Nike Zoom Fly 3 - After 100 Miles
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- The Zoom Fly 3 was a shoe that I initially thought was exciting and powerful. A bit heavy but worth it. And over the last 100 miles, all that has still applied. But there was a catch. For me, I had a hot spot (not unusual in a React foam shoe), and it turned into a pain point (something that is a bit unusual). It almost made this shoe unrunnable for me. I had to resort to an aftermarket insert, which did end up saving this shoe and making it exciting again. But a $160 shoe shouldn't need an $80 insole to make it work.
Fortunately, I haven't yet heard anyone else having the same problem I did, so I hope that this is an issue limited to me. But if you're having similar problems, I'd love to hear it.
disclosures: While I have been working with Nike to train for the Chicago Marathon, I purchased this pair of shoes with my own money. No one is paying me to make this video or to wear this shoe. No one has previewed my thoughts or footage before it was published to youtube.
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the dirty "colourway" actually looks kinda good like a "sail"version. if they made that colour i recon it would sell.
i'll buy anything sail. or volt. if they made a sail/volt version, i'd be in nike heaven
Discolouration is definitely from running through water.
Perhaps
Crazy enough anyways.
Perhaps? No. Definitely
@@ryanf2709 correct, the water evaporates and leaves behind the micro dirt particles essentially in the weave, or the salt water is speeding up the oxidization of the materiel, hence the discoloring, and or uv light also, prob all three :(
Not from what I’ve seen on both of my pairs. Neither of them have touched water but they both have turned brown. Pretty sure it’s from sweat
Thank so much for your honest comments, where you mention the negative points you found on these shoes and not only the positive ones. I was a bit worried that because you like Nike so much (I like it too), your reviews would be too biased, but seeing that you also express your 'negative' findings on a shoe brings quality and reliability to the channel. Kudos!
P.S. Well over 100 miles on my ZF flyknits they still do great! I don't run on water and React is so durable that I don't see reasons to "upgrade" to v3... for now.
I think the zoom flys will be a perfect tempo/racing shoe for the people like me who can't afford a $250 fast marathon shoe 😅
I think that's exactly where it's targeted
I think the weight removes the benefit compared to just using a lighter shoe.
I hope you're right. I'm a bigger midpack speed racer and bought it for my Boston attempt.
Same I bought it for my Shanghai marathon
Everytime I ran into unavoidable puddle I screamed "kofuziiiiiiiii"
be like water, my friend
He was running in a lake dude, NOT in an unavoidable puddle, he intentionally run into the lake, so then he can blame the shoe for getting wet and not drying......very smart isn't it?????
Yeah, but he didn't run into the lake unavoidably, he ran into it intentionally!!!!! 😜
kofuzi well played bruce 😄
@@ndk4 ua-cam.com/video/4adKfP-wxfk/v-deo.html 🤔
I’m on my second pair of these and haven’t had any hotspots. They are one of my favorite all around training shoes. Hope Nike keeps this line going.
I've been watching your videos and love watching your videos. Please keep doing what you've been doing. Thank you! I'm also a Nike fan and love the most both the Zoom Fly 1 and Zoom Fly Flyknit out of all the running shoes I've tried. I tried the Zoom Fly 3 at a store but the Vaporweave upper did not feel comfortable with the material and the shape and the Vaporweave upper looked very plastic. With the Zoom Fly Flyknit and Zoom Fly 3 that were both brand new out of the box, I compared side by side by squeezing the midsole foams of both and the Zoom Fly 3 felt noticeably harder than the Zoom Fly Flyknit even though they're both React foam. Did you feel that Zoom Fly 3 foam felt harder in your hand when you squeezed it? The greater stack height of Zoom Fly 3 with more React foam might have made runners feel more cushion when it's on foot. Out of the three different Zoom Fly versions, which version do you think is the fastest for your 400 meter run for your speed workout?
this video was super informative for me. I purchased a pair of zoomfly 3 after watching this and reading a few other reviews. I am so stoked on this shoe. It is easily the best running shoe I have ever owned. Thanks for taking the time to make high quality and informative content. It's really appreciated
Thanks so much for watching and for taking the time to write!
Thanks greatly for this review. I've been using the Zoom Fly Flyknit 2 (which is one of my favorite shoes), and I've been considering purchasing these for my next half marathon.
Both are good options
I had ankle and knee pain at the very first mile on my Zoomfly3, but I’m slowly getting used to it and feels way better now. Maybe not the best shoe for me but it’s still nice though.
i hope it works out for you!
