Why Japan Loves Numb Legs
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2023
- I had a guest at my samurai training activity ask me,
“Why do Japanese people prefer sitting in a way that numbs your legs?”
He talked about the Seiza, sitting with our legs folded, as we often do in Japanese traditional cultures like Iaido, tea ceremony, and Noh theatre.
Why do we sit like this traditionally?
To make our legs numb.
Yes, you heard that correctly.
Seiza meaning “the correct way to sit,” became a culture during the peaceful Edo period (1603~1868).
To protect the Tokugawa family, the Shogunate’s absolute rule, they forced samurai to sit Seiza to numb their legs and make it more difficult for them to betray them.
For example, at ceremonies and events.
So the proper way to sit before the Edo period was to sit with your legs crossed, as you can see in the pictures here.
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I had a guest at my samurai training activity ask me,
“Why do Japanese people prefer sitting in a way that numbs your legs?”
He talked about the Seiza, sitting with our legs folded, as we often do in Japanese traditional cultures like Iaido, tea ceremony, and Noh theatre.
Why do we sit like this traditionally?
To make our legs numb.
Yes, you heard that correctly.
Seiza meaning “the correct way to sit,” became a culture during the peaceful Edo period (1603~1868).
To protect the Tokugawa family, the Shogunate’s absolute rule, they forced samurai to sit Seiza to numb their legs and make it more difficult for them to betray them.
For example, at ceremonies and events.
So the proper way to sit before the Edo period was to sit with your legs crossed, as you can see in the pictures here.
▼Watch the full video▼
ua-cam.com/video/pPLjXRZ_YhQ/v-deo.html
*The content is based on personal studies and experience
There is no intention of denying other theories and cultural aspects
Here I was assuming that it was due to establishing an aesthetic with one's posture and that it was somehow symbolic of respectful submission before an honoured figure. I'm not disappointed with this reason, the logic of it makes me admire Japanese culture more, there's rationale to some rules.
Is this the *lyrics?*
Can you cover why Japanese people like hairy women (lower body hair) everytime I see a Japanese girl they are never shaved and no one really talks about it
@@idk-zi3gwShit's fire ngl
@@altustalent410its not just a symbol of submission but literal submission. Very interesting
There's actually a weirdly high number of cultural practices that come from rules to make sure nobody's going to murder you.
thanks Edo period, for grandfathering in most of Japan's antiquated practices
@@SageArdor well they weren't antiquated back then, it's not their fault fiture generations kept them around even after outliving their usefulness.
Like the handshake
For example, the 'cheers' motion was originally intended to make everyone's drinks spill into each other so that nobody would try to poison anyone, since it would get in their drink too
Most of Japanese history is basically like The Purge.
~Meeting ends
~Samurais wobble out the door stoically
clearly inaccurate. instead of standing up, they would instead perform the technique of 膝行 (shikkō, lit. "knee moving") and continue to waddle around on their knees, ensuring they cannot attack anyone since their legs fall off
@@brightblackhole2442 🤣 perfection
Accurate , its actually p easy to hurt yourself doing this
@@daveshif2514true, I once twisted my ankle trying to stand up with numb legs 🥲
@@brightblackhole24429
Everyone else: So how do you prevent your legs from going numb?
Japan: That's the neat part. We don't.
2k likes and no comments? Let me fix that
Ninjas in the background waiting for the samurai legs to go numb so they can assassinate the Sho.
EXACTLY
This is the very definition of
"Tradition is a solution to a problem we forgot existed"
Maybe the solution just worked *that* well
Sometimes, Tradition is a solution to a problem that no longer exists. You can even argue that, in this case, it's a tradition that makes MORE PROBLEM.
Well maybe in this case a problem that no longer exists.
@@bryanmerelI agree. The phrase "those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it" has become an idiom.
No-Rad-Zeer!
Peasant: “Sir, we are under attack!”
Samurai: “Ah shiet, hold up. Lemme un-numb my legs first.”
Wait what? The whole point is that this only started in the peaceful edo period.
@edwardliu111 there were still brigands, paid mercenaries and the occasional skirmish between forces of two competing lords, with any large scale battle being forbidden.
@@edwardliu111yes because during times of peace, the mere thought of violence is banished from all and laws are no longer neccessary thanks to the magic of friendship
UMAIRA!!
@@monke12354the magic of friendship 🤣
Shhhh you'll summon the Bronies!!
picturing stoic/honorable Samurai grimace in discomfort as they try to waddle out of meeting with Shogun
I love history like this, where one person’s decision can end up adding something to a culture the we now think of as a part of that culture in modern day
And if stays in use long enough no one will dare speak up against it or change it despite it making little to no sense innthe modern world.
