@1:57 the lead bogie on the lead loco has cast onto in "Made in RSA," quite a surprise to see an American loco with South Africa bogies. Hi from NZ, Anthony
Actual Notch 8 just sounds unreal. Most people will catch a train in notch 5 and think they've seen a locomotive at it's loudest, but they have no clue 😂
Umm... I would say zero experience. An experienced crew would have pushed back while sanding, creating slack so they weren't trying to start the entire train at once plus would have made a nice sanded stretch of rail.
English version at the end. Apparemment la distribution de puissance n'est pas égale, ou le second essieu est en mauvais état et un reprofilage lui serait fortement utile. On ne connait pas bien ces locos ici en Europe, mais il est évident qu'elles ont du muscle et un excellent système d'anti patinage. L'essieu qui glisse ne glisse que de quelques degrés et l'antipatinage le déleste immédiatement. Le premier essieu ne glisse pas d'un poil. L'état du bandage de roue du second essieu pose problème et l'anti patinage fonctionne parfaitement. Traduction automatique avec des corrections mineures : " Apparently power distribution is not even, or the second axle is in poor condition and a reprofiling would greatly benefit it. We don't know well these locos here in Europe, but it's obvious that they have muscle and an excellent anti-skid system. The slipping axle only slips a few degrees and the traction control immediately unloads it. The first axle doesn't slip a bit. The condition of the wheel surface on the second axle is problematic and the anti-skid system works perfectly." Nice vid bro ! Keep on going with the good job !
biggest problem with those sandite blowers is that they're only in front of one axle in each direction per truck. if they had them both directions on each axle on each truck they'd get un stuck a little faster! not such a huge problem these days with active traction management but older engines would happily spin their wheels off if the operators let them
I had someone else say this, and I completely agree. I believe the issue is just the logistics of having 12 blowers per truck, which would be hard to fit and really quickly deplete the sand. Furthermore, I believe the concept is that the sand that hits the first wheel will be pressed down and lying on the rail for the trailing wheels to also hit.
@@LocoProNotch 4 or 5 tops, and I believe he was waiting for the airbrakes to release. The train took off far too quick to be fighting tonnage. Retired Engineer.
only thing that sucks about DC traction motors, you can’t feather it like AC he’s on the brakes to keep the wheels from spinning, soon as he got all the wheels on the sand you hear em let out the independent loco brakes 👍
Question so is the sand acting like a sand blaster and blasting the rail clean to bare metal or actually used for traction or a combo of both? 2:57 just before the middle slipping wheel you can see the top of the rail looks like it was sandblasted (mirror/shiny clean metal look) just behind the front wheel.
Hey there. The sand is blasting as traction for the wheel; no need to modify the rail. Also, that white you're looking at is actually already blasted sand that has sat on the rail and already been run over by the first wheel.
These CSX locos sure do have some really worn wheels. Looks like there’s no wheel rim left. Worn all the way down! Better get these wheels changed soon.
Now that I think on it, the backups menuver could sense. Assuming the sander was continuing to blow sand the next forward rotation could be on sand of which could be a little more level than the sand would have been without the added room add in the wider spread of sand which helps gain additional traction. But I don't know if that's the reason or not,rather, I just think it could be a reason .
Backing up puts slack in the couplers, so when it starts going forward, the engines can get moving before the cars. If done properly, you are only pulling one car, then the next and so on, as the slack is removed.
This started around 1850 and hasn't changed since them. Railroads send out underpowered trains throughout North AMerica every day. They send out overpowered trains. It's not an exact science.
Yes there is. Most trains are designed to work in both directions. If you look closely there is another set of nozzles aimed to do the same in the opposite direction.
I am not a train expert, but I see the sand nozzle only sprays in front of the first wheel. The 2nd and 3rd were still slipping until they reached the sand. Why no just go toss sand in front of all the powered wheels instead of waiting?
My guess is one, it’s very difficult to fit three nozzles near all six wheels of the truck (since you’d have to do the other side as well), and two, the idea may be that the sand sprayed for the first wheel will sit on the rail so that the trailing wheels will eventually hit it. That’d a good question. :)
@@LocoProYeah, mechanically, it may be difficult to put a nozzle in front of all the wheels. But, nothing says (when going that slow) a worker cant just toss some sand on the rails! Would have maybe saved 5 minutes of creeping and slipping. But then again that is 5 more minutes of Union pay scales :D
@@WBradleyRobbinsit’s not the safe option. Has nothing to do with pay except a liability if the conductor gets hurt or killed. And would you like every engine to carry a bag of sand on it somewhere 😂😂
@@ohboy2592the pay part was sarcasm. People work on the tracks all the time, and are safety trained. Also, the train already carries a tank of sand for the blowers. What difference would a big of sand make?