Ankle and knee pain can occur for various reasons, the shoe is the last, maybe you're already injured from something else, or overtrained from another sport.....also, you can have running form issues, which can cause your pain right at the first mile......it definitely sounds like your knee and ankle was already over stressed, when you got to the first mile or else you're overweight.........
Thanks for making this video! I didn't have this problem with the Zoom Fly 3 but with the Nike Pegasus Turbo 2. First run I had a lot of pain in my almost all the toes in my right foot. I think that was partly due to too tight lacing so I played around with it a little but then started having a lot of pain in my right big toe. I was going to return the shoes but then I remembered your insole trick so I bought a cheap $8 Dr.Scholl running insole and having that thicker more substantial insole really saved the Turbo 2 and has allowed me to keep it in rotation. Now if I had paid full price for the Turbo 2 I probably would have returned it immediately but I got such a great deal on it that I wanted to give it a real chance before returning.
Glad those insoles saved it buddy.
I would suggest the upper now looks “Springsteened”. 😂
I can feel the midsole mellowing our a bit now on my pair. It’s kind of like cake dough that needed more manipulation before it tastes quite right. 👍🏼
EDDBUD I’m a stickler for the road runner sports custom insoles. I find they make a world of difference compared to the stock insoles in any running shoe, IMO
@@jaisonwilliams3285 Thanks for posting about this Jaison. Im sure there is something locally within the UK that does a similar product. The Zoom Fly 3 has been a little underwhelming up to now. Not just on the insole front, but the general feel and performance.
Totally agree the ZF3 is underwhelming. I sent mine back
Nike's zoomx series are like racing cars , they're only meant for running and on tracks and uniform road.
Nike's zoomx series are like racing cars , they're only meant for running and on tracks and uniform road.
Do I believe you if you say you tried to avoid a little bit of the water??? 🤔😂
I mean, I still got wet. Just not as wet as usual
@@kofuzi lol
@kofuzi you are crushing it with the recent vids, great review 🔥
i appreciate your support
Most comfortable (shoe) I’ve ever worn. A bit spongy but this is the one even if you’re not a runner. Very breathable.
i'm glad you've enjoyed it!
The Zoom fly 3 is definitely not the easiest to clean, however, I have found that you can relatively easily detach the "middle layer" of the upper and then you can clean out the debris that gets stuck under the "VaporWeave". hope this helps ;-)
How?
@@jackgkelly5943 By lifting one part up.
It’s really interesting hearing your review and reading comments about certain pain points from this shoe. For me it’s been pain in my heel and the arch of my right foot. I’m hoping with hitting a 100 miles they might adjust a little more to my feet
I have the exact same pain issue that you reported here with this shoe. The pain starts at the same mile mark and it’s gets to the point where your toes feels so cramped you can’t push off anymore.
Great vid! Very informative as always. Sticking with my Zoom fly FKs for the moment though... Especially now that they're on the outlets. Any chance of getting and reviewing the NB rebels and propels? Good luck on the training,💪🏻✌🏻🔥🔥🔥
Isn't it amazing how we are all different and experience differences in shoes. I have 4 pairs of this shoe knowing how quickly Nike changes their designs. I bought one pair and then decided to get the top model (Vaporfly next% @ £250) only to be very disappointed with it. The inner sole you can't remove so I could not use my orthotics and the weird lace up system at an angle made the shoe fell really uncomfortable. I also thought the two shoes were very close in performance, but the Zoom fly 3 allowed me to remove the innersole so I could use my orthotics. It was a no brainer for me as the Next % were sent back and I then went on to purchase another 3 pairs of the Zoom fly 3. Very happy with this shoe as I also fell it fits a lot better on me than the Vaporfly next %. Always enjoy your reviews 👍
Thanks for the vid. I've just ordered the zoom fly flyknit, I'm so last year! Saves me a fortune though.
i'm feeling quite nostalgic for it right now
Its a great shoe, my first experience with a carbon plate, amazing feel! And a bargain!
Just got a pari as well for $56 at nike factory. On sale for 79 and then additional 30% off
Same just got a pair for $60 with tax. Just took a first run felt amazing!
@Armando Sturzenegger in Eindhoven (The Netherlands) you can also get this shoe at the Nike outlet store. It's quite crowded, but luckily people don't go there for running shoes, so you can ask them and they will get it from the storage.
Best training shoe on the market ,I run 100 mile a week , at all paces , no foot problems , and wear is exceptional, Way better version than the Flyknit , and just comfortable to run in.
