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I think it's strange she looked up Take Out Three and then the V means 4. Maybe that was some kind of trigger. I know it was for food but the coincidence is bizarre. Benzodiazapines are bad news.
@@moondancer4660 Of course they do, but I suspect that that phrase is now too commonly used and no longer accepted by YT. It is such a hypocritical policy, but it is the one they must deal with. Have a great day!
I've had deposits since I was 12. I'm now gonna be 40 in a few months. I had ppd with my now 16 year old real bad. But I never felt that I wanted to hurt him or my other kids. Idk I was crazy as he'll but I just kept thinking I was gonna die and my kids wouldn't have a mother
@@ericcotter1984you're an idiot if you think that, depression affects millions, every fucking day, most people wish it wasn't a real thing, but unfortunately, we all live in a world where it's very, very real
During our mental health rotations, we learned that a sudden improvement in being "better" is actually a warning sign in people with suicidal ideation. We were told to watch these people very closely because it can mean that they have formulated and decided on a plan to end their life.
@@ashleybergstrom8934 Because he was never told by a doctor that it would be an issue nor was his wife 💯% honest about how she was feeling regretful towards her older children either! She was perfectly fine that day & evening too!
@@coffeecrimegal5968You're right about the dad not knowing, or being told. I disagree with her being fine that day. She may have seemed that way, but she clearly wasn't. People really need to quit blaming the dad. It infuriates me like it does you. I say that about her because I believe she had made peace with the decision to end their lives and hers, so she came off as being fine.
I gave birth to my 4th child in 2007. Between 2008 and 2019 I was hospitalized 8 times for suicide attempts. It took until 2022 to come through the fog. I, thankfully, never harmed my children but it was a decade + of medication, therapy, and HELL. It was something I absolutely did not experience with my first 3 children and it took me so much by surprise. My heart goes out to this family!!
Thank you for sharing ❣️ My daughter was colic, but I had to figure out I was eating wrong for my breast milk. I breast fed for over two (2) years. I thought colic was bad. Than we hear from you how bad it was. Our minds can not be very kind to us sometimes. Thanks again❣️ I am glad you are doing better❣️
I had postpartum euphoria. I have suffered from depression all of my life and we were watching for signs of postpartum depression, but for the first two to three months I was showing no signs of depression whatsoever. Everything was just great. It was too great. I was too happy and too high. It came crashing down around the third month. I sunk into a very very deep depression. My doctor called it postpartum euphoria. She said that it's not very common, but when it does happen it usually happens to people who have a history of severe depression.
I have severe depression that started over 20 years ago. It’s been so long since I’ve felt “happiness” that I don’t remember it. At all. It’s probably not good that I would welcome that euphoria, just to feel something- *anything* remotely positive.
I never knew this was a thing. I suffer from depression all my life. When I gave birth to my second child, I couldn't sleep because of excitement. I was so happy that I couldn't explain. I was able to feel more normal after couple of months.
Postpartum psychosis & depression are big factors that put me off becoming a parent. My grandfather’s very devout first wife ended her own life due to it in the 50’s. Louis Theroux did did a documentary on it.
There was a story they did where the mom heard voices and killed her baby… but she was poor and possibly on drugs so no one had any empathy towards that mom. It’s just interesting how classism comes into play.
There are so many easily reachable resources now days. There's help available. If this is a fear you already have, you can make plans for support and resources, in case you do need them. Postpartum depression is awful. It really is. But there are ways to reduce the impact of that difficult time.
@@TheQueenOfSheba oh definitely, effects all walks of life. Only mentioned the fact they were devout to highlight how women with the strongest convictions can be decimated by postpartum illnesses. Pregnancy is no joke , the hormonal storm during & after should be treated as a physical complication more than a mental insufficiency.
@@TheQueenOfShebaI have little to no empathy for anyone who harms a child. But as someone who spent most of my life in extreme poverty and also as a recovering addict, I see those factors as non excuses. Because there are resources available, even to the poorest of the poor. They're there even for us. You just have to have a the will to take personal responsibility and seek out those resources. This country does still have a long way to go in mental health care, especially for the poor or uninsured but help is out there if you want to find it.
i can guarantee that the rapid changes in her medications are a very strong contributing factor in what happened. i was shuffled around on a few different meds in january 2023 & the strain of having so many chemical changes at once sent me into psychosis as well. i thankfully didn’t hurt anyone but i was hospitalized to be safe. coupled with PPD, the ever-changing medications could create severe psychosis to the point of killing her kids even if she didn’t want to. this is the first time i’ve really felt for the perpetrator in one of your videos, but there’s mountains of evidence that she was open with her struggles & actively seeking help before this darkness consumed her. i hope she is getting the help she deserves.
I agree. Anti-psychotic medications are no joke, and they seem to have very different side effects with different people. They are certainly not something that should be combined with other medications or even vitamins without thorough consideration and review.
My sister has had a lot of med changes and yes. Oh my god yes. I can tell when she switches meds. I wish she wasn’t on them because I hate being around her the past year. She wasn’t always like this but I have my own struggles and she brings out the worse nowadays.
agreed, i have always heard of the 6 week rule. i’ve been on SSRIs for years and not taking my meds for just one day causes noticeable differences. there’s also the possibility of an immediate emotional high at the beginning of taking a medication until it mellows out and people tend to think it’s not working any more. changing so rapidly like that is dangerous. it really feels like they were just throwing meds at her rather than determining which would be best for her.
@@TheQueenOfShebapostpartum psychosis doesn’t mean that you don’t remember what you’ve done at least partially. It could have felt like a nightmare or a vivid delusion to her, it sounds like she was asking what happened, in the only way she could imagine asking. Keep in mind when she woke up she wasn’t being treated yet, so she was still fully unwell mentally. You don’t just wake up and go back to being completely normal
@@TheQueenOfShebashe knew the kids were dead and they wouldn't let her die. She woke up in a broken body. Duh she's going to ask for an attorney. What else is there to say?
@@JenAmazed42yeah I have to agree. I'm curious as to why people are saying that it was the doctor's fault in part at least..... It seems like they were trying to help her. Or am I missing something here?
@@kristab321doctors can only do so much. The only ones to blame are insurance and the mom. The mom (or the dad)should’ve separated herself from the kids until she felt better. This is a sad story. But too many people are focused on “the poor mom” and not enough are focused on the fact that the mom murdered her kids. She isn’t evil. But she did a horrendous thing
@@kristab321 I don't think you're missing anything. The only thing I am comfortable questioning as far as doctors are concerned is why switching meds so quickly before even really giving them a chance to get built up to optimal levels in her system. That part I don't understand but I still don't think that makes them accountable for what I see as her premeditated well planned choices.
My grandson drowned two years ago. I can still hear my sons scream in my soul. My whole body responded when you talked about Patrick finding his children💔💔😪😪😪 I truly hope he is able to find a way to survive this❤❤
I think postpartum issues need to be discussed more, and mental health during pregnancy needs to be taken seriously. I was seriously neglected during pregnancy by my doctor and I now have health conditions I need surgery for, and mental health issues from the trauma of it all. A lot of the stuff I experienced, I wasn’t prepared for, even after taking classes in school and during pregnancy. I still can’t afford proper help because of insurance. It’s disheartening. Everyone loves you when you’re pregnant but disappear when you have the baby
♥️ I wish you all the best and hope things will go better. I hate the US Healthcare system and I am grateful to live in a country where we have a form of universal healthcare, which means that we NEVER have to skip getting medical help for financial reasons!! IT IS PAID FOR!! (We all pay about $85-90 per month and that gets 99% covered, from emergency services, ambulances to surgeries and hospital stays, including mental health help and so on!!) Is it a 100% perfect system? Of course not. But it is getting close!! Take care and know that you’re welcome in the Netherlands 😉
Even just acknowledging that paid maternal leave should exist is something the US govt seems allergic to unfortunately, much less helping people with ppd
Because it’s becoming more and more common for pregnant women to tell people they want to be left alone to bond with the baby after birth. They might have good intentions at the time, but then wonder where everyone is when they really need the support. It’s confusing for friends and family and they don’t know where they stand in relation to visiting / checking in after the baby is born.
@@KJxxoo There’s nothing wrong with wanting a little time alone with the child you carried in your stomach for 9months? Especially after a traumatic labor. Friends and family don’t need to be involved immediately. Were they in the womb with the child? No. But they knew the mother before she even became pregnant. Maybe people should support their loved ones even if they want some time alone. Not everyone handles boundaries properly, and guess what? Their mother has the right to refuse that person seeing the child. Which is the reason most “pregnant women are choosing To do it alone”, bc no support is better than someone there just making more problems.
Oh Lord postpartum is no joke! I got it so bad it first manifested with tears and sadness right into psychosis. The thoughts I had scared me so much I called my mom and went IMMEDIATELY to the ER and told them I was having bad thoughts and was admitted in the psych ward. THE BEST DECISION I ever made! The scary part was how sudden the mood switched from just sadness to immediate ANGER AND FRUSTRATION cause he wouldn’t stop crying! My heart goes out to all❤
Good to hear the decision was made to admit you. Glad you are well now and everyone safe. If my spouse told me they had dark thoughts about the kids, the last thing I would do is nothing.
New mothers need help with babies, the new moms my not have a mom to help, or other female family members. It would be so helpful if neighbors, or friends would come to take care of the babies while the mother gets some rest, or to do laundry. Bring a new family some food, a casserole, sandwiches, anything to lighten the load. I understand that it won't stop depression, but it might help it from exploding into something worse. In the old days we called it the baby blues, but women didnt work outside the house a lot then, so there were more women around to at least visit. We didnt count on men, they had only one job to do outside of the house and wouldn't do "womans work" at all. 😊
I suffered from postpartum psychosis with my 2nd child I kept seeing people breaking into my house but I knew that they weren't there it was terrifying completely terrifying
This is almost more depressing than the cases where it's clear that the situation is doomed. She tried so hard to get help. Post partum depression is no joke
I've listened to dozens of stories where a parent harms their child but this is the only one so far I'm 100% feeling sad for. Truly a horrible situation for everyone, and from what I can hear her husband still loves her, and doesn't blame her.
This story is utterly heartbreaking for everyone involved. May the children rest in peace. May the husband find strength and support from family and friends. And may the mother finally get the help that she so desperately sought after.
This story is just so tragic for everyone involved. I especially feel for the husband, I cannot even imagine. Such absolutely beautiful babies. Unfortunately I think this probably could have been prevented if people did a better job/better understood mental illnesses, mental health and postpartum disorders. Great job on telling this story. You guys do a wonderful job covering really hard and dark topics.
Sadly, sometimes mental illness is too severe to be treated before harm comes either to the sufferer or others. I just hope research into postpartum helps us further prevent such tragedies.
A huge problem for new moms is the second you try to reach out, they start calling CPS and trying to take your kids, and it will get used against you if you ever end up in a custody battle.
Please be careful when youre in a bad place emotionally. They have used it against people. Not to scare anyone but you should know the possibilities. If you confess to feeling like you don't want to be here anymore, make sure you clarify that it's how you feel, not what you're thinking of doing. Just that you feel that bad. If you have to go to a shelter be extra aware of your children. I have heard stories that bad people get jobs at these places just because they know your focus is off the kids and the kids are stressed and vulnerable and most likely won't tell their parents that something happened to them. They might not even have the knowledge to explain it. Make sure that they do. Let them know that they have every right to say no to an adult if it doesn't feel right. These creeps pick on the most vulnerable. Just so you know. 🌠
@@ange5981Fr they needed to be taken by CPS. If I was the dad I would have taken the children to a parent or aunt or uncle, and had them stay until she was better.
Fr and I blame the stupid health insurance in America. My dad also passed away due to the insurance not accepting his help from colon cancer. When he passed away, his Medicare came in the mail 3 days later. If he got it in time, he could've gotten the medicine he needed to prevent infection ...
@@c.i0503 it was and my dad's brother got fucking pissed off as well that he had to call the insurance in a very angry voice and say "he passed away because of you! Stop sending in the insurance card!"
I'm a social worker who works with people who experience psychosis, and have experienced it personally as well. To say the husband is a hero for being able to forgive and support his wife through this is an understatement. People really don't understand how utterly out of control psychosis is, it's practically an out of body experience where some insane thing is controlling your actions while you take a backseat.
I’m sorry but how can one be so “out of it/absolutely in the throes of psychosis…..yet so obviously premeditate their 3 babies murders, so much so that they actually timed out the husbands drive to and from The restaraint, and the stop at the pharmacy for fucking miralax 🙄….No I’m sorry. Allllll of these comments are mostly whack. Wtf is everyone not seeing here-- C*** made sure she lived tho. lol
As someone who has dealt with psychosis due to switching psychiatric meds too many times in a short period, yes! It is TERRIFYING. and the hospital treated me like utter shit when my ex brought me in.
