Read The Athletic's latest Transfer DealSheet here: www.nytimes.com/athletic/5949367/2024/11/29/manchester-united-arsenal-liverpool-transfer-latest-real-madrid/ Also, check out the 2025 Transfer Radar, The Athletic's ultimate guide to players who could be on the move: www.nytimes.com/athletic/5936155/2024/12/19/transfer-radar-window-signings-guide/
You guys should make a video about how ffp works and general rules for example if man united can get out of ffp if possible or can Saudi ownership rescue united,I guess I would like to know if man united can be rescued,I believe in amorim but with the set of players at united,relagation looks possible
When did J.J. start wearing shirts with button-down collars? I still think of him as wearing only t-shirts. When did he start morphing into his middle-aged form?
Isak - £63m plus addons so around £70m plus Real Sociedad will have 15-20% sell on fee, So just to break even Newcastle would need to sell him for £85m! that's with zero profit after taking a £70m gamble on him in the premier league! That means really its gonna be a minimum of £125m to buy him and even then that's only £40m profit to Newcastle which isn't great for one of the best strikers in the league. It would prob take £150m to make them sell him with a contract to 2028 which Arsenal cant afford. So end of discussion by using actual logic and facts.
Haha so true. They only thing that undermines this is with amortisation actually isak on paper may be valued at say 40 mill right now. (not his worth just what is on paper on the accounts) so actually selling him for 100mill may realise a 60 mill profit for newacastle to actually go ahaad and spend right now and stay inline with fsp.
It’s never that simple. But I don’t think we even want him. I think Sesko is who we have firmly in our sights while also monitoring Gyokeres. We ain’t paying more than £100m for Isak and he’s worth more than that to Newcastle (probably). Plus the fact he’s injury prone - I think it’s all talk. Newcastle got a fair deal and he’s working for them. That’s it.
This feels odd. These two used to be different groups just overlapped, TIFO and the other one where Hamil was. Ornstein to boot. The Athletic just owns everything and everyone now.
Re: Robinson - he was actually tested out in those central areas by Pochettino in the latest USMNT match, and he seemed quite comfortable and adept in the role. It remains to be seen how that carries over to tougher competition, though.
38:04 I'm sick of hearing about this 30 goals season, he's done it once at a time when his contract was going to expire and even then it was mostly a purple patch for a couple of months. I once threw a cigarette at a friends head when he wasn't looking and it landed perfectly between his fingers, just because I did that once doesn't mean I can repeat it.
Two up front died long before Guardiola. Let’s not pretend Guardiola completely redesigned football, when the real pioneers were people like Cruyff, Michels, Bielsa, Rangnick. Pep combined all these pioneers and put them in teams that included some of the best players to have ever played the game.
If a Saudi club offered Newcastle 200 million for Isak they would definitely go for it, whether he would go is a different story. Outside of that I don't think any one in the Premier League has the money to shell out that Newcastle would ask for, given his contract has 4 years left to run. PSG might do it for say 150 million and then Newcastle have a serious decision to make.
Definitely, Newcastle will never sell him to another competitor prem club, they've been open about that being their policy. Isak is happy at Newcastle, and contracted till 2028. This idea that he's itching to join the bottlers at arsenal is utter nonsense. Realistically if he leaves it will be to Barca to replace Lewandowski or to PSG for stupid money.
@@oitoitoi1 I think he'd jump at the chance to join Arsenal. It would be a great move for him. Barcelona cant afford him and PSG are not much of a side these days. I have a sneaky feeling he'll go to City though
Im wondering whether we are looking at Delap - Jota is probably no.1 but the injuries. Darwin bless his soul doesnt have quite the composure or finishing to be the no.1 (has pretty much everything else - speed, strength, movement etc)
42:10 while it makes sense for Mainoo to get behind Nunes to create a better attack, does it not leave a massive hole behind Amad if the pass gets misplaced and City then have a massive advantage to counter because there's only the CB v Haaland once the pass is completed.