Tradition really is just ancestral peer pressure 😂
Yay oppression!
So it's not just me getting my legs numb, I always thought that I hadn't trained sitting in that position enough.
Sameee 😭
It just makes my legs hurt when I do that. It might be becaue I'm overweight
Edit: I never got 1000 likes before. I never even got close to that. Thanks
Same thing!
@@ExplosiveGaurdI don't think that's the problem😹. I'm not overweight and it still hurts😹🙌🏼
@@roswaaal oh I think it hurts my legs because my legs are a little big.
I often wondered how Japanese people did that without their legs going numb and finally I find out that their legs go numb just like everyone else.😂
The Japanese are demigods according to Shintoism and Weebism.
Same!
Saaaame!
Yeah I thought genetically I just had poorer circulation than Japanese people, or my legs weren't skinny enough😅
Im not Japanese but somehow i prefer Sitting in this way, its comfortable but yes it will numb
Shaking hands and hugging both came from the practice of checking if the other person was hiding weapons
They used to grip eachothers forearms to check for a hidden knife
I don't believe the hugging one. Maybe handshake tho
Hitting drink cups in "Chears" comes from simmilar tradition. They were supposed to be hit hard enough that liquids could splash from one to enother, if someone desided to poison the others drink they would get poisoned as well. Obwiosly, they weren't made from glass back then, mostly metal or wood.
@@kicunya12….Cheers*
I’m sorry but… HOW?😵💫
@twall91 the other person is correct. It was done so the drinks are mixing with each other. You can't poison someone unless you are also prepared to die
How would hugging not make you more susceptible to stabbing rather than less?
The Tokugawa family was literally tripping up their enemies......
My first thought was "it would make it hard to get up and defend yourself if that's the point" and it turns out that sort of is the point
I liked that you unintentionally predicted that
I knew i wasn't the only one who thought like that, as evident by most cultural practices. Most traditional etiquette on social settings which had no health benefits were almost always done to reduce potential threat to ones life in case the situation escalated too fast to react to (one example being the oldest human tradition which are handshakes, it robs the opposing person's ability to utilize their most versatile weapon which is the dominant hand)
@@CheekiScrubb meanwhile, saluting or waving your hands is also to bring your dominant hand away from your weapon while keeping the hands open to show that there isn't a weapon hidden in your palms.
Think like an Emperor
Hard to get up and attack someone
I did not realize everyone got numb legs. I thought it was just me
Same
Fufufufufu😂😂😂!
Hahahaha😅
I thought i was sitting incorrectly because they got numb too
IKR
"And that's how the ninja assasins vanquished all the Nobility, kids."
I get the same effect from sitting on my toilet watching these videos for too long.😆
“Meeting dismissed”
**attendees try to exit and fall flat on their face**
Zazen kinhin zazen
thats how they invent kaizen (progress in little steps) 😂
Okay wow. I had just always assumed there was some trick to keeping your legs from going numb that I didn't understand. Today I learned!
There are some special seats that are small and easy to hide
Tf yall talking about mine never goes numb 💀💀
@@Nestor__Makhno Legs of the betrayer
Nah, a lot of traditions from every culture end up just being generally bad for you with no upside.
@@Pillar_of_Salt I dont get the reference
knowing that their legs get numb too gave me some relief
I love learning. I love when people enjoy teaching
ofc its the edo period
It's always the edo period🤣
😂😂😂😂
Edo period a menace
Edo period made japan and the Samurai into some real beasts 💀
@@BarsusDracono Sengoku jidai made samurai beasts afterwards they became glorified bodyguards
Some Paranoid Ruler: "If they can't get up quickly, they can't charge at me with a sword."
A Gun: "Allow me to introduce myself."
You’re confusing countries.
...?
They were mostly using matchlock muskets, not exactly the most discrete weapon in that era.
You can’t hide a musket
Coincidentally the Edo period ended around the time reliable and concealable firearms were becoming quite common
Every kid in class: sitting like a normal person.
Me, since 1st grade, because my feet barely touch the floor when sitting on a chair:
I had no idea all this time. Thanks for this. It's interesting to note the understandable lack of trust people had for each other during those eras.
And now I see why “thugs” are depicted as sitting with their legs crossed or sitting on their bums; they’re “untrustworthy” because they’re always ready. So interesting!
Russian subculture?
Yeah this is so interesting to think about since when they get up their legs aren't numb and they can walk perfectly fine as if they are waiting to strike...
