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I always enjoy watching your videos. Thank you for all of the information. I plan to visit Thailand in 2 years and then move permanently in 2030. I am a lesbian and I want to know, is there a way to meet other lesbian Thai woman online while I am in the U.S.?
I’ve only dated one Thai woman I met here working in 2009 when she was a 19 year old college intern. Celebrating 15 years together and 13 happy years of marriage. Never seen her raise her voice or get upset in all those years. Takes great care of me and I reciprocate. I think living in the U.S. for 11 years before moving back here really helped her understand our western culture. It also helped that she’s college educated with a business and finance degree and was fluent in English when we first met. Now after all these years of thinking she couldn’t conceive, we are expecting a daughter in July! A dad again at 64. 32 year age difference and it’s made no difference whatsoever over the years. Their paradigm of money is a bit different and you do need to educate them a bit on that, but it’s not really ever been a point of contention for us. I’m fortunate to be very well off financially and her wants have always been very basic. I do help her family from time to time. But I also took their college educated daughter out of the workforce as I don’t expect her to work. It took a lot for her family to send her to college so if you’re going to take their daughter away along with her income, of course you need to compensate for that in this culture. I take pride in providing well for my entire family. To me it’s what makes us valuable to a good woman and she will love you for it. That’s not just a Thai thing. Joy you are very beautiful! You’re being too humble. You’re a lucky guy Randy! I think you know that though!
Well done! You both handled a potentially difficult and sensitive subject with information and dignity. Tough to do and you did it humor and real world experience. Top!
You’re a cute couple and we can tell you are open and honest with each other which is so important if you want a lasting relationship. It’s so informative to hear a Thai lady’s perspective since it is rare on UA-cam. I’ll be looking forward to your next video.
Great video. Randy you’re very fortunate in meeting Joy. I plan on moving to S.E. Asia in a couple of years, maybe I will be lucky enough to meet someone like her.
Hi Joy and Randy. About 3 weeks ago I posted a long comment about this topic and I don't want to repeat myself here again. Suffice to say that in this video Joy made excellent explanations about expectations of Thai women in a mixed relationships. She was spot on and very sincere. Emotions are more important than money and at the same time you got to cover essentials. She said food on the table, which is particularly appropriate to Thais as their main pleasure relates to food . I have to add something about the provision of financial support which is essentially a cultural trait . In Thailand ,generally speaking the men are the breadwinners. The women are domestic managers . This is a couple arrangement which works well if everything aligns in other respects . One problem could crop up between the two parties if for whatever reason the man begins to feel he is taken advantage of or taken for granted . Usually this is expressed as being a walking ATM. Somehow this needs to be sorted out early in the relationship so when needs crop up for support, be it for her or her family , limits are set with some leeways. Many ,many times pressures are on daughters by the extended family for more support and she'll feel like the meat in the sandwich. She'll have conflicting loyalty issues . In a second marriage with a foreign guy she will probably have a pecking order where parents and any children she has maybe ahead of the husband . No by choice but by customs and pressures . In my opinion the foreign husband should make it clear to the Thai wife and through her,to her family , the perimeters of the financial help he is able to provide . This would head off any excessive expectations of the Thai partner and her family . Thais see Western men as rich, or in any case , hope so . The concept of rich depends what you're used to. It varies among Thais. Obviously it varies among us too and we tend to be more cautious in finances than Thais . There is a very bad domestic debt crisis in Thailand whereby people are owing a lot of money due to bad financial management . Before you make a commitment to a Thai lady you should find out her financial situation. Joy also made a very good point about what kind of men are preferred. Not "butterflies". They already had Thai men who cheated and abandoned them. They don't want a repeat experience . There is a lot more to a successful mixed relationship with different cultures . The ability to be tolerant , compromising and adapting will help . From both partners . The idea that you should abandon your culture in favour of hers because you live in Thailand is not fair. It should be a mutual meeting of cultures where both partners still maintain their essential traits. After all that's why you were attracted to each other.
Wow. I've told you before I think, you should be doing these videos instead of me, 555. You are much more insightful. As always, Tom, incredibly articulate comment, and very helpful to those who read it. I'm going to steal your "sandwich" line about how a Thai woman can feel with conflicting obligations and loyalties, between family and husband, with some families.
Yes, he is very insightful on Thai culture I have found. And I appreciate his comments above. And your video and joy... You did a good job the two of you.
Hello Tom, this is an a good channel happy I found. As you know I never experienced most of what you say however very aware it exists. The few Thai women I have known their family is more concerned about their happiness and wish they find a good partner. Just serendipity of whom I have met and always appreciate your views so I understand the lay of the land surrounding me. For my health and simpke life we are looking at the Ban Krut area to live. Wish you are doing well avoiding that cremation urn. Take care 🙏
@@smileoften-ft3hq if it's Ban Krut ,south of Hua Hin,it looks good. Away from the tourism area and serene with Beach and Mountain and Big Buddha to practice Vipassana . Should be healthy for body and mind . Go for it .👍
Great content & looking forward to part 2. You both are naturals in front of the camera. Honesty, love, generosity & commitment are all part of a harmonious relationship. So happy you have found each other🙏👍
I love you both for the thoughtfulness and goodwill contained in your videos. Thank you. There's always something to learn and think about in them. From a soon to be retiree in the kingdom
I'm an old single guy moving to Chiang Mai in July. Thing is, unlike the stereotype, I am not going looking for a relationship or dating. I won't avoid it, of course, and should I meet a woman I like that would be nice, but if I remain single the rest of my life and enjoying the Thai culture and all it offers, well that's nice too. Not a girl bar kind of guy, so that definitely doesn't apply to me. Thanks for this, I'll definitely keep it all in mind should I meet a woman I like.
If you plan to enjoy the Thai culture, I hope you get used to being xenophobic. There are many dark sides to Thai culture for which few westerners really know. You might want to read articles from Thais who have been exiled from Thailand for speaking the truth.
Your the kind of "old guy" that I find inspirational. Go for peace of mind and enjoyment but also open minded should she find you. Good luck on your travels sir. I'll be a year behind you. (BTW, what are your plans for the burning season? I'm quite worried about that as i don't think I could tolerate it).
I moved to Thailand after my wife of 58 years passed away. Was not looking for a serious relationship, but one happened. Have been with my loving Thai wife for six years and could not be happier.
That was one of the best videos I’ve ever seen. Having your girlfriend give her Thai thoughts was gold! I can’t wait for the next vid. BTW, after a horrible divorce; I have been in Thailand and for 2 years and didn’t date. But, I’d love to find a real Thai woman like your girlfriend! Gives one hope.
That was fantastic, thank you for your honest and refreshing insight Joy. I look forward to your next video. I have many, many Thai friends and they never give such insights, but that ไม่เป็นไร.
Great video as always! Always a pleasure so see a new video from the both of you! Next year I come to retire in the land of smiles. So your videos are very welcome. Thanks!
Where have you been!!?? We have missed you!!! I guess that's an indication of just how much we have come to enjoy all of your content. And BTW, thanks for mentioning LGB relationships... most content creators fail to mention the tricky ( and often dangerous/"illegal") aspects of simply living our lives in most SEA countries. As always, will eagerly await your next video. Ciao!
As usual very informative. I have been with my Thai partner for 4 years. She is 35 and I am 61. We are both very happy and have a very loving relationship. What you say is spot on.
Thanks Randy and Joy for such an honest and insightful video - certainly better than many of the Reddit threads I’ve been reading. I recently met a woman on ThaiFriendly and spent time with her in Pattaya and her home town of Buri Ram. I have all the concerns you’d expect and my family and friends are convinced I’m being scammed. I’m now back in UK and understanding the perspective of the Thai woman about a genuine relationship is really helpful to me. Hopefully my woman is like Joy and is genuinely interested in a relationship with me! We shall see 🙏🏼
Good luck. It can be hard to know what is real, especially with cultural differences. But time is usually a good judge. Hard for someone to hide themselves for more than a year...
Great video. I’m looking forward the next ones. I met my wife in Chiang Mai and she came back to the US with me. We will retire there in about 5 years.
Thanks for your nice comment. We did a video called I think, Falling in Love in Chiang Mai, about 18 months ago, more than a year anyway, so you could look through our videos and find it.
What a brilliant video! My brother lives in Hua hin and I'm communicating with a couple of girls on a dating platform...This has laid some of my fears to rest..
Great Lee. Hua Hin is a nice place btw. Joy and I did a vide of our visit there. Good luck in your dating. Did you see my "Freelancers VS nice girlfriend video? Some helpful stuff in there too. Best wishes!
Omg...so funny video😂 i was in TH in Feb. Had a blast. Retiring next yr and will visit for a few months. Scuba diving and friendly culture were big draws for me
Randy and Joy, have you ever read the book "Thailand Fever" (roadmap for Thai-Western Relationships)? If so, do you find it accurate? I found it after I returned home. I also bought a copy for my Thai GF because the left side of the book is written in English, and the right side is written in Thai. It's good to have the same information in the native language. You and Joy could write an updated book in a simular fashion. I would buy it!