That's quite the mileage!
Do you recommend it as the unique daily trainer?
Thank you sooo much for this in depth review. Litterally started with running (bike cyclist before, want to go in the direction triathlon and your channel is sooo helpfull for me you cant imagine.)
As I had the chance to get them in pink for 89€ here in germany I couldnt resist. I'm around 50miles in, and I totally love them - maybe my distances are too short on each run (around 3-6miles depending on the mood) but so far I had no problems at all with them besides my own too weak muscles x).
In the past I just bought what was somewhat expensive (for exmaple had a few gel kayanos and they were actually not for me at all) and were looking "healthy"... so ye, just thank you for your channel and your work, you are helping us so much c:
Do they make you run faster or longer ?
that's great! thanks for watching!
happy running!
I get the pain you talk about all the time in my right mid foot, I’ve always thought it was a cramp. I’m going to have a look at getting tailored insoles and see if that helps!
YES! I have the same thing in this exact shoe
It’s the carbon fiber plate. It hurts me too...
I just got the electro green ZF3’s. I’m loving them at the moment. I got caught in the rain on my last run and turnt it up to a full speed sprint to make it home without being soaked. It felt like I was being propelled forward by the carbon plates to keep a steady yet easy ride in full stride. I previously had the Lunar Epic flynit 2’s and even though they Weigh less I feel good in the ZF3’s. Thank you for the video 👍
i'm glad you're enjoying your zoom fly 3!
Jozeph Rice hey how would you compare the lunarlon flyknit 2 vs the zoom fly 3?
FuryTurtle GT funny you should ask I just ran a 5K wit the Lunar flynit 2’s.. it felt like a spineless mat compared to the plated zoom flys. I don’t see myself ever going back to non plated running shoes, unless it’s about 5 miles and under.
Seriously have no idea how he doesn’t have millions of views
thanks for watching!
omg, I definitely feel the same about the cushioning as well as the upper. Even though I already put about 450miles in them, I still prefer the zoom fly flyknit.
So I just recently ordered a pair of customized Zoom Fly 3 with flyknit upper, hopefully it will be a better fit.
That'll be an interesting shoe
One of the best review and you nailed it in the head
I hated this shoe due to foot pain. Had then for 9 months and stuck at below 100miles. I’m going to try with insoles. Too cool looking shoes to walk away from!!
After seeing a bunch of ZF3 reviews I think I'm going to pass.
I did speed work today on a pair of ZFSP's. Such a good underrated shoe. How does the VaporWeave upper compare to the SP upper.
the SP is thinner. it didn't have all that neoprene (or whatever that material is)
This is a fantastic review mate. I felt a bit unsupported in the heel (just had plantar fasc.) and after watching this video I decided to try a different insole. Because it is very, very thin. Replaced them with a Saucony insole from an older pair of shoes, and the shoe went from okay to great. Thanks a lot.
I love my zoom fly 3s because they make me want to go out and run. I think they’re a fun shoe compared to something like my vomero 14s there is just so much bounce and honestly the amount of foam in these bad boys is astounding
I do think they are a fun shoe
So I got a pair of these 4 years ago...been used as part of rotation specifically for speedier drills, maybe once or twice a month...just hit 600km and they are still working well and do the job. So Nike did the job with these... at least for me
you've been using a pair of shoes for 4 years? amazing
Totally late response, but I do recall watching this video in the past and the topic of it getting dirty. I had recently cleaned white Zoom Fly 3's... after 250 miles haha. I found a huge improvement by cleaning the outside with a light nylon brush on the outside with liquid water detergent. With the laces off, I pulled the eyelets out and took a soft toothbrush with liquid laundry detergent between the two inner layers that removed the debris and cleaned up the color significantly. Took the kitchen sprayers and rinsed the inside layers out. I would say 85% improvement in looks.
I was and am still pleased with the current shoe so much I am hoping they make a ZF4.
Just watched your review - I have run in both the zoom fly 1 and flyknit versions and am contemplating on ordering the ZF 3's. About a week before the World Championships I was doing some speed work and what was a 'hot spot' that I had noticed on a few runs almost instantly turned into a terrible stabbing pain just as you described. It was so bad I had to take a few days off completely leading into my race. I swapped out the insole for a pair of Hoka cushier insoles I had kicking around and it literally rescued me and allowed me to race. I definitely notice hot spots in Zoom Flys though. Just bought a pair of NB Rebels and am surprisingly impressed. Not sure what i should do!
if you want to keep running in Zoom Flys, I'd run with a different insole that works for you. Otherwise, I'd find another shoe.
