UCLA Student States There Should Be More BLACK STUDENTS: "I Don't See People Who Look Like Me."
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Peter uses Spectrum Street Epistemology to engage two UCLA students about race. One is a black student athlete from Chicago and the other is from Italy. Initially, the claims dealt with race at UCLA, broaching topics such as the racial makeup of UCLA, meritocracy, and truth. Eventually, the conversation evolves into whether it should be okay to exclude people based on race.
Midway through, Peter joins the two students. Reid Nicewonder, the President of Street Epistemology International, moderates the conversation. There are several points of disagreement between Peter and the students, particularly when it comes to meritocracy and racial affinity groups.
0:00 Intro
0:30 Claims about race at UCLA
4:43 Peter joins game
7:00 Claims about separating races
12:45 More claims about race at UCLA
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You’re wasting your time on the yoing. Most have no intrest in consistency
What about voluntary association by culture or sect or religion? Is this not as bad as voluntary association by "race"?
@@rachelforshee6014i ain't laughing. It was uncomfortable to watch young people be so...i can't think of a word to best describe it😢 got it unaware.
@drpeterboghossian Hi Peter. Have you thought of talking to Roland Fryer? He has a very good message that needs spreading about DEI. He gave a great interview with Bari Weiss at UATX. A very uplifting listen.
I'm having a hard time squaring "you always feel better around people who look like you" with "diversity is our strength".
It is a bit disarming to immerse oneself in environments where everyone is different from .what is familiar. That being said, if one goes with it, that which is gained from the experience is immeasurable.
Just imagine what it's like to live and study in a country where almost Noone speaks your native tongue; it's culture shock, but the initial discomfort does pass, and you come out of it seeing the world with such a broader lense. If nothing else, you appreciate diversity on a whole other level.
@@dettroitdominadora thats not what he is refering to, he said both statements seem to contradict each other
@@dettroitdominadora also diversity without at least a minimum amount of social cohesion is unsustainable
"You always feel better around people who look like you" is for minorities.
"Diversity is our strength" is for YOU.
Simple as that.
@cdavid0715 I don't disagree. I think intention is a big part of that as well. If one approaches the new environment with the acceptance that the person is the new element, he or she will have an easier time of it. Also, there's alot to be said for "when in Rome...". People are so much more welcoming when the outsider has enthusiasm to learn about and join in on the culture the individual is visiting.
"I don't believe in segregation but I do believe in separation." 🤣
I was hoping they would ask him what the difference is when he said that! The mental gymnastics that would’ve ensued would’ve been great!
This is our future generations. Teachers should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen in their schools. Generations of retards.
I fully agree with that statement he made and find nothing wrong with it. You've been conditioned to reflexively find it objectionable, but it isn't.
Segregation is the forced, de jure isolation of one group from another. It is unethical. Separation is merely the voluntary choice to isolate apart from others and with one's own kind. It is one of the most ingrained and natural impulses humans have, and so long as it is done privately and not enforced by law, is perfectly morally acceptable.
it's almost as if the rich white, Ivy League liberals have tricked blacks into 'segregating themselves' under the guise of 'separation' and safe spaces.....
@@Muonium1 though I see what Peter was saying I think you put this beautifully and I definitely side with you!
Obviously the black student holds racist views
He doesn't think it's racist because he doesn't think black people can be racist, because "history" smh.
Most of them are,, proof,, understand what Scott Adams was referencing
He may have, but those views come from a long history in the U.S. that was made indelible in the lives of many. We aren’t very far away from those past generations that have experienced that institutional racism.
There are still people in the South that talk about the “war of northern aggression” as if it was a recent event when they refer to the U.S. Civil war from 1861-1865. The events, feelings and even the trauma can be transmitted generationally even though society has changed.
It doesn’t seem reasonable, but human beings are a bundle of contradictions.
Anyone just looking at massive violence of two world wars in the twentieth century and the resulting Cold War after WW II would find it difficult to justify the vast slaughter that occurred
@@danporath536 It starts with what children learn every day. And our society hasnt been learning a model that will create a society free of hypocrisy and contradictions. And everything today is a power play.
@@keithbright-xy7sg
No society in human history has been free of hypocrisy and contradictions, nor logical fallacies, biases or heuristics. We will likely never correct for this unless we become machines devoid of our own humanity.
Peter missed a great opportunity to ask the track athlete if he thought that people with less athletic talent should be able compete in track with compensations to provide more equitable distribution of body types. I suspect he would say that track should remain meritocratic.
That would have been great.
Make it like NASCAR. Or Nerf the better performing athletes somehow. 😂
ooohh yeah good one.
It's about forcing YOU to allow THEIR diversity. Aka more foreigners who h a t e YOU and want more of THEMSELVES to take over.
Very good comment! I wish I could see his face when he hears it :D White people are so underrepresented in sports. How unfair! But they deserve exactly as much equity as you do. Don't they. ? :D
He says he never sees people who look like him on campus but he’s President of an association of people who look like him on campus 🤔.
they literally mean figuratively
@@dyingalive Literally there is no they, only a he. Who I do not believe was speaking figuratively because people only speak literally nowadays.