I relate to her. I had postpartum depression after the birth of my daughter. I had severe depression, I couldn’t bond with my daughter. It got so bad that I went for a walk to a bridge n had plans to end our lives that day. My mom called n because of that call I’m here today. I broke down in tears n my mom came n picked us up she took me to the hospital. I stayed in the mental health ward for 3 months. I had medication adjusted. Wasn’t till i was past the 1 year mark was when I started to get those mother instinct hormones back. It absolutely kills me inside to think what I had planned. Postpartum is very real and needs more awareness and it’s sad she didn’t get more help.
Maybe she should have been hospitalized and closely watched and medicated- I think see was over medicated, the doctors lost control of the meds, they lost control of the situation.
And I hope it's retroactive to include Lindsey. She must be living a devastating life of misery and hell!! My heart goes out to Lindsey and Patrick. RIP to 3 beautiful angels 💜💙💚
I don’t think there’s anything sadder than postpartum depression/psychosis killings. They’re usually good people and good mothers and who are trying to get help. I can’t imagine how scary it is to feel that way and have those thoughts. I hope she’s able to get help and is found rightfully not guilty.
They really need to educate parents more on postpartum mental illnesses. When I had my daughter I had postpartum anxiety/ocd and I didn’t know it. I never wanted to harm my baby, on the contrary, I thought everything would harm her. I would check the doors and windows over and over, all the sharp things needed to be put away otherwise someone would stab the baby, I had to hold her so she wouldn’t die of SIDS, and then I had to not hold her or I would drop her, etc. Finally I broke and had a breakdown and told my husband I was overwhelmed “keeping the baby safe”. He was confused and told me to go to my doctor asap. I got medication and the help I needed. Before that I didn’t know anything but postpartum depression existed. I was a 30 year old grown woman who had plenty of experience taking care of kids and I knew nothing of all the postpartum illnesses. Thank you for talking about this, it probably helps more than you think. It’s night and day how people reacted when Andrea Yates did what she did and now with Lindsey.
@missspell4897 SAME thing happened to me! I had to stay awake 27/4 because I thought if she was in her bassinet she would suffocate and die and I thought no one could care for her as well as I could and eventually the lack of sleep led to a mental breakdown and then severe depression and I finally started letting my partner take care of her and I trusted him just because I couldn't stay awake any longer but yeah it's terrifying especially when you know when you aren't used to those thoughts you're like what is wrong with me?! Hope you're better now! I finally am and my daughter will be 3 soon!
I suffered from PPD after my first and last born. It's scary and I believe I'm still dealing with it. This story is awful and I feel bad for everyone involved. Sad case for sure.
You are still here with us- so you my dear, have the strength of a warrior! I'm so sorry you experienced this dreadful condition but I'm thankful you were able to get help and fight your way back. I understand the battle isnt over and you continue to fight daily at times. This further confirms what an amazing soul you are. Mental health battles are long, fraught with difficulties and set backs and worst of all, cant physically be seen and so are all too often minamised or dismissed. The simple truth is, it's a horrible illness that hits without warning and destroys lives as effectively as a heart attack. Any woman who is struck down with this condition and finds the strength to fight back to recovery is nothing short of a rockstar warrior! Any woman who is struck down with it and can't fight back even one second longer, is a victim. Not a monster. This is a heart breaking story, there are no ' winners'. There is only tragedy I'm so thankful your story has a far better outcome. I'm thankful you were able to get help and support . And I'm thankful you continue to fight the toughest battle imaginable. You are indeed a superstar! Ps- I only wish this story had a similar outcome. And furthermore, that people understood the horror that is this illness. Like I said, there are no ' winners' in this story. There are no possible ' good outcomes '. Only heart break and loss.
sending love to you. you can actually have postpartum up to 3 years after having your child...I did not start feeling like myself until after my son turned 1.
Knowing I get to see the kitties at the end of these videos is one of the only ways I can get through them. I know it's small, but thank you for that little touch of cuteness.
I am 5 months pregnant, and have struggled with mental illness my entire life. While this is my second pregnancy, I am struggling far more than I did with bub #1. I told my therapist, this is my greatest fear. I was on 5 medications pre-pregnancy, and can only take one now that I'm pregnant. It's honestly terrifying to think of being so out of control that I'd hurt my children. It's just unspeakable. This poor woman, these poor babies, and this poor father. No one wins. There is no justic.
Look at the research from Dr William Walsh. You can find it in youtube... it helped my son immensely. Coming off meds is tough and doing it when your pregnant and have another child to care for takes a lot of strength. Prayers for you.
I have had issues with depression all of my life. When I had my son, I experienced the exact opposite. For the first time in my life, I felt "right" . THAT was a huge relief! Wish it had lasted forever! I hope that you and your baby are doing well.
We need to stop saying post partum is only an issue for poor mothers. It happens more often than you think and its a slow progression. I had it during the first 2 months after birth and it was terrifying. I was afraid of myself. Luckily i had incredible support and i was never medicated. But i was not allowed to be alone with my daughter for almost a year. Its hard but im so glad i got help before it went too far. I dont think she should've been medicated that early. It was never even mentioned as an option for me. We started first with EMDR therapy and basic talk therapy and Frequent visits with medical and behavioral health. I found that going to work and feeling better about the situation as a whole and trusting that i could ask for help at any time was the key. I only have one child but it was because of that experience that made me fear having any other children. I think she suffered for a long time and the medication overly complicated things. She never had a chance.
I am so glad that you had do much support! I know in my situation, I had absolutely no support, and as with so many people had to go it alone. Andbthat is the real danger, I think. Anyway, I'm happy you had the support. Hope all is well now.
I've never heard it was only for poor ppl but I've noticed when certain people do things like this it's mental illness but when others do it it's evil vile I wouldn't call that a mother look at them why would God even give them children or the usual suspects
Thank you for shining a light on postpartum mental health. I, myself had strange thoughts and ideas after having children but I never told anyone out of fear.
She planned it out, yes she was sick, but she had her husband pick up food and meds so she could have enough time to kill them and herself. I think she had to have some time within that hour of killing them that she knew what she was doing and could have stopped. I've been so damn depressed that I've thought of killing myself so many times but Never have I thought of hurting my child or anyone for that matter. Sick or not she knew what she was going to do after he left the house.
Women in the u s are doubly at risk for postpartum depression. We have very little support during pregnancy. After pregnancy and with the children from the government or our families. Back in the old days Women took care of each other and of each other's children. Now we are all isolated
@@mysticmandy1248A lot is expected from us and there isn't a support system in place for women who have children in general. In the US. If you get pregnant,you risk not getting promoted,viewed differently, isolation and more...while all still handling the other aspects of your life.
And, depending where in the US you live, you’re subject to forced pregnancies. This is not a political statement either, it’s a statement of fact. “Your fault you got knocked up, now give birth and deal with it”. Good old freedom!
@@JME1186pregnancy is already hard enough to go through but one where you're literally forced to give birth to something that you do not want growing in you? That's horror movie shit and a recipe for disaster.
You can thank the republican men that it’s likely the murderer in this case supported ( lots of republicans with $$ in MA) I’m sure she has family that supported the loss that was getting rid of abortion rights. Time to start getting used to this type of news, there’s going to be lots more of these stories to come. Thank you republicans.
I had pretty severe pp anxiety after my second was born. It was pure insanity-I started prepping for the end of the world, panic attacks, uncontrollable anger. I thought I just wasn’t coping well- until I started making faraday cages and buying gas masks. It’s not a fun place to be at all
@@brendaababey I had the rage too. It was easy for me-the hospital had a maternity psychologist who helped get me on Zoloft. After 2 days everything went away and I could breath finally. I can’t really describe how euphoric it felt to be myself again. Anyway, just call your doctor and tell them your symptoms and they’ll get you on track, don’t hesitate because it just gets worse (in my case anyway). I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this, but you can get better ❤️🩹
@@brendaababey Reach out and be Very Clear about what you're experiencing and what you need (Help) Doctors may brush you off sometimes so be ready to state that you are scared of your own anger and if they still refuse ask "OK doctor, Can you write down that your professional opinion is that my bouts of uncontrollable rage are not a danger to myself or my loved ones?" then either contact a "social worker" in the same medical facility or take that note to another doctor to repeat that you are scared and not being helped. Wishing you peace in your mind and home soon
I love the way you guys articulate these stories! I listen while I’m at work and how horribly sad and terrifying you do the victims so much justice speaking for them!
Post partum is REAL. I believe she needed more help and was failed… I had postpartum with my oldest son, it’s no joke… you could have the perfect life, yet still want to take your own. Sending my love and prayers to her family. Rest in peace to those beautiful little babies❤️👼🏻
Depends what you consider “failed”? Perhaps she had more than enough help & she “failed” her self & her children. She also calculated the entire killings down to the map to the restaurant & the stop at the pharmacy. She was killing her kid when she called her husband back 1 minute after he called her. She planned it out the entire day & stuck to it. She wasn’t having any breaks as many many people had contact with her, including the kids doctor she went too, the pharmacist, neighbors. She failed and wanted out & took her children with her, not ppd - premeditation 100%, not a snap as with psychosis.
Then why was she only "out of it" enough to successfully kill her kids yet failed only when it was HER turn to die? That tells you all you need to know about the extent of her supposed psychosis-staged. Theatrics. Unwell American mothers kill their kids every single day, with the VAST majority never being afforded the benefit of PR style forced narratives that seek to coddle their mEnTaL iLLneSs. I'd wager most killer mothers ARE unwell and full of mental illness and personality disorders. That is NOT enough. The scumbag in this story proved herself to have taken great effort in trying to seem more unstable than she is. If she were genuinely so unwell that she had no grasp of right and wrong (insanity defense ) there would be no evidence of her having bothered to sneakily get her husband out of the house-especially not in the calculated manner she did it in, as seen in their text exchange. She would have just acted right then and there no matter who or what is around her. Also, she would have succeeded in dying. Killing oneself is the easy part as you aren't fighting to surpass snuff out the fight or flight response in whole-ass other human beings who don't want to die, and right tooth and nail to prevent it. She supposedly wanted to die, yes? She wouldn't have to fight anyone to kill herself but the the one she just didn't get right. Hmmmm. Maybe it's evxauee the whole thing is BULLSHIT? She just doesn't deserve any of the support she's somehow getting from much of the public. The fact that she has any at all is such hypocritical nonsense.
@@dudemorris7769Yep. All these nut jobs commenting on here leaving out that she planned the entire murders in advance. That isn't ppd. Perhaps she pushed for that diagnosis so hard because she wanted to kill them and needed the insanity excuse.
It's so hard to get help as a new mother. I had twins but sadly they were very premature and only one baby survived. I spent months with the surviving baby in the NICU. She came home 2 months later. I wasn't sleeping, I was emotionally all over the place, I was anxious and worried about my daughter's health, despite her progressing well and being healthy. At about 9 months post patrum I was really losing the ship and starting to have intrusive thoughts about how I had failed my babies because the pregnancy had gone awary, even though I couldn't have prevented it. I started to worry I would fail my surviving daughter, that she would probably be better off without me. I told my ex "I think I need to get some help, like go talk to somebody or get therapy" He was annoyed, told me therapy doesn't work, that it's a scam for weak people who can't handle their shit and just get over it. The same man who I had made promise me that he would watch me for odd behaviour or detoriorating mental health when I was pregnant because I was scared that I might not notice if I was sick enough.
Benzo withdrawal can be truly horrible. Whatever you were taking them to repress, comes out like a monster when you’re in withdrawal. Most doctors are very hesitant to prescribe them. Valium is quite strong, and is usually only prescribed as a last resort, shy of heavy duty psych meds. My mom was addicted to them. She’d take 5 no.10’s at a time! If you know anything about these drugs, you’ll know how out of control that is. Her withdrawals were a terrible thing to be on the wrong end of. I think expecting too much of yourself as a mother causes some of these anxiety issues. Sometimes you just have to accept that you can’t be perfect. What’s sad here, is unlike many women going thru this, she was willing to accept help. Many women refuse to face needing help. It’s awfully sad. Sometimes the best thing for an overwhelmed mother, is having someone take over caring for the children for a time. Every mother needs a break sometimes. It’s just a simple thing, but can be the difference between, literally, life and death.
No, there is no logical thinking. You are basically not in control of yourself anymore, and completely different. It's like you are hidden somewhere amongst all the madness. Without the right help and medication, it can get worse and worse.
