Fantastic reviews! That last part about Ogden seems to me to talk more about his position as an analyst rather than an 'absolute truth'. I think many analysts make sweeping generalisations that might not always be accurate to every clinical situation or therapists. Anyway wonderful video!
Thank you! You're right, he even says himself at the end of that chapter that all he presents are ideas. It definitely has much more to do with my own insecurity than any presumed dogmatism on his side. I should probably point that out more!
@PsychodynamicPsychology I think it's an experience we all go through regardless of age or background. I know I felt insecure as well in my firsts years of practice and would also spiral into doubt if a famous psychoanalyst advised against one of my therapeutic interventions ( even if only in writing). And I don't know of any clinician that didn't have a version of that. Anyway thanks again and have a great day!
I absolutely love Irvin Yalom, I have read a few of his books, the gift of therapy, obviously, his book on group therapy, and I am currently reading his foundational clinical manual on existential psychotherapy called Existential Psychotherapy. If you want a really deep dive into the tenants of existential psychotherapy and how they relate to other kinds of psychodynamic and (early) cognitive psychotherapy, it's well worth the read. Definitely should be in the library of any practicing clinician.
I haven't read his book on existential psychotherapy. Does it illuminate more of his way of conducting therapy in these case studies? Maybe then I should add it to my list :)
@@PsychodynamicPsychology So many case studies, all very illuminating in their own way. Although it is difficult to say whether or not the cases truly fit the theory, or whether the theory is used to conceptualize the case, if that makes sense. Regardless of how he comes to his conclusions about his cases, the fundamentals of existential psychotherapy really provide a good base for understanding anxiety from a deep psychodynamic perspective. And if you are one to believe that anxiety is the common thread that connects all mental health issues, then the first 6 chapters on Death and Death Anxiety are incredibly enlightening.
It's interesting because I also have encountered authors and books that no matter how many times I attempt to read, I simply cannot finish and make any sense of whatsoever.
Question: Do you feel that the academic background prior to training at a psychoanalytic institute matters much? Meaning, does being a psychologist, psychiatrist, master's level therapist, PMHNP, etc matter in terms of how well you absorb the content and/or perform psychoanalytic psychotherapy?
Not at all, I enjoyed my psychology degree but it didn't help me much to truly study psychodynamic theory and therapy in depth. It requires an open mind, great intellectual curiosity, and emotional stamina to endure a lot of difficulty. I hope that helps!
Hi, thank you for this great video 🎉. I have a question for you; do you know/read books about Philip Bromberg? If yes, what do you think about his theory? Bye ❤
@PsychodynamicPsychology oh yes, he is consider 1 of most influent/important psychoanalyst in relational psychoanalysis. His most important books are; " Standing in the space" "Awakening the Dreamer" and "The Shadow of the Tsunami". ( Also the pdm's 2 author agree with him). ( I recommend you also Jessica Benjamin for her femminist contribute to psychoanalysis) sorry for my english 🥲🤗
Hm... I don't consider myself a fast reader and am very aware of all the things I still don't understand - which are so many! On that note, even worse are the things I think I understand but then later find out I didn't get at all. My response to Ogden's chapter is a good example. Overall I'd say I just love to read though and do my best to stay curious.
As you introduced the first book, I found myself wanting to suggest you read Kohut’s papers first, but then you spoke of coming upon one by happenstance! I also struggle with Kohut and I generally have to read someone else’s interpretation of him and then go BACK to the source material in order to better grasp his concepts. For Yalom, I was incredibly immersed in his work until I got to the Fat Lady chapter in this book. I understand your point about the year of publication, but imagine replacing “fat” with any other marginalized group - say Jewish or Black - and I think it helps conceptualize how hostile his CT is to those of us who’ve been on the front lines of the fat justice movement. Still, I appreciate his amended epilogue in later editions. I haven’t read that Ogden book yet, but I have read a few of the articles included. The book itself sounds quite interesting and perhaps a little adversarial 🙃 I’ll add it to my list 📚
Thank you so much for your elaborate comment, Heather! Haha, yes, I also came to learn that Kohut is best approached through his papers first and then quite a bit of secondary literature. I also found his biography very helpful to understand where he's coming from. I appreciate your feedback and remarks, they got me thinking and I see your point! What it reminds me to do is to see CT as something to examine in one's own analysis/supervision to identify areas that still require growth and change. I don't know if Ogden intended his book to be adversarial but at this point in my own training (and all the insecurities that will likely never go away) it touched a sensitive spot. I think it'll be something I'll come back to over the years to check in. This is definitely not a bad thing! Just something that got me thinking.