Cannot say how much I loved the opening! Hilarious with you doing your Falang Thai bit and Joy doing the ‘stereotypical’ Thai woman bit. Informative sure but as always greatly entertaining with a positive vibe 😄
You two produce such perceptive and informative videos. As a recently widowed, older Englishman planning to live in Chiang Mai (except during the burning season!) your content is a hugely valuable addition to my own experience staying there for 2 months earlier this year.
Hi Randy and Joy, another interesting video, just a cheeky question are there bars in Chiang Mai popular with nurses.? I am very fragile from previous experience over the last 9 yrs but on my next visit which is really more about learning about Chiang Mai for my retirement but would be nice to have friends and company for meals and drinks
Great video! I am an American woman in my 50s who lived in Chiang Mai for many years. I think your video was accurate and realistic. I have many farang male friends happily partnered with Thai women. Joy, you are very smart and funny! The two of you are a great couple! I moved back to the U.S. in 2017 for love, and we plan to move to Chiang Mai in the next few years.
I am coming back to Thailand this week for 3 months .I was there only 7 weeks ago where I met a lady who was a bar girl. we spent 4 weeks together and have been talking every day whilst I am back in Australia so she is waiting for my return. She has gone back to her family in Korat while I have been home .So I am going back to see where the relationship is going to go so your video was fantastic it gave me a insight into what Im in for. We are the age so it hit home. Thanks Dave
Thanks, David. It is a tough call with bar girls. Many likely come from villages and/or poor families and they do the work they can, and many send support to families. But the Pretty Woman scenario that is imbedded in many of us westerners can be illusive. I've heard of guys who have created real relationships with bar girls - and bar girls come in many levels of professionalism in what services they provide and how often and to how many - but for many men and women from that world it can be a tough road ahead. When relationships start with money, it can be hard to turn into a real lasting and healthy relationship. Trying to me helpful and hope I am not coming across as offensive. Good luck to you and if this does not work out, try meeting normal Thai women: the nurse you meet at the hospital, the clerk in a store...
Hey Joy and Randy !! I just found your UA-cam channel today and subscribed. Your love and complicity is so beautifull and so evident !! It's a pleasure to see that. What's more, as I'm a french man, I practice my english thanks to you. I'll come to thaïland at the end of june for a month, and I'm impatient to be there !! Thanks for your full of joy videos, it's so inspiring for me.
Vous etes tres gentil. Je vous merci. I love France and lived a year in Nice in my early 20s and was an English teacher, and I visit there and Paris often until 7 years go when I stitched to Chiang Mai, originally because my daughter moved there. I love speaking French, or trying to anyway. Thanks for your very nice comments. Joy and I swnd our thanks. Maybe bump into you in town in June...
Nice to see more of Joy in your video......Good video......If you do the next video with the subject matter you indicated......you may move from a travel channel to a dating "How To" UA-cam channel.......Smile......Keep on doing what you are doing and we'll see how your channel evolves......
Hey guys great vidio and interesting subject just returned from a month trip to Thailand very enjoyable. Loved the fact that you can enjoy the company of women with no strings attached. This is perfect for me as just want to have a good time whilst travelling and for the girls its a financial arrangement that they are happy with. Looking forward to your next vidio about the subject. Thanks
Thanks for this perspective. I am living in the USA with my Thai wife of 17 years. We have been in the US for 10 years. We are returning to Thailand full time this summer. My wife and two step daughters have their US citizenship giving them more options in life.
I want to commend the both of you for having the confidence in your relationship to make this vide. You were lucky to meet ,you seem to make make a great team. Now I know why you have the time to respond sometimes to my comments as you don't have enough followers on youtube. Still here following you from France.
Hello Randy and Joy. That was a great video and covered many of the things westerners think about and Joy covered the things that thai women have on their minds. It was covered in an instructional way and no one felt put off with your comments. And fellas you might find some bad thai ladies, but don't give up. I found bad, but I met my own good lady named Joy 😊.
This is just awesome content you don't see anywhere else. Like you said, all the other channels just talk about all the horror stories. Granted, there's some truth to it, but it's good to know that it's possible to find and date real Thai women as well and build something that's genuine.
Damn interesting and great perspectives. Your focus was on dating, but one aspect not stated was marriage. Does Joy and other Thai girls consider marriage the goal and not just a long term relationship?
loved to see Joy taking the lead in this one. Joy, you are a beautiful woman, do not doubt yourself. interesting content. look forrward to the next one
really intelligent and sincere video, from a very pleasant couple. i have spent 40+ years in and around asia. your words apply to other cultures too, as you said. i would say that, in a broad brush, modern-era western women proceed from a feeling of entitlement whereas asian women proceed from responsibility. thank you, you deserve way more subscribers.
Great interview and conversation. We can see you are a well-connected couple. My insight is that the foreigners who fail or complain it’s just a transactional relationship search their partners at the wrong place or come to Thailand mainly to have fun, but fall in love with the wrong type of girl. You have a better chance of having a great relationship in Thailand when you come with a long-term mindset and take the actions needed.
Hi It’s all about communication that’s why relationships fail you cannot build a solid base without communication and understanding so you are a very lucky couple thank for the video
Started watching you guys a few months ago & your communication skills are excellent and I enjoy your content, I visit Thailand every year and can see myself settling there, perhaps with a nice Thai lady, not to young, best wishes. Graham UK
Nothing is more beautiful to me than gorgeous morena skin, almond shaped eyes and the soft pleasant personality of most SE Asian women. I have been to Thailand 30 times since 2005 and I never get tired of listening to a Thai woman speak Thai (but not the way Joy did when she was the angry girlfriend).
i had a truly beautiful vietnamese girlfriend who was 20 years younger than me (she won a beauty contest in Vietnam and became a minor celebrity after we started our relationship). however, the major hurdle was money. I never gave any of my girlfriends money. my female Asian friends all told me it was the cultural norm for a boyfriend to financially support his girlfriend if she needed help. I'm glad i listened to their advice/perspective. while we were together, I felt like the happiest man in the world due to her femininity and inner beauty. I hope other western men realize this is a big cultural difference. most western men frown on sugaring relationships but it's very common throughout Asia including Japan and Korea.
Helping your partner when she is lower income is just normal life, in the USA or SE Asia. There is a big difference between being a sugar daddy and helping your GF or wife with life's costs and hurdles. She helps in her own ways.
Hello folks. You look like a great couple. There are too many negative stories on the internet about bad relations between Thai women and western men. We need more positive relationship stories. I have a wonderful partner in Mae rim and feel very fortunate being with her in an exciting city and truly amazing culture. Cheers.
Question for Joy - I started an online friendship with a woman from Chiang Mai. She speaks little English but not much, so our conversations are not deep. It’s been several months, we say hello and good night almost every day. She’s started saying “I love you” and “I miss you”. I’m confused about what she means. We’ve never been together although I plan to visit in January. Can you help me interpret what she’s saying? Thank you.
Joy says: You are her hope and her future, so she wants to motivate you to come. But feelings of love can't really be stated until you meet in person. I will add that this is not uncommon in Thailand so move slowly.
I am 74, and am a retired single American seriously considering moving to Thailand for the rest of my life. I don't have financial worries but have some illnesses for which I might need specialized care from doctors and hospitals. Can I talk to you or someone else to get a better understanding of my options? I would like to make my move before the end of 2024. Many thanks for creating honest and interesting videos!
Sounds like the key for you is health care, which is truly excellent and affordable, but also insurance, which is not really viable re pre-existing conditions and getting to your age. In my Why We Leave there is a excellent ins agent listed you can contact to get a real view. There is excellent care facilities, quite affordable, for you to check out for down the road. Or some just hire a live in woman to cook, clean and care for you.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Can you give me the contact info of the insurance agent and I will contact them? As you said, insurance may not be a viable option for me and if so, I will self-insure. I just want to "escape" the toxic environment in USA!. As to live in helpers, are they available easily? Thank you.
A well made video & enjoyed watching this. I met my gf online as you know December 21. I visited her in bkk October 22 for 2 weeks .. then it was great and we got on well & better , I rolled the dice & as I said before , got off the ‘hamster 🐹 on a wheel ‘ & moved here March 23.. so far so good. She knows the score with money. I help her for sure financially but not extravagantly , I told her from the outset I am not a money tree. She enjoys working & earns modestly but contributes a fair bit , we are pretty happy so far .. 🙏
@@RetiredGlobalLife yep agreed. Thank you 🙏, Knowing where the land lies is crucial , I’m kind hearted , generous but sensible & no fool , love can be blind they say but .. 😀
Being an Africa American moving to Thailand you didn't really talk about how Thai women feel about black men? Are they predominantly attracted to white westerners? Very good and informative video. You guys seem like a great couple!
Thanks and good question. Hard to discuss all issues. The blunt answer is that being a westerner of any color seems to be seen as a plus. You are perceived as more worldly, educated and successful. But their odd desire for extreme whiteness seems to mean that they admire the whitest people, even among Thais, the most. Of course, all this is general.
