Thank you so much for featuring my comment, I was thrilled ! Your podcast has become a central part of my Wednesday mornings, and you guys break things down so well, it's like a mini- bible study that even a secular person can grasp..I can't wait to meet you two in our forever home ! BTW my last name is Dent, like a dent in a car !😂❤🎉
I am a new subscriber, have been following Jesus for 20 years. Regarding the rapture; I cannot agree with you more, Praise God, and also I want you to check out Isaiah 26:19-21 in regards to the rapture, plus, if you continue reading the remainder of chapter 26 it goes on to mention the Great Trumpet blast in regards to the Jews as you had made a mention of.....Thank you for what you are doing! God Bless in Jesus name!. sorry continue reading isaiah 27 to read about a great trumpet sounding!
Setting aside theology for a moment, the prettib rapture lines up perfectly with the dispensation outline of scripture.. EVERY age in the Bible is bookended by 'God events' to start and end the age.
Yes but we know what we are looking for but some don’t, seeking first the kingdom of God was the best thing I ever did after accepting Christ as my Lord and saviour
Revelation 19 - the original greek uses the term for ‘woman’ not bride. Indicating the marriage was finished. Woman was used in Hebrew to refer to a wife. Amen & Hallelujah.
The truth because the Church has failed in general. This..... is how you know you WILL go to Heaven and NOT HELL Man is destined to die once.... and then face judgement.... Hebrews 5 v 27 John 14 v 6 Jesus said 'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man can come to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME. HOW!!! Romans 10 v 9 If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, You WILL Be Saved. AND You are saved FOREVER. 1 Ephesians 1 v 13 WHEN you believed, you were MARKED with a seal, by the Holy Spirit, GUARANTEEING your Inheritance until the day of redemption. Romans 8 v 38 Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the PRESENT NOR THE FUTURE, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor ANYTHING else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The wedding of the church to Christ occurs in Heaven after the bema judgment whereas the marriage supper occurs on earth where the invited guests are. Ezekiel 39:24, 29 reflects the fact that at the end of the church age, the time of which God's focus was on the church and Israel is placed on the backburner. with the departure of the church Israel, the Jewish people, is restored to the forefront of God's focus. It's vitally important to eschatology that one recognizes God's two distinct programs, one for Israel and one for the church. Having several of Toff's and Jeff's books, it's also essential to view things from a dispensational perspective. Fortunately for all those who deny or reject the pretrib rapture it's not a salvific issue.
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine? Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." (The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected. The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Watch the UA-cam video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.
One can only understand the doctrine of the Rapture and Second coming through a Jewish cultural wedding. The bride is chosen, Her father takes her home and builds an extra room so the father's house will be able to accommodate the bridegroom and his bride in his house when the father tells the bridegroom to go get his bride. The process is often a year long, meaning that there is time between choosing her and going to get her and being her back with her husband. This process has been done for thousands of years. It is the first miracle of Christ and affirms the Jewish wedding custom. He even gets the best wine for the Wedding feast! How can anyone who has some basic understanding of exegesis, hermeutic and knows how to correctly interpret scripture and can discern between, type, metaphors, signs, prophecies etc miss this obvious and clear explanation of the difference between the Rapture and the second coming miss this. Respectfully.
@@eugenejoseph7076 I have heard this "story" before. The problem is it does not come from the Bible. You are telling a "story" not found in the Bible and then you are ignoring the scripture in the article above. You cannot understand the return of Christ, if you ignore the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found in the Bible. New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 and the Old Covenant is "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, why would any Christian believe God is going back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
In Revelation 20:4, we get a glimpse of the fate of those who, during the tribulation, refuse to take the mark: I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and for those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands (Revelation 20:4). This tells us that a refusal to receive the mark-and to pledge allegiance to the antichrist-will mean certain death.
I am confused about Matthew 24 verse 31. I am confused how this is referencing the Jewish people on earth at Christ's return when it says Angels are gathering his Elect from one end of heaven to the other. Can someone help me understand this scripture since they are saying in this Video it is the Jewish people only
The Jews (Israelites) are the elect. The Body of Christ Church is not the elect, nor are we Israel. I know a lot of people teach that we are, but there isn't one single verse saying we are Israel. Just a bunch of misunderstanding of doctrine.
