plot for a psychological horror movie; like everyone that tries it goes insane, or it's some kind of Hellraiser-ish puzzle that opens a portal to Hell; the further you get to finishing it, the more things around the world start getting crazy until it's completely done and the portal is fully opened.
That Eternity II thing is so cool! Back in the day (2004) when I was making TetraVex for my TI-86 after getting hooked on it from playing it in the zipslack Slackware bundle at the time, I had at one point a bug in my code where it would create unsolvable puzzles. I had made it so it would specifically be solvable but must have missed something. It took a while and completely perplexed me why I couldn't solve some of the puzzles in a game I had made (in TI-BASIC)...but I found the error eventually and fixed it so all solutions are solvable. It's super easy to make unsolvable TextraVex puzzles (just randomize the tiles) but not so easy to make sure they're solvable for the whole board.
There's still a million dollar prize related to TetraVex: like many, many other games, an efficient solution for TetraVex at very high sizes (bigger than 16x16) would mean P=NP and would thus be a solution to the corresponding Millenium Prize Problem. Of course, most computer scientists and mathematicians believe it is incredibly unlikely that P=NP and that TetraVex and the many, many problems it is equivalent to in the hardest case are impossible to solve efficiently.
The "most powerful computer" statement was made in 2005. In 2005 the fastest computer was probably IBM Blue Gene clocking at 0.5 Petaflops, in 2016 Tianhe-2 does 34 petaflops. We'll get there eventually.
There is a lot of mathematical study of edge matching games like this. Look up "Wang dominoes" on the Wikipedia for an example. Very interesting video, of course. Thank you.
Beyond the fascinating prospect of more mathematical studies of edge-matching games... I'm just happy "wang dominoes" are a thing that exists. Great name.
Man. I wish you were a host for one of G4TechTV's shows back in 2004 or something. This sort of stuff you do takes me back to the days of watching Icons, Cinematech, and the other cool video game history bits they had.
3.11X10^545 is so incomprehensible. The number is so large that our minds can not grasp how large it is. Vsause uploaded a video today about how incredibly big 8X10^67 is. But 545 is just ridiculous.
Ten multiplied by itself five hundred and forty-five times? 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Which is five googol ((10 ^ 100) * 5) and one quatturodecillion (10 ^ 45). Multiply this by 3.11 and get: 3,110,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 I don't know the exact calculation for this, but I do know that it is greater than fifteen googol > ((10 ^ 100) * 15).
Just found your channel and i am so happy!! My dad used to let us play these games in that pack back in the day but I never knew what they were all called!! I am in Nostalgia heaven!
I remember the Eternity II contest! I was quite fascinated with it at the time but I never bought it and later completely forgot about its existence. Thanks for reminding me about it!
Deltaexio High five! I love that series. It was very informative as a whole about climate change. I really wish Potholer could make more videos more often. He's one of my favourites for quality alongside Brett Palmer (the Bible Skeptic).
Omg what is the soundtrack from 00:22 forward? It tingles the nostalgia part of my brain something fierce! It's probably laughably easy and not even that nostalgic, i just can't figure out where that soundtrack belongs...
Tetravex, along with games like Reversi or Backgammon was one of those games that totally felt like the very spirit of Windows 3.11 and then 95. These days most ppl probably think "it's gotta be some sort of Tetris knockoff" when they hear the name, lol
Something about this video reminded me of Vsauce. Which is not at all a bad thing. I think it was a mix of the information regarding Eternity II and the music at the end. Great video!
This kind of reminds me of Triple Triad from Final Fantasy 8. Only, the polar opposite. Instead of matching numbers to fill a grid, you battle with them to take over a 3x3 grid space. The higher number capturing the adjacent card if it's lower. Thus , the player with the most captured cards and grid space, wins. It feels like Square looked at this and went, 'How do we make that a 2 player game?' and then bam, Triple Triad was born lol.
Just yeserday at night I watched your best of entertainment pack review and the next day you upload a review of one of the games shown in that video.. Coincidence? Probably, yeah... But it's still cool!
I feel that is quite British in a way to create a near unsolveable puzzle. It just seems like the sort of thing we would do. Then again Mockton is quite British in all the good ways.
***** I don't know about "genius". "Official survey after official survey had shown that homosexuals had an average of 500-1,000 partners in their sexually active lifetime, and that some had as many as 20,000." Doesn't take a mathematician to figure out how delusional this is.
