They have a saying here "God watches over a person who watches over themself." I am not a religious person myself, but I believe it to be a more reasonable attitude than just letting the crisis situation unfold.
Right! Not religious either, but There's an old folk-story about a rabbi stuck in a rising flood. The neighbors yelled at him to evacuate but he refused to move because "God will help me." The flood went up to his waist. Rescue boats were launched and they begged him to get in. "NO" he said. "God will help me." The water got up to his neck. A rescue helicopter flew over, threw him a rope and begged him to grab the line. He said "No, God will help me." Within hours, he was gasping for breath, fighting for his life. He drowned. Next thing he knows, he's dead and staring at God. The rabbi is totally dismayed. "God, I believed in you 100%. Why did you abandon me?? Why didn't you help me?" God replied: " Help you?!? You SCHMUCK! I sent you the NEIGHBOURS, A RESCUE BOAT AND A HELICOPTER YOU DUMBASS!!"
The Captain Afridi , I worked with him. He left aviation and became religion teacher. But he changed his mind and became Pilot again. This was his biggest mistake.
@@marqfordeauto Why would you expect anything else from a Muslim? You don't understand Islam. Theirs is a 100% brainwashed culture. A child can not become a Muslim without comprehensive brainwashing. The result is not only a dim witted population (Muslims have the lowest average IQ of all major religions), but one where the people pay more attention to what their life will be like after they die. This makes them both dim witted and borderline suicidal. Not the personality characteristics an air crew should have. And this is why.air travel to Islamic states should be avoided.
Okay Captain, which do you think will give your airline worse press? Crashing the inaugural flight and killing everyone on board, or diverting the inaugural flight because of bad weather?
If you're a former airforce pilot with a big ego, admitting that you can't deliver is the worst thing I imagine. Screw the company, screw those passengers and screw the FO. It's all about me me me. Say, anyone ever heard of the B-52 pilot who crashed his plane killing the entire crew just because he fantasized being a top gun fighter pilot? Or, the C-17 pilot who crashed his plane killing the entire crew just because he fantasized being a top gun fighter pilot? And of course we never hear about actual fighter pilots who crash their plane killing just themselves because those incidents can be expected from time to time.
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I don't understand this. One of the very basic things a student pilot learns is, level the wings, FULL power, raise the nose level when safe, as the airspeed comes up, start a climb,. positive rate, gear up, the flaps up as the aircraft gains altitude. It's basic airmanship. So I guess the PR was better landing at destination even though they were all killed, then diverting which would be bad PR. "Hey, we made it to Islamabad, we just didn't make it alive"
@@BGI_guy Of course, but I'm sure they weren't _intending_ to crash. They were taking chances, of course, but they undoubtedly thought they could make it.
A total disregard for the lives of the passengers was the real cause because if things were different the pilot will never try to fly an airplane he was not trained for.
It’s amazing because usually the aviation industry is hyper sensitive about safety issues. I mean once on one of my first days as part of the ground crew teams I’m riding the van that’s taking us across the airfield to the next 737 max 8 that had recently landed to clean it and I spot a half full bottle of water seemingly discarded in the middle of the taxi way leading to the bottom of the runway where the planes get into position to power up along the runway and takeoff. I’m surprised so I say what I see out loud. This made my supervisor stop the van hard and demand where I’m seeing it. He follows to where I’m pointing and then gets on the handheld radio to report it. He thanked me, but it wasn’t until later I learned that the planes were grounded and incoming planes were put in a circling holding pattern for about half an hour while the offending bottle was removed and the rest of the taxi ways, apron, aircraft stands and the runway itself were carefully examined for and more FOD then re-opened. All that happened because a cleaner on her first week on the job had spotted something wrong and been taken seriously. That’s what the aviation industry is normally like. Safety is priority and so even the most lesser of employees are trained to look, and report even when they just feel that something isn’t right. I’m just amazed things like this story keep on happening.
"A total disregard for the lives." Well a small car can kill many people if it was driven by a drunk driver. An engineer can make calculation mistakes then the bridge falls down killing many people. Untrained parents keep producing more babies who turned into street beggars. And there is no training manual for being a politician which made Sri Lanka go bankrupt. Still pilots fly airplanes they are not trained for because of human over population. Take care...
You should not need any specific 737 training to know that you need to add power in this situation. It really boggles my mind that such a people would be allowed to drive a taxi let alone captain a 737.
@@scumpoozie Me too. I had a minibike when I was a kid and this method saved me on more than one occasion. I knew another kid though who wasn't so lucky. He went into a stall and skinned one of his knees pretty badly. Unfortunately for him, he had short legs and couldn't stop the bike from falling over when he got down to about 3 kph.
As someone who studies aviation safety, halfway through the video listening to the scenario sounds like a textbook microburst. (quite literally, nose up, loss of altitude, loss of airspeed is the exact sequence brought up in more than one of my aviation textbooks) it's incredibly important for pilots to understand that you should not mess around with torrential rain. it can and will push airliners into the ground like they're paper airplanes.
@@lollmaowow2968 just think that one through for a moment and careful you won't get caught up in a spiral of trying to explain away all the questions that are inevitably going to come up I've got one for you aswell If God wants everyone to believe in him and follow his rules, since it's the right thing to do Why didn't he choose a better way of telling us about his glory than an old book that's missing some chapters Like he made everything right? He controls everything right? Why does he force people to go to hell and suffer forever? Why does he not give all of us the knowledge about his glory in a way that'd be accessible to everyone and can't be misunderstood?
@@lollmaowow2968 So tell me, if a pilot gets in an aircraft, and sits there doing jack shit, will the aircraft start itself up, taxi to the runway and fly itself to the destination? If god controls everything then why do we need pilots in the first place? Or even truck drivers, train drivers, even you driving your own car, its all pointless right?
My best flight experience ever was in a BAE-146 flying through a squall line on the approach to landing. The pint-sized 4 engine aircraft was absolutely in its element with every control system working its heart out to take every blow weather could provide and constantly correct roll pitch and attitude forces till achieving a perfect landing
As a guy who regularly used to fly through Pakistani airspace and knows a few people around their aviation industry, i can tell you that they probably have few of the best ATC's around on planet earth, who are humble, kind and respectful...But my god their aviation system is a joke and a half, and their airline procedures are farcical at best. This is coming from an Indian so take it with a pinch of salt if you want.
Their airforce shot down two Indian fighter jets in 2019 and captured a pilot. So at least their airforce is pretty strong. Commercial aviation will probably take a few years.
@@scwappycoco those two aircrafts should not be in air at all.... Indian government especially congress made this situation to use old outdated aircrafts, and those aircraft were malfunctioned (and they do have this history of getting malfunctioned in flight such that pilot have to eject), thus forcing pilot to eject and get caught....