Amorim doesn’t care about how they dress and eat. He was just using that as an example for his attention to detail under a theory of ‘how you do everything is how you do anything’. It’s about looking at someone and their actions holistically not just looking at the details in isolation
I've been saying it for so long Liam was good enough to be our backup striker as soon as alvarez left I was hoping we'd give him a chance and he's a youth player and there's no harm in buying him back and giving him minutes especially when haaland isn't getting service to offer something else
I wonder why they seem to minimize Robinson's attributes. I mean all they did was show some data on where some backs spend time on the field, with little to nothing about what they've been *doing* there comparatively. Ex - TAA literally can't defend on the outside, and when Klopp used him there anyway he was exposed over and over again. Now he's being protected by not asking him to defend like a fullback. Robinson on the other hand is a great defender in that position and has had the numbers to prove it for a few years now. What he's added this year is the final product in the attacking 3rd. Also interesting to note that almost the 1st thing Pochettino did was try inverting Robinson in the attacking 3rd. And he was quite effective there 1st time out. So if you want to talk about versatility as a left back, TAA is being played where he is because he *can't* do the other thing. I'd *love* to see how someone like Slot would utilize Robinson.
He is a unique and talented individual (retired to become a successful actor in France) and he would dress like that at events while others wore suits. SAF didn’t even try to get him to conform because of his incredible talent and because no disrespect was intended: “that’s just Eric.” Absolute United and PL legend.
Any comments on Charles Deketelaere at Atalanta and if you think he will transfer with his current very good season, or if you think he should stay in Atalanta (top serie A, good in CL), and if he CAN move up (showed enough or not?) ty
to whoever edits these - when you pop a graphic of a recent article the guys are mentioning in the show like you do, could you add a youtube pop up on screen too or instead of so that it can link straight to it from the actual youtube video please? :)
getting further in i think it was just the trent one was missed - apologies! shout out to the editor i know they don't get much appreciation normally but love the all transfer radar video-like graphics! would love to know what's used for that if this is ever seen😊
Unspoken thing about this transfer is it means that one of Trossard, Jesus, Martinelli is long-term out the door. If they cancel the Sterling loan and buy Lookman for 40m it's a solid 9/10 transfer, but I don't trust that price. Also, he's secretly 27, in a system built for him at Atalanta and arguably has never played consistently well in England. To complicate the deal Arsenal presently have no sporting director. Semenyo looks more like the player Arsenal are pursuing presently at that spot. Relationship with the club, younger, better ball carrier from both sides, versatile, lower wages, roughly similar transfer price.
😂😂 Jon thinks Amorim style is whats hurting United and Rashford? Mate United and Rashford were garbage for last 10 years sans maybe 2 seasons where they finished 2nd. If Amorim moved to more dynamic quick attack it still doesn't solve on field problems.
Ironically I think both Garnacho and Rashford could play the front 2 in a 3-5-2. Regardless I agree. Rashfords problems are his own and United have looked way more solid considering their god awful spine.
It's good to use data and how players operate but have to take systems they are playing in. You might have a right back who's great in progressive passes and everything you need but being played in different role due to the system around him and data will not show that
Robinsons stats suggest that he’s an elite defender/ ball carrier/ crosser. Not so much of a great passer. Yet he played as an inverted fullback for the US vs Jamaica (2nd leg). So I definitely agree, the data reflects the system and how well they’re operating in it - not necessarily how well they’ll do in a different one.
Say what you want about him as a footballer, Marcus Rashford stepped up and fed the children of his city when noone else was doing so and should always be remembered for what he did for this city when he does move on.
Thank you David Ornstein, thanks your dangerously cutting edge journalism I'm now aware that; with each day that parses, we're get closer to January FIRST.... WOW
What are you talking about? Pep revolutionised no such thing, he's a system merchant. I admit, a great manager, but can we plz stop giving he credit, for things he's not responsible for. 😕
@@geekylove3603Though I mostly do not agree with this guys assessment of Pep, it is definitely absolute nonsense that Pep invented the 4-3-3 system, it has been around for a long time outside of the British isles.
@geekylove3603 In my defence, I whole heartedly stand by calling Pep a system merchant, it's why he's been so successful and should be considered a great mater for it. What bugged me here, was the suggestion that Pep revolutionised a certain type of CF, he didn't, never has. It's just an incredibly rare to get a truly complete, CF. Rooney would be considered one, even tho wasn't tallest, Ibrahimovic too. As great a he is, Haaland is not of the ilk.