@@WBradleyRobbins you know how many bags of sand that would be for every locomotive in a fleet? And you as a conductor having to stand next to a locomotive throwing sand down is eventually going to get someone hurt. It’s an unnecessary risk when the current operation of sanders works extremely well
The reason it stalled out was the engineer wasn’t ringing the bell or blowing the horn incessantly ! Everyone knows that trains in America HAVE to make as much noise as possible otherwise they don’t work.
@@7171-Ws6 The traction motor casing does get some air blown down though the connection to the frame but DC motors still heat up at slow speeds and can overheat.No fans in the motors .
It's not train driver pro maximum on mommy's ipad, mate. You are assigned power to use. If everything works right and the train moves even a tiny bit, you have enough power in asset management's eyes.
The second unit shut down automatically via the AESS. It takes a few minutes to start itself back up and the engineer was impatient and started pulling
@@LocoProok, then post the entire video so I can hear the engine throttle up in whatever notch you think it is when wheel slip begins. I’ll wait for the link. Btw, I work on through freight trains so I have just a little bit of experience in what this sounds like.
There’s a lot of forces an engineer must manage. You don’t just notch up until you start moving because that causes wheel slip that damages the locomotive and the rail.
Very different railroading between Western Europe and America. In the US, MX and CA we move very heavy tonnage over very long distances. North America makes electricity as we move while Europe pulls power off the power grid. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.
To get some dialogue on the incident, click here: ua-cam.com/video/ZOtVunvgDpA/v-deo.htmlsi=CF09jRp20OF2yOJK&t=2205
Enjoy. :)
I wonder if the crew were rocking back and forth in their seats saying " come on...come on".
or I hope these engines can handle it without a blowout lol
Conductor was made to throw out his wallet then they began moving.
Start rowing!
Only the one on the toilet
nope... they were all at the back pushing
It really shows the difference the sand makes. Once the second axle and especially the third hit that sand patch, they were good to go. Great shots!
@1:57 the lead bogie on the lead loco has cast onto in "Made in RSA," quite a surprise to see an American loco with South Africa bogies.
Hi from NZ,
Anthony
Now that is a cool tid bid of information I would have never known. Thank you for sharing! :)
Actual Notch 8 just sounds unreal. Most people will catch a train in notch 5 and think they've seen a locomotive at it's loudest, but they have no clue 😂
Actual notch 8 is so loud, bro.
Hi BNSF1458 I’m surprised you also watch loco lol he is a good one.
He knows what he's talking about very few on here do.
Not really sure what happened, but it bolted forward suddenly, seemed to me something was wrong, and it wasn't too much load, maybe stuck brakes!!
Was a combination of removing slack and powering up simultaneously.
Thank you for very much it is really a good viewing pleasure just to see how these enormous powerful engines work.
I was even holding my breath while watching to help the engines a little bit...🥵 Thanks for sharing! 👍
The power of sand.
Great close ups of the sand blasting and spinning wheels... Never seen that before !!
There are plenty of videos showing spinning wheels & sand blasting! Do you have your head in the sand?
@@thebops4180 Sorry I haven’t seen everything in the world like you have. Oh well 👍🏼
Must have been your 1st time using UA-cam :(
That is one hellava crew. Experienced engineer and alot of tonnage.
Umm... I would say zero experience. An experienced crew would have pushed back while sanding, creating slack so they weren't trying to start the entire train at once plus would have made a nice sanded stretch of rail.
Or waited for the second unit to start up
@@roystevens4333It's not a train game
seems more like an underpowered train doing its best to get moving with great engineers on board
Nice power and patience
Felt like I was watching my train in TSW
Meanwhile the traction motors are roasting....
Excellent !! James.
Hey old friend, nice hearing from you!
@@LocoProYou as well !! James.
"I think I can. I think I can..."
That was so cool. I was rooting for them because I knew when the second axle on each truck got on the sand they were off to the races.
Its mind boggling how a loco can pull that much weight on 2 rails , I wonder how many tons he is moving here ???
If your an old locomotive engineman, as I, you will know running a long drag in lousy weather isn't much fun without the sandboxes full to the brim.
Awesome..different for a change
English version at the end.
Apparemment la distribution de puissance n'est pas égale, ou le second essieu est en mauvais état et un reprofilage lui serait fortement utile.
On ne connait pas bien ces locos ici en Europe, mais il est évident qu'elles ont du muscle et un excellent système d'anti patinage. L'essieu qui glisse ne glisse que de quelques degrés et l'antipatinage le déleste immédiatement. Le premier essieu ne glisse pas d'un poil. L'état du bandage de roue du second essieu pose problème et l'anti patinage fonctionne parfaitement.