Kofuzi- Another great video , I presume you know you overpronate mostly on your right ankle so that is why the inserts help you, I have the same inserts and I also overpronate while running. Keep running and keep making great videos
i agree. The zoom fly flyknit is better than the zoomy fly 3. Zoom fly feels way heavier than zoom fly 3 imo. But i do like the design alot
The Zoom Fly FK is a 10mm drop, and the 3 is a 8mm drop. I wonder if that is part of the reason for the foot pain. Also, you can get the Zoom Fly 3 with a FlyKnit upper if you get a customized version on nike.com. I wonder how that would compare as far as the moisture issue.
i run in a variety of 1mm to 12mm drop shoes. if i have a super power, it's that drop seems to never bother me.
Nice review, I still haven’t run in a pair of Nike yet! Maybe I’ll try them out after my Marathon.
Thank you for the charity shout out and your generous donation, it mean a lot to me and the charity.
Beware if you have wide feet. They are narrow.
My violet/purple one has also discolored; only 54K done so far. However, I won't agree it squishes so much on wet runs. I run a lot in tropical rains. I also have the FK version, and I agree, I like the FK version better. Interesting about the pain; have not come across that quite yet. I also used the ZF3 for a half marathon last Sunday on a very hilly course and ended up with a PR! All that said, I am "saving" my FK version for important races/training runs; it is way better. Thank you for your video.
I had squish issue every time i run 7+ miles because of the sweetness and humidity here in Puerto Rico is frustrating 😞 but i love this shoe.
I also have an issue with sweat soaking the extra long laces.
kofuzi yeah story of my runs 🤣🤣
The shoes feels pretty stiff for me, I thought I just had to break in to it but it’s still stiff and uncomfortable for tempo runs, Do you have the same problem?
Yeah I feel you. I was able to get a super good price for them but it feels like its impossible to break in. I usually run in cheap $60 shoes because my feet are pretty sturdy and I've had a WAYYY easier time breaking those in than these shoes.
well duh it has a carbon fiber plate, it's supposed to not bend (i like stiff shoes for the record, easier on my feet)
Nike's zoomx series are like racing cars , they're only meant for running and on tracks and uniform road.
Do you think the midsole geometry is responsible for discomfort? Big fan of the OG Zoom Fly which felt smoother imo
i'm not sure i have the capacity to answer that question
the color of this shoe is the last thing I want to know about...
Very honest review, much appreciated.
Interesting difference between Flyknit & Vaporweave. I just ordered a pair of the Next% flyknit, I'm hoping they'll be a bit more comfortable than the Vaporweave on my other pairs of Next%. Not that Vaporweave is uncomfortable per se, but I have a feeling flyknit will take the comfort of the Next% to another level.
It'll be interesting
The Zoom Fly Flyknit has the best midsole I've ever felt in a shoe. Afterwards I went for the Peg 35 Turbos and I gotta say I was disappointed with the ZoomX + React combo. I was looking forward to trying the Zoom Fly 3 but maybe I should just try to find another pair of Zoom Fly FK.
it was a good shoe
wow what a throwback in my recs
I've clocked 400km on the ZF3. Took about 200km to get used to the shoes. Didn't like the ankle fit initially as the back heel padding was fairly low and took some getting used to. The cushioning and plate bounce were great from day 1. It's still pretty good after 400km.
A lot of people have commented on how heavy this version is compared to previous versions. Did you find this?. In our local Nike outlet they have version 1 and the fly knit for £60. A bargain.
it's heavy. did i notice it on my long run? only when they were wet.
The green & purple color ways are on sale right now on Nike! Thinking of getting a pair myself! Thanks for the review.
thanks for watching!
I just ordered these, got them customized too! My first every customer Nike’s so I’m super excited!
I hope you enjoy!
When you get a new pair of white shoes you can get a spray for discoloration, it's usually the sun hitting the material
Great!Thanks as usual for this very accurate review, at this point I'm in total doubt for half marathon between Zoom Fly 3 and Zoom Fly Flyknit, what do you think?
I loved the ZF1 (300+ miles). ZF2 (~350 miles) midsole was much better, but i hated the flyknit, and the fact it dug into my achilles if running more than 10 miles. I'm struggling to get to 20 miles total on the ZF3 because for some reason one knee and the opposite ankle are having problems. I dont know what it is, but I'm still trying to get more miles into them if i can get through the pain.
