I like the idea of integrated lights on a city or commuter bike, but I don't want the added weight or complexity for my EMTB. I would rather add lights for the times that I need them instead of having them there all the time.
The lights are such a good idea. I even like how the implemented them. I’m digging that whole bike. On another note, I am on my iPad and I forgot to have my speaker on and barely noticed. The sound in the video is pretty good compared to other videos I have watched today. Kudos
Great video Rob, but that music you put in was a such a bop. I could listen to that all day. Can I find it online anywhere? Edit: Its called Arcade by Generation Lost
Hey Rob, love your channel mate, but can you please look into some better value hardtails? Love looking at $10K dual sus eye candy, but would also love to see your thoughts on some more down to earth ebikes every now and again too. Cheers mate
Seriously this seems so obvious. Why is this not already a thing. I use my emtb for both mtb and urban commuting. Would be nice have lights front and rear integrated
adds failure points both mechanically and for the light and maintenance it's the worst idea ever, on older cars the bumpers were plastic and made to take a hit it cost very little to replace them, now headlights and plenty of other unnecessary things are integrated and if you bump your car it'll be 5000
There has been bikes with integrated tail lights for a long time now, they are just super rare. I remember Haibike has had tail lights ages ago and Scott also had a bike with integrated tail lights. Lights in the front are however new and while I do like the idea, it really adds a new failing point to the bike, extra weight and possibly a light that is not living up to our expectations which you are stuck with. Tail lights, yes please. Lights in the front however, no thanks.
@@fredEVOIX yeah that’s a good comparison. I’m glad mine doesn’t have integrated lights. Would still be nice to be able to run lights off the battery but still removable/replaceable
@@fredEVOIX The monkey link they use is a very good idea. It is integrated in the cabeling system and allows you to use the main battery for the lights instead of multiple mini batteries that all need to be charged with dedicated cables and chargers.
The zf motor is 48V. Most others are 36. That is why it can be smaller. Why not 72 volts? I guess we are waiting for the battery technology to catch up.
It’s kinda funny that your just now discovering inverted forks. Kevin from Wrensports up in the San Francisco area has been making these for awhile now. Used to have them on a fat bike I had years ago as well as my downhill/enduro bike. His also came with guards for the lower legs to keep scratches to a minimum. Great guy to deal with to as well as Russ his tech guy. Solid company. That’s why motorcycles use em, stronger.
Integrated lights? Yes for touring/bike packing/commuter setup. No for MTB, you'll be riding during daytime 90% of the time. That ZF motor would fit nicely on a hardtail too.
I always thought lights would work better if they aimed where you want to go. Lights on the fork for example. How come car lights turn with the wheels.
Yes and no, because it's very much a personal preference. > How come car lights turn with the wheels. Cars generally do not have as wild movements of their front wheels as bicycles do. A better comparison is to motorcycle headlights. And with motorcycles they seem to be primarily mounted to move with the fork. The problem with bicycle lights that aim where you aim the wheels is that darkness you're now risk getting a strobe effect. Even on smooth roads, I find it quite annoying to have the lights move whenever I make small adjustments, especially when those small adjustments aren't following my head. head. Bicycles are subject to far more jittering motion than motorcycles and especially cars. To my mind, the ideal is two lights on the bike - one that follows the fork, one that follows the frame.
Needs to be similar to a Exposure 6 pack in output or it adds nothing for me! It would be great if i could have one less thing bolted on, but if it's not bright enough then i'd then need an additional light.
Vehicle regulations require that the lights can be run for a certain number of hours after the vehicle has been turned off. This means that as soon as you plug lights into your ebike, the software recognises this and reserves a portion of your battery capacity. This reduces your range, and is why I'll fit separate usb lights thanks very much.
Friend of mines riding a cube got his axs derailleur powered by the main battery. When he's out of juice, he simply cannot change gears! Just the wrong nice idea
Isn't this more an issue with the battery/motor implementation though? It should be set up so that there is always a minimal amount of juice available in the battery for auxiliaries even if there is not enough to power the motor.
Sorry, but those integrated lights are a very very stupid idea, unless they are using standrad bulbs which can be replaced... otherwise it's one of the WORST examples of planned obsolescence I have EVER seen.
I dislike integrated lights because you will be stuck with a system. The legal recommendations for a bike light are a sad joke. On the other hand I experienced many bikers with super strong head lights which are blinding you because they are misaligned .
A bicycle is not a plane. Stop calling handlebars "cockpit" Bicycles are not cars so stop cslling the bike light "headlight". You are a bicycle. Nothing else.
