The League that will profit the most from this development is the Bundesliga. If every league loses it’s identity, then why watch it. The only advantage that England and Spain have is the linguistic advantage, but as soon as their league looses it’s identity and at the same time becomes more and more expensive people will see the Bundesliga as the go-to. Affordable football "like it used to be"
I was gonna disagree but you’re probably right. Playing games outside of England/spain isn’t gonna benefit the growth of the leagues. Ticket revenue is gonna be nice for them, but most people going are already gonna be fans of the league. Meanwhile it’s also gonna price out most potential new fans. The more authentic, grassroots nature of the bundesliga will then attract fans since it’ll stand out. The Bundesliga has grown a lot in the past 10 years outside Germany, and something you see a lot of the fans praise fan ownership and its identity
I hope you are right. If the Bundesliga way were to proof more sustainable and ideally were to be imitated eventually, it would be a beautiful story. But I am not sure, at every step of commercializing in the last couple of years I heard people talk about how they would rather watch their local amateur side under such circumstances because that is football how it used to be. How many people have actually been doing that?
I don't think you understand what supporting a team means. Leeds United supporters or Newcastle supporters are not going to switch their allegiance to a random Bundesliga team just because they like how the league treats its fans. The whole reason football clubs in England and other countries can get away with treating their fans like shit is because they won't go somewhere else no matter how much they complain. I enjoy watching Bundesliga games but I don't identify with any of the teams and I am not invested in the league at all. As a Newcastle supporter how they do is literally all I care about in the world of football, and that is true of every supporter of any team in England at least.
One issue which ultimately kills any Bundesliga hype. One team dominance. Yes, Leverkusen won this year but it took unbeaten season and Harry Kane curse. Both of these aren't lasting forever. Until there is more parity, any hope for Bundesliga gaining any advantage over England and Spain is futile. And while 50+1 ownership and stuff is great for fans, it's also great for Bayern as it's effectively blocking any team from leapfroging them
Doesn't even matter to me I live on the east coast and know where they would host the game it would legit be cheaper for me to fly to the uk and watch a match over their than to fly to la or nyc to watch match in prem match over here Also one of my dreams is to watch soccer in Europe, it just wouldn't be that same to watch soccer here I wanna see the cities the people the culture I don't think it's just about watching a team
@@kieronparr3403 friendlies don't burn out players, they do the opposite, friendlies are supposed to warm the players up so they can get ready for the regular season
Friendlies are often the backups and lack star power. Playing a game that has actual value, and consequences, draws a much bigger audience and therefore ticket prices.
@@Lucas-dg4znWimbledon FC was bought by a new owner some time in the late 90s early 00s, and the owner moved the team from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes and changed their name to MK Dons. That’s pretty common in the US, such as in the case of the Lakers (originally from Minneapolis, where the name makes more sense than it does in LA) but was completely unheard of here. Every football fan in the country, including non-Wimbledon fans, reacted very negatively and there’s still a stigma around MK today. It was widely celebrated when AFC Wimbledon beat MK Dons for the first time.
@@Hartley_Hare It’s funny, enough time has passed now that I have slightly mixed feelings about MK. There will be so many kids growing up in that town who were born after the move and feel an affinity for their local club. Doesn’t excuse what happened obviously but they’re in a tricky position. Maybe they just embrace it, like Millwall, I’m not sure.
I appreciate that other people get to experience a game that is meaningful, but I always return to supporting my local NFL team, the Green Bay Packers. Being in one of the smallest cities in the market, the Packers bring significant revenue to the community. When they play games overseas or in Brazil, as they are doing this year, it is detrimental to the local economy due to the loss of revenue for the city and surrounding businesses. Considering the UK is smaller than New England, I can understand how the revenue generated by the teams is crucial to the future of these towns and cities.
I’m staunchly against this; I am pro club World Cup though; if they want games “abroad” there you have them. Once every four years, it’s big enough of a compromise already.
6:30 the irony of bringing up the Packers as the example when they are the only major US sports franchise which is actually a publicly owned not-for-profit entity is just delicious lol
This is unfortunately what happens with the brazilian league. It is way tougher to play in brazilian league just out of the fact that you literally will play 3 to 3 days (sometimes even less) against randomly teams from all over the country. On top of that their regional league, the cup and the sudamericano or libertadores. You need basically 2 good squads with rotation to be successful in the competition. Like imagine in the MLS if they do matches every 3 days, playing a match in California, 3 days later play in New York, 3 days later play in like Washington, etc. It's ridiculous.
I think you might forget the point that it won't grow further the international audience. Because all of the games will either be in the USA or the Middle East. It's ultimately about the biggest payout over the fans. It's the same reason why teams don't often rotate their preseason tours anymore and go to the same places. My dad got to see a couple when pre-season tours came to Africa
trust me there is a huge difference in fandom between usa and europe ... for many in europe there is the club on #1 then a long nothing and then comes family and friends :) the club is far above all of them, they live the club, they live their live around the games of the club. its crazy but there are tons of people like that xD telling such a person (who is very often in the lower income bracket) that one of their home games is played in the usa and they cant see it, and they totaly go crazy
This is so true, some families have supported clubs for like 70 -80 years. In any bar in Europe you can start a conversation just asking how the local team are doing, doesn't matter if it's Barcelona or Grimsby - people care a ridiculous amount about their clubs.
@@carverbrauchle891 College Sports is more like what what we are talking about - I know they played a few games in Tokyo and Dublin,but imagine if they tried that with Ohio State v Michigan or Alabama v Auburn?
You think that doesn't happen in the US? Talk to any Detroit Lions fan. They haven't won anything in 70 years, and those fans live and breathe the team. The only thing Europe has that the US doesn't is the more city focus - each city has their own team(s). In the US, it's usually more of a state thing.
I think one league to look at where this ultimately failed is Australia. Not the A-League, but AFL and to a lesser extent NRL. The AFL had an experiment where there was 3 league games played from 2017-19 played in China to grow the sport in Asia. Obviously lost a lot of money with crowd sizes around 10000 and 2020 events caused the experiment to end. Several exhibition and preseason matches have been played overseas (Los Angeles, London), which is no different to top sides. The NRL had a season opener in Las Vegas recently. I'm south of the Barassi Line, so I'm not well versed on how that played out or if it's set to become a regular fixture.
