Ideally you don't want to stop until you leave the meadow but you also want a well made bale not a cone shaped bale. The use of plastic instead of net is a huge step forward though. The one thing about a combi is one shouldn't need to stop every sixty bales of so to change rolls of plastic wrap there should be an auto loader for plastic wrap and this should at least contain 6 to 10 rolls of pre loaded wrap.
The fusion may have the best wrapper system, but the Kuhn is the best baler, and the way it can do film binding is by far the best and very heavily patented. It uses standard 750mm rolls of film
Agri videos Dumfries I don't agree with you on this. I have been using Fusion since 2007 till last year but also I had pleasure use Welger and Claas, in New Zealand I have been around Krone. Back few years ago my boss send me to help his friend contractor as well who was running Khun combi baler. Apart I passed him with bale count by over 60 I did had to pull him out when he got stuck because of double axle on wet land. He also had trouble picking up wet stuff pick up was covered in mud because baler was sinking down grass was jamming in the pick up. Not that he didn't have experience baler just couldn't take conditions. Its fine to work without pressure but when the weather is breaking and every farmer wants you then you can see what Fusion can do when you really push this machine to the limit.
@@model6080 surely a single axle goes down quicker than a tandem? They're the same weight at just over 6 tonne and the tandem axle balers have a bigger footprint even when the single axle is on wider tyres
@@Mr93JWM well if that would be 100% right what you saying most of contractor's in Ireland would have double axle balers but they choosing Fusion. Single axle on wide tyres is easier to pull than 2 axels. Plus you have much bigger ground clearance with Fusion as she is high.
Dose any one have experience with the Vicon fast bale, what are they price wise and what reliability is like, would love to hear from you some one who has done 30k to 50k bales with one.
Well...Mchale must be the most "under developed" baler of these.. They haven't managed to make an Isobus control on it yet ffs...There's too much distance between the pick-up and rotor so it clogs up on short grass... and if you should manage to fill the chamber with short grass the bale *will* get stuck between the rollers on the wrapper...They may be fast under perfect conditions but that's all. The chopping is no good, and there's not much grass in the bales compared to the other balers.. I could go on and on, but there's no need... you catch the drift.. :))
Yea must be a fusion fanboy, the McHale is quite far behind in many respects as mentioned. It's just fast because of the transfer. Nothing special about a fusion bale and that intake is the worst.
Fusion fusion fusion !!! The others are a waste of time compared to it. Mchale may design one that can bale continuously without any stopping like the vicon
killickfarms yes it would be very good but not for very heavy crops like we have here in Ireland because then you have to drop gear or 2 and daily output is smaller.
I demoed a kverneland fastbale and I thought it was a piece of shit. The absolute most it can do is 57/60 bales an hour. In a heavy crop you still have to stop because it's not fast enough. It runs out of time to do everything. I also demoed a mchale fusion3 plus and I loved it. But what guys are saying here about the distance between pickup and rotor gives you hard time with short wet material. That is true. Bale transfer is quick. Wrapping is quick. I was doing 65 bales an hour baling and wrapping in a light crop. Doing 16mph and wrapper didnt care. I bought a new claas 455 because you can make 48-53" bales instead of only one size like all the rest of them. It has 2 more rolls of wrap storage than the rest of them. It has MPS which will put more in a bale. And for me they had a better financing deal at the time which also helped me. It was a toss up between mchale and claas.
For me it's between the Fusion and the Knverland but the Knverland edges it purely because I don't like stopping😅
Very smooth bale transfer on the JD.
Ideally you don't want to stop until you leave the meadow but you also want a well made bale not a cone shaped bale. The use of plastic instead of net is a huge step forward though. The one thing about a combi is one shouldn't need to stop every sixty bales of so to change rolls of plastic wrap there should be an auto loader for plastic wrap and this should at least contain 6 to 10 rolls of pre loaded wrap.
Sometimes it’s good to get out of the tractor and move
The fusion may have the best wrapper system, but the Kuhn is the best baler, and the way it can do film binding is by far the best and very heavily patented. It uses standard 750mm rolls of film
Agri videos Dumfries I don't agree with you on this. I have been using Fusion since 2007 till last year but also I had pleasure use Welger and Claas, in New Zealand I have been around Krone. Back few years ago my boss send me to help his friend contractor as well who was running Khun combi baler. Apart I passed him with bale count by over 60 I did had to pull him out when he got stuck because of double axle on wet land. He also had trouble picking up wet stuff pick up was covered in mud because baler was sinking down grass was jamming in the pick up. Not that he didn't have experience baler just couldn't take conditions. Its fine to work without pressure but when the weather is breaking and every farmer wants you then you can see what Fusion can do when you really push this machine to the limit.
