The REAL Reason Jiraiya Was FORBIDDEN To Be An Edo Tensei!
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2025
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Naruto’s fourth ninja war brought back a bunch of power shinobi as edo tensei and as we all know Kabuto couldn’t reanimate Jiraiya due to not being able to find his body at the bottom of the ocean, but there’s another reason we never got edo tensei jiraiya. Did you know Kishimoto flat out refused to reanimate jiraiya when it was proposed to him by one of his editors at weekly shonen jump? The reason being is that Kishimoto drew a red line saying Jiraiya couldn’t come back, because of these two reasons. He wasn’t sure how to draw the interaction of kcm naruto vs jiraiya and the other reason is he felt that Naruto meeting jiraiya again would undue Naruto’s character development that he got after Jiraiya died. He felt this way because Jiraiya’s death allowed Naruto to feel what Sasuke did with the uchiha massacre and it allowed him to truly understand sasuke’s pain. Another meeting with Jiraiya would have taken that away and wasn’t needed the same way Sasuke needed to meet Itachi in order to get his closure. While it sucks for fans, this was the right choice.
The REAL Reason Jiraiya Was FORBIDDEN To Be An Edo Tensei!
The REAL Reason Jiraiya Was NOT An Edo Tensei!
Happy Kishimoto stuck to his guns
Not exactly... Kashin Koji...
To be real I’m not you telling me we don’t get more development and more drama from Naruto essentially having to go through the conflict of can he kill Jiriyah or not then we could get a classic flashback to the land of waves mission where Naruto stabs his hand therefore strengthening his resolve even more.
Naw
I’m not
@@Blackpheonix99he never met naruto... naruto just thought he looked familiar
I’m glad Jiraiya wasn’t reanimated. It makes his final scene sinking into the dark depths of the oceans and his last thoughts more impactful, and it enables Naruto’s growth to last.
His growth I'm not sure about
What growth? Naruto is a Gary Stu.
They could have reanimated him, if you read chapter 520 kabuto says Danzo’s right eye had enough DNA and 6 paths weapons had enough jiraiya dna to reanimate both, obito says don’t push your luck to kabuto with kabuto saying well never mind he’s got enough pawns anyway.
“Let’s just reanimate his father instead”
which makes sense.
Well , he never met him, that's good opportunity
Father not main Father Figure (Sorry Hiruzen your more of a grandfather figure)
@@casualtheeduelistexactly
He was born around the time his father died so they never had a legitimate interaction
Jiraiya was my fav character. When he died I quit reading for a while. But Kishimoto made the right call.
Lmao but there really no deaths in the show at all, they have to have some deaths
I honestly believed they shoulda had more deaths in the show, I mean there’s just so many characters, but then they just add in so no faces that have 0 skill whatsoever and kill them off as if it actually shows us how scary the situation is, or they just bring them back to life
I mean seriously the show needed more death with the main character groups, that sai painting guy decently shoulda been whiped out after we got to know him good, maybe choji, ten ten, I think neji was a horrible call tbh and I believe the show needed way more death, I mean we never saw him fight Lee or susake which was made out like they was for sure gonna happen, Lee should have atleast got to fight him before he died
Guy should have 1000% died… I mean seriously they bring him back from that🤦🏻♂️
Show needs to stop catering to cry baby’s and kill some of there main and loved characters off… especially when they’re so many, I mean we never even got to experience the hate or pain people really feel towards other villages… having the villages from other places kill a couple of our main characters would have perfectly showed that
When everyone survives all the times we never got it at all
@@Miyamoto8Musashi bro… don’t you know that the anime almost didn’t happen because of the amount death that was in it??
@@Spyderbug death? Who?
The nobody’s? The blank faces they killed off in the war an shi?
Surely you’re not gonna count that…
I’m talking mainly for the main characters btw, so I don’t want you talking about enemy’s, or the akaski
I’m taking mainly for the main characters, you know the hidden leaf… they’re so many characters but not very many deaths in the show at all around them
With how many episodes are in the show and how many characters they are, I mean who all really died?
Neji, Asuma, jiraya? I know they was a couple more but I mean come on… plus there’s sooooooo many characters and sooo many episodes
I know for a fact you’re talking about enemy deaths or no faces deaths so your argument really doesn’t work at all for what I’m talking about, cause there just was hardly anyone in the hidden leaf within the main character base that was dieing, and with as many as they are and episodes they were, they basically killed off nobody
@@Spyderbug bet you could count the deaths of the main cast from the leaf on one hand
Enemy deaths and no face characters who was legit just invented to die off do not count, I mean that should kinda go without saying I would have thought but I guess not
@@Miyamoto8Musashii agree, for a show about ninjas, war, violence, ect; virtually no one died
RIP Master Jaraiya
They ain’t have to jump him like that.
Period
But in a literal sense they HAD to😂😭😭
@@noahcarver8481 Otherwise THEY would've been 6-feet-under, not him! 👌
And sasuke didn’t realize Naruto’s pain until he realize he had a brother 💯
Oh yeah menma
@@Madison-h7she’s talking about sasuke recognizing itachi cared for him💀
What?? Sasuke learned/understood naruto's pain of being isolated and alone, sometime after the Uchiha massacre. And naruto realized Sasuke's pain also.
However even though some feelings were similar some were also different bc they were different events/trauma they experienced.
Here we go again with the itachi retcon bs
Lol😂
So the man actually remembers crucial plot points.
