Why is it ok for a black actor to play a white character (which is fine by me), but it’s not ok for a straight actor to play a gay character, or for a white actor to play a black character? It’s got to be consistent. Actors by definition play people who aren’t them.
@Bobbie Charles the only depiction of April was as an old white dude on TAS. Which is why there was a controversy to do a video about. And yes, TAS is now canon. Official Trek says so. It doesn’t matter what Big Rod said 40 years ago.
In Battlestar Galactica 2003 a white man did play a black character. Or maybe more accurately: Colonel Tigh changed being from a black man to a white man. I can't remember any particular backlash about that issue, though maybe it was just drowned out. There was plenty of backlash by the fans over a female Starbuck and that show being made at all. I think it depends on the reasons for making the change and the status of the character for the fandom. E.g. you would not get away with a white Uhura, because that character is a black icon.
Me personally, as long as the actor is able to play the part without playing into negative gay stereotypes - I'm fine with it, because gay actors playing straight characters is also a thing and it should really be based on the audition not the orientation of the actor. There are some that do not like it due to a lack of authenticity. We, as the audience, don't get to see the casting or audition process (usually) so we don't know who actually went for the part or the reasoning behind the casting. There is a general lack of transparency in this area, was a gay actor passed over in favor of a straight one? Did no gay actors audition for the part? We don't know.
i like the fact that the person who created the robert april character for tas has no issue with this change and is happy his character is finally in a official live action trek production which he had been hoping for since he created the character
Exactly, it's just another group of people blaming another group for all of society's ills. Whether it's Jews, blacks, or now the "straight white male": It's irrational lashing out at a tribal group because that's easier than actually coming up with solutions to real problems.
one thing is adrian holmes is now the definitive robert april as he has played the character more times then the one episode of the animated show were they reused another animated show character for the artwork and james doohan voiced him plus there is a photo of a younger pike and robert april in pike's quarters probally taken when pike assumed command of the enterprise from april
As a fan of Star Trek I have to say that this is a TV show. Thank you for getting rid of the racists upfront well said. It’s only for entertainment. People stop reading into the unnecessary drama. If you have such strong feelings then write your own books or scripts and include anyone you want. Just be entertained by what is put in front of you. Non of this is affecting your life one way or another. Learn to deal with it or turn off the TV period. End rant sorry and thank you.
I'm a person of color and for this race swapping thing is ridiculous if they wanted a black actor great they could of given him any generic admirals name but they purposely choose to use Robert April as you said was a white male previously,Hollywood only sees legitimacy in white characters which is why we get race swapping white characters to black and not black to white, so it doesn't matter if their doing race or gender swapping it's just stupid I never needed to be represented on screen tv,movies are just entertainment that's it I represent myself I don't look for fictional characters in a fictional world to give my life purpose or meaning,Spiderman was always my favorite superhero and I never once said man I wish Spiderman was the same color as me so I can feel represented 😮💨🤦🏽♂️Batman, Superman shit most of my favorite superheros are white, some are female it doesn't mater what does matter is respecting the source material and the creators who created these characters respect the legacy of these characters and not use them to push some stupid force diversity and representation BS our entertainment is not a platform for todays "creators "and I use that term loosely because todays writters have no creativity or talent,if politics is your thing then go into that field and let someone who wants to write creative stories with good character development,race and gender swapping has ruined all the best franchises and the damage is so bad I doubt any of them will recover and I don't support any of them.
Art, Media, TV Shows etc, along with Everything Else, Evolves. Some people, like myself, are comfortable with Change because Change is Inevitable... Whereas others find Change unsettling, especially if they were 'top dog' at some point. Best to go with the flow... Because scream all you want, you simply cannot stop Change... The Universe is gonna chug on whether you want it to or not...
Who says it's only a "one way thing"? Both Black characters from the original Battlestar: Galactica (Tigh and Boomer) were "replaced", in the former case by a White actor, in the other by an Asian woman. The "Ancient One" from Dr. Strange was depicted as an Asian male, in the movies a White woman.
Was that "not trans" really established in TAS? Of course it wasn't and we know why. But lore is only what was definitely mentioned on screen. So we may assume that he was a straight, white male, but only the "white" and the "male" part is backed up by the actual episode.