@@PsychodynamicPsychology There is a wonderful author based in the USA who has a few great introductory books on Lacanian psychoanalysis. His name is Bruce Fink.
Since beginning my training as an analyst in Brazil in 2019, I've come to realize that the works of Jacques Lacan are almost a necessary part of it. Here in Brazil, as well as in Argentina, Lacanian psychoanalysis has become the mainstream form, specially for those who are interested in a more critical leaning psychoanalysis.
Thanks for the video. If Yalom’s comments about fat ladies upset you, wait till you read what he says about growing up around black people. I’ve never heard anyone call him out on it. In regard to Ogden‘s statement about not wanting to lower a clients anxiety, I have not read the paper, but imagine that he thinks of anxiety as a state of readiness to change and does not want to ameliorate this, don’t you think? I can see it both ways. It’s on a case by case basis. I try to regulate people to the point where they are in their window of tolerance and can address their issues, but I can also see the harm in being overly placating which can sometimes speak more to the therapists anxiety than the clients need for support. What do you think?
My reaction to Ogden's chapter has a lot more to do with me than with what Ogden intended I assume. I think your understanding hits a lot more closely to what he meant!
Fantastic reviews! That last part about Ogden seems to me to talk more about his position as an analyst rather than an 'absolute truth'. I think many analysts make sweeping generalisations that might not always be accurate to every clinical situation or therapists. Anyway wonderful video!
Thank you! You're right, he even says himself at the end of that chapter that all he presents are ideas. It definitely has much more to do with my own insecurity than any presumed dogmatism on his side. I should probably point that out more!
@PsychodynamicPsychology I think it's an experience we all go through regardless of age or background. I know I felt insecure as well in my firsts years of practice and would also spiral into doubt if a famous psychoanalyst advised against one of my therapeutic interventions ( even if only in writing). And I don't know of any clinician that didn't have a version of that. Anyway thanks again and have a great day!
@ Thank you for your thoughful words. It seems to indeed be a (fair) price to pay for truly meaningful work and growing as a clinician 🍀
I get so excited about your videos. I absolutely enjoy them ❤
Thank you for your kind words 🙏
I absolutely love Irvin Yalom, I have read a few of his books, the gift of therapy, obviously, his book on group therapy, and I am currently reading his foundational clinical manual on existential psychotherapy called Existential Psychotherapy. If you want a really deep dive into the tenants of existential psychotherapy and how they relate to other kinds of psychodynamic and (early) cognitive psychotherapy, it's well worth the read. Definitely should be in the library of any practicing clinician.
I haven't read his book on existential psychotherapy. Does it illuminate more of his way of conducting therapy in these case studies? Maybe then I should add it to my list :)
It does just that and he is an extraordinary writer.
@@PsychodynamicPsychology So many case studies, all very illuminating in their own way. Although it is difficult to say whether or not the cases truly fit the theory, or whether the theory is used to conceptualize the case, if that makes sense. Regardless of how he comes to his conclusions about his cases, the fundamentals of existential psychotherapy really provide a good base for understanding anxiety from a deep psychodynamic perspective. And if you are one to believe that anxiety is the common thread that connects all mental health issues, then the first 6 chapters on Death and Death Anxiety are incredibly enlightening.
You have an incredible ability to synthesize complex terminology into very understandable language ala McWilliams. Your channel is truly wonderful!
Thank you so much, that is such a kind and beyond generous compliment! This means a lot to me 🙏
Again Alina thank you for your work
Thank you for your kind words 🙏
Super interesting! Haven't read those books yet, I'm taking notes. May I suggest some Bion in the mix? 👀
I do have Bion on my list and hope to dare to actually dive into his work this year :) If I will, I'll share it on here!
It's interesting because I also have encountered authors and books that no matter how many times I attempt to read, I simply cannot finish and make any sense of whatsoever.
They exist for all of us :D
Question: Do you feel that the academic background prior to training at a psychoanalytic institute matters much? Meaning, does being a psychologist, psychiatrist, master's level therapist, PMHNP, etc matter in terms of how well you absorb the content and/or perform psychoanalytic psychotherapy?
