This is SUCH a well-constructed video! I'd thought everyone but me had forgotten about Pocket Camp once New Horizon was released, but I'm glad to see it getting some good attention now! Keep up the great work, man!
Yeah! I found that a lot of the discussion about Pocket Camp was mostly from people reacting/complaining about the Twitter posts to show off that month's items, rather than from people who actually play it. The lack of much positive coverage for the game is mostly what led to to make the video honestly!
@@Tampafan33 The game makes it easy enough to go about ignoring them if you play actively. As I said in the video I think a lot of people's negativity for them stems from a knee-jerk reaction, moreso than actual experience. Doesn't mean people aren't allowed to dislike them, I've had a few nice discussions in the comment section with people who have just agreed to disagree on this, which is more than fine! If they want to not engage with a business practice they disagree with, and choose to do that by abstaining from certain games, then more power to them!
I think my favorite part of pocket camp is that you don't *have* to pay, and there's always tons to do, it feels so much more rewarding to finish my dailies throughout the day on pocket camp than to get on new horizons and do those dailies
Oh yeah! I didn't touch on it in the video, but I like how on certain dailies that require you to catch bugs and fish, that you're rewarded with honey and throw nets respectively! I always thought that was a pretty neat idea for a reward, since it makes the thing you'd just been doing easier! Little things like that are in a few places throughout the game, and I think they add up!
Yeah it does feel more rewarding and fun! That's why I played more Pocket Camp than New Horizons even when the game was new. I am going to pay for some microtramsactions eventually but at least you get more out of it when you do pay.
I played 800 hours of ACNH, so I definitely got my money's worth, but I was still disappointed by the lack of features even after the last big update. I liked the amount of furniture in ACPC, and the fact that even clothes were craftable. I wish they would at least let us get specific items if we have a villager's Amiibo card! It almost feels like ACPC is given more love at times, but sadly my mobile device isn't compatible anymore, so I can't even play it. 😔
It's unfortunate that they had to stop supporting some older devices, I assume the game ended up getting to heavy to run of some of them? It does certainly feel like PC got more love though, I agree! Especially when you look at how much less it earned compared to NH, it does seem strange that it got more of the focus! My guess is that it's either easier and cheaper to develop for, or they know it'll keep generating them income.
I played pocket camp in 2018&2019. I liked it fairly well and honestly I liked it enough to give ACNH a chance, with over 600 hours. I do wish I could have an RV in NHs. 😢Mine was so cute
I'd like to see RV's show up in the next Animal Crossing game, really liked how you could customise them and how you could randomly see other people's too!
I played pocket camp in 2017/2018 & i loved it! I was obsessed with it. I was spending real money to get leaf tickets, played it multiple times a day. But once they added so much & my lifestyle changed, i just couldn’t keep up. I would love to play it now, but every time i log in I’m bombarded with notifs & i just force quit lol
I also came back to the game after stopping playing it in 2018 and it was definitely overwhelming... The first two days I just focused on the animal quests and completing the daily tasks. After that, I started exploring the new things they added, one by one. And now I am once again in love with this game!
My main issue w/ Pocket Camp is that it’s transactional & freemian game. I’ve known children who’ve spent hundreds of dollars which parents haven’t been happy with.
Yeah, that's less an issue with Pocket Camp and more an issue with how Google and Apple police their app stores. Still unfortunate, but I don't hold it much against Nintendo.
That’s not true that’s on the developers making their games centered around spending money. Apple with post your app with or without excessive transactions
It's a fun game, but I just can't with the grind vs. payout. They simply don't give you enough Leaf Tickets. To put it in perspective, one random draw at a fortune cookie is 50 tickets and usually the special crafting items are around 100 tickets. Tickets are 20 for a dollar, which means you have to spend $3 just for one random try. Even the helper plan only gives you 60 tickets a month. Paying regular money but only getting one sure try. I had to grind for months just to get some of one event, and even though I got what I wanted it doesn't feel satisfying to then have to plan on grinding for months again in case an event comes that I want.
That's fair, while they've certainly gotten better at monetisation they certainly could always do a little better! Honestly, just changing the amount of leaf tickets they give you from 3 to 5 would be an appreciated change.
I love pocket camp! I feel like it's slept on. I like that you don't miss out on anything if you don't pay for it. Using actual money just speeds things along. Tbh I feel like the free slower way is more in the spirit of animal crossing. I also agree that I would rather have micro transactions than ads all the time. I feel like the game isn't begging you for money all the time like some other mobile games.
I agree! I forgot to mention it in the video but my least favourite thing about the paid plans was the massive reduction in craft times! Weird as it sounds, being able to funnel my resources into whatever I wanted and get it immediately just didn't sit right with me. Still, I think free or otherwise the game captures the spirit pretty well!
This game takes all my money (I willingly give it) but i play religiously everyday. I had started playing when it launched but left it alone for three years then picked it back up a couple years ago when ACNH came out. It’s so worth it because there are three different events every month (gardening,fishing and scavenging) where you can collect different furniture sets, outfits etc. and every single month has a different theme. I think it’s so worth it. If you’ve been an animal crossing fan since childhood (like me) and love all the games, this game is literally perfect because you’ve always got your camp in your pocket wherever you go!!
honestly its wayy to much fomo me cause i wanna have every furniture, outfit etc 😭 Id would stress me out ngl and im already spending money on genshin, i cannot start with acpc aswell.
I feel that, Genshin has me in its grasp too! Luckily, Pocket Camp hasn't suckered me into paying too much just yet, but I get your hesitation if you're a completionist!
As someone who played it almost everyday(until an update around late 2020 that made Pocket camp not compatible anymore to me and other majority of android users. And even more worser for my case due to not having an nintendo account at the time which resulted me losing my Pc account). It was an pretty fun game. And i have good o'l fond memories of mine spending time with it. Im even have screenshots around it back then, and even some gameplay videos. Its great to see that the game is still going out strong! Even if so many players had to drop out due to an update like i mentioned before. This game will always have an special place in my heart. Also, good job on the video! It was pretty well done and even brought out some stuff i hadn't thought out before. Keep up doing great as always!
Oof, I never got why linking a Nintendo Account was optional, it night be a bit of a hassle to set up, but it'd ensure everyone's data was saved and compatability issues don't erase saves like happened to yourself! Happy to hear you enjoyed Pocket Camp back when, and the video though!
You can decorate a cabin with 3 STORIES, a camper van with two and a pretty big sized campsite. There are THOUSANDS of event items that you can get for free and use, way more options than New Horizons. Fortune cookies you can still get for free sometimes by luck and getting them in a rotation at timmy and tommys cart OR if a friend gifts you a fortune cookie gift! You can 100% have fun with Pocket Camp without spending any money AND STILL GET LOTS OF ITEMS! The events do get repetitive, but there is always a reason to log in and check in on it every day at least. So yeah idk why it gets hated on so much when yes it does have microtransactions and some things cost money but also you can still stack up leaf tickets for free if u play a lot and have patience. And there are still so many free items to decorate with like. The customization options in this game is insane compared to New Horizons
I can get why people are salty that NH didn't get a few items from PC, and honestly that's a gripe I can understand! At the same time, it's made by a separate dev team in an art style different to New Horizons, so I can understand why stuff like that wasn't moved over too.
Pocket camp was my first game, since I didn't have much money (because I was a child who couldn't get a job), but in December 2020 I got a switch lite for christmas (it was my gift to myself) and I got acnh I wouldn't have ever known about animal crossing at all if it wasn't for pocket camp, so its really amazing.
I've had pocket camp for a year and I've never spent a dollar, im level 179 and have about 380 leaf tickets so I also never understood why everyone thought it was a cash grab
The main argument I heard was that the cookies cost too much compared to what you'd earn F2P, and that the drop rate of 5 dtar items was super low. That said, I think as long as you don't want to buy a cookie very often, it's a decent enough system!
Tamashii the Oreo That's usually what I do too! Honestly, if the bell cookies gave out stamps I think it'd probably make the whole system just that little bit more palletable!
I completely ignore the cookies until I am gifted one or they sell by bells. I don't like the gatcha mechanics. I really love the game anyway, I never felt FOMO for the cookies, I made peace with not having every single cute item I saw.
I’ve been playing since launch, and while I don’t play daily (stardew and sims got those time slots) I’ve always loved this game in the AC line the most because I’ve always had something to go back to. I like having little daily quests and being able to call up people I’ve met but don’t live at my camp to stop by my camp and see what I’ve built, or to stop by an island so I can build up their friendship. I like how I can even go so far as to edit the skyline of my camp, which I can’t do on ACNH or any other games if Im remembering correctly. The group working on this title seem to care just as much as their players, and I love that
My thoughts exactly! I like to think with all we've had over the years, that the devs really so care a lot about the game! Honestly, the fact they take community feedback onboard occasionally is a massive upside for me.
Very rarely comment but this video deserves it. I've played this game pretty much every day from a couple of months after launch, I have maxed out bells, have over 1.3k leaf tickets and can pretty much make anything I want at any time, but despite having unlimited pretty much everything, this game never lost its charm, I've never debated stopping playing it. I would pay any amount of money for New Horizons to even have half the amount of furniture and clothing this game has. It seems so strange to me that a free to play spin off mobile game has leagues more furniture and clothing than a paid main line game!
And they have all that with a fraction of the budget and dev staff, too! I know it's common for mobile games, but Pocket Camp is pretty damn impressive when you look at all the stuff they've added! I 100% agree with you, I'd love for Nintendo to move over some of the furniture and ideas from Pocket Camp for the next game, because its criminal some of those sets are locked to just one game!
I would pay so much to get clothes and items from pocket camp in new horizons. I don't know why Nintendo just doesn't do it, it wouldn't be hard to upscale the models they have and add a bit of new texture Not only that but we'd have a way to preserve the phone game items if they were in new horizons, like how Mario kart 8 can preserve the Mario phone game maps
@@benamisai-kham5892 Absolutely! As a game that requires online, at some point Pocket Camp will presumably shut down, so I think some sort of archive of all the items in the game would be great!
@@memorian8472 tbh I dont spend many, barely ever, I hoarde them lol I dont get many of the leaf ticket special items, if any, if there's something I like I'll get it but I won't buy all of em :)
I started Pocket Camp the exact hour it released, I was very excited to have another Animal Crossing game and one on mobile had this neat novelty to it. I played it a ton alongside New Leaf at the time, but unfortunately I couldnt play it after awhile due to system requirements and my account got deleted, so when I redownloaded it after getting a better device and seeing my character was gone, I got sad but still replayed and seen all these new things and been enjoying the streamlining, atleast the Newleaf town I played along with it is still around! I still play it now along with New Horizons, its a nice lil bit for lunchbreaks or just a quick get on and off
i got hugely into pocket camp in 2019 and then it became a quarantine game for me 2020 and 2021. i played it... every day, for over 2 years. something was hypnotizingly satisfying about flower event, fishing event, gyroidite, flowers, fish, gyroidite, flowers, fish, gyroidite... the neverending cycle lol. i literally spent 0 dollars on it and i had a great time with the friggin TRIMONTHLY new furniture sets. so much free content and i never spent a single real dollar.
I've seen comments like this a few times, and I'd have to agree! The sheer amount of free furniture and how easy it is to acquire a good chunk of it is really nice to see for a mobile game. Honestly, I think that is in part why so many people still do choose to play!
I loved Pocket Camp. It was so cute. Then all my progress was suddenly deleted from the world and I was never able to get it back even though it was synced with my Nintendo ID. I love Nintendo.
I really enjoyed playing Pocket Camp when it first launched, I no joke literally played it daily for years participating in events, Finding my favorite villagers and adding them to my camp site, Catching rare bugs, fish, fruit and charging a lot of bells for them just to upgrade my RV and much more. Until I believe two years ago when the app told me to download an update. So it took me to the play store and I wasn't able to download it I got confused by it because it ran perfectly fine. So I looked it up and they had added an AR mode and some people in the comments of that video had the same problem that I had.
While I can understand ending support for older devices, I really think discontinuing it for a feature some people won't even use is a bit misguided. They could've easily made it disabled for those older devices, honestly a pretty bad business move all things considered.
@@Neremik2 I agree and what bugs me the most is that the AR feature for Pokémon Go works and doesn't lag at all on my phone and at least the game does have that AR feature for devices that can't handle it .