@@RetiredGlobalLife I do understand the whiteness thing in Asian culture as I was married to a Filipina for 7 years. I laughed when you guys talked about it because I know how true it is. Keep up the great work!
I'm a Thai woman but my fears are usually that my partner will eventually replace me for someone younger and prettier. Since there are plenty of those women available in Thailand and it would be so easy for him to just do that. It would devaste me though since I've been with him for 8 years but my beauty has started to fade over the years. Actually, not even replace but him being discontent because I'm no longer young and as attractive as I once was.
I'm sure he is aging too and hopefully realizes that. I think it is often looks which initially catch our eye with finding a partner, but once you have a relationship, if it is solid and filled with love, I'd hope no one's eyes wander. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think commitment and dedication are what a man values most once he has chosen his partner.
I believe you. Unfortunately each woman I met in countryside ask what they get to date me before we even get to know each other. I will never date in Thailand. Instead so many available without that attitude in Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam. The dating in these countries is much better for me in these countries
Great video, my thai wife Jeejee 47 and me an American 70 years .We agree with you guys content 👏 But please.. the no money on hony is true all around the world. If you cant support your "family " you need to stay single.
I really like your video. I watched a lot of content creators in the past. Acting very disrespextfull. It's simple ...you have bad and good people all over the world. Generalizing is so wrong. This video was wholesome to see. Made with respect and seen from both sides . I wish you the best and now i'll binge watch all your content 😁. Subbed 👍. Ow, before i forget ..i'm 46 and planning to relocate in the future . In februari i'll visit Korat region. Met finally someone online i think is worth the effort of meeting and spending time with. The last 6 months i learned a lot about Thailand. Traditions,culture and so on. I also learned that takling to other people in my country about relocating ...they judge very fast without knowing. I Ignore them. I'll relocate ...if i meet someone or not. But you'll know the saying...happiness is only real when shared😉. The best to you both and greetz from Belgium🙏.
Interesting topic. I was in South East Asia, including Thailand, for two months recently and I spoke with a number of men and woman on the topic of skin color. The locals told me that light skin was a sign that the person most likely worked in an office setting instead of as farmer or outdoor laborer. Therefore they equated skin color with higher economic status. I did not get a sense that a dark skinned man would be shunned by Asian women. As an expat what been your observation?
No, it sounds crass to even discuss, but the reality is in general, a westerner is seen as a higher rank of person, much like the caste system in many countries. That applies to westerns of all colors. But white westerners are elevated by many even more so. I'm not saying it is fair or right it is just what most Thais will tell you.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Thanks for the response. I was taken aback by all of the skin whitening products in the Philippines and Thailand. Some people were even taking medications regularly to keep their skin artificially lighter. Seems ironic when many of us in the West spend countless hours on the beach trying to get more tanned. LOL
@@gary4451I'd like to point out that a well tanned white man wouldn't have any problem with Thai women. A naturally coloured person is probably a lesser desired man. I think Randy alluded to this. Having said that I've seen quite a few such couples. Just like you see in other countries,in the US,UK,Australia, just to mention a few . But generally speaking given everything equal white is more preferable. When it comes to racial types,Japanese and Korean are well liked . Chinese are good too .
have been to Thailand quite a few times to visit my Aussie friends , most of them are in a happy relationship with a Thai lady . An interesting question was asked to me by their Thai partners . 1. How much do you earn & have you been married ( which I felt ok about answering and I did ) 2. How much money do you have in the bank ? - this question I was reluctant to answer , basically I felt that I was “ dropping my pants “ and being totally exposed - without not even met a lady & had any time or connection with Thanks Joy & Randy
That seems an odd question, yes. But I find Asian culture different. They talk of how much they paid for their houses, money details, as if to brad about their status, while we westerners consider it rude ask or brag about such things.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Morning Randy Thanks for the reply Certainly a culture thing - I’m not offended , we are all learning , but of course we need that little spark to start off and a connection - Happy Thursday to you both 👋👍🙏
I am Thai and more attracted to western men. I met my husband when I was 24 and he was 27. He was a young engineer and I was an international student in MBA program. He works as an engineer and I works in financial sales. We are both very financially independent but still share the same checking and saving account. I make more money than my white husband but that does not matter to me. We got two kids and been married for 23 years. I personally won’t get married with much older man that is just my things and please don’t take it personally. The most important thing is if each individual can be independent financially then no one can judge or say anything about you. It depends on family too. Sometimes, wife will just have to stay home to raise kids. So whatever it works for your family. I would not care what other people think. Just live your life .. lol .. they are not paying your bills. We live in the US and I can’t work in Thailand anymore. I am too westernized with a freedom of speech mindset ✌️ Although, it does hurt to hear people in the US said Thai girl married western guys for the sake of money. That is not always the case. So I show them the example of my marriage. I understand things people see and talk about but I just don’t want people to generalize that everybody is the same. ✌️
Joy is a beautiful woman; you’re a lucky guy 👍 I think the hard part for a westerner is meeting a woman who isn’t a bar girl. Whereas a western guy hears that the man is expected to support the woman’s family.
Thanks for Joy's compliment. Not hard to meet a non-bar girl if you spend time here with Thais and not just with westerners. Just living a normal life...
I have literally met about 8 Thai women in the last few years, online and in person when I was visiting the Kingdom, none of them are bar girls, not to my knowledge, most of them have jobs or their own businesses but they are still in debt or so they said. I have help most of them out of compassion. I didn’t hear from them once I told them that I wouldn’t send anymore money.. One of them is still texting me to try her luck. I guess perhaps it’s just my misfortune to experience all these bad vibes. It is quite true, no money no honey, to me it is so far. I will visit the Land of Smile again fairly soon. FYI, I’m the VIP in Remitly😂 Lastly, good show, thank you ❤
I think the Lanna Thai culture in the north might make for a better chance for a match between a westerner and a Thai lady. More of an old school view .
Don’t know whether you can or have made heads or tails of the Thai expat tax situation but that might really impact what you’re talking about here. Lots of good Thai women but that uncertainty does make me ponder coming there for a relationship .
Much fear about the tax law. I predict it will not affect 99% of expats or foreigners due to the double tax treaty. Only untaxed revenue in one's home country will be taxable in Thailand, not pensions. The gov is after rich Thais dodging taxes.
Nobody can give you an authoritative answer right now . Any tax payable won't kick in until March 2025. For the current fiscal year . We're in limbo now until it's tested . In the Thai system they often float an idea only to abandon it or tweek it In any case the announcement was about funds transferred to your thai bank from offshore . Will they ask banks to apply withholding tax? Then ask you to lodge tax a return to claw back funds they're not entitled to? Who knows and they mentioned subject to country tax treaties. They didn't clarify details . There are a lot of retirees here and more to come,maybe you , so I doubt they want to discourage this segment that's very beneficial to the country . That's why I think they'll tweek it and people who live here on the retirement funds or pensions won't have to lodge returns . I think this is probably about Thai citizens or dual citizens who earn money and don't want to pay taxes anywhere. Don't rely on any professional advice now as nobody knows anything for certain. Maybe next year it'll crytalise .. One defensive step you could take. Transfer funds to your Thai bank and clearly label it as capital/saving/ pension. Not income. It's still a grey area but we'll see. Other than that you could get a family member to send funds to you from their account and label it either loan or gift. My gut feeling is that they're not going to bother retirees. It would be commercial suicide .Imagine you want to retire here and want to buy a high end condo,say from a developer for 15 million baht and pay tax on it ar 35%.? The new PM is a real estate mogul, he would never allow this .
Nice and informative video. The real unknown is the woman's family. Sometimes she is great, but happens to have greed parents or siblings that are always strapped for money, and you end up getting into a problem. You cannot separate a Thai woman from her family. You should never ask her to chose between you and her family. You will lose this battle. So, before you fully commit, do your due diligence as much as possible. Don't ignore red flags. On a light note, be prepare to spend years convincing her that her tan skin is prettier than our pale complexion. 😀
I was just there on vacation in February and can see why most men feel like it is all about the money. Everyone I dealt with was very nice but it does seem like it is more about the money than a relationship. I realize what you are saying about everyone being different, but the hard hurdle I would have is wether they actually care about you or consider it a job and say what you want to hear to keep the job. In America the woman can still be expensive, but usually you have a conscience that you like each other. You just have to watch out for the gold diggers. My feeling is you just roll with a Thai girlfriend and just never know how they really feel about you as long as you are happy. I would be interested to know what both of you think on this topic. Thank you 🙏
Thailand is basically a poor country, so people there have basic needs westerners take for granted. A car is a luxury. You see mainly motorcycles mainly because it is affordable to the average person where a car is not. But I think the key is where you meet someone. I believe the average Thai woman you are not meeting in an "entertainment" venue, has great values, but due to their poor English and westerner lack of Thai, these women are not available to most western men.