Isn’t that normal though? Isn’t the readiness worthy of respect in itself?
@@actuallyaardwolf ..did you watch the video, or come straight to the comments..?
@@actuallyaardwolf You cannot apply normal logic to Samurai culture
I always thought I was somehow just too fat because my legs always got numb this is a relief
Me too!! 😂
Me three😂😂😂😂
Me four brothers
For me it doesn't make my legs numb it just straight up hurts, my knees are like that of a 50 year old man
I was just about to say this. What a relief 😅
The one samurai who brought a chair: 😎
*This is the first video I have ever seen of your channel.* I immediately just subscribed
I can’t wait to see what else I learned from you in the future 🤔😊🙌📚
seiza means getting a seizure for ur legs
😭😭
I agree so much in Iaido i call it the knee destroyer😂
I like to call it the Ham-splitter 😂 for your hamstrings oof 😖
😂😂😂😂😂
Pretty sure thats the dude from jojo
*Deep Vein thrombosis has entered the chat*
I was gonna say, this is a great way to exacerbate certain health problems or give yourself varicose veins!
This should NOT have made me lose mind the way it did 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭
And neuropathy
I wonder what the rates of that is in Japan
@@NBrixH probably still not as high as the western countries where the majority is obese
That is so smart. Thanks
Man I just learnt something fantastic!!!! Thank you very much brother!!!
I'm imagining a bunch of samurai trying to stand up after one of those meetings and falling over 😂
Edit: Thanks for all the likes! 🤩
pffft
Not because their legs are asleep, but because of pins and needles...
@@Human-sanWhat are you talking about? You just said the exact same thing twice, your legs falling asleep is when your legs get pins and needles???
@@afruit6720No pins and needles is when your leg wakes back up
@@afruit6720I think he means the sensation thats present in numb legs when you try to walk it feels like tiny pins and needles piercing you're leg
it's like the reason butter knives were invented: to prevent stabbings at the royal dinner table
You can still stab with a butter knife, just requires a lot more force, or just aim for the eye
@@mrfixit3666It takes a very long time and depending on edge it could hurt a lot. My last experiment 3 minutes ago sent me to the ambulance
Or use a spoon!
"Because its blunt! It'll hurt more!!"@@mrfixit3666
They don't prevent stabbings, y'know. . As my grandma quickly found out when she was running her mouth. You don't rat out your family! Ever. But she forgot, apparently....So I took my butterknive and ....grandma now sleeps with the koi-carps.....
I have heard that having a knife, a possible weapon, at the dinner table was impolite. As a result, food was cut into small pieces in the kitchen and eaten with chopsticks in the dining room.
I have always wondered about this, but felt like I couldn't ask. Thanks for the explanation!
then there's me: sits like that because it's comfy and doesn't numb my legs
Love the culture, love Japan, but i also love my ability to walk.
Japanese culture is pretty toxic.
so you wanna betray someone?.... you are noted 🤔
@@simon8890lmaoo 😂
sooo what do they do when they see someone who walks@@simon8890
"But why are you STILL doing it?"
"Hello? Japan."
"Of course, silly me..."
@@sheepketchup9059tradition is peer pressure from dead people
whoa, super interesting, thank you!
I'm loving your style.
I know the tokugawa are an important part of japanese history but the more i learned about them the more i realized they just oppressed everybody.
if you want to understand Japan through its history that seems pretty apt.
That's history in a nutshell. You think something sounds cool and want to read more about- then find the oftentimes literal skeletons in their closet
They stayed in power for so long because they held control with an iron grip. It was also expected of the lords to rule that way in society, otherwise the lower lords get ideas of overthrowing your regime.
It's the fact that they made the law so people can't betray after betraying nobunaga LOL
Ieasu Tokugawa, the ultimate Gaslighter.
I thought they were magical and just didn't get numb legs at all! 😂 It's nice to know that they experience the same feeling.
I don’t though
@@GM.Nobody Clearly you are secretly a magical creature. Begone you leprechaun like monster. I'll have none of this magic nonsense.
@@GM.Nobodyme too
This is Japan, man. Suffer and don't show it, or you'll shame your family. So many feelings are pushed down for the sake of other people there.
@@littlestbroccoli It's actually scary how stressed Japanese people are all the time.
Thank you so much! What an interesting topic.
Imagine being a samurai in the middle of a meeting during the edo period and fidgeting cause your legs hurt
And an Iai practitioner to your left mistook your fidgeting for you getting ready to attack
At one point, when I was going to college in Japan, I had a tea ceremony class, a Noh theater class, and a kendo club that I was attending all in the same semester...