It's about forcing YOU to allow THEIR diversity. Aka more foreigners who h a t e YOU and want more of THEMSELVES to take over.
@@littlecatfeet9064 meant they as in the sort of regressive that says this sort of thing. It's a catechism this individual is simply repeating not something they actually believe and thought up. For example I expect they could have gone to a historically black college if it mattered. Check the recent Miriam Webster addition to the definition of 'Literally' for extra absurdity.
@@dyingalive I look forward to the absurdity ☺️
Unlikely they got to UCLA on an academic scholarship.
He got another privilege card that I can think of
He said he is an athlete. He implied that he was good enough for the school to be making money on him.
Affirmative action is banned in california. it still happens but it is less pronounced.
@@chrislieu6757 Unfortunately your statement is likely accurate.
*Edit: I regret saying "likely", very would have been more appropriate to say surely. My bad.
Of course.
What a pair of charmless individuals.
Both utterly unintelligent
Two zeros just taking up space
They still have time to grow and become better. But agreed at this point they are very immature in their thinking
The first guy thinks colleges make money off of track and field athletes?
I was chucklin' at that one.
Buddy if you aren't playing men's basketball or football you aren't making money for your uni.
Ultimately, colleges are a business. That's what they've been turned into anyway. Keeping that in mind begs the question: why would any business not eliminate - but _perpetuate_ - some aspect or activity conducted within its purview when that thing is a known money sink?..
Big Track and Field is making TRILLONS
@@SineEyedUniversities are not a business. They may have to deal with economic realities, but they do not exist to generate a profit, they exist to generate and disperse knowledge.
@@cyberftIdeally yes, but in reality universities want money more than they want to teach
Neither are very articulate. And this is UCLA. But one has the excuse of English being his second language.
They couldn't comprehend basic questions and concepts, it was actually uncomfortable for me to watch them struggle to keep up and few things make me uncomfy lol.
Both should prevent them from being in a US English based university, no?
The Italian spoke near perfect English with a barely noticeable accent. It wasn't a language issue.
It's like they're still mentally 10 years old. @@CommanderRiker0
They just dont measure up.
This is what happens when you’re taught you’re a victim all your life… But you’re going to an accredited on a scholarship. They want an equal but separate themselves at any chance they can. This creates a fractured identity and fractured way of thinking.
There is nuance and complexity to this. You have to understand the history of housing and schooling and racial inequality
With among other bad outcomes, a fractured society
I just find the current discussion on race to be odd.
@@matthewnunya100yes we do but that doesn’t mean that current segregation is ok or a solution. It blows my mind we are still talking about this issue
Its called liberation .
>goes out of his way to leave Chicago
>expects everywhere he goes to look like Chicago
Arrogant. Painfully sheltered. Unreasonable.
Ridiculous, self-centered and annoying.
It’s like how some white expats feel in China.
It’s an absolutely normal thing for a human to WANT. And an absurd thing for a human to EXPECT.
@@UncleTom854-bm5lv There's no such thing as an HBCU. There are HBCs, and there are HBUs. We don't call it college/university football. It's college football, even though 95 percent of the schools that participate are actually universities.
I found that one quite interesting, it’s like should Mexicans be forced out of LA because they don’t look like you? That was a wild claim he made
Claim: If you want the best track and field team you should look for the fastest and strongest people. Move.
"But that would make the truth not the truth". LOL!
“Hey that is only using quantitative…you know,,,only quants.” wtf????
This would have been the best line of reasoning. Does the track dude think that if there was a slower but more disadvantaged track applicant, they should have taken his place at university?
This is painful
Yes indeed, watching this really hurts.
Very. Its a mix of low IQ plus terrible education. Its like a double negative.
Peter needs to learn how to flip the question in the case of race. Like how would the black student feel if they were white clubs that were allowed to exclude black students based on their skin color? If the black student thinks it's okay then he is at least consistent in his reasoning. If the student thinks it is not okay then he has to explain why it's okay for one race and not another.
I agree with you. Im not attacking OP. I just like this spot. I'm gonna be a sorta prick - the comment section is my therapy. Why are we accepting open anti-white racism from everyone? Tired of it. Anyone else notice we dont see many black men talking about the preservation of their race?? Why do you suppose that is? It's cuz the possibility of access to white women is on the table. If I were a black woman, I'd be mad about that. Why are we being forced to be around people we maybe don't want to be around? It's not gonna work. Discrimination is natural - in marriage you pick one person over EVERYone else. Is that not discrimination? Everyone remember the talk about "rape culture"? Is it a coincidence that came with the massive miscegenation propaganda tsunami? Hmmmm... lots of strong-arming going on at colleges I bet.