@@williamcross210 im bald it’s great. Women love it. You just have to be a man about it. Men aren’t supposed to be cute or sweet looking. Women love it. You just can’t be a soy jack about. Like if Alejandro garnacho broke with his hair he is either assumed to be a drug dealer or sus. He has the beard. Keep holding on to that hair on your head put on 20lbs and put on a suit, you’ll look like used crappy car salesman instead of a lawyer in every wedding photo and job interview Shave it. You’ll like the way you look and you’ll like the way people look at you.
True about Tottenham... :( Though being a Spurs fan I'm just happy I got to see the team I love lift a trophy even if it was the Carling cup. I really hope this doesn't happen with the premier league, it's just sad to know that it's a possibility. Another great vid Z, keep it up.
The franchise can love when they want a bigger stadium or they think they’re too big for their city/town. Until this changes it’ll just mean more abroad than here. It’s kind of a big difference.
Zealand, I'd definitely watch a video where you dive a little deeper into "allowing a sports team become an uncomfortably large part of their life". The psychology of it and the fine line between it being healthy (social connections, shared desires etc) and unhealthy (a bad result ruining a week, hostile environments turning to violence etc). Chat to some psychologists and some die hard supporter's (and their partners) and you've got a nice documentary.. probably a huge amount of work though!
There's this thing called television. You can watch live football from all over the world. The clubs/leagues make big money from it. So do the TV companies. How many people see Chelsea live at the stadiums. Yeah, ok it'd be nice for American fans to see Chelsea versus Man U in the flesh league game, whatever. But that means the stadium going fans in the UK don't get to see them in the flesh. Doesn't seem right to me. I'm a Chelsea fan, you guessed? I don't even live in London, I'll probably never get to Stamford Bridge . Maybe come up with legit tournament that can be played in US. The Atlantic Cup, or something. MLS teams vs Premier League. Might need some kind of handicap system there.
This is why we have pre season TOURS. Also I dare you to try a move a clubs home league game abroad, on my mothers life the fans would have a witch hunt when the club gets back to England lol they will strike, they will protest. Like how we got the super league clubs to reverse their decision. Imagine having such an important game and you don’t have home advantage….
This. I'm a Tottenham fan, the club are in Korea at the moment. They have a game against the K league best 11 and then another one against Bayern Munich
The question has to be asked- why did Z *just happen* to get a couch the same week we hear about JD Vance's intimate affairs with couches himself? Not so apolitical after all, are we Zealand?!
IMO the super league will happen in one way or another, but it is NOT about bringing the game to people who don't care about it. That would mean ticket prices would have to meet the average Joe pocket, which it does not even now.
I think the difference between American sports vs football clubs isn't perhaps the level of passion, but just how the teams come about - American sports franchises are mostly something started by a businessman and so that's partly why the culture around relocating teams is accepted without a world-ending war because it's nice to have in the community while it's there but ultimately it's essentially a loyalty to a person's team. With football clubs though for the most part they came from the community and businessmen (especially big business) largely only got involved when a lot of money came in, so the idea of a town's football team leaving to go to another town is completely alien because a) that town probably already has a team anyway) and b) it just wouldn't make any sense given the roots are the town itself, not just that it happened to be located there. So when they want to play games abroad it's not so much taking the game away to show it off to another group of people, it's taking one game a year away from that community and feels like a huge slap in the face
I'd like to add to this that if you want to compare it to the American context you should look at College sports in the US. That's much more like club football in Europe and South America. Would the Michican Wolverines ever consider moving to another university? No! Because they are rooted in their University and that other university already has a team anyway. Nor would a college team consider playing abroad for some quick bucks, that would just deprive the fans within the university and the local community od a precious home game.....
@@oilslick7010 True, although they've started doing games abroad where Notre Dame I think play in Ireland for a pre-season game? I don't feel like it'd go further than that really but still, foot in the door...
I have an idea FIFA can implement to fix this Imagine a month or a few weeks in the football season where all the first division leagues in the world gets to play abroad In order to this this, one nation must make an agreement with another to switch match days (Imagine the EPL makes a deal in the MLS so that Chelsea v Arsenal is played in Charlotte while Charlotte FC vs Atlanta United is played in London) And as part of the agreement, the nation that wants this has to pay for the other nations travel and hotel costs All continental tournaments are paused and the Super Cups are allowed to go abroad (but not the FA Cups) This way, Europe can grow their game and America can grow theirs too
if they do that there will be te problem with the season ticket holders so you need to play 2 or 4 matches abroad so every team have even amount of home matches and you cant make the big matches/rivalries (Leverpool:everton, Arsenal:totenham, city:united etc)
Preseason games in foreign countries, against foreign teams, is the best of both of these worlds. Playing tournament finals, super cups, etc in foreign countries works because the venue is already neutral. You can't play regular season outside of one of the team's stadiums without implicitly giving one team an advantage.
I say we just send exclusively Fulham and another bottom half team. Dont have to worry about fixture congestion with Fulham, and you can play them in Jacksonville while the Jaguars are in London, considering they have the same owner
I don't see how a EPL regular season game can work abroad, but it make sense if they play the final of the carabao cup or the community shield or both, on the other hand playing it on Saudi Arabia or USA it's a game for money, US dollars or Oil dollars at the end have they same value for the club wallet and the people who are in charge
Playing games abroad would be huge for clubs. Look at ManU. They are a joke of a club, but have one of the biggest global fan bases because they used the early 2000s for some heavy touring. This large fan base makes marketing rights more valuable, it means merchandise being sold and it gives the club a larger reputation than the results would warrant.
Leagues which could actually benefit from having that one-two games played in US, Japan, or somewhere else - Ligue 1, and Serie A. Ligue 1 kind of needs more international fans to be interested, and they basically should do anything what they can to do such abroad games. Look what recently happened to Bordeaux, you even talked about it. Serie A just has those "brands" like Juventus, Inter, Milan, Napoli, Roma, Lazio which many fans in their 30's remember well, and younger fans recognize them as well. As for schedule and timing of such games they should happen before national teams "window". Therefore team would go to US or Japan for example, and after game players called for NT will just travel directly back to their home countries. Also one more thing is that the number of games played home is already high. In most leagues you have at least 17 home games in just league. Then you have country cup, and sometimes league cup, and better teams also play games in continental competitions. The thing which could make sense... well I mentioned some teams, imagine if Marseille and Lyon wouldn't make it to continental competitions, so you organize their game in US, Canada, China, or even in some country which has big population but wouldn't be your first destination - for example Indonesia. The whole mention about youth structure, academies and all that... sorry but as someone who follows the u-21 ball as well I can say that sometimes those youngsters have as busy schedule as senior team. Just look at when those national team U-17 or U-18 tournaments are happening, like euro's or world cup, they are in may or june, and sometimes even in april. Sometimes players start season in their U-18 team, then they play well, are moved to 2nd team/senior reserve team. Then they've get a call from one of national teams. Youth teams and players just live their own life.