@@scwappycoco last year two more pakistani pilots doomed flight with unstable (high above glideslope) approach and without landing gear, and after scratching both engines in runway (making hydraulic and oil lines puncture) they did go around to get crashed near airport
The extreme differences in the skill levels in some of these commercial pilots is what gets me. For every Sully, Haynes, Dardano, etc., you have pilots like this captain and his crew and the two idiots on Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701.
What I don’t understand is why there are so many “fake” pilots in that area of the world. Yeah, you can get by on inadequate training but you can also DIE! So they know they aren’t trained, or know they have a fake license but how can they not know they are risking their life?
I remember this crash. I heard people from the nearby village immediately rushed and picked whatever belongings they could get including cash and gold. Rescue team hadn’t even arrived.
This is past something basic students learn. This is something anyone who even plays video games or has watched anything with an airplane knows. You always go full speed and lower the nose if you stall.
@@randybobandy9208 Im not sure, on underwing mounted engines TOGA throttle with cause a violent pitch up of the nose which is of course not what you want in a stall. At least for the A320 which I am a FO, you SLOWLY increase power, allowing either a pilot to trim nose down or the auto-trim to hold the nose where it is making sure to not make the stall worse. I can imagine the procedure is similar for the 737
@@Rapscallion2009 I’m not a pilot, but from what little I understand if the autopilot is on, and the human pilot makes a strong enough movement manually with his flight controls be it yoke or side stick then I think that will disconnect the autopilot. But nowadays the aircraft will bleep at the pilots whenever the autopilot disconnects. I’m not sure about the auto throttle though. One of the tragic things about that flight is that Airbus has included a system that can allow one pilot to take control from the other one in emergencies. I think pilots are trained that if one sees the other doing something potentially dangerous then he can say “my aircraft” and the other one is supposed to let go of the controls. Which it sounds like the FO should have done here. But if the captain doesn’t let go, then the FO can press a button on his side stick and hold it down. While he’s doing that the aircraft will ignore all inputs from the captain side and verbally announce it he first officer side has priority control. At that point if the captain wants control over the plane back, he has to force the FO to let go of the button by attacking him physically. Sadly, when a captain makes mistakes and the first officer doesn’t save the aircraft because he’s too scared to challenge the captain has crashed more than one airliner jet.
@@Rapscallion2009 At lease on Airbus planes, if you set the lever to toga, you’ll get full thrust no matter if auto throttle is engaged. I believe there is a TOGA button on the 737 throttle instead of a detent which commands full thrust immediately. I doubt they had auto throttle engaged in this case because it would increase power to maintain speed ignoring the AOA
Technically Bhoja Air did have a system to track the performance of a pilot, it's just that the system only reported when there was a serious accident costing the lives of many onboard and the loss of a hull. At which point such reports become irrelevant.
"He's not a good pilot." "No?" "No. He crashed a plane." "Guess we shouldn't continue to use his piloting services then." "No, no I don't think we should. We couldn't anyway, but we shouldn't too."
you always go around as soon as you get a wind shear warning. by the time you react to the windshear alert it could be too late! let alone the gpws. my instructor flies 737's for Alaska, and used to fly 747's for kalitta
But human psyche plays the big factor here. Isn't it. . . Tenerife, other examples from the U.S. whose names slip my mind for now... have happened aa the PIC was hell vent on either covering up on lost time... or wanting to not divert but land at the scheduled airport... so as to not mis out on suitable rostering for the near future flights. Or simply being too exhausted to have to come back from the alternate airport or under moral or actual pressure from the company and/or the management to not increase incidental costs for the company. . . Diversions often lead to delays of subsequent flights or ancillary costs of rebooting the connecting flights of the PAX or adjusting them with flights on some other partner airline. . I am not defending this crew. . But just that Homo sapiens or any other thinking being are always put into subjective situations... or rather.. having to make subjective choices, take decisions which are fluid.. based on situations. . Pardon my lack of good communication skills and poor language.
@@sailaab that's why pilots are highly trained professionals. All of those things come 2nd to the safety of the flight. You see thunderstorms you divert. You get a windshear warning you go around.
@@sailaab Also Birgenair flight 301 where the crew refused to abort takeoff despite severe pitot tube problems because they were just itching to get home.
Boja twice stopped flying and currently does not operate. The owner, Mr. Boja suffered a grave tragedy when his only child & son was kidnapped and a demand was made of Rs50,000,000 which he paid only to find that his son was returned in dead cut into 5 pieces.. could this have affected the airline or was it one of the dead passengers’ loved one taking revenge.. Does anyone know any more about this?
"The pilots still had no idea how to save the plane" Disable autopilot, disable autothrottle, jam the thrust levers all the way forward, and slowly start pitching up. How is this not embedded in every pilot's brain as soon as shit like this goes down and you have a fully operational aircraft that isn't giving any trouble?
@Jaquan Kelsor bruh a fucking 12-year-old could save the plane why can't a trained professional who is in their 40s or 50s prob with 10k hrs and military experience not fuck up this much m8?
Yeah since they all (mentour pilot as well for example) use flight simulator 2020, it looks so much more like what you might see on mayday or so instead of some bloke's cheap UA-cam video. Adds to the immersion a lot!
Thank you! I like watching airplane disaster videos because I don't have to fly ever again. I've watched the hour long videos but I like yours. They are 10 to 15 minutes long and I get just as much information. Great job friend! I've been subbed to you for a year or so. You are the only channel like this I care to sub to...
terrain avoidance... even a private pilot knows about that, it's like the ABC, just like applying full power when you're dangerously close to the ground. It's so obvious that.. the only explanation is.. I don't know, really. That's why I try to stick to a few safe airlines when I travel which fortunately is not that often.
That's true...and the Titanic could have slowed her speed going through an ice field. But that would have put her behind schedule into port. One man gambles...many people lose. Not the first and unfortunately not the last.
"No God will help us". Well, he got that right, though I think the captain meant "No, God will help us". A comma makes a big difference in meaning. Just sayin'.
he is covering because he want people to realize that don't take your chances for those pilots who's academic qualifications are suspicious. This covering is bringing more and more realization in the minds of people to think twice before they take any flight inside of Pakistan.
Don't fly a Pakistani airline would also be a good lesson. The pilot also violated all norms of professionalism including the sterile cockpit requirement.
Exactly!!! I did fly PIA once from Islamabad to Dubai as i missed the Emirates flight… thankfully i made it alive but it was a very uncomfortable experience given the abysmal safety record in Pakistan
Also, 1.) Aviate 2.) Navigate 3.) Communicate. Not even autopilot was aviating; there wasn't anyone or anything even flying the plane. My prayers are with the souls of those who died and their loved ones. 🙏🏻 I also know it's their job, but my heart always also goes out to the investigators (and ATCs, 1st responders, etc.). This can never be easy, and I can't help but think that listening to the CVR would be one of the more difficult aspects of any investigation - literally listening to the last moments of people's lives. 💔 I hope everyone here stays safe and has a great day.