News Flash…. “Cockpit” does not originate in a plane. It originated from boats. “Headlight” did not originate from a car…hell it was not even a vehicle. “Headlight” originates from illumination in front of you, hence it being so widely used for anything that…illuminates in front of you. I kindly suggest you learn about the language and definitions of words to avoid getting peeved or upset for what turns out to be your own ignorance.
![ЛЕБЕДЕВ у ДУДЯ: муху не обманешь 😁 [Пародия]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/E74h5fvVrqs/mqdefault.jpg)
I like the idea of integrated lights on a city or commuter bike, but I don't want the added weight or complexity for my EMTB. I would rather add lights for the times that I need them instead of having them there all the time.
Integrated is the shite. If you want to shave a few ounces, eat more salad
In Switzerland, since 2023, it's mandatory to have lights on new e-bikes
Great that they can be Turned on & Off
Them trinity brakes look amazing 🤩
The lights are such a good idea. I even like how the implemented them. I’m digging that whole bike.
On another note, I am on my iPad and I forgot to have my speaker on and barely noticed. The sound in the video is pretty good compared to other videos I have watched today. Kudos
Great video Rob, but that music you put in was a such a bop. I could listen to that all day. Can I find it online anywhere? Edit: Its called Arcade by Generation Lost
Gorgeous bike! The kind of bike that makes me wish I was 20 again!!
Great job Rob! Thanks!
It's a nice prototype, but I prefer my LED torch on my helmet. Just give me more battery range instead of an integrated light.
Just turn them off
@@antn8387 leds really don’t use very much power
Hey Rob, love your channel mate, but can you please look into some better value hardtails? Love looking at $10K dual sus eye candy, but would also love to see your thoughts on some more down to earth ebikes every now and again too. Cheers mate
Seriously this seems so obvious. Why is this not already a thing. I use my emtb for both mtb and urban commuting. Would be nice have lights front and rear integrated
adds failure points both mechanically and for the light and maintenance it's the worst idea ever, on older cars the bumpers were plastic and made to take a hit it cost very little to replace them, now headlights and plenty of other unnecessary things are integrated and if you bump your car it'll be 5000
There has been bikes with integrated tail lights for a long time now, they are just super rare. I remember Haibike has had tail lights ages ago and Scott also had a bike with integrated tail lights. Lights in the front are however new and while I do like the idea, it really adds a new failing point to the bike, extra weight and possibly a light that is not living up to our expectations which you are stuck with.
Tail lights, yes please. Lights in the front however, no thanks.
@@VenoXj1 good points. Probably better off just getting nicer lights then being stuck with whatever they give you
@@fredEVOIX yeah that’s a good comparison. I’m glad mine doesn’t have integrated lights. Would still be nice to be able to run lights off the battery but still removable/replaceable
@@fredEVOIX The monkey link they use is a very good idea. It is integrated in the cabeling system and allows you to use the main battery for the lights instead of multiple mini batteries that all need to be charged with dedicated cables and chargers.
Pre-installed frame ligthts are AMAZING on this build. . !
The zf motor is 48V. Most others are 36. That is why it can be smaller. Why not 72 volts? I guess we are waiting for the battery technology to catch up.
It’s kinda funny that your just now discovering inverted forks.
Kevin from Wrensports up in the San Francisco area has been making these for awhile now.
Used to have them on a fat bike I had years ago as well as my downhill/enduro bike.
His also came with guards for the lower legs to keep scratches to a minimum.
Great guy to deal with to as well as Russ his tech guy.
Solid company.
That’s why motorcycles use em, stronger.
The Lytro Fork is just a SR Suntour Fork with different decals.
Apparently the Lytro is based on the SR Suntour fork, but has been tuned by Bulls.
Great E-MTB Podcast, can only prey Bombardier, & Pinion with the (M.G,U, Motor Gearbox Unit) can come close to a similar system. . . !
Those internal lights must weigh less than a few grams...brilliant!
excelente bicicleta
We need more inverted forks! I like what intend has on the market but boy are they pricey and probably even more so for us over here in the US.
Finally!!! How many years did this take? 50 years of e-bikes?!
This bike looks like Bender from Futurama
Integrated lights? Yes for touring/bike packing/commuter setup. No for MTB, you'll be riding during daytime 90% of the time.
That ZF motor would fit nicely on a hardtail too.
we're never going to see a reverse linkage fork again are we.