The American mental healthcare system failed this woman and her family by failing to meet her needs at every turn. Women often struggle to get what they need out of the healthcare system, to the point I'm surprised they diagnosed her with anything at all instead of just dismissing her. She needed to have round the clock care. It's absurd how they refused to diagnose her with her actual problem, and instead, pumped her full of drugs that probably made things worse.
If she'd been cranky with them they'd have slapped BPD on her chart and called it good. I swear all the 'help' exists solely to blame the person seeking it for needing it. I've seen a mental hospital where they just keep people in prison clothes and give the ones on meds their pills until they say they're feeling better rather than have a doctor or clinician even talk to them about why they're there.
But they did just dismiss her, saying she had "generalized anxiety disorder" was probably why insurance was being so difficult, because thats a bullshit diagnosis from doctors that have no interest in actually helping you.
Unfortunately, the American mental health system is a joke. It's extremely hard to even find a good doctor and almost impossible to get prescribed the right medication mental health patients need. The doctors just want to prescribe a ton of antidepressants to every patient. Like every patients needs are the exact same. Doctors see someone for 10 minutes every month and then write them a prescription and then send the person on their way. Half of the medication the patients could do without. Very few mental health professionals actually grasp the severity of a patients situation, and most don't seem to care. Somethings got to change!
I have little doubt that I would have ended up taking my own life at least if it weren't for my husband being on the ball and realizing I needed help. I had post partem depression so hard after our 4th that I actually attempted to take my own life, and still my therapist said I was just being emotional. No doubt in my mind that without my husband I would be dead today, and I don't like to speculate what could have happened to my kids. And this was in 2018.
She should had longer term of treatment in a secure safe facility in patient. Heartfelt/ prayers 4 the hubby & family 4 the tragedy of his 3 young kids . Sad, 🫢🤔😮👎
There is a few things l don’t understand about this ! 1) kept having babies 2)Proof she planed it all day 3)I’m not buying the psychosis part of her PPD 4)convenient that she jumped out window as she knew dam well husband was only minutes away!. 4)you would think her memory if she was in psychosis would be scattered hard to remember what happened instead Linsey asked for a attorney right away. I’m with some of the other people’s comments Lindsey needs to do life in prison. The little angels are the true victims here may they rest in the arms of love .
I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this. I understand mental illness. I understand that she was struggling. But it’s so strange that she asked him to leave and then it happened.
Mental health conditions should NEVER be a legal defense for criminal activity. I myself suffer from PTSD and AN but that does not entitle me to act violently despite at times distorting my perceptions. Lindsey's defense is an attempt to escape responsibility plain and simple. God bless those babies.
This isnt just mental health. Its psychosis. Your experience with PTSD is nothing like psychosis. Not getting sent to prison for something she did when she wasnt in control of herself isnt escaping responsibility. She needs long term help and rehabilitation.
@@XxdeathbyleoxX I don't agree. Someone who has ended the lives of infants has no placs in society ever and ought not to be entitled to help of any kind. We differentiate ourselves from other animals by our ability to reason and our innate sense of good and evil. What Lindsey did was evil. There's no forgiveness for that. Plenty of schizophrenics suffer psychosis without acting violently. When someone says "I was sick so it's not my fault" they are spitting on their victims. If she had any decency left she would plead guilty and accept her punishment.
@@saradapagediocletian9707actually there IS forgiveness. God forgives. And if you found yourself or someone you loved in a similar situation I bet you'd have a different perspective. As someone who suffers with post pardom depression and anxiety and is doing everything in my power to help myself (seeing a Psychiatrist, Medication, working out, any and all therapy available) and it's still been the WORST depression of my life that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It's cruel to say someone is unforgivable because you don't understand and be so very thankful you don't understand.
@@JordanEndTimeServantOfYah144 lmao this is such a silly reply. Cruel is what Lindsey did to those babies. I'm a religious person so I agree God forgives. But He forgives the soul not the body. And the soul must atone through suffering of an equal or greater measure to those harmed by the body in question.
Its horrifying that you claim to be a religious person. You cant judge other people thru the lens of your reactions and feelings. You actually do sound pretty mentally ill with your black and white thinking. We atone through suffwring of our flesh as Jesus did that for us. You have peculiar thoughts.@saradapagediocletian9707
I’m a mom & from Massachusetts & I lost a newborn at 6 weeks old and I can’t imagine losing all 3 of my children in one day. I have a son Christopher. He’s turning 3 in exactly one month. I feel 0:02 for this grieving father… the whole family. It’s just so sad. So unbelievably heartbreaking. You did a BEAUTIFUL job with this piece. I am so glad I found your channel. Your work is SO important. I’m constantly inspired by your channel. Thank you for doing such a perfect job with this story. People need your truth. ❤
This one was a tear jerker 😭 thank you for all you do guys stay strong and thank you for giving these victims a voice rest in peace 🕊️ to those poor little angels 🙏
I appreciate that you guys cover so many stories from New England because I am from Connecticut. It also hits extra close to home when the story takes place in January because it disturbs me to think that while I'm celebrating my birthday, a child somewhere is suffering. What a tragic situation this was. I'm so sorry to everyone involved.
It's really scary how she could recognize what was going on with her and actively seek out help, yet ultimately still find herself committing to the worst possible case scenario.
yeah bcuz it got worse and worse until she was no longer the one in the driver seat of her mind. All those medication switches would heavily contribute to the psychosis. They should have kept her on a medication much longer. It can take many weeks for the medication to get regulated in your system, and get everything more balanced as it should be.
I was born at South Shore Hospital in Weymouth, as was my youngest. As a nurse who grew up in this area, this one hits close to home. This is so incredibly sad and senseless and, I believe, preventable.
Depression or not, mental health concerns or not, we have to have a judicial system that unswervingly holds people accountable for what they actually do. Trying to understand the motive should ALWAYS come behind that in importance. We can’t have legislation that excuses murder because a doctor diagnosed someone with anxiety or depression preceding the act.
Right . I’m sure most killers are mentally ill to some extent, why else would they kill someone ? Where do we draw the line ? This case gets me, I struggled with PPD and PPA as well as really bad pp related insomnia. I had terrible intrusive thoughts. But I didn’t act on them … at what point do people get held accountable for their actions? And when is it excusable? Never imo
You can’t even get out of a DUI with a major depression diagnosis. But they want to let people get away with ending their kids lives because they tag “postpartum” on the front of it.
This story is just heartbreaking. I have had depression all my life & was still surprised when I got postnatal depression& was hospitalised. I had somewhat severe suicidal ideation but my only concern was keeping my baby safe so my ‘plan’ was always to take her to my gp office if I was really struggling. My gp prescribed medication but always carefully. I am stunned at the amount meds this woman was given in such a short period of time, it’s inexplicable. If anyone thought she was so sick she needed all these meds why wasn’t she hospitalised while they sorted it out. I also agree with other posters, if a depressed person seems suddenly much better it usually means they’ve made plans for their end.
I didnt know what ppd was with my first 2 but my 3 was born premature and passed a few minutes after she was born. All i can say is suicidal thoughts r so scary!!! I had never experienced thoughts like that,they came out of nowhere and they were almost like orders not thoughts
Yeah definitely, I don’t understand all the leeway this ladies are giving her in the comments. It didn’t sound like she did it in a random fit of rage. It was clearly premeditated.
I completely agree. She also made for sure to make sure her children WOULD die…so why didn’t she wrap an exercise band around her own neck? I know PPD is real… I had it after all three of my children were born. She didn’t get the help she needed, however, she premeditated this.
@@RahShanProductionsMTUI'm saddened by that a good 99% of the comments mention the babies as an afterthought to paragraphs of sympathy for the mom. There needs to be emergency foster care for moms having these thoughts and mothers who do it need to be institutionalized for life.
Thank you! Reading through all these, I was starting to feel like the only one. There is to much evidence, (meticulously planning), for it to be an all of the sudden break. Her history of mental illness especially her writing it down, to me, just gave her the excuse. She made sure to map out the time for her husband to be gone and she strangled those poor babies. It took a lot of time to do that to each one of them. She also knew jumping out of the window wouldn't kill her. So I just feel there is to many things fighting against her excuse. For so many women sticking up for her, it makes me sick to my stomach. They aren't even mentioning the babies anymore. Just how bad they feel for her 🙄
As someone with severe anxiety, depression, bipolar and PTSD I can tell you that it takes time to find right combination. And it can take many trials. But it's best in my opinion to go slow and give the meds time. I finally got my medicine figured out but it took years. And I wouldn't give them up for the world now. I can go through a day without vomiting, blacking out, or having my face and legs go numb. It changed my life to find the right medication combination. You have to be honest with your Dr about what you feel and think could be going on.
Thanks for this I needed this reminder as my doctors and I are still struggling to find a proper combination this has been the absolute worst two years of my life and I’m trying fighting like hell to get myself and my life back I’m hoping this new combo works out I really appreciate you reminding me it will take time and will have errors but eventually there will be hope
Precisely. I love how people blanketly say " they just needed treatment " as if it isn't a long long process and assuming you don't need to go thru many people/tx teams to find the right fit,vand assuming it's financially feasible to sustain.
Obviously ikd if it is the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't having those feelings at the time she told him, and then they all came upon her at once. Those kinds of feelings can be sneaky.
We need better societal support for these mothers other than meds. Think about the difference in these numbers if all mothers had easy access to things like postpartum hotels, night nurses, postpartum dulas and so forth?
Agreed. I feel like meds is just part of the solution. There's far more factors that go into being able to properly address all the different symptoms going on and learning long-term solutions in order to be better equipped for any future episodes. Unfortunately, the states is and has always been huge on throwing pills at people for many issues that require much more than a freaking 30-day script!
Ikr. That's a wonderful idea and with all the social media platforms we could help eachother. We should make new money pages in our cities. I am doing that today. Everyone plz do it
People have such outlandish and unrealistic solutions to real world problems. Good luck getting that funded, and I doubt anyone will take advantage of resources like that. 👍🏻
When you mentioned the father's last interaction with his son, already knowing how this story ends, my heart broke for that man in that moment. Tears just started streaming down my face. His whole life gone after one short trip from his home. Returning to a nightmare to live in a Hell on earth for the rest of his life. Like how does one recover from something like this? Truly. Like I get it, you have to keep living, but it would take someone far stronger than me to keep moving forward. Not kidding. I've already told my mother that if all 3 of my children died somehow, that I would do as much dope as I could until it killed me. I'm a recovering addict and I'm only clean because I have something far more important to worry about. Them. Without them, sobriety nor my life would mean anything anymore.
I've never taken drugs or drank alcohol, but I wouldn't be able to live with such grief either. I'm not a young woman, but I had a boyfriend that died when I was 20 years old, we had 'dated' since I was 14. I BARELY survived that.😞
@@danni1993 Oh goodness, I'm sorry for your loss. That would be awful. I lost my sister to cancer a few years ago and that one was tough but something about knowing it was coming really helped. We got to say goodbye.
@@danni1993 Thank you, yes she unlikely felt much of anything with as much as she was on. Unfortunately though, she did have to be intubated at the end and kept alive with oxygen. The goodbye was difficult as it was only spoken by me. I wanted to climb up in her lap and curl up with her but I couldn't. We just cried while I promised I'd see her later. So I pray that I do well enough to pass His test like she did.
This case is heartbreaking. Lindsay was absolutely failed (as many mothers in America are) by insurance and institutions and doctors that didn’t want to take the time to care. I am so very sorry for her and her poor husband, and the children who must have been so confused and betrayed in their final moments. This was preventable, and she tried her hardest to prevent it. There are no words for this degree of tragedy
20:25 Great idea, instead of legislating to prevent these kinds of things from happening, legislate it so people who kill their kids are held to a lesser standard. What could go wrong?
It never ceases to amaze me that the quick answer is to throw them in jail. For what? Oh ,okay yeah they're guilty of having a mental illness. No, jail won't help anyone in that circumstance. Treatment works much better. So does kindness and understanding, for those of you that say she should be thrown in jail
@@janetmoquin7828 the criticism isn't about weather or not to send people to jail, it's about reactivity being prioritized over proactivity. That treatment option as an alternative shouldn't be an alternative to jail, it should be the alternative to having dead children. They're providing a prevention solution to a problem which has already occurred. It's too little, too late
I think it’s always been fairly common. My mother had post partum depression with me, so much so that she had to stay in a hospital for awhile when I was an infant. Her biggest problem though was refusing to sleep because she was terrified something would happen to me when she was sleeping and it drove her kind of crazy…
I wouldn't say that continuing to just drug a patient up when the methods aren't working isn't really treatment. Like yeah, they gave her medicine, but it didn't help the actual issue.
