Mathews has mastered the dead in the hand after the shot but after the shot all the work is done. So many better bows out there Mathews is getting left behind. Almost every bow companies bow are close to vibration free. I want tune ability and a good draw cycle and let off.
I have a Hoyt ventum pro 30 and I shot it agains the v3x the Hoyt and I mean this you don’t even know if the bow shot but the v3x there was noticeable vibration but it was minuscule
Enough with that BS. This whole, "Hand shock" thing is nonsense. It only became important because marketing told you it matters. NO ONE thinks to themself when they are shooting a match or just shot an animal, "damn that bow had a lot of hand shock on that release." It's NONSENSE. Marketing schemes are brainwashing you people.
I’ve shot them all this year. Personally, phase 4 is second to none. By quite a sizeable margin. All it needs is a $40 shrewd grip. You don’t have to buy in on the bridgelock shit. I run the same stabilizers I had on my last bow. Always has to be a hater.
I'm sure they're nice bows but my 30" Halon 7 will be sticking around for at least another year. IMO, if Mathews wants to build the ultimate short hunting bow, it would be 30"-31" ATA with no less than a 7" brace.
@@texasforever3.025 Yep, still have one hanging in my closet and would have no problem hunting with it tomorrow if need be. The Halon 7 is a dual cam cousin of a SBXT IMO. Both are certainly superior hunting bows.
Draw weight, draw length, let off, and top hat to tune......all of which you have to buy.....add 265 dollar stabilizer.....but they do shoot nice..they are just huge
Great innovation and technology. Mathews is definitely on top of their game. However not enough new technology to make me want to upgrade from my V3X 29. Let’s see what they come out with next year
The thing that concerns me about this bow, is the rubber bushing in between the limbs. I’m sure it takes away vibration, no doubt. But rubber materials will “Dry Rot” over time. When that happens…THEN WHAT?
Fair concern because it is unknown……however, what defines “over time?” I have bows 15 years old with rubber dampers that have not rotted. And if there is an issue with dry rot, that doesn’t happen overnight. You’re going to notice it start and Mathews has lifetime warranty on limbs. Aside from all that, Mathews says this rubber is a proprietary material that they expect no issues with
@@pjreilly3997 That’s a good point actually! I’ll be honest… I never thought of it from that angle. I’ve been shooting Mathews bows for many many years, and I don’t recall ever having any issues with the rubber dampener bushings. Point taken! 👍😎👍
another dual cam bow claiming speeds slower than many solo cams and you have to deal with all dual cam bullshit,I really wish they would offer a solo cam bow also,dual cam bow fine but offer a solo cam for us guys thats been shooting mathews since the early 90s and prefer the solocam bows that made us love mathews in the beginning.
Matthew's bows are definitely without a doubt top quality . The biggest thing in my opinion that makes them shock-free is that they have string dampeners on them from the factory put those string dampers on other brands of bows and it would do the same thing.
Fanboys- OMG the new mathews is the greatest bow ever. It has 8 limbs and dove tail stabs!! Everyone else- does it still have mods? Does it still need an aftermarket grip? Did they change the strings yet? Good bow but still overrated in just about every sense hoyt and mathews keep doing the exact same thing year after year and peeps keep eating it up. Keeping my money on this one mathews.
@@aaronihle7344 I think so, podium archery has a video on some of the accessories for it and he mentioned some of the prices, from what I can understand if you want all the cool Mathews stuff on your Mathews bow your really going to be breaking the bank this year lol
Don't get the stupid expensive proprietary sight and stabilizer mounts. It's like they know that Mathews sheep will buy it anyway because "new". Other than that it's the same bow from 3 years ago.
Figured Mathew’s would of came out with a directly tuneable cam or limb pocket, like Bowtech and Elite, or some crazy new system. Seems like they are doing the Apple incremental proprietary money grab!
Joe Laskey; I am with you regarding the rubber dry rotting or degrading. I also wonder if it will squeak if it becomes wet or the limbs are not even dependent on cam lean.
I was literally just discussing that in text with a couple buddies… definitely can’t believe the longevity would be very good with a rubber strip exposed to the elements
How long does rubber last on your vehicles engine mount ? It will do fine in a bow limb. It will also Eliminate the issue of pro shops over pressing Mathews bows and the limbs splintering in the center on the belly side.
@@jasonbarnes3188 I think that it will depend on the chemical composition of the rubber. I have had some "Navcom" (Limbsaver) products go bad after a couple of seasons just sitting in my basement. I have also had rubber dampener poo roductsbeging melting on the stabilizer after having been stored on the bow inside a foam poo added bow case; there was some sort of chemical breakdown from being surrounded by foam even though the bow case was lined with cotton or some fabric mix.
@@nathanlester5054 to add to your point, i had a limbsaver on a rifle do that. I put an orange beanie over it thinking it would stop and also keep it off the foam. But once it starts theres no stopping. The next time i pulled the gun out i had an orange fuzzy limbsaver. Also seen one glue itself to the carpet leaned up in the corner.