I thought this was an insight into some of the up & coming new winter transfers but how wrong was I when the football geeks got out their "Here is a 2 hour technical breakdown that I threw together in mt sleep" 😵💫
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Read The Athletic's latest Transfer DealSheet here:
www.nytimes.com/athletic/5949367/2024/11/29/manchester-united-arsenal-liverpool-transfer-latest-real-madrid/
Also, check out the 2025 Transfer Radar, The Athletic's ultimate guide to players who could be on the move:
www.nytimes.com/athletic/5936155/2024/12/19/transfer-radar-window-signings-guide/
You guys should make a video about how ffp works and general rules for example if man united can get out of ffp if possible or can Saudi ownership rescue united,I guess I would like to know if man united can be rescued,I believe in amorim but with the set of players at united,relagation looks possible
Hamils alive? Missed the FD reunion!
When I die, I want Jon to analyse my life tactics
AI could make this possible lol
@@nishantak911🤣🤣 i can’t wait
As we can see he spent 42% of his time on the couch. This wasn't a good tactical move.
@@benry007 I think the most important stat would be edge p90
When did J.J. start wearing shirts with button-down collars? I still think of him as wearing only t-shirts. When did he start morphing into his middle-aged form?
Must be because Ornstein is in the building
It's cold, got to layer up. I'm sure he's wearing some sort of whacky t-shirt underneath
Winter bull
It's great to see the King of the Segue, CP Hamill, is alive. I would love him to have his own show on Athletic FC.
Thanks for tuning in my man 🤝
[Hamill]
@TheAthleticFC yes mate get in
Isak - £63m plus addons so around £70m plus Real Sociedad will have 15-20% sell on fee, So just to break even Newcastle would need to sell him for £85m! that's with zero profit after taking a £70m gamble on him in the premier league! That means really its gonna be a minimum of £125m to buy him and even then that's only £40m profit to Newcastle which isn't great for one of the best strikers in the league. It would prob take £150m to make them sell him with a contract to 2028 which Arsenal cant afford. So end of discussion by using actual logic and facts.
Exactly what I’m saying. Some people don’t realise how much we paid for him and think we will just let him go!
Who is worth 150mm in today’s market
Haha so true. They only thing that undermines this is with amortisation actually isak on paper may be valued at say 40 mill right now. (not his worth just what is on paper on the accounts) so actually selling him for 100mill may realise a 60 mill profit for newacastle to actually go ahaad and spend right now and stay inline with fsp.
Incorporating the 70m into his current price is the sunk cost fallacy.
It’s never that simple. But I don’t think we even want him.
I think Sesko is who we have firmly in our sights while also monitoring Gyokeres.
We ain’t paying more than £100m for Isak and he’s worth more than that to Newcastle (probably).
Plus the fact he’s injury prone - I think it’s all talk. Newcastle got a fair deal and he’s working for them. That’s it.
Delap, Palmer, Lavia, Trafford, Rogers
Jesus Christ. City truly dropped the ball.
It happens to every team when they have a very successful men's first team...look at what happened to Chelsea in the mid 2010s
Forgot Sancho
Not at Man United
It’s exactly the sale of these players that allows them to not drop the ball.
And now they have an ageing team…
This feels odd. These two used to be different groups just overlapped, TIFO and the other one where Hamil was. Ornstein to boot. The Athletic just owns everything and everyone now.
Whatever
lmaooo
Bit sad still over the demise of FD.. they were the best by far imho
Everything becomes monopolised eventually
Its actually insane how far ahead Jon Mackenzie is of every single TV pundit or ex player in terms of knowledge and understanding of modern tactics
Re: Robinson - he was actually tested out in those central areas by Pochettino in the latest USMNT match, and he seemed quite comfortable and adept in the role. It remains to be seen how that carries over to tougher competition, though.
Glad somebody caught that. And he was *effective* there too.
John hasn't given us a woof in ages, petition to have him give us a christmas woof?
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Will add this to my producer notes.
[Hamill]
Why is little Trotsky being so intense?