This is horrible!! I had postpartum depression for 3 years after my son was born. It was so bad that it was hard for me to bond with my newborn. This has caused me to have such regret as my child grew that I never had another kid. My heart goes out to all suffering from postpartum depression and/or psychosis, and prayers to this poor family.
This, I got my tubes ties when mine turned 1. I was scared to death to have another. My midwife was no help, low income that's what I got. No Dr unless I had issues during pregnancy. I brought up my anxiety and she shut me down, they don't deal with anxiety is what I was told. On top of him being a premee and I couldn't produce milk, he couldn't latch. I couldn't sleep for months for fear of him dying in his sleep. I never did get help, he is 7 now. I have regrets, he wants a sibling, I feel like I missed out, even tho I'm a Stay at home mom. I wasted the baby months worrying instead of enjoying my new baby.
I had PPD and PPP, so i decided to had a bisalp, best decision ever!! For me 1 child is enough, my mental health is a million times more important than any brother I could give my daughter.
There is no excuse. She is more knowledgeable than mothers outside the medical field about what to expect and what to do or not to do with medications and with treatments. She had plenty of help and support. She could have left the household and stayed with another family member or hurt herself and left the kids out of it. She planned in advance when she sent her husband out for food. It became 100 percent her personal choice at that time and the only voice she heard was her own.
Everyone in the comments just okay with this? Because a medical term becomes a fad doesn't make it ok just like now with gender it seems. I am shocked with these comments.
@@alleykat1750me too!! What has the world come to when a mother violently kills her 3 babies, after methodically sending the husband away (premeditation), and people feel sorry for her? She woke up and immediately asked for an attorney. I mean it’s sad, but are we forgetting what she did? Should she not be punished?
I think this is kind of an outdated reasoning made by people who don't understand psychosis. As if someone in psychosis can't make or follow a plan. It's not like you are on an acid trip and don't know what's going on, it's just that you won't be in your right mind or make the same decisions you would normally. Just as an example of something I experienced personally, I was able to research and plan a suicide attempt while still hearing stuff that wasn't there (and other psychotic symptoms). I still knew I had to keep it a secret because people would try to stop me. The idea that psychosis suddenly makes you unaware of laws or how other people will react to your actions is silly.
@@shroomykyou’re right. Mental illness, psychosis, and mental disorders are not completely rational and completely misunderstood by most people. I’m a mom with identical twins who are both autistic, to varying degrees. One is “more autistic,” for lack of a better term. One of my pet peeves are people saying they are capable of certain things because they are capable of doing other “neurotypical” tasks and behaviors. My boys excel in certain situations, but they are vastly deficient in other areas. Even between the two, they have strengths/weaknesses in some areas, that vary between them. And they are identical twins, raised in the same environment. We need to stop thinking of mental illness as a logical, one size fits all, sorta thing. Yes, there are generalities and common similarities, but we still need to look at individuals as individuals. She was mentally ill, obviously.
Id really love to start new mom support groups. A place to speak freely and confide with eachother about feeling down or crazy or lonely. I have 5 kids and with each baby id lose a few friends because we either had different priorities or no time for eachother. Thos3 connections and support are so important the first few years of motherhood.
I asked about postpartum depression while I was still pregnant. I had given my worries and symptoms to the psychologist and she responded with "Well you have a basketball under your uniform. Of course you feel like that." (I was in the military. This was a military psychologist. )
What a shocking tragedy. Post-partum depression and mental illness is shocking. I'm so sorry for this family and kids. She clearly needed more help than she received :(
I had some weird psychological symptoms after my baby was born. I had intrusive thoughts about throwing my baby down a storm drain, which was terrifying to me because I loved my baby so much. It also made me feel guilty that I had that thought. I heard voices in the breast pump. The machine noises sounded like it kept repeating “worry about me”. I became obsessed with “prepping” and social breakdown. I had an obsessive need to write poetry. It would wake me up at night. I went on meds for years, maybe 4. My creativity left when I started the meds. I could no longer write. And I still can’t… much, even though I’ve been off meds for 6 years. We are all souls. Our body becomes a portal for the spiritual realm when we are pregnant. Both good and evil have access to us. My advice, before, during, and after pregnancy have a strong relationship with God and goodness. Be aware of the demonic because the devil will play games with your head if you don’t stay steadfast.
It's sad that she tried so hard to get help but nothing helped. I feel so sorry for her. I had post partum depression after my third child was born. We had suffered many miscarriages so when we finally had him I suffered with fear that someone would take him or something bad would happen to him. I wouldn't even let the nurses or doctors take him out of my sight while I was in the hospital after giving birth to him. I never had dark thoughts of hurting him or myself but I was overwhelmed with fear that I would lose him. I can't imagine how much she struggled. I think the key to helping women is to treat them on an individual basis instead of a generalized treatment. Not all post partum depression is the same.
This is so heartbreaking. What would justice even look like in this case? I have 6 children and had post partum anxiety after kid #5. You don’t realize how crippling and devastating it is or how it has an unexplainable control over you. I never fully understood it until I went through it.
My mum got post partum depression. She says she’s thankful she never had any I’ll feelings directed towards her kids. But she had a lot of rage and impulsive thoughts and general gloomy shadow feeling. It’s been 17 since she last gave birth and she still takes antidepressants. If she stops taking her meds then the same depression created by her pregnancies comes back because she’s medication dependant. She knew of someone around her age (50 now) when she was younger who developed post partum psychosis and had to be hospitalised for a few months, without contact with her baby because it was too big of a risk. Post partum disorders have been around for forever and have been known of for quite a while, they are not a new thing at all. and America is lagging behind many other countries in how they help and treat post partum in the medical and legal side of things. For example, the infanticide act.
I’ve heard a lot that having a suddenly great day after a long time of depression, it is a _possible_ sign that they are going to end things soon. They’re happy because they are relieved it will all be over soon. Obviously this isn’t true for everyone, but I do think it is something to look out for.
Those perfect little kids' lives would have been a dream, they would have had a loving job, sweet kids, and other great things. But NO, all of that was stolen way too early from that satanic mom that deserves to rot in hell. May their precious little lively angels rest peacefully.
This case, in my personal opinion, is one of the worst thus far. I have been watching your channel since earlier this year, trying to catch up as best as I can, and to hear this story is gut-wrenching and you two have covered some truly evil cases. The mother not in her right mind (to be put lightly, but not disrespectfully) and a grieving father so broken he is barely existing because of the loss of his babies is so horrible I don't believe that there is a single word that can describe this case. RIP little angels in the arms of the Almighty. Gone too soon :(
This sort of thing is terrifying to me as someone with mental health issues who wants to have kids. I hope whoever I end up not only helps watch over me, but more importantly my future children. He never should have left them alone.
I CAN'T BELIEVE that she was "out of her head" when she took the time to figure out how long it would take her husband to go get food and go to the pharmacy and come back! That takes a some brain work... Sushi was on anxiety medication and antidepressant, so is half of the world... Does this give a person excuse to take another one's life?
psychosis isn’t like an acid trip where you don’t know what’s going on. people plan for several days to kill themselves due to psychosis. people hide their plans because they know people will think it’s wrong and will try to stop them. the idea that someone experiencing psychosis just suddenly forgets how the world works is a really misinformed take.
I think the planning began before that day. A lot of the run up seemed like she way laying some groundwork until she worked out a plan to create an opportunity when she covered other grounds.
I got engulfed by this case when it first broke. I joined Reddit groups, stalked the family on Facebook, I wanted to know everything everything everything. It’s sort of an anomaly in the area of filicide because of their background and Lindsay’s character. All the details about the case are unusual, confusing and morbidly fascinating - right down to the weapon she used. Patrick’s words absolutely break my soul every time I hear them, his pain is so powerfully severe. You all did a really great job of condensing all of the crucial facts, and presenting all the important evidence here.
This is one of the most heartbreaking stories I’ve ever heard! It hits me particularly hard as we are both (or were both) RN’s. I understand the usually high level of empathy one must have to be effective in this role. It seems like she did “everything right” in her attempt to seek out help but was repeatedly failed by organizational bureaucrats and the system as a whole. If someone who spent many years working as a healthcare professional was unable to overcome the numerous barriers to successfully navigate postpartum psychosis, what hope is there for everyone else?
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I think it's strange she looked up Take Out Three and then the V means 4. Maybe that was some kind of trigger. I know it was for food but the coincidence is bizarre. Benzodiazapines are bad news.
You mean Lindsay tried to un-alive herself?
@@Sukiii01 Yes, but with OCD I use my imagination to rearrange reality to my own convenience.
@@moondancer4660 Of course they do, but I suspect that that phrase is now too commonly used and no longer accepted by YT.
It is such a hypocritical policy, but it is the one they must deal with.
Have a great day!
If anyone you know has depression seems to have randomly made a complete recovery one day, they haven't.
it's not depresion it's called not being an NPC depression doesn't exist unless you're under 20
I've had deposits since I was 12. I'm now gonna be 40 in a few months. I had ppd with my now 16 year old real bad. But I never felt that I wanted to hurt him or my other kids. Idk I was crazy as he'll but I just kept thinking I was gonna die and my kids wouldn't have a mother
@@ericcotter1984you're an idiot if you think that, depression affects millions, every fucking day, most people wish it wasn't a real thing, but unfortunately, we all live in a world where it's very, very real
@@ericcotter1984wait, what? Can you explain what you’re saying?
@@ericcotter1984so you are saying only people under 20 can be depressed? where did you get this view from?
During our mental health rotations, we learned that a sudden improvement in being "better" is actually a warning sign in people with suicidal ideation. We were told to watch these people very closely because it can mean that they have formulated and decided on a plan to end their life.
I was thinking that when she was building a snowman with her kids. This was a last happy memory in my opinion.
I didn't even think of that. Wow..
That's very common with ppl who commit suicide. My grandmother is a retired psychiatrist and told us stories like that. It's very sad.
3 suicides in my life and all 3 were happier and denied having suicidal ideation the day before dying.
@@babble2leezasorry for your losses, and I’ve also seen that with my life.
NEVER leave children with anyone having “dark thoughts” about them.
Right! Why did her husband leave them with her? They should have been taken out of their care until the 'mother' was well.
Agreed.
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Because he was never told by a doctor that it would be an issue nor was his wife 💯% honest about how she was feeling regretful towards her older children either! She was perfectly fine that day & evening too!
@@coffeecrimegal5968You're right about the dad not knowing, or being told. I disagree with her being fine that day. She may have seemed that way, but she clearly wasn't. People really need to quit blaming the dad. It infuriates me like it does you. I say that about her because I believe she had made peace with the decision to end their lives and hers, so she came off as being fine.
@@BronzeDragon133 bro you're fighting ghosts, no one's blaming the dad XD yall fighting your own imagination
I gave birth to my 4th child in 2007. Between 2008 and 2019 I was hospitalized 8 times for suicide attempts. It took until 2022 to come through the fog. I, thankfully, never harmed my children but it was a decade + of medication, therapy, and HELL. It was something I absolutely did not experience with my first 3 children and it took me so much by surprise. My heart goes out to this family!!
Wow that's a hell of a fight you put up. You go mama. I'm so glad you made it though. Congratulations and much love
Thank you for sharing that. Thank God you came through that ❤
Thank you for sharing ❣️
My daughter was colic, but I had to figure out I was eating wrong for my breast milk. I breast fed for over two (2) years. I thought colic was bad. Than we hear from you how bad it was. Our minds can not be very kind to us sometimes. Thanks again❣️ I am glad you are doing better❣️
@@JamesggzYour so cruel! Like they even have a clue, proud owner of one. But that's not cool!
Happy to hear that you recovered from that devastating time in your life. Blessings to you. 🙏
I had postpartum euphoria. I have suffered from depression all of my life and we were watching for signs of postpartum depression, but for the first two to three months I was showing no signs of depression whatsoever. Everything was just great. It was too great. I was too happy and too high. It came crashing down around the third month. I sunk into a very very deep depression. My doctor called it postpartum euphoria. She said that it's not very common, but when it does happen it usually happens to people who have a history of severe depression.
I have severe depression that started over 20 years ago. It’s been so long since I’ve felt “happiness” that I don’t remember it. At all. It’s probably not good that I would welcome that euphoria, just to feel something- *anything* remotely positive.
i imagine that would be so scary but so wonderful. im glad youre here today
I experienced this as well with my first child
That's part of the reason I'm afraid to have kids because I suffer from depression too and I'm worried it's going to get worse
I never knew this was a thing. I suffer from depression all my life. When I gave birth to my second child, I couldn't sleep because of excitement. I was so happy that I couldn't explain. I was able to feel more normal after couple of months.
Postpartum psychosis & depression are big factors that put me off becoming a parent. My grandfather’s very devout first wife ended her own life due to it in the 50’s. Louis Theroux did did a documentary on it.