@@gildor8866 since almost no one is trans, that is to be presumed. He was more likely statistically to have a fake heart than to be trans, but we don’t question that characteristic.
And your needing to say this meaning That Robert April must be always cast from here to eternity as a white character because it’s inviolable rule I think wins you this week’s prize as most clueless racist of the week.
It's enough to understand what the components do, but getting a picture in mind for what an inductor does is pretty hard if you're committed to not learning Faraday's Law
In a long running franchise that zips easily between different canon era's across many years elapsed in the real world, or a long established classic such as a Shakespeare play, different actors will have to play characters by the very nature of the art. and as such are subject to interpretation of the directors and actors playing the characters, how the character is played is what is important, if you are seeing just a black face in place of a white and judging only on that, I would ask you to honestly examine your attitudes, does the replacement actor have to look like the original? same hair style and colour, type of nose? what changes are too much? is such a doctrine boxing creative choices?
Instead of eating that apple and after the almost 10 minutes of "officially, legally, treknically and mentally long" disclaimer I think you were on point. :) I missed out on this "drama" totally as I'm not on social media, but I can say this... people seem to have too much time to chew on things like this. First things first, TAS is CANON, PERIOD. It's silly thinking that is not canon, taking that it's been referenced soo many times in newer Trek's such as Picard Season 1, multiple times in Lower Decks and now bringing back April for Strange New World. Speaking of whom... we seen soo little of him in that one animated episode and if he is getting used more and more in this new series might as well let them change him as they fit - just as they did with the Enterprise and a few more other characters. At the end of the day he IS and ALWAYS WAS a fictional character and I find it ridiculous at this point that people are still getting "jersey shored" on these kind of things. That's my two cents on this 25 minutes that turned out to be well wasted. Live long and prosper my friend _\\//
A reasonable, sober take on a “debate” that only stops being hateful where it becomes supremely stupid. Once you get the racism out of the picture (and yes, by all means, screw the racists), the questions boil down to these: to what extent do you buy into the ‘canonicity’ of TAS, and is the casting of April just another example of SNW being a visual reboot of TOS, no different in kind than the changes made to the Enterprise, the uniforms, or the arena on Vulcan that Spock fights in? What about the change in skin color affects April’s character, or his function in the story? Opinions can differ, I suppose. But here’s one thing I’m convinced of: in the enlightened quasi-utopia of Trek’s 23rd Century, people would almost certainly find more productive things to discuss, much less get angry over.
I mean, was the casting of a black man to play Robert April done for inclusion/diversity, or did he provide the best audition for the part? I think we sell the actor short when we make that assumption. And how many actors auditioned for the role and what were their ethnicity? It would be hard to have cast a non-white actor as Pike, Spock, or Chapel - or to change the ethnicity of Uhura, or the nationality of Scotty. On the whole, I personally do not believe that ethnicity should be hard coded into cannon, even for major characters. It seems to me that being stuck on a particular ethnicity goes against the grain of the future universe Rodenberry envisioned. I would think JJ Abrams blowing up Vulcan/ creating an alternate timeline was a bigger blow to cannon than casting a black man as Robert April. And really, whose to say that Admiral Robert April is the same character as Commodore Robert April? Many people in our own time have the same first and last name. Maybe the show runners said it somewhere, maybe they haven't, but if you needed/wanted a plausible explanation, you are welcome.
_Wesley Froedge_ I like a lot of what you said! I do think it's the same Robert April, though. It could be a different one but that would be a bit bizarre coming from the writing team. It would have less weight to it. Funny thing is, I've already head canoned that the transporter officer Kyle isn't the same as in TOS 😂 I'm going to assume that even if there were no auditions, Holmes was chosen because of his charisma and how it suited the role.
I want diversity and more characters of color. But personally it’s a insulting cheap easy way out to cast characters that is already White into people of color. It would be much more original if Adrian Holmes played a totally different character that Captained the Enterprise then a already established character that is already white.