Prophecy “pros”, and you can’t even understand that there’s no rapture? There’s a catching away which occurs on the same day as Christ’s return, AFTER THE TRIBULATION. It’s clear as day, read Matthew 24:29-31, Matthew 13:24-30, and Mark 13:24-27. The reason we meet in the air and come down to earth with Jesus is because it’s an ancient tradition to meet the KING outside of the city and accompany Him through the city gates with much fanfare and celebration. Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
2 Corinthians 11:3-15 King James Version 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things. 7 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely? 8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service. 9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth. 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Here Paul is speaking to believers and so many of you put your trust in a sorcerer and you seem like preachers of righteousness that you do but you haven’t realised that you are actually being self righteous, due to bad doctrine and your end will be according to your works you reap what you sow and if you don’t know yet how to be restored maybe you can ask JD Farag as he has an idea how because if you don’t understand the difference you’ll be asking questions as hypocrites
@@MrsPin1954 they are not going to call me Satan again nor antichrist either they call apply those tittles to themselves 1 Thessalonians 4 is clear about defrauding a brother
One is biblical the other contrived of man given by satan. One will have men armed and suited up for the days ahead and ready to endure the tribulation and able to shine their lights into the darkness. The other will have men (mat24;45-54) saying, "my lord has delayed his coming", and start smiting their fellow servants and.drinking with the drunkards stumbling in their own vomit. One will endure until the lords coming and the other will be the falling away of the faith that 2 thes 2 talks about. The evil servants of mat 24 are pretribbers. Same with the foolish virgins of mat 25. They both think the lord comes early and because of this they are left out and separated with hypocrites. The same hypocrites who couldnt see the timimg of his first coming even though it was plainly written for all to see and understand. Just like his second coming. Those that could tell the sings of the weather and stuff but not the coming of their lord whom thy were waiting on. But they were waiting for another lord. One who would be their king on earth Blind teachers, straining at gnats but swallowing camels. The second coming is the harvest of all Gods souls. Those dead and alive. Its also the winnowing where the tares are thrown to the winepress or the wrath of God, which Jesus tramples after gathering us. Matthew 13 explains this, and Revelation 14-15 shows this. And Matthew 24 has our lords own words telling us that after the tribulation of those days.........wake up and suit up. We are here and its going to be a rough ride. And unless we are prepared in him and abiding in him and suited up with truth and the whole armor we will not stand. The pretrib lie was given to us just so we would not be prepared. The devil will claim many christian souls because of this lie. .........WAKE UP OH SLEEPER.
GOD IS GOING TO SAVE THE CHURCH AND SPANK THE WORLD FOR 7YEARS TITUS 2:13 COLOSSIANS 3;4 HEBREWS 12 22 REVELATION 5:9 HABAKKUK 2;1-3 LUKE 21-34-36 JOHN 14 1-3 ENJOY GODS WORD
The both of you should try and study God's word a bit closer. The Rapture is a different event because only the believers will see the Lord. The second coming Christ said the whole world would see. Please consider people that are new in Christ and stop confusing them The infallible word of God speaks on its own. Very dangerous territory.
Well they are either the samething or else the rapture is made up and not biblical. But the second coming if you insist on separating them is biblical and is the harvest of the wheat to heaven and the tares to the winepress. I dont swe how pretribbers think the church is anything other than wheats or tares.????
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim no brother its not. The harvest is after the 7th trumpet...ie revelation 14.....that what your seeing is the marriage supper mixed in with his wrath being poured out. Not much difference but its just a vision of us in heaven just like at the 6th seal and in revelation 15. Jesus on a white horse is him coming with vengence. On a cloud is our harvest. Its all the day of the Lord and not much time separating ..... But the rapture/harvest/second coming are the samething....it happens after all the signs and events of the 7th trumpet. But what most dont see is the 6th seal and 7th trumpet happen together.....the 5th-7th trumpets happen during the 6th seal. Both ending in our rapture before the 7th seals silence and the the wrath of the 7 vials.