Traduction automatique avec des corrections mineures : " Apparently power distribution is not even, or the second axle is in poor condition and a reprofiling would greatly benefit it.
We don't know well these locos here in Europe, but it's obvious that they have muscle and an excellent anti-skid system. The slipping axle only slips a few degrees and the traction control immediately unloads it. The first axle doesn't slip a bit. The condition of the wheel surface on the second axle is problematic and the anti-skid system works perfectly."
Nice vid bro ! Keep on going with the good job !
biggest problem with those sandite blowers is that they're only in front of one axle in each direction per truck. if they had them both directions on each axle on each truck they'd get un stuck a little faster! not such a huge problem these days with active traction management but older engines would happily spin their wheels off if the operators let them
I had someone else say this, and I completely agree. I believe the issue is just the logistics of having 12 blowers per truck, which would be hard to fit and really quickly deplete the sand. Furthermore, I believe the concept is that the sand that hits the first wheel will be pressed down and lying on the rail for the trailing wheels to also hit.
@@LocoPro yeah I agree, it’s understandable why they don’t do it that way
He didn't hit Notch 8 or anywhere near it. Why would he, He had wheel slippage
Is that not notch 8? What power rating do you believe he hit?
@@LocoProHe's right, that's nowhere near notch 8. That was like notch 1 or 2. I was a conductor on the CSX.
@@LocoProNotch 4 or 5 tops, and I believe he was waiting for the airbrakes to release. The train took off far too quick to be fighting tonnage. Retired Engineer.
@@DamnYankee-rg8pg I thank you for your insight.
@@williamburroughs2273notch 1 or 2? 😂😂
Operators knew their equipment! They could run my excavator anyday!
When I think I can…..I think I can…..I think I can really hits home 😅!
Amazing frens
only thing that sucks about DC traction motors, you can’t feather it like AC he’s on the brakes to keep the wheels from spinning, soon as he got all the wheels on the sand you hear em let out the independent loco brakes 👍
Which is why I'm glad AC traction has taken over for the most part
@@MrNorth69 took some of these roads forever
@@RDC_Autosports Very true. luckily the carrier I'm with used AC traction very early, it's a day and night difference for DC and AC..
Sand takes time to drop ! Always start earlier than later!
Question so is the sand acting like a sand blaster and blasting the rail clean to bare metal or actually used for traction or a combo of both? 2:57 just before the middle slipping wheel you can see the top of the rail looks like it was sandblasted (mirror/shiny clean metal look) just behind the front wheel.
Hey there. The sand is blasting as traction for the wheel; no need to modify the rail. Also, that white you're looking at is actually already blasted sand that has sat on the rail and already been run over by the first wheel.
These CSX locos sure do have some really worn wheels. Looks like there’s no wheel rim left. Worn all the way down! Better get these wheels changed soon.
I don't think the wheel rims are an issue here, though I could easily be mistaken.
Now that I think on it, the backups menuver could sense.
Assuming the sander was continuing to blow sand the next forward rotation could be on sand of which could be a little more level than the sand would have been without the added room add in the wider spread of sand which helps gain additional traction.
But I don't know if that's the reason or not,rather, I just think it could be a reason .
Backing up puts slack in the couplers, so when it starts going forward, the engines can get moving before the cars. If done properly, you are only pulling one car, then the next and so on, as the slack is removed.
@@robertheinkel6225 until you jerk your train in to. Seen it done.
Nice video bro! I just started watching and I already think I like your content, I also subbed!
Are the railroads that stingy that they're sending out under powered trains? Is that really how CSX wants it?......... Nice video!
This started around 1850 and hasn't changed since them. Railroads send out underpowered trains throughout North AMerica every day. They send out overpowered trains. It's not an exact science.
''Cinders and ashes. I'm stuck''. And he was....
I'm curious-How do you finesse that? Is it the computer doing the wheel slip management or the engineer controlling it?
Combination of removing slack from the train and not over-powering to avoid breaking a knuckle.
Computer controlled traction control
Cool video and channel just subscribed
awesome
No one:
my trains in train sim world 2
Is the 2nd Engine, running in reverse, able to apply sand too? Are there sand nozzles pointed in both travel directions?
Yes there is. Most trains are designed to work in both directions. If you look closely there is another set of nozzles aimed to do the same in the opposite direction.
I try to get sand down before i get to this point, just to give it a better chance
Traction !!!!.
I am not a train expert, but I see the sand nozzle only sprays in front of the first wheel. The 2nd and 3rd were still slipping until they reached the sand. Why no just go toss sand in front of all the powered wheels instead of waiting?