The pilots weren't even intelligent enough to know their training was woefully inadequate. The fact they were air force veterans is doubly damning because their air force didn't even impart basic airmanship skills. Now, consider this: Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
Main reason for this crash is they weren't sufficiently trained on dealing with such weather conditions, which spooked and confused them. Also, they each have only 82 hrs experience on this newer model 737 which didn't help
Part of the problem is the culture. Some cultures believe that they have very little control over their lives because their lives are completely dependent on the whims of God. So instead of actively taking control of their life they leave their fate in the hands of God.
The saying goes that God will provide. In other words he gave you the tools and brains to fix the situation. How could anyone live like this, basically blaming God for everything.
A man gets caught in a flood and prays to God for help. A boat comes by and asks if he needs help. He says, "No, God will help me." Another boat comes by and he says, "I have prayed to God for help, so I will be okay." A helicopter flies past and offers a rope. He says, "My faith in God is complete, help the others." Then he drowns. In heaven he says, "God, I believed in you with all my heart. Why did you let me drown?" God says, "How could you drown? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"
@@panagea2007 I'm quite familiar with that story/joke but it never made sense to me. Christians are known for declaring anything and everything that helped them to be proof that god answers prayers. It's weird to have a character that's supposed to be a true believer act completely against type just to fit the punchline. The joke has the structure and feel of a typical dig at atheists but lacks the non-believer who gets schooled at the end. I find it weird how often it comes up, considering that it features a nonsensical character that had to be manufactured specifically to make the joke work. Because I can't stress enough how stereotypical Christian it would be to have that man pray for god's help and then declare the first boat to be _literally_ godsend.
@@DowncastParadox I believe that God created the universe, but I don't believe that he answers prayers. He watches us, but doesn't watch OVER us. He wants to see what we become on our own. If he interferes we won't evolve naturally. God has never spoken to anyone on earth. The bible was written by men who find the Grift of God to be quite lucrative. He created all the physical laws and expects us decipher them and learn how to use them.
I've been around enough years that I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you try hard enough to screw up God will just go ahead and let you do it. This idiot wasn't asking God for help he was acting like God was just part of the checklist. Like God had an on-off switch in as long as it was on nothing bad was going to happen.
Majority Pakistani Muslims don't understand religion their the hadith outlines the story of a Bedouin man who was leaving his camel without tying it. The Prophet (PBUH) asked him “Why don't you tie down your camel?” The Bedouin answered, “I put my trust in Allah.” The Prophet then replied, “Tie your camel first, and then put your trust in Allah.”
The most complex issues frequently have the most simplest of situation. But being able to come up with and act on those conjectures so expediently is a whole different ball game:
Another concise, well-presented and well-researched video - thanks. I would avoid flying with any airline which didn't have thorough pilot training and aircraft maintenance. British Airways (BA), Quantas and KLM seem to be fairly good, but TBH I would never trust any others.
The plane flew over our house that brutal day, had the crash occurred some five seconds earlier, it would have crashed into our house. The weather was extremely bad. Our house is in Anchorage Islamabad and the plane crashed at Sher Dhamyal, just outside Anchorage. All planes flew over our house when Islamabad had the old Benazir Bhutto Airport and they approached for landing. The new Islamabad airport is miles outside the densely populated city.
Am I the only one who was thinking of adding power in that situation before the narrator explained it? Anyway, I worked as an intern at a PIA facility back in the day. One of the head engineers told me a story about a senior PIA pilot and it's shenanigans. A flight was bound from Pakistan to EU. There was a senior captain and a young FO piloting the plain. As they were approaching their destination in EU, they were receiving warnings that there is a huge storm ahead and were asked to divert. Other aircrafts in the vicinity obliged, but the captain said to the FO, "Would you like to see a real storm today?", the FO said nervously.... 'oooook' That captain took the plain through that storm and ended up battering the plane to oblivion, they landed safely though. But what happened was the plane ended up being benched at that EU airport for repairs as it was deemed unflyable and PIA ended up paying loads of PUBLIC money because of that egotistical pilot. Back home, he didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
I love how you flew the plane and landed at the end. This computer program is sooooo amazing.it looks real. Well done on all of your videos you work really hard 👏 love the chanel
There's only one rule that I have when trusting an airline, and that's to never fly with any airline from a third world country. I feel safest on Delta Air Lines, Qantas, and British Airways. Japan Airlines is also very safe.
I was on the main highway just below the approach path of old Islamabad Airport minutes before this crash. It was raining so heavily, it was hard for me to drive my car. Wipers had no effect on the windscreen. I passed through that patch in 5 minutes or so and then it was clear. I eventually entered my housing society a few minutes later which is at an elevated land. It was super cloudy and dark. But then I felt as if sun broke through the clouds in the sky on my right. I found it stra ge because it was evening and my car was moving towards west so the sun should have been straight ahead. That's when I looked right and saw a huge fireball rising up from the ground at a far away distance. It was this ill fated plane. I couldn't believe my eyes. I drove straight back home and switched on the TV. Nothing related to the incident was on it. At least not yet. So I went to my house's rooftop with my zoom camera. I couldn't make out anything. But surely after 30 minutes or so, news channels stared reporting rhe incident. It was a sad evening!
how do we know that the reason the captain was adamant on landing this plane was merely because it was its inaugural flight? did captain state this anywhere? or did someone just speculate so and everyone regurgitating it now? just a thought
10:19 I didn't understand. So they trained for semi automatic but got full automatic? How is that related to learned to drive automatic cat and got a stick? Isn't it the other way around?
The flight was doomed before it even took off. Even if they diverted to Lahore, there was not guaranteed a positive outcome. RIP the victims .Quality video as always
Sounds like the Captain should not have been in charge of so many peoples lives. Terrible CRM and bad choice to fly through a thunderstorm. Should have diverted, obviously.
As a non-pilot I've often wondered why it's sometimes no problem flying through thunderstorms, while other times it's a big no. Is the deciding factor have anything to do with the type of plane? Or is the biggest issue whether you are at cruising altitude, or taking off and landing?
"why it's sometimes no problem flying through thunderstorms" It's never OK to fly through thunderstorms. In the US, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to do so. Thunderstorms are incredibly dangerous. I'm not a pilot but I've had ground instruction and I've passed the FAA written exam. Part of ground instruction was taking an aviation weather class.