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim no brother they are not. His 10s of 1000s of saints are actually numbered.......12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. These are the very elect which he chooses in the 6th seal. You know, the 4 angels standing on the 4 corners holding back the wind that it blow not. The angels that come to hurt the earth but are stopped or bound by an angel with the seal of God in his hand. He tells the 4 angels not to hurt the earth till the144,000 are sealed. These are the same elect he has with him when he treads the winepress after the harvest.. And if you read the rest of the 6th seal, we are seen in heaven. We are those who came out of (the) great tribulation. But the same is seen in revelation 14 which is the same event as the 6th seal, the harvest, but this time we didnt worship the beast.....still its the great tribulation. The one daniel 12 and revelation 12 both show, when micheal and his angels (the restrainer) stands and cast down the dragon and his angels....or the war in heaven....or the 1/3 stars falling of the 4th trumpet leading to a full falling of the stars in the 6th seal...... Theres only on second coming, and we are harvested at this time. Hebrews 9:28 King James Version 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation Once again only.....not 2 more times....the 2nd time unto our salvation 2thes2 tells us that the day of the lord is his return and our being gathered unto him. And that that cant happen unt the falling away from the faith and the man of ...antichrist comes and places himself in the temple.
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim no the 5th seal shows those who were resurrected when jesus was. This is why they are under the sea of glass waiting on their crowns and are told to wait a short while. Till the number of us are killed like they were.
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim if you say so. That doesnt change the fact that the rapture and the harvest are the same event and that it doesnt happen until the last trumpet. The 7th trumpet of revelation. And that no man goes to heaven before the dead in christ rise first. It doesnt change anything but it gives us a mediator, Jesus our cheif preist, instead of the scribes and pharisees. He didnt change any laws or anything else. Just that faith in him is the only bridge to the father now. God does not change. The old testament saints had to believe the father and obey his words. That hasnt changed, Jesus is the fathers word come in flesh form to save us. The father and the son are one. If youve seen the father youve seen the son. He hasnt changed any of his plans, his plans have always been the same. Our redemption and salvation. His timing has never changed. Its always been the harvest after the 7th trumpet. All saints tell us this.
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim brother.....when john says blessed is him who hath part in the 1st resurrection, on such the 2nd death has no power.....he was talking of this resurrection coming up. Not when Jesus was crucified and rose bringing saints with him. Thats not what he was referring to. He was referring to the 7th trumpet resurrection.....then the 1000 years the judgement or secomd death. We who have a part in this post trib rapture will not be judged in the judgememt.
Unfortunately many who are left behind, especially cults like Jehovah's Witnesses, conflate these two events and will walk into the arms of the Beast without hesitation.
One coming of our Lord and Savior Heb 9 v 28 )Heb 12 v 26,27) I think people dont know GOD at all John 10 v 30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.THERE WILL BE NO SECRET RAPTURE ,THE WHOLE EARTH IS GOING TO BE TOTALLY DESTRUCTED.Rev 6 v 12,13) and 14.Matt 24 v 29,30 ) No contrast the people of GOD spoke out of their own pointerview.INPOSSIBLE FOR OUR LORD AND SAVIOR NOT BEEN SEEN.OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE.AMEN.
@@HesterOdendaal-z4c You are a person who wants to argue, Hester. I prefer not to argue. The only things I will say will be…….the rapture must take place before The Tribulation in order for the a.c. to be ABLE to come on the scene. The removal of the majority of the Holy Spirit will allow this. Then, when the treaty is signed, The Tribulation will begin. Seven years later, Jesus and all believers will come to earth. Then, the 1000 year reign will begin. Now, don’t get your bowels in an uproar and start licking your chops because you have new prey to attack, because I will not participate.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 refers to two different comings. One of them, Paul was looking for (1 Thes 1:10, Philippians 3:20, 4:5, Titus 2:13), but the other coming (the day of the Lord), Paul wasn't looking for (THAT DAY shall not come except... (the other coming happen first and the ac is revealed)).
John 6:39, 40, 44, 54. Yeshua will raise the dead on the last day. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the rapture happens after the tribulation on the last day the resurrection the day of the lord. Mathew 24:29-31 after the tribulation the elect gathered. Romans 11:7 1 Peter 1:1. The elect is those that believe in Yeshua. Leviticus 25:23 the land belongs to Yeshua Ezekiel 47:21-23 Israel is made up of foreigner's as well as those born into Israel. Israel is Yeshua there is only one body of Christ. Pretribulation rapture came from John Darby and Schofield and is not biblical at all.😮
It was taught by Iraneaus in book 5 chapter 5 of his writings Against Herasies. He was taught by Polycarp, who was student of Apostle John. Also by Eusebius and Ephraim. Also in the 1400 or 1600s before Darby.