And that means a team either has one less home game or one less away game... get your plastic fan arse out of English football... go ruin la liga or der farmersliga
The logistics for the NFL playing in Europe are WAY more complicated, Wendover Productions did a whole video about it. They will do it, some people will squawk for a few years and then it will just be normal.
@jekanyika they do. But they fly *within Europe* which is such a small distance compared to where they would be flying - the US, China etc. That takes so much longer, and is so much more disruptive to not only the schedule, but the players' routine and fitness. At the end of the day, it's about the same timescale for a London club to go to France vs Manchester
Imagine Liverpool vs United is held in the USA. But United vs Liverpool is held back in Manchester. HOME and AWAY is sacrosanct in European football. Only sanctions and stadium rebuilds should be exceptions. Also, owners should only be based in the league's home nation. Should also be fan majority owned.
This happens in brazilian football and its one of the major issues in their league. Giant league (in terms of number of teams) with congested calendar due to outside months having the regional championships which makes them play a team in like São Paulo and 3 days later play in Fortaleza. It's 3000km distance, different weather, pressure, humidity etc. 1 of the 3 days rest is basically the trip (plane, bus to the hotel, setting up all rooms) which hardly any of it is really to rest, then 1 regular training session then 1 opponent specific training session or something and its already the match. Ridiculous
My thought is the matchups should be big draw club vs smaller and the smaller club chooses whether they get the max cut of the American stadium profits or keep their home fixture.
It gives one team an unfair advantage where one of the teams is basically playing two fixtures away. The whole point in 2 fixtures vs each team is to even out home and away fixtures and make it as fair as possible. Why should Fulham for example have to play United at Old Trafford then again in some random country.
This isn't a new or unthought of concern. In other leagues this is solved by a contract requiring the reverse to happen the following year with a heavy financial penalty if the side who benefitted backs out.
I think clubs have begun to realise the limits of pre season tours. Like how can they charge €1000 to see the reserves play the reserves of another team. They can only justify the 1000 when clubs play their first teams.
Kinda funny cuz I think to myself that the EPL wouldn't do that to the teams that "play in USA on Sunday then Eastern Europe on Thursday then play in London on Sunday" but then I remember that modern-day EPL schedule is cooked lol already so maybe they think this is normal
I'm guessing it will happen because $$$ but the logistics on the whole thing are a nightmare. For starters, US networks and promoters are only interested in the big six, and those are the teams least likely to want to do this. If you're say an Arsenal or Liverpool, not having that home match against City or Chelsea can have serious ramifications in the final standings. From a US perspective, short of using an MLS stadium the pitch is going to be an issue. Artificial turf is a non-starter with the PL, and you won't have enough time for a transplanted grass field to settle, so you're left trying to convince an NFL team to have their grass field get all torn up with a soccer match in the middle of the NFL season.
With the new structure, Champions League games are easier abroad, national Championships are national and as long as there is no playoffs, that would be a clear unfair disadvantage, it can't happen. Just imagine City losing the prem for ine point to United after drawing their home game in Los Angeles while United was playing in Manchester... no way
The one thing you didn’t talk about that I believe is the most important thing to consider is the home and away fixture, let’s take the el classico for example if the first el Classico of the season is played in the us how do you decide which team gets the home advantage for the next match, do you hold the next one in the us as well to be “fair” or just toss a coin??? Just the logistics of it don’t make sense
When the video started, I thought he was being super sarcastic and was about to apologize, which is ofc super common. Changing your mind however, is definitely rare.
its the correct move to play premier league football abroad. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City are just located in england. They are global clubs. All major clubs are. They play 19 home league games a year, surely 18 once every 8 years or however the rotation will work is enough?
A lot of focus their on the fans of the clubs, but I would actually argue the big difference is the effect on the other teams within the area you putting the one off game in. London doesn't have the London Monarchs anymore so it is a market ripe for an NFL game, Any reasonably interested city has a team already a MLS or other Team set up to exploit that in the USA. They may try it but I suggest they won't find it more financially beneficial than the preseason tours they already do. I also think Premier League chairman might look at Newcastle and Man City owners and deny them the two thirds majority they need to take games to the Middle East, the big 6 or 7 might see a benefit outside of the logistical pain but they need support of at least 7 or 8 other teams to get this through.
As a fan of a team outside of the “big 6”, I genuinely could care less whether they left to form a super league. It’s not a good thing for football, but then again neither was the concept of 6 teams being superior to the rest because of money.
why dose everyone think the bundesliga is the holy grail. its a league were one team has dominated for nearly 20 years to the point of which they were looking at a playoff to make it more interesting. multiple big clubs have have money issues 1860 Munich, Schalke
I think if the premier league actually want to push overseas games - don't do it for the league - put out a premier league invitational (that is not just open for the big 6) - utilising the pre-season - put a trophy on it and open it up for countries to bid for that mini tournament (US, China Brazil etc) - these pre-season tours that clubs go on are just a money grab for that specific team. Give the power back to the premier league (instead of these teams) - the money would (or should) be better spent with the premier league instead of these teams. Another option - charity shield to be played abroad - a lower trophy - to give a taster for prem football (could lead to more international TV to be sold) Another option - open up the above suggested tournament to NON european clubs (i.e. those not in previous european places) - to start spreading the wealth AND not have stupid fixture congestion across the season? Sorry for the wall of text!
I think the fact there weren't riots in the streets when NFL decided to move games abroad shows the sports cultures are incomparable. Try and take matchdays away from UK clubs and see what happens.