Lol I told the guy he looked just like Trotsky a couple years ago and he laughed, counter revolutionary style 🤠
@@willywonka7812hahaha, glad he has a sense of humor about it. Would be quite grim if he didn't!
He's the dry Brit humor type. While Devine is the moist Brit humor type.
It's tough trying to live up to his dad's legacy. Mark Hamill.
little Trotsky lmao just spit out my coffee
38:04 I'm sick of hearing about this 30 goals season, he's done it once at a time when his contract was going to expire and even then it was mostly a purple patch for a couple of months. I once threw a cigarette at a friends head when he wasn't looking and it landed perfectly between his fingers, just because I did that once doesn't mean I can repeat it.
You 100% can repeat that
Two up front died long before Guardiola. Let’s not pretend Guardiola completely redesigned football, when the real pioneers were people like Cruyff, Michels, Bielsa, Rangnick. Pep combined all these pioneers and put them in teams that included some of the best players to have ever played the game.
The random quick Ornstein edits are great! Thank you editor(s)!😂
That laugh when they talking about full backs is priceless 😂😂😂
Isak not going
If a Saudi club offered Newcastle 200 million for Isak they would definitely go for it, whether he would go is a different story. Outside of that I don't think any one in the Premier League has the money to shell out that Newcastle would ask for, given his contract has 4 years left to run. PSG might do it for say 150 million and then Newcastle have a serious decision to make.
You are absolutely spot on. The southern journalists are smoking stuff. Isak is a pipe dream for PL clubs.
Definitely, Newcastle will never sell him to another competitor prem club, they've been open about that being their policy. Isak is happy at Newcastle, and contracted till 2028. This idea that he's itching to join the bottlers at arsenal is utter nonsense. Realistically if he leaves it will be to Barca to replace Lewandowski or to PSG for stupid money.
@@oitoitoi1 I think he'd jump at the chance to join Arsenal. It would be a great move for him. Barcelona cant afford him and PSG are not much of a side these days. I have a sneaky feeling he'll go to City though
Dream on - Alex is staying at the Toon.
@@nc3music920😂 arsenal? No chance - why go there when you could go to barca/madrid/city level teams
Where do they talk about Isak? Couldn’t see in the timestamps? Or did they just use his face to get views?
😂
52:00
Starts at 49:42 🖤🤍
Nice to see Chris back on the screen as a former FD fan
Best part of the episode
loved him and van stratten
Ornstine obviously dont know anything about newcastle he is full of it no premier league club has got 150 mil to send on 1 player
Hammill and JJ together on a pod. What a treat!!
Glad you enjoyed!
[Hamill]
Been a while Chris Hamill!
🫡
These videos are just my favorite ❤️
Isak ain’t going anywhere mate, so pipe down
Hammill the Animal! 🎉❤
🫡
A WILD HAMILL? Bloody lovely stuff. Couldn’t make it to the big fat quiz tho…
Isak talk starts at 49:42
He’s staying at the Toon lads! 🖤🤍
Thanks lad
We need daily hour long content of just jj bull. Doesn’t even need to be about football
Not the first time that's been asked, when are you guys going to look at Forest and Bournemouth? For football sake and not club popularism
You guys need to talk about Newcastle more.
The hamster is back on UA-cam 🎉
🫡
Jon with some cruijff drip, love to see it.
Liverpool needs to Lock in. We need to keep the main lads and bring in atleast 1
Im wondering whether we are looking at Delap - Jota is probably no.1 but the injuries. Darwin bless his soul doesnt have quite the composure or finishing to be the no.1 (has pretty much everything else - speed, strength, movement etc)
Chris Hamil! Love to see it
who in their right mind is gonna want rashford? terrible attitude, insane wages, and frankly, not very good
Well He won't be on insane wages anymore.
42:10 while it makes sense for Mainoo to get behind Nunes to create a better attack, does it not leave a massive hole behind Amad if the pass gets misplaced and City then have a massive advantage to counter because there's only the CB v Haaland once the pass is completed.