Theres a limit to what a plane can take, and that limit is different for every plane. And most of the time when planes go through a storm is during landing or take off. I had an early morning flight once, and it was pouring. The flight wasnt cancelled coz i gues it was still acceptable weather. But that didnt ease the pilot at all. The dudes had zero chill. After taking off, the pilots climbed HARD. They wanted to be above that storm ASAP.
@@arsyadidris6349 You don't get above such a storm any time soon, unless you're in a high performance fighter. The pilot probably wanted distance to the ground in case stuff went sideways. The next step would be, start a turn to get out of the storm.
The last thing I'd want to hear from a pilot is 'god will help us'. I want to know that the pilot(s) have the skill to deal with the situation, not just leave it to chance.
0:37 "The plane was in tip-top shape." LOL. No 737-200 was in tip-top shape by 2012. Still, it was a perfectly functional aircraft that never should have crashed.
Get-on-the-ground fever combined with complete incompetence at every level, and the standard bad flying culture "don't take control from the captain" mentality. I'm not convinced they could've landed the plane even without the weather.
Wow, well I guess when your relying on the big invisible guy in the sky to get you on the ground safely...this could happen. Who could've imagined that outcome🤷♂️
if believe this plane crashed in 2011-2012 and it was night time. my sister went to crash site. the eye witness were telling there was a woman with just the upper body, her lower body got cut in the crash and she kept asking for water during her last breadth. and tthere was a woman who qwaas badly written injured and she kept saying that please take care of my baby , although heer baaby haaas already died and the whole place was smelkij badly if burnt flesh,rubber and metal. the strange this in this whole ordeal was the weather cleared as soon as the plane crashed. like the storm was there just for this crash to happen.
@@Capecodham Burt, more properly, the acronym is "TO/GA" or "Takeoff/Go Around." TOGA is that high level of engine thrust used for takeoff from the runway or when a landing is aborted (in the case of this accident) and immediate climb is necessary. Hope this helps.
@@4325air What these type threads are full of are a closed club of elites who try to show how hip and cool they are by using aircraft terms that easily could be spelled out so the casual viewer could understand them.
Its amazing how often there are accidents when something is unusual.... Look at the Titanic or the Costa Concordia for two shipping examples of smilier kind of things. I would bet that likely there where company people onboard or at least they where in contact with such and there was pressure on them to get the play through... three days later chances are no one would have cared but for the first flight that's not going to be the case.
They have a saying here "God watches over a person who watches over themself."
I am not a religious person myself, but I believe it to be a more reasonable attitude than just letting the crisis situation unfold.
Do you mean the "god will help us" part? that certainly would make it less damning :D
I think Darwin was helping them.
Im from India and do believe in this exact thought
Right! Not religious either, but There's an old folk-story about a rabbi stuck in a rising flood. The neighbors yelled at him to evacuate but he refused to move because "God will help me."
The flood went up to his waist. Rescue boats were launched and they begged him to get in. "NO" he said. "God will help me."
The water got up to his neck. A rescue helicopter flew over, threw him a rope and begged him to grab the line. He said "No, God will help me."
Within hours, he was gasping for breath, fighting for his life. He drowned.
Next thing he knows, he's dead and staring at God. The rabbi is totally dismayed. "God, I believed in you 100%. Why did you abandon me?? Why didn't you help me?"
God replied: " Help you?!? You SCHMUCK! I sent you the NEIGHBOURS, A RESCUE BOAT AND A HELICOPTER YOU DUMBASS!!"
@@bluecoffee8414 I was going to post this exact joke if somebody else hadn’t already!
The Captain Afridi , I worked with him. He left aviation and became religion teacher. But he changed his mind and became Pilot again. This was his biggest mistake.
Bastard is burning in hell now
🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
This sickens me. Everything he said and did in the cockpit sickens me. Astaghfirullah, gambling with people's lives like this.
@@marqfordeauto
Why would you expect anything else from a Muslim?
You don't understand Islam. Theirs is a 100% brainwashed culture. A child can not become a Muslim without comprehensive brainwashing.
The result is not only a dim witted population (Muslims have the lowest average IQ of all major religions), but one where the people pay more attention to what their life will be like after they die.
This makes them both dim witted and borderline suicidal.
Not the personality characteristics an air crew should have. And this is why.air travel to Islamic states should be avoided.
Well I would hope it was his biggest mistake can’t imagine a bigger mistake than killing your passengers
Okay Captain, which do you think will give your airline worse press? Crashing the inaugural flight and killing everyone on board, or diverting the inaugural flight because of bad weather?
Yes
Diverting is the best option
God will help us avoid the bad press.
If you're a former airforce pilot with a big ego,
admitting that you can't deliver is the worst thing I imagine.
Screw the company, screw those passengers and screw the FO.
It's all about me me me.
Say, anyone ever heard of the B-52 pilot who crashed his plane killing the entire crew just because he fantasized being a top gun fighter pilot?
Or,
the C-17 pilot who crashed his plane killing the entire crew just because he fantasized being a top gun fighter pilot?
And of course we never hear about actual fighter pilots who crash their plane killing just themselves because those incidents can be expected from time to time.
Actually both.
“THIS…” whenever I hear that single word introduction I KNOW it’s gonna be another one of your great videos, usually of incidents that seldom make the news!
Thanks SO much!
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I don't understand this. One of the very basic things a student pilot learns is, level the wings, FULL power, raise the nose level when safe, as the airspeed comes up, start a climb,. positive rate, gear up, the flaps up as the aircraft gains altitude. It's basic airmanship. So I guess the PR was better landing at destination even though they were all killed, then diverting which would be bad PR. "Hey, we made it to Islamabad, we just didn't make it alive"
Even I learned that in X Plane.
Maybe due to inaugural flight, there might be pressures to land and not divert
@@SumitBisht0 Diverting on an inaugural flight is better than crashing on one
They should have prayed harder.
@@BGI_guy Of course, but I'm sure they weren't _intending_ to crash. They were taking chances, of course, but they undoubtedly thought they could make it.
A total disregard for the lives of the passengers was the real cause because if things were different the pilot will never try to fly an airplane he was not trained for.
It’s amazing because usually the aviation industry is hyper sensitive about safety issues.
I mean once on one of my first days as part of the ground crew teams I’m riding the van that’s taking us across the airfield to the next 737 max 8 that had recently landed to clean it and I spot a half full bottle of water seemingly discarded in the middle of the taxi way leading to the bottom of the runway where the planes get into position to power up along the runway and takeoff. I’m surprised so I say what I see out loud.
This made my supervisor stop the van hard and demand where I’m seeing it. He follows to where I’m pointing and then gets on the handheld radio to report it. He thanked me, but it wasn’t until later I learned that the planes were grounded and incoming planes were put in a circling holding pattern for about half an hour while the offending bottle was removed and the rest of the taxi ways, apron, aircraft stands and the runway itself were carefully examined for and more FOD then re-opened.