Hey Z, Today, my Club Hoffenheim fired their sporting director, a managing director, and the technical director, making it seem like ROGON is finally taking over our club’s transfer activities. For those who don't know, ROGON is a sports management agency, whos got the likes of Joelinton, Firminio and Georgino Rutter (all Ex-Hoffenheim Players 👀) on their Books,that's had a suspiciously close relationship with Hoffenheim for years. A lot of their players have ended up at our club, and many fans and critics think this is more than just a coincidence. People are worried that ROGON has too much influence over our club's decisions, leading to conflicts of interest. This relationship raises serious ethical questions about how transparent and fair our club's transfer policies really are. Critics argue that ROGON’s influence means decisions might be made to benefit the agency rather than Hoffenheim.
I think if they try this outside of friendlies the Super League protests will look like nothing. People will riot and destroy stadiums. Also I feel like it's a missed opportunity to not move the Z to a different shelf each video.
Zealand: ‘I’m sorry I was wrong…’ Also Zealand 10 mins later: ‘therefore, this proves why I am right all along’ (his head expands to the size of the room)
I think Vizeh said it best himself. The moment that football clubs start prioritizing international money over their own local community, they are no longer a football club, but a franchise instead. A brand. For example if Manchester United start playing "domestic" games in America or Saudi Arabia, they are no longer representing or respecting their fans in Manchester. If they aren't representing Manchester, then they no longer deserve to be called Manchester United. They should rename to just United or Red Devils FC or something like that.
First of all this can’t happen because none of the major stadiums that would want to host this event don’t have natural grass and I don’t think any of the players would want to play on grass put on top of turf for a league game plus the chance of injury would increase with the quality decreasing drastically
@@lazydictionary okay we’re talking about the US here. And as you can see with the past Copa America and all the major tournaments in the US before have all been on Artificial surfaces covered with grass. The major stadiums that do have natural grass aren’t capable of hosting those type of events or they would have already. Even most open air stadiums have artificial turf here in the US so unless fields start switching back to that I don’t see this happening
Keep the fa cup and the premier league in England. However, if we don’t get the American audience then you know laliga or another league will. I’m not opposed to sending the league cup there. Imagine in 10 years an american saying they support middlesbrough because they seen them play chelsea in the efl cup semi final. It would be cool, however this would definitely take away from fans who have followed their team all season and just when it comes to their biggest game of the season they’ve been priced out and it’s not logical to make a trip to america. So a better idea could be to create a glorified pre season friendly. Advertise it as competitive. It could be a playoff format based on where you finished in the league e.g top 8 in the league and the playoffs are seeded. This could be more palatable to the American audience and give them something to be excited about. This could replace the efl cup as this playoff format will reduce games played by clubs (which is what they’re all moaning about) whilst probably making a lot more money. This also makes the fa cup more prestigious as it’s THE english cup competition in england and the playoff can be seen as the American pre season shite. This can also be used to trickle down the pyramid for more money in the lower leagues. However, i can see why lower leagues might not like this as well as the efl cup is a chance for some good memories for the fans like middlsebrough getting to the final and some smaller teams actually winning the competition in the past, which no amount of money can replace.
The money in football should be used to grow clubs in the countries which dont care rather than giving clubs to those countries. To me there really isnt much difference between playing matches abroad and what mk dons did. In both the club no longer represents a group of people it used to, its abandoning the culture of the club. As a celtic fan, the moment at kick-off where celtic are playing a league match in another country is the moment im not a fan. I have faith the fanbase wont let it happen tho.
It is impossible to implement this fairly in a league, the whole point is you play everybody once at home and once away. If these foreign games must be competitive and not just an exhibition or friendly then they should look at the cup competitions. Hold some of the rounds abroad, don't do replays, settle the games in one go to please the bigger clubs smaller clubs would be interested in bigger earnings.
The League that will profit the most from this development is the Bundesliga. If every league loses it’s identity, then why watch it. The only advantage that England and Spain have is the linguistic advantage, but as soon as their league looses it’s identity and at the same time becomes more and more expensive people will see the Bundesliga as the go-to. Affordable football "like it used to be"
I was gonna disagree but you’re probably right. Playing games outside of England/spain isn’t gonna benefit the growth of the leagues. Ticket revenue is gonna be nice for them, but most people going are already gonna be fans of the league. Meanwhile it’s also gonna price out most potential new fans. The more authentic, grassroots nature of the bundesliga will then attract fans since it’ll stand out. The Bundesliga has grown a lot in the past 10 years outside Germany, and something you see a lot of the fans praise fan ownership and its identity
I hope you are right. If the Bundesliga way were to proof more sustainable and ideally were to be imitated eventually, it would be a beautiful story. But I am not sure, at every step of commercializing in the last couple of years I heard people talk about how they would rather watch their local amateur side under such circumstances because that is football how it used to be. How many people have actually been doing that?
I don't think you understand what supporting a team means. Leeds United supporters or Newcastle supporters are not going to switch their allegiance to a random Bundesliga team just because they like how the league treats its fans. The whole reason football clubs in England and other countries can get away with treating their fans like shit is because they won't go somewhere else no matter how much they complain. I enjoy watching Bundesliga games but I don't identify with any of the teams and I am not invested in the league at all. As a Newcastle supporter how they do is literally all I care about in the world of football, and that is true of every supporter of any team in England at least.
@@Veaseify my comment wasn’t about the fans, but normal people. Most money comes from TV deals.
One issue which ultimately kills any Bundesliga hype. One team dominance. Yes, Leverkusen won this year but it took unbeaten season and Harry Kane curse. Both of these aren't lasting forever. Until there is more parity, any hope for Bundesliga gaining any advantage over England and Spain is futile. And while 50+1 ownership and stuff is great for fans, it's also great for Bayern as it's effectively blocking any team from leapfroging them
Lol I thought the lights in the background was a repaired whole in the wall😂😂
probably is a hole behind it since we don't actually know if it works
zea drunk too much monster that day and had to punch the wall
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Doesn't even matter to me I live on the east coast and know where they would host the game it would legit be cheaper for me to fly to the uk and watch a match over their than to fly to la or nyc to watch match in prem match over here
Also one of my dreams is to watch soccer in Europe, it just wouldn't be that same to watch soccer here I wanna see the cities the people the culture I don't think it's just about watching a team
This is so real
perfectly said
I've always said the same about watching the NFL, I'd rather go to States & have the full authentic experience than some baked up match in London.
I feel the same way. I live in Canada and I would have 0 interest in paying to attend a premier league match here.
You get it 👏🏼
Vizeh released a video response to Mark Goldbridge about this, pretty much nails it.
