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  • @dj82020
    @dj82020 12 днів тому +51

    Do not Fire on Medical Personnel
    Do not fire on civilians
    Do not fire on children
    Do not fire on the wounded/surrendered
    And what did Vexathor order......all of the above.
    The Weapons officer should have gone down with him. "I was following orders" didn't work at the Hauge

    • @GalaxyTGW
      @GalaxyTGW 9 днів тому +2

      you forgot one... DON'T TOUCH THE BOATS/SHIPS

    • @TheVaziris
      @TheVaziris 4 дні тому

      ​@@GalaxyTGWSOMEONE TOUCHED THE BOATS!?!

    • @alenasenie6928
      @alenasenie6928 4 дні тому

      Little reminder, right now there has already been attacks on children's hospitals with little to no response from the allies of the invaded country, so, this might be the most fictional part of the story, we, personally want a response like that, but countries are not always willing to do this, although it is clear that no country at war should attack any medical facility of a country that is not part of that war, because that is something no diplomacy would erase, the fact remains, we have seen children hospitals fell to bombs last year and there is little response against the aggressor.

    •  2 дні тому

      It's like the Skinnies found out, "play stupid games and all that"?

  • @kg4zmf
    @kg4zmf 13 днів тому +65

    "Leave Doc alone!" And on top of targeting Doc, they frakkin touched one of our boats!

  • @greatgreyowl2583
    @greatgreyowl2583 14 днів тому +35

    The wolf found out the hard way what a sheepdog is. Gentle and easy going until you attack his flock.

  • @SaberWolf34
    @SaberWolf34 14 днів тому +39

    if there is one universal rule that should never be broken its never fire upon medical personnel / ships.

  • @larsharris
    @larsharris 14 днів тому +35

    People need guts. I was receiving training and an instructor told us to do something dangerous. To be clear it was not dangerous to me as I had advanced training, had retired. But my certification was expired. This was many levels lower than I had before. When I taught this…. I stopped it, shut things down hard. Head of training came over. He removed this instructor right there. Had him escorted out. Rest thanked me. They knew it was unsafe from what we learned last week. But “he was in charge”. Stop things that are wrong

  • @garysakamoto4007
    @garysakamoto4007 14 днів тому +64

    Nice story, but maybe don’t give the extraterrestrials human names.

    • @daviddsantos33
      @daviddsantos33 14 днів тому +13

      right?! for God's sake! and it's another Chen!

    • @Adam-e6p2q
      @Adam-e6p2q 14 днів тому +15

      What do you expect from a story written by a robot, read by a robot.

    • @ejjantz2878
      @ejjantz2878 14 днів тому +4

      Maybe certain ethnic names are easier for A I to pronounce or AI was programmed to use the most popular or common surnames.

    • @apveening
      @apveening 14 днів тому +1

      Why not, a lot of these stories have hybrids and there must be even a lot more of them who didn't end up in such a story around pregnancy.

    • @michaellinnet6095
      @michaellinnet6095 13 днів тому +4

      Hey! All Chens can't be heroes! Too damned many of them! At least this one was just a grunt following orders and not the idiot issuing the commands.😁

  • @marksmusicCC
    @marksmusicCC 14 днів тому +30

    I hope humanity really does go in that direction, takes a lot of power to heal.

  • @steveforbes7718
    @steveforbes7718 12 днів тому +8

    Wouldn't it be nice if humans could learn this lesson on the home world? That story is several thousand years ahead of now. I have a suspicion that humans may not make it that far unless they decide to grow up.