Be careful. If a shoe doesn't work, I'd say that it's highly unlikely that it will get better. I got lucky that I was able to salvage this one
Very helpful review, thanks. I currently rotate a pair of Zoom Fly Flyknits that should last me through the year. My concerns with this shoe was that the two layer upper reminded me of the Peg Turbo 1, which collected debris between layers, and I’m casually concerned about the potential lack of flexibility in the plastic “lace plates” in this current model. So I’m going to sit tight and wait to see what’s new for next season.
Nice video Kofuzi! For long runs, epic react, Infinity react or zoom fly 3?
Interesting comment on the footpain. I have stopped running in my Flyknits for now because of foot pain, especially on my left foot (which is half a size bigger than my right), in the area of the ball of my foot (a little forward and to the left). I had been using them mostly for track and interval work, but was trying to build distance in them. I had to put them to the side because building distance for my marathon next weekend was more important. I'll get back to them after the marathon, as I don't have too many Ks in them at all. It's put me off thinking of the Zoom Fly 3 for now, as a distance shoe.
if it's like what i'm experiencing, i think it's something that happens to people in react midsoles. there's some hypotheses floating around as to why this is happening and that nike seems to know about i and seems to be trying to prevent the condition. i'm hopeful for the future
I have a love/hate relationship with this thing... not had any issues as such but I just begrudge paying that much for a shoe that’s just too heavy to race in. It’s great for workouts though.... just too expensive!!
I never really noticed the weight until everyone started talking about it. Even so, it doesn't feel as heavy as everyone says
I had my worst injuries in this shoe. I found it to be great for the first 100 miles and then it started to fall apart. It was springy and reacted well however the shoe felt dead and I had a similar pain in my foot, that didn't happen with the new balance 1080v10s, since I have switched shoe I've never had the same pain again, I guess it could have been because I have a wide foot and these shoes are narrow at the front toe box. The shoe itself is fast, the fastest thing I've ever worn, I just couldn't go big distances in it.
Compared to the 3 pair of OG and one pair of Flyknit Zoomfly’s version 3 is a brick and more or less useless for me. I’m keeping them in my rotation for 10k slow training days only because I went to so much trouble to get a pair that fit properly after having a sizing issue. I am of the opinion that NIKE blew it with this version, I have issues with the fit, the feel, the weight, outsole feel etc. I WANT to like them because this shoe (Zoomfly) really made a huge difference for me.
What was your size trouble, did you have to go up/down? I have only tried ZF3 in store, it felt OK with my size (9) (like other Nikes).
Let's say you have no Zoom Fly and need to get new a new pair, would you go for a flyknit version again? Or anything else - what would be your pick?
Miko-why Ceha I ordered them from Nike.de (I live in Germany) They were boxed and labeled as a size 11 which is my normal size but they fit as if they were a 12 so i returned them. Nike actually checked and verified they were indeed mislabeled and were a completely different size. I reordered another pair using a goodwill discount they gave me for the inconvenience, these fit relatively well except for the heel. Even using the runners knot I cannot get them to lockdown, the heel collar just won’t cinch. I’ve never had this issue before. For me the Flyknit was the most natural out of the box perfect fit of nearly any shoe I’ve ever owned. The OG also fits me perfectly. As for the vaoorweave material, I don’t care for it, both previous versions are preferable to me.
In the end make sure you can lock them down before you buy them. Mine are reserved for slower days this version is a 👎👎
@@markfalkingham590 thanks.
For me it is a question of choice ahead - both versions are in stores. Now It seems the older is a better deal (not mentioning the price), right?
OG - what is it? Can't recall a name.
Miko-why Ceha Ah sorry, OG meaning Original Version Zoomfly with the upper made of what reminds me of nylon.
Sorry to hear it was a bust for you
These look so good that when the time comes I’ll buy another pair of Pegasus 😂
Which one will you recommend? These pairs or Pegasus 37 based on your testing after 100 miles?
i’ve put roughly 200 miles on my zoom fly flyknits, they’re holding up ok. think i need new shoes though soon.
i suspect that you will be able to run in the zoom fly flyknits for a lot longer
Hey! I had the same issue but after the 100 mile mark. It hurt for a couple days at only the one mile mark for me and now it’s perfectly fine.
Very informative review as always. I still have the zoom flyknits that I use and I love them. I will definitely give these a try 🤘🏽
I hope you enjoy!