It doesn't really bother me however it's nice to keep established characters as is. They can create new new characters for other actors. It's also disappointing when white actors are cast as characters from other races. For example, why was Benedict Cumberbatch cast in the role of Khan Noonien Singh? The character is specifically Indian so they should have cast an Indian actor. At least, being Mexican, Ricardo Montalban had a darker skin hue which could pass, but a pale British actor playing an Indian character was hard to buy into.
The 1701 original Enterprise is only a couple of decades old. How many prior captains could there be? It makes sense that there was one before Pike, but two?
@@ryanellis7842 it isn’t completely written in stone and Robert April didn’t serve aboard the Enterprise since it’s erection. Between the vessel’s construction until his reassignment there are other officers that would have been there that is next in line for promotion next to Pike. And if Adrian Holmes was to play a exclusive character. Maybe he was commanding officer for only one term after April moved forward and took the promotion to be Admiral. The Counter Clock Incident never have a specific date of his complete service.
For anyone to get hot and bothered over such a minor character as April shows that there is an agenda in full affect. I remember when the show Battlestar Galactica was rebooted and both the characters of Boomer and Tigh were race swapped and in the case of Boomer the sex was swapped as well. I never heard about anyone being upset about it. Maybe it was because they were changed from being black to some other race?
@@TREKontheTUBE kind of it is, unless all the original actors are playing their roles it is definitely a recast. There is a lot of differences, but race is the most important part you choose to focus on.
At first I wanted to dislike SNW because I am over 50 and consider the 1964/65 look and feel of the original Pike era my personal favorite. But I also know they can't recreate that mid 60's look and keep a modern audience (or could they?? ua-cam.com/video/65ZtLReySGo/v-deo.html ). So I went into it with an open mind and LOVED every episode of SNW. (I just couldn't get there with Discovery - TOO much canon changed - I'm sure it's a good show, but . . . I tried) So, I simply consider it an acceptable ALTERNATE timeline. There - casting changes, look changes, everything - just fine. April is the older caucasian British man in the novels and the man we see in TAS. He is also the same man we see in SNW. NOW, what i WISH they had done, was have the creative courage to accept that new modern production techniques are here and make for more creativity than was seen in the previous incarnations and make a NEW FUTURE world of totally NEW characters and events extrapolating the timeline without changing, tweaking, rewriting, ANY of the CANON. The creative forces are there and they are doing great, so why not have a bit more gutsy courage to create afresh?? And I seriously look forward to the days where one does not have to make all the statements about race consciousness and having to explain they aren't racist etc before a discussion like this and just talk. We are all human and "woke" is not a bad word, just another description of being respectful.
I honestly didn't even/care notice this change. It's not a major character, unless you count the novels. They had a trans person play a very convincing two-faced character and they did a great job not making it about her sexuality in the show: they made her/they a great two-faced character with depth. That's more important than placing X number of this tribal group or that tribal group in any show. Just make them play believable characters they actually want to play, and it'll work itself out. We're tired of the preachiness and that's NEVER what Star Trek was ever about!
Your Khan example isn’t quite straight. He theoretically SHOULD be the same ethnicity because everything before the Kelvin incident is the same timeline as prime universe. And Khan is from the 1990s ugenics wars.
_Phillips Hawkins_ Agreed. Though I personally believe the fact the two Khans are different is prove the Kelvin Timeline was around long before the Kelvin incident.
Thanks for your reasonable take on a topic that shouldn't be left to the extremists! Although we may well label DIS/SNW as a reboot IMHO and although the canon status of TAS has been shaky in the past, the people who create the series have their rules in these regards that they break with the ethnicity swap. Why not leave it at casting the majority of new roles with non-white actors, the way it happens anyway in DIS and SNW? The new April is gratuitous extra representation. But it's still a small problem compared to the Enterprise being a lot bigger, technology being a lot more powerful, not to mention spores and "Klingons". Regarding reimagined characters, I actually have a bigger problem with Nurse Chapel. There is no way the demure woman from TOS could be identical to the cheeky person from SNW. If SNW is not a reboot, she would have to undergo a very unfortunate development to become the TOS Chapel... The redefinition of a minor character such as April is not such a big deal in comparison, still it should be allowed to discuss it. As for the discourse, it is sad that it hardly could take place considering that many forum threads or Twitter posts that I saw preemptively labeled any criticism of the casting decision as racist - a close-minded attitude, which ultimately only strengthened the position of the real racist idiots.
