134: SIX Reasons why your bread dough DIDN'T PUFF UP Properly - Bake with Jack
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Isn't it frustrating when your Bread Dough doesn't puff up and you don't know WHY!? I feel your pain, here are six things it could be.
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You’re awesome. My bread dough didn’t puff up & you provided the exact reasons why. Thank you so much. Also, you’re a joy to listen to & make me smile when I just wanted to cry. 👏👏👏👏👏
This is what I love about Jack, such a fountain of knowledge. No matter how much you think you know about bread making, he always brings more useful tips to the table.
Great info. I had bread that appeared not to rise so I put it in the oven, turned the electric light on and went to bed. In the morning I had over-proofed the dough. Prior to going to bed I should have put it in the refrigerator and then simply taken it out and let it continue after getting up in the morning. So many ways to make mistakes with just 4 ingredients. lol
Thanks Jack, this is a gem because it nails a lot of problems that can be encountered by newbies.
I've followed all sorts of recipes and scientific formulae in the past while trying to get my bread right. Unfortunately you are too young to have helped me then but I’ve picked up some ideas on the way - then discarded 90% of them.
One idea I picked up: if you need to add water to an already mixed dough , first mix it with a little flour to a wet paste. This will mix in more easily. So if you forgot the yeast, mix it with a little water then add some flour to a paste - it won’t be quite as slippery.
I've found there can be a significant difference between bread flours, especially organic, stone-milled and supermarket types which have all sorts of additives such as flour improvers. The organic seems to need more and takes longer to rise and prove.
When I first made bread I kept on adding flour to stop the stickiness and ended up with a stiff dough. Like Jack says, just keep working it.
The other biggy from wor Jack: do it all at room temperature. Forget airing cupboards and proving drawers unless you’re baking in a very cold room, which would still work but very slowly.
Thanks for this. Your the only one who could answer the poor second rise.
Classic Erin, happy to help 🤗
#4 Great point. I'm a lot less anxious "waiting" for the dough to rise if I'm not waiting for the dough to rise. ;)
Best explanations I've ever heard so far !
Not even a friend of mine who's a baker could tell me ... 😄
😎 I now know what went wrong with my breads 😎
probably will tell my friend ...
Jack, thank you for taking the time to do this
*Happy Ending Below*
I was having so many problems with my sourdough since moving to my new house that I stopped making bread for a long time. "No bread?" my family would complain on holidays.
At my old house it took about 12 hours of levain time and 4 hours of dough rising time to make a good sourdough loaf. At my new house,
I have the same problem. 🤔 I will let time take care of it now. 👍
@@jeannorris1510 Time is definitely your friend with sourdough! Tbh it's harder to over-ferment than it is to under-ferment.
This will help me a lot. Thank you for sharing 🙌🏻
I read to put your starter in the oven with the oven light on. It keeps it at a good temp. I do that with my resting dough as well.
You are such a sweetie! This grandma has been worrying over my LUMP of dough...WAITING for it to puff up...waiting...waiting...sigh. So I came looking for help, Jack. On my way to this video, I stopped by your website to buy 2 dough scrapers. So, with that done (Amazon US had NOTHING like yours), here I am. Waiting, but reassured. Thank you, Jack. I appreciate your help. It is rather cold here, so I'll try patience. And more waiting. 😁😁
M frm India.....I was making same mistakes u told in this video....many thanks....loved ur accent n passion.....
I use my oven with the oven light on as my proving station. It has helped give me a consistent “room temperature” for my sourdough levains and doughs, even overnight.
Me too, I've resorted to the oven with its light on to obtain a 21-23 deg C temp when the kitchen has been shivery cold. I know it contravenes Jack's "just wait longer" principle but I don't always have that amount of time with a slow ferment like sourdough.
@@ChristopherMerriman Well in situations like that i put it in the fridge. In the morning or when i want i pull it out for an hour and bake it. Longer fermentation bring more aroma and taste.
i make bread with all purpose flour and come out great just need to wait more longer to puff up.thank jack
I was watching this video while having my homemade focaccia made two days ago with a cup of tea. 😋
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience so generously. “Common sense is not common!” Have a good week, till next Thursday!