Vizeh is a clout chasing loser who's only source of content is what others say
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cap, buc-EE's is ass, constantly packed full of people and there is nothing special about them.
Mah man admits he was wrong so hard even punishes himself by wearing a hat.
He’s hiding something up there… either a dodgy hairline or a Canadian drone
Isn’t this what FRIENDLIES are for??? 😤
Somehow friendlies don't contribute to player burn out?
@@kieronparr3403nah friendlies are bullshit to, but theyve been a big enough part of the culture, long enough that we let them slide
@@kieronparr3403 friendlies don't burn out players, they do the opposite, friendlies are supposed to warm the players up so they can get ready for the regular season
Friendlies are often the backups and lack star power. Playing a game that has actual value, and consequences, draws a much bigger audience and therefore ticket prices.
They're doing this, yet can't spare a little bit to help dying/clubs with issues lmao.
MK Dons tried to make organisations a thing in English football. They are the most hated club in the country
What do you mean?
@@Lucas-dg4zn do some research. you'll see
@@Lucas-dg4znWimbledon FC was bought by a new owner some time in the late 90s early 00s, and the owner moved the team from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes and changed their name to MK Dons. That’s pretty common in the US, such as in the case of the Lakers (originally from Minneapolis, where the name makes more sense than it does in LA) but was completely unheard of here. Every football fan in the country, including non-Wimbledon fans, reacted very negatively and there’s still a stigma around MK today. It was widely celebrated when AFC Wimbledon beat MK Dons for the first time.
@@MarkHalberstramThat's a good summary. I hate MK Dons with a vigorous passion and a magazine I used to work for used to refuse to talk to them. Ever.
@@Hartley_Hare It’s funny, enough time has passed now that I have slightly mixed feelings about MK. There will be so many kids growing up in that town who were born after the move and feel an affinity for their local club. Doesn’t excuse what happened obviously but they’re in a tricky position. Maybe they just embrace it, like Millwall, I’m not sure.
Happy 50K subs Zealand!
I appreciate that other people get to experience a game that is meaningful, but I always return to supporting my local NFL team, the Green Bay Packers. Being in one of the smallest cities in the market, the Packers bring significant revenue to the community. When they play games overseas or in Brazil, as they are doing this year, it is detrimental to the local economy due to the loss of revenue for the city and surrounding businesses. Considering the UK is smaller than New England, I can understand how the revenue generated by the teams is crucial to the future of these towns and cities.
I’m staunchly against this; I am pro club World Cup though; if they want games “abroad” there you have them.
Once every four years, it’s big enough of a compromise already.
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6:30 the irony of bringing up the Packers as the example when they are the only major US sports franchise which is actually a publicly owned not-for-profit entity is just delicious lol
This is unfortunately what happens with the brazilian league. It is way tougher to play in brazilian league just out of the fact that you literally will play 3 to 3 days (sometimes even less) against randomly teams from all over the country. On top of that their regional league, the cup and the sudamericano or libertadores.
You need basically 2 good squads with rotation to be successful in the competition. Like imagine in the MLS if they do matches every 3 days, playing a match in California, 3 days later play in New York, 3 days later play in like Washington, etc. It's ridiculous.
I think you might forget the point that it won't grow further the international audience. Because all of the games will either be in the USA or the Middle East. It's ultimately about the biggest payout over the fans. It's the same reason why teams don't often rotate their preseason tours anymore and go to the same places.
My dad got to see a couple when pre-season tours came to Africa
trust me there is a huge difference in fandom between usa and europe ...
for many in europe there is the club on #1 then a long nothing and then comes family and friends :) the club is far above all of them, they live the club, they live their live around the games of the club. its crazy but there are tons of people like that xD
telling such a person (who is very often in the lower income bracket) that one of their home games is played in the usa and they cant see it, and they totaly go crazy
This is so true, some families have supported clubs for like 70 -80 years. In any bar in Europe you can start a conversation just asking how the local team are doing, doesn't matter if it's Barcelona or Grimsby - people care a ridiculous amount about their clubs.
@@Veaseify You can't talk sports in a US bar? Seriously, bro?
@@carverbrauchle891 College Sports is more like what what we are talking about - I know they played a few games in Tokyo and Dublin,but imagine if they tried that with Ohio State v Michigan or Alabama v Auburn?
You think that doesn't happen in the US? Talk to any Detroit Lions fan. They haven't won anything in 70 years, and those fans live and breathe the team. The only thing Europe has that the US doesn't is the more city focus - each city has their own team(s). In the US, it's usually more of a state thing.
They can talk about it all they want but here in England we’d burn our stadiums to the ground before allowing something like this happening 😂
I think one league to look at where this ultimately failed is Australia. Not the A-League, but AFL and to a lesser extent NRL.
The AFL had an experiment where there was 3 league games played from 2017-19 played in China to grow the sport in Asia. Obviously lost a lot of money with crowd sizes around 10000 and 2020 events caused the experiment to end. Several exhibition and preseason matches have been played overseas (Los Angeles, London), which is no different to top sides.
The NRL had a season opener in Las Vegas recently. I'm south of the Barassi Line, so I'm not well versed on how that played out or if it's set to become a regular fixture.
I do not see how EPL can fail in USA, they are guaranteed to have full stadiums, friendlies in summer have shown that
@@lkrnpk Until it becomes normalized
He is wearing an actual hat
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@@barsbay7598 he Always leaves room for deep intellectual interpretation with his 2 minute long intros.
He is actually going bald
@@williamcross210 im bald it’s great. Women love it. You just have to be a man about it. Men aren’t supposed to be cute or sweet looking. Women love it. You just can’t be a soy jack about. Like if Alejandro garnacho broke with his hair he is either assumed to be a drug dealer or sus. He has the beard. Keep holding on to that hair on your head put on 20lbs and put on a suit, you’ll look like used crappy car salesman instead of a lawyer in every wedding photo and job interview Shave it. You’ll like the way you look and you’ll like the way people look at you.
True about Tottenham... :( Though being a Spurs fan I'm just happy I got to see the team I love lift a trophy even if it was the Carling cup. I really hope this doesn't happen with the premier league, it's just sad to know that it's a possibility.
Another great vid Z, keep it up.