All that happened because a cleaner on her first week on the job had spotted something wrong and been taken seriously. That’s what the aviation industry is normally like. Safety is priority and so even the most lesser of employees are trained to look, and report even when they just feel that something isn’t right.
I’m just amazed things like this story keep on happening.
@@mikoto7693 Well, this was Pakistan. I don't know where your incident occured, but I'm guessing it was in a western country.
"A total disregard for the lives."
Well a small car can kill many people if it was driven by a drunk driver.
An engineer can make calculation mistakes then the bridge falls down killing many people.
Untrained parents keep producing more babies who turned into street beggars.
And there is no training manual for being a politician which made Sri Lanka go bankrupt.
Still pilots fly airplanes they are not trained for because of human over population.
Take care...
You should not need any specific 737 training to know that you need to add power in this situation. It really boggles my mind that such a people would be allowed to drive a taxi let alone captain a 737.
My thoughts exactly!
My thoughts too. The stall recovery process in a Cessna 150 applied to this 37 would have likely resulted in a better outcome.
@@scumpoozie Me too. I had a minibike when I was a kid and this method saved me on more than one occasion. I knew another kid though who wasn't so lucky. He went into a stall and skinned one of his knees pretty badly. Unfortunately for him, he had short legs and couldn't stop the bike from falling over when he got down to about 3 kph.
As someone who studies aviation safety, halfway through the video listening to the scenario sounds like a textbook microburst. (quite literally, nose up, loss of altitude, loss of airspeed is the exact sequence brought up in more than one of my aviation textbooks) it's incredibly important for pilots to understand that you should not mess around with torrential rain. it can and will push airliners into the ground like they're paper airplanes.
"god will help us" yeah, the absolute last type of pilot I would want at the controls if I'm in the aircraft 🤦♂️
Inshaallah, everything is done by Allah. Even if you have all the controls in your hands.
@@lollmaowow2968 so Allah wanted to kill 127 innocent people?
@@lollmaowow2968 just think that one through for a moment and careful you won't get caught up in a spiral of trying to explain away all the questions that are inevitably going to come up
I've got one for you aswell
If God wants everyone to believe in him and follow his rules, since it's the right thing to do
Why didn't he choose a better way of telling us about his glory than an old book that's missing some chapters
Like he made everything right?
He controls everything right?
Why does he force people to go to hell and suffer forever?
Why does he not give all of us the knowledge about his glory in a way that'd be accessible to everyone and can't be misunderstood?
@@littleloner1159
Pilots have no control. Only God does. That is the very mentality of many people in Pakistan.
Inshallah🇵🇰
@@lollmaowow2968 So tell me, if a pilot gets in an aircraft, and sits there doing jack shit, will the aircraft start itself up, taxi to the runway and fly itself to the destination? If god controls everything then why do we need pilots in the first place? Or even truck drivers, train drivers, even you driving your own car, its all pointless right?
My best flight experience ever was in a BAE-146 flying through a squall line on the approach to landing. The pint-sized 4 engine aircraft was absolutely in its element with every control system working its heart out to take every blow weather could provide and constantly correct roll pitch and attitude forces till achieving a perfect landing
That plane feels the safest to fly in, even compared to large jets.
I once flew on it into Bruxelles Airport. It was a bumpy ride until landing. But it made it.
The little plane that could! Great story 👍
If either of the pilots says go-around, its a go around period. First officer called it multiple times.
As a guy who regularly used to fly through Pakistani airspace and knows a few people around their aviation industry, i can tell you that they probably have few of the best ATC's around on planet earth, who are humble, kind and respectful...But my god their aviation system is a joke and a half, and their airline procedures are farcical at best. This is coming from an Indian so take it with a pinch of salt if you want.
Pakistan is an artificial creation by globalists after they got kicked out of India.
@xargs00 I’m sure Indians bless all the planes. Puhjah or something. I got “pujahed” in my office there. They pujah the equipment then the building.
Their airforce shot down two Indian fighter jets in 2019 and captured a pilot. So at least their airforce is pretty strong. Commercial aviation will probably take a few years.
@@scwappycoco those two aircrafts should not be in air at all.... Indian government especially congress made this situation to use old outdated aircrafts, and those aircraft were malfunctioned (and they do have this history of getting malfunctioned in flight such that pilot have to eject), thus forcing pilot to eject and get caught....
@@scwappycoco last year two more pakistani pilots doomed flight with unstable (high above glideslope) approach and without landing gear, and after scratching both engines in runway (making hydraulic and oil lines puncture) they did go around to get crashed near airport
The gross incompetence of some of these pilots is astonishing
The extreme differences in the skill levels in some of these commercial pilots is what gets me. For every Sully, Haynes, Dardano, etc., you have pilots like this captain and his crew and the two idiots on Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701.
What I don’t understand is why there are so many “fake” pilots in that area of the world. Yeah, you can get by on inadequate training but you can also DIE! So they know they aren’t trained, or know they have a fake license but how can they not know they are risking their life?
@Benji P they put too much trust blindly on God
God wasn't flying the plane!!
I remember this crash. I heard people from the nearby village immediately rushed and picked whatever belongings they could get including cash and gold. Rescue team hadn’t even arrived.
We're merciless 😢
This is past something basic students learn. This is something anyone who even plays video games or has watched anything with an airplane knows. You always go full speed and lower the nose if you stall.
And when you hear "WINDSHEAR! WINDSHEAR!", you go full power and do a go around.
The same goes when you hear a terrain warning.
They didn't stall, and I didn't hear anything about a stall warning.
@@ntdscherer 7:03
I’m a nurse and even I know that.
Bhoja Air seemed to have created the perfect conditions for this accident.
hit the nail on the head
Unbelievable, they only needed more power and they couldn't even figure it out!
Exactly my thoughts! When you're about to stall like that, slam the throttles forward and keep the nose down!
@@randybobandy9208 Im not sure, on underwing mounted engines TOGA throttle with cause a violent pitch up of the nose which is of course not what you want in a stall. At least for the A320 which I am a FO, you SLOWLY increase power, allowing either a pilot to trim nose down or the auto-trim to hold the nose where it is making sure to not make the stall worse. I can imagine the procedure is similar for the 737
@@huskkyy can I ask what role autothrottle might take in this!
I'd imagine requesting a high power setting would disengage it?
@@Rapscallion2009 I’m not a pilot, but from what little I understand if the autopilot is on, and the human pilot makes a strong enough movement manually with his flight controls be it yoke or side stick then I think that will disconnect the autopilot. But nowadays the aircraft will bleep at the pilots whenever the autopilot disconnects. I’m not sure about the auto throttle though.