@@SC-mq1eh I'm not complaining how Chapel was, I'm complaining that the character was totally changed. If they wanted to have a self-confident woman on the show they ought to have given her a different name. And just for the record, the new Chapel is the more interesting character.
So we are supposed to be prissy abut ignoring a minor fact of a cartoon of dubious canonicity in another case of Conservatives finally noticing that Star Trek has been kind of crapping on them since the 60s.
Conservatives don’t have a problem with a great black actor playing Pike (I loved him in Bel Air). The issue is when some actor gets canceled for daring to play a gay or Latino character when they are white. That’s just stupid. Acting is about playing people who aren’t you.
Nice to actually see a video from you as for the subject I don’t actually care one way or the other, it’s so common these days to change characters and let’s not forget the change of race of Kyal as well. Look it’s window dressing as is the changes to the ship and everything else. He has as you said look how the Klingons changed in TMP and makeup for other races. So why waste time worrying about it it TV not real life. I got pissed off when they changed the Klingons again in Discovery but hell the entire first season was rubbish so does it really matter? Gee I’m watching a Kiwi living in Canada doing Trek UA-cam videos what a world!
The problem with creating a new character is when they do that people complain about them more often than not. It's always an issue because the fans always say the character is in some way a horrible addition to the franchise. Going back year. Even ToS fans hated on TNG at one point in time. April is more of a minor background character in my opinion so his change wasn't that big of a deal to me.
This irrational wokeness madness has totally killed all enjoyment of Star Trek for me. Beginning with this shity Burnham show. However, same with Star Wars, Power of the Rings, and so much more. I really, really hate it.
fyi DSC and now SNW, are visual reboots but my gawd seems a lot of Trekkies are like the worst people! and I thought the other star franchise had all the idiots
How anyone cares oh about this is beyond me including the supposed emotion from Commodore to Admiral. Nobody watched the animated series But dumb desperate kids that would gobble up anything Star Trek. There are the 70+ episodes of the series ranked from 10 best down to the 10 worst. Then below that in quality is anything from the animated series. Counter clog incident is a silly episode. The cruise time traveling and therefore the crew gets younger therefore the oldest and most senior officer April stays Mature enough longer so he can be the guy who saves the crew. What does his color have to do with anything. If you can tell the story without mentioning anyone’s color end it doesn’t change the story one wit, color doesn’t matter. The only distinctive quality about April was his age.
@Bobbie Charles Roddenberry had TAS removed from the offical canon because he did a few things in the animated series to which he didn't want to be bound/limited in TNG. Now we can ignore that and consider TAS canon, but then we should also accept that there may be instances where Roddenberry contradict himself in TNG, e.g. those personal forcefields serving as spacesuits never seen outside TAS. My personal stance on this is that TAS is canon unless contradicted by the other shows.
@@ryanellis7842 That decision by Roddenberry was in 1988 and Paramount went along, at least for the time being. Today the status is offically "ambigous", but given the number or references other shows (from DS9 to Lower decks) have made to TAS most of the writers seem to treat it like canon 🙂
@Bobbie Charles The thing about "not being canon" is that it doesn't mean that all those things in TAS never happened - we just have no proof that it happened. So we can have still have the T for Tiberius and the Holodeck but at the same time are not bound to have an inflatable decoy-enterprise or the personal-forcefields.
Why is it ok for a black actor to play a white character (which is fine by me), but it’s not ok for a straight actor to play a gay character, or for a white actor to play a black character?
It’s got to be consistent. Actors by definition play people who aren’t them.
April wasn't an anything character before. TAS isn't canon.
@Bobbie Charles the only depiction of April was as an old white dude on TAS. Which is why there was a controversy to do a video about. And yes, TAS is now canon. Official Trek says so. It doesn’t matter what Big Rod said 40 years ago.
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really doesn't matter is TAS is canon or not - trek has been walking all over its own canon well before 2009
In Battlestar Galactica 2003 a white man did play a black character. Or maybe more accurately: Colonel Tigh changed being from a black man to a white man. I can't remember any particular backlash about that issue, though maybe it was just drowned out. There was plenty of backlash by the fans over a female Starbuck and that show being made at all.