Did anyone else see the title of "I was wrong" and think we were getting 12 minutes of Zealand admitting 7 is not a letter?!!😂
The franchise can love when they want a bigger stadium or they think they’re too big for their city/town. Until this changes it’ll just mean more abroad than here. It’s kind of a big difference.
Zealand, I'd definitely watch a video where you dive a little deeper into "allowing a sports team become an uncomfortably large part of their life". The psychology of it and the fine line between it being healthy (social connections, shared desires etc) and unhealthy (a bad result ruining a week, hostile environments turning to violence etc). Chat to some psychologists and some die hard supporter's (and their partners) and you've got a nice documentary.. probably a huge amount of work though!
There's this thing called television. You can watch live football from all over the world. The clubs/leagues make big money from it. So do the TV companies. How many people see Chelsea live at the stadiums. Yeah, ok it'd be nice for American fans to see Chelsea versus Man U in the flesh league game, whatever. But that means the stadium going fans in the UK don't get to see them in the flesh. Doesn't seem right to me. I'm a Chelsea fan, you guessed? I don't even live in London, I'll probably never get to Stamford Bridge . Maybe come up with legit tournament that can be played in US. The Atlantic Cup, or something. MLS teams vs Premier League. Might need some kind of handicap system there.
This is why we have pre season TOURS. Also I dare you to try a move a clubs home league game abroad, on my mothers life the fans would have a witch hunt when the club gets back to England lol they will strike, they will protest. Like how we got the super league clubs to reverse their decision. Imagine having such an important game and you don’t have home advantage….
This. I'm a Tottenham fan, the club are in Korea at the moment. They have a game against the K league best 11 and then another one against Bayern Munich
You know the tickets for matches in the states are gonna be crazy expensive.
The question has to be asked- why did Z *just happen* to get a couch the same week we hear about JD Vance's intimate affairs with couches himself? Not so apolitical after all, are we Zealand?!
Dolphin statue next?
Wtf is wrong with u
IMO the super league will happen in one way or another, but it is NOT about bringing the game to people who don't care about it. That would mean ticket prices would have to meet the average Joe pocket, which it does not even now.
I think the difference between American sports vs football clubs isn't perhaps the level of passion, but just how the teams come about - American sports franchises are mostly something started by a businessman and so that's partly why the culture around relocating teams is accepted without a world-ending war because it's nice to have in the community while it's there but ultimately it's essentially a loyalty to a person's team.
With football clubs though for the most part they came from the community and businessmen (especially big business) largely only got involved when a lot of money came in, so the idea of a town's football team leaving to go to another town is completely alien because a) that town probably already has a team anyway) and b) it just wouldn't make any sense given the roots are the town itself, not just that it happened to be located there.
So when they want to play games abroad it's not so much taking the game away to show it off to another group of people, it's taking one game a year away from that community and feels like a huge slap in the face
I'd like to add to this that if you want to compare it to the American context you should look at College sports in the US. That's much more like club football in Europe and South America. Would the Michican Wolverines ever consider moving to another university? No! Because they are rooted in their University and that other university already has a team anyway. Nor would a college team consider playing abroad for some quick bucks, that would just deprive the fans within the university and the local community od a precious home game.....
@@oilslick7010 True, although they've started doing games abroad where Notre Dame I think play in Ireland for a pre-season game? I don't feel like it'd go further than that really but still, foot in the door...
I have an idea FIFA can implement to fix this
Imagine a month or a few weeks in the football season where all the first division leagues in the world gets to play abroad
In order to this this, one nation must make an agreement with another to switch match days (Imagine the EPL makes a deal in the MLS so that Chelsea v Arsenal is played in Charlotte while Charlotte FC vs Atlanta United is played in London)
And as part of the agreement, the nation that wants this has to pay for the other nations travel and hotel costs
All continental tournaments are paused and the Super Cups are allowed to go abroad (but not the FA Cups)
This way, Europe can grow their game and America can grow theirs too
if they do that there will be te problem with the season ticket holders so you need to play 2 or 4 matches abroad so every team have even amount of home matches and you cant make the big matches/rivalries (Leverpool:everton, Arsenal:totenham, city:united etc)
Ayo we were talking about exhibition matches... 5:33 why we Tottenham fans catching strays like that Z?!
Preseason games in foreign countries, against foreign teams, is the best of both of these worlds. Playing tournament finals, super cups, etc in foreign countries works because the venue is already neutral. You can't play regular season outside of one of the team's stadiums without implicitly giving one team an advantage.
I say we just send exclusively Fulham and another bottom half team. Dont have to worry about fixture congestion with Fulham, and you can play them in Jacksonville while the Jaguars are in London, considering they have the same owner
Surprised season tickets weren't discussed.
I don't see how a EPL regular season game can work abroad, but it make sense if they play the final of the carabao cup or the community shield or both, on the other hand playing it on Saudi Arabia or USA it's a game for money, US dollars or Oil dollars at the end have they same value for the club wallet and the people who are in charge
For the super league, United fans postponed a home game against Liverpool, one of if not the biggest game in the league. So there are ways 😅
Playing games abroad would be huge for clubs. Look at ManU. They are a joke of a club, but have one of the biggest global fan bases because they used the early 2000s for some heavy touring. This large fan base makes marketing rights more valuable, it means merchandise being sold and it gives the club a larger reputation than the results would warrant.
I mean utd have the best culture of any football club. I don't think it's a good example.
Leagues which could actually benefit from having that one-two games played in US, Japan, or somewhere else - Ligue 1, and Serie A.
Ligue 1 kind of needs more international fans to be interested, and they basically should do anything what they can to do such abroad games. Look what recently happened to Bordeaux, you even talked about it.
Serie A just has those "brands" like Juventus, Inter, Milan, Napoli, Roma, Lazio which many fans in their 30's remember well, and younger fans recognize them as well.
As for schedule and timing of such games they should happen before national teams "window". Therefore team would go to US or Japan for example, and after game players called for NT will just travel directly back to their home countries.
Also one more thing is that the number of games played home is already high. In most leagues you have at least 17 home games in just league. Then you have country cup, and sometimes league cup, and better teams also play games in continental competitions.
The thing which could make sense... well I mentioned some teams, imagine if Marseille and Lyon wouldn't make it to continental competitions, so you organize their game in US, Canada, China, or even in some country which has big population but wouldn't be your first destination - for example Indonesia.