One of the tragic things about that flight is that Airbus has included a system that can allow one pilot to take control from the other one in emergencies. I think pilots are trained that if one sees the other doing something potentially dangerous then he can say “my aircraft” and the other one is supposed to let go of the controls. Which it sounds like the FO should have done here. But if the captain doesn’t let go, then the FO can press a button on his side stick and hold it down. While he’s doing that the aircraft will ignore all inputs from the captain side and verbally announce it he first officer side has priority control.
At that point if the captain wants control over the plane back, he has to force the FO to let go of the button by attacking him physically. Sadly, when a captain makes mistakes and the first officer doesn’t save the aircraft because he’s too scared to challenge the captain has crashed more than one airliner jet.
@@Rapscallion2009 At lease on Airbus planes, if you set the lever to toga, you’ll get full thrust no matter if auto throttle is engaged. I believe there is a TOGA button on the 737 throttle instead of a detent which commands full thrust immediately. I doubt they had auto throttle engaged in this case because it would increase power to maintain speed ignoring the AOA
Technically Bhoja Air did have a system to track the performance of a pilot, it's just that the system only reported when there was a serious accident costing the lives of many onboard and the loss of a hull. At which point such reports become irrelevant.
"He's not a good pilot."
"No?"
"No. He crashed a plane."
"Guess we shouldn't continue to use his piloting services then."
"No, no I don't think we should. We couldn't anyway, but we shouldn't too."
you always go around as soon as you get a wind shear warning. by the time you react to the windshear alert it could be too late! let alone the gpws.
my instructor flies 737's for Alaska, and used to fly 747's for kalitta
But human psyche plays the big factor here. Isn't it.
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Tenerife, other examples from the U.S. whose names slip my mind for now... have happened aa the PIC was hell vent on either covering up on lost time... or wanting to not divert but land at the scheduled airport... so as to not mis out on suitable rostering for the near future flights.
Or simply being too exhausted to have to come back from the alternate airport or under moral or actual pressure from the company and/or the management to not increase incidental costs for the company.
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Diversions often lead to delays of subsequent flights or ancillary costs of rebooting the connecting flights of the PAX or adjusting them with flights on some other partner airline.
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I am not defending this crew.
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But just that Homo sapiens or any other thinking being are always put into subjective situations... or rather.. having to make subjective choices, take decisions which are fluid.. based on situations.
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Pardon my lack of good communication skills and poor language.
@sailaab GetThereItis takes a back seat to a lack of basic flight training and a cavalier attitude towards the power of mother nature in a tempest.
@@sailaab that's why pilots are highly trained professionals. All of those things come 2nd to the safety of the flight.
You see thunderstorms you divert. You get a windshear warning you go around.
@@sailaab Also Birgenair flight 301 where the crew refused to abort takeoff despite severe pitot tube problems because they were just itching to get home.
@@sailaab your language skills are fine!
Boja twice stopped flying and currently does not operate. The owner, Mr. Boja suffered a grave tragedy when his only child & son was kidnapped and a demand was made of Rs50,000,000 which he paid only to find that his son was returned in dead cut into 5 pieces.. could this have affected the airline or was it one of the dead passengers’ loved one taking revenge.. Does anyone know any more about this?
😮 terrible!
"The pilots still had no idea how to save the plane"
Disable autopilot, disable autothrottle, jam the thrust levers all the way forward, and slowly start pitching up. How is this not embedded in every pilot's brain as soon as shit like this goes down and you have a fully operational aircraft that isn't giving any trouble?
@Jaquan Kelsor bruh a fucking 12-year-old could save the plane why can't a trained professional who is in their 40s or 50s prob with 10k hrs and military experience not fuck up this much m8?
I think the FO knew as he kept saying "go around"! It's just the captain wouldn't listen.
@Jaquan Kelsor I’m sick and tired of arm chair commenters
@Jaquan Kelsor Cool Jaquan. Any insightful comments to share or do you just want to share something coming forth out of your upset mood?
@Jaquan Kelsor Some of us actually HAVE flown for airlines and HAVE experienced downbursts and survived!!
What a beautiful simulation you created, the clouds are awesome.
Right? I was watching this in awe, very beautiful
Yeah since they all (mentour pilot as well for example) use flight simulator 2020, it looks so much more like what you might see on mayday or so instead of some bloke's cheap UA-cam video. Adds to the immersion a lot!
Imagine how scared the passengers must have been while flying through the storm
JC Adams: nah, they were all just sitting back there saying "inshallah" and calmly accepting their fate.
Thank you! I like watching airplane disaster videos because I don't have to fly ever again. I've watched the hour long videos but I like yours. They are 10 to 15 minutes long and I get just as much information. Great job friend! I've been subbed to you for a year or so. You are the only channel like this I care to sub to...
God should not be the part of any avionics
IFR, VFR, and GFR
Nice explanation of the crash... And thanks for the answer to the situation... I like to hear the mistake and resolution...
A lot of captains with problems in the Pakistani skies, it seems ... well, formerly, anyway...
Darwin Airlines.
terrain avoidance... even a private pilot knows about that, it's like the ABC, just like applying full power when you're dangerously close to the ground. It's so obvious that.. the only explanation is.. I don't know, really. That's why I try to stick to a few safe airlines when I travel which fortunately is not that often.
It's amazing that the Shaheen Air incident with the drunk captain happened two days after this one!!!!
That's Pakistan for you
Redirecting a flight could have been used to get good press showing they care for safety no matter what
That's true...and the Titanic could have slowed her speed going through an ice field. But that would have put her behind schedule into port. One man gambles...many people lose. Not the first and unfortunately not the last.
"No God will help us". Well, he got that right, though I think the captain meant "No, God will help us". A comma makes a big difference in meaning. Just sayin'.
U are covering all the Pakistani crashes now. I appreciate it
he is covering because he want people to realize that don't take your chances for those pilots who's academic qualifications are suspicious. This covering is bringing more and more realization in the minds of people to think twice before they take any flight inside of Pakistan.
Great video MACI.
We're looking forward to the Crater Lake 2; perhaps OMA to BOB.
Don't fly a Pakistani airline would also be a good lesson. The pilot also violated all norms of professionalism including the sterile cockpit requirement.
Exactly!!! I did fly PIA once from Islamabad to Dubai as i missed the Emirates flight… thankfully i made it alive but it was a very uncomfortable experience given the abysmal safety record in Pakistan
And this particular video, with the inside-cabin passenger point-of-view, gives a chilling feel of the terror that wild ride caused to the victims.