Hey LGR, I enjoy your awesome old school reviews and I was wondering if you knew of a game that I used to play. I can't seem to find info on it anywhere. It was a Windows 3.1 game much like connect four but with spheres or balls, and the board could be adjusted as well as the amount of balls it took to win. They had an animation when you dropped them in. It may have came packaged with my Packard Bell so it might be affiliated with them. So if you or anyone else here knows or remembers please let me know. Thanks!
He must have the solutions in a safe somewhere. Also, I'd never heard of that old Microsoft logo before. I should expect it would have elicited the same feelings of mystery when skilful players saw it on completing the hardest level of puzzles. A secret code symbol? To win a meelion dollarz?!
damn those win 3.1 games, pipe dream, jezzball, i used to play the hell out of Roden't revenge when i was a kid. dont know if it had an ending cause past level 30 was nearly impossible.
Would you be able to take a look at alternate reality games? Things like i love bees and Swordquest that incorporate video games into a real life competition.
I talked about it in an upcoming episode of the That One Video Gamer Podcast, but yeah, I'll probably do a Quickie video on it at some point. It's just taking me ages to get through, ugh.
Holy gods above, this video unlocked a ton of memories. Chip's Challenge, Pipe Dream, Jezz Ball, you name it. But I totally forgot TetraVex despite playing it as a kid fairly often. How..?
the solution into making a program that solves this is simple, however it's probably the sheer amount of different combinations that the computer has to try stops it from happening... If it wasn't for the sheer amount of pieces and the fact that they're rotateable, I would say assign a different number to each two-colour/shape combination on the edge. Sure your numbers might go into 1000s, but computer can do number matching.
+mirta000 I've found a similar puzzle to Eternity II at a thrift store but with triangular pieces. Reading the back of the box it says there are over a possible 1^170 permutations for the puzzle. So yeah, it will take a very long time for a computer to brute force all possible solutions for such a puzzle.
The whole spiel is called the Windows Entertainment Pack. I must warn you if you go looking for the disks that the games will not work on a 64-bit computer, as I found out the hard way.
+Lazy Game Reviews for some reason Im still having troubles. I can find the 72 piece all day but not the 256 piece version. I found only one on ebay and cant find any on amazon.
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Mockton is literally a fucking Bond villian.
+Smeddy Too No, he is not literally one. Figuratively perhaps. Literally, no.
Also, a climate change denier
+Deltaexio to be fair sources prove both sides. except initial ones supporting climate change we disproven. Unless you actually mean climate change rather than global warming. many people compare them similarly.
Fatigued Potholer54 demonstrates how there is no debate in the scientific community and how Monckton incorrect.
Deltaexio I think its really ignorant to ever believe in it 100%. I believe in climate change but I wonder how much Humans are REALLY effecting it. That still has a lot to investigated and I couldn't even name the numerous amount of study's that changed over time.
That board game version would make a good plot for a psychological horror movie; like everyone that tries it goes insane, or it's some kind of Hellraiser-ish puzzle that opens a portal to Hell; the further you get to finishing it, the more things around the world start getting crazy until it's completely done and the portal is fully opened.
Yeah, Darren Aronofsky should direct it!
That Eternity II thing is so cool! Back in the day (2004) when I was making TetraVex for my TI-86 after getting hooked on it from playing it in the zipslack Slackware bundle at the time, I had at one point a bug in my code where it would create unsolvable puzzles. I had made it so it would specifically be solvable but must have missed something. It took a while and completely perplexed me why I couldn't solve some of the puzzles in a game I had made (in TI-BASIC)...but I found the error eventually and fixed it so all solutions are solvable. It's super easy to make unsolvable TextraVex puzzles (just randomize the tiles) but not so easy to make sure they're solvable for the whole board.
There's still a million dollar prize related to TetraVex: like many, many other games, an efficient solution for TetraVex at very high sizes (bigger than 16x16) would mean P=NP and would thus be a solution to the corresponding Millenium Prize Problem. Of course, most computer scientists and mathematicians believe it is incredibly unlikely that P=NP and that TetraVex and the many, many problems it is equivalent to in the hardest case are impossible to solve efficiently.
+Mawaru-Ponidrum If you want to read an academic paper on the topic, look up "TetraVex is NP-complete".