The whole mention about youth structure, academies and all that... sorry but as someone who follows the u-21 ball as well I can say that sometimes those youngsters have as busy schedule as senior team. Just look at when those national team U-17 or U-18 tournaments are happening, like euro's or world cup, they are in may or june, and sometimes even in april. Sometimes players start season in their U-18 team, then they play well, are moved to 2nd team/senior reserve team. Then they've get a call from one of national teams. Youth teams and players just live their own life.
So hold on?! This must be a rare occurance... To hear one say "I was wrong"... I was affraid I would never hear that ever again on social media 🤣🤣🤣
First game of the season played abroad can be linked up with preseason tours
And that means a team either has one less home game or one less away game... get your plastic fan arse out of English football... go ruin la liga or der farmersliga
The logistics for the NFL playing in Europe are WAY more complicated, Wendover Productions did a whole video about it. They will do it, some people will squawk for a few years and then it will just be normal.
League match on a Sunday, cup match on a Wednesday, league match on a Saturday. Is that the NFL schedule or EPL?
difference being that no one outside of us gives a shit about NFL logistics
@@goalgoalgoal669 Teams already travel to a different country for a Wednesday Cup match.
@jekanyika they do. But they fly *within Europe* which is such a small distance compared to where they would be flying - the US, China etc. That takes so much longer, and is so much more disruptive to not only the schedule, but the players' routine and fitness.
At the end of the day, it's about the same timescale for a London club to go to France vs Manchester
@@ethanderrick8486 Imo the bigger issue is teams losing home games creating an unfair competition.
11:58 Tbf having oil under the country you founded doesn’t really have anything to do with not having the super cup held there.
Imagine Liverpool vs United is held in the USA. But United vs Liverpool is held back in Manchester.
HOME and AWAY is sacrosanct in European football. Only sanctions and stadium rebuilds should be exceptions.
Also, owners should only be based in the league's home nation. Should also be fan majority owned.
That is the main issue
This happens in brazilian football and its one of the major issues in their league. Giant league (in terms of number of teams) with congested calendar due to outside months having the regional championships which makes them play a team in like São Paulo and 3 days later play in Fortaleza.
It's 3000km distance, different weather, pressure, humidity etc. 1 of the 3 days rest is basically the trip (plane, bus to the hotel, setting up all rooms) which hardly any of it is really to rest, then 1 regular training session then 1 opponent specific training session or something and its already the match.
Ridiculous
My thought is the matchups should be big draw club vs smaller and the smaller club chooses whether they get the max cut of the American stadium profits or keep their home fixture.
It gives one team an unfair advantage where one of the teams is basically playing two fixtures away.
The whole point in 2 fixtures vs each team is to even out home and away fixtures and make it as fair as possible.
Why should Fulham for example have to play United at Old Trafford then again in some random country.
This isn't a new or unthought of concern. In other leagues this is solved by a contract requiring the reverse to happen the following year with a heavy financial penalty if the side who benefitted backs out.
I think clubs have begun to realise the limits of pre season tours. Like how can they charge €1000 to see the reserves play the reserves of another team. They can only justify the 1000 when clubs play their first teams.
Kinda funny cuz I think to myself that the EPL wouldn't do that to the teams that "play in USA on Sunday then Eastern Europe on Thursday then play in London on Sunday" but then I remember that modern-day EPL schedule is cooked lol already so maybe they think this is normal
I've never seen some so happy to be wrong before.
Zealand admits he is afraid of the sun. Is he a vampire?
I'm guessing it will happen because $$$ but the logistics on the whole thing are a nightmare. For starters, US networks and promoters are only interested in the big six, and those are the teams least likely to want to do this. If you're say an Arsenal or Liverpool, not having that home match against City or Chelsea can have serious ramifications in the final standings. From a US perspective, short of using an MLS stadium the pitch is going to be an issue. Artificial turf is a non-starter with the PL, and you won't have enough time for a transplanted grass field to settle, so you're left trying to convince an NFL team to have their grass field get all torn up with a soccer match in the middle of the NFL season.
It would have to be like what mlb did in Korea where it’s a week and a half before the regular season usually start
Welcome to MLS!
Feels like the only way this could work at all is at the very start or very end of a season.
dear prudence
With the new structure, Champions League games are easier abroad, national Championships are national and as long as there is no playoffs, that would be a clear unfair disadvantage, it can't happen. Just imagine City losing the prem for ine point to United after drawing their home game in Los Angeles while United was playing in Manchester... no way
The one thing you didn’t talk about that I believe is the most important thing to consider is the home and away fixture, let’s take the el classico for example if the first el Classico of the season is played in the us how do you decide which team gets the home advantage for the next match, do you hold the next one in the us as well to be “fair” or just toss a coin??? Just the logistics of it don’t make sense
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When the video started, I thought he was being super sarcastic and was about to apologize, which is ofc super common. Changing your mind however, is definitely rare.
its the correct move to play premier league football abroad. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City are just located in england. They are global clubs. All major clubs are. They play 19 home league games a year, surely 18 once every 8 years or however the rotation will work is enough?
A lot of focus their on the fans of the clubs, but I would actually argue the big difference is the effect on the other teams within the area you putting the one off game in. London doesn't have the London Monarchs anymore so it is a market ripe for an NFL game, Any reasonably interested city has a team already a MLS or other Team set up to exploit that in the USA. They may try it but I suggest they won't find it more financially beneficial than the preseason tours they already do. I also think Premier League chairman might look at Newcastle and Man City owners and deny them the two thirds majority they need to take games to the Middle East, the big 6 or 7 might see a benefit outside of the logistical pain but they need support of at least 7 or 8 other teams to get this through.
As a fan of a team outside of the “big 6”, I genuinely could care less whether they left to form a super league. It’s not a good thing for football, but then again neither was the concept of 6 teams being superior to the rest because of money.
why dose everyone think the bundesliga is the holy grail. its a league were one team has dominated for nearly 20 years to the point of which they were looking at a playoff to make it more interesting. multiple big clubs have have money issues 1860 Munich, Schalke
Because of the 50+1 rule. The local communities have majority ownership of the clubs, just like how it should be.