    • @AshenTech
      @AshenTech 3 дні тому

      honestly at this point, i dont think we are going to nuke ourselves, but i also dont see is getting anywhere near this level of tech with our current culture... industry keeps us far behind what they have, i have seen some old tech that was shockingly close to modern tech, but made before such things where suppose to exist, including cell phone/radio-phones before that tech was made public by a good bit, kept hidden for govt and the elite to use...
      and, i think this is another problem more of govt(including religious leaders in some parts of the world, since they are the govt.)
      most normal people got no interest in waring on eachother.. i have even seen people from opposing sides of nasty conflicts who learned they were both being used by their leaders.. become genuine friends.. shit... one middle eastern dude ended up married to the sister of a soldier he had fought against before both moved to the states somehow they ended up in the pdx area and... well... both had realized they had been used, and had more respect for the other than anger... turned out they helped get people out as conflicts were worsening in the area and had helped eachothers relations get across the boarder.
      if more people would wake up to the fact its our "leaders" who are often the problem... i think that would have teh biggest impact... not saying we dont need govt, but we dont need the mess we have now in most of the world... and that includes companies like blackrock who own shocking % of medical, food, etc stock in the country... and not just our country... the cancer isnt the normal people... even the crazier wingnuts i know(left and right) settle down when disconnected from the media...
      the owners of society long ago learned that war and conflict are good for business... and can be used to justify "aide" that comes back to support the forever wars...as most "aide" is ear marked that 90+% is ear marked to buy crap from the US MIC...
      this is also true, im told of "aide" sent by alot of other countries.. "you gotta send most of this back buying war supplies from us tho!!!"

  • @huntercooper1908
    @huntercooper1908 12 днів тому +5

    So I'd like to clarify something to all of you People talking about How they should have armed or shielded the hospital ship. I'm assuming they're following the same doctrine that they do on earth and the fact that no medical ship is allowed to be armed or armored. They aren't technically part of the military, so they're not allowed to be armed or armored. Any people from the actual military? Can you please clarify this?

    • @TCMECH79
      @TCMECH79 11 днів тому +4

      It goes against protocol and international law to arm a medical ship. If necessary, a medical ship will get a naval escort

    • @huntercooper1908
      @huntercooper1908 8 днів тому +2

      @@TCMECH79 thank you For clarifying

  • @Sonnabend00
    @Sonnabend00 14 днів тому +19

    This is when you stand up and say NO I refuse to obey this order

    • @apveening
      @apveening 14 днів тому +4

      Very nice, I suggest you try that in the North Korean army.
      I have a feeling that Vexthor makes Kim Jung-Un seem tame.

    • @Sonnabend00
      @Sonnabend00 14 днів тому +4

      @apveening i was actually thinking of a place called My-lai. You should know that name..being American

    • @apveening
      @apveening 14 днів тому

      @ I am not American and one of the problems with My-Lai was that they didn't say NO. And most Americans don't even know My-Lai ever existed leave alone what happened there. And how do you as a German know about it?

    • @Sonnabend00
      @Sonnabend00 14 днів тому

      @apveening I'm an Aussie, how do I know about it??? It was headline news everywhere. It was part of history class and the proceedings were also headline news.
      Knowing about Vietnam comes with being born in the 60s

    • @apveening
      @apveening 13 днів тому

      @@Sonnabend00 It happened before I was old enough to follow the news.

  • @ChristopherTerry-le1fc
    @ChristopherTerry-le1fc 12 днів тому +22

    You know what the majority of the bridge crew of the alien Dominion warship targeting the human medical ship voicing their objections over targeting a human medical ship you think most of them would refuse to follow his orders to Target a medical ship even going as far as surrendering their command or rank

    • @DethInvictus
      @DethInvictus 7 днів тому +1

      Honestly, the problems with this "story" really makes it sound AI generated. Too many Chens for one thing. Also, Vexethor seems to be an emperor, not a captain. Otherwise his crew would and should have deposed him.

    • @sudburylawyer
      @sudburylawyer 6 днів тому

      Considering how Trump’s Defense pick refuses to state he would refuse to US troops against US civilians, let’s hope you are right.

    • @asvagar8163
      @asvagar8163 2 дні тому

      and this is exactly what happened before. not a few thousand years ahead, but just several decades ago. IF some people would have raised their voice, and actually slapped their CO into oblivion, many bad things would not have happened. ref.: WWII

  • @Spartan_9013
    @Spartan_9013 8 днів тому +3

    Something all of our enemies learn quickly is you never fuck with doc

  • @randomlyentertaining8287
    @randomlyentertaining8287 12 днів тому +7

    A lot of people here showing that they don't understand the purpose of a hospital ship or why they have no armor or weapons.

    • @dj11o9er
      @dj11o9er 3 дні тому

      Though it does show that hospital ships should come with an escort detail if they don't already

  • @daviddsantos33
    @daviddsantos33 14 днів тому +21

    "Blake Chen blinked all four of his eyes"..... really? an alien named Chen? really?