PJ is a huuuge fan of his V3X and after shooting the Phase 4 he said he was very impressed with how much quieter and softer it was. Turns out that even though the V3X was incredibly smooth, they managed to make a significant difference on the Phase 4.
Man… kinda disappointed in Mathews this year, got me looking at that pse Mach 34 pretty hard, basically it’s the same bow as they’ve had for the last several years, I also wish they had a 80 lbs option, I have the VXR 31.5 from 2019 and other than the cable guard and a couple extra holes in the riser it’s the same bow, what happens when your walking through brush and that knob holding your $2-300 stabilizer falls off I hope it locks some how, just the bracket to hold the rear bar is $200 you’ll easily double the price of this bow just getting getting the basic accessories for it
Agreed - At this stage the improvements to the Mathews bows are so minor that they'll hardly register in the real world. Personally, I would love an excuse to purchase a Mathews, specifically because of the engage limb system. But when all is said and done, I don't particularly like the draw cycle, back wall or speed coming from this cam system. In this way, they are beat by both Hoyt and PSE. Mathews is like a car with fantastic features and bodywork, but a middle-of-the-road engine. The frills are terrific but not at the expense of the things that matter (draw, hold, speed, tunability).
Mathews is really good at proprietary design. Can’t hate them for that. Another great review PJ. My V3X 33 is 6 months used. I might upgrade for the hell of it. Well done Mathew’s. Top hats can go.
Call is the Halon mark 8 lol. I shoot a v3 and love it don't get me wrong but none of the offers from the halon on are actually a serious amount different. I owned both. The halon 6 once loaded up with your accessories is honestly almost as good if not as good. So I dunno. It's getting boring for sure
Have you ever had an issue with the rubber around a harmonic damper? I can’t recall one time in 15 years one was replaced other than for color option. Just a thought.
since approx. 5 years Mathew is selling bows that are not meant to last (if you actually shoot a lot) .... why should they? ...the next model is just a year away and there are enough minds out there believing that the newer bow makes them a better archer...
The same old stuff from Mathews. It’s fun watching reviewers try to convince the consumer that there is actually something worth talking about with Mathews 2023. Mathews is by far the least tunable bow on the market. The “switch weight “ mods are terrible, the idea that I need to spend $60 to change my holding weight or draw length is ridiculous. BridgeLock?? Lol who cares, silly gimmicks, with the same old technology. I would like to thank Mathews for making my choices for a new bow easier 👍🏻👍🏻
Hahaha Sorry PJ but the thing with the Stab Bolt is in fact wrong ! Period ! Buy a Metallic Book and learn whats going on with Screwconnection and what torgue you can archive with this. Besides that the Flat Backside on the Regular Stabs Press full on the Frontside from the Bushing ! It is in Fact a relay realy good Connection .An actual 5/16 Screw is in fact more secure and save as an tiny handknop where you basicaly press the Stab down in this Riser "Pocket" . Yeah Mathews say its better but here we have Pirelli that says his Tires are Rounder than the Michelin ...where is a measured proof for all this stuff ? Who can proof this thing is fact 30% quider and blabla.... i would like to see some Hooter Shooter machines with messurmend Electronics that can show me Numbers... Solutions where never Problems was. And anybody says the best Stab wheys nothing and all the wheight is in the end. So we have here an Aloy Bar ! The Weights are behind the bulky metal Tip ..The Wheigts are also full with Moving Parts to archive the clamp mechanism . Many More Parts , many more than before , Maybe many more Problems ?. This is not realy the best way for a Stab. And who wants everytime change the lengh from the Stabs ??? Haha Useless Feature . Oh and please bring the 12 Inch Integrated Stab 10° down ! Ups ... These sliding features are funny on Paper but ok - i have on my backbar an 4° down and 5° outwards I want to slide in my 10° Backbar in - Ups - when you slide in that stops on the Riser... Sorry i dont see here a realy Useful Change . I have no Problems when somebody tells me - hey we make the new Stabs because it looks cool and we want to make sells ! Its ok for me !But this fantastic Storys what Mathews have behind this Products fits more in a Lord of the Ring Movie as in a real World ... My 2 Cents.
Let's be honest. Bow technology has been maxed out for awhile. There is a ton of marketing BS but performance and specs are essentially the same. Prices soar while performance stalls. Still a cool bow.
Next year it’ll be the same bow with different gimmick seems like they trickle there innovations …….what’s next a cup holder ,built in hand warmers,remote tree /bow line …..still hasn’t exceeded speed or a change in brace height……further note separated limbs seems very shady !!! I’m no expert but long time Mathews shooter still banging away with my Monster XLR 8…….hopefully there get it together….