My partner is scared of when we have kids because he severely fears the postpartum, and I already have normal depression to begin with.
There was a story they did where the mom heard voices and killed her baby… but she was poor and possibly on drugs so no one had any empathy towards that mom. It’s just interesting how classism comes into play.
There are so many easily reachable resources now days. There's help available. If this is a fear you already have, you can make plans for support and resources, in case you do need them. Postpartum depression is awful. It really is. But there are ways to reduce the impact of that difficult time.
@@TheQueenOfSheba oh definitely, effects all walks of life. Only mentioned the fact they were devout to highlight how women with the strongest convictions can be decimated by postpartum illnesses. Pregnancy is no joke , the hormonal storm during & after should be treated as a physical complication more than a mental insufficiency.
@@TheQueenOfShebaI have little to no empathy for anyone who harms a child. But as someone who spent most of my life in extreme poverty and also as a recovering addict, I see those factors as non excuses. Because there are resources available, even to the poorest of the poor. They're there even for us. You just have to have a the will to take personal responsibility and seek out those resources. This country does still have a long way to go in mental health care, especially for the poor or uninsured but help is out there if you want to find it.
i can guarantee that the rapid changes in her medications are a very strong contributing factor in what happened. i was shuffled around on a few different meds in january 2023 & the strain of having so many chemical changes at once sent me into psychosis as well. i thankfully didn’t hurt anyone but i was hospitalized to be safe. coupled with PPD, the ever-changing medications could create severe psychosis to the point of killing her kids even if she didn’t want to. this is the first time i’ve really felt for the perpetrator in one of your videos, but there’s mountains of evidence that she was open with her struggles & actively seeking help before this darkness consumed her. i hope she is getting the help she deserves.
A lot of nurses pull strings to abuse medication...
I agree. Anti-psychotic medications are no joke, and they seem to have very different side effects with different people. They are certainly not something that should be combined with other medications or even vitamins without thorough consideration and review.
My sister has had a lot of med changes and yes. Oh my god yes. I can tell when she switches meds. I wish she wasn’t on them because I hate being around her the past year. She wasn’t always like this but I have my own struggles and she brings out the worse nowadays.
agreed, i have always heard of the 6 week rule. i’ve been on SSRIs for years and not taking my meds for just one day causes noticeable differences. there’s also the possibility of an immediate emotional high at the beginning of taking a medication until it mellows out and people tend to think it’s not working any more. changing so rapidly like that is dangerous. it really feels like they were just throwing meds at her rather than determining which would be best for her.
@@ninjagirl226 she probably wishes she wasn't on them too.
The worst part is that it didn't have to happen. She was trying to get help and insurance was making it difficult. I feel awful for all involved.
Her waking up and asking if she needs an attorney shows me otherwise. She’s a monster.
@@TheQueenOfShebapostpartum psychosis doesn’t mean that you don’t remember what you’ve done at least partially. It could have felt like a nightmare or a vivid delusion to her, it sounds like she was asking what happened, in the only way she could imagine asking. Keep in mind when she woke up she wasn’t being treated yet, so she was still fully unwell mentally. You don’t just wake up and go back to being completely normal
@@TheQueenOfShebashe put way too much planning into creating the opportunity to murder her children. She's a murderer. Period.
Yeah that’s messed up when it comes to these issues they need to make it easy for ppd moms to get the help.
@@TheQueenOfShebashe knew the kids were dead and they wouldn't let her die. She woke up in a broken body. Duh she's going to ask for an attorney. What else is there to say?
Its deeply upsetting how she really tried to get help and it ended the way it did. Utterly ridiculous.. I feel so bad for everyone.
It seems she did try, for a while to get help. But she could have done things differently in that moment. She made a choice. Several of them actually.
@@JenAmazed42yeah I have to agree. I'm curious as to why people are saying that it was the doctor's fault in part at least..... It seems like they were trying to help her. Or am I missing something here?
@@kristab321doctors can only do so much. The only ones to blame are insurance and the mom.
The mom (or the dad)should’ve separated herself from the kids until she felt better.
This is a sad story. But too many people are focused on “the poor mom” and not enough are focused on the fact that the mom murdered her kids. She isn’t evil. But she did a horrendous thing
Lol, I’m sorry her excuses worked for you
@@kristab321 I don't think you're missing anything. The only thing I am comfortable questioning as far as doctors are concerned is why switching meds so quickly before even really giving them a chance to get built up to optimal levels in her system. That part I don't understand but I still don't think that makes them accountable for what I see as her premeditated well planned choices.
My grandson drowned two years ago. I can still hear my sons scream in my soul. My whole body responded when you talked about Patrick finding his children💔💔😪😪😪
I truly hope he is able to find a way to survive this❤❤
So very sorry for your/your family's loss !
I'm sorry for your loss and to your son and his family
That shit sticks with you when it's a stranger. I'm so sorry.
I’m so sorry for all of your loss and suffering
My condolences 💐
I think postpartum issues need to be discussed more, and mental health during pregnancy needs to be taken seriously. I was seriously neglected during pregnancy by my doctor and I now have health conditions I need surgery for, and mental health issues from the trauma of it all. A lot of the stuff I experienced, I wasn’t prepared for, even after taking classes in school and during pregnancy. I still can’t afford proper help because of insurance. It’s disheartening. Everyone loves you when you’re pregnant but disappear when you have the baby
Yup, it's just u and ur baby behind closed doors after the baby shower, and after u give birth
♥️ I wish you all the best and hope things will go better. I hate the US Healthcare system and I am grateful to live in a country where we have a form of universal healthcare, which means that we NEVER have to skip getting medical help for financial reasons!!
IT IS PAID FOR!!
(We all pay about $85-90 per month and that gets 99% covered, from emergency services, ambulances to surgeries and hospital stays, including mental health help and so on!!)
Is it a 100% perfect system? Of course not. But it is getting close!!
Take care and know that you’re welcome in the Netherlands 😉
Even just acknowledging that paid maternal leave should exist is something the US govt seems allergic to unfortunately, much less helping people with ppd
Because it’s becoming more and more common for pregnant women to tell people they want to be left alone to bond with the baby after birth. They might have good intentions at the time, but then wonder where everyone is when they really need the support. It’s confusing for friends and family and they don’t know where they stand in relation to visiting / checking in after the baby is born.
@@KJxxoo There’s nothing wrong with wanting a little time alone with the child you carried in your stomach for 9months? Especially after a traumatic labor. Friends and family don’t need to be involved immediately. Were they in the womb with the child? No. But they knew the mother before she even became pregnant. Maybe people should support their loved ones even if they want some time alone. Not everyone handles boundaries properly, and guess what? Their mother has the right to refuse that person seeing the child. Which is the reason most “pregnant women are choosing To do it alone”, bc no support is better than someone there just making more problems.
Oh Lord postpartum is no joke! I got it so bad it first manifested with tears and sadness right into psychosis. The thoughts I had scared me so much I called my mom and went IMMEDIATELY to the ER and told them I was having bad thoughts and was admitted in the psych ward. THE BEST DECISION I ever made! The scary part was how sudden the mood switched from just sadness to immediate ANGER AND FRUSTRATION cause he wouldn’t stop crying! My heart goes out to all❤
GOOD FOR YOU!!! Thank you for sharing your PP story!!! Yours is truly inspiring and vital for us moms to hear🩷🙏
sending love to you momma 💗 I'm glad you realized something was wrong and went and got yourself the help you needed!!!
Good to hear the decision was made to admit you. Glad you are well now and everyone safe. If my spouse told me they had dark thoughts about the kids, the last thing I would do is nothing.
New mothers need help with babies, the new moms my not have a mom to help, or other female family members. It would be so helpful if neighbors, or friends would come to take care of the babies while the mother gets some rest, or to do laundry. Bring a new family some food, a casserole, sandwiches, anything to lighten the load. I understand that it won't stop depression, but it might help it from exploding into something worse. In the old days we called it the baby blues, but women didnt work outside the house a lot then, so there were more women around to at least visit. We didnt count on men, they had only one job to do outside of the house and wouldn't do "womans work" at all. 😊
I suffered from postpartum psychosis with my 2nd child I kept seeing people breaking into my house but I knew that they weren't there it was terrifying completely terrifying
This is almost more depressing than the cases where it's clear that the situation is doomed. She tried so hard to get help. Post partum depression is no joke
I've listened to dozens of stories where a parent harms their child but this is the only one so far I'm 100% feeling sad for. Truly a horrible situation for everyone, and from what I can hear her husband still loves her, and doesn't blame her.
This story is utterly heartbreaking for everyone involved.
May the children rest in peace. May the husband find strength and support from family and friends. And may the mother finally get the help that she so desperately sought after.
May the "mother" rot in hell.
May the mother face deep and heavy consequences for murdering 2 kids. Her own at that.
You clearly don't understand psychosis. @@remigal899
This story is just so tragic for everyone involved. I especially feel for the husband, I cannot even imagine. Such absolutely beautiful babies. Unfortunately I think this probably could have been prevented if people did a better job/better understood mental illnesses, mental health and postpartum disorders. Great job on telling this story. You guys do a wonderful job covering really hard and dark topics.
Sadly, sometimes mental illness is too severe to be treated before harm comes either to the sufferer or others. I just hope research into postpartum helps us further prevent such tragedies.
A huge problem for new moms is the second you try to reach out, they start calling CPS and trying to take your kids, and it will get used against you if you ever end up in a custody battle.
exactly, this is why so many moms don't get help.
That's why I don't seek help with my issues. Too scared they take my kids away to be abused in the system
Please be careful when youre in a bad place emotionally. They have used it against people. Not to scare anyone but you should know the possibilities.
If you confess to feeling like you don't want to be here anymore, make sure you clarify that it's how you feel, not what you're thinking of doing. Just that you feel that bad.
If you have to go to a shelter be extra aware of your children. I have heard stories that bad people get jobs at these places just because they know your focus is off the kids and the kids are stressed and vulnerable and most likely won't tell their parents that something happened to them. They might not even have the knowledge to explain it. Make sure that they do. Let them know that they have every right to say no to an adult if it doesn't feel right. These creeps pick on the most vulnerable. Just so you know. 🌠
IF the children were taken away by CPS when calling out for help at least they would still be alive!
@@ange5981Fr they needed to be taken by CPS. If I was the dad I would have taken the children to a parent or aunt or uncle, and had them stay until she was better.
Rip poor kids they had their entire lives ahead of them 🕊️💐
Fr and I blame the stupid health insurance in America. My dad also passed away due to the insurance not accepting his help from colon cancer. When he passed away, his Medicare came in the mail 3 days later. If he got it in time, he could've gotten the medicine he needed to prevent infection ...
@@Nyax50Lopez i am so so sorry for your loss. what a slap in the face to recieve that in the mail so shortly afterwards.
@@c.i0503 it was and my dad's brother got fucking pissed off as well that he had to call the insurance in a very angry voice and say "he passed away because of you! Stop sending in the insurance card!"
So did their mother.
Yep.Selfish mummy took it away.
I'm a social worker who works with people who experience psychosis, and have experienced it personally as well. To say the husband is a hero for being able to forgive and support his wife through this is an understatement. People really don't understand how utterly out of control psychosis is, it's practically an out of body experience where some insane thing is controlling your actions while you take a backseat.
I’m sorry but how can one be so “out of it/absolutely in the throes of psychosis…..yet so obviously premeditate their 3 babies murders, so much so that they actually timed out the husbands drive to and from
The restaraint, and the stop at the pharmacy for fucking miralax 🙄….No I’m sorry. Allllll of these comments are mostly whack. Wtf is everyone not seeing here--
C*** made sure she lived tho. lol
As someone who has dealt with psychosis due to switching psychiatric meds too many times in a short period, yes! It is TERRIFYING. and the hospital treated me like utter shit when my ex brought me in.
A hero? Unfuckingbelievable.
I relate to her. I had postpartum depression after the birth of my daughter. I had severe depression, I couldn’t bond with my daughter. It got so bad that I went for a walk to a bridge n had plans to end our lives that day. My mom called n because of that call I’m here today. I broke down in tears n my mom came n picked us up she took me to the hospital. I stayed in the mental health ward for 3 months. I had medication adjusted. Wasn’t till i was past the 1 year mark was when I started to get those mother instinct hormones back. It absolutely kills me inside to think what I had planned. Postpartum is very real and needs more awareness and it’s sad she didn’t get more help.
Maybe she should have been hospitalized and closely watched and medicated- I think see was over medicated, the doctors lost control of the meds, they lost control of the situation.
I think it's fair to say it went beyond depression.