Hamill what a boy
Glad you enjoyed my dude 🤝
[Hamill]
I love these videos. It's are some of the best football content on youtube
🤝
Amorim doesn’t care about how they dress and eat. He was just using that as an example for his attention to detail under a theory of ‘how you do everything is how you do anything’. It’s about looking at someone and their actions holistically not just looking at the details in isolation
I've been saying it for so long Liam was good enough to be our backup striker as soon as alvarez left I was hoping we'd give him a chance and he's a youth player and there's no harm in buying him back and giving him minutes especially when haaland isn't getting service to offer something else
Tierney.. Celtic.. Here we go? I thought that was someone else's catchphrase 😂😂😂
I wonder why they seem to minimize Robinson's attributes. I mean all they did was show some data on where some backs spend time on the field, with little to nothing about what they've been *doing* there comparatively.
Ex - TAA literally can't defend on the outside, and when Klopp used him there anyway he was exposed over and over again. Now he's being protected by not asking him to defend like a fullback. Robinson on the other hand is a great defender in that position and has had the numbers to prove it for a few years now. What he's added this year is the final product in the attacking 3rd. Also interesting to note that almost the 1st thing Pochettino did was try inverting Robinson in the attacking 3rd. And he was quite effective there 1st time out.
So if you want to talk about versatility as a left back, TAA is being played where he is because he *can't* do the other thing. I'd *love* to see how someone like Slot would utilize Robinson.
Who is in the picture frame in Jean jacket and Boss t-shirt? And what’s the context of that picture?
Eric Cantona
thanks!
He is a unique and talented individual (retired to become a successful actor in France) and he would dress like that at events while others wore suits. SAF didn’t even try to get him to conform because of his incredible talent and because no disrespect was intended: “that’s just Eric.” Absolute United and PL legend.
Nobody will pay a lot of money for Rashford, so not a big transfer. 😅
Imagine if journalists like Ornstein were as animated about football as they are about transfers
Any comments on Charles Deketelaere at Atalanta and if you think he will transfer with his current very good season, or if you think he should stay in Atalanta (top serie A, good in CL), and if he CAN move up (showed enough or not?) ty
Sad times Phil Hay used to have a real job reporting on a real team. Now he has to write about salt bae
Robinson has played as an inverted fullback for the USA under Poch, very impressively I might add
Can someone tell me where to get data for pl to analyze
take a shot every time they say admire
Garnacho can go play his run in behind tactics at Stoke or Everton. No room for that under Amorim, we want the ball!
Why is Kieran Tierney not playing? I never understood why? Did something happen?
Injuries mate. Unlucky
Thank god for timestamps
You have producer Don to thank for that!
[Hamill]
Yes Hammil!
Thanks for tuning in, Sonny 🤝
[Hamill]
to whoever edits these - when you pop a graphic of a recent article the guys are mentioning in the show like you do, could you add a youtube pop up on screen too or instead of so that it can link straight to it from the actual youtube video please? :)
getting further in i think it was just the trent one was missed - apologies! shout out to the editor i know they don't get much appreciation normally but love the all transfer radar video-like graphics! would love to know what's used for that if this is ever seen😊
Phenomenal episode! I love anything involving Hamill, and he fits the dynamic here really well!
Ademola Lookman, I've never seen a more obvious arsenal transfer
For that price, there should be a real fight for that incredibly talented and hard working player, I feel like the price cant be 35-40 million
Unspoken thing about this transfer is it means that one of Trossard, Jesus, Martinelli is long-term out the door. If they cancel the Sterling loan and buy Lookman for 40m it's a solid 9/10 transfer, but I don't trust that price. Also, he's secretly 27, in a system built for him at Atalanta and arguably has never played consistently well in England. To complicate the deal Arsenal presently have no sporting director.
Semenyo looks more like the player Arsenal are pursuing presently at that spot.
Relationship with the club, younger, better ball carrier from both sides, versatile, lower wages, roughly similar transfer price.
This is the best video The Athleitc has done to date, I love this new host, and I love Ornstein and JJ
😂😂 Jon thinks Amorim style is whats hurting United and Rashford? Mate United and Rashford were garbage for last 10 years sans maybe 2 seasons where they finished 2nd. If Amorim moved to more dynamic quick attack it still doesn't solve on field problems.
Ironically I think both Garnacho and Rashford could play the front 2 in a 3-5-2. Regardless I agree. Rashfords problems are his own and United have looked way more solid considering their god awful spine.