The discolouration could be down to the UV light having an effect on the shoe's plastic covering. I run with the same shoe but I use orthotics and don't have any problems. I did buy a pair of the Vaporfly Next shoes but these have a fixed innersole so I couldn't use my Orthotics. I ended up sending the Vaporfly's back and bought 2 more pairs of Zoom Fly 3s. I also found the Zoom Fly 3 more comfortable than the Vaporfly Next.
They are on sale and I just purchased them 😬90 bucks discount I was so tempted because I liked the color and wanted to see how they fit. I was so tempted, but let me just try them on. I bought it because I have heard that it helps with speed. Do you recommend anything that helps with speed? I am still on the fence with these whether to keep them or not. I just thought the deal was something I couldn't pass up. I know your thoughts with Nike. Do you think the carbon fiber plate rusted with the water making the feeling in your foot weird? I don't know maybe just a thought or if it was stuck in the cold and hot for a while that it could affect the carbon plate. I know you don't have the answer to these questions, but I am just curious if this is what happened.
just bought 2nd hand pair of zoom fly 3 and planning to wash it but after watch this review im little worry ..anyway how many miles can this shoes last?..great shoes i got my pb today😆💪
Hey, would you rather run a marathon in these or the Pegasus Turbo 2?
I'd rather run in vaporfly, but if I had to choose, these
kofuzi so you kinda prefer the carbon insert feel from Zoom fly to the ZoomX from Turbo 2 ? I have hésitations after Turbo 2 sole issues to buy a new pair of Turbo... I loved them but the sole, man...
I had hot spots at 3-5 miles in on basically every run thru 35 to 50 miles in Zoom Fly and 2 pair of Zoom Fly FKs. Surprisingly I took the Zoom Fly 3 straight into a 15 mile run with no issues.
nice. i hope it stays that way for you!
i love the ZF Flyknits besides on humid summer days. the sweat gets stuck in the shoe instead of wicking away and makes it unbearably heavy. i had the same issue with the hoka rincon on my long run yesterday. i haven't tried the ZF3 yet but i imagine the vaporweave would handle it alot better.
I never really though Flyknit was a problem
Good video 👍, little question, I should buy the zoom fly 3 at $110 or the zoom fly Flyknit at $80
Thanks for you honest review. Loving your channel:)
Thanks so much for watching!
I've also felt that particular pain and research indicates it may be morten's neuroma..massage and rolling and changing insoles eliminated it for me..IMO nike insoles are akin to putting a plastic chair as a seat in a Corvette..I replace every one of them with a skechers (the best) or Hoka insole..the epic react with a skechers insole or the NB beacon (also a very poor insole) with a skechers insole are my current race shoes of choice up to half marathon..if I could just find a good trail shoe that was comfortable and secure,that had decent traction, I'd be a happy boy..enjoy the channel thoroughly
racing seats aren't plastic (or carbon fiber)?
Still loving mine but not close to 100 miles yet! Dig the music btw 😍
When I was younger, I had tons of arch problems as I am flat-footed. When I got fit with orthotics, that sensation you described of “Every shoe feeling the same” is the same kind of thing that I experienced as well. Including the increased weight, I felt as though the springiness and character of shoes was deadend because of the orthotic insert. Does this lunarlon-nylon plate sensation speak to the miles you have run with the inserts, or was this your sentiment beforehand?
Thanks again for the great vid!
overall, the bounciness in this year's zoom fly 3 reminds me of the bounciness/firmness of the zoom fly 1
Oh Chicago. Really love running around the lake path. I'm between buying this, or a new pair of Pegasus 36 for my first marathon (already been doing my marathon training with a pair of Pegasus) what do you think? Also been putting a lot of miles by the lake this winter. Kind of a mild winter in 2020 😅😅
I ran the 2017 chicago marathon in a pair of Pegasus. I didn’t quite think it was enough cushion for the distance.
Really interesting, I've always avoided insoles to strengthen my stride with flat feet but the fact that you tried them to fix shoes that weren't working 100% for you. I want to try the same for my zoom fly flyknits. Only 100k in them and I don't find them comfortable for half marathon distances at all. Thanks for the idea!
I'm not sure I'd go out and buy them to salvage a shoe (feels like throwing good money after bad), but I got lucky with this one
Somewhat related - I had to put an old pair of Mizuno insoles in my Beacon 2s as the standard insoles were slipping back all the time (a problem I did read about). I also suffer foot pain in the flyknits - may try a different insole too, as seen as I have bought the things and not done many Ks at all.
pegasus 37 or zoom fly 3?