Why is Dead in the hand a selling point? This is getting stupid. When’s the last time somebody put down a bow because it was dead in the hand enough for them? My 4 year old bow still gets multiple deer killed a year and the dead deer never complain about it being dead in the hand or not…..
Great review!! I have a Matthews V3 31. I love the bow. Have a few questions. 8 limbs, can anything get out of tune over time? Life limits on the center rubber? String is replaced at 1000 shots, so the rubber may have replacement life. I like all the internal mounting features. I work on aircraft and have seen open inserts corrode over time. Does Matthews have an insert plug to plug the open holes so they stay in better condition. And the last question is does the rubber and internal mounts also reduce the bow weight than the V3X 33 and 29? Didn't the V3X have a speed rating of 342 FPS and now 336FPS. Why the difference is it is the same bow.
Mathews just became too greedy ....all what their insane margin policy (manufacturing costs vs sales price) does, is encouraging cheaper knock-0ff productions. Site plates, quiver, stabilizers etc.....take the whole Mathew package and the price for the entire bow doubles .... insane!
I also have a NoCam from 8 years ago and it is still the best bow. So accurate and consistent. Today I went to a pro shop and shot the phase 4. I agree it was more dead in the hand but the draw cycle seemed a bit rough. Now I would need more time on it but as you said. My NoCAM is still working great and deadly. This bow is $1400? Think I’ll just buy new strings…
So we’re gonna pay 1300 bucks for a new set of limbs and new place to put a stabilizer? Literally make the same bow every year I’m surprised if they make any money off of it what a let down man
I'll be keeping the Levitate still... I will await the new release from Elite (if there really is a carbon bow coming out). Omen will be the 3D bow this year I think.
@@RealRadNek It's quite odd that there are such contrary reviews on the same product. I've only put a thousand or so shots through mine but I'm yet to notice this vibration some people speak of. Like all things, choice is the flavor of life. I'm in it for simplicity, reliability, efficiency/killing power and weight. The carbon sure is nice now that it's touching -20°C though. What a huge improvement from aluminum in that cold weather.
As a former PSE fan boy, I have owned the original Omen, DNA, Full Throttle, Evolve 28 & 31, Brute, Xpidite, Decree and I might be missing a few in there. Great bows overall. Great product but tried Mathews with the V3 and I thought my evolve 28 had no hand shock until I shot the V3 that proved me wrong on that point. When I demoed the Levitate, I was quite disappointed but clearly from sales, not everyone thinks that way. That’s why we all have opinions. You can here the deeper story on my channel if you care to see my contrarian review of the levitate. All the best and hope you have the opportunity to whack a big’n this season!
Next year- “New from Mathews for 2024 is the Mathews V5XXX and introduces an integrated quiver, allowing you to insert your shafts deep within the riser. The shaft receiver is rubber lined around the rim for vibration dampening and is patented as the Mathews Glory Hole…..”
8 mini limbs combined that’s got be breaking limbs waiting to happen along with the rubber between them breaking and deteriorating or slinging out I looked at one today and hung it right back up I’ll choose something else
They are great bows no doubt, but I dont think I will EVER sell my V3 27! I have the #75 mods and its pulling 82 pounds and 29 in h draw the elk hate it!
This isn’t what us shooters want. The v3x was already the deadest bow on the market but Mathews is falling way behind on tunability. It’s no wonder why Mathews shooters are switching to elite. Not to mention more parts means more areas for failure. Big dud this year Mathews.
The obsession with VIBRATION is just silly. So what if there is a little vibration when you fire. It's so small in these modern bows already, and again, the arrow is looonnnggg gone before your brain even knows you fired. I love my v3x, but tuning it myself has been a pain in the ass. The top hat system is outdated, especially when bowtexh and others have way better cam tuning options. My local "pro" shops "tuning" is a joke, I have to do it myself, which is fine, but I would have loved to see a replacement for cam tuning like several other manufacturers. Case in point my top Cam is leaning after replacing my strings. My local pro shop said this wasn't a problem and ushered me out the door. I have a wicked left tear, which wasn't discovered by their paper tuning since they only paper tune with 2 or 3 arrows at 2' to 3' and call it good. Instead of being able to pull out an Allen wrench and adjust the Cam myself, I have not shot the bow for over a week while I try to find time to drive to the only Matthews pro shop around, argue with them about the necessity to change the top Cam hat, and deal with the attitude of you don't know what you're talking about but we'll do it anyway oh and that was a $100.
I hate to agree but I totally do. I have a v3x 33 and I love it, but I keep looking at the customization, and tuning features of other bow and I’m looking that direction. I don’t need a bridge lock for my stabilized… 🤷🏻♂️
@@ambiguity22 damn bruh. Hits hard when you say tunning is on you at your local pro shop. I had the same issue but my local shop closed down. Not much loss honestly.
The three things Mathews should have focused on above noise and vibration are bearings, grip and strings. The bows were already quiet and dead in the hand. Once you get a good set of strings on them and an aftermarket grip, they are excellent bows.