The black dude already said that it's fine to have a club, where you exclude other races. He said it again, when he was talking about doing a BLM(buy large mansions) protest, where the white people would have to protest somewhere else.
@@corystarkiller if you listen carefully, he did not say at all that it would be okay for white people to have a club excluding black people. he said it was okay to have a black club excluding whites. this is standard practice today where people think you can't be racist towards white people.
there's a difference between those two things, but I'm not surprised you missed it.
@@CrudelyMade No, he said that it's fine for people to want to be around their own race, and that collaboration is how you bring them together. I'm not surprised you missed it, as you brought additional assumptions that weren't discussed.
@@corystarkillerwhat would
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One of my favorite spots on campus. It amazes me the overall subpar communication skills exhibited in most college videos these days. Not only are their ideas whacked, they can’t even articulate them beyond a second grade level.
Look at the AirPods hanging out of his ear. Grew up like that I’m sure.
The one black student pretty much alluded to the fact that he got in on an athletic scholarship, so it's not really that surprising. I do think peter picked out two of the worst students walking around to participate in this debate. I've seen far better in his previous videos, where at the very least, they don't look like a deer caught in headlights when asked a question.
Even Columbia, Yale, and Harvard have gone woke. That says a lot, given they are Ivy League schools.
Any time the conversation goes beyond comprehension levels, there’s a reverting to default settings.
“Because 400 years ago…”.
Truly an inspiration to us all.
Especially since many of those Asian kids who are over-represented at colleges around the country are the children themselves of very poor immigrants who worked their asses off when they came to this country. Many of these same kids lived in very poor neighborhoods, and their parents spent all their money on their children's educations, including tutoring. It really has to do with how much your society values education. In general, Asian communities in the US value education above all else. That's why they out-compete every other race when it comes to academic achievement.
2 minutes in and I already find this deeply troubling. The guy with dark skin is effectively saying he feels uncomfortable being around people of different skin colours. Is this pure racism, or is he using race/skin colour as a proxy for culture? If the latter, then isn't assuming culture based off skin colour racist?
From my take it he was using it as mainly race which to him also equates to culture (heavy emphasis on race).
I agree with the first guy, i want to see all white faces.
It's purely about race, I'm sure. The phrase "people who look like me" is exactly what is sounds like. It's about skin colour.
That guy is a black supremacist, imo. Note when asked if black students at UCLA should be in the same proportion as the rest of the country, he agrees, but only because that would mean more black students then there are currently. Ideally, I believe he would want all black students, or at least no white students, if that were an option and he felt he had the woke-language skills to argue that point without sounding blatantly racist even to himself.
There are a lot of dangerous and disgusting beliefs hidden in these phrases, words and cliches that can sound so reasonable.
@@petmensan why?
@@Gingerblazedo you think at the core of most people - they want(or prefer) to live around people of the same race as them? As in given the chance to live in a middle class neighborhood but they can pick from a majority black, majority white or majority brown area - who do you think they will choose? We will say this person is white . How many people do you think would choose to live in a city where they are the minority?
I find this topic interesting because people usually will say something but their actions tell me something else
They are being taught very racist ideas. Equating being black to being impoverished and uneducated. He literally talked about black people not needing the same grades and scores as Asians and Whites in the suburbs because of resources like tutors. AS IF all black people live in the inner city and none live in the suburbs. I’m black and grew up in the suburbs and I’ve never experienced racism. They are arguing for a class problem but the making that lower class black people.
And to pretend like white kids having tutors is common is ridiculous. White kids tend to have parents who stay on top of their kuds studying and doing homework, is that what he considers tutors??
If I was in your shoes I think I would feel hella frustrated with how pervasive the racial narrative is. It must be disappointing to keep hearing these individuals perpetuate this unhelpful way of seeing the world. In a similar position, I might feel kinda powerless--I don't even know what could maybe do, but I know I'd be wishing there was _something_ that could be done. And I'd wanna do something if I could. I don't like feeling like there's nothing I can do, so I empathize with the position you're in. That's assuming, of course, that any of my speculations on how it is for you to process this stuff was in any way accurate. I dunno, I coulda been way off. Really I just wanted to acknowledge the stuff you said in your post, and the position you're in..
were, not was @@SineEyed
That is a trend, but it doesn't perfectly correlate with race. This is the problem with quotas. I am in favour of considerations for disadvantages of growing up. For example, if student X gets a B attending school where the average grade is an B, and student Y gets a B attent school where the average grade is a D... I think student Y should be admitted ahead of student X. However, none of that has anything to do with race. Skin deep diversity is nonsense. I live in the UK, our government has black and brown politicians, but they went to Eton or Harrow just like all the white politicians, so there's no meaningful diversity of background or opinion, just looks.
"Our schools suck, it aint fair." What a load of shit, any STEM student will tell you that you gotta teach yourself, there's no magic tutoring. So sick of that argument, it's just a straight up lie. They get bad grades because they're not getting on the internet to better understand Algebra and get a head start on calculus. They're not going to the library and reading for 4 hours.