@markyow5720 no actually that's been proven wrong by FAI on UA-cam all he did was actually read the manuscript in context and no Iraneaus actually taught against pretribulation rapture, so wrong try again
@markyow5720 don't you mean sudo-Ephraim, also debunked it's not even Ephraims writings. And Eusebius has also been debunked once again taking his writing out of context. Pretribulation rapture is nothing more than a grift and false hope for the low in IQ
Why do you all miss in 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 the word coming? You will hang on with dear life to the "rapture" verse there, but you completely and absolutely miss the word "coming." This passage in 1 Thessalonians is speaking about the 2nd coming, and yet you will gloss over it without a second thought because you want to believe in the pre-tribulation rapture so much that you can not see what it says in context at all.
@@jerryleecolbert if you are so passionate about your interpretation you should open a church that focuses on your specific eschatology and end times interpretation and promote your church and ministry! You’ll get followers!
@@stevencohn922 As the case may be, I have a UA-cam channel where my ministry is at. The Lord has not directed me yet to start a church, so I will follow what the Lord has set out for me.
2 Thes 2:1-8 Paul puts the falling away or Departure (rapture) before Israel's 70th week begins. This Departure is what is restraining the ac from being revealed. I call it the "pretrib rapture Checkmate verse" because no one (so far) has offered a successful rebuttal. Verse 6) and now you know...
When will you brothers ever study what JESUS taught. I mean HE IS the one that's COMING back, isn't he???? Then you have the NERVE to TWIST and ADD TO his own words. Jn14:1-3 If I go, I will COME AGAIN and receive YOU unto myself. Where does Jesus say he will COME TWICE and receive MORE people unto himself later on??? Now read Mt13:30/ Jn5:28-29/ Lu17:26-30. Will you ADD TO and CHANGE Gods word in these scriptures also, and ADD your so-called 7-YEAR tribulation when JESUS DID NOT???
Amen. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They claim the tribulation is Gods wrath eventhough it says the 7 vials are Gods wrath. And escape they twist to mean rapture. I tell ya, i escaped a fire with my life and i never once considered it a rapture. Are escape artist rapture artist? I dont see why the last trump in their eyes would be a mans trumpet? It cant be anything other than the 7th trumpet. Its only sensible. What other trumpet would be considered the last trumpet? A verse in Matthew 24 should make most turn away from the pretrib lie, besides Jesus himself saying that its after the tribulation....mat 24:45-54 and 25:1-8.........these describe the 2 groups of christians we have now. It can be summed up pretrib or post trib. One endures and keeps giving hard truths to the last minute. The other, by the time the lord comes, has said in his heart that the lord has delayed his coming. One has oil for the last hour, the other didnt think the lord would tarry. It will be a salvation issue. The foolish virgins were locked out and the evil servants separated. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Thank you so much for featuring my comment, I was thrilled ! Your podcast has become a central part of my Wednesday mornings, and you guys break things down so well, it's like a mini- bible study that even a secular person can grasp..I can't wait to meet you two in our forever home ! BTW my last name is Dent, like a dent in a car !😂❤🎉
I want to meet you there Ms. dent, like in a car! Love your joy!!
I watch Wednesday morning, while I work. So uplifting. As a minister myself, this is always an encouragement to me
Well done. Comprehensive and understandable. God’s peace to you and your families.
Thanks so much Todd and Jeff! Blessings as well await His return! 🇨🇦♥️🙏🏻🎺🔜🆙
Great program, come Lord Jesus
Thank you for this excellent explanation . Greetings and blessings from Gistel Belgium
I am a new subscriber, have been following Jesus for 20 years. Regarding the rapture; I cannot agree with you more, Praise God, and also I want you to check out Isaiah 26:19-21 in regards to the rapture, plus, if you continue reading the remainder of chapter 26 it goes on to mention the Great Trumpet blast in regards to the Jews as you had made a mention of.....Thank you for what you are doing! God Bless in Jesus name!. sorry continue reading isaiah 27 to read about a great trumpet sounding!