The "most powerful computer" statement was made in 2005. In 2005 the fastest computer was probably IBM Blue Gene clocking at 0.5 Petaflops, in 2016 Tianhe-2 does 34 petaflops. We'll get there eventually.
You really believe the chinese made a working supercomputer? lol.
They can't even make a working toaster.
@@kiddhkane the chinese made tiktok and it's the most advanced social media there is
Cristopher Walter Monckton is a dead ringer for Argentina's former president, the late Néstor Kirchner. They even share the crazy eye.
Am I the only one who notices that this guy constantly uses the score of Sim City 3000U on his videos? What a throwback, magnificent game.
There is a lot of mathematical study of edge matching games like this. Look up "Wang dominoes" on the Wikipedia for an example.
Very interesting video, of course. Thank you.
Beyond the fascinating prospect of more mathematical studies of edge-matching games...
I'm just happy "wang dominoes" are a thing that exists. Great name.
Maybe Eternity II can be solved when quantum computers are more sorted out.
Man. I wish you were a host for one of G4TechTV's shows back in 2004 or something. This sort of stuff you do takes me back to the days of watching Icons, Cinematech, and the other cool video game history bits they had.
3.11X10^545 is so incomprehensible. The number is so large that our minds can not grasp how large it is. Vsause uploaded a video today about how incredibly big 8X10^67 is. But 545 is just ridiculous.
Ten multiplied by itself five hundred and forty-five times?
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Which is five googol ((10 ^ 100) * 5) and one quatturodecillion (10 ^ 45).
Multiply this by 3.11 and get:
3,110,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
I don't know the exact calculation for this, but I do know that it is greater than fifteen googol > ((10 ^ 100) * 15).
Just found your channel and i am so happy!! My dad used to let us play these games in that pack back in the day but I never knew what they were all called!! I am in Nostalgia heaven!
if an evil a.i ever tries to take over humanity we'll just ask him to try and solve the puzzle for our dominance
that will keep the robot busy........ instill the universe ends!
Remember kids, if anybody offers you drugs, say thank you because drugs are fucking expensive
Not even a computer can figure it out? Now that's scary.
3:56 - Oh, my God! THAT EYE!!! *BURN IT! BURN IT TO HELL!!!*
I remember the Eternity II contest! I was quite fascinated with it at the time but I never bought it and later completely forgot about its existence. Thanks for reminding me about it!
Just seeing Microsoft's "Best of Entertainment" folder open makes me happy.
Surely the creators had to know how to complete it, as they knew how many successful combinations there were?
i learned something today... neat :D love this channel
Lord Monckton is also one of the UK's most outspoken global warming deniers. Clever guy, but some crazy views in the mix.
I know! Funnily enough, I was just watching a video about his claims this morning.
+Deltaexio Was it Potholer54's series? He does a great analysis.
Damian Freeman Bingo!
+bitwize Well, you can't expect a genius in one category to be well respected in a totally different one.
Deltaexio High five!
I love that series. It was very informative as a whole about climate change. I really wish Potholer could make more videos more often. He's one of my favourites for quality alongside Brett Palmer (the Bible Skeptic).
Oh I remember this so much!! And all the other games you showed in the beginning!
Games and potential mathematical complexity of mind numbing proportions? Surely this is the material for an LGR/Numberphile crossover video!
Well this was cool on many many levels. Nice video and now I kind of wanna pick that game up and try it.
WATSON, get on it!
Is it still possible to get million of dollars, even today, the day someone can finally figure it out?
Nope! As mentioned in the video, the prize went unclaimed.
+Thekinggamelon It expired in 2010
+Thekinggamelon
Dammit...
Omg what is the soundtrack from 00:22 forward? It tingles the nostalgia part of my brain something fierce! It's probably laughably easy and not even that nostalgic, i just can't figure out where that soundtrack belongs...
Check the video description!
+Lazy Game Reviews Well look at that! Thank you :)
+Lazy Game Reviews Also, you have a great taste in picking soundtrack for your videos!
5:00 simcity 3000 music for the win!
Tetravex, along with games like Reversi or Backgammon was one of those games that totally felt like the very spirit of Windows 3.11 and then 95. These days most ppl probably think "it's gotta be some sort of Tetris knockoff" when they hear the name, lol
Another really interesting video Clint
Nice video. Also, Sim City 3000 ost: Infrastructure. Nice music.