I hope the Bill receives the support it needs …
PPD is difficult to garner support for as many believe it’s “not real” 🤨
And I hope it's retroactive to include Lindsey. She must be living a devastating life of misery and hell!! My heart goes out to Lindsey and Patrick.
RIP to 3 beautiful angels 💜💙💚
@@Jaya-zn7vr yes … me, too 💔
@@Jaya-zn7vr I hope it includes her and many other wo.en who sit in a jail cell not receiving any help at all
Also men !
@@WindyCity-m2o also men what ??? …
I don’t think there’s anything sadder than postpartum depression/psychosis killings. They’re usually good people and good mothers and who are trying to get help. I can’t imagine how scary it is to feel that way and have those thoughts. I hope she’s able to get help and is found rightfully not guilty.
They really need to educate parents more on postpartum mental illnesses. When I had my daughter I had postpartum anxiety/ocd and I didn’t know it. I never wanted to harm my baby, on the contrary, I thought everything would harm her. I would check the doors and windows over and over, all the sharp things needed to be put away otherwise someone would stab the baby, I had to hold her so she wouldn’t die of SIDS, and then I had to not hold her or I would drop her, etc. Finally I broke and had a breakdown and told my husband I was overwhelmed “keeping the baby safe”. He was confused and told me to go to my doctor asap. I got medication and the help I needed.
Before that I didn’t know anything but postpartum depression existed. I was a 30 year old grown woman who had plenty of experience taking care of kids and I knew nothing of all the postpartum illnesses.
Thank you for talking about this, it probably helps more than you think. It’s night and day how people reacted when Andrea Yates did what she did and now with Lindsey.
@missspell4897 SAME thing happened to me! I had to stay awake 27/4 because I thought if she was in her bassinet she would suffocate and die and I thought no one could care for her as well as I could and eventually the lack of sleep led to a mental breakdown and then severe depression and I finally started letting my partner take care of her and I trusted him just because I couldn't stay awake any longer but yeah it's terrifying especially when you know when you aren't used to those thoughts you're like what is wrong with me?! Hope you're better now! I finally am and my daughter will be 3 soon!
I suffered from PPD after my first and last born. It's scary and I believe I'm still dealing with it. This story is awful and I feel bad for everyone involved. Sad case for sure.
I'm praying for you. I cant even imagine
Praying for you also. 🙏🏼❤🙏🏼💔🙏🏼
You are still here with us- so you my dear, have the strength of a warrior! I'm so sorry you experienced this dreadful condition but I'm thankful you were able to get help and fight your way back. I understand the battle isnt over and you continue to fight daily at times. This further confirms what an amazing soul you are. Mental health battles are long, fraught with difficulties and set backs and worst of all, cant physically be seen and so are all too often minamised or dismissed.
The simple truth is, it's a horrible illness that hits without warning and destroys lives as effectively as a heart attack. Any woman who is struck down with this condition and finds the strength to fight back to recovery is nothing short of a rockstar warrior! Any woman who is struck down with it and can't fight back even one second longer, is a victim. Not a monster.
This is a heart breaking story, there are no ' winners'. There is only tragedy
I'm so thankful your story has a far better outcome. I'm thankful you were able to get help and support . And I'm thankful you continue to fight the toughest battle imaginable. You are indeed a superstar!
Ps- I only wish this story had a similar outcome. And furthermore, that people understood the horror that is this illness. Like I said, there are no ' winners' in this story. There are no possible ' good outcomes '. Only heart break and loss.
sending love to you. you can actually have postpartum up to 3 years after having your child...I did not start feeling like myself until after my son turned 1.
Knowing I get to see the kitties at the end of these videos is one of the only ways I can get through them. I know it's small, but thank you for that little touch of cuteness.
I am 5 months pregnant, and have struggled with mental illness my entire life. While this is my second pregnancy, I am struggling far more than I did with bub #1. I told my therapist, this is my greatest fear. I was on 5 medications pre-pregnancy, and can only take one now that I'm pregnant. It's honestly terrifying to think of being so out of control that I'd hurt my children. It's just unspeakable. This poor woman, these poor babies, and this poor father. No one wins. There is no justic.
you are in my thoughts, friend.
You are doing everything right at this time. Trust your instincts. If you feel yourself slipping, call someone. People will want to help. We all do.
Look at the research from Dr William Walsh. You can find it in youtube... it helped my son immensely. Coming off meds is tough and doing it when your pregnant and have another child to care for takes a lot of strength. Prayers for you.
@stephi1311 how are you doing now?
I have had issues with depression all of my life. When I had my son, I experienced the exact opposite. For the first time in my life, I felt "right" . THAT was a huge relief! Wish it had lasted forever! I hope that you and your baby are doing well.
Thank you for covering this tragic case with such kindness & compassion.
We need to stop saying post partum is only an issue for poor mothers. It happens more often than you think and its a slow progression. I had it during the first 2 months after birth and it was terrifying. I was afraid of myself. Luckily i had incredible support and i was never medicated. But i was not allowed to be alone with my daughter for almost a year. Its hard but im so glad i got help before it went too far. I dont think she should've been medicated that early. It was never even mentioned as an option for me. We started first with EMDR therapy and basic talk therapy and Frequent visits with medical and behavioral health. I found that going to work and feeling better about the situation as a whole and trusting that i could ask for help at any time was the key. I only have one child but it was because of that experience that made me fear having any other children. I think she suffered for a long time and the medication overly complicated things. She never had a chance.
I am so glad that you had do much support! I know in my situation, I had absolutely no support, and as with so many people had to go it alone. Andbthat is the real danger, I think. Anyway, I'm happy you had the support. Hope all is well now.
Yes, but rich mothers just have the baby blues. Sounds so much more pleasant .
I've never heard it was only for poor ppl but I've noticed when certain people do things like this it's mental illness but when others do it it's evil vile I wouldn't call that a mother look at them why would God even give them children or the usual suspects
Thank you for shining a light on postpartum mental health. I, myself had strange thoughts and ideas after having children but I never told anyone out of fear.
She planned it out, yes she was sick, but she had her husband pick up food and meds so she could have enough time to kill them and herself. I think she had to have some time within that hour of killing them that she knew what she was doing and could have stopped. I've been so damn depressed that I've thought of killing myself so many times but Never have I thought of hurting my child or anyone for that matter. Sick or not she knew what she was going to do after he left the house.
Depression and psychosis do not have the same symptoms.
so you literally just have no idea what you’re talking about 😂
Women in the u s are doubly at risk for postpartum depression. We have very little support during pregnancy. After pregnancy and with the children from the government or our families. Back in the old days Women took care of each other and of each other's children. Now we are all isolated
I think women in large entering the workforce in the 60s and 70s has a large role in this
@@mysticmandy1248A lot is expected from us and there isn't a support system in place for women who have children in general. In the US. If you get pregnant,you risk not getting promoted,viewed differently, isolation and more...while all still handling the other aspects of your life.
And, depending where in the US you live, you’re subject to forced pregnancies. This is not a political statement either, it’s a statement of fact. “Your fault you got knocked up, now give birth and deal with it”. Good old freedom!
@@JME1186pregnancy is already hard enough to go through but one where you're literally forced to give birth to something that you do not want growing in you? That's horror movie shit and a recipe for disaster.
You can thank the republican men that it’s likely the murderer in this case supported ( lots of republicans with $$ in MA) I’m sure she has family that supported the loss that was getting rid of abortion rights. Time to start getting used to this type of news, there’s going to be lots more of these stories to come. Thank you republicans.
I had pretty severe pp anxiety after my second was born. It was pure insanity-I started prepping for the end of the world, panic attacks, uncontrollable anger. I thought I just wasn’t coping well- until I started making faraday cages and buying gas masks. It’s not a fun place to be at all
How did you make it out ? I’m struggling with uncontrollable moments of rage and pure anger out of seemingly nothing 😢
@@brendaababey I had the rage too. It was easy for me-the hospital had a maternity psychologist who helped get me on Zoloft. After 2 days everything went away and I could breath finally. I can’t really describe how euphoric it felt to be myself again. Anyway, just call your doctor and tell them your symptoms and they’ll get you on track, don’t hesitate because it just gets worse (in my case anyway). I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this, but you can get better ❤️🩹
Bless your heart. I cant even imagine what you went through. Many prayers
@@brendaababey Reach out and be Very Clear about what you're experiencing and what you need (Help)
Doctors may brush you off sometimes so be ready to state that you are scared of your own anger and if they still refuse ask "OK doctor, Can you write down that your professional opinion is that my bouts of uncontrollable rage are not a danger to myself or my loved ones?" then either contact a "social worker" in the same medical facility or take that note to another doctor to repeat that you are scared and not being helped.
Wishing you peace in your mind and home soon
That's gonna come in handy, keep those.
I dont think I've made it through one of your videos without tearing up. Tragic.
I love the way you guys articulate these stories! I listen while I’m at work and how horribly sad and terrifying you do the victims so much justice speaking for them!
Post partum is REAL. I believe she needed more help and was failed… I had postpartum with my oldest son, it’s no joke… you could have the perfect life, yet still want to take your own. Sending my love and prayers to her family. Rest in peace to those beautiful little babies❤️👼🏻
Depends what you consider “failed”? Perhaps she had more than enough help & she “failed” her self & her children. She also calculated the entire killings down to the map to the restaurant & the stop at the pharmacy. She was killing her kid when she called her husband back 1 minute after he called her. She planned it out the entire day & stuck to it. She wasn’t having any breaks as many many people had contact with her, including the kids doctor she went too, the pharmacist, neighbors. She failed and wanted out & took her children with her, not ppd - premeditation 100%, not a snap as with psychosis.
Then why was she only "out of it" enough to successfully kill her kids yet failed only when it was HER turn to die? That tells you all you need to know about the extent of her supposed psychosis-staged. Theatrics.
Unwell American mothers kill their kids every single day, with the VAST majority never being afforded the benefit of PR style forced narratives that seek to coddle their mEnTaL iLLneSs. I'd wager most killer mothers ARE unwell and full of mental illness and personality disorders. That is NOT enough.
The scumbag in this story proved herself to have taken great effort in trying to seem more unstable than she is. If she were genuinely so unwell that she had no grasp of right and wrong (insanity defense ) there would be no evidence of her having bothered to sneakily get her husband out of the house-especially not in the calculated manner she did it in, as seen in their text exchange. She would have just acted right then and there no matter who or what is around her. Also, she would have succeeded in dying. Killing oneself is the easy part as you aren't fighting to surpass snuff out the fight or flight response in whole-ass other human beings who don't want to die, and right tooth and nail to prevent it. She supposedly wanted to die, yes? She wouldn't have to fight anyone to kill herself but the the one she just didn't get right. Hmmmm. Maybe it's evxauee the whole thing is BULLSHIT? She just doesn't deserve any of the support she's somehow getting from much of the public. The fact that she has any at all is such hypocritical nonsense.
@@dudemorris7769Yep. All these nut jobs commenting on here leaving out that she planned the entire murders in advance. That isn't ppd. Perhaps she pushed for that diagnosis so hard because she wanted to kill them and needed the insanity excuse.
It's so hard to get help as a new mother. I had twins but sadly they were very premature and only one baby survived. I spent months with the surviving baby in the NICU. She came home 2 months later. I wasn't sleeping, I was emotionally all over the place, I was anxious and worried about my daughter's health, despite her progressing well and being healthy.
At about 9 months post patrum I was really losing the ship and starting to have intrusive thoughts about how I had failed my babies because the pregnancy had gone awary, even though I couldn't have prevented it. I started to worry I would fail my surviving daughter, that she would probably be better off without me.
I told my ex "I think I need to get some help, like go talk to somebody or get therapy" He was annoyed, told me therapy doesn't work, that it's a scam for weak people who can't handle their shit and just get over it. The same man who I had made promise me that he would watch me for odd behaviour or detoriorating mental health when I was pregnant because I was scared that I might not notice if I was sick enough.
@@dudemorris7769You clearly know nothing about psychosis
He's a better man than me. I couldn't forgive her for killing my kids.
Benzo withdrawal can be truly horrible. Whatever you were taking them to repress, comes out like a monster when you’re in withdrawal.
Most doctors are very hesitant to prescribe them. Valium is quite strong, and is usually only prescribed as a last resort, shy of heavy duty psych meds.
My mom was addicted to them. She’d take 5 no.10’s at a time! If you know anything about these drugs, you’ll know how out of control that is. Her withdrawals were a terrible thing to be on the wrong end of.
I think expecting too much of yourself as a mother causes some of these anxiety issues. Sometimes you just have to accept that you can’t be perfect. What’s sad here, is unlike many women going thru this, she was willing to accept help. Many women refuse to face needing help.
It’s awfully sad.