Pocket Camp was my first animal crossing, since my parents refused to get me any consoles! I have endless nostalgia for this game, thanks for covering it
oh?? It's the first time that I see the dialogues in English, I feel that in Spanish the names that the characters give you are funnier and more adorable 🤧🤧 I also end up becoming attached to a character and it's hard for me to get them out or i feel evil to have him abandoned in my cabin lmao
Ah, I didn't realise the dialogue changed much between languages, I figured it was all roughly translated to be the same! I'll go have a read into it later, as the English dialogue is probably one of the weaker aspects for me!
ah yes the “poor man’s” AC for us who could not afford a 3ds yet alone acnl back then. Enjoyed it for quite a long before pandemic in 2019 ish. Still remember when they held a cross event with the release of acnh. went nuts and ofc pulling myself to get a hold on switch and acnh. Good times and quite a spin on the lovely franchise if you have the time and 💰 (f2p sure but a lot of ppl spent hundred bills for tickets and furnitures). I remembered last time I have the tom nook island paradise tour as well and timmy and tommy holding the acnh release flag 🥰
Oh, the ACNH crossover event was EASILY the most excited I've been for an event! Honestly, I kind of wish we get more Nintendo themed events at some point, like the one they had for Splatoon 2, a they're always a treat!
I found this WHILE playing pocket camp! I played it 4 years ago and then just fell out, but started playing again this year and its amazing! I love this game, and this video was awesome!! Deserves so much attention, the scripting, music, b-roll all flowed together smoothly!!
Glad to hear you liked the b-roll footage! Compared to the other videos I've made, this one easily was the hardest to sync the b-roll for. Glad to see that all that effort paid off though!
I was wondering why my time with City Folk and New Leaf felt more fulfilling (and I've probably spent about the same time between those two and New Horizons). And I think you nailed it with the structuring and how the player is rewarded. There's a good reason I've never completed the art section of the museum vs bugs and fish (that give tools and a dedicated menu to watch fill up). Or why Gulliver was too much of a pain to commit to in NH. The Nook Miles rewards could be considered a continuation of the house loan, the town fund, etc, but idk. The reward of more NMTs and completion doesn't feel as strong as seeing new features added to your town or that flag by your house. I hope the next game can bring a little more structure to the grinding back
I'd like to hope so too! I've heard New Horizons described as a "designers paradise" in a few places, and I honestly think that's pretty accurate to what we got. That said, I'd like to think now they've got the more design orientated features out of the way in NH, that perhaps the next game might be a bit more balanced!
I have always loved AC (literally obsessed with ACNH I have over 3,000 hours in that game lol) and I literally JUST started playing AC Pocket Camp. Like, this *week* just started playing! Nobody told me! It’s sooooo much better than I ever could have imagined for a mobile game!!! I had no idea what I was missing out on this whole time!!! 🤯
A lot of the discussion about Pocket Camp is always super negative, and that's if there even is some! Which is a shame because it's way better than people give it credit for and deserves some real attention! Hope you enjoy your tike with Pocket Camp, here's to your next 3000 hours!
soo glad i stumbled across this video!! ive felt frustrated in the past seeing how big animal crossing youtubers specifically disregard pocket camp because of the money aspect... as someone who has both had periods where i pay real money and those where i dont, i find you can still do SOOOO much without using real money !! i think its a shame most ppl ignore the game because of that aspect... it can be really fun and wholesome!
it's a shame to see that happen, more so when people bundle it in with Amiibo Festival as something you should skip! it's a solid game, and it's a shame that a lot of the major voices you'll hear online just parrot the same points over and over again!
ACPC is my by far favorite mobile game EVER. I played it shortly after the release for a brief moment and also dismissed it at first. After a long time, I also have ACNH, I came back to the game to try it once more cause ACNH was kinda done. But I wanted to keep playing Animal Crossing. So I tried it again. And holy cow am I addicted. I basically have the game open all day, checking on events and villagers any second I have free time. I LOVE to decorate all the different locations and still would like more space to use all the awesome funiture I collected over the time. I'm really glad you also mentioned the leaf tickets. I rarely buy any myself, cause there are just so many ways to get them in-game for free. If you save up on them to buy something you really want, it's actually quite satisfying to achieve that. And even if you decide to buy some, they're not very expensive. I've also used the subscriptions quite a few times for a limited time period if I needed a little extra help with events and such. Over all, I'd say ACPC is the fairest and cheapest options to enjoy Animal Crossing and never running out of stuff to do. I highly respect the ACPC team to do such a great job on this game!
You practically took the words out of my mouth! I think when people give PC the chance, they find its a lot better than they're led to believe! And as it stands, around now is the perfect time now that NH isn't being updated anymore!
oh my gosh, this was such a wonderful video!! Super made and coherent! Also, I'm one of those people that downloaded and forgot about pocket camp--it's been on my phone since 2018 lol but now i'm gonna give it a second shot! ACNH just doesn't scratch that animal crossing itch at all.
Glad to hear it! I think Pocket Camp is a really good way to scratch an Animal Crossing itch without having to invest a whole lot of time! Hopefully you'll enjoy it!
I was obsessed with this game when it came out. I would set alarms on my phone for every 3 hours so I would never miss a chance to collect my rewards. I also purposely bought an iPhone 8 Plus which is WAY too big for my small hands just so I could have a bigger screen to play pocket camp on.
"Pocket Camp" is like a sticker album that you will NEVER complete. The stickers (decorations, clothes, furniture, etc.) have only an aesthetic purpose that does not influence the game. Unlike the relaxation of the console versions, in Pocket Camp there are countdowns (events) that force you to enter daily if you want to get those stickers, but in the same way you will never be able to complete your album, not even paying with real money since these countdowns are renewed: in some you have to touch the screen here and in others touch the screen there, without much effort but rushing to enter daily. There are other alternatives with more relaxation, immersion and magic that Pocket Camp does not have, and cheaper, even Wild World or New Leaf is more profitable.
I can get that, there's probably a lot of people who have no tolerance for FOMO tactics used who don't wish to play and that's fine! I don't think Pocket Camp could replace a main entry in the franchise, but I personally think that so long ad you play it casually and don't fret over each item, it's a pretty fun thing to play on the side!
@@Neremik2 Totally agree with you and the way you put it. I also tried to take the "game" easy, relaxed, unhurried and not trying to get all the stickers: unfortunately I didn't. While I appreciate that it doesn't have the hype of conventional advertising, I felt like there's not enough reward for tapping the screen here and there - no strategy, skill, etc. What it does offer is that one can find a sense of completeness: but then again, the app doesn't allow you to achieve that. It is a constant reminder that you must get all this and all that, which is renewed again and again in different but similar forms at the same time. It is well optimized, it has no errors, it is well localized to other languages, but it fails in what it offers even though thousands of people don't even notice it. It's just my experience after a long back and forth.
i love pocket camp so muchhh, and honestly you don't need to use your money for leaf tickets, there are soooo many ways for you to get leaf tickets for free
I just started the video but I’m kind of shocked to hear that you think new leaf put animal crossing on the map 😭 no doubt it was one of the most popular of the series but I’ve never heard anyone describe it that way lol
Looking at it, I should've probably added a line to say it was fairly popular before NL. It probably would've been better to say it saw a decent spike after it released, given Wild World sold like hotcakes back when.
I hate the grind but i love the items. They’re gorgeous. I went on vacation and was unable to play for some time. I an finding it hard to jump back in despite being in love with the current items 🥺
I’ve been playing ACPC on and off for over 4 years, because I love the art and characters of the games but have never owned a games console and don’t think it would be worth it for me to get one. It’s nice to able to join in the Animal Crossing community with just a phone!
I agree! I think having franchises have a game available on mobile is a smart move! As you said, not everyone has the means/want to buy a home console, especially in the case of Nintendo where all their games are exclusive to their own systems!
Honestly this video got me back into the game after continuously deleting it following the tutorial for years, and it really is nice! The hate is sooo undeserved
Cool to hear you picked it back up! I know a fair few people in the comments have done the exact same, and they've all generally enjoyed it more than they expected too!
The thing with Pocket Camp (and similar mobile titles like it) is that a lot of people never really seem to think through what might happen if the devs ever decided to pull the plug and shut down their servers for good. You would instantly lose all the things you worked so hard on and maybe even spend a lot of money on. Woosh, it'll just be gone. Regarding its success over the past years, I'm sure Pocket Camp will stick around for a long while to come (after all, its monetization model seems quite fruitful), but some day it'll be gone and I would hate the feeling to have invested so much time and money into a thing without having anything to show for it one day. At least with the console versions (Gamecube, Wii, DS & Switch!), I can always come back to them even years after release without the fear of losing anything. Even if they might have stopped support for their online features.
I always assumed that they'd announce end of support a ways in advance and probably stop purchases a few months in advance. It'd be nice if they made an offline version, but I guess that's just wishful thinking! Having seen a few other apps get the same treatment, I wouldn't be too surprised if the community took it upon themselves to make their own revival project although I assume that'd require people to start over for.
This is a really well-made video! I've never understood the hate for Pocket Camp tbh. I've been playing fairly consistently since the day it released (aside from a few months when that one update made a TON of phones no longer compatible with the app, including my old one rip) and I still really enjoy it. I even have a few people in my friends list that I added in like 2019 who are still active as well! Having the different themes for the events every month is really fun and all the seasonal items encourage you to redecorate the various spaces from time to time. It's overall a nice little pass-time. Totally missed out on that stargazing event though lol One thing I actually appreciate about Leaf Tickets is being able to earn them in game fairly often. Sure it's not a lot at a time usually, but I'm so used to other mobile games with a Leaf-Ticket-equivalent type currency being like a "Here's 30 for starting the game and the only way to ever get more is to spend real money." Same with how occasionally you'll have one of the special fortune cookies in that little shop for bells instead of leaf tickets.
Same here! I picked it up during the time it was exclusive to Australia and have been playing on and off ever since! I can kind of understand a few of the complaints the game gets, but it's nowhere near as bad as most people make it out to be! As far as Leaf Tickets go, as you said I appreciate the fact that not every cookie will appeal to everyone which means you've got some time to save on up, plus with the added chance to get them for free from Gulliver and the shop too!
Glad to hear you liked it! I really wanted to use that clip in the video, but it was a real pain to figure out how! Happy to see the effort went appreciated, even if it was for only half a second of footage!
Pocket camp was my first look into animal crossing and I loved it. I still play it daily. Though the fact it has membership kinda scares me. I had a bad history with past games having that feature and giving non members basically the scraps the members didn't want. So far it seams like its fair since it only gives members a boost, not blocking a feature or islands behind a pay wall.
i've played pocket camp on and off for the last threeish years, and i recently got really into it again! (according to the app, i've had an account for over 1000 days. i think i had a different account before that which i lost, though.) i've never had the chance to play another animal crossing game, but i've always really enjoyed pocket camp. it's an *exceptionally good* mobile game. like maybe it's mediocre when compared to animal crossing games, but it's *great* when compared to all the... other... mobile games out there. i really appreciate all the work the devs are putting into it - every time i come back to the game it has more features, more events, etc.! last night i finally decided to do a free trial of the happy helper plan (not even for the helper, just the lower crafting times) and i would 100% give them my money when the trial runs out. (if my adhd hasn't decided to stop being interested in the game by then.) this was a great video! it highlighted all the great things about this game, and i am immediately going to send it to my friends who think pocket camp isn't a good animal crossing game. thank you (:
I think just being a *good* mobile game with reasonable monetisation can go a much longer way than a lot of people realise! Super glad to hear you enjoyed the video and PC so much! Thanks for the support!
I've been playing it on and off for 3 years and it serveeessss. All the designs are amazing and so well thought out. There is smth in it for anybody who's interested. You do have to grind if you want to get certain pieces of furniture or fashions tho... The only thing I wish it had was hourly music, it would make it that much better!!
As much as I like the evening tracks in NH, I'd ditch them in a heartbeat for some real hourly music! At this point it'd honestly just be icing on the cake!
I've spent so much real money on this game i really regret doing lol, but fr unless you cant resist buying every new item that comes in store you should be fine playing to earn tickets, the only thing i wish the game had is more content rather than the 3 same activities every single event, if the game got new stuff, it would worth buying stuff with real money to support it.
Yeah! While I appreciate the events we have now, I'd love for us to get a few more for the sake of variety! Even if it was just 3 more, it'd be a much appreciated month break from doing the same challenges!
My only reason for being able to dislike pocket camp is that New Horizons is a bare bones game that won’t get update because they can’t monetize it like Pocket camp.
Pocket Camp is made by a subsidiary of Nintendo, whereas New Horizons was made by one of their main development teams. I don't think PC killed NH, I just think the NH team ran out of steam, time or money! Personally never held it against PC for outlasting NH since its its own thing!