Something about this video reminded me of Vsauce. Which is not at all a bad thing. I think it was a mix of the information regarding Eternity II and the music at the end. Great video!
Typing class was never able to beat my top scores on Jezzball and pipe dreams.
I wonder if those Eternity II guys work for Cicada 3301? Hmmmmmm....
That was surprisingly entertaining.
16 by 16. Imagine being that evil.
+MegaFat1 16 × 16 × 16, now imagine that monstrosity in 3D
Eternity III, now in 3d!
I think Mr. Mockton kinda looks like Martin Shkreli will in 25 years.
This kind of reminds me of Triple Triad from Final Fantasy 8. Only, the polar opposite. Instead of matching numbers to fill a grid, you battle with them to take over a 3x3 grid space. The higher number capturing the adjacent card if it's lower. Thus , the player with the most captured cards and grid space, wins. It feels like Square looked at this and went, 'How do we make that a 2 player game?' and then bam, Triple Triad was born lol.
Oh man, just the startup screen! I had exactly those games
Just yeserday at night I watched your best of entertainment pack review and the next day you upload a review of one of the games shown in that video.. Coincidence? Probably, yeah... But it's still cool!
I feel that is quite British in a way to create a near unsolveable puzzle. It just seems like the sort of thing we would do.
Then again Mockton is quite British in all the good ways.
With a tea in-hand and a twirl of a delicately-groomed mustache.
+Lazy Game Reviews
All British cads and bounders should be modelled after Terry-Thomas.
nice to see you pop up in on Techmoans Clint :)
Another great video!
Interesting! I'm somewhat ashamed I've never even hard of TetraVex, or heard and forgot.
love the simcity 3000 music n,n also, I loved tetravex back in the day
My brain hurts :D
My brain is melting!!! :DDD
+furrymessiah my brain exploded
Warning: This video contains images of Christopher "CO2" Monckton" that viewers of some channels may find disturbing.
+Wolfie M The man with views on homosexuality so extreme that even Nigel Farage called him out on it.
+Dizchu doesn't change the fact the guy is a genius, despite his unsavoury views
***** I don't know about "genius".
"Official survey after official survey had shown that homosexuals had an average of 500-1,000 partners in their sexually active lifetime, and that some had as many as 20,000." Doesn't take a mathematician to figure out how delusional this is.
+Dizchu that's pretty ridiculous!
+Wolfie M He's slightly less attractive than Mr. Bean.
Hey LGR, I enjoy your awesome old school reviews and I was wondering if you knew of a game that I used to play. I can't seem to find info on it anywhere. It was a Windows 3.1 game much like connect four but with spheres or balls, and the board could be adjusted as well as the amount of balls it took to win. They had an animation when you dropped them in. It may have came packaged with my Packard Bell so it might be affiliated with them. So if you or anyone else here knows or remembers please let me know. Thanks!
TetraVex: It could always be worse.
My grandpa loves puzzles. I kind of want to get him Eternity II, but I don't want him to hate me.
what the heck was that music you were using, that high pitch screeching was not pleasant
I remember getting this on a floppy disk along with a demo of Visio. It was some sort of weird shareware promo.
He must have the solutions in a safe somewhere.
Also, I'd never heard of that old Microsoft logo before. I should expect it would have elicited the same feelings of mystery when skilful players saw it on completing the hardest level of puzzles. A secret code symbol? To win a meelion dollarz?!
Oh god, my head hurts.. I really suck at puzzle games. :) Though, Chip's Challenge I enjoy once in a while. :)
Eternity 2 is crazy! Inner and outer pieces oh my
Very intersting stuff, thanks for that.
I made a version of this puzzle concept but with hexagonal tiles pretty recently
I dare to say that if this were put up against a D-Wave working in conjunction with 5 of the top "super computers" that this would be solved quickly
damn those win 3.1 games, pipe dream, jezzball, i used to play the hell out of Roden't revenge when i was a kid. dont know if it had an ending cause past level 30 was nearly impossible.
But how do they prove that there *is* a solution if they can't find one?
We know there's a solution because this puzzle exists as a complete image before the board is cut at the factory, just like a typical jigsaw puzzle.
zOMGREI so whoever cuts the board would know?