    • @RichardPoxon-m3w
      @RichardPoxon-m3w 14 днів тому +7

      Hey, the Chens are everywhere.😜

    • @apveening
      @apveening 14 днів тому +2

      Probably a hybrid.

    • @matthewatteberry8711
      @matthewatteberry8711 13 днів тому +3

      Chens was a name that originally came from aliens that passed down to humans. It is cannon now. Why? Because I said it. I just edited it into existence.

    • @totski999
      @totski999 12 днів тому +1

      Can't have a galactic war without a Chen, doesn't matter whose side they're on

    • @danhardesty6318
      @danhardesty6318 9 днів тому +1

      You have to admit this is a twist in most story lines.

  • @MichaelGoff-r1o
    @MichaelGoff-r1o 12 днів тому +5

    You have to understand that the story wasn’t written by a human , but AI and that is why tends to ramble on and other stories seem so similar to each other.

    • @worldcomicsreview354
      @worldcomicsreview354 День тому

      I wish they'd give it a "human pass" after it's been written. Clean it up first, not just upload it as-is

  • @malachi7729
    @malachi7729 20 годин тому

    Why didn’t the human commander say “you have destroyed out mercy, now taste our vengeance” as the medical ship was called mercy and the assault fleet was called vengeance

  • @CraigLYoung
    @CraigLYoung 4 дні тому

    Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @boqndimitrov8693
    @boqndimitrov8693 13 днів тому +5

    An interesting story, but suffering from the typical shortcomings of such works, such as repeating the same things. 👍🏥

  • @Chris-Smith
    @Chris-Smith 6 днів тому

    "how dare you destroy a medical ship?" "Anyway, heres an attack after unconditional surrender"

  • @garyhoffman8197
    @garyhoffman8197 14 днів тому +11

    Aliens have a chen.

    • @ufamu
      @ufamu 13 днів тому +1

      If there's not a "Chen" in these stories then something's not right😮

  • @develdragon13
    @develdragon13 9 днів тому +1

    at 15:37 and this is when he knew, he f*cked up

  • @tombelin2295
    @tombelin2295 13 днів тому +2

    If Humans were so powerful, why didn’t they give the hospital ship effective defense shields and other ability to defend itself?

    • @MrStrikecentral
      @MrStrikecentral 13 днів тому +6

      They either didn't think that anyone would be insane enough to attack a medical ship, or the power was needed for the medical equipment, since the ship was beyond capacity with even the storage holds being used for medical care.

    • @randomlyentertaining8287
      @randomlyentertaining8287 12 днів тому +7

      The same reason real life hospital ships have no weapons or armor. They don't need them.

  • @ajdoherty1957
    @ajdoherty1957 5 днів тому

    I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to fire on a hospital with 12 other alien races inside helping patients. You just declared war on everyone

    • @asvagar8163
      @asvagar8163 2 дні тому

      agreed. then again, british bombers were redirected, while on route to military targets, to the city of Dresden. they almost bombed that town into ashes, because some high up a***hole thought: why not make a sign of power by bombing thousand of civvies indiscrimenatly? unfourtuanetly, it's the winners who write history, not the survivors. and as Plato ( questionable ) once said: Only the Dead have seen the end of a War

  • @dougbillman2333
    @dougbillman2333 11 годин тому

    I don't like getting, mad...I scare myself when this happens.........

  • @terrye8401
    @terrye8401 14 днів тому +12

    The definition of f.a.f.o.

    • @larsharris
      @larsharris 14 днів тому +2

      Would it not be cheaper, safer, better to have a cloaked ship follow every hospital ship? Have it check out every new location it’s called to. Rather then make many huge fleets to avenge it.

    • @diarradunlap9337
      @diarradunlap9337 12 днів тому

      ​@@larsharris Perhaps, but that would not teach lessons that sorely need to be learned.

  • @maryhenry8115
    @maryhenry8115 14 днів тому +7

    Hopefully when we get out there this is how we act

  • @jamesgudgeon4868
    @jamesgudgeon4868 14 днів тому +6

    They Should've Known Better than To Attack A Hospital Ship 🚢 30:42

    • @SgtSplatter782
      @SgtSplatter782 14 днів тому +1

      TOUCH THE BOATS!
      TOUCH THE BOATS!
      ... NO WAIT...
      NEVER FUCK WITH DOC!
      NEVER FUCK WITH DOC!