It's endless excuses. Where are the Japanese American excuses for being locked up during that one War and stripped of rights & freedom?
/endthread
It’s sad how stupid our nation is. Without logic we’re doomed, bc we’re lacking empathy severely too. It’s over.
Truth. We lack logic, empathy and critical thinking. We seem to only be able to regurgitate bad ideas endlessly.
This is what the smart phone has done, dumbing down an entire generation.
So he wants to be around more people that look like him, but he chose to go to a school where there aren't many of them? Does he know he can transfer to another school?
Have u been on the UCLA campus in the last 3 decades?
Like Memphis or Morehouse.
There’s an issue when he’s struggling to comprehend basic questions.
Almost like he and his brothers have zero business attending high ranking schools. They're totally infantalized and loving it.
@@-Monad- that's not a reasonable thing to say at all. And that's about the nicest way I could say that to you..
@@-Monad-I didn’t realize they revealed his academic credentials. What part of the video did that happen?
@@SineEyedLMAOOOOO YOU WESTERNERS ARE WEAK AND PATHETIC
@@cyberfthe kinda did when he said him and his brothers(siblings?) are all in top colleges and "thriving".
Their grades weren't good enough to get them in those schools by themselves.
College admissions should be entirely based on merit. Why is this even a debate?
Bizarre. I have always been drawn more to people who share my affinities (interests, passions, hobbies) little to no interest in people who “look like me.”
This is exactly what DEI "training" and woke thinking churns out. Well done video!
The black students principals are being defined through his resentment.
He said he’s from Chicago that’s all they teach the kids is resentment. And get them trapped into the cycle and then make sure it’s all they will ever know
@@gbalfour9618 And it's really sad. They're basically setting them up for failure. I can't even imagine what it would be like to grow up believing most of the other people in the country just automatically hate me for reasons beyond my control.
@@PlanetCharnBabyblessed to have missed that lesson. That thinking was always around me, but never my own. I wish I knew exactly why, though I have suspicions.
This is really sad and these kids are missing critical thinking skills and they are in a top
League school. This is pretty embarrassing.
The problem is, they're taught this victimhood in those elite colleges. They're taught to look through a racial lens, and everything is about the oppressed vs oppressors.
What a train wreck. It’s interesting to watch but just fills me with sadness at the lack of genuine understanding of how illogical their reasoning is.
Why does the overtly racist black student not simply transfer to an HBCU????? What is UCLA offering that Mississippi Valley St is not offering and why?
Bc he's lying about wanting to be around orher blacks..
It’s funny you mention that. About five or so years ago, the top high school basketball player committed to an HBCU. The media swore that his decision was going to create a wave of top black high school athletes to do the same. They didn’t, despite the open doors that the HBCUs were offering.
Nobody hate's blacks more than other blacks.
The black student athlete from Chicago could have easily chosen an HBCU if he wanted to see more students like himself.
Howard, Morehouse, Memphis and others have a black student population.
Racists gonna racist
Christ, this is a frustrating watch. I'm thankful for you and your intellect Peter. 🙏
It’s brutal to hear the racist ideas of the youth, thanks Dr. B.
It's amazing to watch such blatant and thoughtless racism paraded so proudly. By students no less.
"I don't believe in segregation, but I believe in separation." 🤣😂🤣😂
Do they have academic requirements for their athletes?
It's always interesting to see people viewing their own race as a monolith. I have more in common with people who share my interests and moral views than share my skin color. Also, where are these "white only spaces" at?
Yeah, I missed out on the private club invite, I guess.
The crazy thing is that his grandparents or great grandparents likely fought against "separate but equal".
I assume he is referring to enforced vs. voluntary segregation.
Wow. I thought UCLA had high academic standards? But those guys are actual, registered students there?
Western colleges have greatly reduced criteria to appease democrats.
It depends on their major. UCLA is a state university with affordable tuition. But most of the California system has gone woke, including UC-Berkeley.
I think he would help them understand this problem better if he used running track as examples. Best runners get qualified. Period.
They did resort to that at one stage.
The problem lies with excellence in a physical activity is not the equivalent of excellence in intellectual pursuits.
Peter said "I can't add up, I'd be useless teaching maths". This was an error. He CAN add up, and he wouldn't be useless.
He would be less useful than someone who was gifted with maths ability, but not useless.
Because intelligence provides individuals with access to intellectual pursuits.
Physical prowess provides access to ALL physical pursuits.
The students failed to enter into that domain.
Just as Peter fails to enter into the domain of psychology and remains a materialist. It's the "framing" problem.
Please explain to me how “I don’t see people who look like me” isn’t an incredibly bigoted, prejudicial, and ignorant statement? Other people being a slightly different color human isn’t “like you” enough? Is complaining that I’m not perpetually surrounded by a sufficient number of white people cool too? What a way to pronounce to the world that you essentialize and judge everyone around you based on nothing more than their skin color. It still shocks me the kind of regressive ideas and phrases we’ve adopted as progress.