If u are passionate about the study you will catch up with everything (and more). As I did. 🍀💚
Not at all, I enjoyed my psychology degree but it didn't help me much to truly study psychodynamic theory and therapy in depth. It requires an open mind, great intellectual curiosity, and emotional stamina to endure a lot of difficulty. I hope that helps!
Yes, Irena 🙌😊
@@PsychodynamicPsychology What was your psych degree going into the program? Masters? PHD? Bachelor's?
@@xCharismatix In Germany I needed a Masters degree to enter the psychotherapy training, which is another 3-5 years of full-time program.
Hi, thank you for this great video 🎉. I have a question for you; do you know/read books about Philip Bromberg? If yes, what do you think about his theory? Bye ❤
I don’t know him and haven’t read any of his book. Is there anything of his you’d recommend? Thank you!
@PsychodynamicPsychology oh yes, he is consider 1 of most influent/important psychoanalyst in relational psychoanalysis. His most important books are; " Standing in the space" "Awakening the Dreamer" and "The Shadow of the Tsunami". ( Also the pdm's 2 author agree with him). ( I recommend you also Jessica Benjamin for her femminist contribute to psychoanalysis) sorry for my english 🥲🤗
@@hsbwuab Thank you for the recommendations! I've started reading Benjamin's Bonds of Love some time ago, fascinating stuff.
Great video! Thaks for reviews and warm personal style!
Thank you for your kind words 🙏 I'm glad to hear you liked it!
How do you read and learn so fast?
Hm... I don't consider myself a fast reader and am very aware of all the things I still don't understand - which are so many! On that note, even worse are the things I think I understand but then later find out I didn't get at all. My response to Ogden's chapter is a good example. Overall I'd say I just love to read though and do my best to stay curious.
As you introduced the first book, I found myself wanting to suggest you read Kohut’s papers first, but then you spoke of coming upon one by happenstance! I also struggle with Kohut and I generally have to read someone else’s interpretation of him and then go BACK to the source material in order to better grasp his concepts.
For Yalom, I was incredibly immersed in his work until I got to the Fat Lady chapter in this book. I understand your point about the year of publication, but imagine replacing “fat” with any other marginalized group - say Jewish or Black - and I think it helps conceptualize how hostile his CT is to those of us who’ve been on the front lines of the fat justice movement. Still, I appreciate his amended epilogue in later editions.
I haven’t read that Ogden book yet, but I have read a few of the articles included. The book itself sounds quite interesting and perhaps a little adversarial 🙃
I’ll add it to my list 📚
Thank you so much for your elaborate comment, Heather! Haha, yes, I also came to learn that Kohut is best approached through his papers first and then quite a bit of secondary literature. I also found his biography very helpful to understand where he's coming from.
I appreciate your feedback and remarks, they got me thinking and I see your point! What it reminds me to do is to see CT as something to examine in one's own analysis/supervision to identify areas that still require growth and change.
I don't know if Ogden intended his book to be adversarial but at this point in my own training (and all the insecurities that will likely never go away) it touched a sensitive spot. I think it'll be something I'll come back to over the years to check in. This is definitely not a bad thing! Just something that got me thinking.
What about some Lacan?
Too difficult for me at this point!
@@PsychodynamicPsychology There is a wonderful author based in the USA who has a few great introductory books on Lacanian psychoanalysis. His name is Bruce Fink.
Since beginning my training as an analyst in Brazil in 2019, I've come to realize that the works of Jacques Lacan are almost a necessary part of it. Here in Brazil, as well as in Argentina, Lacanian psychoanalysis has become the mainstream form, specially for those who are interested in a more critical leaning psychoanalysis.
Thanks for the video. If Yalom’s comments about fat ladies upset you, wait till you read what he says about growing up around black people. I’ve never heard anyone call him out on it. In regard to Ogden‘s statement about not wanting to lower a clients anxiety, I have not read the paper, but imagine that he thinks of anxiety as a state of readiness to change and does not want to ameliorate this, don’t you think? I can see it both ways. It’s on a case by case basis. I try to regulate people to the point where they are in their window of tolerance and can address their issues, but I can also see the harm in being overly placating which can sometimes speak more to the therapists anxiety than the clients need for support. What do you think?
My reaction to Ogden's chapter has a lot more to do with me than with what Ogden intended I assume. I think your understanding hits a lot more closely to what he meant!