@@model6080 Perhaps you are right with the Fusion, I have no experience with it. But comparing kuhn vs claas, kuhn is far better than claas
@@model6080 surely a single axle goes down quicker than a tandem? They're the same weight at just over 6 tonne and the tandem axle balers have a bigger footprint even when the single axle is on wider tyres
@@Mr93JWM well if that would be 100% right what you saying most of contractor's in Ireland would have double axle balers but they choosing Fusion. Single axle on wide tyres is easier to pull than 2 axels. Plus you have much bigger ground clearance with Fusion as she is high.
@@model6080 the chamber is a long way up for sure but that wrapper ring doesn't take much to pop off. Each to their own, both have banefits ✌️
We won't need any wrappers at the rate of sun we are getting now 😂😂
how do farmers make money a baling and wraping 6 euro abale to wrap and bale including vat and have 220k of machinery to pay for
We don’t make money. Only time a farmer is rich is when he sells his farm.
lot cheaper to do your own here in nz. Full contract job here is around the $50nzd/bale. 25pound.
Dose any one have experience with the Vicon fast bale, what are they price wise and what reliability is like, would love to hear from you some one who has done 30k to 50k bales with one.
Contractor has one but not as good as my krone in my opinion
Vicon and Kverneland is the same
Why hasn't someone come up with a self propell baler wrapper?
Tomherbs krone did in 2002...
And Wermeer has got one right now. As a consept it look realy good.
@@erikhakansson495 It's only a baler of 5' x 5' bales. No wrapping
Who won the race?
No claas?
Good video
I'll stick with my claas uniwrap.
What model do you have?
I stick with the Kverneland fast bale
Fusion all the way!!
They only need to review the fusion 3 nothing will touch it
Bullshite....
:))
Can't believe the massive disparity between the Fusion and rest of them. They seem so under developed compared to it.
Well...Mchale must be the most "under developed" baler of these.. They haven't managed to make an Isobus control on it yet ffs...There's too much distance between the pick-up and rotor so it clogs up on short grass... and if you should manage to fill the chamber with short grass the bale *will* get stuck between the rollers on the wrapper...They may be fast under perfect conditions but that's all. The chopping is no good, and there's not much grass in the bales compared to the other balers.. I could go on and on, but there's no need... you catch the drift.. :))
I think the only one baler overdeveloped is the Fastbale from Kverneland. All the rest still need to stop for netting
Yea must be a fusion fanboy, the McHale is quite far behind in many respects as mentioned. It's just fast because of the transfer. Nothing special about a fusion bale and that intake is the worst.
The pottinger waste of time you would be waiting for bale
Yea thats an abortion of an idea that thing.
Looks as if the film is slowed down painful to watch
What a badly made video,you can make no conclusion out of this.!
코리아 mchale fusion3 plus no.1 to be fastest
Fusion fusion fusion !!! The others are a waste of time compared to it. Mchale may design one that can bale continuously without any stopping like the vicon
Krone has had that for many years now...
@@mattafakkah he was talking about Mchale not Krone.
killickfarms yes it would be very good but not for very heavy crops like we have here in Ireland because then you have to drop gear or 2 and daily output is smaller.
They be only any good in very light crops if you are doing anything over 10 bales + @ acre it wouldn't work it full the prechamber to fast
I demoed a kverneland fastbale and I thought it was a piece of shit. The absolute most it can do is 57/60 bales an hour. In a heavy crop you still have to stop because it's not fast enough. It runs out of time to do everything. I also demoed a mchale fusion3 plus and I loved it. But what guys are saying here about the distance between pickup and rotor gives you hard time with short wet material. That is true. Bale transfer is quick. Wrapping is quick. I was doing 65 bales an hour baling and wrapping in a light crop. Doing 16mph and wrapper didnt care. I bought a new claas 455 because you can make 48-53" bales instead of only one size like all the rest of them. It has 2 more rolls of wrap storage than the rest of them. It has MPS which will put more in a bale. And for me they had a better financing deal at the time which also helped me. It was a toss up between mchale and claas.