Setting aside theology for a moment, the prettib rapture lines up perfectly with the dispensation outline of scripture.. EVERY age in the Bible is bookended by 'God events' to start and end the age.
Yes but we know what we are looking for but some don’t, seeking first the kingdom of God was the best thing I ever did after accepting Christ as my Lord and saviour
Thank you for another great episode, so helpful have the 2 events unpicked so that we can see them clearly. Thanks
I only believe in the Truth of the bible, so.... thank you for your work here. It was thorough and correct. Very grateful
Glad you guys visit these specific eschatological questions. Thanks for your thoughtful treatment!
Also the wrath of God described in Revelation is for "the sons of DISOBEDIENCE ", and the Christ rejecting nation of Israel. NOT THE CHURCH.
Good study!!👍🏼
ok fella's , Thanks for your kind reply 🙂
Maranatha Yahusha!
Yshua not yahusha
Revelation 19 - the original greek uses the term for ‘woman’ not bride. Indicating the marriage was finished.
Woman was used in Hebrew to refer to a wife.
Amen & Hallelujah.
Thanks guys. God bless😊
If only believers will be able to see Jesus, at the rapture, it really enlarges the admonishion to be prepared!!
The truth because the Church has failed in general.
This..... is how you know you WILL go to Heaven and NOT HELL
Man is destined to die once.... and then face judgement.... Hebrews 5 v 27
John 14 v 6
Jesus said 'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man can come to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME.
HOW!!!
Romans 10 v 9
If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, You WILL Be Saved.
AND
You are saved FOREVER.
1 Ephesians 1 v 13
WHEN you believed, you were MARKED with a seal, by the Holy Spirit, GUARANTEEING your Inheritance until the day of redemption.
Romans 8 v 38
Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the PRESENT NOR THE FUTURE, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor ANYTHING else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The wedding of the church to Christ occurs in Heaven after the bema judgment whereas the marriage supper occurs on earth where the invited guests are. Ezekiel 39:24, 29 reflects the fact that at the end of the church age, the time of which God's focus was on the church and Israel is placed on the backburner. with the departure of the church Israel, the Jewish people, is restored to the forefront of God's focus. It's vitally important to eschatology that one recognizes God's two distinct programs, one for Israel and one for the church. Having several of Toff's and Jeff's books, it's also essential to view things from a dispensational perspective. Fortunately for all those who deny or reject the pretrib rapture it's not a salvific issue.
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine?
Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
(The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Watch the UA-cam video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.
One can only understand the doctrine of the Rapture and Second coming through a Jewish cultural wedding. The bride is chosen, Her father takes her home and builds an extra room so the father's house will be able to accommodate the bridegroom and his bride in his house when the father tells the bridegroom to go get his bride. The process is often a year long, meaning that there is time between choosing her and going to get her and being her back with her husband. This process has been done for thousands of years. It is the first miracle of Christ and affirms the Jewish wedding custom. He even gets the best wine for the Wedding feast! How can anyone who has some basic understanding of exegesis, hermeutic and knows how to correctly interpret scripture and can discern between, type, metaphors, signs, prophecies etc miss this obvious and clear explanation of the difference between the Rapture and the second coming miss this. Respectfully.
@@eugenejoseph7076 I have heard this "story" before. The problem is it does not come from the Bible. You are telling a "story" not found in the Bible and then you are ignoring the scripture in the article above. You cannot understand the return of Christ, if you ignore the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found in the Bible.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9.
If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 and the Old Covenant is "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, why would any Christian believe God is going back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
ENJOY GODS WORD IT NEVER CHANGES ONLY BECOMES FUFILLED
So my question that's confusing to me is what happens to the ones who do not take the mark doing the tribulations?
In Revelation 20:4, we get a glimpse of the fate of those who, during the tribulation, refuse to take the mark:
I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and for those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands (Revelation 20:4).
This tells us that a refusal to receive the mark-and to pledge allegiance to the antichrist-will mean certain death.
I am confused about Matthew 24 verse 31. I am confused how this is referencing the Jewish people on earth at Christ's return when it says Angels are gathering his Elect from one end of heaven to the other. Can someone help me understand this scripture since they are saying in this Video it is the Jewish people only
The Jews (Israelites) are the elect. The Body of Christ Church is not the elect, nor are we Israel. I know a lot of people teach that we are, but there isn't one single verse saying we are Israel. Just a bunch of misunderstanding of doctrine.