I think it depends on the reasons for making the change and the status of the character for the fandom. E.g. you would not get away with a white Uhura, because that character is a black icon.
Me personally, as long as the actor is able to play the part without playing into negative gay stereotypes - I'm fine with it, because gay actors playing straight characters is also a thing and it should really be based on the audition not the orientation of the actor. There are some that do not like it due to a lack of authenticity. We, as the audience, don't get to see the casting or audition process (usually) so we don't know who actually went for the part or the reasoning behind the casting. There is a general lack of transparency in this area, was a gay actor passed over in favor of a straight one? Did no gay actors audition for the part? We don't know.
i like the fact that the person who created the robert april character for tas has no issue with this change and is happy his character is finally in a official live action trek production which he had been hoping for since he created the character
Wokism goes hand in hand with racism.
Exactly, it's just another group of people blaming another group for all of society's ills. Whether it's Jews, blacks, or now the "straight white male": It's irrational lashing out at a tribal group because that's easier than actually coming up with solutions to real problems.
More accurately if woke is in your critical fan vocabulary,, You probably should not be surprised when people think you’re a racist
one thing is adrian holmes is now the definitive robert april as he has played the character more times then the one episode of the animated show were they reused another animated show character for the artwork and james doohan voiced him plus there is a photo of a younger pike and robert april in pike's quarters probally taken when pike assumed command of the enterprise from april
As a fan of Star Trek I have to say that this is a TV show. Thank you for getting rid of the racists upfront well said. It’s only for entertainment. People stop reading into the unnecessary drama. If you have such strong feelings then write your own books or scripts and include anyone you want. Just be entertained by what is put in front of you. Non of this is affecting your life one way or another. Learn to deal with it or turn off the TV period. End rant sorry and thank you.
I'm a person of color and for this race swapping thing is ridiculous if they wanted a black actor great they could of given him any generic admirals name but they purposely choose to use Robert April as you said was a white male previously,Hollywood only sees legitimacy in white characters which is why we get race swapping white characters to black and not black to white, so it doesn't matter if their doing race or gender swapping it's just stupid I never needed to be represented on screen tv,movies are just entertainment that's it I represent myself I don't look for fictional characters in a fictional world to give my life purpose or meaning,Spiderman was always my favorite superhero and I never once said man I wish Spiderman was the same color as me so I can feel represented 😮💨🤦🏽♂️Batman, Superman shit most of my favorite superheros are white, some are female it doesn't mater what does matter is respecting the source material and the creators who created these characters respect the legacy of these characters and not use them to push some stupid force diversity and representation BS our entertainment is not a platform for todays "creators "and I use that term loosely because todays writters have no creativity or talent,if politics is your thing then go into that field and let someone who wants to write creative stories with good character development,race and gender swapping has ruined all the best franchises and the damage is so bad I doubt any of them will recover and I don't support any of them.
Very thoughtful video & I enjoyed hearing your thoughts. I loved seeing a black actor cast as Robert April. The actor was very good too!
_Braxton McNeill_
Thanks for the kind words! And yeah, he was great. I hope we see more of him going forward.
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Art, Media, TV Shows etc, along with Everything Else, Evolves. Some people, like myself, are comfortable with Change because Change is Inevitable... Whereas others find Change unsettling, especially if they were 'top dog' at some point.
Best to go with the flow... Because scream all you want, you simply cannot stop Change... The Universe is gonna chug on whether you want it to or not...
Who says it's only a "one way thing"? Both Black characters from the original Battlestar: Galactica (Tigh and Boomer) were "replaced", in the former case by a White actor, in the other by an Asian woman. The "Ancient One" from Dr. Strange was depicted as an Asian male, in the movies a White woman.
How can anybody say that there aren't _two_ Robert Aprils?
Robert April was white. He was not black. He was not Asian. He was not trans. He was white. That's not racism, that's lore. Plain and simple. The end.
Was that "not trans" really established in TAS? Of course it wasn't and we know why. But lore is only what was definitely mentioned on screen. So we may assume that he was a straight, white male, but only the "white" and the "male" part is backed up by the actual episode.