Seems like the midsole and heel are both badly worn but not the front part of the sole. Tried this and I think the shoe forces you to land on your forefoot so you should see more wear on the front which also maximises efficiency during kick off, hence the purpose of the Nike racers
Compared to a rubber behemoth in the Asics or brooks family, maybe then I would consider these worn in the areas you've stated. Or if you care about cosmetics over performance, then yes. Otherwise, I'd say these are doing quite well
I have experienced the sharp pain sensation in this shoe almost identical to what you described after running an average of 100k weekly for around 3 months now, I have been attending physio therapy to help strengthen tendons and areas connected to the overall mechanics of my foot. however I must add that previously I was running in Adidas boost and with the broader width of the sole on Adidas I never suffered this issue though I might add that since moving to the zoom fly 3 my pace has increased considerably and consistently which has changed my pronation and my strike so I’m not 100% sure if it is purely down to the shoe or not? But really good solution with the change of sole which I might try as I’m thoroughly enjoying the improved performance of my runs in this shoe as they are much more affordable for my budget than the VF nxt%
I recently got into running (doing 5k every other day) and it’s been a great experience. Would you recommend these for someone like me (a beginner, who runs just for fun I guess)? I am being very hesitant about spending 250$ on vaporfly 4%s. Thank you for the thorough review!
Gurami Kasrashvili if your a beginner and running under 10 miles a day you should go with the Pegasus 36
Ma man, the hot spot issue also came to my left foot today. I agree with 100% that a $160 shoe shouldnt need an extra support to solve the hot spot issue. But I have to admit that compared to some other running shoes, Zoom Fly 3 wouldnt make me think too much about hurting my knees (because I got two serious knees injuries on my both legs once), for its great shock absorption actually gives you a great joy of running fast without being worried about getting injured.
I think the major cause of the hot spot issue that came to me today is because when I was running on the track, I used my left foot to spin first whenever I wanted to run pass someone and avoid the crowded people. And later I also found out my right foot didnt have any hot spot issues. As I took some some rest walking during the run, the hot spot issue gradually disappear, but of course when I ran again, it came back again. So is there any chance that the issue is coming from my not appropriate running techniques?
Love to hear some feedback~
Thanks advanced
BTW to be honest, the main reason why I am very fond of this pair of shoes is that Next % too expensive, and fortunately I got some discount to get these shoes today (like less than 120 usd) and its great shock absorption is the most fascinating reason why I choose them.（I like run long & fast around 18+K & 4:35min/K） I also tried on the P36 & Turbo today. And I gonna say I am probably not a fan of both of them (The soles are too hard compared to Zoom Fly 3)
i wouldn't overthink the hotspot issue with the zoom fly 3. if you experience it, i don't think it's something you can really avoid, unfortunately. it's not something that changing my footstrike or stride has seemed to ameliorate.
Zoom fly 3 are now $85 at finishline.com ,I had to get them bc of that low price. Also,pegasus 36 are $75,I didn't get those
Really? That sounds too low
It's true. I just bought the hyper violet pair.
www.finishline.com/store/product/mens-nike-zoom-fly-3-running-shoes/prod2789597?styleId=AT8240&colorId=500
@@kofuzi it may sound too low,but it's the price
Jeepers that’s cheap! $230 (Australian) here. Finish line don’t ship international!
Hey Kofuzi, any plans on purchasing the Nike Joyride? It wouldn't be something I would buy as they don't offer wide sizes. But it would be interesting to get your thoughts on it if you do wind up buying them.
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So, when you first got these shoes, I asked if you recommended them over the turbo v1, you said yes...still feel the same or do they just serve a completely different purpose?
I never trust 1st impression. I used them as a guide. I always look for reviewers who had done serious miles on the shoes. Try to look at least 2 reviewers. Kofuzi is one of those I look at and one other. Sometimes it's hard to find them for the lesser known brands/models
That's really two different questions. They do serve a different purpose.
But if you want me to pick between turbo v1, which I had shallow toe box issues, or zoom fly 3 (and I get to use an insole), I'll pick Zoom Fly 3, depending on the distance.
It’s the carbon plate...I have had two pairs of these shoes and had to put padding in them because the plate would cut into the toe area of my foot after a couple miles...good shoe after putting the new padding in them.
I wanted to buy these for a very long time but you just changed my mind
Kofuzi- thank you for another great review. Wanted the white until I watched your vid, so I got the Kofuzi Chicago color.