I literally pulled a ligament in my ankle and had to go to the emergency room because of all the seiza I was doing.
im starting to think it’s totally fine to disrespect cultural traditions
@@AuntBibby😂😂
@@AuntBibbywhen they're damaging or harmful, yes.
Imagine the samurai standing up after the event and they all just stand perfectly still after waiting for the pins and needles to go away.
i was actually wondering this earlier… i thought maybe it was just my thunder thighs getting in the way😂
i love the thought of a bunch of samurais groaning as they get up after a meeting
The room fills up with bizarre groans as if a grand fight broke out... It's just the samurai being sore xD.
With restless leg syndrome, that has always seemed like literal torture.
It is actually sometimes used as a punishment
Ancient people dont have weak genetics yet then
@@jjillalalac2487Weak genetics? Excuse you, as a restless leg syndrome guy, I can run at a decent pace for 45 minutes straight, while I pass by "young buff guys" who can only run for like ten minutes before running out of breath.
'Restless leg syndrome'... it seems that we have a syndrome for everything nowadays. I can't take y'all seriously. I know that this diagnosis exists, but it's so minor
@@TosyaChanThat's litterally what it's called. The leg shakes without you consiously doing so; that is a syndrome. Ever heard of stimming? It's like that, but not when your anxious or need to focus - something you do that can be controlled, and has patterns. Restless Leg Syndrome cannot be controlled.
Woah, that’s actually really thoughtful.
teacher before the EDO period "CrIsS CrOSs aPpLE SaUcE"
This makes me feel so much better knowing I’m not just doing it incorrectly.
At a tea ceremony:
"Hey man, can I have a chair?"
"I don't trust like that."
Great history lesson! This never crossed my mind!😁😁😁
I don't get numb legs, I just get discomfort and then pain.
I find that position absolutely uncomfortable
Nah it's comfortable
It's easy to get used to. But you will sure feel it when you are not.
I recommend you strengthen your core muscles and stretch your legs out, and do some butterflies for those hips. When you're balanced and flexible it'll be the easiest way to get on and off the floor in a hurry. Used it all the time when I worked as a stocker, no knee pads needed due to technique while being ultra efficient.
Edit: Also stretch those glutes. Most of our lower back/ leg pain and difficulty comes from tight glutes, which happens because they are mega strong and big but are hardly stretched enough by just walking and sitting. You start solving that and your entire body will feel better.
@@Undomaranel if it is the easiest way to get off the floor quickly then isn't this short bogus?
@@_ZRAYX for you
Omg all this time I thought they were just use to sitting like that and didn’t go numb.
All these years I thought my legs going numb was a "skill issue" on my part 😢
I was assumed that if you did it long enough or often enough that it just wouldn’t hurt anymore
If only Julius Seiza had known that trick at the Ides of March!🤭
Julius Ceaser reference
Or more appropriate: Nobunaga
_oh my Jeeizas!_
😂😂😂
Booooo!
Jk, it was kinda funny.
I always wondered about this back when i did martial arts and i'm happy i finally got to know this after all these years!
I always wondwred !!☝️☝️😲🤷♀️🤔👏👏👏Thank you!!!
Geeze. I understand the Shogun making them do it, but this is like if you were kidnapped and rescued, but continued handcuffing yourself to a pipe in the basement every night before you go to sleep.
I mean, theres a reason a lot of soldiers cant sleep on a mattress once they get home from their tour of duty.
You get accustomed to living a certain way, and eventually you can't function without it
"geeze"
@@lucfxgambitgaming7494 Christ on a cross.
@@ShinChara ok?
@@lucfxgambitgaming7494 ...
I met my soon to be wife’s family to ask permission to marry her, and it was over an hour of sitting in that position. All this time, I thought her parents were just staunch traditionalists, but as it turned out, they wanted my legs to be jelly, in case they said no and I decided to attack! 😂
Omgggg 😂😂😂
I'm sorry for you, hope you find a new love!
@@sebimoe "Sorry" for what? With your attitude, no parent want their daughter to be with you. No sorry for you.
@@sebimoewhat part of "soon to be wife" did you miss?
@@mirjanbouma Sorry, I misunderstood the story. I understood that they waited him out for that long so he could not react when they say no. If they did know they won't say no earlier, then there would be no point in waiting any longer for that sole purpose. Not sure what I'm missing. And the sentence with "soon to be wife" is in past tense so it doesn't mean she still is, just that she was at one point.