Awesome video as usual.. As your CRM is very important on every flights.. Despite the First officer's advice it's the captain wo crashed this plane
Also, 1.) Aviate 2.) Navigate 3.) Communicate. Not even autopilot was aviating; there wasn't anyone or anything even flying the plane. My prayers are with the souls of those who died and their loved ones. 🙏🏻 I also know it's their job, but my heart always also goes out to the investigators (and ATCs, 1st responders, etc.). This can never be easy, and I can't help but think that listening to the CVR would be one of the more difficult aspects of any investigation - literally listening to the last moments of people's lives. 💔 I hope everyone here stays safe and has a great day.
Oh boy, this flight had so many things wrong with it that I don’t know where to start!
I like the one where the Pakistani pilot smashes both engines after failing to put the landing gear down then attempts a go around.
PIA 8303? The investigation isn’t finished but it’s clear it was massive pilot error/incompetence.
The pilots weren't even intelligent enough to know their training was woefully inadequate. The fact they were air force veterans is doubly damning because their air force didn't even impart basic airmanship skills. Now, consider this: Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
Nukes and their currency is collapsing... again.
Stall recovery. They should teach that in flight training /s
The key words here is
“ God/Allah will help us “
😉😉
Main reason for this crash is they weren't sufficiently trained on dealing with such weather conditions, which spooked and confused them. Also, they each have only 82 hrs experience on this newer model 737 which didn't help
Ah yes "Inshallah". The ultimate answer for everything.
Part of the problem is the culture. Some cultures believe that they have very little control over their lives because their lives are completely dependent on the whims of God. So instead of actively taking control of their life they leave their fate in the hands of God.
Absolutely true
The saying goes that God will provide. In other words he gave you the tools and brains to fix the situation. How could anyone live like this, basically blaming God for everything.
A man gets caught in a flood and prays to God for help.
A boat comes by and asks if he needs help. He says, "No, God will help me."
Another boat comes by and he says, "I have prayed to God for help, so I will be okay."
A helicopter flies past and offers a rope. He says, "My faith in God is complete, help the others."
Then he drowns. In heaven he says, "God, I believed in you with all my heart. Why did you let me drown?"
God says, "How could you drown? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"
@@panagea2007 I'm quite familiar with that story/joke but it never made sense to me. Christians are known for declaring anything and everything that helped them to be proof that god answers prayers. It's weird to have a character that's supposed to be a true believer act completely against type just to fit the punchline. The joke has the structure and feel of a typical dig at atheists but lacks the non-believer who gets schooled at the end. I find it weird how often it comes up, considering that it features a nonsensical character that had to be manufactured specifically to make the joke work. Because I can't stress enough how stereotypical Christian it would be to have that man pray for god's help and then declare the first boat to be _literally_ godsend.
@@DowncastParadox I believe that God created the universe, but I don't believe that he answers prayers. He watches us, but doesn't watch OVER us. He wants to see what we become on our own. If he interferes we won't evolve naturally. God has never spoken to anyone on earth. The bible was written by men who find the Grift of God to be quite lucrative. He created all the physical laws and expects us decipher them and learn how to use them.
It seems god had other things to do instead of helping out this crew.
Also true for all the people expecting a miracle when God has already given them the solution to their problem .... smh
If God actually existed and cared he would've reached his big ass hand down from space and put the plane down on the ground like a toy.
He was covering a few shifts for the Tooth Fairy that week!
@@Phiyedough He sent Darwin to look after this one.
@@ryanvandoren1519 lmfao
Flying is physics and good decision making. Any talk of invisible man in the sky should not happen in an aircraft.
God must have taken a day off. What bad timing!
That's my faults 😔 I took him out for a night at a strip club. Sorry.
Darwin was covering for him.
I've been around enough years that I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you try hard enough to screw up God will just go ahead and let you do it. This idiot wasn't asking God for help he was acting like God was just part of the checklist. Like God had an on-off switch in as long as it was on nothing bad was going to happen.
Majority Pakistani Muslims don't understand religion their the hadith outlines the story of a Bedouin man who was leaving his camel without tying it. The Prophet (PBUH) asked him “Why don't you tie down your camel?” The Bedouin answered, “I put my trust in Allah.” The Prophet then replied, “Tie your camel first, and then put your trust in Allah.”
Thanks for the .. err ... scary story 😱
As always, really well researched and described. 👍
Lol if I hear the PF say "God willing we will see _____" during the approach briefing, I'm locking them in the lav and flying us to the alternate...
The most complex issues frequently have the most simplest of situation. But being able to come up with and act on those conjectures so expediently is a whole different ball game:
Another concise, well-presented and well-researched video - thanks. I would avoid flying with any airline which didn't have thorough pilot training and aircraft maintenance. British Airways (BA), Quantas and KLM seem to be fairly good, but TBH I would never trust any others.
WOW UNBELIEVABLE.........Thanks this video was Almost Unbelievable
The plane flew over our house that brutal day, had the crash occurred some five seconds earlier, it would have crashed into our house. The weather was extremely bad.
Our house is in Anchorage Islamabad and the plane crashed at Sher Dhamyal, just outside Anchorage. All planes flew over our house when Islamabad had the old Benazir Bhutto Airport and they approached for landing. The new Islamabad airport is miles outside the densely populated city.
Another Informative and Detailed Flight Documentary. Well Done!
Am I the only one who was thinking of adding power in that situation before the narrator explained it? Anyway, I worked as an intern at a PIA facility back in the day. One of the head engineers told me a story about a senior PIA pilot and it's shenanigans.
A flight was bound from Pakistan to EU. There was a senior captain and a young FO piloting the plain. As they were approaching their destination in EU, they were receiving warnings that there is a huge storm ahead and were asked to divert. Other aircrafts in the vicinity obliged, but the captain said to the FO, "Would you like to see a real storm today?", the FO said nervously.... 'oooook'
That captain took the plain through that storm and ended up battering the plane to oblivion, they landed safely though.
But what happened was the plane ended up being benched at that EU airport for repairs as it was deemed unflyable and PIA ended up paying loads of PUBLIC money because of that egotistical pilot.
Back home, he didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
I love how you flew the plane and landed at the end. This computer program is sooooo amazing.it looks real. Well done on all of your videos you work really hard 👏 love the chanel
I remember when this happened my father was a investigator on this flight
🤣😂🤣😂
My great grandfather built the plane by hand.. what a cool connection
Thank you for an awesome video!!
What’s worse press, having to divert due to weather or killing everyone on board trying to land in extreme weather? 🤔
There's only one rule that I have when trusting an airline, and that's to never fly with any airline from a third world country. I feel safest on Delta Air Lines, Qantas, and British Airways. Japan Airlines is also very safe.
Not always. Go and check the near collusion of a 747 and a 737 Chicago in 2006. Accidents can happen everywhere, even in your first world countries.
@@drossouw2218 True.
The Captain got them on the ground in Islamabad.