Thank you so much for making this video and touching on the subject of skin color that most people are uncomfortable talking about. As an US American, skin color has been a part of the history of my country. What I have always understood is that it has been used as a caste system to maintain a hierarchy of status and wealth. There's a NY Times best seller written by Pulitzer prize-winning author called, "Caste: Origins of our Discontents." It explains the unspoken caste system in the USA that shapes our lives even at present day. I understand that skin color is part of Thai culture and Asian culture in general, but as a non-white I am put off by it and find it backward thinking. What I find profound is that much of that has been turned upside down. Caucasians are spending time and money altering themselves to asymalate brown people in looks and skin color. You have Asian cultures doing the opposite. From skin bleaching, long sleeve shirts, to umbrellas doing everything to keep the sun from darkening the skin. So, Caucasians want to appear more brown and Asians want to appear more white. I find it profound. Joy may have been somewhat joking, but I was really put off by the, "Just look at him. He's white. He's attractive." In my opinion, this is the same type of cultural brainwashing that has been a part of the fabric ofAmerica since its existence. From a Westerner's point t of view, I believe most Western men find darker skin Thai women attractive. It is my opinion that they are viewed more as Caucasian women with a "beach" tan. I am an attractive guy. I have dated many beautiful women of different ethnicities and complexions in my lifetime. Many of them have been Caucasian. I have dated a few women in Thailand. They have all been of lighter complexions. I find Thai women of all complexions attractive, but I am most attracted to the darker skinned Thai women. I absolutely love their beautiful brown glowing skin. Sadly, I find it difficult meeting darker skinned Thai women. Perhaps they think I am not attracted to them, or my own darker skin color is a reminder of the negative perception in Thai culture. I would be very interested in Joy's perspective. Thanks again.
Very nice comment and quite astute. Yes, we whites get skin cancer sitting in the sun while the Thais laugh at us, staying out of the sun til late in the day to stay light. Beauty is so different for all of us. I've always hated my very white skin and found darker women attractive. My ex-wife was Hispanic but so dark she was sometimes taken for black. Is it so simple that a lot of us are attracted to opposites in certain things? Was it in Bulsworth that Warren Beatty's character said to end prejudice we should all be the same shade of brown... But then there would be more things to discriminate with... Joy tells me bluntly that Thais tend to prefer guys, and women, with lighter skin as a general rule re attractiveness, but that they are much more open than in the US for example, and really do tend to see the person more. So she thinks being black in Thailand is not a negative issue at all, without the problems that result for a black man in many parts of America. Best wishes.
I Randy and Joy me I'm from Canada and I love Asian woman and l look a lot of video of youtuber about Pattaya and me I'm looking for true love and one youtuber say it's not the place to find true love he said that's is rare as snow in Pattaya so where I could go to met a real nice Thai woman.Thank you.
Yes, Pattaya is known as hooker central, not to put all women in the same basket, but it's the reputation. Bangkok also has a big element of that but only parts. Almost any other city has plenty of "normal" Thai women. I think the north, Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai are good bets.
@RetiredGlobalLife Thank you so much and I will consider to go to Chiang Mai and visiting Thailand to enjoy and I will continue to watch your video they are very instructive and you know about your talking thanks again Randy and Joy have a nice day .😃💥💥💥
Western guys all seem to fall for that classic line that Thai men are bad and Farang men are good. Thai men must be doing something right because the vast majority of Thai women continue to choose Thai men, sometimes even after marrying a Farang. There simply aren't any formulas or generalities that work as each individual pairing is unique.
That “classic line” hides a lot of alterior motives. Trust Thai women to look out for number 1…and you are number 2. They also adhere to another classic, “to thine own self be true”. And I’m saying there is nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize the reality.
Yes each is unique but I hear the "Thai guys cheat" so much from so many it must be true. Much harder for a Thai woman to connect with a western guy when their English is not good and the westerner does not speak Thai. So that's the main problem.
@@RetiredGlobalLife No doubt you hear that in your circles but of course women hunting for Farang men are going to have nice things to say about you and negative things to say about the men who don’t want them.
Who’s attacking Thai women?!? When I said “ And I’m saying there is nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize the reality.” does that sound like I disapprove of their self interest?
I have a Thai girlfriend in Phuket & she's the nicest woman I've ever met. We've been together for 2-1/2 years now & I'm 72& she's 52. She told me after we'd spent some time together that what attracted her to me was that I had respect for her & didn't just want sex. She loves that I open doors, walk nearest to the traffic, etc.We do have some communication problems but nothing major. I don't speak Thai, maybe a few words. Zoey is the same & thinks I'm good looking, I'm not!! She on the other hand is gorgeous!! I'm planning on moving there in a couple of years. She lives next door to her parents & cooks dinner for them almost every night. When I'm there I eat with them often. Thais are just the nicest people!!
@@RetiredGlobalLife Thanks & I'm definitely going to look into the insurance. I have Medicare Priority Health here in Michigan & don't know if they participate. I might have toswitch.
If you feel you are both attracted you have to be open , honest , appreciate both cultures & try to overcome language differences and meet in the middle somehow 😅
By the way she is very good at acting I don't believe all of that of what you're both are saying , I am a Thai woman and was born in Bangkok lim khlong samsam makkasan district ratchathew Bangkok and been living in the Northern New England of the united States States for more than fifty years. Total 55 years.as far as I know Thailand has changed within 55 years because of the foreigners in Thailand.
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I always enjoy watching your videos. Thank you for all of the information. I plan to visit Thailand in 2 years and then move permanently in 2030. I am a lesbian and I want to know, is there a way to meet other lesbian Thai woman online while I am in the U.S.?
Joy is a joy to liste to. Keep up your the interesting conversations
I’ve only dated one Thai woman I met here working in 2009 when she was a 19 year old college intern. Celebrating 15 years together and 13 happy years of marriage. Never seen her raise her voice or get upset in all those years. Takes great care of me and I reciprocate. I think living in the U.S. for 11 years before moving back here really helped her understand our western culture. It also helped that she’s college educated with a business and finance degree and was fluent in English when we first met. Now after all these years of thinking she couldn’t conceive, we are expecting a daughter in July! A dad again at 64. 32 year age difference and it’s made no difference whatsoever over the years. Their paradigm of money is a bit different and you do need to educate them a bit on that, but it’s not really ever been a point of contention for us. I’m fortunate to be very well off financially and her wants have always been very basic. I do help her family from time to time. But I also took their college educated daughter out of the workforce as I don’t expect her to work. It took a lot for her family to send her to college so if you’re going to take their daughter away along with her income, of course you need to compensate for that in this culture. I take pride in providing well for my entire family. To me it’s what makes us valuable to a good woman and she will love you for it. That’s not just a Thai thing. Joy you are very beautiful! You’re being too humble. You’re a lucky guy Randy! I think you know that though!
She says thank you for the nice compliment, and yes I am lucky. She and I tell each other that all the time. Congratulations on your upcoming baby!
BB it's very nice to read a good news story like yours
With a 32 year age difference you must have taken a lot of crap from people in the west. Congrats though!
No judgement in Thailand? You must know that any woman engaging in PDA is judged to be a bargirl.
Great job as usual you guys, the best channel for intelligent and balanced information about living in Thailand.
Glad you think so! Appreciate it, Andrew, thanks!
Well done! You both handled a potentially difficult and sensitive subject with information and dignity. Tough to do and you did it humor and real world experience. Top!
You are too kind! And too wise! Thank you.
You’re a cute couple and we can tell you are open and honest with each other which is so important if you want a lasting relationship. It’s so informative to hear a Thai lady’s perspective since it is rare on UA-cam. I’ll be looking forward to your next video.
Thanks so much. Hope you visit again.
I'm a married woman and loved this video. Great and informative video. Beautifully covered.
Thanks, Glory! Best wishes.
Great video. Randy you’re very fortunate in meeting Joy. I plan on moving to S.E. Asia in a couple of years, maybe I will be lucky enough to meet someone like her.
Thanks, and you will. Nice guys can finish first in Thailand.
Hi Joy and Randy.
About 3 weeks ago I posted a long comment about this topic and I don't want to repeat myself here again. Suffice to say that in this video Joy made excellent explanations about expectations of Thai women in a mixed relationships. She was spot on and very sincere.
Emotions are more important than money and at the same time you got to cover essentials. She said food on the table, which is particularly appropriate to Thais as their main pleasure relates to food .
I have to add something about the provision of financial support which is essentially a cultural trait .
In Thailand ,generally speaking the men are the breadwinners. The women are domestic managers .
This is a couple arrangement which works well if everything aligns in other respects .
One problem could crop up between the two parties if for whatever reason the man begins to feel he is taken advantage of or taken for granted . Usually this is expressed as being a walking ATM.
Somehow this needs to be sorted out early in the relationship so when needs crop up for support, be it for her or her family , limits are set with some leeways.
Many ,many times pressures are on daughters by the extended family for more support and she'll feel like the meat in the sandwich.
She'll have conflicting loyalty issues .
In a second marriage with a foreign guy she will probably have a pecking order where parents and any children she has maybe ahead of the husband .
No by choice but by customs and pressures .
In my opinion the foreign husband should make it clear to the Thai wife and through her,to her family , the perimeters of the financial help he is able to provide .
This would head off any excessive expectations of the Thai partner and her family .