I disagree with the no control comment. Super League was killed by fans… but i understand your point
Talking about soccer in a buc-ees hat. I love it
I think if the premier league actually want to push overseas games - don't do it for the league - put out a premier league invitational (that is not just open for the big 6) - utilising the pre-season - put a trophy on it and open it up for countries to bid for that mini tournament (US, China Brazil etc) - these pre-season tours that clubs go on are just a money grab for that specific team. Give the power back to the premier league (instead of these teams) - the money would (or should) be better spent with the premier league instead of these teams.
Another option - charity shield to be played abroad - a lower trophy - to give a taster for prem football (could lead to more international TV to be sold)
Another option - open up the above suggested tournament to NON european clubs (i.e. those not in previous european places) - to start spreading the wealth AND not have stupid fixture congestion across the season?
Sorry for the wall of text!
Everything went downhill when sports became professional.
I think the fact there weren't riots in the streets when NFL decided to move games abroad shows the sports cultures are incomparable. Try and take matchdays away from UK clubs and see what happens.
Go Bucs !
Why would they want to play in the US on crappy, patchwork grass over turf pitches?
Hey Z,
Today, my Club Hoffenheim fired their sporting director, a managing director, and the technical director, making it seem like ROGON is finally taking over our club’s transfer activities. For those who don't know, ROGON is a sports management agency, whos got the likes of Joelinton, Firminio and Georgino Rutter (all Ex-Hoffenheim Players 👀) on their Books,that's had a suspiciously close relationship with Hoffenheim for years. A lot of their players have ended up at our club, and many fans and critics think this is more than just a coincidence.
People are worried that ROGON has too much influence over our club's decisions, leading to conflicts of interest. This relationship raises serious ethical questions about how transparent and fair our club's transfer policies really are. Critics argue that ROGON’s influence means decisions might be made to benefit the agency rather than Hoffenheim.
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Hi Zealand
What’s up
@ZealandonYT hey, I really love your content! It's nice to see a fellow American make quality football content!
I think if they try this outside of friendlies the Super League protests will look like nothing. People will riot and destroy stadiums. Also I feel like it's a missed opportunity to not move the Z to a different shelf each video.
The title lol
Zealand might actually read this! :O
I'm hurting as an american spurs fan...
Zealand: ‘I’m sorry I was wrong…’
Also Zealand 10 mins later: ‘therefore, this proves why I am right all along’ (his head expands to the size of the room)
Can you make a video on Jānis Ikaunieks? No reason, just think it would be a nice idea.
hello zealand
Please make a post about world cup 2038 having to be hosted in either New Zealand, Central America or the Caribbean
I think Vizeh said it best himself. The moment that football clubs start prioritizing international money over their own local community, they are no longer a football club, but a franchise instead. A brand.
For example if Manchester United start playing "domestic" games in America or Saudi Arabia, they are no longer representing or respecting their fans in Manchester. If they aren't representing Manchester, then they no longer deserve to be called Manchester United. They should rename to just United or Red Devils FC or something like that.
First of all this can’t happen because none of the major stadiums that would want to host this event don’t have natural grass and I don’t think any of the players would want to play on grass put on top of turf for a league game plus the chance of injury would increase with the quality decreasing drastically
There are loads of large stadiums in the US with grass, and elsewhere in the world as well.
@@lazydictionary okay we’re talking about the US here. And as you can see with the past Copa America and all the major tournaments in the US before have all been on Artificial surfaces covered with grass. The major stadiums that do have natural grass aren’t capable of hosting those type of events or they would have already. Even most open air stadiums have artificial turf here in the US so unless fields start switching back to that I don’t see this happening
@@BigHomieMike97 There are loads of large college football stadiums they could use instead, but they aren't near big cities so they choose not to.
Day 5 of Asking Zealand to Talk about the MLS VS Liga MX AllStar game.
Have you caught them all yet?
Keep the fa cup and the premier league in England. However, if we don’t get the American audience then you know laliga or another league will. I’m not opposed to sending the league cup there. Imagine in 10 years an american saying they support middlesbrough because they seen them play chelsea in the efl cup semi final. It would be cool, however this would definitely take away from fans who have followed their team all season and just when it comes to their biggest game of the season they’ve been priced out and it’s not logical to make a trip to america. So a better idea could be to create a glorified pre season friendly. Advertise it as competitive. It could be a playoff format based on where you finished in the league e.g top 8 in the league and the playoffs are seeded. This could be more palatable to the American audience and give them something to be excited about. This could replace the efl cup as this playoff format will reduce games played by clubs (which is what they’re all moaning about) whilst probably making a lot more money. This also makes the fa cup more prestigious as it’s THE english cup competition in england and the playoff can be seen as the American pre season shite. This can also be used to trickle down the pyramid for more money in the lower leagues. However, i can see why lower leagues might not like this as well as the efl cup is a chance for some good memories for the fans like middlsebrough getting to the final and some smaller teams actually winning the competition in the past, which no amount of money can replace.
90 seconds in and this vid is already a huge W
Holy crap, it's the only incorrect American! 🤣
Hey Z, ever heard of manscaped? It would do wonders for whatever is happening on your neck
The money in football should be used to grow clubs in the countries which dont care rather than giving clubs to those countries.
To me there really isnt much difference between playing matches abroad and what mk dons did. In both the club no longer represents a group of people it used to, its abandoning the culture of the club.
As a celtic fan, the moment at kick-off where celtic are playing a league match in another country is the moment im not a fan. I have faith the fanbase wont let it happen tho.
You went overboard about mason greenwood and didn’t mention hope solo…. That’s the topic right?
Again I can't afford to go to a premier League match because I'm not an immigrant
If you dont think there would be protests in the UK you're mad
You know you're making comfortable money as a content creator when you don't even bother with the comments 😂
Zealand can change his mind and admit he was wrong, but can he change his background?
It is impossible to implement this fairly in a league, the whole point is you play everybody once at home and once away. If these foreign games must be competitive and not just an exhibition or friendly then they should look at the cup competitions. Hold some of the rounds abroad, don't do replays, settle the games in one go to please the bigger clubs smaller clubs would be interested in bigger earnings.
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Zealand when did you pull up to my neck of the woods? 🐿️ I see you with my boi buc. Recent?
idk how this guy always hacks the algorithm
This has 800 views what do you mean hack the algorithm? all he does is copy moistcritikal's titles
@@LavassinI’d like to see Charlie title a video ‘.’
That’s the kind of groundbreaking titling you get on this channel that he could only dream of
@@Lavassin because for whatever reason, bro shows up in my recommended 1 min after upload.