I was on the main highway just below the approach path of old Islamabad Airport minutes before this crash. It was raining so heavily, it was hard for me to drive my car. Wipers had no effect on the windscreen. I passed through that patch in 5 minutes or so and then it was clear.
I eventually entered my housing society a few minutes later which is at an elevated land. It was super cloudy and dark. But then I felt as if sun broke through the clouds in the sky on my right. I found it stra ge because it was evening and my car was moving towards west so the sun should have been straight ahead.
That's when I looked right and saw a huge fireball rising up from the ground at a far away distance. It was this ill fated plane.
I couldn't believe my eyes. I drove straight back home and switched on the TV. Nothing related to the incident was on it. At least not yet. So I went to my house's rooftop with my zoom camera. I couldn't make out anything. But surely after 30 minutes or so, news channels stared reporting rhe incident.
It was a sad evening!
Perfect...all I constantly heard was
.."No idea ..no idea.." damn!!!
how do we know that the reason the captain was adamant on landing this plane was merely because it was its inaugural flight? did captain state this anywhere? or did someone just speculate so and everyone regurgitating it now? just a thought
If a pilot ever told me that "God" would take care of things I'd be looking for a parachute.
10:19 I didn't understand. So they trained for semi automatic but got full automatic? How is that related to learned to drive automatic cat and got a stick? Isn't it the other way around?
Landing is a relative term. You can land in a field, a tree line, a neighborhood, or preferably...the destination airport.
What happened to his god?
clouds, wing bending, roll, and flaps looks all realistic af noice simulation 8:16
The flight was doomed before it even took off. Even if they diverted to Lahore, there was not guaranteed a positive outcome. RIP the victims .Quality video as always
"SCOTTY I NEED MORE POWER!!" "I jus caahn't dew it cap'n, I DEON'T HAAV THE POWHAAH!!" 😂✌️
People dont realize how complacent religion can make them
negligence at it's finest
Our flag career pia got better in past they have lots of problems but for now there leading career in our country they improve their pilots training
are they still banned from European airspace for being cockwombles? or not?
Hahaha nice joke 😂🤣
There is a LOT of room for improvement. Two years ago Pakistan had to suspend 262 pilots suspected of cheating on exams.
How does a captain NOT receive "terrain avoidance" training..?? That doesn't sound right.
"This......." - okay that's it. The plane is going to crash, they are screwed!
Seriously though, great video as always!
The ol' get-there-itis is an incredibly alluring killer.
Sounds like the Captain should not have been in charge of so many peoples lives. Terrible CRM and bad choice to fly through a thunderstorm. Should have diverted, obviously.
Maybe the Captain had the First officer sit on his lap many times before an play bad touch good touch and tell him about the 21 Virgins.
This was one where I couldn't help yelling "punch it! Throttle to the wall!", but easy to say when you're not there. Bad training.....
Thanks for these great lessons.
Another outstanding video
This was a very tragic incident. I remember aunt of my office colleague lost her life in this.
As a non-pilot I've often wondered why it's sometimes no problem flying through thunderstorms, while other times it's a big no. Is the deciding factor have anything to do with the type of plane? Or is the biggest issue whether you are at cruising altitude, or taking off and landing?
"why it's sometimes no problem flying through thunderstorms"
It's never OK to fly through thunderstorms. In the US, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to do so. Thunderstorms are incredibly dangerous.
I'm not a pilot but I've had ground instruction and I've passed the FAA written exam. Part of ground instruction was taking an aviation weather class.
Theres a limit to what a plane can take, and that limit is different for every plane. And most of the time when planes go through a storm is during landing or take off.
I had an early morning flight once, and it was pouring. The flight wasnt cancelled coz i gues it was still acceptable weather. But that didnt ease the pilot at all. The dudes had zero chill. After taking off, the pilots climbed HARD. They wanted to be above that storm ASAP.
@@arsyadidris6349 You don't get above such a storm any time soon, unless you're in a high performance fighter.
The pilot probably wanted distance to the ground in case stuff went sideways. The next step would be, start a turn to get out of the storm.
This sounds like Pakistan alright
The last thing I'd want to hear from a pilot is 'god will help us'. I want to know that the pilot(s) have the skill to deal with the situation, not just leave it to chance.
0:37 "The plane was in tip-top shape." LOL. No 737-200 was in tip-top shape by 2012. Still, it was a perfectly functional aircraft that never should have crashed.
The condition of the aircraft had 0 to do with this accident.
Get-on-the-ground fever combined with complete incompetence at every level, and the standard bad flying culture "don't take control from the captain" mentality. I'm not convinced they could've landed the plane even without the weather.
do the
pk8303, the karachi engine scrape then try go around with no engines
2:01 i would absolutely hate hearing the pilot of my flight counting on god to do his damn job
Another great video.
Was this 737-200 delivered from British airways to bhoja airlines ?
This vid has been up for two weeks and I didn't get a notification. UA-cam is FIRED!
So... did that airline ever have a second flight?
Wow, well I guess when your relying on the big invisible guy in the sky to get you on the ground safely...this could happen. Who could've imagined that outcome🤷♂️
have to covered the flight in which "Juniad Jamshed" died?
2:02 When the pilot says "No God Will Help Us" you are in deep trouble.
if believe this plane crashed in 2011-2012 and it was night time.
my sister went to crash site. the eye witness were telling there was a woman with just the upper body, her lower body got cut in the crash and she kept asking for water during her last breadth. and tthere was a woman who qwaas badly written injured and she kept saying that please take care of my baby , although heer baaby haaas already died and the whole place was smelkij badly if burnt flesh,rubber and metal. the strange this in this whole ordeal was the weather cleared as soon as the plane crashed. like the storm was there just for this crash to happen.
Even i know what to do in wind shear alarm: TOGA, Pitch 15, tell the tower, stay alive.
TOGA?
@@Capecodham never heard of Toga before?
@@lazygit5415 toga, characteristic loose, draped outer garment of Roman citizens
@@Capecodham Burt, more properly, the acronym is "TO/GA" or "Takeoff/Go Around." TOGA is that high level of engine thrust used for takeoff from the runway or when a landing is aborted (in the case of this accident) and immediate climb is necessary. Hope this helps.
@@4325air
What these type threads are full of are a closed club of elites who try to show how hip and cool they are by using aircraft terms
that easily could be spelled out so the casual viewer could understand them.
Its amazing how often there are accidents when something is unusual.... Look at the Titanic or the Costa Concordia for two shipping examples of smilier kind of things. I would bet that likely there where company people onboard or at least they where in contact with such and there was pressure on them to get the play through... three days later chances are no one would have cared but for the first flight that's not going to be the case.
Honestly your video recommendations at the end are smoother than a 3 point a landing. 😎