White people are the best! 😊
On that one I have to agree with the young man. He didn’t mean just color. Relatability is everything. Example: as a female I feel more at ease and safer in a group of bunch of other girls as opposed being an only woman in a group of men. Also, other girls can relate to my experience better than guys, and I can find the understaning I need easier surrounded by the likes of me - shared experience. Same way cultural and racial relatability and commonalities are of great importance to people, it’s very natural. That said, while the young man would feel better seeing more people around looking like him, I’d prefer they all get into the university based on their hard work and skills and not based on preferential „race-conscious” admissions - these are nonesense.
It's like the fire chief looking for the arsonist when the arsonist is the fire chief lol
It's about forcing YOU to allow THEIR diversity. Aka more foreigners who h a t e YOU and want more of THEMSELVES to take over.
The entire world feels this way. It's the norm around the globe. There is nothing weird or wrong about prefering to be around people who look like yourself, and that doesnt make anyone bigoted or racist. Only white liberals show an out-group preference, which is just their self-hatred and brainwash-imposed-guilt expressing itself.
The sheer amount of ignorance and entitlement one has to say "When your race does something, it's racism. When my race does the same exact thing, it's no problem because of 'context' " is mind-numbingly stupid. As an American, I hate where the US is in it's current state. Nothing makes any sense at all and people's ways of thinking are so twisted. I also hate the other Western nations following the US's example of race obsession like mindless zombies. That's one of the reasons why I live in East Asia where people don't spend all day, every day obsessing over race and constantly seek out reasons to be divided. I'd also like to point out that I'm a white dude who will oftentimes go weeks, if not a month, without seeing anyone who looks like me. Kids these days are so soft mentally that it makes me wonder what things are going to look like in the West in the coming years.
Man, these kids are wild for believing this way of thinking is ok. This is literally everything against what MLK and millions fought for. This kid is part of the problem and why this crap continues.
The black guy is really hard to listen to, you can almost hear the handful of brain cells rattle when he tries to communicate a coherent , non-parroted thought.
This is why he is there for sports XD
Look, I disagree with the guy, too, but we're not here to be ugly towards others. How do any of us expect someone else to be willing to pursue the truth together with that sort of attitude?
@@Thejonthomas I thought I was being charitable. I doubt he's reading these comments
Dude, these people are insane.
What a different era of thinking. Its like we have gone back to 1950’s. I feel confortable around people who dont have guards up when they see my race. I have made great friends and learned about the person, not the color. I wouldnt be the person I am if I stopped myself from knowing people based on their skin.
Mission Accomplished
The average white person doesn't even realize the racism black people to show to them every single day. White people are programmed to think they're the racists, therefore they can't imagine it happening in reverse
9:55 , so yeah, basically, he is a racist, but he couches it in BS to not seem racist.
I'm a 6ft3 long haired red head, i don't want to see anyone else who looks like me, and that's because i'm secure in who I am
Same--almost literally lol. I'm 6'04" and ditto the rest. I'm inclined to add, however, that there's a little more to it than simply being secure in oneself. Like... I have no real interest in seeing someone who looks like me because I kinda worry that some type of Highlander shit would be about to go down. I mean, if I spotted you walking towards me if we were at some outdoor festival for example, I'd be thinking, "WTF? Who's this guy all the sudden? Looking all tall and ruggedly handsome and shit. Dammit those sunglasses he's got on look killer too. Dude's got good taste as well? Shit... if that motherfucker comes up to me like _"THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE"_ ...then it's bad news for everyone else here because we're about to tap into Roots Bloody Roots shit: viking edition!".. 😜
You can be secure in who you are while desiring to be around people who share your similarities.
It is simply human nature to be around people who look like us.
Otherwise, we would not have *culture* .
Certainly this desire can become malignant.
I don’t think he ever said he wants to be around be people around the same height and w/ the same hair as him. He was just talking about ethnically. Whether that’s right or wrong is a different topic, but you’re mischaracterizing his point.
Meritocracy is too hard . 😳
Idiocracy is worse. Do you want a doctor who knows what they’re doing, or one that slid through life on a priviledge of race-conscious admissions and hiring quotas and won’t make the right diagnosis if it was written all over your body?
@@KrisssValnor sarcasm .
It's also "unfair" - that's where Liberal Democracy goes wrong all the time.
@@AndyJarman Merit should be the only "fair" supported .
You should have asked if he would want to hangout with other black people that had completely different political ideals as him. I'm pretty sure if political ideas were involved, there would be a few choice names that would be thrown around.
I would ask if he wanted to hang out with the all black musical theatre association.
I wonder if they know there are about 1 out of 10 people are Black in the US.
You know, they say that there are too many racists in the US. After listening to what these students say, well, I kinda agree.
I wonder if they know that 1 out of 10 is 10%
The actual number is around 1 out of 7, in any case.