Sometimes the best thing for an overwhelmed mother, is having someone take over caring for the children for a time. Every mother needs a break sometimes. It’s just a simple thing, but can be the difference between, literally, life and death.
No, there is no logical thinking. You are basically not in control of yourself anymore, and completely different. It's like you are hidden somewhere amongst all the madness. Without the right help and medication, it can get worse and worse.
The American mental healthcare system failed this woman and her family by failing to meet her needs at every turn. Women often struggle to get what they need out of the healthcare system, to the point I'm surprised they diagnosed her with anything at all instead of just dismissing her. She needed to have round the clock care. It's absurd how they refused to diagnose her with her actual problem, and instead, pumped her full of drugs that probably made things worse.
If she'd been cranky with them they'd have slapped BPD on her chart and called it good. I swear all the 'help' exists solely to blame the person seeking it for needing it. I've seen a mental hospital where they just keep people in prison clothes and give the ones on meds their pills until they say they're feeling better rather than have a doctor or clinician even talk to them about why they're there.
But they did just dismiss her, saying she had "generalized anxiety disorder" was probably why insurance was being so difficult, because thats a bullshit diagnosis from doctors that have no interest in actually helping you.
Unfortunately, the American mental health system is a joke. It's extremely hard to even find a good doctor and almost impossible to get prescribed the right medication mental health patients need. The doctors just want to prescribe a ton of antidepressants to every patient. Like every patients needs are the exact same. Doctors see someone for 10 minutes every month and then write them a prescription and then send the person on their way. Half of the medication the patients could do without. Very few mental health professionals actually grasp the severity of a patients situation, and most don't seem to care. Somethings got to change!
Lol. Women literally live off welfare, wtf are you talking about? As if somehow it's the states fault she did it? Get fckin real.
I have little doubt that I would have ended up taking my own life at least if it weren't for my husband being on the ball and realizing I needed help. I had post partem depression so hard after our 4th that I actually attempted to take my own life, and still my therapist said I was just being emotional. No doubt in my mind that without my husband I would be dead today, and I don't like to speculate what could have happened to my kids. And this was in 2018.
She should had longer term of treatment in a secure safe facility in patient. Heartfelt/ prayers 4 the hubby & family 4 the tragedy of his 3 young kids . Sad, 🫢🤔😮👎
The fact that once she woke up from her coma the first thing she asked was “do I need an attorney” says it all. Horrible.
I just don't understand why she would want to have a third child if she she had these complications previously after her second child.
It got worse 3rd time
There is a few things l don’t understand about this !
1) kept having babies
2)Proof she planed it all day
3)I’m not buying the psychosis part of her PPD
4)convenient that she jumped out window as she knew dam well husband was only minutes away!.
4)you would think her memory if she was in psychosis would be scattered hard to remember what happened instead Linsey asked for a attorney right away.
I’m with some of the other people’s comments Lindsey needs to do life in prison.
The little angels are the true victims here may they rest in the arms of love .
Men also suffer PPD such a difference in covering there issues no comparison called monsters !.
It’s crazy how a mind can break as soon as husband steps out to grab dinner.
Almost like she planned the whole thing and these mental health excuses are absolute bullshit.
Ya, weird how that happened
Hmmm 🤔
Well she planned on how long it was going to take for him to be gone right down to the miles and minutes, this was planned
I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this. I understand mental illness. I understand that she was struggling. But it’s so strange that she asked him to leave and then it happened.
It’s heartbreaking hearing the father yell and frantically crying. My heart goes out to him and his family.
Mental health conditions should NEVER be a legal defense for criminal activity. I myself suffer from PTSD and AN but that does not entitle me to act violently despite at times distorting my perceptions. Lindsey's defense is an attempt to escape responsibility plain and simple. God bless those babies.
This isnt just mental health. Its psychosis. Your experience with PTSD is nothing like psychosis. Not getting sent to prison for something she did when she wasnt in control of herself isnt escaping responsibility. She needs long term help and rehabilitation.
@@XxdeathbyleoxX I don't agree. Someone who has ended the lives of infants has no placs in society ever and ought not to be entitled to help of any kind. We differentiate ourselves from other animals by our ability to reason and our innate sense of good and evil. What Lindsey did was evil. There's no forgiveness for that. Plenty of schizophrenics suffer psychosis without acting violently. When someone says "I was sick so it's not my fault" they are spitting on their victims. If she had any decency left she would plead guilty and accept her punishment.
@@saradapagediocletian9707actually there IS forgiveness. God forgives. And if you found yourself or someone you loved in a similar situation I bet you'd have a different perspective. As someone who suffers with post pardom depression and anxiety and is doing everything in my power to help myself (seeing a Psychiatrist, Medication, working out, any and all therapy available) and it's still been the WORST depression of my life that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It's cruel to say someone is unforgivable because you don't understand and be so very thankful you don't understand.
@@JordanEndTimeServantOfYah144 lmao this is such a silly reply. Cruel is what Lindsey did to those babies. I'm a religious person so I agree God forgives. But He forgives the soul not the body. And the soul must atone through suffering of an equal or greater measure to those harmed by the body in question.
Its horrifying that you claim to be a religious person. You cant judge other people thru the lens of your reactions and feelings. You actually do sound pretty mentally ill with your black and white thinking. We atone through suffwring of our flesh as Jesus did that for us. You have peculiar thoughts.@saradapagediocletian9707
I’m a mom & from Massachusetts & I lost a newborn at 6 weeks old and I can’t imagine losing all 3 of my children in one day. I have a son Christopher. He’s turning 3 in exactly one month. I feel 0:02 for this grieving father… the whole family. It’s just so sad. So unbelievably heartbreaking. You did a BEAUTIFUL job with this piece. I am so glad I found your channel. Your work is SO important. I’m constantly inspired by your channel. Thank you for doing such a perfect job with this story. People need your truth. ❤
This one was a tear jerker 😭 thank you for all you do guys stay strong and thank you for giving these victims a voice rest in peace 🕊️ to those poor little angels 🙏
I appreciate that you guys cover so many stories from New England because I am from Connecticut. It also hits extra close to home when the story takes place in January because it disturbs me to think that while I'm celebrating my birthday, a child somewhere is suffering.
What a tragic situation this was. I'm so sorry to everyone involved.
It's really scary how she could recognize what was going on with her and actively seek out help, yet ultimately still find herself committing to the worst possible case scenario.
yeah bcuz it got worse and worse until she was no longer the one in the driver seat of her mind. All those medication switches would heavily contribute to the psychosis. They should have kept her on a medication much longer. It can take many weeks for the medication to get regulated in your system, and get everything more balanced as it should be.
I was born at South Shore Hospital in Weymouth, as was my youngest. As a nurse who grew up in this area, this one hits close to home. This is so incredibly sad and senseless and, I believe, preventable.
Depression or not, mental health concerns or not, we have to have a judicial system that unswervingly holds people accountable for what they actually do. Trying to understand the motive should ALWAYS come behind that in importance. We can’t have legislation that excuses murder because a doctor diagnosed someone with anxiety or depression preceding the act.
Right . I’m sure most killers are mentally ill to some extent, why else would they kill someone ? Where do we draw the line ? This case gets me, I struggled with PPD and PPA as well as really bad pp related insomnia. I had terrible intrusive thoughts. But I didn’t act on them … at what point do people get held accountable for their actions? And when is it excusable? Never imo
You can’t even get out of a DUI with a major depression diagnosis. But they want to let people get away with ending their kids lives because they tag “postpartum” on the front of it.
@@Xavierschanclas you didn't act on them because you didn't have PPP.
That proposed bill would be signing the death sentence for countless inconvenient babies. Just, NO.
She sure knew enough to ask for an attorney.
Exactly. She knew what she was doing when she killed those kids, too.
She was out of psychosis at that point.
@@XxdeathbyleoxXcan you prove it?
This story is just heartbreaking. I have had depression all my life & was still surprised when I got postnatal depression& was hospitalised. I had somewhat severe suicidal ideation but my only concern was keeping my baby safe so my ‘plan’ was always to take her to my gp office if I was really struggling. My gp prescribed medication but always carefully. I am stunned at the amount meds this woman was given in such a short period of time, it’s inexplicable. If anyone thought she was so sick she needed all these meds why wasn’t she hospitalised while they sorted it out.
I also agree with other posters, if a depressed person seems suddenly much better it usually means they’ve made plans for their end.
I didnt know what ppd was with my first 2 but my 3 was born premature and passed a few minutes after she was born. All i can say is suicidal thoughts r so scary!!! I had never experienced thoughts like that,they came out of nowhere and they were almost like orders not thoughts
She clearly sent him to get food to give her time to kill them. She wanted to get the timing right
Yeah definitely, I don’t understand all the leeway this ladies are giving her in the comments. It didn’t sound like she did it in a random fit of rage. It was clearly premeditated.
I completely agree. She also made for sure to make sure her children WOULD die…so why didn’t she wrap an exercise band around her own neck?
I know PPD is real… I had it after all three of my children were born. She didn’t get the help she needed, however, she premeditated this.
@@RahShanProductionsMTUI'm saddened by that a good 99% of the comments mention the babies as an afterthought to paragraphs of sympathy for the mom. There needs to be emergency foster care for moms having these thoughts and mothers who do it need to be institutionalized for life.
Thank you! Reading through all these, I was starting to feel like the only one. There is to much evidence, (meticulously planning), for it to be an all of the sudden break. Her history of mental illness especially her writing it down, to me, just gave her the excuse. She made sure to map out the time for her husband to be gone and she strangled those poor babies. It took a lot of time to do that to each one of them. She also knew jumping out of the window wouldn't kill her. So I just feel there is to many things fighting against her excuse. For so many women sticking up for her, it makes me sick to my stomach. They aren't even mentioning the babies anymore. Just how bad they feel for her 🙄
As someone with severe anxiety, depression, bipolar and PTSD I can tell you that it takes time to find right combination. And it can take many trials. But it's best in my opinion to go slow and give the meds time. I finally got my medicine figured out but it took years. And I wouldn't give them up for the world now. I can go through a day without vomiting, blacking out, or having my face and legs go numb. It changed my life to find the right medication combination. You have to be honest with your Dr about what you feel and think could be going on.
Thank you, finally a rational comment.
On that journey right now. It sucks
Thanks for this I needed this reminder as my doctors and I are still struggling to find a proper combination this has been the absolute worst two years of my life and I’m trying fighting like hell to get myself and my life back I’m hoping this new combo works out I really appreciate you reminding me it will take time and will have errors but eventually there will be hope
Love your comment and so very true!
Precisely. I love how people blanketly say " they just needed treatment " as if it isn't a long long process and assuming you don't need to go thru many people/tx teams to find the right fit,vand assuming it's financially feasible to sustain.
She lied to her husband! She told him she was ok now and not having those feelings.
Obviously ikd if it is the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't having those feelings at the time she told him, and then they all came upon her at once. Those kinds of feelings can be sneaky.
We need better societal support for these mothers other than meds. Think about the difference in these numbers if all mothers had easy access to things like postpartum hotels, night nurses, postpartum dulas and so forth?
Agreed. I feel like meds is just part of the solution. There's far more factors that go into being able to properly address all the different symptoms going on and learning long-term solutions in order to be better equipped for any future episodes. Unfortunately, the states is and has always been huge on throwing pills at people for many issues that require much more than a freaking 30-day script!
Yes....Post partum hotels....a place for mothers to be out of the environ.ment with Zero guilt!
Ikr. That's a wonderful idea and with all the social media platforms we could help eachother. We should make new money pages in our cities. I am doing that today. Everyone plz do it
People have such outlandish and unrealistic solutions to real world problems. Good luck getting that funded, and I doubt anyone will take advantage of resources like that. 👍🏻
Before the big event, the depressed often have 'the best day ever' with friends & family in the last day/days before completing the task
When you mentioned the father's last interaction with his son, already knowing how this story ends, my heart broke for that man in that moment. Tears just started streaming down my face. His whole life gone after one short trip from his home. Returning to a nightmare to live in a Hell on earth for the rest of his life. Like how does one recover from something like this? Truly. Like I get it, you have to keep living, but it would take someone far stronger than me to keep moving forward. Not kidding. I've already told my mother that if all 3 of my children died somehow, that I would do as much dope as I could until it killed me. I'm a recovering addict and I'm only clean because I have something far more important to worry about. Them. Without them, sobriety nor my life would mean anything anymore.
Congratulations on your sobriety. Having said that...🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼Prayers for you and your children. ❤❤❤❤ I pray you find peace
I've never taken drugs or drank alcohol, but I wouldn't be able to live with such grief either.
I'm not a young woman, but I had a boyfriend that died when I was 20 years old, we had 'dated' since I was 14.