@@gildor8866 since almost no one is trans, that is to be presumed. He was more likely statistically to have a fake heart than to be trans, but we don’t question that characteristic.
And your needing to say this meaning That Robert April must be always cast from here to eternity as a white character because it’s inviolable rule I think wins you this week’s prize as most clueless racist of the week.
It's enough to understand what the components do, but getting a picture in mind for what an inductor does is pretty hard if you're committed to not learning Faraday's Law
In a long running franchise that zips easily between different canon era's across many years elapsed in the real world, or a long established classic such as a Shakespeare play, different actors will have to play characters by the very nature of the art. and as such are subject to interpretation of the directors and actors playing the characters, how the character is played is what is important, if you are seeing just a black face in place of a white and judging only on that, I would ask you to honestly examine your attitudes, does the replacement actor have to look like the original? same hair style and colour, type of nose? what changes are too much? is such a doctrine boxing creative choices?
Instead of eating that apple and after the almost 10 minutes of "officially, legally, treknically and mentally long" disclaimer I think you were on point. :) I missed out on this "drama" totally as I'm not on social media, but I can say this... people seem to have too much time to chew on things like this. First things first, TAS is CANON, PERIOD. It's silly thinking that is not canon, taking that it's been referenced soo many times in newer Trek's such as Picard Season 1, multiple times in Lower Decks and now bringing back April for Strange New World. Speaking of whom... we seen soo little of him in that one animated episode and if he is getting used more and more in this new series might as well let them change him as they fit - just as they did with the Enterprise and a few more other characters. At the end of the day he IS and ALWAYS WAS a fictional character and I find it ridiculous at this point that people are still getting "jersey shored" on these kind of things. That's my two cents on this 25 minutes that turned out to be well wasted. Live long and prosper my friend _\\//
A reasonable, sober take on a “debate” that only stops being hateful where it becomes supremely stupid. Once you get the racism out of the picture (and yes, by all means, screw the racists), the questions boil down to these: to what extent do you buy into the ‘canonicity’ of TAS, and is the casting of April just another example of SNW being a visual reboot of TOS, no different in kind than the changes made to the Enterprise, the uniforms, or the arena on Vulcan that Spock fights in? What about the change in skin color affects April’s character, or his function in the story?
Opinions can differ, I suppose. But here’s one thing I’m convinced of: in the enlightened quasi-utopia of Trek’s 23rd Century, people would almost certainly find more productive things to discuss, much less get angry over.
The problem is that wokeness became first priority, rendering story telling and science unimportant.
I mean, was the casting of a black man to play Robert April done for inclusion/diversity, or did he provide the best audition for the part? I think we sell the actor short when we make that assumption. And how many actors auditioned for the role and what were their ethnicity? It would be hard to have cast a non-white actor as Pike, Spock, or Chapel - or to change the ethnicity of Uhura, or the nationality of Scotty. On the whole, I personally do not believe that ethnicity should be hard coded into cannon, even for major characters. It seems to me that being stuck on a particular ethnicity goes against the grain of the future universe Rodenberry envisioned. I would think JJ Abrams blowing up Vulcan/ creating an alternate timeline was a bigger blow to cannon than casting a black man as Robert April. And really, whose to say that Admiral Robert April is the same character as Commodore Robert April? Many people in our own time have the same first and last name. Maybe the show runners said it somewhere, maybe they haven't, but if you needed/wanted a plausible explanation, you are welcome.
_Wesley Froedge_
I like a lot of what you said! I do think it's the same Robert April, though. It could be a different one but that would be a bit bizarre coming from the writing team. It would have less weight to it.
Funny thing is, I've already head canoned that the transporter officer Kyle isn't the same as in TOS 😂
I'm going to assume that even if there were no auditions, Holmes was chosen because of his charisma and how it suited the role.
I want diversity and more characters of color. But personally it’s a insulting cheap easy way out to cast characters that is already White into people of color.
It would be much more original if Adrian Holmes played a totally different character that Captained the Enterprise then a already established character that is already white.
It doesn't really bother me however it's nice to keep established characters as is. They can create new new characters for other actors. It's also disappointing when white actors are cast as characters from other races. For example, why was Benedict Cumberbatch cast in the role of Khan Noonien Singh? The character is specifically Indian so they should have cast an Indian actor. At least, being Mexican, Ricardo Montalban had a darker skin hue which could pass, but a pale British actor playing an Indian character was hard to buy into.