Prophecy “pros”, and you can’t even understand that there’s no rapture? There’s a catching away which occurs on the same day as Christ’s return, AFTER THE TRIBULATION. It’s clear as day, read Matthew 24:29-31, Matthew 13:24-30, and Mark 13:24-27.
The reason we meet in the air and come down to earth with Jesus is because it’s an ancient tradition to meet the KING outside of the city and accompany Him through the city gates with much fanfare and celebration.
Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
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No they ARE NOT the same event.
Exactly! The whole purpose of this video
2 Corinthians 11:3-15
King James Version
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
7 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself.
10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Here Paul is speaking to believers and so many of you put your trust in a sorcerer and you seem like preachers of righteousness that you do but you haven’t realised that you are actually being self righteous, due to bad doctrine and your end will be according to your works you reap what you sow and if you don’t know yet how to be restored maybe you can ask JD Farag as he has an idea how because if you don’t understand the difference you’ll be asking questions as hypocrites
Goodness me - you are a real charmer. Lol tut
@@MrsPin1954 they better off acknowledging their fall and restoring their sanctification
@@MrsPin1954 they are not going to call me Satan again nor antichrist either they call apply those tittles to themselves 1 Thessalonians 4 is clear about defrauding a brother
One is biblical the other contrived of man given by satan. One will have men armed and suited up for the days ahead and ready to endure the tribulation and able to shine their lights into the darkness. The other will have men (mat24;45-54) saying, "my lord has delayed his coming", and start smiting their fellow servants and.drinking with the drunkards stumbling in their own vomit. One will endure until the lords coming and the other will be the falling away of the faith that 2 thes 2 talks about.
The evil servants of mat 24 are pretribbers. Same with the foolish virgins of mat 25. They both think the lord comes early and because of this they are left out and separated with hypocrites. The same hypocrites who couldnt see the timimg of his first coming even though it was plainly written for all to see and understand. Just like his second coming. Those that could tell the sings of the weather and stuff but not the coming of their lord whom thy were waiting on. But they were waiting for another lord. One who would be their king on earth
Blind teachers, straining at gnats but swallowing camels. The second coming is the harvest of all Gods souls. Those dead and alive. Its also the winnowing where the tares are thrown to the winepress or the wrath of God, which Jesus tramples after gathering us. Matthew 13 explains this, and Revelation 14-15 shows this. And Matthew 24 has our lords own words telling us that after the tribulation of those days.........wake up and suit up. We are here and its going to be a rough ride. And unless we are prepared in him and abiding in him and suited up with truth and the whole armor we will not stand. The pretrib lie was given to us just so we would not be prepared. The devil will claim many christian souls because of this lie. .........WAKE UP OH SLEEPER.
GOD IS GOING TO SAVE THE CHURCH AND SPANK THE WORLD FOR 7YEARS TITUS 2:13 COLOSSIANS 3;4 HEBREWS 12 22 REVELATION 5:9 HABAKKUK 2;1-3 LUKE 21-34-36 JOHN 14 1-3 ENJOY GODS WORD
The both of you should try and study God's word a bit closer. The Rapture is a different event because only the believers will see the Lord. The second coming Christ said the whole world would see. Please consider people that are new in Christ and stop confusing them The infallible word of God speaks on its own. Very dangerous territory.
Well they are either the samething or else the rapture is made up and not biblical. But the second coming if you insist on separating them is biblical and is the harvest of the wheat to heaven and the tares to the winepress. I dont swe how pretribbers think the church is anything other than wheats or tares.????
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim no brother its not. The harvest is after the 7th trumpet...ie revelation 14.....that what your seeing is the marriage supper mixed in with his wrath being poured out. Not much difference but its just a vision of us in heaven just like at the 6th seal and in revelation 15. Jesus on a white horse is him coming with vengence. On a cloud is our harvest. Its all the day of the Lord and not much time separating .....
But the rapture/harvest/second coming are the samething....it happens after all the signs and events of the 7th trumpet. But what most dont see is the 6th seal and 7th trumpet happen together.....the 5th-7th trumpets happen during the 6th seal. Both ending in our rapture before the 7th seals silence and the the wrath of the 7 vials.