It is 13%. And no, they think they are the oppressed majority
Did you not watch the video? The black dude literally argues there should be more black people on campus because it is currently 3% and he says it should be 13% to reflect society...
@courageousmelon5654 well, maybe they should study and get the grades. Colleges are supposed to be meritorious, so your solution is to dumb down our universities even more gg
If they want to exclude themselves, then that’s fine but understand what happens with that.
They won't stop until there's no more huwhyte peepoo in the planet. Juis are only huwhyte when convenient to themselves.
I admire Peter in being so steadfast in defense of liberal values. Some of us haven't forgotten MLKs dream.
It was great to see Peter involved in the Spectrum for a change. I'd love to see him do that more! Great video!
2:01 i dont understand this at all. Theres never been a single time in my life where i was like "oh man, i dont see any white people, i wish there were more white people around me" even when living in 99% black areas..why do these people feel and think that way? It says a lot more about their idea of races than it says of us.
I see what you mean. But then again, I lived for 3 years in a country people like me are rare to come across. While I very much appreciated my host country and its local people who scooped me up and (mostly) treated like their own, I craved those moments I could talk with another white from a developed country. Relatability, commonalities, familarity, shared experience of what it is to be „me” - they all feel good. It’s only natural.
@KrisssValnor you....can though? Just call someone, FaceTime, invite them out and go out. But your case isn't really the same as what they (or i) are talking about. The convo was about in america, and in American cultures and cities; I can imagine being in another country WOULD cause those feelings, but in america thinfs are different. Cultures are much more similar (yet different) from state to state and its not hard to find people of your race at all, at max maybe a 2 hour drive if you're in like a very white area or something, but it's not like there's no one of your race to see anywhere and its not like its hard to find others. If you're in a heavily one-race area in america, just drive 30 minutes and it's fixed
While I understand and agree wirh what you said, its not really a good comparison. Being in another country alone for years would do that to ANYBODY
What country do you live in? What city do you live in? Is it majority white or black?
I think this topic is s as knots impossible to discuss honestly because very few people are going to be brutally honest as they don’t want to be called racist. In my experience though most people generally prefer to live in an area populated by their in-group or race.. not all but most
@brianmeen2158 this convo is about America, so we are talking about America. And I live in an 87% Hispanic area, and previously lived in 99% black areas. Never been a problem or a thought once. It's a silly and racist way to think about your fellow Americans.
@@KrisssValnorThat means immigration is a mistake. Your types will always demand the host country be destroyed to cater to your feelings.
I wonder if the black guy would have understood Peter's point if he would have been asked about having equal representation in sports
This is in the Top Five of SSE. 1. This was somehow simultaneously tense and chill; having a really touchy subject discussed with one guy chilling in a hoodie and another guy eating a bowl of ziti or whatever. 2. It made me think of I go into NYC a lot, way uptown in Washington Heights. I'm 6'6" and white and straight and Washington Heights is comprised of a lot of Cubans and Dominicans and LGBT people, but I don't ever think to myself, "These people don't look like me." You hear and see this all the time, minorities complaining they don't see people who look like them; I can't relate to that concept but maybe it really does matter to other ethnicities and maybe I shouldn't discount that feeling, but I also don't know what that has to do with the purpose of going to college. 3. There should be more SSE segments that interrogate the claim that colleges should be for the purpose of finding, truth, getting a job, racial justice, etc. A foundational problem with higher education is WHY ARE PEOPLE GOING TO COLLEGE? Is it to get a good job, discover reality, fix historical injustices...? 4. A lot of screen time for Reid Nicewonder! That's his real name, you know.
Paragraphs, my friend. Paragraphs.
Step 1 go to a university with few people that "look like me". Step 2 complain about it. 😅
Black trans (or non-binary/two-spirit) people should comprise 50% of every university, company, profession, and government agency.
@@rong2912 I agree. We should all declare ourselves black trans disabled and end discrimination once and for all.
This exact experience that unfolded in this video 100% needs to be a course at every high school and University... full stop. Bravo Peter!
Had to look it up. White students make up 26% of UCLA. Black students make up 6%. Asian 35%. Hispanic 21%. These are undergraduates.
There's a whole continent of people who look like him. Why not go there?
Yicks. This is hard to watch
The Italian eating is hilarious.
I teach in a low-income high school. Thuis school has WAY MORE resources than what many of the parochial schools in the area.
I have mixed thoughts on this.
Race and ethnicity don't always, but often overlap and distinguish different cultural experiences. I can see an argument for a Chicano Club, a Native American Club, or a Polish Club, etc, because these focus on sharing cultural experiences. Growing up I went to German dance, German language classes, and volunteered at local Octoberfest and German Christmas markets. You didn't have to have German ancestry to be a part of the organization, but most people were. Then we would have the big public events, such as Octoberfest, and set that up for everyone of all backgrounds to come and enjoy with us. Being connected to family history and culture can be a very healthy way of meeting the human need to have a sense of belonging and identity, and sharing this culture with others is a great way of connecting as well.