The ones complaining about the tunability of the Phase 4 doesn’t realize that only about 1% of people shooting them can actually shoot to the bows capability.
Don’t take that noisy drop away to the woods lol I could hear him draw that arrow back from where I’m sitting and I don’t even know where he was recording it
It’s so quiet that it tells you to shut up when you release. Your breathing is actually louder. So dead in the hand that you begin to loose feeling in your arm. A full 11% more quiet and dead than last year. Unfortunately, still a rectangle.
Sweet looking Mathew’s! They pretty much made the perfect bow that for the last few years they came out with extras for the bow or that goes on the bow, I’m curious about the rubber between the limbs becoming sun rotted over time. LAS, Is it an easily replaceable peace? Or do you have to get new sets of limbs?
@@HopeGamerBrand Im no engineer…, Wondering if Mathew’s came out with an injection mold during the riser machining process by putting hollow channels in the riser they could inject navcom or whatever rubber encased in the riser. Kinda like foam spray to quiet up a tree stand. I’m sure it can be done or something along those lines.
one thing that mathews needs to do is fix the cam axis by bearings over the limbs like in Bowtech this I think is a gigantic upgrade because I think it's much more accurate and less prone to limbs snap or broke
Mathews has mastered the dead in the hand after the shot but after the shot all the work is done. So many better bows out there Mathews is getting left behind. Almost every bow companies bow are close to vibration free. I want tune ability and a good draw cycle and let off.
I have a Hoyt ventum pro 30 and I shot it agains the v3x the Hoyt and I mean this you don’t even know if the bow shot but the v3x there was noticeable vibration but it was minuscule
Exactly why I went w the vpro. Hoyt won 2022
Mathews draw cycle and let off at the valley sucks.
Enough with that BS. This whole, "Hand shock" thing is nonsense. It only became important because marketing told you it matters. NO ONE thinks to themself when they are shooting a match or just shot an animal, "damn that bow had a lot of hand shock on that release." It's NONSENSE. Marketing schemes are brainwashing you people.
Love some of the new tech but really wanted something more like elite has tune ability draw length in 1/4 inch adjustment and higher speed
PJ really put on his tap-dancing shoes to try and convince customers that these bows are worth buying.
Best bows on the market
They are. I fucking love mine
I’ll stay with my V3X
Cool feature on the stabilizer but not worth 250$ alone.
I’ve shot them all this year. Personally, phase 4 is second to none. By quite a sizeable margin. All it needs is a $40 shrewd grip. You don’t have to buy in on the bridgelock shit. I run the same stabilizers I had on my last bow. Always has to be a hater.
Just bought mine
Didn’t get the bridge lock stuff
I'm sure they're nice bows but my 30" Halon 7 will be sticking around for at least another year. IMO, if Mathews wants to build the ultimate short hunting bow, it would be 30"-31" ATA with no less than a 7" brace.
Like a switchback XT
@@texasforever3.025 Yep, still have one hanging in my closet and would have no problem hunting with it tomorrow if need be. The Halon 7 is a dual cam cousin of a SBXT IMO. Both are certainly superior hunting bows.
@@jbird2246 me too. Haha
I'm still married to my DXT
Might be a nice do-it-yourself upgrade project if you have a band saw and some weather stripping! Just Kidding!
Hahahahahaha. I just was thinking about taking my sawzall to my new bowtech!
Draw weight, draw length, let off, and top hat to tune......all of which you have to buy.....add 265 dollar stabilizer.....but they do shoot nice..they are just huge
I still shoot a vertix and love it. I even like the top hats. As for vibration control… what vibration?
Do you think the rubber inserts on the limbs can dry out and deteriorate over time?
When Matthew makes a carbon maybe I’ll look at them, but right now they’re behind everyone else
hope they release new target bow with 65% letoff
Trx 38 g2 my dream bow 🥰🙏
I see a lot of Hoyt people commenting.
Great innovation and technology. Mathews is definitely on top of their game.
However not enough new technology to make me want to upgrade from my V3X 29. Let’s see what they come out with next year
Wish matthews kept a solo cam bow
The thing that concerns me about this bow, is the rubber bushing in between the limbs. I’m sure it takes away vibration, no doubt. But rubber materials will “Dry Rot” over time. When that happens…THEN WHAT?
Fair concern because it is unknown……however, what defines “over time?” I have bows 15 years old with rubber dampers that have not rotted. And if there is an issue with dry rot, that doesn’t happen overnight. You’re going to notice it start and Mathews has lifetime warranty on limbs. Aside from all that, Mathews says this rubber is a proprietary material that they expect no issues with
@@pjreilly3997
That’s a good point actually! I’ll be honest… I never thought of it from that angle. I’ve been shooting Mathews bows for many many years, and I don’t recall ever having any issues with the rubber dampener bushings. Point taken! 👍😎👍
Love this new bow can’t wait to shoot it and try it out
another dual cam bow claiming speeds slower than many solo cams and you have to deal with all dual cam bullshit,I really wish they would offer a solo cam bow also,dual cam bow fine but offer a solo cam for us guys thats been shooting mathews since the early 90s and prefer the solocam bows that made us love mathews in the beginning.