Dude, you must put a lot of time into your videos. This is the first video of yours that I’ve watched and I seriously don’t understand how you don’t have a lot more subscribers, but you’ve certainly got a new one now :)
Yes finally someone gets it too !! I have also been playing ever since launch. I'm so tired of people complaining about Pocket Camp when they don't actually understand how to play it. I have indeed seen mobile gotcha games that were way worse like $100 USD per spin worse. Pocket Camp is not one of those games. I love the feeling of going through my day and then being able pick the game right back up as if nothing happened. Very well explained. Thank you! I hope this goes around the ACNH community in positivity.
@@loumona76 Hey there. When I had posted my comment, I was having a beyond extremely stressful day so I do apologize if it came across as an attack. To be honest I was really angry of a specific UA-camr which directly called it a Gotcha Game in which Pocket Camp is not. There is so much more to the game in which they didn't see. This why I used the word "people" instead of "everyone". No I wasn't "spitting on other player's faces because they can't enjoy the game like I do". I was in that state of "protect anything Animal Crossing at all cost" mood because of my stress and I couldn't see past that. For that I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. I will offer my help if you would like. The game is truly a load of fun and I hope you will enjoy it.
Great video! My sister has the switch and ACNH and I have ACPC on my ipad, we've been playing for years, and I so wanted a Switch just to have NH, imagining all the decorating I could do on all that space, but then they announced the final update and I was shocked. Because I was expecting it go go on for years and that they'd do some events like pocket camp and we'd get better rand better items... But I realised that my pocket camp has way nicer items and outfits than her game will ever have. So sad. NH just doesn't have the draw anymore, I'm no longer interested to get the switch because of the missed potential of that game.
I think a lot of people feel the same unfortunately, although I'd be surprised if the wait for another Animal Crossing would be as long as it was for New Horizons. Here's to hoping the next entry lives up to expectations!
The only reason I stopped playing was because the updates rendered my phone unable to play it. But I also had a slight problem with buying leaf tickets to get all the fortune cookie goodies.
The cookie system is usually okay so long as you aren't looking to buy too many sets because then you've got down periods in between to save! The issue is that Nintendo recently started having 5+ cookies available at any one time, which drastically reduces the time between sets you'd want and puts more of a squeeze to spend money. It's probably one of the few gripes I've had with the game, given it makes being F2P a real struggle when there's multiple sets you want currently out.
my schedule ran around this game for about 2.5 years. like i was dedicated to logging in every 3 hours and even now when i check the time and if its 2,5,8,11 o clock am or pm, i very slightly panic. i only stopped playing due to extreme burnout, and the dedicated device i used for it dying (i used third party DL so i had to redownload the game every month and it took a toll on the device) this is all to say, though the ending for me is unpleasant, i thoroughly enjoyed every moment of playing it. i bought my switch lite and acnh this year bc i finally could afford it but i owe my thanks to acpc for being my driving force through the pandemic and my intro to the franchise
this video makes me so happy 🤗 i'd always wanted to play animal crossing cause It looked so cute but console games are ridiculously expensive in my country so when acpc was released i immediately downloaded and got hooked from day one! never realized how much It changed and upgraded over time 😯 sometimes i go a month or two without playing but i always come back for an event or a cute limited time item. i always wondered why console players hated It so much and even though i haven't played any other version, i think you're right that most would like It If they grave it a chance! true that leaf tickets are a little difficult to get and i could only ever sign up for happy helper plan for a few months at a time (furniture plan is also rly expensive here 😭) but overral you can still enjoy the game plenty without those! it's so much fun and relaxing and you never run out of stuff tô do, It helped me manage my anxiety, it got me off art block, i just love It A Lot 🥹 thank you for this wonderful vídeo!!
No problem! I never thought of it like that, but I think it's pretty cool that the franchise has a free game available! It lets people like yourself still get to experience the franchise if you don't have the consoles or games for the paid games, and I think that's real neat!
I absolutely agree with you! I've already restarted 3 accounts in this game since 2018. There is a lot of stuff such as clothes, furniture in different and interesting styles, just look at new update from February 2023: Fishing event, collecting brezel to gain cookies and more things. It made an enormous step from starting, the first version and today's are very different.
The core elements from that first version are still there, but I like to think almost everything they've added since has been a real improvement and in line with how the game is as a whole!
Imo it kinda looses the spirit of being your little space to relax and do as you please. Obviously to each their own but this game is designed to fill you with FOMO and I'm not fond of how much it relies on that. That being said, i do understand the appeal but yeah, it's designed to do that, so that as many as possible players spend money there, and i find it sad that that's the only reason they'll update it so much and bring such pretty furniture and events
I kind of see your point, by having every place be identical it can somewhat limit your creativity and I can see why that would turn some people away, and while a little FOMO is never too bad I do agree that at times they do certainly go a bit too hard on it. Still, thanks for dropping by and sharing your own thoughts!
i've been playing acpc on and off for over 3 years now, and i haven't spent a single cent of real-life money on it (i tend to be very conservative with my leaf ticket spending haha). i totally agree that it's not as pay-to-win as people make it seem, and although it can feel a bit shallow sometimes, i really enjoy it! :D by the way, i noticed that you don't have a ton of bells (no offense!!) so here are some tips for you and anyone in the comments: - when a villager asks for fruit, give them a perfect fruit or one of the fruits that doesn't grow in your campsite (grapes, lemons, or lychee) and you'll get a much better reward! the same goes for flowers, some flowers yield higher rewards! - speaking of fruits that only grow in certain campsites, NEVER sell your home fruit directly! i always sell them in market box, so that i can make money off it and my friends can too! - during gyroidite events, whichever location you leave your character in will have more gyroidites than usual when you log back on. because of this, it's generally not a good idea for the last place you visit to be your own main campsite or cabin, because gyroidites don't spawn there. also, don't forget to check ok motors and the marketplace! - connect your my nintendo account to get free in-game stuff, including leaf tickets! - play happy homeroom every day! even if you've earned all three medals from a level, playing will still earn you bells! also, some levels will earn you more bells than others, so try to find the best ones! - if you have too many crafting materials (there's a cap, i believe it's 999) it's usually better to sell them in market box since they are often in high demand with newer players and you can make more money that way! - there's no rush to pay off your loan, especially the last one since there aren't any rewards for it iirc! - friend request everyone you see! you can get friend powder and other rewards from helping people, especially during gardening events, and you can get them to help you enter the quarry! - be wary when doing blathers's map quest things, since for many the rewards don't warrant the cost of rolls! - you can sell the seasonal items you get from completing monthly missions, as well as any leftover gyroidites you might have at the end of an event! - if playing starts feeling like a chore, just take a break for a few days (or weeks!) and return when you're ready. it's a game, the whole point is to have fun! if it's causing you more stress than happiness, it's not worth your time. this was great video by the way! you deserve more subscribers!
Thanks for the tips, I certainly didn't know a few of them, so I'll bear them in mind! I did have a few million bells a few months back, but a few weeka before I got my footage together, I spent close to everything on my Leaf Ticket maps so I could get some of the Pizzeria cookies before it went away! That said I've still got plenty more to roll on, so I'll make sure to put some of these into action so I can clear through them whenever I need to too!
Listen, ACPC was my first game. I never knew about the others and I loved it. I still love it. I don't understand why or how people hate it, it's nice being able to make a lil campsite, invite a ton of villagers, and ohmygod the fortune cookies, i LOVE them. it's also free which is really nice when you don't have the money to buy a ds or a switch or the games themselves. ACPC is great in my opinion
It's unlikely, but I really hope the next a Animal Crossing game gets a few of the fortune cookie sets because some of them are SO good! It's a shame more people don't take a chance on Pocket Camp just because it's a mobile game. They're missing out!
@@Neremik2 Same here! The fortune cookies are my favorite things, and I was so sad when I joined ACNH and they didn't have that! :( Fr! Hopefully this video convinces a few more people to try it!
ive heavily played on and off since around launch, it can be super overwhelming and kind of upsetting to not get cute clothing or furnishings due to lack of leaf tickets but its so cute ...
I have been playing this game every single day since I joined around the time the scarlet gyroidite collecting was just about to end, only missing like 5 to 7 days TOTAL due to getting married or having a broken phone. Otherwise I miss next to nothing. I love this game, to the point my husband was just like "get the Happy Helper sub, you play every day, might as well, treat yo self" and I was so happy to watch animals like Bianca (my fave), Tasha, Fuschia, Cherry, Jacques, Lobo, etc. follow me around and help me out. I'm almost level 513 and I regret nothing, and doubt I'll get sick of it. Those events really do keep you hooked, they add SUCH cool stuff that your animals can *actually* interact with. What's not to love???
It's a cashgrab. Just like Mario Kart Tour, Super Mario Run and every other mobile game Nintendo publishes. Pocket Camp would be good if it was offline and if it didn't take so long to load everything. It takes like 5 seconds to set a piece of furniture. somewhere. It's fully online so without wifi it's rendered useless. Also, you cannot play it landscape mode which makes everything feel cramped and cluttered. Nintendo knew what they were doing with this. They could have done better.
My main concern with the game is the fact it requires an online connection, I understand why because it prevents people hacking leaf tickets, but it does somewhat doom the game to having an end of life at some point unless there's a revival project, similar to what's happened with a few other mobile games.
Honestly I might give Pocket Camp another go if you can still get all past event items, even if it’s slow (because I might actually scream if not, I care a lot about decorating and character customization ok?), but rn im still mad at it. I’m mad that pocket camp was given more attention from Nintendo than the game fans have been asking for for years, that ACNH couldn’t have AT LEAST gotten ports of the cute asf clothes and furniture, but I don’t think that’s what makes me the angriest anymore. It’s the fact that pocket camp got more personalities, as people are not only complaining about how shallow ACNH’s dialogue is, but how samey it is between villagers. More villager types are extremely overdue, whether it was implemented before or after ACNH updates. I’m so jealous if you enjoy this game, and I’ll try it out myself to see if I can enjoy it myself, and have a better opinion of
The game still gives you the chance to get older event items, but its always more expensive than it would've been to get them initially. Usually, they need a few thousand bells and the somewhat rare re-issue material to craft. What they reissue is cycled pretty predicably for the most part, sweets for valentines, holiday items during that holiday etc etc.
I was obsessed with Pocket Camp when it came out! It gave me joy at the most difficult period of my life. And it was actually my first introduction to the Animal Crossing series. I only stopped playing it because it necessitated too many microtransactions for my taste. I never understood why the fandom hated it so much.
It's really nice to hear that Pocket Camp was able to help you through a rough time and introduce you to the franchise. Hopefully you've enjoyed any other games I'm the series you've played since! It's fair that you stopped playing when you decided the microtransactions were a bit too much, they float everyone's boat differently and I think that putting the game down when they exceeded your personal tolerance is a perfectly respectable thing to do!
I came back to pocket camp just recently, having gotten burnt out on New Horizons a while back. I do heavily enjoy the 3 hour intervals of requests and the friend engagement aspects. Although, the amenity grind and waiting isn't my favorite lol. But other than that small gripe, I forgot how chill this game was.
Oh the amenity grind is easily my least favorite part of the game, I swear those Tier 3 buildings took years of saving to actually get given just how split your essence is on other stuff too!
I've clung to Pocket Camp since release somehow myself. At this point I'd have to argue it's one of if not *the* most successful mobile entries from Nintendo (RIP Miitomo). The only thing that annoys me about it is the garden events; they're so repetitive and grindy five years into the game. That, and the flower crossbreeding is so inconsistent. The casual nature of it makes it easy to drop in on on the daily, and if you're patient you can save up leaf tickets pretty easily these days. The only thing I regularly use them for is the gold fishing rod, and the only money I've thrown at them is the camp caretaker bonus =p Most of the issues that have come up they've done well in fixing - slow loading on slow connections? Now there's a find the differences game. Out of space and not a moneybags? Universal warehouse access for free. I wish we could transfer some of the event items over to New Horizons, though. Gonna carry that particular torch forever 😅
I'm holding out hope that the next game will move some of the limited time furniture over at least! Honestly, I think if they went back to the NL art style, it'd be a pretty simple job of porting and polishing up everything. (IMO if NH didnt have duch a different art style, we probably would've seen a few items make the jump) I think it might be a bit less likely for the cookie items, as presumably things would get a little messy with having to pay/save for them in one game and getting them for free in the other. But hey, no matter the outcome we can remain hopeful! You never know!
@@Neremik2 I could see them making it part of the Switch Online service, honestly, since NH already has an app there. With a buy-in in Pocket Camp of course. In a game that's just as much about hoarding as it is town management that just makes sense =p Your vid came up in the random suggestions, and while I've watched a lot of the AC deep dive style ones (Izzzyzzz, etc), nobody's touched on the black sheep of the family. So good job there, keep it up!