Bianchi FS eMTB had the built in Bosch controlled lights for 2023
I always thought lights would work better if they aimed where you want to go. Lights on the fork for example. How come car lights turn with the wheels.
Yes and no, because it's very much a personal preference.
> How come car lights turn with the wheels.
Cars generally do not have as wild movements of their front wheels as bicycles do. A better comparison is to motorcycle headlights. And with motorcycles they seem to be primarily mounted to move with the fork.
The problem with bicycle lights that aim where you aim the wheels is that darkness you're now risk getting a strobe effect. Even on smooth roads, I find it quite annoying to have the lights move whenever I make small adjustments, especially when those small adjustments aren't following my head. head. Bicycles are subject to far more jittering motion than motorcycles and especially cars.
To my mind, the ideal is two lights on the bike - one that follows the fork, one that follows the frame.
@@MrMartinSchou or maybe one on the frame and solid light band on your helmet
What coming next is registration, and taxes.
Needs to be similar to a Exposure 6 pack in output or it adds nothing for me! It would be great if i could have one less thing bolted on, but if it's not bright enough then i'd then need an additional light.
6:10 That motor says EP6 RS, not EP8.
I would like to use upside down fork, so my kashima wont be shot by rocks thrown by the front tire 😊
Yeah but do they still keep 10% of your battery for it? Id rather have the battery at the end of the ride against the little lights
Vehicle regulations require that the lights can be run for a certain number of hours after the vehicle has been turned off. This means that as soon as you plug lights into your ebike, the software recognises this and reserves a portion of your battery capacity. This reduces your range, and is why I'll fit separate usb lights thanks very much.
I’m sure that fork is amazing, but it would sketch me out to ride a carbon fork.
Xe nay ở đâu bán
Postęp technologiczny wyznacza trendy teraz tylko chodzi o obniżenie kosztów produkcji.
the dji bike should have integrated cameras
I'd like to see the motor lock until PIN input. Otherwise I'm not going to spend multiple thousands; but then I've had 3 "acoustic" MTB's stolen.
A Bianchi.... Já tinha luzes¿?¿?
Friend of mines riding a cube got his axs derailleur powered by the main battery. When he's out of juice, he simply cannot change gears! Just the wrong nice idea
Isn't this more an issue with the battery/motor implementation though? It should be set up so that there is always a minimal amount of juice available in the battery for auxiliaries even if there is not enough to power the motor.
Good point! That's exactly what I thought at first glance. 5% battery for derailleur lights etc. Hopefully this brand will be smart enough
Thats not true - it needs very little battery and still operates when the motor has not enough charge anymore
As much as I know this is a good idea I still wouldn't want it. But that's just me.
Mnt bikes are slowly morphing into dirt motorcycles
Sorry, but those integrated lights are a very very stupid idea, unless they are using standrad bulbs which can be replaced... otherwise it's one of the WORST examples of planned obsolescence I have EVER seen.
fork sr suntor
Meu sonho é ter uma baike Desa mas n tenho dinheiro pra comprar.uma pra mim
I dislike integrated lights because you will be stuck with a system. The legal recommendations for a bike light are a sad joke. On the other hand I experienced many bikers with super strong head lights which are blinding you because they are misaligned .
Con motor, y desviador trasero; menudo atraso.
City bikes sure, (e)MTB or gravel/racing NO
The bulls Factory quality is so bad ,never again !
all that tech just keeping the rider further from the experience of mtb...
this should be a legal requirement for every bicycle
A bicycle is not a plane. Stop calling handlebars "cockpit"
Bicycles are not cars so stop cslling the bike light "headlight". You are a bicycle. Nothing else.
I'm sorry your mother didn't love you enough. It's all going to be ok 🤗
News Flash…. “Cockpit” does not originate in a plane. It originated from boats.
“Headlight” did not originate from a car…hell it was not even a vehicle. “Headlight” originates from illumination in front of you, hence it being so widely used for anything that…illuminates in front of you.
I kindly suggest you learn about the language and definitions of words to avoid getting peeved or upset for what turns out to be your own ignorance.
That acoustic bullshit is what does me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You need to get laid mate…. 😂
You need to get laid mate……😂
Does anyone else think that when someone rides past on an ebike its super lame?
Nope
Are we not past all this now.
Also why are you watching ebike related UA-cam videos if you don't like them?
I ain't got a problem with ebikes or ebikers i just think that noise sucks
@@max-eb9vimy Yamaha WR450 is quite a bit louder and it’s never bothered me either.