Introducing the halon 7......
“This thing is stupid quiet” says everyone every year but it’s still loud!! Doesn’t sound any different then the z7
Past few bows have been junk. V3x was the worst. Had one for 2 weeks and it blew up while shooting. Cams folded.
Matthew's bows are definitely without a doubt top quality . The biggest thing in my opinion that makes them shock-free is that they have string dampeners on them from the factory put those string dampers on other brands of bows and it would do the same thing.
Fanboys- OMG the new mathews is the greatest bow ever. It has 8 limbs and dove tail stabs!!
Everyone else- does it still have mods? Does it still need an aftermarket grip?
Did they change the strings yet?
Good bow but still overrated in just about every sense hoyt and mathews keep doing the exact same thing year after year and peeps keep eating it up. Keeping my money on this one mathews.
I agree. Bowtech and elite are running away in tech and tuneability
Damn stabilizers are probably 600 bucks a set!
Correct lol! Each I believe is $260 apiece then the adapter bracket will be prob 50-60$
@@aaronihle7344 the rear bar brackets $200 lol
@@jeffreyfred4817 oh sweet lord!!!! So for the whole setup would be almost $800🫢
@@aaronihle7344 I think so, podium archery has a video on some of the accessories for it and he mentioned some of the prices, from what I can understand if you want all the cool Mathews stuff on your Mathews bow your really going to be breaking the bank this year lol
Fully outfitted with Mathew’s accessories, Costs almost as much as Last years v3X Bare
PJ had it right - “this thing is stupid”
As a Hunter and Mathews shooter, I gotta say I'm not very impressed
No more angled quick disconnect. Anyone who buys that stabilizer is either a staff shooter or special kind of sucker
or just not broke
All this stuff is cool. But you have to spend another $1,000 in accessories to take advantage.
Made a great bow even better. All good.
Very nice but I'll probably shoot my Z7 till I die.
Ok Fed
Don't get the stupid expensive proprietary sight and stabilizer mounts. It's like they know that Mathews sheep will buy it anyway because "new". Other than that it's the same bow from 3 years ago.
Hey also, there's double the amount of limbs to fail. Bonus.
Not impress. Hope hoyt listen to the people
So much marketing bs.
Figured Mathew’s would of came out with a directly tuneable cam or limb pocket, like Bowtech and Elite, or some crazy new system. Seems like they are doing the Apple incremental proprietary money grab!
They are working on something big.
Just wasn’t ready fir this year’s release
Man I never been a fan of split limbs now you talking eight different limbs that don’t sound like a good thing to me I’m super bummed out
I agree. APA is looking better and better imo
Joe Laskey; I am with you regarding the rubber dry rotting or degrading. I also wonder if it will squeak if it becomes wet or the limbs are not even dependent on cam lean.
I was literally just discussing that in text with a couple buddies… definitely can’t believe the longevity would be very good with a rubber strip exposed to the elements
Adam, I suppose that it will be or become a replacement item.
How long does rubber last on your vehicles engine mount ? It will do fine in a bow limb. It will also Eliminate the issue of pro shops over pressing Mathews bows and the limbs splintering in the center on the belly side.
@@jasonbarnes3188 I think that it will depend on the chemical composition of the rubber. I have had some "Navcom" (Limbsaver) products go bad after a couple of seasons just sitting in my basement. I have also had rubber dampener poo roductsbeging melting on the stabilizer after having been stored on the bow inside a foam poo added bow case; there was some sort of chemical breakdown from being surrounded by foam even though the bow case was lined with cotton or some fabric mix.
@@nathanlester5054 to add to your point, i had a limbsaver on a rifle do that. I put an orange beanie over it thinking it would stop and also keep it off the foam. But once it starts theres no stopping. The next time i pulled the gun out i had an orange fuzzy limbsaver. Also seen one glue itself to the carpet leaned up in the corner.
Not nearly enough change for me to purchase this. My atlas will do me for another year, i might just go get a apa this year instead.
8 limbs? Seems like a lot of extra stuffing around for minimal gain if the V3X was so quiet?
PJ is a huuuge fan of his V3X and after shooting the Phase 4 he said he was very impressed with how much quieter and softer it was. Turns out that even though the V3X was incredibly smooth, they managed to make a significant difference on the Phase 4.
Bow still ugly as all get out. Looks like a power line tower!