Thais see Western men as rich, or in any case , hope so . The concept of rich depends what you're used to.
It varies among Thais.
Obviously it varies among us too and we tend to be more cautious in finances than Thais .
There is a very bad domestic debt crisis in Thailand whereby people are owing a lot of money due to bad financial management . Before you make a commitment to a Thai lady you should find out her financial situation.
Joy also made a very good point about what kind of men are preferred.
Not "butterflies".
They already had Thai men who cheated and abandoned them. They don't want a repeat experience .
There is a lot more to a successful mixed relationship with different cultures .
The ability to be tolerant , compromising and adapting will help . From both partners .
The idea that you should abandon your culture in favour of hers because you live in Thailand is not fair. It should be a mutual meeting of cultures where both partners still maintain their essential traits.
After all that's why you were attracted to each other.
Wow. I've told you before I think, you should be doing these videos instead of me, 555. You are much more insightful. As always, Tom, incredibly articulate comment, and very helpful to those who read it. I'm going to steal your "sandwich" line about how a Thai woman can feel with conflicting obligations and loyalties, between family and husband, with some families.
Yes, he is very insightful on Thai culture I have found. And I appreciate his comments above. And your video and joy... You did a good job the two of you.
Hello Tom, this is an a good channel happy I found. As you know I never experienced most of what you say however very aware it exists. The few Thai women I have known their family is more concerned about their happiness and wish they find a good partner. Just serendipity of whom I have met and always appreciate your views so I understand the lay of the land surrounding me.
For my health and simpke life we are looking at the Ban Krut area to live.
Wish you are doing well avoiding that cremation urn.
Take care 🙏
@@smileoften-ft3hq if it's Ban Krut ,south of Hua Hin,it looks good. Away from the tourism area and serene with Beach and Mountain and Big Buddha to practice Vipassana .
Should be healthy for body and mind .
Go for it .👍
Thank you. That is the place. I am going for it 👍
Real genuine and authentic channel, thank you❤
Kevin, nice words! We really appreciate them. Thanks.
3 weeks without a video: I was missing you guys...
Very interesting video, it's great to have Joy's vision of Farang / Thai couples. Many thanks 🙏
Has it been that long? Thanks for the nice comment!
Great content & looking forward to part 2. You both are naturals in front of the camera. Honesty, love, generosity & commitment are all part of a harmonious relationship. So happy you have found each other🙏👍
Thanks, Randy. Always nice comments from you. Take care amigo.
I love you both for the thoughtfulness and goodwill contained in your videos. Thank you. There's always something to learn and think about in them. From a soon to be retiree in the kingdom
Such nice words, Gary! We are honored!
I'm an old single guy moving to Chiang Mai in July. Thing is, unlike the stereotype, I am not going looking for a relationship or dating. I won't avoid it, of course, and should I meet a woman I like that would be nice, but if I remain single the rest of my life and enjoying the Thai culture and all it offers, well that's nice too. Not a girl bar kind of guy, so that definitely doesn't apply to me. Thanks for this, I'll definitely keep it all in mind should I meet a woman I like.
Great plan, Brian. You will meet her at the grocery store or in a coffee shop, when you least expect it. (:
Great mindset
If you plan to enjoy the Thai culture, I hope you get used to being xenophobic. There are many dark sides to Thai culture for which few westerners really know. You might want to read articles from Thais who have been exiled from Thailand for speaking the truth.
Your the kind of "old guy" that I find inspirational. Go for peace of mind and enjoyment but also open minded should she find you. Good luck on your travels sir. I'll be a year behind you. (BTW, what are your plans for the burning season? I'm quite worried about that as i don't think I could tolerate it).
I moved to Thailand after my wife of 58 years passed away. Was not looking for a serious relationship, but one happened. Have been with my loving Thai wife for six years and could not be happier.
I'm so happy to hear about your great relationship. The best things often happen without trying...
Guys, you produce great content. thanks
Very nice of you! Thanks.
That was one of the best videos I’ve ever seen. Having your girlfriend give her Thai thoughts was gold! I can’t wait for the next vid. BTW, after a horrible divorce; I have been in Thailand and for 2 years and didn’t date. But, I’d love to find a real Thai woman like your girlfriend! Gives one hope.
Thanks, Brad. I will keep Joy in the house for a while so you won't go stealing her away...
I can say there are beautiful hearted thai women.
@@RetiredGlobalLife not my style!
Great topic, its very cool to see Joy come out of her shell. Cheers.
Haha, she has never been in a shell. Just getting a chance to talk more.
That was fantastic, thank you for your honest and refreshing insight Joy. I look forward to your next video. I have many, many Thai friends and they never give such insights, but that ไม่เป็นไร.
Glad it was helpful! Hope you visit us again.
Always great content, really appreciate your direct and thoughtful content.
Super nice comment, Michael. Thank you.
Thanks for another great episode. Moving to Thailand soon. Looking forward to the next. Joy is suey mak !!
Yes she is but shhhhh, I don't want her to know. Only kidding. Thanks.
Hi guys, great show I’m retiring there in September so more information I can get the better thanks for that 👏
Glad we could help! Good luck and live the good life!
Great video topic and personal insights,, thanks!
Our pleasure! Hope you visit us again.
Great video as always! Always a pleasure so see a new video from the both of you! Next year I come to retire in the land of smiles. So your videos are very welcome. Thanks!
Great for you! And thanks for the nice compliment.
Where have you been!!?? We have missed you!!! I guess that's an indication of just how much we have come to enjoy all of your content. And BTW, thanks for mentioning LGB relationships... most content creators fail to mention the tricky ( and often dangerous/"illegal") aspects of simply living our lives in most SEA countries. As always, will eagerly await your next video. Ciao!
So nice of you to say, so, thanks!
As usual very informative. I have been with my Thai partner for 4 years. She is 35 and I am 61. We are both very happy and have a very loving relationship. What you say is spot on.
Very kind of you. Congratulations on what I hope is a long happy life.
Thanks Randy and Joy for such an honest and insightful video - certainly better than many of the Reddit threads I’ve been reading.
I recently met a woman on ThaiFriendly and spent time with her in Pattaya and her home town of Buri Ram. I have all the concerns you’d expect and my family and friends are convinced I’m being scammed. I’m now back in UK and understanding the perspective of the Thai woman about a genuine relationship is really helpful to me.
Hopefully my woman is like Joy and is genuinely interested in a relationship with me! We shall see 🙏🏼
Good luck. It can be hard to know what is real, especially with cultural differences. But time is usually a good judge. Hard for someone to hide themselves for more than a year...
Great video. I’m looking forward the next ones. I met my wife in Chiang Mai and she came back to the US with me. We will retire there in about 5 years.
Nice to hear and thank you.
Hi, thank you for this video, it's really helpful. Did you post the video about how you met? I couldn't find it.
Thanks for your nice comment. We did a video called I think, Falling in Love in Chiang Mai, about 18 months ago, more than a year anyway, so you could look through our videos and find it.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Thanks, I just watched. So beautiful :)
What a brilliant video! My brother lives in Hua hin and I'm communicating with a couple of girls on a dating platform...This has laid some of my fears to rest..
Great Lee. Hua Hin is a nice place btw. Joy and I did a vide of our visit there. Good luck in your dating. Did you see my "Freelancers VS nice girlfriend video? Some helpful stuff in there too. Best wishes!
Outstanding, keep it up guys!!!
We will! On the condition you visit again!
Beautiful video! Thank you for a honest look into life abroad..Congratulations to both of you and your future
Thanks, Terence. Hope you visit us again.
Omg...so funny video😂 i was in TH in Feb. Had a blast. Retiring next yr and will visit for a few months. Scuba diving and friendly culture were big draws for me
Great scuba and snorkeling in many areas. Thanks for the compliment!
Thumbs up 👍 Randy & Joy
Always appreciate hearing from you, Mr. Mango. Thanks.
Randy and Joy, have you ever read the book "Thailand Fever" (roadmap for Thai-Western Relationships)? If so, do you find it accurate? I found it after I returned home. I also bought a copy for my Thai GF because the left side of the book is written in English, and the right side is written in Thai. It's good to have the same information in the native language. You and Joy could write an updated book in a simular fashion. I would buy it!
Thanks! I have heard of that book but not bought it.
Another great video. Looking forward to your next one. Thank you, Joy and Randy.
Thanks and from Joy as well. Best wishes.
What a great video, down to earth and common sense. It is why I became one of your new subscribers.
Thanks so much, and glad to have you.
hah really enjoyed this video and the love sparkles coming off of it
Hey that is a very nice comment! Thank you.
Cannot say how much I loved the opening! Hilarious with you doing your Falang Thai bit and Joy doing the ‘stereotypical’ Thai woman bit. Informative sure but as always greatly entertaining with a positive vibe 😄
Thank you so much!! Appreciate it, Rebecca.
You two produce such perceptive and informative videos. As a recently widowed, older Englishman planning to live in Chiang Mai (except during the burning season!) your content is a hugely valuable addition to my own experience staying there for 2 months earlier this year.