The 1701 original Enterprise is only a couple of decades old. How many prior captains could there be? It makes sense that there was one before Pike, but two?
@@ryanellis7842 it isn’t completely written in stone and Robert April didn’t serve aboard the Enterprise since it’s erection. Between the vessel’s construction until his reassignment there are other officers that would have been there that is next in line for promotion next to Pike. And if Adrian Holmes was to play a exclusive character. Maybe he was commanding officer for only one term after April moved forward and took the promotion to be Admiral.
The Counter Clock Incident never have a specific date of his complete service.
@@ryanellis7842 BTW: what ever happened to characters such as Philip Boyce, Jose Tyler, Mia Colt, Pitcairn, Garrison and Fisher???
@@Trekbuys the transporter Chief Kyle. Wasn’t he British and white???
Instead he’s now Asian.
For anyone to get hot and bothered over such a minor character as April shows that there is an agenda in full affect. I remember when the show Battlestar Galactica was rebooted and both the characters of Boomer and Tigh were race swapped and in the case of Boomer the sex was swapped as well. I never heard about anyone being upset about it. Maybe it was because they were changed from being black to some other race?
Keep in mind this is not a reboot.
@@TREKontheTUBE kind of it is, unless all the original actors are playing their roles it is definitely a recast. There is a lot of differences, but race is the most important part you choose to focus on.
At first I wanted to dislike SNW because I am over 50 and consider the 1964/65 look and feel of the original Pike era my personal favorite. But I also know they can't recreate that mid 60's look and keep a modern audience (or could they?? ua-cam.com/video/65ZtLReySGo/v-deo.html ). So I went into it with an open mind and LOVED every episode of SNW. (I just couldn't get there with Discovery - TOO much canon changed - I'm sure it's a good show, but . . . I tried)
So, I simply consider it an acceptable ALTERNATE timeline.
There - casting changes, look changes, everything - just fine. April is the older caucasian British man in the novels and the man we see in TAS. He is also the same man we see in SNW. NOW, what i WISH they had done, was have the creative courage to accept that new modern production techniques are here and make for more creativity than was seen in the previous incarnations and make a NEW FUTURE world of totally NEW characters and events extrapolating the timeline without changing, tweaking, rewriting, ANY of the CANON. The creative forces are there and they are doing great, so why not have a bit more gutsy courage to create afresh??
And I seriously look forward to the days where one does not have to make all the statements about race consciousness and having to explain they aren't racist etc before a discussion like this and just talk. We are all human and "woke" is not a bad word, just another description of being respectful.
I honestly didn't even/care notice this change. It's not a major character, unless you count the novels. They had a trans person play a very convincing two-faced character and they did a great job not making it about her sexuality in the show: they made her/they a great two-faced character with depth. That's more important than placing X number of this tribal group or that tribal group in any show. Just make them play believable characters they actually want to play, and it'll work itself out. We're tired of the preachiness and that's NEVER what Star Trek was ever about!
Some descendants, have the same name, & join their father's career
Your Khan example isn’t quite straight. He theoretically SHOULD be the same ethnicity because everything before the Kelvin incident is the same timeline as prime universe. And Khan is from the 1990s ugenics wars.
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Agreed. Though I personally believe the fact the two Khans are different is prove the Kelvin Timeline was around long before the Kelvin incident.
Thanks for your reasonable take on a topic that shouldn't be left to the extremists! Although we may well label DIS/SNW as a reboot IMHO and although the canon status of TAS has been shaky in the past, the people who create the series have their rules in these regards that they break with the ethnicity swap. Why not leave it at casting the majority of new roles with non-white actors, the way it happens anyway in DIS and SNW? The new April is gratuitous extra representation. But it's still a small problem compared to the Enterprise being a lot bigger, technology being a lot more powerful, not to mention spores and "Klingons".
Regarding reimagined characters, I actually have a bigger problem with Nurse Chapel. There is no way the demure woman from TOS could be identical to the cheeky person from SNW. If SNW is not a reboot, she would have to undergo a very unfortunate development to become the TOS Chapel... The redefinition of a minor character such as April is not such a big deal in comparison, still it should be allowed to discuss it.