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim no brother they are not. His 10s of 1000s of saints are actually numbered.......12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. These are the very elect which he chooses in the 6th seal. You know, the 4 angels standing on the 4 corners holding back the wind that it blow not. The angels that come to hurt the earth but are stopped or bound by an angel with the seal of God in his hand. He tells the 4 angels not to hurt the earth till the144,000 are sealed. These are the same elect he has with him when he treads the winepress after the harvest.. And if you read the rest of the 6th seal, we are seen in heaven. We are those who came out of (the) great tribulation. But the same is seen in revelation 14 which is the same event as the 6th seal, the harvest, but this time we didnt worship the beast.....still its the great tribulation. The one daniel 12 and revelation 12 both show, when micheal and his angels (the restrainer) stands and cast down the dragon and his angels....or the war in heaven....or the 1/3 stars falling of the 4th trumpet leading to a full falling of the stars in the 6th seal......
Theres only on second coming, and we are harvested at this time.
Hebrews 9:28
King James Version
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation
Once again only.....not 2 more times....the 2nd time unto our salvation
2thes2 tells us that the day of the lord is his return and our being gathered unto him. And that that cant happen unt the falling away from the faith and the man of ...antichrist comes and places himself in the temple.
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim no the 5th seal shows those who were resurrected when jesus was. This is why they are under the sea of glass waiting on their crowns and are told to wait a short while. Till the number of us are killed like they were.
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim if you say so. That doesnt change the fact that the rapture and the harvest are the same event and that it doesnt happen until the last trumpet. The 7th trumpet of revelation. And that no man goes to heaven before the dead in christ rise first. It doesnt change anything but it gives us a mediator, Jesus our cheif preist, instead of the scribes and pharisees. He didnt change any laws or anything else. Just that faith in him is the only bridge to the father now. God does not change. The old testament saints had to believe the father and obey his words. That hasnt changed, Jesus is the fathers word come in flesh form to save us. The father and the son are one. If youve seen the father youve seen the son. He hasnt changed any of his plans, his plans have always been the same. Our redemption and salvation. His timing has never changed. Its always been the harvest after the 7th trumpet. All saints tell us this.
@Yahweh.Is.elohe.of.elohim brother.....when john says blessed is him who hath part in the 1st resurrection, on such the 2nd death has no power.....he was talking of this resurrection coming up. Not when Jesus was crucified and rose bringing saints with him. Thats not what he was referring to. He was referring to the 7th trumpet resurrection.....then the 1000 years the judgement or secomd death. We who have a part in this post trib rapture will not be judged in the judgememt.
Unfortunately many who are left behind, especially cults like Jehovah's Witnesses, conflate these two events and will walk into the arms of the Beast without hesitation.
One coming of our Lord and Savior Heb 9 v 28 )Heb 12 v 26,27) I think people dont know GOD at all John 10 v 30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.THERE WILL BE NO SECRET RAPTURE ,THE WHOLE EARTH IS GOING TO BE TOTALLY DESTRUCTED.Rev 6 v 12,13) and 14.Matt 24 v 29,30 ) No contrast the people of GOD spoke out of their own pointerview.INPOSSIBLE FOR OUR LORD AND SAVIOR NOT BEEN SEEN.OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE.AMEN.
No, Hester.
@@carolcole570 can you explain your no?
@@HesterOdendaal-z4c You are a person who wants to argue, Hester. I prefer not to argue. The only things I will say will be…….the rapture must take place before The Tribulation in order for the a.c. to be ABLE to come on the scene. The removal of the majority of the Holy Spirit will allow this. Then, when the treaty is signed, The Tribulation will begin. Seven years later, Jesus and all believers will come to earth. Then, the 1000 year reign will begin. Now, don’t get your bowels in an uproar and start licking your chops because you have new prey to attack, because I will not participate.
What?!!
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 refers to two different comings. One of them, Paul was looking for (1 Thes 1:10, Philippians 3:20, 4:5, Titus 2:13), but the other coming (the day of the Lord), Paul wasn't looking for (THAT DAY shall not come except... (the other coming happen first and the ac is revealed)).