  • @vlastimirvukovic
    @vlastimirvukovic 3 дні тому

    So basically they attacked stone age civilization, then turn out they have 10.000, Сухој Су-57 parked in cave?

  • @RobertL.JonesJr-hz8vl
    @RobertL.JonesJr-hz8vl 8 днів тому

    You kno there are other ship names beside Mercy like Comfort, Haven, Hope, Haven, Salk, & Peace❤

  • @dragoneverde4793
    @dragoneverde4793 13 днів тому

    "They were healers, yes.." subtle laughter in background... You may have to listen to it several times, but it is there. Time stamp 28:32

    • @PeterLGଈ
      @PeterLGଈ 11 днів тому

      It's a glitch I hear in a lot of AI readings. Sometimes a lot worse. It gets very annoying.

  • @akawater
    @akawater 13 днів тому +2

    Excellent story. 👍👏👏👏

  • @jimkeonitzer3102
    @jimkeonitzer3102 14 днів тому +4

    How many times can you repeat the same thing. ?

  • @SENOJYDNAR
    @SENOJYDNAR 7 днів тому

    Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you!

  • @Hammer-Doc-O6
    @Hammer-Doc-O6 14 днів тому +7

    Do not mistake my compassion for weakness

  • @bentontramell
    @bentontramell 9 днів тому

    Like the premise but, i can't get a sense of the map. Where was the Mercy? Where is Dominion Space? How can the Vexethor see what is happening in the Human solar system.

  • @shaphown
    @shaphown 10 днів тому

    We know nothing about human technology, begins to accurately describe what the new ship is and what it can do from across the galaxy

  • @themexologist1347
    @themexologist1347 14 днів тому +3

    Can we just stop using the word quantum for everything😂

    • @danegerous24
      @danegerous24 13 днів тому

      Nope. Just like Chen. It's a given with these Ai stories.

  • @DcSensai
    @DcSensai 7 днів тому

    they didnt want our mercy. so we went full canadian.

  • @brentkalmbacher9092
    @brentkalmbacher9092 13 днів тому +2

    You dare strike a hospital ship, and touch doc?
    Lets see how many new geneva suggestions gonin the vox this time.

  • @JakeSweeper
    @JakeSweeper 13 днів тому +1

    "Ceremonial Battle Scars?" A poser, then.

  • @IllutianKade
    @IllutianKade 6 днів тому

    I really wish they'd steer clear of the 'established names' from Sci-Fi shows. It really does muddle the overall story.
    ((I realize this is just someone else's work being given a voice. But...c'mon writers. We have dozens of sites that can generate names for your species, civilizations, and characters. ...and they're FREE.))

  • @itz_beavis7674
    @itz_beavis7674 12 днів тому

    you dare harm the cleric healers?!?!
    *PALADINS ENTER CHAT*

  • @joeschmoe7324
    @joeschmoe7324 10 днів тому

    Poorly disciplined captain.

  • @aboveaverage007
    @aboveaverage007 9 днів тому

    Excellent story. What I don’t understand is why quantum streams cannot bring back the dead, to twist time and back it up enough to save their lives! I guess if you do that too much without serious controls, ytou could destroy the space/time continuum!! Awesome story! Well done!!

  • @adamboller774
    @adamboller774 14 днів тому +1

    It's going to be interesting when humanity does go into deep space.

  • @tgreythorne45
    @tgreythorne45 14 днів тому +7

    Two Chen's this time. Come on with this.

  • @PenumbraMineMMWard
    @PenumbraMineMMWard 10 днів тому

    I guess they never heard the term FAFO.

  • @nunessilva2162
    @nunessilva2162 11 днів тому +1

    Performing surgery on reality! Nice!