Man… kinda disappointed in Mathews this year, got me looking at that pse Mach 34 pretty hard, basically it’s the same bow as they’ve had for the last several years, I also wish they had a 80 lbs option, I have the VXR 31.5 from 2019 and other than the cable guard and a couple extra holes in the riser it’s the same bow, what happens when your walking through brush and that knob holding your $2-300 stabilizer falls off I hope it locks some how, just the bracket to hold the rear bar is $200 you’ll easily double the price of this bow just getting getting the basic accessories for it
Agreed - At this stage the improvements to the Mathews bows are so minor that they'll hardly register in the real world. Personally, I would love an excuse to purchase a Mathews, specifically because of the engage limb system. But when all is said and done, I don't particularly like the draw cycle, back wall or speed coming from this cam system. In this way, they are beat by both Hoyt and PSE.
Mathews is like a car with fantastic features and bodywork, but a middle-of-the-road engine. The frills are terrific but not at the expense of the things that matter (draw, hold, speed, tunability).
Great another lack luster money pit from Matthews
Mathews is really good at proprietary design. Can’t hate them for that. Another great review PJ. My V3X 33 is 6 months used. I might upgrade for the hell of it. Well done Mathew’s. Top hats can go.
Just buy limbs. Lot cheaper.
The top hats are still in there... They didn't go anywhere.
Call is the Halon mark 8 lol. I shoot a v3 and love it don't get me wrong but none of the offers from the halon on are actually a serious amount different. I owned both. The halon 6 once loaded up with your accessories is honestly almost as good if not as good. So I dunno. It's getting boring for sure
I’ve been shooting the halon 6 since it came out. It’s getting worn out but it’s been through hell and back. Love the thing
The quality of rubber will be key for longevity.
Yes yes yes yes again
Have you ever had an issue with the rubber around a harmonic damper? I can’t recall one time in 15 years one was replaced other than for color option. Just a thought.
since approx. 5 years Mathew is selling bows that are not meant to last (if you actually shoot a lot) .... why should they? ...the next model is just a year away and there are enough minds out there believing that the newer bow makes them a better archer...
I see the finish on the limbs is already coming off lol
Mathews sux. $1500 bow with 25 cents Chinese pos bearings. Way to go Mathews. I’ll never own another one.
If bowhunters would stop buying new bows every year. It wouldn't cost 1500 dollars for new bow.
Doesn’t make sense to have a bow that is 33in axle to axle and the draw length stoping at 31.5 need the litter bit more draw length
They improve their strongest parts... And ignore rheir weakest.
The tuneability is crap... Look at bowtech and elite
A bowtech reckoning 36 g2 or a elite verdict would be nice😜
The same old stuff from Mathews. It’s fun watching reviewers try to convince the consumer that there is actually something worth talking about with Mathews 2023. Mathews is by far the least tunable bow on the market. The “switch weight “ mods are terrible, the idea that I need to spend $60 to change my holding weight or draw length is ridiculous. BridgeLock?? Lol who cares, silly gimmicks, with the same old technology. I would like to thank Mathews for making my choices for a new bow easier 👍🏻👍🏻
My v3x 29 is a great bow and is already quite and dead in the hand.
So it's a v3x with new limbs
Hahaha Sorry PJ but the thing with the Stab Bolt is in fact wrong ! Period ! Buy a Metallic Book and learn whats going on with Screwconnection and what torgue you can archive with this. Besides that the Flat Backside on the Regular Stabs Press full on the Frontside from the Bushing ! It is in Fact a relay realy good Connection .An actual 5/16 Screw is in fact more secure and save as an tiny handknop where you basicaly press the Stab down in this Riser "Pocket" . Yeah Mathews say its better but here we have Pirelli that says his Tires are Rounder than the Michelin ...where is a measured proof for all this stuff ? Who can proof this thing is fact 30% quider and blabla.... i would like to see some Hooter Shooter machines with messurmend Electronics that can show me Numbers... Solutions where never Problems was. And anybody says the best Stab wheys nothing and all the wheight is in the end. So we have here an Aloy Bar ! The Weights are behind the bulky metal Tip ..The Wheigts are also full with Moving Parts to archive the clamp mechanism . Many More Parts , many more than before , Maybe many more Problems ?. This is not realy the best way for a Stab. And who wants everytime change the lengh from the Stabs ??? Haha Useless Feature . Oh and please bring the 12 Inch Integrated Stab 10° down ! Ups ... These sliding features are funny on Paper but ok - i have on my backbar an 4° down and 5° outwards I want to slide in my 10° Backbar in - Ups - when you slide in that stops on the Riser...
Sorry i dont see here a realy Useful Change .
I have no Problems when somebody tells me - hey we make the new Stabs because it looks cool and we want to make sells ! Its ok for me !But this fantastic Storys what Mathews have behind this Products fits more in a Lord of the Ring Movie as in a real World ...
My 2 Cents.
Let's be honest. Bow technology has been maxed out for awhile. There is a ton of marketing BS but performance and specs are essentially the same. Prices soar while performance stalls. Still a cool bow.