Love the advice to not throw the dough away if it doesn't rise. Re-purposing it as flatbread or tortillas is brilliant! Love all of your advice, actually.
Jack's Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not dust while kneading. We might as well admit it to ourselves ... Jack seems to know everything.
Guilty before but now I enjoy working that lump of sticky mess..it seems newbies doesnt want to dabble in that sticky mess..
Commandment Twelve: Thou shalt not bake without a pencil.
Yeah I'm guilty as well, lesson learned, now I always made rise perfectly and made my own recipe after some time of experimenting
I dusted too🤦♀️
So how do you fix it if you dusted before you watched this video? Wait longer or a second kneading?
I feel personally attacked in Jack's videos (but insanely grateful he shares his wisdom!)
IKR right, had the same feeling lol
Yes, I too was like uh but than relieved that I could save my dough from going in the trash.😂🥰🍞🥐🥖🥯
I love your positive energy. Just subscribed.
I just love the way you say "puff up". It's so cute.
You sir, are a total gem. Bless you and your forthright, desperately needed honesty. You are the man.
Oh, my goodness, did you talk to my exact issues. I've made bread for all my life, and I never would have thought that using warm water for the bread to proof the first time will impede the second time's rise. Your sense of humor was just what I needed for hope in baking success. I use recipe and it works perfectly for a few months, then it goes bonkers and won't rise right. I try another recipe with success for a few months, and then it goes wonky, even though I use the same wheat, same water, yeast, and other ingredients, weighed for accuracy. Maybe the water temperature is the deal breaker. Back to the drawing board. I so want to have consistent results.
I wait so patiently every Thursday morning. I love that they're waiting when I wake up. I got it early this morning though! Love it! Thanks for everything!
Great puffing video Jack. Sticky can be fun!
Based off of your other videos I started experimenting with swapping out a part of the flour and braced myself for the results... and it was exactly as I expected. All the things I expected to be different were different.
Crossing fingers for a second trail tomorrow.
Can't say it enough...thank you so much for the confidence in this learning process!!!
Hey Jack, how did you manage to see me struggling in my kitchen ?
I am so glad I watched your video. I let my dough sit and hour longer for the second rise and it was perfect. 😃😃😃 I was defiantly frustrated cause it was rising as much as I wanted to.
Thank you! My dough was a struggle today, and now I know why! I changed to a new flour and kept “dusting.” New day tomorrow!
There are so many variables. Sometimes your bread doesn’t turn out they way it should be. Depending on climate, temperature, the kind flour, your oven, etc. It’s all trial and error. Just have to figure out what works best for you. Florida and The UK is a completely different climate and humidity. What Jack does for his sourdough perfect for where he is in the UK, whereas in Florida can be so different. Trial and error is the best education.
Exactly ☺️👌🏻
But I don't LIKE trial and error. 😁
I learned to warm my kitchen in the winter months before I bake, as to make sure my yeast does what it's supposed to do & like it should when I make bread. Plus it makes the kitchen nice & toasty.
You are so good at teaching
Great pep talk. Thanks 🙏🙏🙏
I'd virtually given up on baking bread before I found #130 & then #101
- which was an utter revelation!
Completely made sense of all that had been going wrong and I can honestly say that I now get consistent results when I stick to the Gospel According to Jack.
My variable results only come when I vary elements of the 'gospel'.
.....Good 'onya Jack!!
Thank you SO MUCH for making the making these videos!!
That’s exactly what I was doing wrong...constantly adding flower ...🙈thank you so much for this video. 👍👍👍
My kitchen is quite cold so it takes quite some time for the dough to puff up properly, but last week, I had a pot of soup simmering away so it was very much warmer in the kitchen and the dough rose in a fraction of the usual time.
Thanks for the tips! Yes I find that I follow a recipe from a person baking in a warm climate island and in my area right now it’s winter so I do feel that there is a difference on the rising of the dough
If you find it difficult to wait for the dough to puff up, you could start kneading another simple dough in the interval and if you still have time, work lots of butter in the second dough, so by the time you are done with the second dough, the first one has hopefully puffed up enough, and when you are busy with the first one, the second will puff up....