Sorry about your loss, David and thank you. We hope to see you here on the streets of CM.
Hi Randy and Joy, another interesting video, just a cheeky question are there bars in Chiang Mai popular with nurses.? I am very fragile from previous experience over the last 9 yrs but on my next visit which is really more about learning about Chiang Mai for my retirement but would be nice to have friends and company for meals and drinks
I don't know that nurses go to bars a lot. But you can certainly interact with them when you visit the hospital. (:
Great video! I am an American woman in my 50s who lived in Chiang Mai for many years. I think your video was accurate and realistic. I have many farang male friends happily partnered with Thai women. Joy, you are very smart and funny! The two of you are a great couple!
I moved back to the U.S. in 2017 for love, and we plan to move to Chiang Mai in the next few years.
Awesome! Thank you!
I am coming back to Thailand this week for 3 months .I was there only 7 weeks ago where I met a lady who was a bar girl. we spent 4 weeks together and have been talking every day whilst I am back in Australia so she is waiting for my return. She has gone back to her family in Korat while I have been home .So I am going back to see where the relationship is going to go so your video was fantastic it gave me a insight into what Im in for. We are the age so it hit home. Thanks Dave
Thanks, David. It is a tough call with bar girls. Many likely come from villages and/or poor families and they do the work they can, and many send support to families. But the Pretty Woman scenario that is imbedded in many of us westerners can be illusive. I've heard of guys who have created real relationships with bar girls - and bar girls come in many levels of professionalism in what services they provide and how often and to how many - but for many men and women from that world it can be a tough road ahead. When relationships start with money, it can be hard to turn into a real lasting and healthy relationship. Trying to me helpful and hope I am not coming across as offensive. Good luck to you and if this does not work out, try meeting normal Thai women: the nurse you meet at the hospital, the clerk in a store...
Hey Joy and Randy !! I just found your UA-cam channel today and subscribed. Your love and complicity is so beautifull and so evident !! It's a pleasure to see that.
What's more, as I'm a french man, I practice my english thanks to you.
I'll come to thaïland at the end of june for a month, and I'm impatient to be there !!
Thanks for your full of joy videos, it's so inspiring for me.
Vous etes tres gentil. Je vous merci. I love France and lived a year in Nice in my early 20s and was an English teacher, and I visit there and Paris often until 7 years go when I stitched to Chiang Mai, originally because my daughter moved there. I love speaking French, or trying to anyway. Thanks for your very nice comments. Joy and I swnd our thanks. Maybe bump into you in town in June...
I am raised in America and now connected with my birth mom, and I support her $250-$300 per month. I paid off her townhouse in Ayutthaya.
Ah, she has a good daughter!
Great video. Nice to hear your girlfriend’s opinion on things.
Thanks, John. Good to hear from you.
Nice to see more of Joy in your video......Good video......If you do the next video with the subject matter you indicated......you may move from a travel channel to a dating "How To" UA-cam channel.......Smile......Keep on doing what you are doing and we'll see how your channel evolves......
Haha, no dating channel could succeed if I am the face, or one of them, on the thumbnail...
Hey guys great vidio and interesting subject just returned from a month trip to Thailand very enjoyable. Loved the fact that you can enjoy the company of women with no strings attached. This is perfect for me as just want to have a good time whilst travelling and for the girls its a financial arrangement that they are happy with. Looking forward to your next vidio about the subject. Thanks
Nice to hear from you. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Thanks for this perspective. I am living in the USA with my Thai wife of 17 years. We have been in the US for 10 years. We are returning to Thailand full time this summer. My wife and two step daughters have their US citizenship giving them more options in life.
Lucky kids! And I bet bilingual too? Enjoy your return to Thailand. (:
@@RetiredGlobalLife Yes the girls are bilingual. Thai is there first language, they both work in a Thai restaurant in north Idaho
I want to commend the both of you for having the confidence in your relationship to make this vide. You were lucky to meet ,you seem to make make a great team. Now I know why you have the time to respond sometimes to my comments as you don't have enough followers on youtube. Still here following you from France.
Je vous merci. Hopefully more followers as time goes on. We've only had the channel a year...
Hello Randy and Joy. That was a great video and covered many of the things westerners think about and Joy covered the things that thai women have on their minds. It was covered in an instructional way and no one felt put off with your comments. And fellas you might find some bad thai ladies, but don't give up. I found bad, but I met my own good lady named Joy 😊.
Double Joy!
This is just awesome content you don't see anywhere else. Like you said, all the other channels just talk about all the horror stories. Granted, there's some truth to it, but it's good to know that it's possible to find and date real Thai women as well and build something that's genuine.
Nice of you to say. Hope you come again.
Damn interesting and great perspectives. Your focus was on dating, but one aspect not stated was marriage. Does Joy and other Thai girls consider marriage the goal and not just a long term relationship?
Good question, the next video I think will talk about that...
wonderful 👏
I'm on my way randy and joy !
Way go to, Matthew.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Thailand 🇹🇭 the land of dreams ....
loved to see Joy taking the lead in this one. Joy, you are a beautiful woman, do not doubt yourself. interesting content. look forrward to the next one
Thanks, Glenda, I'll pass it along to her.
Enjoyed your discussion so glad you met such a lovely lady and nice to see she is happy as well
Thanks for the nice comment!
really intelligent and sincere video, from a very pleasant couple. i have spent 40+ years in and around asia. your words apply to other cultures too, as you said. i would say that, in a broad brush, modern-era western women proceed from a feeling of entitlement whereas asian women proceed from responsibility. thank you, you deserve way more subscribers.
Very astute observation re entitlement vs responsibility. And thanks for the nice compliment. Hope you visit again.
Your video has effected a self re-assessment, and adjustments made thereof, of my Thailand dating M.O....thanks, "Butterfly 8"
We are glad it was helpful! Thanks so much for the comment.
Thank you both!
What a really lovely lady Joy is Randy. Great to see such genuine happiness between you both. 🇹🇭🌞🙏
Thank you, John! Yes, I agree, Joy is sweet.
Great interview and conversation. We can see you are a well-connected couple.
My insight is that the foreigners who fail or complain it’s just a transactional relationship search their partners at the wrong place or come to Thailand mainly to have fun, but fall in love with the wrong type of girl.
You have a better chance of having a great relationship in Thailand when you come with a long-term mindset and take the actions needed.
100% right.
Hi It’s all about communication that’s why relationships fail you cannot build a solid base without communication and understanding so you are a very lucky couple thank for the video
Thanks and you are right about the communication issue.
You guys rock…..thanks for
Thanks, Bob. Nice of you to say.
Good show, now hurry up with the next video, I am curious.
We will do our best. (:
Started watching you guys a few months ago & your communication skills are excellent and I enjoy your content, I visit Thailand every year and can see myself settling there, perhaps with a nice Thai lady, not to young, best wishes. Graham UK
Great to hear, thanks, and glad you make it every year.
Nothing is more beautiful to me than gorgeous morena skin, almond shaped eyes and the soft pleasant personality of most SE Asian women. I have been to Thailand 30 times since 2005 and I never get tired of listening to a Thai woman speak Thai (but not the way Joy did when she was the angry girlfriend).
Haha, yes, she did not like me asking. her to do that scene.
Great job you two been wanting to atleast visit for a month or so just haven’t started the steps to do that yet
Thanks for watching and commenting. (:
Great video thanks
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
i had a truly beautiful vietnamese girlfriend who was 20 years younger than me (she won a beauty contest in Vietnam and became a minor celebrity after we started our relationship). however, the major hurdle was money. I never gave any of my girlfriends money. my female Asian friends all told me it was the cultural norm for a boyfriend to financially support his girlfriend if she needed help. I'm glad i listened to their advice/perspective. while we were together, I felt like the happiest man in the world due to her femininity and inner beauty. I hope other western men realize this is a big cultural difference. most western men frown on sugaring relationships but it's very common throughout Asia including Japan and Korea.
Helping your partner when she is lower income is just normal life, in the USA or SE Asia. There is a big difference between being a sugar daddy and helping your GF or wife with life's costs and hurdles. She helps in her own ways.
Love you Guys! ♥
Very nice of you. Thanks!
i never miss a video. such a cute couple
Hey, super nice compliment for us. Thanks!@
Thank you for your posting! I’m married to Thai wife❤
Thanks! Good to hear from you.
Hello folks. You look like a great couple. There are too many negative stories on the internet about bad relations between Thai women and western men. We need more positive relationship stories. I have a wonderful partner in Mae rim and feel very fortunate being with her in an exciting city and truly amazing culture. Cheers.
Thanks for contributing a positive story. I get many such comment here.
Question for Joy - I started an online friendship with a woman from Chiang Mai. She speaks little English but not much, so our conversations are not deep. It’s been several months, we say hello and good night almost every day. She’s started saying “I love you” and “I miss you”. I’m confused about what she means. We’ve never been together although I plan to visit in January. Can you help me interpret what she’s saying? Thank you.
Joy says: You are her hope and her future, so she wants to motivate you to come. But feelings of love can't really be stated until you meet in person. I will add that this is not uncommon in Thailand so move slowly.