Next year it’ll be the same bow with different gimmick seems like they trickle there innovations …….what’s next a cup holder ,built in hand warmers,remote tree /bow line …..still hasn’t exceeded speed or a change in brace height……further note separated limbs seems very shady !!! I’m no expert but long time Mathews shooter still banging away with my Monster XLR 8…….hopefully there get it together….
Same bow as last year. Not worth the upgrade.
Two thumbs down. Upgrade the limbs on the same bow. Not worth spending the money.
Why is Dead in the hand a selling point? This is getting stupid. When’s the last time somebody put down a bow because it was dead in the hand enough for them?
My 4 year old bow still gets multiple deer killed a year and the dead deer never complain about it being dead in the hand or not…..
Eating some venison is the kind of “dead in the hand” I’m after.
Great review!! I have a Matthews V3 31. I love the bow. Have a few questions. 8 limbs, can anything get out of tune over time? Life limits on the center rubber? String is replaced at 1000 shots, so the rubber may have replacement life. I like all the internal mounting features. I work on aircraft and have seen open inserts corrode over time. Does Matthews have an insert plug to plug the open holes so they stay in better condition. And the last question is does the rubber and internal mounts also reduce the bow weight than the V3X 33 and 29? Didn't the V3X have a speed rating of 342 FPS and now 336FPS. Why the difference is it is the same bow.
Guess I’m buying a Hoyt
Mathews just became too greedy ....all what their insane margin policy (manufacturing costs vs sales price) does, is encouraging cheaper knock-0ff productions. Site plates, quiver, stabilizers etc.....take the whole Mathew package and the price for the entire bow doubles .... insane!
When people cry about the new bow it's like they don't like their current Mathews bow or are they just super entitled.
Same ole bow different year
I'm happy with my Matthew's No Cam. It does just fine👍
I also have a NoCam from 8 years ago and it is still the best bow. So accurate and consistent. Today I went to a pro shop and shot the phase 4. I agree it was more dead in the hand but the draw cycle seemed a bit rough. Now I would need more time on it but as you said. My NoCAM is still working great and deadly. This bow is $1400? Think I’ll just buy new strings…
@@sevenfrommatthew heck ya!
So we’re gonna pay 1300 bucks for a new set of limbs and new place to put a stabilizer? Literally make the same bow every year I’m surprised if they make any money off of it what a let down man
You would be surprised. Mathews Fanboy’s run deep.
@@jmartinez4460 I believe it it’s crazy people will spend all that money on basically just a new pair of limbs lol
I'll be keeping the Levitate still... I will await the new release from Elite (if there really is a carbon bow coming out). Omen will be the 3D bow this year I think.
Shot the Levitate at the bow shop a few months ago and my hand is still vibrating from my last shot.
@@RealRadNek It's quite odd that there are such contrary reviews on the same product. I've only put a thousand or so shots through mine but I'm yet to notice this vibration some people speak of. Like all things, choice is the flavor of life. I'm in it for simplicity, reliability, efficiency/killing power and weight. The carbon sure is nice now that it's touching -20°C though. What a huge improvement from aluminum in that cold weather.
As a former PSE fan boy, I have owned the original Omen, DNA, Full Throttle, Evolve 28 & 31, Brute, Xpidite, Decree and I might be missing a few in there. Great bows overall. Great product but tried Mathews with the V3 and I thought my evolve 28 had no hand shock until I shot the V3 that proved me wrong on that point. When I demoed the Levitate, I was quite disappointed but clearly from sales, not everyone thinks that way. That’s why we all have opinions. You can here the deeper story on my channel if you care to see my contrarian review of the levitate. All the best and hope you have the opportunity to whack a big’n this season!
@@RealRadNek 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Liar
More little bows smh
I wanted a carbon riser
You only hear the arrow impacting the target....Eeerrrie!
For a moment I thought I lost my hearing. Turns out this bow is dead silent. Hahahahahaha
lol over a month old video and not 1 like or reply from landcaster archery supply.....mmmmmm
Let's see if this over priced bow does anything better than my bear? Nope okay
It's prob so quiet deer can't even hear you walking through the woods with it haha
yeah, the next one will have noise cancelling capability with integrated Bose technology 😁
i still have the creed
To me too many outdated features. Ind mods for dl and let off and top hat spacers for tuning.
Every year the same crap over and over. Really.
8 limbs 😢. Bow shops are gonna hate this bow. Which they hated changing strings to start with. Way to go Mathew’s 👎
I'm waiting for the phase 8
Lmao. You gotta wait 4 more years for that boat anchor
Next year- “New from Mathews for 2024 is the Mathews V5XXX and introduces an integrated quiver, allowing you to insert your shafts deep within the riser. The shaft receiver is rubber lined around the rim for vibration dampening and is patented as the Mathews Glory Hole…..”