I love your videos Jack!!! Keep them coming!
Great video! I think my kitchen is really cold so it seems to take forever, I feel like I’m not quite getting the volume change I want. Bread still comes out tasting great but could be a little lighter and more air pockets etc, today i let it rise putting it in oven with light on around 20-30 degrees and sure enough it already seems to have helped. Let’s see tomorrow when i bake!
'surprise fajita night'. Top advice & earned a subscription. Cheers, fella.
Your saying fajita and burrito at 8:15.... I'm a Texan, the state that invented burritos (migrant workers needed a hearty meal easily carried, tex mex style), and believe you me I couldn't get enough if the inflections and accent there. Must have watched at least 6 times. Love it. Love your channel also.
Just to add: Enriched doughs also take a longer time to puff compared to a non-enriched dough. Depending on the recipe, it could take you up to an additional hour of waiting before an enriched dough reaches the same volume you'd expect from a non-enriched dough.
Hell fire Jack. I've just realised what I've been doing wrong. 🤔 Thanks mate.
I noticed your "teasers" of forthcoming tuition concerning whole grain doughs... I've recently been experimenting with 100% whole grain dough. I'm applying the identical processes I use in my standard 20%/80 (whole grain:white bread) flour mix and obtaining fantastic results: oven spring, crust and taste are terrific with identical baking times. BUT. The only thing that is different is the "crumb" cell openings are not as random or large. The finished bread still has a wonderfully light texture and crusty crust. While only taste and texture really govern for me personally, others seem to prefer and demand the big "nooks and crannies". Many who like to spread "stuff" on bread slices enjoy being able to cram that stuff (mayo, preserves, mustard etc.) right into the crumb. Suffice to say I'm keen to see your examination of 100% whole grain doughs, especially if you address this issue of the crumb "openness". My gut is telling me to add one or two additional hours of "stretch and folds". Next, I'm going to try to increase the hydration rate in 5% increments to compensate for the extra "thirstiness" of whole grains. Overnight cold retard did not improve the outcome. Thanks for your enthusiasm!
@wesfree
For a "normal" loaf (whatever that is!) I don't understand the attraction of the large random air pockets. Yes, they're "required" for baguettes, ciabatta, etc., but if one wants to make a sarnie big holes are a big pain. Personally I'm very happy to produce a light even crumb in a "sandwich" bread.
I recently made similar using 60/40 strong white to whole meal and got great result. Followed the #130 recipe, the dough puffed up great, the crust was crunchy, the bread was soft & springy plus it tasted superb. As said as well the air bubbles were very small which was a bonus for spreading butter/marg. hope it’s helps a little.
@@brucerussell893 I think you misunderstand ... I'm looking to make a bread with 100% whole grain. My previous standard loaf was 20/80 but I have particular reasons for wanting to use 100% whole meal, while also obtaining an open crumb to suit my friends' tastes.
I would be interested to hear your recipe (though baking with 100% wholemeal is not practical during lockdown shortages!). I have had some success with 100% wholemeal rolls but loaves have always turned out too heavy for my liking. The recipe for the rolls involved low yeast quantity, a levain, and lots of time. Hence why I’m very interested in your secret for good 100% wholemeal without changing the times.
Thank you ☺️
this helped a lot . thanks
Thank you
Thanks for the video. Number 4 of your reasons really hit home for me.
You should write your own book talking about this stuff. I would buy it in an instant! Your own personal experience, knowledge and personal recipes and differences with flour types/yeast types. That would be an amazing purchase to me. Thanks for your hard work Jack!
Hmmmm wouldn’t that be a good idea… 🤔
Thanks I did all six things wrong.... sooo I guess Ill just keep trying and see if I can figure it out.
point 3 and 6 are my problems ... you are genius. i need to do it again ...