John 6:39, 40, 44, 54. Yeshua will raise the dead on the last day. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the rapture happens after the tribulation on the last day the resurrection the day of the lord. Mathew 24:29-31 after the tribulation the elect gathered. Romans 11:7 1 Peter 1:1. The elect is those that believe in Yeshua. Leviticus 25:23 the land belongs to Yeshua Ezekiel 47:21-23 Israel is made up of foreigner's as well as those born into Israel. Israel is Yeshua there is only one body of Christ. Pretribulation rapture came from John Darby and Schofield and is not biblical at all.😮
It was taught by Iraneaus in book 5 chapter 5 of his writings Against Herasies. He was taught by Polycarp, who was student of Apostle John. Also by Eusebius and Ephraim. Also in the 1400 or 1600s before Darby.
@markyow5720 no actually that's been proven wrong by FAI on UA-cam all he did was actually read the manuscript in context and no Iraneaus actually taught against pretribulation rapture, so wrong try again
@markyow5720 don't you mean sudo-Ephraim, also debunked it's not even Ephraims writings. And Eusebius has also been debunked once again taking his writing out of context. Pretribulation rapture is nothing more than a grift and false hope for the low in IQ
@markyow5720 ua-cam.com/video/HvwhS2RYciY/v-deo.htmlsi=QjDcsDH66Wn3YURh
No it was not
@markyow5720 ua-cam.com/video/HvwhS2RYciY/v-deo.htmlsi=QjDcsDH66Wn3YURh
No
Why do you all miss in 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 the word coming? You will hang on with dear life to the "rapture" verse there, but you completely and absolutely miss the word "coming." This passage in 1 Thessalonians is speaking about the 2nd coming, and yet you will gloss over it without a second thought because you want to believe in the pre-tribulation rapture so much that you can not see what it says in context at all.
Okay send them your documented proof for your case! and let’s see if Todd and Jeff respond!
@@stevencohn922 Yeah, I just did in the comment.
@@jerryleecolbert if you are so passionate about your interpretation you should open a church that focuses on your specific eschatology and end times interpretation and promote your church and ministry! You’ll get followers!
@@stevencohn922 As the case may be, I have a UA-cam channel where my ministry is at. The Lord has not directed me yet to start a church, so I will follow what the Lord has set out for me.
2 Thes 2:1-8 Paul puts the falling away or Departure (rapture) before Israel's 70th week begins. This Departure is what is restraining the ac from being revealed. I call it the "pretrib rapture Checkmate verse" because no one (so far) has offered a successful rebuttal. Verse 6) and now you know...
When will you brothers ever study what JESUS taught. I mean HE IS the one that's COMING back, isn't he???? Then you have the NERVE to TWIST and ADD TO his own words. Jn14:1-3 If I go, I will COME AGAIN and receive YOU unto myself. Where does Jesus say he will COME TWICE and receive MORE people unto himself later on??? Now read Mt13:30/ Jn5:28-29/ Lu17:26-30. Will you ADD TO and CHANGE Gods word in these scriptures also, and ADD your so-called 7-YEAR tribulation when JESUS DID NOT???
What??
Okay send in your documentation for your case and see if they respond!
Amen. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They claim the tribulation is Gods wrath eventhough it says the 7 vials are Gods wrath. And escape they twist to mean rapture. I tell ya, i escaped a fire with my life and i never once considered it a rapture. Are escape artist rapture artist? I dont see why the last trump in their eyes would be a mans trumpet? It cant be anything other than the 7th trumpet. Its only sensible. What other trumpet would be considered the last trumpet?
A verse in Matthew 24 should make most turn away from the pretrib lie, besides Jesus himself saying that its after the tribulation....mat 24:45-54 and 25:1-8.........these describe the 2 groups of christians we have now. It can be summed up pretrib or post trib. One endures and keeps giving hard truths to the last minute. The other, by the time the lord comes, has said in his heart that the lord has delayed his coming. One has oil for the last hour, the other didnt think the lord would tarry.
It will be a salvation issue. The foolish virgins were locked out and the evil servants separated. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
@@carolynnorris2861 STUDY those scriptures and see if you can find a pre-trib rapture in Jesus's teachings?
@@stevencohn922 ALMOST NO pre-trib teacher will answer hard questions when backed into their pre-trib corner.