Setsu-P It's always a possibility, and with the direct in a few hours you never know! That said I'm glad to hear you enjoyed! A lot of these videos come about because I think something deserves a little more time under the spotlight, so I'm glad to hear this one was able to stick out from the crowd!
I wish Nintendo would have just released a 50 €/$ full version of Pocket Camp without any other microtransactions. I would gladly have played that. Instead they made it a game that become very expensive very fast so I stopped playing it after spending too much money on it and receiving very little for that money. Better idea just buy a console version of any Animal Crossing game than play on the phone even though the phone game worked surprisingly well.
I wouldn't mind them making a version like that which didn't need an Internet connection. I k OW some people would vibe with it more, and it'd probably be good fornwhen they choose to turn the servers off one day too!
funny timing on finding this video- i actually recently started playing pocket camp again after a pretty long break. i've been playing on and off since launch and am currently level 169 (nice). i bought the happy helper plan for a few months a while back, but that's all the money i've ever spent on it. i think the f2p leaf ticket income is decent- not incredibly generous, but ok. and i agree that the gameplay loop is nice. my least favorite system is the gulliver islands because it has so much waiting and pointless rng. i'm mildly salty that all the new villagers are put behind this system now, it feels like such a downgrade. i also think the amount of leaf ticket purchase only furniture/clothing items is getting a little excessive. but! there is so much nice furniture in this game. i love decorating and this game is just such a playground for that when you've amassed as much stuff as i have. AND the campers actually interact with the furniture! it baffles me how in new horizons the villagers just ignore everything you put out when the freaking mobile game managed to put in cute interactions with so much of their furniture
I'm an absolute pocket camper and your video represents well why! For 3,5 yrs I haven't skipped a day playing the game (except for maybe 3 days when I almost died, fair excuse), and I'll keep going as long as ACPC will, even going to start a YT channel for it soon 🤪 Thank you for the video!
the only issue with pocket camp is if your new to it your most likely going to find somthing you actually like and or want but you wont get it cause its an older item and items dont do reruns often enough
I stopped playing few months after released and even forgot the game ever existed 😆 I came back to it and holy 💩, so much content and as said so much furniture and clothes !! I dig up into my account to find the 1st fishing competition and the 1st winter decorations from 2017 🤣🤣 Much worth gold by now ! I see that they improved alot about designing furniture, impressive !
It's improved a lot in that time, and it makes me happy to see that! That said, over the years they've definately gotten better at designing things as you've said, no wonder there's such high demand for some furniture to be ported over to the next mainline game, a lot of it looks amazing!
Well done! Well thought out too, while I don't fully agree, I do agree that for a mobile game AC:PC is good & has more longevity than New Horizons. I personally have an issue with microtransactions in general, I genuinly think it's a cancer that'll lead to some serious complications if it's not treated & removed soon. Anyways other than that Pocket Camp is an exemplarary mobile game. o7 take it easy man.
That's fair, and thanks for the kind words! I do agree that mobile games in general have a pretty bad trend that needs to go addressed soon, somewhat hoping myself that there'll be a renaissance of genuinely good games on the app store that cause some sort of market shift, because the state of things right now ain't so hot!
I played it around when it first came out, and always wanted to play it way more often, and even now, but my phone never had enough storage, and I live in an area where signal and wifi are poor, so it would hardly load enough for me to play thoroughly anyway 😢
Not my dumbass believing in 2019 that they'd add (some) Pocket Camp items to NH... I loved the creativity in PC and even a lot of the F2P items were gorgeous. I don't spend on mobile games usually. I haven't in PC either, but still, it offers a lot to an active F2P player. My campsite looks/looked absolutely gorgeous. I haven't played since NH released and I'm busy playing ACNL atm. But I surely will return to PC one day, it's fun and isn't nearly as bad regarding cash grabs than MANY other mobile games.
I'm holding out hope they at least put a set PC sets into the next game! I think the main issue they had with doing it in NH was the artstyle change, given it probably made directly moving across things less viable.
It was nice to play waiting for NH to release but it's quickly grew old after so much waiting, though I did wish I could bring my items from that to NH. It did feel weird the villagers only became friends once you accommodate their needs though
I also really enjoy pocket camp, i love all of the little features and I enjoy the daily tasks far more than I enjoy New Horizons daily tasks! Pocket camp was actually my first AC game because ei never had a game cube or any other console that housed Animal Crossing so when ACNH came out I was so excited because I became invested after ACPC!
I used to play this game 10 hrs at a time during early 2020 pandemic but after I picked up new horizons I stopped really playing it besides a few times for nostalgia and to get over nh burnout
Fun fact, allegedly Pocket Camp was designed to be a companion app to the Welcome Amiibo update! Honestly, I wish they'd have kept some sort of crossover functionality as I think it would've been pretty cool!
I tried Pocket Camp when it was released but had never played an Animal Crossing game before so I didn't get into it. But when I got massively into New Horizons, I decided to redownload Pocket Camp and have been playing it almost every day since then (going on 3 years.. holy). I also use the happy helper plan because it's really affordable and it lets me have my favourite villager follow me around and help me out. Especially helpful for resources and event resources.
@@Neremik2 I really enjoyed this video! I never see anyone talk about Pocket Camp, especially in a good way - lots of people I've seen touch on it just point out all the micro transaction elements (which are so optional and I virtually never notice or use them).
Nicole Delville-Burke Yeah! A lot of people usually only afford a passing glance at Pocket Camp and make their judgement based in that, which is a shame. While microtransactions are an aspect of the game, they're practically all anyone talks about!
Oh, totally! While they offer the most variety out of the 3 main events, they certainly could do with some tweaking because some of those requirements are HARD to hit!
@c0mpu73rguy in part I think that's because it isn't limited to just one area, so searching every area alone already takes signicantly longer than the garden and tourney events. On top of that, some of those items have pretty high requirements! On top of that you need to wait for the item to craft as well. Pretty out there compared to the others.
New Horizons was my first Animal Crossing, but I started Pocket Camp last September and, in a lot of ways, I do prefer it over NH. And, as far as the Leaf Tickets go, I think the free to get ones have a very well balanced free progress receival rate - if there's something high priced I want, it doesn't take me too long to get. I think it could certainly be very predatory for certain types of players, for most it will be a fine option to have.
I agree! I've learned overtime to be really picky with what I spend my leaf tickets on, and it's generally meant that the free ones I get serve me just fine!
I will say though, I have been trying to get a building (one of an four it has) out of the Dobi cookie the past week or so only to keep getting the same damn tree out of them every time I save up 50 leaf tickets to spend on one and that's a pretty frustrating push towards spending real money to buy the bulk cookie order. I don't even have the real money for that, though, so I'll have to keep powering through.
I've started to write a comment here like 6 times and just have to agree to disagree with a lot of what you've said here. That said, in the interest of finding common ground, I do agree that New Horizons is awful. I think there's a reason that so many fans have had to look backwards, and there's more debate now than ever in which older AC game is the best and/or deserves more attention. I've been with the series since GC, but have found myself going back to New Leaf. Everyone has their own preferences, so no disrespect meant by this of course, but I think it's just interesting that while most of us can't agree on which game is best, a lot of us agree that New Horizons is not what we wanted or expected.
That's fair, I'm aware Pocket Camp may just not be up some people's alley, and that's totally fine! That said, I totally agree! It's rare to see an almost unanimous agreement in a fandom that a single piece of mainline content isnt what they wanted/was dissapointing in retrospect. It's interesting watching the discourse that's generated and *hopefully* that leads to some of that feedback being taken onboard for the next entry!
I will say I didn’t really enjoy pocket camp, but I just didn’t know how to play it, it was just complicated to me, maybe I’ll revisit it sometime to actually play and enjoy it
I think learning everything can be a bit overwhelming, and the game probably needs a bit more of a revised tutorial that covers all the post launch features a little better. Still, I personally think your award for getting past that initial hill is more than worth it!
I played every single AC games since the gamecube, yes even amiibo festival, which I didn't really enjoy. I played PC as a distraction until NH came out, and now I've gone back to PC because I'm utterly bored of NH. I like both for different reasons, but NH felt so limited while PC had much more designs and flavour from day 1. Idk I just ended up enjoying PC more, and it's way nicer to play on my daily commute versus bringing my expensive switch out on the bus/train lol.
ive been coming in and out of the game for several years and havent spent ANY money on it. granted the game never came to my country so the APKs i download wont let me use the shop, but even then the game hands out leaf tickets at a decent rate. if you ignore fortune cookie collecting youre still left with a meaty ftp game. they converted AC to mobile as best as they could, it honestly makes me wish i COULD spend money cause i enjoy the gameplay loop
Combined with the ~10 you get from login bonuses every week, what you'll get from levelling up and the free stuff in the planner for the events, it's a pretty steady rate! I think it's also pretty commendable that the stuff people would want to prioritize like the extra crafting slots are pretty cheap all things considered.
I've been playing it since launch almost and I've got a lot of fortune cookie exclusive items just from being lucky and getting them from Timmy and Tommys cart for bells. Like quite a bit. And it helps they get restocked every year too so you always have second chances of having them appear again. (Oh and the gifts help a lot too just add a lot of random ppl on ur friends and send them gifts and usually they will send back, and you can get fortune cookies that way too)
@OrcinusOrca1995 Oh yeah, I should've put a bit more emphasis on it in the video but gifts are easily the most helpful thing for getting cookie and other items. The cookie you get from them might be random, but the fact you can stockpile and recieve so many is genuinely so cool!
wow really good video! I got back into the game recently, hadn't played since the release. it's so good now! Crazy it's still getting updates and horizons isn't.
This is SUCH a well-constructed video! I'd thought everyone but me had forgotten about Pocket Camp once New Horizon was released, but I'm glad to see it getting some good attention now! Keep up the great work, man!
Yeah! I found that a lot of the discussion about Pocket Camp was mostly from people reacting/complaining about the Twitter posts to show off that month's items, rather than from people who actually play it. The lack of much positive coverage for the game is mostly what led to to make the video honestly!
@@Neremik2 i mean sure you can ignore the Mobil crappy micro transactions.
@@Tampafan33 The game makes it easy enough to go about ignoring them if you play actively. As I said in the video I think a lot of people's negativity for them stems from a knee-jerk reaction, moreso than actual experience.
Doesn't mean people aren't allowed to dislike them, I've had a few nice discussions in the comment section with people who have just agreed to disagree on this, which is more than fine! If they want to not engage with a business practice they disagree with, and choose to do that by abstaining from certain games, then more power to them!
The subreddit is still pretty active
I think my favorite part of pocket camp is that you don't *have* to pay, and there's always tons to do, it feels so much more rewarding to finish my dailies throughout the day on pocket camp than to get on new horizons and do those dailies
Oh yeah! I didn't touch on it in the video, but I like how on certain dailies that require you to catch bugs and fish, that you're rewarded with honey and throw nets respectively! I always thought that was a pretty neat idea for a reward, since it makes the thing you'd just been doing easier!
Little things like that are in a few places throughout the game, and I think they add up!
Yeah it does feel more rewarding and fun! That's why I played more Pocket Camp than New Horizons even when the game was new. I am going to pay for some microtramsactions eventually but at least you get more out of it when you do pay.
I played 800 hours of ACNH, so I definitely got my money's worth, but I was still disappointed by the lack of features even after the last big update. I liked the amount of furniture in ACPC, and the fact that even clothes were craftable. I wish they would at least let us get specific items if we have a villager's Amiibo card! It almost feels like ACPC is given more love at times, but sadly my mobile device isn't compatible anymore, so I can't even play it. 😔
It's unfortunate that they had to stop supporting some older devices, I assume the game ended up getting to heavy to run of some of them?
It does certainly feel like PC got more love though, I agree! Especially when you look at how much less it earned compared to NH, it does seem strange that it got more of the focus! My guess is that it's either easier and cheaper to develop for, or they know it'll keep generating them income.
I know, I wanted to download this game and it won't let me! >=(
Im glad people are remembering Pocket Camp, it was my first ever animal crossing game, my childhood
I played pocket camp in 2018&2019. I liked it fairly well and honestly I liked it enough to give ACNH a chance, with over 600 hours. I do wish I could have an RV in NHs. 😢Mine was so cute
I'd like to see RV's show up in the next Animal Crossing game, really liked how you could customise them and how you could randomly see other people's too!
I played pocket camp in 2017/2018 & i loved it! I was obsessed with it. I was spending real money to get leaf tickets, played it multiple times a day. But once they added so much & my lifestyle changed, i just couldn’t keep up. I would love to play it now, but every time i log in I’m bombarded with notifs & i just force quit lol
Gotta admit that while all the content they've added is nice, it most definitely can be a bit overwhelming coming back!