Your videos are my daily meditation 😍
Jack you never mentioned a room temperature. I have made bread for years and then stopped when i started working. Came back to it in my retirement and moved to a new house with vaulted ceilings and lots of windows. i can not get it to rise even giving extra time. so watching your videos it could be me on a few of your points. I will be more diligent. i use the proofing option on my oven or the light in the oven. Hoping what i learned today will help. Trying not to give up on it. I did subscribe to your weekly newsletters for encouragement.
It happened to me,the yeast was very slow the-yeast had passed date butI did fried bread delish thanks for all the tips keep on
I love your show. Please keep going.
Ok 🤗
Thank you, thank you, thank you.... I love getting this info it helps me so much.
Great bread wisdom as usual. I think you could give skincare tips too - your face is lovely!
I am one of those people Jack, I followed your recipe to a tee and guess what ? My bread came out better than ever.
Not dusting while kneading. That made a huge difference to me! I used to do that and it never had. A good texture always alluded me.
Yet another great video, I've recently built a proofing cabinet that has improved my "puffing" tremendously, PS I signed up for your bulletin last week, haven't received one yet, was looking forward to it this morning☹️
Thank you Jack, I have realised after watching this helpful video, its all in the science 😊
Erm.....and in my case, a little more patience thrown in....🍞🥖🍔😊
Thanks so much! My yeast rolls for Thanksgiving were a failure because they didn’t rise. However, the dough is elastic and very tasty. I’m going to use some of your tips to try and salvage it, and perhaps we can have lovely leftover sliders with our yeast rolls! Looking forward to more wonderful tips! ❤️amateur home “chef”
How did they turn out, Kathleen?
A tip from someone far less experienced.
If you buy your yeast in bulk and keep it in the fridge or even freezer, it lasts a while, but it *does* degrade.
Every now & again, activate the yeast with warm water & a bit of sugar before adding to the flour - if you're using instant yeast it's not really necessary, but it lets you know if the yeast is still vigorous or it's on its last legs and you need a new batch.
Oh, and keeping instant yeast in the freezer works far better than the fridge for me.
Thank you, thank you! Love the emphasis on patience, i shall try this =)!
good advice when talking about being patient and not waiting for dough to puff but instead do other things. because otherwise you have a feeling bread making is really time consuming.
I have been each person you described, all I could do was laugh. Thank you for alllll of the correction lol
Love from the Caribbean. Very informative video
Thank you for all your lessons!! I enjoy your video's
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I'm using starter and it didn't puff well but went over-fermentation (32C here), still getting to know more about it.
Great baking advice, given to you in the voice of a Guy Ritchie movie gangster. Love it! Subscribed
Thanks Jack!
Always a pleasure to see you! Looking forward to some whole-grain’s videos
Another helpful video. Thank you. I'm guilty of beint impatient and popping in the oven too soon and have also tried to replace 200g strong white with whole wheat. I"m back to following your recipe to the tee.
We love White Lily flour for cakes and light biscuits, but King Arthur is better for yeast bread. Soft wheat vs hard flour does make a difference!
Thanks, Jack. Do you have a 100% whole wheat bread recipe for sandwiches? Most seem to include AP flour. I'm a longtime fan and love your videos!
Just use the same amount of flour that you would AP but add more water because whole wheat needs more water
Any tips on what to do when working with home milled wheat flour? It puffs up a bit, but is still denser. Leave it to rest any longer and it starts turning sour. I use yeast 2% of flour.
Your a hoot... I'm going to subscribe. good job well done...
I followed your advice and started baking my bread from a cold oven - I just shove it in, switch the oven on and forget it for about an hour, then I tip it out of its baking tin, put it back in the oven, switch off the oven and leave it again. Jack, my bread goes _skywards_ - I have better rising then _ever before_ !
Just found and enjoy all your advice. I've just reinstated my frustrated pizza-making advocation after 15-20 years. I'm impatient and my drafty old NYC house doesn't help though is still summer. You sound almost exactly like Peter Noone. From same place? Let's hear a verse of "Kind of Hush" 😄
Hi. Ur videos are awesome and we get to learn a lot. My request is to make an video using kitchen aid mixer. Due to some health reasons I am unable to knead using hands.
Love your viedos mate, been doing a lot of sourdough and getting better each time! Would love to see more recipes especially sweet ones and other methods apart from yeast or sourdough.