I BARELY survived that.😞
@@danni1993 Oh goodness, I'm sorry for your loss. That would be awful. I lost my sister to cancer a few years ago and that one was tough but something about knowing it was coming really helped. We got to say goodbye.
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Yes, being able to say goodbye would be wonderful.
I hope she was pain-free when she passed.
@@danni1993 Thank you, yes she unlikely felt much of anything with as much as she was on. Unfortunately though, she did have to be intubated at the end and kept alive with oxygen. The goodbye was difficult as it was only spoken by me. I wanted to climb up in her lap and curl up with her but I couldn't. We just cried while I promised I'd see her later. So I pray that I do well enough to pass His test like she did.
This case is heartbreaking. Lindsay was absolutely failed (as many mothers in America are) by insurance and institutions and doctors that didn’t want to take the time to care. I am so very sorry for her and her poor husband, and the children who must have been so confused and betrayed in their final moments. This was preventable, and she tried her hardest to prevent it. There are no words for this degree of tragedy
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Great idea, instead of legislating to prevent these kinds of things from happening, legislate it so people who kill their kids are held to a lesser standard. What could go wrong?
It never ceases to amaze me that the quick answer is to throw them in jail. For what? Oh ,okay yeah they're guilty of having a mental illness. No, jail won't help anyone in that circumstance. Treatment works much better. So does kindness and understanding, for those of you that say she should be thrown in jail
@@janetmoquin7828 the criticism isn't about weather or not to send people to jail, it's about reactivity being prioritized over proactivity. That treatment option as an alternative shouldn't be an alternative to jail, it should be the alternative to having dead children. They're providing a prevention solution to a problem which has already occurred. It's too little, too late
@@Fredy_The_Yeti Um yeah, I kinda got that. I'm just saying treatment would be more of value than a jail cell.
@@janetmoquin7828Yeh but once the deed is done. Jail
May they rest in peace. And the family finds closure for themselves as well. Thanks for sharing
Post partum illnesses are way too common nowadays, it’s really sad 😔
Nowadays???😅
People have been killing their kids since the beginning of time, we just used to string them up instead of trying to understand why it happened.
You can't be blaming postpartum psychosis on everything.
@@annabaker8137right. I don’t see any of these people using it as an excuse when poor moms kill their kids…
I think it’s always been fairly common. My mother had post partum depression with me, so much so that she had to stay in a hospital for awhile when I was an infant. Her biggest problem though was refusing to sleep because she was terrified something would happen to me when she was sleeping and it drove her kind of crazy…
Wow. A case where the mom received treatment and had a lot of support, and yet this still happened. Tragic.
She had ZERO useful treatment!!!!
I take it you didn’t watch the video.. or read a news article.. anything?
Finally a response I can agree with.
Some more severe cases may require inpatient treatment in a facility, especially if women are a danger to themselves or their families.
I wouldn't say that continuing to just drug a patient up when the methods aren't working isn't really treatment. Like yeah, they gave her medicine, but it didn't help the actual issue.
This is horrible!! I had postpartum depression for 3 years after my son was born. It was so bad that it was hard for me to bond with my newborn. This has caused me to have such regret as my child grew that I never had another kid. My heart goes out to all suffering from postpartum depression and/or psychosis, and prayers to this poor family.
This, I got my tubes ties when mine turned 1. I was scared to death to have another. My midwife was no help, low income that's what I got. No Dr unless I had issues during pregnancy. I brought up my anxiety and she shut me down, they don't deal with anxiety is what I was told. On top of him being a premee and I couldn't produce milk, he couldn't latch. I couldn't sleep for months for fear of him dying in his sleep. I never did get help, he is 7 now. I have regrets, he wants a sibling, I feel like I missed out, even tho I'm a Stay at home mom. I wasted the baby months worrying instead of enjoying my new baby.
I had PPD and PPP, so i decided to had a bisalp, best decision ever!! For me 1 child is enough, my mental health is a million times more important than any brother I could give my daughter.
There is no excuse. She is more knowledgeable than mothers outside the medical field about what to expect and what to do or not to do with medications and with treatments. She had plenty of help and support. She could have left the household and stayed with another family member or hurt herself and left the kids out of it. She planned in advance when she sent her husband out for food. It became 100 percent her personal choice at that time and the only voice she heard was her own.
If her first question after regaining consciousness is about needing an attorney, she was perfectly aware of what she did.
Everyone in the comments just okay with this? Because a medical term becomes a fad doesn't make it ok just like now with gender it seems. I am shocked with these comments.
@@alleykat1750me too!! What has the world come to when a mother violently kills her 3 babies, after methodically sending the husband away (premeditation), and people feel sorry for her? She woke up and immediately asked for an attorney. I mean it’s sad, but are we forgetting what she did? Should she not be punished?
@@tammy7724 Plus she was a nurse, so it's not like she didn't have access to other resources, if her Dr. wasn't taking her seriously!!
I think this is kind of an outdated reasoning made by people who don't understand psychosis. As if someone in psychosis can't make or follow a plan. It's not like you are on an acid trip and don't know what's going on, it's just that you won't be in your right mind or make the same decisions you would normally. Just as an example of something I experienced personally, I was able to research and plan a suicide attempt while still hearing stuff that wasn't there (and other psychotic symptoms). I still knew I had to keep it a secret because people would try to stop me. The idea that psychosis suddenly makes you unaware of laws or how other people will react to your actions is silly.
@@shroomykyou’re right. Mental illness, psychosis, and mental disorders are not completely rational and completely misunderstood by most people.
I’m a mom with identical twins who are both autistic, to varying degrees. One is “more autistic,” for lack of a better term. One of my pet peeves are people saying they are capable of certain things because they are capable of doing other “neurotypical” tasks and behaviors. My boys excel in certain situations, but they are vastly deficient in other areas. Even between the two, they have strengths/weaknesses in some areas, that vary between them. And they are identical twins, raised in the same environment.
We need to stop thinking of mental illness as a logical, one size fits all, sorta thing. Yes, there are generalities and common similarities, but we still need to look at individuals as individuals. She was mentally ill, obviously.
Id really love to start new mom support groups. A place to speak freely and confide with eachother about feeling down or crazy or lonely. I have 5 kids and with each baby id lose a few friends because we either had different priorities or no time for eachother. Thos3 connections and support are so important the first few years of motherhood.
I asked about postpartum depression while I was still pregnant. I had given my worries and symptoms to the psychologist and she responded with "Well you have a basketball under your uniform. Of course you feel like that." (I was in the military. This was a military psychologist. )
I'm sorry you had to go through that 😔
RIP to those three sweet Souls.💔
Ugh that's so heart wrenching! Just goes to show how much ppl really need to get educated on mental health.
What a shocking tragedy. Post-partum depression and mental illness is shocking. I'm so sorry for this family and kids. She clearly needed more help than she received :(
Why didn't her husband have her committed until she was well?????
Thank you for telling us about the 3 precious, sweet angels. I've never heard anything about them before. I hope they are resting well 💔
I had some weird psychological symptoms after my baby was born. I had intrusive thoughts about throwing my baby down a storm drain, which was terrifying to me because I loved my baby so much. It also made me feel guilty that I had that thought. I heard voices in the breast pump. The machine noises sounded like it kept repeating “worry about me”. I became obsessed with “prepping” and social breakdown. I had an obsessive need to write poetry. It would wake me up at night. I went on meds for years, maybe 4. My creativity left when I started the meds. I could no longer write. And I still can’t… much, even though I’ve been off meds for 6 years. We are all souls. Our body becomes a portal for the spiritual realm when we are pregnant. Both good and evil have access to us. My advice, before, during, and after pregnancy have a strong relationship with God and goodness. Be aware of the demonic because the devil will play games with your head if you don’t stay steadfast.
I shed tears with the fathers go fund me words. I can’t imagine what was said at the service. 🦋
“Are moms doomed” makes me so sad. Feels so hopeless being a mother sometimes.
It's sad that she tried so hard to get help but nothing helped. I feel so sorry for her. I had post partum depression after my third child was born. We had suffered many miscarriages so when we finally had him I suffered with fear that someone would take him or something bad would happen to him. I wouldn't even let the nurses or doctors take him out of my sight while I was in the hospital after giving birth to him. I never had dark thoughts of hurting him or myself but I was overwhelmed with fear that I would lose him. I can't imagine how much she struggled. I think the key to helping women is to treat them on an individual basis instead of a generalized treatment. Not all post partum depression is the same.
This is so heartbreaking. What would justice even look like in this case?
I have 6 children and had post partum anxiety after kid #5. You don’t realize how crippling and devastating it is or how it has an unexplainable control over you. I never fully understood it until I went through it.
The fact she asked “do I need an attorney” nah screw her.
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My mum got post partum depression. She says she’s thankful she never had any I’ll feelings directed towards her kids. But she had a lot of rage and impulsive thoughts and general gloomy shadow feeling. It’s been 17 since she last gave birth and she still takes antidepressants. If she stops taking her meds then the same depression created by her pregnancies comes back because she’s medication dependant. She knew of someone around her age (50 now) when she was younger who developed post partum psychosis and had to be hospitalised for a few months, without contact with her baby because it was too big of a risk. Post partum disorders have been around for forever and have been known of for quite a while, they are not a new thing at all. and America is lagging behind many other countries in how they help and treat post partum in the medical and legal side of things. For example, the infanticide act.
I’ve heard a lot that having a suddenly great day after a long time of depression, it is a _possible_ sign that they are going to end things soon. They’re happy because they are relieved it will all be over soon. Obviously this isn’t true for everyone, but I do think it is something to look out for.
Those perfect little kids' lives would have been a dream, they would have had a loving job, sweet kids, and other great things. But NO, all of that was stolen way too early from that satanic mom that deserves to rot in hell. May their precious little lively angels rest peacefully.
This case, in my personal opinion, is one of the worst thus far. I have been watching your channel since earlier this year, trying to catch up as best as I can, and to hear this story is gut-wrenching and you two have covered some truly evil cases. The mother not in her right mind (to be put lightly, but not disrespectfully) and a grieving father so broken he is barely existing because of the loss of his babies is so horrible I don't believe that there is a single word that can describe this case.
RIP little angels in the arms of the Almighty. Gone too soon :(
This is such a tragic story, I feel so bad for husband, and those poor kids omg 😢😢😢
Those babies deserve better. 😔😭 Rip clancy babies.
Such an awful tragedy 😔my heart breaks for all affected by this terrible situation. Rest well sweet babies 😢
This sort of thing is terrifying to me as someone with mental health issues who wants to have kids. I hope whoever I end up not only helps watch over me, but more importantly my future children.
He never should have left them alone.
She knew exactly what she was doing this so sick, may all three kids rest in peace 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
I CAN'T BELIEVE that she was "out of her head" when she took the time to figure out how long it would take her husband to go get food and go to the pharmacy and come back! That takes a some brain work... Sushi was on anxiety medication and antidepressant, so is half of the world... Does this give a person excuse to take another one's life?
She thought enough to get the dad out of the house for awhile shows premeditation. Either way she should be punished or in a mental hospital.
She was being told in her head now or never
Nah ,Lindsey planed it all day if you watch back the video .
psychosis isn’t like an acid trip where you don’t know what’s going on. people plan for several days to kill themselves due to psychosis. people hide their plans because they know people will think it’s wrong and will try to stop them. the idea that someone experiencing psychosis just suddenly forgets how the world works is a really misinformed take.
I think the planning began before that day. A lot of the run up seemed like she way laying some groundwork until she worked out a plan to create an opportunity when she covered other grounds.
Thanks for keeping us updated on crimes
I got engulfed by this case when it first broke. I joined Reddit groups, stalked the family on Facebook, I wanted to know everything everything everything. It’s sort of an anomaly in the area of filicide because of their background and Lindsay’s character. All the details about the case are unusual, confusing and morbidly fascinating - right down to the weapon she used. Patrick’s words absolutely break my soul every time I hear them, his pain is so powerfully severe.
You all did a really great job of condensing all of the crucial facts, and presenting all the important evidence here.
Get another hobby ma’am
My heart breaks for Patrick
Thanks!
This is one of the most heartbreaking stories I’ve ever heard! It hits me particularly hard as we are both (or were both) RN’s. I understand the usually high level of empathy one must have to be effective in this role. It seems like she did “everything right” in her attempt to seek out help but was repeatedly failed by organizational bureaucrats and the system as a whole. If someone who spent many years working as a healthcare professional was unable to overcome the numerous barriers to successfully navigate postpartum psychosis, what hope is there for everyone else?
This story is so sad I’m so glad you’re covering. I was waiting for an update.
Between the medical and legal communities screwing up with post-partum depression it's no wonder things like this happen. 😢