Hamill the Animal my goat
I appreciate you 🤝
[Hamill]
Thats not Joe
David's laugh at 7:25
This is my dream team for football podcast.
JJ, John, David and the dude replacing Joe are really awesome at their no nonsense analysis
I much prefer this host!
I mean, I would hardly say that JJ is 'no nonsense'. it's the nonsense we all come for surely
David looks ready to check his phone and leave the whole time.
@@matthewdobson100JJ comes with lots of nonsense. So I stopped watching.
7:40 - Perhaps Robinson would be a good fit for Amorim's United
Definitely
OHHH CHRIS HAMILLLLLLL
It's good to use data and how players operate but have to take systems they are playing in. You might have a right back who's great in progressive passes and everything you need but being played in different role due to the system around him and data will not show that
You'll enjoy Jon's opening gambit, then!
[Hamill]
Robinsons stats suggest that he’s an elite defender/ ball carrier/ crosser. Not so much of a great passer. Yet he played as an inverted fullback for the US vs Jamaica (2nd leg). So I definitely agree, the data reflects the system and how well they’re operating in it - not necessarily how well they’ll do in a different one.
Say what you want about him as a footballer, Marcus Rashford stepped up and fed the children of his city when noone else was doing so and should always be remembered for what he did for this city when he does move on.
jj casually pulling fm stats in liam delap convo
Thank you David Ornstein, thanks your dangerously cutting edge journalism I'm now aware that; with each day that parses, we're get closer to January FIRST.... WOW
These people that talk all these tactics on these shows ever managed a team
Is saka turn in february?😭😭please tell me😢habte from Ethiopia .
I really think this new hosts is good
Glad you enjoyed 👍🏻
[Hamill]
HAMILLL MY LOVE
Rashford x Kolo Muani 6month swap 22:57
Hamillllll❤❤❤
God I missed your face Hamill
Really funny this
What are you talking about? Pep revolutionised no such thing, he's a system merchant. I admit, a great manager, but can we plz stop giving he credit, for things he's not responsible for. 😕
Bore off back to rugby.
@geekylove3603 I'm not from the Warwickshire region. 😏
@@geekylove3603Though I mostly do not agree with this guys assessment of Pep, it is definitely absolute nonsense that Pep invented the 4-3-3 system, it has been around for a long time outside of the British isles.
@geekylove3603 In my defence, I whole heartedly stand by calling Pep a system merchant, it's why he's been so successful and should be considered a great mater for it.
What bugged me here, was the suggestion that Pep revolutionised a certain type of CF, he didn't, never has. It's just an incredibly rare to get a truly complete, CF. Rooney would be considered one, even tho wasn't tallest, Ibrahimovic too. As great a he is, Haaland is not of the ilk.
@wtfamiactuallyright1823
Fair enough, you've rounded out your thought. Association Football has it's arms wide open, eager for your return.
Any spurs news ,or reports
Rashfords going nowhere, wages huge , performance poor. Clubs looking for next big player, not last years big player.
Would love Marmoush at Arsenal, can cover multiple positions
Only took a year for Hamill to be trusted to host a show
HAMILLLL!
HAMIL!!!
My man 🤝
[Hamill]
CP Hamilllllllll 😃
🫡
no jonathan david or davies??
🔜
Love seeing hamil
Appreciate you 🤝
[Hamill]
Crazy that only one of these guys actually knows any ball
I came here for JJ Bull
Should've replaced Joe with Thomlinson. Iykyk
Hamil is a great contrast to Joe
Glad you enjoyed!
[Hamill]
Lookman should stay in Atlanta. That is his home. England and Germany never worked
Atalanta...
0:31 Fabrizio Romano 🌚👀
no big joe :( but great video as always!
Glad you enjoyed 🤝
[Hamill]
Rashford took a sick day and did the interview?
I thought this was an insight into some of the up & coming new winter transfers but how wrong was I when the football geeks got out their "Here is a 2 hour technical breakdown that I threw together in mt sleep" 😵💫
What’s the football daily guy doing here
Is this on Spotify?
LFC - in Michael Edwards we trust
isak is going nowhere. fake news bullshit
Yes 4 more years on his contract