  • @ky42
    @ky42 12 днів тому

    Another universal rule is that there is always a Chen and/or a Rodriguez involved somewhere!😂

  • @datstheguy
    @datstheguy 3 дні тому

    Tbh this was soft, like skinamax soft. I was hoping for a more heartless ending of humanity preciseness. Like literally showing humanity understanding of genes and atoms to the point they just wipe out up a random numbers generation that entire crew bloodline showing how much of god complex human have. That humans can extinct an entire species if they wanted too, as soon they arrive. Like boop, humans " You took our mercy, now fear our wrath", then announces to all worlds that has had contact with humanity (because humans always want to leave a call me maybe? )and broadcast why being friendly with humans good thing and to never bite the hands that feeds. And proceed to yeet like every crew members bloodline going back to like 5 generations, so literally says 23 percent thanos snap dusted of that species population gone while that ship watches, So they (every spacefaring species) can witness the awe humanity control. After you know we humans quarantine every planet that this species has ever colonized. Then proceed to vent the enemy ship, showing humans had control all along.

  • @Ashackell
    @Ashackell 13 днів тому +1

    I love to think the human ships are just imperial class star destroyers in the same numbers of the empire 25,000

  • @madcapmagician3130
    @madcapmagician3130 12 днів тому

    Once you cross the Chen line, there is no turning back.

  • @dougsity9176
    @dougsity9176 11 днів тому

    Wow, great story.

  • @eisenfell2818
    @eisenfell2818 13 днів тому

    i know its AI art but that ship just looks neat.

  • @ufamu
    @ufamu 13 днів тому +1

    😅 how does aliens get human names?

  • @batonrouge6446
    @batonrouge6446 12 днів тому

    An alien by the name of, Blake Chen. Now I've heard it all. 😆

  • @PeteCasey-i4m
    @PeteCasey-i4m 14 днів тому +12

    Excellent story.

  • @fawkes.6820
    @fawkes.6820 День тому

    the hypocritical oath taken to a whole new level

  •  2 дні тому

    But war is supposed to be a "full contact team sport" like football, where is the fun in this?

  • @martinwyke
    @martinwyke 12 днів тому

    The XO could/should have stopped it.

  • @MacCrafter707
    @MacCrafter707 10 днів тому

    Is everyone named Chen?

  • @atticusseverus
    @atticusseverus 8 днів тому

    AND Another CHEN pops up later in.....

  • @nealschieberl9601
    @nealschieberl9601 13 днів тому

    How many Chens are there in space???
    Kinda tired of the Chens. Oh, and the Vexathors. He seems to be everywhere 😐

  • @SuperDyzack
    @SuperDyzack 14 днів тому +2

    Ok story but if you going to be a all powerfull race maybe put that tech on your hospitalships aswell.

  • @jamesfoland5072
    @jamesfoland5072 12 днів тому

    Same names for extraterrestrials and humans? Humans chose to build ships to heal not to make war. But did make ships to make war in mass. Contradictory to your story...

  • @Sierraomega1991
    @Sierraomega1991 2 години тому

    I was following orders is not am excuse for war crimes or crimes against humanity

  • @michaellinnet6095
    @michaellinnet6095 13 днів тому +1

    This was a decent story, up to a point. Here again we have the AI proclivity towards repeating the same damned bullshit over and over again, making the story at least ten minutes longer than necessary. Ten minutes waisted with bullshit instead of actually doing some creative writing and giving some of the characters bigger parts and better roles. I will say this though. This channel has some of the smoothest AI narration I've seen. I didn't notice any outstanding mispronounced words and much, much fewer grammatical errors than 95% of the AI channels out there. So I'll give this story a thumbs up for a good story line and good execution. Now if you could just teach the writing program to quit overloading the story with horseshit, this channel would be awesome.

  • @Element0w1
    @Element0w1 7 днів тому

    Not a bad basis for a story, but it's very repetitive. The first time I heard humans chose to heal rather than kill was rather cool, but hearing it over and over again got old.

  • @lurchalmighty
    @lurchalmighty 14 днів тому +5

    But Israel did it and we all kinda forgot about it 😢

  • @theDemolisher13
    @theDemolisher13 4 дні тому

    Hmm I get power house but man did this writer go humans are a stellaris fallen empire after 200 years of getting ftl. I get power tropes but you gotta sell it else tye fantasy kinda breaks

  • @646klein
    @646klein 12 днів тому

    The stories repeat the same stuff over and over while having poor actual storytelling while the explaining of the situation or issue gets over played

  • @timothyferrelli8274
    @timothyferrelli8274 13 днів тому

    Don't touch the boats

  • @Aureliano01
    @Aureliano01 9 днів тому

    ze healing is not as rewarding as ze hurting

  • @biostemm
    @biostemm 14 днів тому +2

    Alternative interpretation; they intentionally didn't equip the hospital ship with adequate shielding so they could demonstrate their military prowess on any would-be attackers...