I am 74, and am a retired single American seriously considering moving to Thailand for the rest of my life. I don't have financial worries but have some illnesses for which I might need specialized care from doctors and hospitals. Can I talk to you or someone else to get a better understanding of my options? I would like to make my move before the end of 2024. Many thanks for creating honest and interesting videos!
Sounds like the key for you is health care, which is truly excellent and affordable, but also insurance, which is not really viable re pre-existing conditions and getting to your age. In my Why We Leave there is a excellent ins agent listed you can contact to get a real view. There is excellent care facilities, quite affordable, for you to check out for down the road. Or some just hire a live in woman to cook, clean and care for you.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Can you give me the contact info of the insurance agent and I will contact them? As you said, insurance may not be a viable option for me and if so, I will self-insure. I just want to "escape" the toxic environment in USA!. As to live in helpers, are they available easily? Thank you.
A well made video & enjoyed watching this. I met my gf online as you know December 21. I visited her in bkk October 22 for 2 weeks .. then it was great and we got on well & better , I rolled the dice & as I said before , got off the ‘hamster 🐹 on a wheel ‘ & moved here March 23.. so far so good. She knows the score with money. I help her for sure financially but not extravagantly , I told her from the outset I am not a money tree. She enjoys working & earns modestly but contributes a fair bit , we are pretty happy so far .. 🙏
Nice comment, Jon. We all have different things to contribute. We all get so wound up over money.
@@RetiredGlobalLife yep agreed. Thank you 🙏, Knowing where the land lies is crucial , I’m kind hearted , generous but sensible & no fool , love can be blind they say but .. 😀
Bad acting? No way! she scared me, haha! Excellent acting 😃
Haha, yes, Joy was not enjoying the experience. First time I heard her yell. Teaches me to never actually get her mad.
Being an Africa American moving to Thailand you didn't really talk about how Thai women feel about black men? Are they predominantly attracted to white westerners?
Very good and informative video. You guys seem like a great couple!
Thanks and good question. Hard to discuss all issues. The blunt answer is that being a westerner of any color seems to be seen as a plus. You are perceived as more worldly, educated and successful. But their odd desire for extreme whiteness seems to mean that they admire the whitest people, even among Thais, the most. Of course, all this is general.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Thank you sir!! Love your channel.
@@RetiredGlobalLife I do understand the whiteness thing in Asian culture as I was married to a Filipina for 7 years. I laughed when you guys talked about it because I know how true it is. Keep up the great work!
I'm a Thai woman but my fears are usually that my partner will eventually replace me for someone younger and prettier. Since there are plenty of those women available in Thailand and it would be so easy for him to just do that. It would devaste me though since I've been with him for 8 years but my beauty has started to fade over the years. Actually, not even replace but him being discontent because I'm no longer young and as attractive as I once was.
I'm sure he is aging too and hopefully realizes that. I think it is often looks which initially catch our eye with finding a partner, but once you have a relationship, if it is solid and filled with love, I'd hope no one's eyes wander. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think commitment and dedication are what a man values most once he has chosen his partner.
I believe you. Unfortunately each woman I met in countryside ask what they get to date me before we even get to know each other. I will never date in Thailand. Instead so many available without that attitude in Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam. The dating in these countries is much better for me in these countries
Glad you found your happy place! Philippines and Cambodia easier than Thailand due to so many speaking English there.
Great video, my thai wife Jeejee 47 and me an American 70 years .We agree with you guys content 👏
But please.. the no money on hony is true all around the world. If you cant support your "family " you need to stay single.
Great comment.
I really like your video. I watched a lot of content creators in the past. Acting very disrespextfull. It's simple ...you have bad and good people all over the world. Generalizing is so wrong. This video was wholesome to see. Made with respect and seen from both sides . I wish you the best and now i'll binge watch all your content 😁. Subbed 👍.
Ow, before i forget ..i'm 46 and planning to relocate in the future . In februari i'll visit Korat region. Met finally someone online i think is worth the effort of meeting and spending time with. The last 6 months i learned a lot about Thailand. Traditions,culture and so on. I also learned that takling to other people in my country about relocating ...they judge very fast without knowing. I Ignore them.
I'll relocate ...if i meet someone or not. But you'll know the saying...happiness is only real when shared😉.
The best to you both and greetz from Belgium🙏.
Thanks for your very nice and thoughtful email. I wish you success and happiness.
Interesting topic. I was in South East Asia, including Thailand, for two months recently and I spoke with a number of men and woman on the topic of skin color. The locals told me that light skin was a sign that the person most likely worked in an office setting instead of as farmer or outdoor laborer. Therefore they equated skin color with higher economic status. I did not get a sense that a dark skinned man would be shunned by Asian women. As an expat what been your observation?
No, it sounds crass to even discuss, but the reality is in general, a westerner is seen as a higher rank of person, much like the caste system in many countries. That applies to westerns of all colors. But white westerners are elevated by many even more so. I'm not saying it is fair or right it is just what most Thais will tell you.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Thanks for the response. I was taken aback by all of the skin whitening products in the Philippines and Thailand. Some people were even taking medications regularly to keep their skin artificially lighter. Seems ironic when many of us in the West spend countless hours on the beach trying to get more tanned. LOL
@@gary4451I'd like to point out that a well tanned white man wouldn't have any problem with Thai women. A naturally coloured person is probably a lesser desired man.
I think Randy alluded to this. Having said that I've seen quite a few such couples.
Just like you see in other countries,in the US,UK,Australia, just to mention a few .
But generally speaking given everything equal white is more preferable.
When it comes to racial types,Japanese and Korean are well liked . Chinese are good too .
have been to Thailand quite a few times to visit my Aussie friends , most of them are in a happy relationship with a Thai lady .
An interesting question was asked to me by their Thai partners .
1. How much do you earn & have you been married ( which I felt ok about answering and I did )
2. How much money do you have in the bank ? - this question I was reluctant to answer , basically I felt that I was “ dropping my pants “ and being totally exposed - without not even met a lady & had
any time or connection with
Thanks Joy & Randy
That seems an odd question, yes. But I find Asian culture different. They talk of how much they paid for their houses, money details, as if to brad about their status, while we westerners consider it rude ask or brag about such things.
@@RetiredGlobalLife
Morning Randy
Thanks for the reply
Certainly a culture thing - I’m not offended , we are all learning , but of course we need that little spark to start off and a connection - Happy Thursday to you both 👋👍🙏
I am Thai and more attracted to western men. I met my husband when I was 24 and he was 27. He was a young engineer and I was an international student in MBA program. He works as an engineer and I works in financial sales. We are both very financially independent but still share the same checking and saving account. I make more money than my white husband but that does not matter to me. We got two kids and been married for 23 years. I personally won’t get married with much older man that is just my things and please don’t take it personally. The most important thing is if each individual can be independent financially then no one can judge or say anything about you. It depends on family too. Sometimes, wife will just have to stay home to raise kids. So whatever it works for your family. I would not care what other people think. Just live your life .. lol .. they are not paying your bills. We live in the US and I can’t work in Thailand anymore. I am too westernized with a freedom of speech mindset ✌️ Although, it does hurt to hear people in the US said Thai girl married western guys for the sake of money. That is not always the case. So I show them the example of my marriage. I understand things people see and talk about but I just don’t want people to generalize that everybody is the same. ✌️
Thanks so much for that message. Something people need to hear and believe. Thanks!
Joy is a beautiful woman; you’re a lucky guy 👍
I think the hard part for a westerner is meeting a woman who isn’t a bar girl. Whereas a western guy hears that the man is expected to support the woman’s family.
Thanks for Joy's compliment. Not hard to meet a non-bar girl if you spend time here with Thais and not just with westerners. Just living a normal life...
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Glad you like it. Big thanks.
I have literally met about 8 Thai women in the last few years, online and in person when I was visiting the Kingdom, none of them are bar girls, not to my knowledge, most of them have jobs or their own businesses but they are still in debt or so they said. I have help most of them out of compassion. I didn’t hear from them once I told them that I wouldn’t send anymore money.. One of them is still texting me to try her luck. I guess perhaps it’s just my misfortune to experience all these bad vibes. It is quite true, no money no honey, to me it is so far. I will visit the Land of Smile again fairly soon. FYI, I’m the VIP in Remitly😂
Lastly, good show, thank you ❤
Thanks for the compliment and sorry to hear you have not met the person you hope to.
I think the Lanna Thai culture in the north might make for a better chance for a match between a westerner and a Thai lady. More of an old school view .
My experience in life is mainly the north but from what I see I think they do have the friendliest people in Thailand.
Joy is very charismatic and charming 😎✌️✨
For sure!
Don’t know whether you can or have made heads or tails of the Thai expat tax situation but that might really impact what you’re talking about here. Lots of good Thai women but that uncertainty does make me ponder coming there for a relationship .
Much fear about the tax law. I predict it will not affect 99% of expats or foreigners due to the double tax treaty. Only untaxed revenue in one's home country will be taxable in Thailand, not pensions. The gov is after rich Thais dodging taxes.