I also came back to the game after stopping playing it in 2018 and it was definitely overwhelming... The first two days I just focused on the animal quests and completing the daily tasks. After that, I started exploring the new things they added, one by one. And now I am once again in love with this game!
My main issue w/ Pocket Camp is that it’s transactional & freemian game. I’ve known children who’ve spent hundreds of dollars which parents haven’t been happy with.
Yeah, that's less an issue with Pocket Camp and more an issue with how Google and Apple police their app stores. Still unfortunate, but I don't hold it much against Nintendo.
That’s not true that’s on the developers making their games centered around spending money. Apple with post your app with or without excessive transactions
It's a fun game, but I just can't with the grind vs. payout. They simply don't give you enough Leaf Tickets. To put it in perspective, one random draw at a fortune cookie is 50 tickets and usually the special crafting items are around 100 tickets. Tickets are 20 for a dollar, which means you have to spend $3 just for one random try. Even the helper plan only gives you 60 tickets a month. Paying regular money but only getting one sure try.
I had to grind for months just to get some of one event, and even though I got what I wanted it doesn't feel satisfying to then have to plan on grinding for months again in case an event comes that I want.
That's fair, while they've certainly gotten better at monetisation they certainly could always do a little better! Honestly, just changing the amount of leaf tickets they give you from 3 to 5 would be an appreciated change.
I love pocket camp! I feel like it's slept on. I like that you don't miss out on anything if you don't pay for it. Using actual money just speeds things along. Tbh I feel like the free slower way is more in the spirit of animal crossing. I also agree that I would rather have micro transactions than ads all the time. I feel like the game isn't begging you for money all the time like some other mobile games.
I agree! I forgot to mention it in the video but my least favourite thing about the paid plans was the massive reduction in craft times! Weird as it sounds, being able to funnel my resources into whatever I wanted and get it immediately just didn't sit right with me. Still, I think free or otherwise the game captures the spirit pretty well!
This game takes all my money (I willingly give it) but i play religiously everyday. I had started playing when it launched but left it alone for three years then picked it back up a couple years ago when ACNH came out.
It’s so worth it because there are three different events every month (gardening,fishing and scavenging) where you can collect different furniture sets, outfits etc. and every single month has a different theme. I think it’s so worth it.
If you’ve been an animal crossing fan since childhood (like me) and love all the games, this game is literally perfect because you’ve always got your camp in your pocket wherever you go!!
Exactly! It's the same for me, I picked it up at launch, dropped it for a few years and now I'm also on it religiously!
honestly its wayy to much fomo me cause i wanna have every furniture, outfit etc 😭 Id would stress me out ngl and im already spending money on genshin, i cannot start with acpc aswell.
I feel that, Genshin has me in its grasp too! Luckily, Pocket Camp hasn't suckered me into paying too much just yet, but I get your hesitation if you're a completionist!
As someone who played it almost everyday(until an update around late 2020 that made Pocket camp not compatible anymore to me and other majority of android users. And even more worser for my case due to not having an nintendo account at the time which resulted me losing my Pc account). It was an pretty fun game. And i have good o'l fond memories of mine spending time with it. Im even have screenshots around it back then, and even some gameplay videos. Its great to see that the game is still going out strong! Even if so many players had to drop out due to an update like i mentioned before. This game will always have an special place in my heart.
Also, good job on the video! It was pretty well done and even brought out some stuff i hadn't thought out before. Keep up doing great as always!
Oof, I never got why linking a Nintendo Account was optional, it night be a bit of a hassle to set up, but it'd ensure everyone's data was saved and compatability issues don't erase saves like happened to yourself!
Happy to hear you enjoyed Pocket Camp back when, and the video though!
You can decorate a cabin with 3 STORIES, a camper van with two and a pretty big sized campsite. There are THOUSANDS of event items that you can get for free and use, way more options than New Horizons. Fortune cookies you can still get for free sometimes by luck and getting them in a rotation at timmy and tommys cart OR if a friend gifts you a fortune cookie gift! You can 100% have fun with Pocket Camp without spending any money AND STILL GET LOTS OF ITEMS! The events do get repetitive, but there is always a reason to log in and check in on it every day at least. So yeah idk why it gets hated on so much when yes it does have microtransactions and some things cost money but also you can still stack up leaf tickets for free if u play a lot and have patience. And there are still so many free items to decorate with like. The customization options in this game is insane compared to New Horizons
I can get why people are salty that NH didn't get a few items from PC, and honestly that's a gripe I can understand!
At the same time, it's made by a separate dev team in an art style different to New Horizons, so I can understand why stuff like that wasn't moved over too.
Pocket camp was my first game, since I didn't have much money (because I was a child who couldn't get a job), but in December 2020 I got a switch lite for christmas (it was my gift to myself) and I got acnh I wouldn't have ever known about animal crossing at all if it wasn't for pocket camp, so its really amazing.
I always find it cool to hear about people who found the franchise through Pocket Camp! Glad to hear you've enjoyed the franchise since!
I've had pocket camp for a year and I've never spent a dollar, im level 179 and have about 380 leaf tickets so I also never understood why everyone thought it was a cash grab
The main argument I heard was that the cookies cost too much compared to what you'd earn F2P, and that the drop rate of 5 dtar items was super low.
That said, I think as long as you don't want to buy a cookie very often, it's a decent enough system!
@@Neremik2 That's why I don't buy cookies unless they're on sale for 5,000 bells
Tamashii the Oreo That's usually what I do too! Honestly, if the bell cookies gave out stamps I think it'd probably make the whole system just that little bit more palletable!
I completely ignore the cookies until I am gifted one or they sell by bells. I don't like the gatcha mechanics. I really love the game anyway, I never felt FOMO for the cookies, I made peace with not having every single cute item I saw.
I’ve been playing since launch, and while I don’t play daily (stardew and sims got those time slots) I’ve always loved this game in the AC line the most because I’ve always had something to go back to. I like having little daily quests and being able to call up people I’ve met but don’t live at my camp to stop by my camp and see what I’ve built, or to stop by an island so I can build up their friendship. I like how I can even go so far as to edit the skyline of my camp, which I can’t do on ACNH or any other games if Im remembering correctly. The group working on this title seem to care just as much as their players, and I love that
My thoughts exactly! I like to think with all we've had over the years, that the devs really so care a lot about the game! Honestly, the fact they take community feedback onboard occasionally is a massive upside for me.
Very rarely comment but this video deserves it.
I've played this game pretty much every day from a couple of months after launch, I have maxed out bells, have over 1.3k leaf tickets and can pretty much make anything I want at any time, but despite having unlimited pretty much everything, this game never lost its charm, I've never debated stopping playing it. I would pay any amount of money for New Horizons to even have half the amount of furniture and clothing this game has. It seems so strange to me that a free to play spin off mobile game has leagues more furniture and clothing than a paid main line game!
And they have all that with a fraction of the budget and dev staff, too! I know it's common for mobile games, but Pocket Camp is pretty damn impressive when you look at all the stuff they've added! I 100% agree with you, I'd love for Nintendo to move over some of the furniture and ideas from Pocket Camp for the next game, because its criminal some of those sets are locked to just one game!
I would pay so much to get clothes and items from pocket camp in new horizons. I don't know why Nintendo just doesn't do it, it wouldn't be hard to upscale the models they have and add a bit of new texture
Not only that but we'd have a way to preserve the phone game items if they were in new horizons, like how Mario kart 8 can preserve the Mario phone game maps
@@benamisai-kham5892 Absolutely! As a game that requires online, at some point Pocket Camp will presumably shut down, so I think some sort of archive of all the items in the game would be great!
How on earth did you manage to get so much leaf tickets?? I find it soo hard to get even more than 150 😭
@@memorian8472 tbh I dont spend many, barely ever, I hoarde them lol
I dont get many of the leaf ticket special items, if any, if there's something I like I'll get it but I won't buy all of em :)
I started Pocket Camp the exact hour it released, I was very excited to have another Animal Crossing game and one on mobile had this neat novelty to it.
I played it a ton alongside New Leaf at the time, but unfortunately I couldnt play it after awhile due to system requirements and my account got deleted, so when I redownloaded it after getting a better device and seeing my character was gone, I got sad but still replayed and seen all these new things and been enjoying the streamlining, atleast the Newleaf town I played along with it is still around!
I still play it now along with New Horizons, its a nice lil bit for lunchbreaks or just a quick get on and off
Pocket Camp is pretty great at giving you the AC experience in bite sized chunks, as you said it's always great to play on the bus or on a break!
I love this game but personally I get really burnt out doing all the events trying to get everything done
i got hugely into pocket camp in 2019 and then it became a quarantine game for me 2020 and 2021. i played it... every day, for over 2 years. something was hypnotizingly satisfying about flower event, fishing event, gyroidite, flowers, fish, gyroidite, flowers, fish, gyroidite... the neverending cycle lol. i literally spent 0 dollars on it and i had a great time with the friggin TRIMONTHLY new furniture sets. so much free content and i never spent a single real dollar.
I've seen comments like this a few times, and I'd have to agree! The sheer amount of free furniture and how easy it is to acquire a good chunk of it is really nice to see for a mobile game. Honestly, I think that is in part why so many people still do choose to play!
I loved Pocket Camp. It was so cute.
Then all my progress was suddenly deleted from the world and I was never able to get it back even though it was synced with my Nintendo ID.
I love Nintendo.
Yikes, that definitely sounds like a Nintendo level screw up. Sorry to hear that!
I really enjoyed playing Pocket Camp when it first launched, I no joke literally played it daily for years participating in events, Finding my favorite villagers and adding them to my camp site, Catching rare bugs, fish, fruit and charging a lot of bells for them just to upgrade my RV and much more. Until I believe two years ago when the app told me to download an update. So it took me to the play store and I wasn't able to download it I got confused by it because it ran perfectly fine. So I looked it up and they had added an AR mode and some people in the comments of that video had the same problem that I had.
While I can understand ending support for older devices, I really think discontinuing it for a feature some people won't even use is a bit misguided. They could've easily made it disabled for those older devices, honestly a pretty bad business move all things considered.
@@Neremik2 I agree and what bugs me the most is that the AR feature for Pokémon Go works and doesn't lag at all on my phone and at least the game does have that AR feature for devices that can't handle it .
@@ZeldaMasterLogan Pokemon GO has a different development team, but still you make a good point!
Pocket Camp was my first animal crossing, since my parents refused to get me any consoles! I have endless nostalgia for this game, thanks for covering it
No problem, glad to hear you enjoyed!
oh?? It's the first time that I see the dialogues in English, I feel that in Spanish the names that the characters give you are funnier and more adorable 🤧🤧 I also end up becoming attached to a character and it's hard for me to get them out or i feel evil to have him abandoned in my cabin lmao
Ah, I didn't realise the dialogue changed much between languages, I figured it was all roughly translated to be the same! I'll go have a read into it later, as the English dialogue is probably one of the weaker aspects for me!
ah yes the “poor man’s” AC for us who could not afford a 3ds yet alone acnl back then. Enjoyed it for quite a long before pandemic in 2019 ish. Still remember when they held a cross event with the release of acnh. went nuts and ofc pulling myself to get a hold on switch and acnh. Good times and quite a spin on the lovely franchise if you have the time and 💰 (f2p sure but a lot of ppl spent hundred bills for tickets and furnitures). I remembered last time I have the tom nook island paradise tour as well and timmy and tommy holding the acnh release flag 🥰
Oh, the ACNH crossover event was EASILY the most excited I've been for an event! Honestly, I kind of wish we get more Nintendo themed events at some point, like the one they had for Splatoon 2, a they're always a treat!
I found this WHILE playing pocket camp! I played it 4 years ago and then just fell out, but started playing again this year and its amazing! I love this game, and this video was awesome!! Deserves so much attention, the scripting, music, b-roll all flowed together smoothly!!
Glad to hear you liked the b-roll footage! Compared to the other videos I've made, this one easily was the hardest to sync the b-roll for. Glad to see that all that effort paid off though!
I was wondering why my time with City Folk and New Leaf felt more fulfilling (and I've probably spent about the same time between those two and New Horizons). And I think you nailed it with the structuring and how the player is rewarded. There's a good reason I've never completed the art section of the museum vs bugs and fish (that give tools and a dedicated menu to watch fill up). Or why Gulliver was too much of a pain to commit to in NH.
The Nook Miles rewards could be considered a continuation of the house loan, the town fund, etc, but idk. The reward of more NMTs and completion doesn't feel as strong as seeing new features added to your town or that flag by your house.