Chain Baker is great. He has something you might like- Preferments Explained | Poolish, Biga, Sponge, Pâte Fermentée
Vito Iacopelli can teach you how to make your own fresh yeast from dry yeast.
Culinary Exploration has some amazing videos.
I just started to have some sourdough bread succes! Largely thanks to your videos. I mainly learned to take it easy and give it time (I have a cold kitchen). Also trying out the scrapings method has really helped. No more tears over discarced sourdough starter! I feel way more motivated to bake bread now.
I do cheat a bit. I use water that is slightly warmer (28-30 degrees) for my starter and loafs. It seems to help get the fermentation started earlier.
By the way, any thoughts on experimenting with different water types? My tap water breads are OK, but I have an idea that softer water types might change the texture of the bread.
Loving the energy!!
You EARNED another subscriber !
DUSTING while kneading? GUILTY - and I DIDN'T even know this was a "thing" - thanks !
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Great advice for newbies jack...
Hoped I had found your channel 2 years ago 😁
Ive got enough experience in the past two years so I got that working for me...I made a lot of error in those past years tho
you're telling me people have been staring at the dough for an hour to rise?? woah that's dedication.
Add one more thing to your recipe.... a "TO-DO" list of small tasks that you can tackle while waiting for your bread to rise. I am getting a lot more done around the house since I started baking bread.
With a little practice one gets into a routine. I mix a poolish the evening before I want to bake, typically a night before I'm due to work at home. Then I time the next steps to coincide with natural breaks in my day. For instance, main mix and knead after breakfast before starting work (15 minutes). If necessary, stretch and fold while kettle boils and tea brews during the morning. Shape and leave to prove at lunchtime. Bake when ready.
It's also all a great excuse to walk up and down stairs and to ensure I drink enough during the day ;-)
Amazing points .
Don’t get me wrong, Jack is awesome!! Just saying theres really no STRICT rules in sourdough bread making. His method works really well! Just depending on climate, humidity, oven, altitude, type of flour, refridegeration length can affect the outcome.
Good word "puff" puff puff puff puff.
Can't dust in a bowl. Our house is cold. Float the container of starter in warm water. 85°f about. Add warm water to that. Then make dough an leaf rest in bowl covered over that warm water. Then the final rise will be in same warm inviroment. That's probably why before all this the heaviest were cold. House at 70°f ish. And winter. But is rising Nicky right now. Thanks Jack for your warm comments!
Oh Jack, you nailed it!! I remember some years ago when I was making bread in a bread making machine I threw all the ingredients in and left out the yeast!!! Oh gosh, when I opened the lid, there was this nicely baked brick in the bottom 😞 Was I disappointed!! I immediately thought it was the yeast that had expired, then I did that simple test and the yeasted water rose to the occasion 😂
Waiting is more difficult when baking with sourdough.
Bro Jack, you gotta do more videos. You're killing me!
Excellent, although I am distracted by the terrible paint job in the corner of the room!
Hi jack! I really enjoy watching your videos, and I have learned a lot by doing so. I have a question though. Recently we bought several bags of flour and stored part of it in the freezer. My question is will the frozen flour have any negative affects to my starter when I feed it? I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone address this topic before, so thanks in advance for your reply. Keep the good stuff coming! 😁
Great video with a lot of great info!! :-)
May I please ask you why do we knead two times? First knead then let the dough puff up for 30 minutes, then knead again where you knead most of the air out and the first 30 min seems wasted then do you cut it out to maybe buns and then let it puff up all over again. Why not knead once and cut out and let it puff up and then in the oven? :-)
Thanks for your sharing, I prove the dough in the pan to 90% full then I put it into the pre heated oven at 180 degree Celsius, it didn't puff up to 100 % or much higher than my bread pan that I saw hthe chef did for his bread ! I wonder what was wrong. Thanks
When I wait though it often over proves and collapses. Even when I do the push test where it slowly springs back after shaping it doesn’t rise well
Yes,thats it I'm so excited and impatient waiting for the dough...
Hahaha its funny I like your green eyes !!!