My guess is one, it’s very difficult to fit three nozzles near all six wheels of the truck (since you’d have to do the other side as well), and two, the idea may be that the sand sprayed for the first wheel will sit on the rail so that the trailing wheels will eventually hit it. That’d a good question. :)
@@LocoProYeah, mechanically, it may be difficult to put a nozzle in front of all the wheels. But, nothing says (when going that slow) a worker cant just toss some sand on the rails! Would have maybe saved 5 minutes of creeping and slipping. But then again that is 5 more minutes of Union pay scales :D
@@WBradleyRobbinsit’s not the safe option. Has nothing to do with pay except a liability if the conductor gets hurt or killed. And would you like every engine to carry a bag of sand on it somewhere 😂😂
@@ohboy2592the pay part was sarcasm. People work on the tracks all the time, and are safety trained. Also, the train already carries a tank of sand for the blowers. What difference would a big of sand make?
@@WBradleyRobbins you know how many bags of sand that would be for every locomotive in a fleet? And you as a conductor having to stand next to a locomotive throwing sand down is eventually going to get someone hurt. It’s an unnecessary risk when the current operation of sanders works extremely well
The reason it stalled out was the engineer wasn’t ringing the bell or blowing the horn incessantly ! Everyone knows that trains in America HAVE to make as much noise as possible otherwise they don’t work.
Talented engineer!
Talented how? Move the throttle lever ? Haha
That’s crazy though
However, remember, they haters for saying that about the ES40DC
@@BermudaOSC 😂😂
Those wheels look kind of wore out to me. Am I right or wrong or any idea I don't do this industry
Definitely got some wear and tear on them, but as far as I can tell that wasn't the reason they were struggling to move.
Mantap
Terima kasih. :)
Shame on CSX, Now Try and stop that train in an Emergency.
DC power is horrible. Had this been AC power they would have had an easier time getting it going.
did you go out to inman yard today? i went there today for the first time and i saw a railfanner there
also ignore the fact that i realized i have like the same banner as yours (without the text tho)
Nah, I wasn’t there. And the banner’s not *that* original, so no worries there. 😂
@@LocoPro alr and i got lucky and caught NS 3987 for the first time after missing it twice it stopped right next to me
I'll bet those DC motors were heating up some...AC motors so much better but much more costly.
Yup, those are ES44DCs. The motors are probably getting hot.
They have traction motor fans
@@7171-Ws6 The traction motors are in line with the axles in the trucks and below the frame.Where do you think the fans are?
@@rj4590they are inside the casings
@@7171-Ws6 The traction motor casing does get some air blown down though the connection to the frame but DC motors still heat up at slow speeds and can overheat.No fans in the motors .
Can’t radio ds for more power?!
It's not train driver pro maximum on mommy's ipad, mate. You are assigned power to use. If everything works right and the train moves even a tiny bit, you have enough power in asset management's eyes.
The train ultimately got moving, so it would appear they had enough, even if it could have been a lot better.
A tiny grain of sand can move a million pounds of freight.
It just provides a bit more traction.
2 engine self shut down. Got impatient and tried pulling before 2nd fired up. No big deal…..
…what?
The second unit shut down automatically via the AESS. It takes a few minutes to start itself back up and the engineer was impatient and started pulling
need a notch 9?
More like notch 12.
That’s notch 1. Lowest throttle position.
I may not know many things, but I’m pretty certain that’s not notch 1. 😂
Won’t get wheel spin in N1
@@7171-Ws6 tell me you’ve never been in a locomotive with tonnage behind it
@@LocoProok, then post the entire video so I can hear the engine throttle up in whatever notch you think it is when wheel slip begins. I’ll wait for the link. Btw, I work on through freight trains so I have just a little bit of experience in what this sounds like.
@@ohboy2592 Good sir, this was the full video. 😂
Too much tonnage for the engine, slipping wheels and sand are not good for the rails and the loco
You can say that again.
Locomotives do not stall from lack of traction. They can only stall from lack of power.
Hahaha
Train was probably super heavy & long for no reason & under powered.
Underpowered? Yet it was able to get the train moving. There is a big issue between power and traction. This train had a traction issue
Cheaper to rebuild traction motors than fuel a 3rd unit.
Silly.
Definitely not in notch 8 …. It
Would rip that track with those DC motor lol
I see. Now so what was all the noise then, because now I’m curious? 😂
No it wouldn’t !
Not sure of the skill level here? You blast sand and notch up till you start moving!
There’s a lot of forces an engineer must manage. You don’t just notch up until you start moving because that causes wheel slip that damages the locomotive and the rail.
Yeah, that american locomotives are very weak, unlike europeans locomotives...
Very different railroading between Western Europe and America. In the US, MX and CA we move very heavy tonnage over very long distances. North America makes electricity as we move while Europe pulls power off the power grid. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.
I didn't know the Europeans move 3 Mile long trains as we do in North America?
what a boring video. i want my 5 minutes back
Not much I can do about that. :)