I hope the next game can bring a little more structure to the grinding back
I'd like to hope so too! I've heard New Horizons described as a "designers paradise" in a few places, and I honestly think that's pretty accurate to what we got. That said, I'd like to think now they've got the more design orientated features out of the way in NH, that perhaps the next game might be a bit more balanced!
I have always loved AC (literally obsessed with ACNH I have over 3,000 hours in that game lol) and I literally JUST started playing AC Pocket Camp. Like, this *week* just started playing! Nobody told me! It’s sooooo much better than I ever could have imagined for a mobile game!!! I had no idea what I was missing out on this whole time!!! 🤯
A lot of the discussion about Pocket Camp is always super negative, and that's if there even is some! Which is a shame because it's way better than people give it credit for and deserves some real attention! Hope you enjoy your tike with Pocket Camp, here's to your next 3000 hours!
@@Neremik2 Haha thanks! I’m really enjoying it! ☺️ Btw, I was your 111th sub! Lucky number! 🍀
soo glad i stumbled across this video!! ive felt frustrated in the past seeing how big animal crossing youtubers specifically disregard pocket camp because of the money aspect... as someone who has both had periods where i pay real money and those where i dont, i find you can still do SOOOO much without using real money !! i think its a shame most ppl ignore the game because of that aspect... it can be really fun and wholesome!
it's a shame to see that happen, more so when people bundle it in with Amiibo Festival as something you should skip! it's a solid game, and it's a shame that a lot of the major voices you'll hear online just parrot the same points over and over again!
ACPC is my by far favorite mobile game EVER. I played it shortly after the release for a brief moment and also dismissed it at first. After a long time, I also have ACNH, I came back to the game to try it once more cause ACNH was kinda done. But I wanted to keep playing Animal Crossing. So I tried it again. And holy cow am I addicted. I basically have the game open all day, checking on events and villagers any second I have free time. I LOVE to decorate all the different locations and still would like more space to use all the awesome funiture I collected over the time.
I'm really glad you also mentioned the leaf tickets. I rarely buy any myself, cause there are just so many ways to get them in-game for free. If you save up on them to buy something you really want, it's actually quite satisfying to achieve that. And even if you decide to buy some, they're not very expensive. I've also used the subscriptions quite a few times for a limited time period if I needed a little extra help with events and such.
Over all, I'd say ACPC is the fairest and cheapest options to enjoy Animal Crossing and never running out of stuff to do. I highly respect the ACPC team to do such a great job on this game!
You practically took the words out of my mouth! I think when people give PC the chance, they find its a lot better than they're led to believe! And as it stands, around now is the perfect time now that NH isn't being updated anymore!
This video convinced me to download pocket camp! I really appreciate the time you took to talk about this game.
Thanks for dropping by, hopefully you enjoy your time with Pocket Camp!
oh my gosh, this was such a wonderful video!! Super made and coherent! Also, I'm one of those people that downloaded and forgot about pocket camp--it's been on my phone since 2018 lol but now i'm gonna give it a second shot! ACNH just doesn't scratch that animal crossing itch at all.
Glad to hear it! I think Pocket Camp is a really good way to scratch an Animal Crossing itch without having to invest a whole lot of time! Hopefully you'll enjoy it!
I was obsessed with this game when it came out. I would set alarms on my phone for every 3 hours so I would never miss a chance to collect my rewards. I also purposely bought an iPhone 8 Plus which is WAY too big for my small hands just so I could have a bigger screen to play pocket camp on.
I can respect the hustle! Pretty sure I did the same around a few of the game's anniversary events to make sure I got anything!
"Pocket Camp" is like a sticker album that you will NEVER complete. The stickers (decorations, clothes, furniture, etc.) have only an aesthetic purpose that does not influence the game. Unlike the relaxation of the console versions, in Pocket Camp there are countdowns (events) that force you to enter daily if you want to get those stickers, but in the same way you will never be able to complete your album, not even paying with real money since these countdowns are renewed: in some you have to touch the screen here and in others touch the screen there, without much effort but rushing to enter daily.
There are other alternatives with more relaxation, immersion and magic that Pocket Camp does not have, and cheaper, even Wild World or New Leaf is more profitable.
I can get that, there's probably a lot of people who have no tolerance for FOMO tactics used who don't wish to play and that's fine! I don't think Pocket Camp could replace a main entry in the franchise, but I personally think that so long ad you play it casually and don't fret over each item, it's a pretty fun thing to play on the side!
@@Neremik2 Totally agree with you and the way you put it. I also tried to take the "game" easy, relaxed, unhurried and not trying to get all the stickers: unfortunately I didn't. While I appreciate that it doesn't have the hype of conventional advertising, I felt like there's not enough reward for tapping the screen here and there - no strategy, skill, etc. What it does offer is that one can find a sense of completeness: but then again, the app doesn't allow you to achieve that. It is a constant reminder that you must get all this and all that, which is renewed again and again in different but similar forms at the same time. It is well optimized, it has no errors, it is well localized to other languages, but it fails in what it offers even though thousands of people don't even notice it. It's just my experience after a long back and forth.
i love pocket camp so muchhh, and honestly you don't need to use your money for leaf tickets, there are soooo many ways for you to get leaf tickets for free
Exactly! That bit of generosity ends up going a lot further than most people think it would!
I just started the video but I’m kind of shocked to hear that you think new leaf put animal crossing on the map 😭 no doubt it was one of the most popular of the series but I’ve never heard anyone describe it that way lol
Looking at it, I should've probably added a line to say it was fairly popular before NL. It probably would've been better to say it saw a decent spike after it released, given Wild World sold like hotcakes back when.
I hate the grind but i love the items. They’re gorgeous. I went on vacation and was unable to play for some time. I an finding it hard to jump back in despite being in love with the current items 🥺
I’ve been playing ACPC on and off for over 4 years, because I love the art and characters of the games but have never owned a games console and don’t think it would be worth it for me to get one. It’s nice to able to join in the Animal Crossing community with just a phone!
I agree! I think having franchises have a game available on mobile is a smart move! As you said, not everyone has the means/want to buy a home console, especially in the case of Nintendo where all their games are exclusive to their own systems!
I feel old.
Same here!
Honestly this video got me back into the game after continuously deleting it following the tutorial for years, and it really is nice! The hate is sooo undeserved
Cool to hear you picked it back up! I know a fair few people in the comments have done the exact same, and they've all generally enjoyed it more than they expected too!
The thing with Pocket Camp (and similar mobile titles like it) is that a lot of people never really seem to think through what might happen if the devs ever decided to pull the plug and shut down their servers for good. You would instantly lose all the things you worked so hard on and maybe even spend a lot of money on. Woosh, it'll just be gone. Regarding its success over the past years, I'm sure Pocket Camp will stick around for a long while to come (after all, its monetization model seems quite fruitful), but some day it'll be gone and I would hate the feeling to have invested so much time and money into a thing without having anything to show for it one day. At least with the console versions (Gamecube, Wii, DS & Switch!), I can always come back to them even years after release without the fear of losing anything. Even if they might have stopped support for their online features.
I always assumed that they'd announce end of support a ways in advance and probably stop purchases a few months in advance. It'd be nice if they made an offline version, but I guess that's just wishful thinking! Having seen a few other apps get the same treatment, I wouldn't be too surprised if the community took it upon themselves to make their own revival project although I assume that'd require people to start over for.
This is a really well-made video! I've never understood the hate for Pocket Camp tbh. I've been playing fairly consistently since the day it released (aside from a few months when that one update made a TON of phones no longer compatible with the app, including my old one rip) and I still really enjoy it. I even have a few people in my friends list that I added in like 2019 who are still active as well! Having the different themes for the events every month is really fun and all the seasonal items encourage you to redecorate the various spaces from time to time. It's overall a nice little pass-time. Totally missed out on that stargazing event though lol
One thing I actually appreciate about Leaf Tickets is being able to earn them in game fairly often. Sure it's not a lot at a time usually, but I'm so used to other mobile games with a Leaf-Ticket-equivalent type currency being like a "Here's 30 for starting the game and the only way to ever get more is to spend real money." Same with how occasionally you'll have one of the special fortune cookies in that little shop for bells instead of leaf tickets.
Same here! I picked it up during the time it was exclusive to Australia and have been playing on and off ever since! I can kind of understand a few of the complaints the game gets, but it's nowhere near as bad as most people make it out to be! As far as Leaf Tickets go, as you said I appreciate the fact that not every cookie will appeal to everyone which means you've got some time to save on up, plus with the added chance to get them for free from Gulliver and the shop too!
Absolutely loved the cutaway at 7:45, shiz had me ascending first time I watched it!
Glad to hear you liked it! I really wanted to use that clip in the video, but it was a real pain to figure out how! Happy to see the effort went appreciated, even if it was for only half a second of footage!
Pocket camp was my first look into animal crossing and I loved it. I still play it daily.
Though the fact it has membership kinda scares me. I had a bad history with past games having that feature and giving non members basically the scraps the members didn't want. So far it seams like its fair since it only gives members a boost, not blocking a feature or islands behind a pay wall.
I've always viewed the memberships more like a boost than a necessity, the game is still perfectly playable without them either way!
@@Neremik2 same. Unlike games that basically punishes others for being non members.
i've played pocket camp on and off for the last threeish years, and i recently got really into it again! (according to the app, i've had an account for over 1000 days. i think i had a different account before that which i lost, though.) i've never had the chance to play another animal crossing game, but i've always really enjoyed pocket camp. it's an *exceptionally good* mobile game. like maybe it's mediocre when compared to animal crossing games, but it's *great* when compared to all the... other... mobile games out there. i really appreciate all the work the devs are putting into it - every time i come back to the game it has more features, more events, etc.! last night i finally decided to do a free trial of the happy helper plan (not even for the helper, just the lower crafting times) and i would 100% give them my money when the trial runs out. (if my adhd hasn't decided to stop being interested in the game by then.) this was a great video! it highlighted all the great things about this game, and i am immediately going to send it to my friends who think pocket camp isn't a good animal crossing game. thank you (:
I think just being a *good* mobile game with reasonable monetisation can go a much longer way than a lot of people realise! Super glad to hear you enjoyed the video and PC so much! Thanks for the support!
I've been playing it on and off for 3 years and it serveeessss. All the designs are amazing and so well thought out. There is smth in it for anybody who's interested. You do have to grind if you want to get certain pieces of furniture or fashions tho... The only thing I wish it had was hourly music, it would make it that much better!!
As much as I like the evening tracks in NH, I'd ditch them in a heartbeat for some real hourly music! At this point it'd honestly just be icing on the cake!
I've spent so much real money on this game i really regret doing lol, but fr unless you cant resist buying every new item that comes in store you should be fine playing to earn tickets, the only thing i wish the game had is more content rather than the 3 same activities every single event, if the game got new stuff, it would worth buying stuff with real money to support it.
Yeah! While I appreciate the events we have now, I'd love for us to get a few more for the sake of variety! Even if it was just 3 more, it'd be a much appreciated month break from doing the same challenges!
My only reason for being able to dislike pocket camp is that New Horizons is a bare bones game that won’t get update because they can’t monetize it like Pocket camp.
Pocket Camp is made by a subsidiary of Nintendo, whereas New Horizons was made by one of their main development teams. I don't think PC killed NH, I just think the NH team ran out of steam, time or money! Personally never held it against PC for outlasting NH since its its own thing!
Dude, you must put a lot of time into your videos. This is the first video of yours that I’ve watched and I seriously don’t understand how you don’t have a lot more subscribers, but you’ve certainly got a new one now :)
Thanks a bunch! These videos take a fair bit of work to make, but fortunately it all pays off once they're released!
Yes finally someone gets it too !! I have also been playing ever since launch. I'm so tired of people complaining about Pocket Camp when they don't actually understand how to play it. I have indeed seen mobile gotcha games that were way worse like $100 USD per spin worse. Pocket Camp is not one of those games. I love the feeling of going through my day and then being able pick the game right back up as if nothing happened. Very well explained. Thank you! I hope this goes around the ACNH community in positivity.
Same here, picked it up day 1! Luckily, I think the video has been pretty well received, judging from all the comments I've read!
@@loumona76 Hey there. When I had posted my comment, I was having a beyond extremely stressful day so I do apologize if it came across as an attack.
To be honest I was really angry of a specific UA-camr which directly called it a Gotcha Game in which Pocket Camp is not. There is so much more to the game in which they didn't see. This why I used the word "people" instead of "everyone".