So the interest on municipal bonds shouldn’t have to be declared there since they’re not taxable in the first place in the US. Makes sense ?
Nobody can give you an authoritative answer right now . Any tax payable won't kick in until March 2025.
For the current fiscal year .
We're in limbo now until it's tested . In the Thai system they often float an idea only to abandon it or tweek it
In any case the announcement was about funds transferred to your thai bank from offshore . Will they ask banks to apply withholding tax? Then ask you to lodge tax a return to claw back funds they're not entitled to?
Who knows and they mentioned subject to country tax treaties. They didn't clarify details .
There are a lot of retirees here and more to come,maybe you , so I doubt they want to discourage this segment that's very beneficial to the country .
That's why I think they'll tweek it and people who live here on the retirement funds or pensions won't have to lodge returns .
I think this is probably about Thai citizens or dual citizens who earn money and don't want to pay taxes anywhere.
Don't rely on any professional advice now as nobody knows anything for certain. Maybe next year it'll crytalise .. One defensive step you could take. Transfer funds to your Thai bank and clearly label it as capital/saving/ pension.
Not income.
It's still a grey area but we'll see. Other than that you could get a family member to send funds to you from their account and label it either loan or gift.
My gut feeling is that they're not going to bother retirees.
It would be commercial suicide .Imagine you want to retire here and want to buy a high end condo,say from a developer for 15 million baht and pay tax on it ar 35%.?
The new PM is a real estate mogul, he would never allow this .
Nice and informative video. The real unknown is the woman's family. Sometimes she is great, but happens to have greed parents or siblings that are always strapped for money, and you end up getting into a problem. You cannot separate a Thai woman from her family. You should never ask her to chose between you and her family. You will lose this battle. So, before you fully commit, do your due diligence as much as possible. Don't ignore red flags. On a light note, be prepare to spend years convincing her that her tan skin is prettier than our pale complexion. 😀
You are right on with both points!
Joy you are so lucky have a boyfriend like Randy 😊
Yes!!!!!! Finally I am appreciated!!!!!! Haha.
I was just there on vacation in February and can see why most men feel like it is all about the money. Everyone I dealt with was very nice but it does seem like it is more about the money than a relationship. I realize what you are saying about everyone being different, but the hard hurdle I would have is wether they actually care about you or consider it a job and say what you want to hear to keep the job. In America the woman can still be expensive, but usually you have a conscience that you like each other. You just have to watch out for the gold diggers. My feeling is you just roll with a Thai girlfriend and just never know how they really feel about you as long as you are happy. I would be interested to know what both of you think on this topic.
Thank you 🙏
Thailand is basically a poor country, so people there have basic needs westerners take for granted. A car is a luxury. You see mainly motorcycles mainly because it is affordable to the average person where a car is not. But I think the key is where you meet someone. I believe the average Thai woman you are not meeting in an "entertainment" venue, has great values, but due to their poor English and westerner lack of Thai, these women are not available to most western men.
Thank you so much for making this video and touching on the subject of skin color that most people are uncomfortable talking about.
As an US American, skin color has been a part of the history of my country. What I have always understood is that it has been used as a caste system to maintain a hierarchy of status and wealth. There's a NY Times best seller written by Pulitzer prize-winning author called, "Caste: Origins of our Discontents." It explains the unspoken caste system in the USA that shapes our lives even at present day.
I understand that skin color is part of Thai culture and Asian culture in general, but as a non-white I am put off by it and find it backward thinking.
What I find profound is that much of that has been turned upside down. Caucasians are spending time and money altering themselves to asymalate brown people in looks and skin color. You have Asian cultures doing the opposite. From skin bleaching, long sleeve shirts, to umbrellas doing everything to keep the sun from darkening the skin. So, Caucasians want to appear more brown and Asians want to appear more white. I find it profound.
Joy may have been somewhat joking, but I was really put off by the, "Just look at him. He's white. He's attractive." In my opinion, this is the same type of cultural brainwashing that has been a part of the fabric ofAmerica since its existence.
From a Westerner's point t of view, I believe most Western men find darker skin Thai women attractive. It is my opinion that they are viewed more as Caucasian women with a "beach" tan.
I am an attractive guy. I have dated many beautiful women of different ethnicities and complexions in my lifetime. Many of them have been Caucasian.
I have dated a few women in Thailand. They have all been of lighter complexions. I find Thai women of all complexions attractive, but I am most attracted to the darker skinned Thai women. I absolutely love their beautiful brown glowing skin. Sadly, I find it difficult meeting darker skinned Thai women. Perhaps they think I am not attracted to them, or my own darker skin color is a reminder of the negative perception in Thai culture.
I would be very interested in Joy's perspective.
Thanks again.
Very nice comment and quite astute. Yes, we whites get skin cancer sitting in the sun while the Thais laugh at us, staying out of the sun til late in the day to stay light. Beauty is so different for all of us. I've always hated my very white skin and found darker women attractive. My ex-wife was Hispanic but so dark she was sometimes taken for black. Is it so simple that a lot of us are attracted to opposites in certain things? Was it in Bulsworth that Warren Beatty's character said to end prejudice we should all be the same shade of brown...
But then there would be more things to discriminate with...
Joy tells me bluntly that Thais tend to prefer guys, and women, with lighter skin as a general rule re attractiveness, but that they are much more open than in the US for example, and really do tend to see the person more. So she thinks being black in Thailand is not a negative issue at all, without the problems that result for a black man in many parts of America. Best wishes.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Thanks for the response. I was not trying to be negative. Just having dialog. Thank again.
I Randy and Joy me I'm from Canada and I love Asian woman and l look a lot of video of youtuber about Pattaya and me I'm looking for true love and one youtuber say it's not the place to find true love he said that's is rare as snow in Pattaya so where I could go to met a real nice Thai woman.Thank you.
Yes, Pattaya is known as hooker central, not to put all women in the same basket, but it's the reputation. Bangkok also has a big element of that but only parts. Almost any other city has plenty of "normal" Thai women. I think the north, Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai are good bets.
@RetiredGlobalLife Thank you so much and I will consider to go to Chiang Mai and visiting Thailand to enjoy and I will continue to watch your video they are very instructive and you know about your talking thanks again Randy and Joy have a nice day .😃💥💥💥
@@MichelCorbeil-bd5ji Thanks!
Western guys all seem to fall for that classic line that Thai men are bad and Farang men are good. Thai men must be doing something right because the vast majority of Thai women continue to choose Thai men, sometimes even after marrying a Farang. There simply aren't any formulas or generalities that work as each individual pairing is unique.
That “classic line” hides a lot of alterior motives. Trust Thai women to look out for number 1…and you are number 2. They also adhere to another classic, “to thine own self be true”. And I’m saying there is nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize the reality.
And are you number 1 looking out for yourself? Many are that way and it's somewhat normal. Why attack Thai women?
Yes each is unique but I hear the "Thai guys cheat" so much from so many it must be true. Much harder for a Thai woman to connect with a western guy when their English is not good and the westerner does not speak Thai. So that's the main problem.
@@RetiredGlobalLife No doubt you hear that in your circles but of course women hunting for Farang men are going to have nice things to say about you and negative things to say about the men who don’t want them.
Who’s attacking Thai women?!? When I said “ And I’m saying there is nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize the reality.” does that sound like I disapprove of their self interest?
Randy you lucky have Joy!
Anna, you are right! Now I need some people to write in and say she's lucky t have me so she does not get too conceited. (:
I have a Thai girlfriend in Phuket & she's the nicest woman I've ever met. We've been together for 2-1/2 years now & I'm 72& she's 52. She told me after we'd spent some time together that what attracted her to me was that I had respect for her & didn't just want sex. She loves that I open doors, walk nearest to the traffic, etc.We do have some communication problems but nothing major. I don't speak Thai, maybe a few words. Zoey is the same & thinks I'm good looking, I'm not!! She on the other hand is gorgeous!! I'm planning on moving there in a couple of years. She lives next door to her parents & cooks dinner for them almost every night. When I'm there I eat with them often. Thais are just the nicest people!!
Thanks for such a nice post and message. Continued good luck.
@@RetiredGlobalLife Thanks & I'm definitely going to look into the insurance. I have Medicare Priority Health here in Michigan & don't know if they participate. I might have toswitch.
hahaha, that was fantastic!!!
Very nice of you. Thanks.
If you feel you are both attracted you have to be open , honest , appreciate both cultures & try to overcome language differences and meet in the middle somehow 😅
Yes, language can be huge, happily not an issue for us.
@@RetiredGlobalLife for us at times can be , but if have any misunderstandings I count to 3 and try to say slowly .. 🙏
By the way she is very good at acting I don't believe all of that of what you're both are saying , I am a Thai woman and was born in Bangkok lim khlong samsam makkasan district ratchathew Bangkok and been living in the Northern New
England of the united States States for more than fifty years. Total 55 years.as far as I know Thailand has changed within 55 years because of the foreigners in Thailand.
Well, thanks for watching anyway. Believe what you wish...