Very interesting ty! Subscribed
Wooooow!!! That’s incredible ! I had no idea
along the same train of thought, when i practiced martial arts i was taught to keep my hands on my folded legs to reveal that my hands are clearly away from my weapon as well
Like many others, I thought it was a practice related problem, the thought never crossed my mind that it was actually its intended purpose. The more you know! Thank you.
My brother spent weeks in hospital regaining the use of his legs after falling asleep like this as a 3 year old.
Thats super interesting, i always wondered that too
That what gets me with Japan, they do things and won't change because it's "tradition" but that said tradition is not that old....
The level of uncertainty avoidance too makes it difficult to live here at times!
What gets me is that they'll keep even the traditions that have no benefit and many severe issues... and half the time they are designed to be that way. Just WHY.
What's so surprising. Even ramen are not indigenous to Japan. Yet it is one of the most popular Japanese cultural export
Tbf every country has some outdated and even detrimental norms, it's just more obvious when you haven't grown up with them.
@@Dice-Z All cultures do this. It's just hard to recognize the "useless" traditions in your own culture because you're used to it. For example, why do most people spend time and money shaving when a short beard is arguably more practical?
@@raul_jocson_ I don't get the analogy
Now that's what I call a true "the more you know" moment!
That makes so much sense... Very interesting
That's rather clever. Not only that but it really encourages obedience too
Interesting, sitting like that for a lengthy period of time has been painful for me since mid-childhood. I simply concluded that the body was not meant to sustain this position for more than a few minutes at a time. It seems to me that making your legs numb frequently would ultimately result in a degree of damage over time.
It can cause heart attacks!
I always wondered about this. Thank you for giving this answer as it actually makes a lot of sense thinking about it now.
You sir are a Godsend
Wow. Love learning cool cultural facts like this
It always fascinates me how powerful fear can be.
This. In the sea of comments... this.
The higher your status, the more fragile your ego and the more fearful your heart.
Meanwhile ninjas: 💀
It be your own ninjas 😔
Ninja*
someone learned this from Lego Ninjago@@anomitas
Shush
Wow :0 thats interesting, thank you for sharing with us
Holy cow. That makes so much sense. It is hard for someone who is outside Japanese culture, or who doesn’t study it intensely, to remember how many details of formal behavior may be dictated by practical martial considerations.
If history's greatest disciple has taught me anything it's that sieza can lessen the advantage of a smaller, faster opponent
I love that manga
Yeah. Your urge to kill would be definitely be dampened as soon as the pins and needles kick in on both legs.
I thought I was weak! I didn’t realize that never goes away
Tea ceremony ends:
*Samurais aggressively kicking their legs awake*
Well, at least I will rest assured no one will try to betray me at a tea ceremony
Soooooo there’s no secret ancient trick to sitting like that y’all just perpetuate the punishment? I kinda love it… humans are amazeballs.
There is a trick to it. The people who used Seiza every day learned how to overcome the pain/discomfort/numbness and were more battle ready than those who used it only for special occasions. In other words, if everyone was at a disadvantage, then the samurai who were used to that disadvantage had an actual advantage.
amazeballs? are you like 40?
@@canihavethesauceare you weirdly judgemental over the smallest most pointless things for no apparent reason?
@@canihavethesauce A lot of people are. Is that a problem for you?
Definitely not in a judgemental way but a very amused way:
I haven't heard amazeballs since I was a teenager that really threw me back hahaha
Man do i wanna see a Monthy Python Samurai version in Japan. Historically accurate yet funny at the same time but every one in the movie is seriously stoic.
That is so interesting! I never thought there was a reason
Perfectly explained I learned something
finally! ive been wondering why i physically cant do this for longer than 2 or 3 minutes. im glad its not just me.
Physically you can, it is just your mind not letting you.
@@DennisLerche because you're exposing yourself, you can't get up in an emergency.
@@mrfixit3666 ohhhh, you have to tell a lot of people actually doing this often for longer time as part of their karate training, they didn't get the memo
"WELP Time to betray the emperor"
**Fails assassination attempt**
Oh fu-
Thankfully the loyalists were also sitting seiza, so you have a head start
If i had only known this earlier, i would have never tried to mimic this.
Like shaking hands. To make sure the other person wasn't holding a gun up their sleeve 😂
I'm suddenly reminded of that episode of Nadesico when Mr. Hori tries to stand up when the gunshots start going off at the peace talks. Like he's about to start stomping on dudes, but instead he falls over and is like "ah... crap. My legs fell asleep..."
There it is, Edo period! Everyone take a drink!
Omg! I thought it was because the sense of control comforts you 😭
I would love to learn proper manners and japanese etiquette from this man