No I wasn't "spitting on other player's faces because they can't enjoy the game like I do". I was in that state of "protect anything Animal Crossing at all cost" mood because of my stress and I couldn't see past that. For that I am sorry if I have offended you in any way.
I will offer my help if you would like. The game is truly a load of fun and I hope you will enjoy it.
Great video! My sister has the switch and ACNH and I have ACPC on my ipad, we've been playing for years, and I so wanted a Switch just to have NH, imagining all the decorating I could do on all that space, but then they announced the final update and I was shocked. Because I was expecting it go go on for years and that they'd do some events like pocket camp and we'd get better rand better items... But I realised that my pocket camp has way nicer items and outfits than her game will ever have. So sad. NH just doesn't have the draw anymore, I'm no longer interested to get the switch because of the missed potential of that game.
I think a lot of people feel the same unfortunately, although I'd be surprised if the wait for another Animal Crossing would be as long as it was for New Horizons. Here's to hoping the next entry lives up to expectations!
The only reason I stopped playing was because the updates rendered my phone unable to play it. But I also had a slight problem with buying leaf tickets to get all the fortune cookie goodies.
I loved Pocket Camp, but the in-app purchases are way too much. I wish I didn’t go broke everytime I wanted a fortune cookie.
The cookie system is usually okay so long as you aren't looking to buy too many sets because then you've got down periods in between to save! The issue is that Nintendo recently started having 5+ cookies available at any one time, which drastically reduces the time between sets you'd want and puts more of a squeeze to spend money. It's probably one of the few gripes I've had with the game, given it makes being F2P a real struggle when there's multiple sets you want currently out.
my schedule ran around this game for about 2.5 years. like i was dedicated to logging in every 3 hours and even now when i check the time and if its 2,5,8,11 o clock am or pm, i very slightly panic. i only stopped playing due to extreme burnout, and the dedicated device i used for it dying (i used third party DL so i had to redownload the game every month and it took a toll on the device)
this is all to say, though the ending for me is unpleasant, i thoroughly enjoyed every moment of playing it. i bought my switch lite and acnh this year bc i finally could afford it but i owe my thanks to acpc for being my driving force through the pandemic and my intro to the franchise
this video makes me so happy 🤗 i'd always wanted to play animal crossing cause It looked so cute but console games are ridiculously expensive in my country so when acpc was released i immediately downloaded and got hooked from day one! never realized how much It changed and upgraded over time 😯 sometimes i go a month or two without playing but i always come back for an event or a cute limited time item. i always wondered why console players hated It so much and even though i haven't played any other version, i think you're right that most would like It If they grave it a chance! true that leaf tickets are a little difficult to get and i could only ever sign up for happy helper plan for a few months at a time (furniture plan is also rly expensive here 😭) but overral you can still enjoy the game plenty without those! it's so much fun and relaxing and you never run out of stuff tô do, It helped me manage my anxiety, it got me off art block, i just love It A Lot 🥹 thank you for this wonderful vídeo!!
No problem! I never thought of it like that, but I think it's pretty cool that the franchise has a free game available! It lets people like yourself still get to experience the franchise if you don't have the consoles or games for the paid games, and I think that's real neat!
I absolutely agree with you! I've already restarted 3 accounts in this game since 2018. There is a lot of stuff such as clothes, furniture in different and interesting styles, just look at new update from February 2023: Fishing event, collecting brezel to gain cookies and more things. It made an enormous step from starting, the first version and today's are very different.
The core elements from that first version are still there, but I like to think almost everything they've added since has been a real improvement and in line with how the game is as a whole!
Imo it kinda looses the spirit of being your little space to relax and do as you please. Obviously to each their own but this game is designed to fill you with FOMO and I'm not fond of how much it relies on that. That being said, i do understand the appeal but yeah, it's designed to do that, so that as many as possible players spend money there, and i find it sad that that's the only reason they'll update it so much and bring such pretty furniture and events
But yeah this is not an attack to your video, i think it was pretty cool! And i like to see other opinions, hopefully I'll keep seeing you around!
I kind of see your point, by having every place be identical it can somewhat limit your creativity and I can see why that would turn some people away, and while a little FOMO is never too bad I do agree that at times they do certainly go a bit too hard on it. Still, thanks for dropping by and sharing your own thoughts!
i've been playing acpc on and off for over 3 years now, and i haven't spent a single cent of real-life money on it (i tend to be very conservative with my leaf ticket spending haha). i totally agree that it's not as pay-to-win as people make it seem, and although it can feel a bit shallow sometimes, i really enjoy it! :D by the way, i noticed that you don't have a ton of bells (no offense!!) so here are some tips for you and anyone in the comments:
- when a villager asks for fruit, give them a perfect fruit or one of the fruits that doesn't grow in your campsite (grapes, lemons, or lychee) and you'll get a much better reward! the same goes for flowers, some flowers yield higher rewards!
- speaking of fruits that only grow in certain campsites, NEVER sell your home fruit directly! i always sell them in market box, so that i can make money off it and my friends can too!
- during gyroidite events, whichever location you leave your character in will have more gyroidites than usual when you log back on. because of this, it's generally not a good idea for the last place you visit to be your own main campsite or cabin, because gyroidites don't spawn there. also, don't forget to check ok motors and the marketplace!
- connect your my nintendo account to get free in-game stuff, including leaf tickets!
- play happy homeroom every day! even if you've earned all three medals from a level, playing will still earn you bells! also, some levels will earn you more bells than others, so try to find the best ones!
- if you have too many crafting materials (there's a cap, i believe it's 999) it's usually better to sell them in market box since they are often in high demand with newer players and you can make more money that way!
- there's no rush to pay off your loan, especially the last one since there aren't any rewards for it iirc!
- friend request everyone you see! you can get friend powder and other rewards from helping people, especially during gardening events, and you can get them to help you enter the quarry!
- be wary when doing blathers's map quest things, since for many the rewards don't warrant the cost of rolls!
- you can sell the seasonal items you get from completing monthly missions, as well as any leftover gyroidites you might have at the end of an event!
- if playing starts feeling like a chore, just take a break for a few days (or weeks!) and return when you're ready. it's a game, the whole point is to have fun! if it's causing you more stress than happiness, it's not worth your time.
this was great video by the way! you deserve more subscribers!
Thanks for the tips, I certainly didn't know a few of them, so I'll bear them in mind! I did have a few million bells a few months back, but a few weeka before I got my footage together, I spent close to everything on my Leaf Ticket maps so I could get some of the Pizzeria cookies before it went away!
That said I've still got plenty more to roll on, so I'll make sure to put some of these into action so I can clear through them whenever I need to too!
Listen, ACPC was my first game. I never knew about the others and I loved it. I still love it. I don't understand why or how people hate it, it's nice being able to make a lil campsite, invite a ton of villagers, and ohmygod the fortune cookies, i LOVE them. it's also free which is really nice when you don't have the money to buy a ds or a switch or the games themselves. ACPC is great in my opinion
It's unlikely, but I really hope the next a
Animal Crossing game gets a few of the fortune cookie sets because some of them are SO good!
It's a shame more people don't take a chance on Pocket Camp just because it's a mobile game. They're missing out!
@@Neremik2 Same here! The fortune cookies are my favorite things, and I was so sad when I joined ACNH and they didn't have that! :(
Fr! Hopefully this video convinces a few more people to try it!
@@chaospaganwitch I hope so too! For what it's worth there's already a few comments around by people saying they've redownloaded it!
ive heavily played on and off since around launch, it can be super overwhelming and kind of upsetting to not get cute clothing or furnishings due to lack of leaf tickets but its so cute ...
I have been playing this game every single day since I joined around the time the scarlet gyroidite collecting was just about to end, only missing like 5 to 7 days TOTAL due to getting married or having a broken phone. Otherwise I miss next to nothing. I love this game, to the point my husband was just like "get the Happy Helper sub, you play every day, might as well, treat yo self" and I was so happy to watch animals like Bianca (my fave), Tasha, Fuschia, Cherry, Jacques, Lobo, etc. follow me around and help me out. I'm almost level 513 and I regret nothing, and doubt I'll get sick of it. Those events really do keep you hooked, they add SUCH cool stuff that your animals can *actually* interact with. What's not to love???
It's a cashgrab. Just like Mario Kart Tour, Super Mario Run and every other mobile game Nintendo publishes. Pocket Camp would be good if it was offline and if it didn't take so long to load everything. It takes like 5 seconds to set a piece of furniture. somewhere. It's fully online so without wifi it's rendered useless. Also, you cannot play it landscape mode which makes everything feel cramped and cluttered. Nintendo knew what they were doing with this. They could have done better.
My main concern with the game is the fact it requires an online connection, I understand why because it prevents people hacking leaf tickets, but it does somewhat doom the game to having an end of life at some point unless there's a revival project, similar to what's happened with a few other mobile games.
As someone who's been playing acpc for a while now, I absolutely love it! I've been playing since 2020, never gets old :)
It's a solid game! I usually take breaks here and there, but I always find myself coming back!
Honestly I might give Pocket Camp another go if you can still get all past event items, even if it’s slow (because I might actually scream if not, I care a lot about decorating and character customization ok?), but rn im still mad at it.
I’m mad that pocket camp was given more attention from Nintendo than the game fans have been asking for for years, that ACNH couldn’t have AT LEAST gotten ports of the cute asf clothes and furniture, but I don’t think that’s what makes me the angriest anymore. It’s the fact that pocket camp got more personalities, as people are not only complaining about how shallow ACNH’s dialogue is, but how samey it is between villagers. More villager types are extremely overdue, whether it was implemented before or after ACNH updates.
I’m so jealous if you enjoy this game, and I’ll try it out myself to see if I can enjoy it myself, and have a better opinion of
The game still gives you the chance to get older event items, but its always more expensive than it would've been to get them initially. Usually, they need a few thousand bells and the somewhat rare re-issue material to craft. What they reissue is cycled pretty predicably for the most part, sweets for valentines, holiday items during that holiday etc etc.
Once they introduced fortune cookies I dropped the game.
@Luna's Kingdom☆ People with gambling addictions can easily spend hundreds to get something from a fortune cookie ^^
I was obsessed with Pocket Camp when it came out! It gave me joy at the most difficult period of my life. And it was actually my first introduction to the Animal Crossing series. I only stopped playing it because it necessitated too many microtransactions for my taste. I never understood why the fandom hated it so much.
It's really nice to hear that Pocket Camp was able to help you through a rough time and introduce you to the franchise. Hopefully you've enjoyed any other games I'm the series you've played since!
It's fair that you stopped playing when you decided the microtransactions were a bit too much, they float everyone's boat differently and I think that putting the game down when they exceeded your personal tolerance is a perfectly respectable thing to do!
I came back to pocket camp just recently, having gotten burnt out on New Horizons a while back. I do heavily enjoy the 3 hour intervals of requests and the friend engagement aspects. Although, the amenity grind and waiting isn't my favorite lol. But other than that small gripe, I forgot how chill this game was.
Oh the amenity grind is easily my least favorite part of the game, I swear those Tier 3 buildings took years of saving to actually get given just how split your essence is on other stuff too!
I've been playing pocket camp some day one. I'm on it every day and there are always new events on. It's better than new horizons!
Depending on what you look for in a game, you could certainly say that it is!
I've clung to Pocket Camp since release somehow myself. At this point I'd have to argue it's one of if not *the* most successful mobile entries from Nintendo (RIP Miitomo). The only thing that annoys me about it is the garden events; they're so repetitive and grindy five years into the game. That, and the flower crossbreeding is so inconsistent.
The casual nature of it makes it easy to drop in on on the daily, and if you're patient you can save up leaf tickets pretty easily these days. The only thing I regularly use them for is the gold fishing rod, and the only money I've thrown at them is the camp caretaker bonus =p
Most of the issues that have come up they've done well in fixing - slow loading on slow connections? Now there's a find the differences game. Out of space and not a moneybags? Universal warehouse access for free.
I wish we could transfer some of the event items over to New Horizons, though. Gonna carry that particular torch forever 😅
I'm holding out hope that the next game will move some of the limited time furniture over at least! Honestly, I think if they went back to the NL art style, it'd be a pretty simple job of porting and polishing up everything. (IMO if NH didnt have duch a different art style, we probably would've seen a few items make the jump)
I think it might be a bit less likely for the cookie items, as presumably things would get a little messy with having to pay/save for them in one game and getting them for free in the other.
But hey, no matter the outcome we can remain hopeful! You never know!
@@Neremik2 I could see them making it part of the Switch Online service, honestly, since NH already has an app there. With a buy-in in Pocket Camp of course. In a game that's just as much about hoarding as it is town management that just makes sense =p
Your vid came up in the random suggestions, and while I've watched a lot of the AC deep dive style ones (Izzzyzzz, etc), nobody's touched on the black sheep of the family. So good job there, keep it up!