My least favorite Nike, I think I just prefer the ZoomX foam in Turbos & %s.
i really liked running in this shoe. but the foot issues it exacerbated or me were hard for me to overlook
I also am experiencing a hot spot in the right foot just behind the second toe wearing this shoe. I noticed today that I now have a callus forming in that same spot. No problem with the left foot. Only the right and it isn't painful but definitely can feel it during my runs. I prefer the fit of the previous model better. This one seems a little tight across the top.
other commenters tell me that it's a morton's neuroma that's developing. i'm not quite convinced.
but i would try an aftermarket insole. or thicker socks.
I actually have a neuroma in the right foot and this doesn’t feel anything like that. The neuroma, when it flares up, feels like my sock is bunched up under my forefoot. Fortunately, it usually only flares up in cold weather and mine has never been painful. This feels very specific to one small point right where that callus is forming.
Can't say Ive tried the Zoom Fly Fly knit or the Zoom Fly 3, just got my Zoom Fly v1 with lunarlon and I personally love it! I don't want to like a Nike shoe, but I do! Its a dangerous and expensive hole to fall into!
It can be
Hi Kofuzi, currently loving peg turbo 2s for my marathon training but looking at either the zoom fly 3, zoom fly sp or zoom fly sp fast as a cheap pick-up to add into rotation and to try a plated shoe for the first time. Which out of those 3 would you go for?
I have ware in the same place (on the heel) in my shoes. Sometimes if the ware is serious it can cause pain in my ankle when I walk. Then I know I have to buy new shoes. Do you have that problem as well?
Hey Kofuzi, I have a quick question for you regarding the insole. I have a RR insole that I haven't been using. I felt the insole added rigidity to the midsole/ride. I'm a sucker for squish in my midsole, and felt the RR insole added too much firmness.
Also, I perceive the insole added undue weight to the entire shoe. I'd need to weigh the insoles to confirm, but I wanted to see if you experience the same perception with the insole. Maybe I'll test them in the ZF3 and see how I like it.
I haven't noticed any pain or hot spots in my ZF3 yet. I'll let you know if I do.
I used I insoles too mainly for my Insertional Achilles issue. Yes, it adds rigidity but that's the whole point of orthotics and the weight... Wait till they got wet and soak in water... Man, they weigh a tonne!
I address pretty much everything you asked in this video
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But in this case, it was able to salvage a shoe. So the question is not whether it makes it firmer or heavier. It's whether the shoe is runnable or not.
beautiful shots by the water. just subscribed
thanks so much!
Hello. My name 's John.
I am about to buy new runnign shoes. Either the NIKE zoom fly 3, or the NIKE React infinity run flyknit 2. Which you suggest me to buy?. Thank you..I am turning to these beautiful shoes though. And all comments i hear from fellow runners in Greece, speak the best for these shoes here. Thank you.
Agree. Zoom Fly Flynit is a better shoe. The ZF3 feels heavy, as it is, and it also feel hot as well. I also feel the same about the Next%, it actually feels hotter than the FlyNit 4% version.
i disagree when it comes to the next %
@@kofuzi I agree with you now. After some more runs, safe to say they are absolutely amazing. At race pace during a half marathon I PR'd without really trying to. I will be running the NYC Marathon in them this year.
Love your channel it helps so much 😎💯
What kind of average mileage do you get out of shoes(I know it's such a general question and it deserves a 'depends' answer)? When do you decide that the shoe needs to get retired? I got 500km out of the first Zoom Flys before they tore(got replaced for free), still on the Zoom Fly FK (over 500km) and they are starting to seem 'flat'... Thinking about getting these for training. Thanks for the review.
the long and specific answer is: your body will tell you (i.e. you said your Zoom Fly 2 are starting to feel flat). i usually listen for sudden little aches and pains that don't really have any explanation.
the short and non-specific answer: about 250-300 miles.
I have rt foot metatarsalgia in certain shoes and it starts at various miles within the run depending on which shoe. Saucony Triumphs at 8mi so I retired these early in 2019. Peg35 Turbos at 4mi and only sometimes. Hoka Clifton1 2019 never... I hope this Zoomfly3 is ok, I just bought them online bc of a great deal and I needed a halfM race shoe and cannot find Vaporflys nor do I want to spend that kind of money. My rotation of last two years now has been Hoka Clifton 2019 (have couple of pairs) for slower longer runs and Peg35 Turbos for shorter faster stuff and it works great almost forgot abt metatarsalgia issue. Used the Peg35 second fresh pair for Detroit HalfM Oct2019 and made it but early on in race I thought my rt foot was going to stop me due to same metatarsalgia pain. Bought the Zoomfly3 to have for long races and was hoping no foot issues... is this similar to your issue??