As for the discourse, it is sad that it hardly could take place considering that many forum threads or Twitter posts that I saw preemptively labeled any criticism of the casting decision as racist - a close-minded attitude, which ultimately only strengthened the position of the real racist idiots.
umm 90% of every female character pre-Ripley(alien) were demure
@@SC-mq1eh I'm not complaining how Chapel was, I'm complaining that the character was totally changed. If they wanted to have a self-confident woman on the show they ought to have given her a different name. And just for the record, the new Chapel is the more interesting character.
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I don't think it's a big deal to enrich a pretty milquetoast character - they've done the same thing with pike and no one is mad
So we are supposed to be prissy abut ignoring a minor fact of a cartoon of dubious canonicity in another case of Conservatives finally noticing that Star Trek has been kind of crapping on them since the 60s.
Conservatives don’t have a problem with a great black actor playing Pike (I loved him in Bel Air). The issue is when some actor gets canceled for daring to play a gay or Latino character when they are white. That’s just stupid. Acting is about playing people who aren’t you.
Nice to actually see a video from you as for the subject I don’t actually care one way or the other, it’s so common these days to change characters and let’s not forget the change of race of Kyal as well. Look it’s window dressing as is the changes to the ship and everything else. He has as you said look how the Klingons changed in TMP and makeup for other races. So why waste time worrying about it it TV not real life. I got pissed off when they changed the Klingons again in Discovery but hell the entire first season was rubbish so does it really matter?
Gee I’m watching a Kiwi living in Canada doing Trek UA-cam videos what a world!
The problem with creating a new character is when they do that people complain about them more often than not. It's always an issue because the fans always say the character is in some way a horrible addition to the franchise. Going back year. Even ToS fans hated on TNG at one point in time. April is more of a minor background character in my opinion so his change wasn't that big of a deal to me.
wait. God is a robot?
This irrational wokeness madness has totally killed all enjoyment of Star Trek for me. Beginning with this shity Burnham show. However, same with Star Wars, Power of the Rings, and so much more. I really, really hate it.
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fyi DSC and now SNW, are visual reboots
but my gawd seems a lot of Trekkies are like the worst people! and I thought the other star franchise had all the idiots
How anyone cares oh about this is beyond me including the supposed emotion from Commodore to Admiral. Nobody watched the animated series But dumb desperate kids that would gobble up anything Star Trek. There are the 70+ episodes of the series ranked from 10 best down to the 10 worst. Then below that in quality is anything from the animated series. Counter clog incident is a silly episode. The cruise time traveling and therefore the crew gets younger therefore the oldest and most senior officer April stays Mature enough longer so he can be the guy who saves the crew. What does his color have to do with anything. If you can tell the story without mentioning anyone’s color end it doesn’t change the story one wit, color doesn’t matter. The only distinctive quality about April was his age.
Tas is barely canon. qq
@Bobbie Charles Roddenberry had TAS removed from the offical canon because he did a few things in the animated series to which he didn't want to be bound/limited in TNG. Now we can ignore that and consider TAS canon, but then we should also accept that there may be instances where Roddenberry contradict himself in TNG, e.g. those personal forcefields serving as spacesuits never seen outside TAS. My personal stance on this is that TAS is canon unless contradicted by the other shows.
@@gildor8866 vague decisions by Big Rod in 1975 are not the governing authority. Clearly Paramount considers TAS to be canon, so it is.
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if we can have 50ft Spock and inflatable enterprise decoy, we can have a black April - not the end of the world bruv
@@ryanellis7842 That decision by Roddenberry was in 1988 and Paramount went along, at least for the time being. Today the status is offically "ambigous", but given the number or references other shows (from DS9 to Lower decks) have made to TAS most of the writers seem to treat it like canon 🙂
@Bobbie Charles The thing about "not being canon" is that it doesn't mean that all those things in TAS never happened - we just have no proof that it happened. So we can have still have the T for Tiberius and the Holodeck but at the same time are not bound to have an inflatable decoy-enterprise or the personal-forcefields.