Setsu-P It's always a possibility, and with the direct in a few hours you never know!
That said I'm glad to hear you enjoyed! A lot of these videos come about because I think something deserves a little more time under the spotlight, so I'm glad to hear this one was able to stick out from the crowd!
I wish Nintendo would have just released a 50 €/$ full version of Pocket Camp without any other microtransactions. I would gladly have played that. Instead they made it a game that become very expensive very fast so I stopped playing it after spending too much money on it and receiving very little for that money. Better idea just buy a console version of any Animal Crossing game than play on the phone even though the phone game worked surprisingly well.
I wouldn't mind them making a version like that which didn't need an Internet connection. I k OW some people would vibe with it more, and it'd probably be good fornwhen they choose to turn the servers off one day too!
funny timing on finding this video- i actually recently started playing pocket camp again after a pretty long break. i've been playing on and off since launch and am currently level 169 (nice). i bought the happy helper plan for a few months a while back, but that's all the money i've ever spent on it. i think the f2p leaf ticket income is decent- not incredibly generous, but ok. and i agree that the gameplay loop is nice.
my least favorite system is the gulliver islands because it has so much waiting and pointless rng. i'm mildly salty that all the new villagers are put behind this system now, it feels like such a downgrade. i also think the amount of leaf ticket purchase only furniture/clothing items is getting a little excessive.
but! there is so much nice furniture in this game. i love decorating and this game is just such a playground for that when you've amassed as much stuff as i have. AND the campers actually interact with the furniture! it baffles me how in new horizons the villagers just ignore everything you put out when the freaking mobile game managed to put in cute interactions with so much of their furniture
You took the words straight out of my mouth, not a single thing I could agree more with!
I don't have a switch, but have always wanted to play ACNH, but I found pocket camp about a year ago, and I have loved it!
Its a pretty solid entry in the franchise all things considered! Hopefully you can get round to playing ACNH at some point!
I'm an absolute pocket camper and your video represents well why! For 3,5 yrs I haven't skipped a day playing the game (except for maybe 3 days when I almost died, fair excuse), and I'll keep going as long as ACPC will, even going to start a YT channel for it soon 🤪 Thank you for the video!
No problem, glad to hear there's so many big fans of the game! Hopefully your channel does well!
It was extremely watered down but I loved it
Yeah! It may be a slightly wayered down version of a mainline game, but it can still stand on its own merits enough to be fun!
Nope, I came back after a few years just to see a game infested with microtransaction and pop ups to them.
Unfortunately, that's just how they monetize. Though I agree, getting prompts for microtransactions the second you load in is never pleasant!
The only thing I don't like is when a new event is just a recolor of an old event. super annoying.
the only issue with pocket camp is if your new to it your most likely going to find somthing you actually like and or want but you wont get it cause its an older item and items dont do reruns often enough
keep in mind too, pocket camp is the only animal crossing that is free - if you dont count microtransactions
Oh true, I'd never thought of it that way before! Good point!
I stopped playing few months after released and even forgot the game ever existed 😆
I came back to it and holy 💩, so much content and as said so much furniture and clothes !!
I dig up into my account to find the 1st fishing competition and the 1st winter decorations from 2017 🤣🤣
Much worth gold by now ! I see that they improved alot about designing furniture, impressive !
It's improved a lot in that time, and it makes me happy to see that! That said, over the years they've definately gotten better at designing things as you've said, no wonder there's such high demand for some furniture to be ported over to the next mainline game, a lot of it looks amazing!
Well done! Well thought out too, while I don't fully agree, I do agree that for a mobile game AC:PC is good & has more longevity than New Horizons. I personally have an issue with microtransactions in general, I genuinly think it's a cancer that'll lead to some serious complications if it's not treated & removed soon.
Anyways other than that Pocket Camp is an exemplarary mobile game. o7 take it easy man.
That's fair, and thanks for the kind words! I do agree that mobile games in general have a pretty bad trend that needs to go addressed soon, somewhat hoping myself that there'll be a renaissance of genuinely good games on the app store that cause some sort of market shift, because the state of things right now ain't so hot!
I played it around when it first came out, and always wanted to play it way more often, and even now, but my phone never had enough storage, and I live in an area where signal and wifi are poor, so it would hardly load enough for me to play thoroughly anyway 😢
Hopefully you'll get the chance to pick it up one day!
Not my dumbass believing in 2019 that they'd add (some) Pocket Camp items to NH... I loved the creativity in PC and even a lot of the F2P items were gorgeous. I don't spend on mobile games usually. I haven't in PC either, but still, it offers a lot to an active F2P player. My campsite looks/looked absolutely gorgeous. I haven't played since NH released and I'm busy playing ACNL atm. But I surely will return to PC one day, it's fun and isn't nearly as bad regarding cash grabs than MANY other mobile games.
I'm holding out hope they at least put a set PC sets into the next game! I think the main issue they had with doing it in NH was the artstyle change, given it probably made directly moving across things less viable.
It was nice to play waiting for NH to release but it's quickly grew old after so much waiting, though I did wish I could bring my items from that to NH. It did feel weird the villagers only became friends once you accommodate their needs though
Yeah, last time I checked I don't usually make friends by gifting them three pieces of furniture!
@@Neremik2 Oh I meant for them to even visit you lmao it was weird needing 3 retro furniture ruining my entire vibe
I also really enjoy pocket camp, i love all of the little features and I enjoy the daily tasks far more than I enjoy New Horizons daily tasks! Pocket camp was actually my first AC game because ei never had a game cube or any other console that housed Animal Crossing so when ACNH came out I was so excited because I became invested after ACPC!
Seems that Pocket Camp introduced a lot more people to the series than I'd thought! Glad to hear you enjoyed it so much!
I used to play this game 10 hrs at a time during early 2020 pandemic but after I picked up new horizons I stopped really playing it besides a few times for nostalgia and to get over nh burnout
That's fair, I think a lot of people also jumped to NH from Pocket Camp when it came out and never really looked back all that much!
I'm just playing it since my 3DS is being repaired, and it's actually not that bad. I could see myself playing it along with New Leaf
Fun fact, allegedly Pocket Camp was designed to be a companion app to the Welcome Amiibo update! Honestly, I wish they'd have kept some sort of crossover functionality as I think it would've been pretty cool!
Love your video, and I haven't even finished watching.
Happy to hear you enjoyed, and I agree! I think as far as making a mobile Animal Crossing game, the Pocket Camp team knocked it out of the park!
I tried Pocket Camp when it was released but had never played an Animal Crossing game before so I didn't get into it. But when I got massively into New Horizons, I decided to redownload Pocket Camp and have been playing it almost every day since then (going on 3 years.. holy). I also use the happy helper plan because it's really affordable and it lets me have my favourite villager follow me around and help me out. Especially helpful for resources and event resources.
The helper plan is easily the best of the lot! The amount you get for the price is a steal.
@@Neremik2 I really enjoyed this video! I never see anyone talk about Pocket Camp, especially in a good way - lots of people I've seen touch on it just point out all the micro transaction elements (which are so optional and I virtually never notice or use them).
Nicole Delville-Burke Yeah! A lot of people usually only afford a passing glance at Pocket Camp and make their judgement based in that, which is a shame. While microtransactions are an aspect of the game, they're practically all anyone talks about!
amazing content, pal! ty for this video! you captured what that game is so clearly, a lot of nostalgia from your essay
Crazy to think the game's going on 6 years old now! Thank you for the kind words!
10:02 Scavenger hunts... The bane of my existence. I hate these events!
Oh, totally! While they offer the most variety out of the 3 main events, they certainly could do with some tweaking because some of those requirements are HARD to hit!
@@Neremik2 IKR? It takes the most efforts to complete compared to the other two.
@c0mpu73rguy in part I think that's because it isn't limited to just one area, so searching every area alone already takes signicantly longer than the garden and tourney events. On top of that, some of those items have pretty high requirements! On top of that you need to wait for the item to craft as well. Pretty out there compared to the others.
New Horizons was my first Animal Crossing, but I started Pocket Camp last September and, in a lot of ways, I do prefer it over NH.
And, as far as the Leaf Tickets go, I think the free to get ones have a very well balanced free progress receival rate - if there's something high priced I want, it doesn't take me too long to get. I think it could certainly be very predatory for certain types of players, for most it will be a fine option to have.
I agree! I've learned overtime to be really picky with what I spend my leaf tickets on, and it's generally meant that the free ones I get serve me just fine!
I will say though, I have been trying to get a building (one of an four it has) out of the Dobi cookie the past week or so only to keep getting the same damn tree out of them every time I save up 50 leaf tickets to spend on one and that's a pretty frustrating push towards spending real money to buy the bulk cookie order.
I don't even have the real money for that, though, so I'll have to keep powering through.
Finally someone is taking about this. I've been playing since the game came out and it's good to see other people care about it
The main inspiration was because I felt that it wasn't being spoken about too! Glad to hear I was able to fill the void a bit!
I've started to write a comment here like 6 times and just have to agree to disagree with a lot of what you've said here. That said, in the interest of finding common ground, I do agree that New Horizons is awful. I think there's a reason that so many fans have had to look backwards, and there's more debate now than ever in which older AC game is the best and/or deserves more attention. I've been with the series since GC, but have found myself going back to New Leaf. Everyone has their own preferences, so no disrespect meant by this of course, but I think it's just interesting that while most of us can't agree on which game is best, a lot of us agree that New Horizons is not what we wanted or expected.
That's fair, I'm aware Pocket Camp may just not be up some people's alley, and that's totally fine! That said, I totally agree! It's rare to see an almost unanimous agreement in a fandom that a single piece of mainline content isnt what they wanted/was dissapointing in retrospect. It's interesting watching the discourse that's generated and *hopefully* that leads to some of that feedback being taken onboard for the next entry!
Neremik has convinced me to play Pocket Camp again
Nintendo about to offer me a job on their marketing team lmao
@@Neremik2 Facts
I will say I didn’t really enjoy pocket camp, but I just didn’t know how to play it, it was just complicated to me, maybe I’ll revisit it sometime to actually play and enjoy it
I think learning everything can be a bit overwhelming, and the game probably needs a bit more of a revised tutorial that covers all the post launch features a little better. Still, I personally think your award for getting past that initial hill is more than worth it!
I’ve played pocket camp nearly every day since it released
It's great to hear you're still sticking with it! It really is a good mobile game!
I played every single AC games since the gamecube, yes even amiibo festival, which I didn't really enjoy. I played PC as a distraction until NH came out, and now I've gone back to PC because I'm utterly bored of NH. I like both for different reasons, but NH felt so limited while PC had much more designs and flavour from day 1. Idk I just ended up enjoying PC more, and it's way nicer to play on my daily commute versus bringing my expensive switch out on the bus/train lol.
When it comes to gameplay, I think Pocket Camp is much more fulfilling to play in short bursts like on a commute, as that's how it's designed!
I get why it's slept on, but they should give it a try
I can't even download this game. >=(
I just got pocket camp and have been enjoying it. I didn't know it existed until about a week ago
Glad to hear you've been enjoying it!
ive been coming in and out of the game for several years and havent spent ANY money on it. granted the game never came to my country so the APKs i download wont let me use the shop, but even then the game hands out leaf tickets at a decent rate. if you ignore fortune cookie collecting youre still left with a meaty ftp game. they converted AC to mobile as best as they could, it honestly makes me wish i COULD spend money cause i enjoy the gameplay loop
Combined with the ~10 you get from login bonuses every week, what you'll get from levelling up and the free stuff in the planner for the events, it's a pretty steady rate! I think it's also pretty commendable that the stuff people would want to prioritize like the extra crafting slots are pretty cheap all things considered.
I've been playing it since launch almost and I've got a lot of fortune cookie exclusive items just from being lucky and getting them from Timmy and Tommys cart for bells. Like quite a bit. And it helps they get restocked every year too so you always have second chances of having them appear again. (Oh and the gifts help a lot too just add a lot of random ppl on ur friends and send them gifts and usually they will send back, and you can get fortune cookies that way too)
@OrcinusOrca1995 Oh yeah, I should've put a bit more emphasis on it in the video but gifts are easily the most helpful thing for getting cookie and other items. The cookie you get from them might be random, but the fact you can stockpile and recieve so many is genuinely so cool!
wow really good video! I got back into the game recently, hadn't played since the release. it's so good now! Crazy it's still getting updates and horizons isn't.
They may be different teams developing things, but it is still a bit of a surprise regardless!