8 mini limbs combined that’s got be breaking limbs waiting to happen along with the rubber between them breaking and deteriorating or slinging out I looked at one today and hung it right back up I’ll choose something else
They are great bows no doubt, but I dont think I will EVER sell my V3 27! I have the #75 mods and its pulling 82 pounds and 29 in h draw the elk hate it!
People should know that the Phase4 is $100 more and doesn't come with the stabilizer which cost $ 260 to 280 each. Bummer!
Lancaster Archery, do you take trade ins? Like a V3X 33 for a Phase 4 33 with extra cost for the new bow?
As soon as you said it needs a bow press to change the Hats, > I stopped Looking !! I`ll stick to Elite !!
Same cams, riser, and speed. I don’t see why anyone would buy this. A dud in my opinion.
Mathews gets away with too much
This isn’t what us shooters want. The v3x was already the deadest bow on the market but Mathews is falling way behind on tunability. It’s no wonder why Mathews shooters are switching to elite. Not to mention more parts means more areas for failure. Big dud this year Mathews.
The obsession with VIBRATION is just silly. So what if there is a little vibration when you fire. It's so small in these modern bows already, and again, the arrow is looonnnggg gone before your brain even knows you fired.
I love my v3x, but tuning it myself has been a pain in the ass. The top hat system is outdated, especially when bowtexh and others have way better cam tuning options. My local "pro" shops "tuning" is a joke, I have to do it myself, which is fine, but I would have loved to see a replacement for cam tuning like several other manufacturers.
Case in point my top Cam is leaning after replacing my strings. My local pro shop said this wasn't a problem and ushered me out the door. I have a wicked left tear, which wasn't discovered by their paper tuning since they only paper tune with 2 or 3 arrows at 2' to 3' and call it good. Instead of being able to pull out an Allen wrench and adjust the Cam myself, I have not shot the bow for over a week while I try to find time to drive to the only Matthews pro shop around, argue with them about the necessity to change the top Cam hat, and deal with the attitude of you don't know what you're talking about but we'll do it anyway oh and that was a $100.
Watch how many people buy it! It’ll out sell everything
I hate to agree but I totally do. I have a v3x 33 and I love it, but I keep looking at the customization, and tuning features of other bow and I’m looking that direction. I don’t need a bridge lock for my stabilized… 🤷🏻♂️
@@ambiguity22 damn bruh. Hits hard when you say tunning is on you at your local pro shop. I had the same issue but my local shop closed down. Not much loss honestly.
You never shot a Hoyt rx7 ultra….
The three things Mathews should have focused on above noise and vibration are bearings, grip and strings. The bows were already quiet and dead in the hand. Once you get a good set of strings on them and an aftermarket grip, they are excellent bows.
Grip is basically just as good as every other stock bows grips😂😂 their strings do go out quicker though. But I still get 2 to 3 years out of mine.
To me this is sacrificing stability to comfort...
Nah I will stick with my Bear Execute.
this is a great video, better than the last one i saw, thanks
Mathews obv paid you to say this stuff 😂😂
The ones complaining about the tunability of the Phase 4 doesn’t realize that only about 1% of people shooting them can actually shoot to the bows capability.
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Don’t take that noisy drop away to the woods lol I could hear him draw that arrow back from where I’m sitting and I don’t even know where he was recording it
Sticky back felt fixes that
Will the v3 mods work on this bow model
So if it's basically the same riser and cam, could i just buy new limbs and bam phase 4?
That's what I was thinking, new Phase 4 limbs for my V3 27". Love that bow for the tree saddle.
It’s so quiet that it tells you to shut up when you release. Your breathing is actually louder. So dead in the hand that you begin to loose feeling in your arm. A full 11% more quiet and dead than last year. Unfortunately, still a rectangle.
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I'm just going to use my V3 31" for the next 10 ish years and then buy the latest and greatest what's the point of buying a new bow every year
Sweet looking Mathew’s! They pretty much made the perfect bow that for the last few years they came out with extras for the bow or that goes on the bow, I’m curious about the rubber between the limbs becoming sun rotted over time. LAS, Is it an easily replaceable peace? Or do you have to get new sets of limbs?
I instantly thought of the same problem with the rubber wearing out, hmmm, less parts more durable in long run.
@@HopeGamerBrand Im no engineer…, Wondering if Mathew’s came out with an injection mold during the riser machining process by putting hollow channels in the riser they could inject navcom or whatever rubber encased in the riser. Kinda like foam spray to quiet up a tree stand. I’m sure it can be done or something along those lines.
@@joelaskey2121 now that would be insane! Good idea I wish they would try.
Take my money
one thing that mathews needs to do is fix the cam axis by bearings over the limbs like in Bowtech this I think is a gigantic upgrade because I think it's much more accurate and less prone to limbs snap or broke
Love my VXR! Well-tuned and reliable. Can't upgrade every time a new product is released. I have this sucker dialed in and deadly accurate.
Wow if you don't have every model what are you even doing