Because it would be a complete picture at that point before it was cut?
Childhood Nostalgia = Achieved
Would you be able to take a look at alternate reality games? Things like i love bees and Swordquest that incorporate video games into a real life competition.
I been looking for all the microsoft games, do you know how can i get them, i have a windos 8 pc. Thank you
Wow, I totally forgotten about this game
Is Eternity II still unsolved?
I bet that a quantum computer can and will solve that mistery puzzle in a life time.
Out of curiosity are you planning to review "The Witness"?
I only ask because I want to see you tear it apart :P
I talked about it in an upcoming episode of the That One Video Gamer Podcast, but yeah, I'll probably do a Quickie video on it at some point. It's just taking me ages to get through, ugh.
+Lazy Game Reviews
Awesome! I look forward to it.
Hey LGR, you should do a review of the Marathon games. You know, the ones that were made by Bungie for Mac before they were bought by Microsoft?
Planning to!
Lazy Game Reviews Awesomeness =D =D.
It's a damn shame that this game is not playable on Windows 7 64-bit. I loved this game and I am now stuck with VM mode in order to play it.
Holy gods above, this video unlocked a ton of memories. Chip's Challenge, Pipe Dream, Jezz Ball, you name it. But I totally forgot TetraVex despite playing it as a kid fairly often. How..?
I got the board game and man is it hard!! Good fun though ;)
Good review thanks!
I bet a quantum computer could figure it out in 5 minutes
Sim city 3000! Awesome music
the solution into making a program that solves this is simple, however it's probably the sheer amount of different combinations that the computer has to try stops it from happening...
If it wasn't for the sheer amount of pieces and the fact that they're rotateable, I would say assign a different number to each two-colour/shape combination on the edge. Sure your numbers might go into 1000s, but computer can do number matching.
In other words: it would be easily solvable if it was something else entirely :P
+mirta000 I've found a similar puzzle to Eternity II at a thrift store but with triangular pieces. Reading the back of the box it says there are over a possible 1^170 permutations for the puzzle. So yeah, it will take a very long time for a computer to brute force all possible solutions for such a puzzle.
Wouldn't 10^170 make more sense since 1^170 is, well, 1.
foxymetroid Yea, I made a typo.
Dude, TetraVex is awsome, I wonder why microsoft didn't put it with the other games preinstalled in windows xp or 7...
That Monkton guy is farked.
Tetravex is NP-complety so if you can solve it fast you can break encryption on the internet.
When I entered the equation into my TI calculator it gave me an overflow error
That can happen if you try to have it do a factorial of 70.
hold up... i remember playing Ski Free and Pipe Dream. i never remembered their names but those games look extremely familiar >.> woah nostalgia
The whole spiel is called the Windows Entertainment Pack. I must warn you if you go looking for the disks that the games will not work on a 64-bit computer, as I found out the hard way.
Good for you. You didn't call him a Lord.
The unsolvable puzzle...
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. lol
where can you get one of these eternity II puzzles?
I've seen lots of copies for sale on Ebay and Amazon
+Lazy Game Reviews for some reason Im still having troubles. I can find the 72 piece all day but not the 256 piece version. I found only one on ebay and cant find any on amazon.
Kinda want to try eternity 2
Any tech tales planned?
Lots of em planned!
Holy fuck, I was just watching a video rebuttal to Lord Monckton this morning!
By Potholer54, no less!
9 people tried and failed to win the $2 million.
I'd want a GCHQ paperweight for solving that.
20000 solutions out of 3.11*10^545 possible combinations? Count me out!
Great game!
Math is an amazing thing.
This is where Common Core came from.
That's what I call a demonic puzzle!
Do i hear the Sim City 3k OST? Must be "Infrastructure" i think...
And then he checked the Video Description!
Yay i was right! ^.^
Maybe quantum computers will finally solve that Eternity 2 puzzle
wow that's nuts
Oh god dam eternity 2 puzzle. I wasted months on it. Dam you Mockington I want my summer back :)
Here's a video recommendation: Rats! from 1994.
My first video game.
For no specific reason, I always hated that TetraVex game. Maybe because I was looking for some action.
Is there no modern Windows version of this?
+Thiago Coelho Update: "Tetravex EXE" on delphi.about.com/od/gameprogramming/a/tetravex.htm
I tested it, it's safe