Well, as you said you didn’t have to be German to join. So it wasn’t a segregated club. That’s the difference.
Are you American or from the "new world"? Viewing "culture" as a hobby is very materialist. When you are from the culture you understand these organisations are staging funeral wakes for something that they once knew but is no longer.
It's like digging up a corpse to re-enact events that happened during its life.
And those who "pay to see" the re-enactment, but who have no direct experience of the event are commodifying something as entertainment.
Our local German club is like travelling back in the past. No actual German would engage in the activities they perpetuate.
@AndyJarman I'm not understanding how you would call that a hobby. Sounds like an interpretation based on an assumption these groups are shallow caricatures and not dynamic. Many of the people in these groups were actual German immigrants, not just decendants. My parents also lived in Germany, and we have active communication with our relatives there.
We are Americans. I get being an American of German decent is its own thing. It is a very different culutral experience than a native German in Germany. But it's also a different cultural context than being an American of Portuguese heritage. That's the deal with America. Americans are a conglomeration of immigration. We lack a cohesive cultural identity. Most of our ancestors came here out of desperation, and some by force. It wasn't out of a desire to leave their homeland and families. It's very common to feel a connection to what was left behind, and incorporate that into "New world" customs. That's why I'd argue it is dynamic, rather than "digging up a corpse". It's changing by the very nature of its context and who participates.
It sounds like it's not your cup of tea, which is fine. But the question in the video was regarding if having these clubs was racist not if they were archaic or culturally vapid.
Thanks for sharing your point of view. Probably we are at agree to disagree
@littlecatfeet9064 Thanks for your input. Is this issue because others aren't allowed? Are these college clubs inherently racist ideas, or would it be hostility towards others of a different background which would make them racist?
I can appreciate how others not being allowed can become a problem and become racist. Or if other groups are viewed as negative to associate with.
I'd also argue if the intention of the club is for people to connect over their shared experiences and customs, why would someone of a different background even care about going? It's not like a class where people go to actively learn a language or the history of a specific group of people.
Or if it's a women's book club, is it bad that men aren't invited? Wouldn't a man feel like they didn't belong there? I'm a woman and I'd have no interest in going to a men's book group.
@@manufacturedsmiles5512 Funny about your last sentence, there are hardly any women-only spaces in the Western world now that men can identify into them. Guaranteed that if I tried to start a women-only bookclub it would immediately be filled by men. Anyway, I digress.
I do admit that I support sex-segregated spaces like bathrooms and changerooms from a safety and privacy issue and sex-segregated sports from a fairness issue, but should a public institution like a university have women’s and men’s only bookclubs? I’d argue not because either one excludes half the population from the social and cultural life of the institution. Same with race segregated organisation. The test of its appropriateness is usually imagining a white student only club. I doubt that would even be legal, but in this video there’s a black man complaining that he doesn’t see anyone like him at UCLA while he’s formed a club for people just like him at UCLA. Maybe his problem is that the life he’s led has always been segregated and he expects it to remain that way, with the full support of the uni.
Besides the effects of exclusion and the fact that there could never be a whites-only club my other objection to it is the potential slippery slope. Some unis have POC only common rooms (the next logical step after clubs) but there are many types of POC who don’t automatically get along. Instead of working it out I can see a black students’ common room some days, an Asian or Pacific Islander room on other days as every group asserts its rights to not have to deal with every other group. They’d end up mimicking the rigidly divided Jim Crow era Americans thankfully escaped.
This is not saying everyone has to constantly mix in some kind of utopia. The student in the video is fine to have only black friends who are athletes. But formalising that and excluding others is not the way forward.
POC LOOK for racism.
Do you believe this applies to all people in the world who are not white, or only to some POC? The current wording of your comment is generalising multiple huge demographics like they're a monolith, just a heads-up.
@@RaefonBlike joe Biden says -you ain’t black if you don’t vote for me
@@RaefonB Yes- nowadays there’s a great deal of racism and hatred aimed at white people simply because they’re white.
@@RaefonB I know exactly what I said and I stand by it.
I make no apologies just as the boy in the hoody made no apologies for his racist beliefs.
Just pointing that out to you.
@@cindy-mq6plSo you're gonna counter his racism with some racism of your own? Okay, cool, what a great world we're all gonna be living in.
“LOOKIN BACK” yea, mang, dats all dey got. Never mind doing well scholastically today & overcoming any history.
By lowering admission standards, the entire institution is compromised.
So much pride and indignance in his every breadth resting atop a bed of lies and ignorance.
Fake pride. In truth it's the horrible fear that he might not be good enough for this university. On the progressives part it's the fear that they actually think that black people can't achieve as much as white people. So they turn them into artificial failures, while he might could do well on a less good university. But let's just keep pretending...
It's a philosophy of individualism Vs collectivism. Collectivism is very attractive to naive minds.
Ive often thought of the far left as the weak coming together to defeat the strong.