    • @MrStrikecentral
      @MrStrikecentral 13 днів тому +2

      Or the power was needed for all the medical equipment that was being used.

    • @biostemm
      @biostemm 13 днів тому +1

      @MrStrikecentral the kind of capabilities demonstrated by the Black fleet implies that such power generation issues shouldn't be a thing for them...

    • @MrStrikecentral
      @MrStrikecentral 12 днів тому +2

      @ Perhaps under normal circumstances, yes. But remember, the ship was beyond capacity to the point of having the storage bays converted to treating facilities. Just speculation.

  • @dex666sinister
    @dex666sinister 12 днів тому

    An interesting premise, but suffering from being far too long due to endless repeating of the same points. Could/should easily have been at least 10-15 minutes shorter. And STOP USING THE SAME NAMES for every story! Surely AI can source more than 10 names out of the millions in existence.

  • @atticusseverus
    @atticusseverus 8 днів тому

    The name 'chen' popping up again massively cut interest.....seriously bloody change the damn things for once.

  • @silkmaze
    @silkmaze 14 днів тому +4

    Very good story.

  • @clarktrainham5435
    @clarktrainham5435 12 днів тому

    You need to retrain your AI

  • @wstavis3135
    @wstavis3135 19 годин тому

    What is it with all of these crappy AI written and narrated channels appearing suddenly. Make it stop. It's awful.

  • @imt952
    @imt952 11 днів тому

    PLEASE STOP USING CHEN!! You could ANY OTHER surname. Also, stop over using Quantum!! You got more quantums here than a paper by Einstein.

  • @callsigngrimdoll
    @callsigngrimdoll 12 днів тому

    Meh. Another "human's are the ultimate technological warrior species" story.

  • @grynnreaper6266
    @grynnreaper6266 8 днів тому

    a lot of Chens in this story

  • @RobertGitau-cj3xu
    @RobertGitau-cj3xu 10 днів тому

    How many people are called Chen that's just lazy writing

  • @jamesgudgeon4868
    @jamesgudgeon4868 14 днів тому +2

    Just Like the Centaur Shouldn't have been Attacked 32:05

  • @ServantOfOdin
    @ServantOfOdin 12 днів тому

    Too many jumps in the narrative.

  • @firedathan
    @firedathan 9 днів тому

    A dislike for AI voice.

  • @fischersfritz468
    @fischersfritz468 11 днів тому

    Those human supremacy stories are quite boring..

  • @Madashell1200
    @Madashell1200 14 днів тому +1

    I don't like it. Its too soft.

  • @jamesstokes2239
    @jamesstokes2239 11 днів тому

    Okay story but how many times you going to repeat the same shit just with different wording?

  • @classeklintan4793
    @classeklintan4793 13 днів тому

    What a crap story. So mutch rewinding and so many Chens

  • @lewisdillon345
    @lewisdillon345 6 днів тому

    Not to well written.

  • @OMCPoker
    @OMCPoker 7 днів тому

    too much preaching

  • @janlesinski4719
    @janlesinski4719 7 днів тому

    These crap vids are never ending

  • @kc9602
    @kc9602 13 днів тому

    There is NOWHERE in the Universe that vexathor can hide from revenge, retribution, human nature or the she-demon known as Karma!!

    • @diarradunlap9337
      @diarradunlap9337 12 днів тому

      The she-demon of karma isn't powerful enough. THIS is Divine Retribution coming.

  • @Fearsome_Gonad
    @Fearsome_Gonad 3 дні тому

    A.I. crap.

  • @lech1985wawaify
    @lech1985wawaify 13 днів тому

    exelent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  •  2 дні тому

    FAFO

  • @delvinciposterkid
    @delvinciposterkid 14 днів тому

    When humans became The Doctor.

  • @je8784
    @je8784 14 днів тому +4

    Our country now has a orange monkey threatening peace. He only protects himself.

  • @JosephMcCully
    @JosephMcCully 13 днів тому

    Dumb.