@@kronk358 what sort of people do you think end up leading this coming together of weakness? Maybe people who are looking to exploit them for their own ends?
Very interesting! One of the best. I really think that Peter should join in on every single one of these videos! Most people are not very articulate and are not adept at making a solid argument. There were times in this video and many others where the person wasn't answering the question. They need somebody to challenge them and to also show them how to make a proper argument.
The guy's example given at around min 12:30, is, again, so weirdly disturbing. If, say, a bunch of Swedes living in Japan wanted to come together to mourn the loss of the lives of some Swedes/ Europeans back in Europe, due to some atrocity that just took place, and some of their Japanese friends wanted to join in, simply to show their solidarity, wouldnt the Swedes feel so sweetly supported? I know I would.
Must …resist….saying….something…..about…….IQ
It's ok when your IQ score is the same number as your 100 meter dash
He said 3% black, but the website says 6% black.
But only 3% of them commit 50% of the... oh wait
@@-Monad- haha. 😬
The athlete currently lives in the top 3 percent of living standards in the world. I would be curious about his opinion and awareness around this.
What the hell? How did the students respond to the bad mathematician being in the math department scenario? Why would you put the prompt in and leave out the response?
day by day, i grow more distain for solipsism
Damn this was a bummer. How did you guys end up finding two of the least articulate and least capable of critical thinking students among all the students at UCLA?
I think you're actually wide off the mark, I think these kinds are typical and representative of what's out there these days, mostly due to no fault of their own. Give them a decade to see the dysfunction and turmoil wrought by DEI, then they will probably deprogram themselves from it.
Every time I listen to college kids speak, I need to look up the definition of words because I'm confused on how they use them. Every time I do, I confirm that I was correct and they are using it completely wrong.
It is bizarre. They will use, "literally", when they mean, "figuratively". They seem to have no understanding of a given word, at all.
I have to say I like what you’re doing, it’s a great approach to understand each other without arguing.
If this student feels so out of place in UCLA, why is he there?
I don’t think that the kids have ever heard the word meritocracy.
This is hard to watch. Can’t believe these are university students, they can’t even understand the prompt.
*i'll bet that their standards go out the window when the other blacks are Nigerian recent immigrants. Then all the sudden it is about culture.*
Nice to see Reid taking part. Good conversation.
It is incredibly destructive, discriminatory and HARMFUL to assume that people of each race think and act alike.
What has being good at sport got to do with education? Why?
Off duty cops hang out with cops, stock brokers hang out with stock brokers, 60 yr olds do not hang out with 19 yr olds. Athletes at college hang out with other athletes. When people of a certain race sometimes like to hang out with the same race, it is a cultural thing not always a race thing.
Very interesting! Thank you very much for uploading! 🤗
Ultimately, university admissions should be based on individual achievement and potential, while at the same time attempting to make the student body as diverse as possible. I think a diverse student population helps bring different perspectives, experiences and ideas into academic discourse.
These youngsters have a very difficult time expressing themselves in a coherent manner.
I’m not even sure they have the brain capacity to fully grasp the questions asked
I’m no expert, but it seemed the students didn’t have a great deal of confidence in what they were asserting - but said it anyway. It’s a whole new world.
I was a member of a Korean student group at UCLA even though I am not Korean. I learned so much about their culture and customs and met many wonderful people. They never exclusion anyone on the basis of race. You don't have to exclude to make it a wonderful experience. The basis for any of that exclusion in the end is fear or anger, and frankly that is racist.
"Wherever I go i want to meet people who look like me". I played it twice to make sure i heard right. Glad that Peter jumped in the game to challenge their beliefs. Wow. These two are brainwashed.
Can you interview Roland Frye?
Alright, I'm convinced we should get rid of University sports programs and by extension athletic scholarships.
Just close down UCLA (and hundreds of other universities), they're damaged beyond repair. Total loss.
This is going to be one of your most watched vids to date
That’s a perfect example of why affirmative action is foolish. MAGA 2024🇺🇸🇺🇸
@drpeterboghossian Love this series. It would be interesting to have you cut to the chase in some of these scenarios and ask Kendiesque questions: "The only solution for past prejudice is present prejudice," or "Asians and Jews who are excluded from college admissions to make room for less qualified candidates should be ok with it," etc.
Thanks. We’ve done that in our videos.
@@drpeterboghossian I'll check it out, thanks.
@@drpeterboghossian - Love your work. Wish I had known you in OR.
If you want more of your "comfort group" at your university, look at your own community and figure out why they aren't studying hard enough or aren't being taught well.
What the black kid is proposing is like quotas on steroids, and the result will eventually be their degree will not be respected.
nailed it
there's a distinct lack of eye contact
The insecurity, narcissism and victimhood complexes of this demographic are at an 11.
In a nutshell...
Oh God, what have we created? This is so depressing. Side Note: I loved seeing Pete jump in and play the game.
Hearing college students speak at almost any university makes me realize how meaningless a degree is
Painful, isn't it...