This comment feels like a shot at Toriyama sensei.
But proceeds to destroy the series using kaguya
💀💀💀
Kishimoto: it would cheapen the story.
Team: dang… that’s why he’s in charge.
I can imagine that 😂
It's too bad he didn't flat-out refuse Kaguya and the Black Zetsu non-sequitr "twist" that had no setup whatsoever. If there was some kind of setup it could've worked, maybe Burrito would've even turned out better. But as it was, Obito and Madara were the "big baddies" with Madara being the ultimate enemy. I really wish I knew exactly what Kishimoto had planned for the end before whoever at Shonen Jump (or whatever company the change came from) forced him into pulling a sequel baiting new ending out of thin air.
@@mikeexits the only hint of that was Zetsu appearing after Naruto vs Sasuke
@@juanfera7996No not really, the only hint before Kaguya's reveal was when Hagaromo was talking to Naruto and Sasuke when he gave them the sun and moon seals among other things. Although some people have tried convincing me that the Kaguya Clan and Kimimaru were the hint of Kaguya I still can't believe it as it just reeks of us to me.
@@bubblegumwarrior6731 then whats the explanation behind Zetsu in the first Naruto vs Sasuke
Jiraiya was my favorite character since I was a kid. I remember 14 year old me absolutely sobbing. Here I am in my mid 20s and I’ve never forgotten that moment.
A perfect example of the phrase "Kill your darlings". As a writer you must always do what's best for the story, not what's best for your editors or what your fans want to see. They're reading YOUR story, not the other way around, if they could do this you'd be reading their stories instead.
I feel like the biggest thing to consider is that the loss of Jiraiya wasn't just felt by Naruto as a character, but by the audience as well. Him staying gone, intentionally or not, is representative of the fact that sometimes you need to cope with loss and no matter what happens it's not just magically getting undone. You need to learn to make your peace with it and move on.
I feel like it would be a good moment for jiraiya & Naruto just to see how far he’s come & seeing minato Naruto and jiraiya do a 3 man rasengan would’ve been crazy
See thats what I wanted to see and naruto wouldn't have to fight him I reckon seeing naruto controlling kuramas power would've undone his soul and set it free I think they missed out on such a touching moment that would've made fans minds explode I would go straight damn ape noises and all if that happened
Boruto Spoiler alert:
He kinda does. In Boruto, jiraya knows sasuke is from the future. Seeing how strong Sasuke is, he can easily match naruto was stronger in order to bring Sasuke back. He did achieve the one thing he wanted the most besides being hokage.
Nah it wouldn't have been a good idea
@@FingerThatOfacts you could see it in jiraiya eyes when he looks at sasuke
Kishimoto made the right call 👌
Did he]?
Kcm vs sage mode jiraya sounds peak ngl
Well sage mode Naruto almost beat pain so I don’t think kcm Naruto vs sage jiraiya would be very interesting
@@Saki-MaloWith the massive help of Kurama, outside info about Pain and how his rinnegan worked, and Minato (without him Kurama would’ve just took over).
@Saki-Malo if Naruto was in the same exact situation as Jiraya he would have gotten smoked.... low diff
Glad to see others responses
Would of been better for Jiriaya vs Tsunade and or Orochimaru or Sasuke
It sucks. But Kishimoto made the right choice
i wish he did whith kaguya
As a writer, I completely understand. Sometimes, when you write a characters death, it needs to stick. Under no circumstance can you undermine the value of a characters life.
Fr fr we don’t need characters dying then easily coming back because of some dragon balls type of shit. Lessens the impact of the moment and makes it feel more like a nuisance in the plot.
What asuma and itachi?
Based. Totally based
Jiraiya and Itachi are both goats 🐐
That, and also the fact that he would have been too powerful. Not in the actual fights but in his influence. Can you imagine how much Jiraiya's presence would boost everyone's morale? Everyone in the final war would be glad to see the greatest teacher and his most talented students on their side. Tsunade's determination, too, would skyrocket seeing her oldest and most genuine ally on her side. Naruto was a power house during that time, with only his father being there. If Jiraiya was there too, he would have a significant morale lift. He would feel like as long as Jiraiya is at their side, no one can defeat them. The same goes for a lot of the other characters, such as Kakashi, Hiruzen, and the other kages, Guy, and the rest of the junior team. Jiraiya was hailed as a hero by almost all of the people who were there. As we all know that morale has a lot of influence when it comes to battles.
The regular folk in the war, too, would feel slightly at ease since they would think that they have the man who stopped wars by his mere presence, the man who trained Pain, the man who was offered to be the leader of one of the strongest villages many times but refused.
Jiraiya was a stepping stone for Naruto, and he, as a character, did his job perfectly in showing how much further growth potential Naruto had.
You could say that Kabuto not being able to find Jiraiya's body also foreshadows Kashin Koji's existence since he was made by Amado from the cells of Jiraiya to make Koji into a Jiraiya clone.
Or: they needed a reason to explain how the others could be reanimated and he couldnt... Other than the storyline reason.
Btw i dont think your argument is strong cause kishomoto could have kept him alive anyway and create kashin koji a different manner. Battle of the jirayas would go hard👀😊
Sadly Koji one taps meaning the fight would be one second 😔@@anoniem4136
We don’t talk about THAT anime
@@toocoolgames5700 why not
Are you implying kara took jiraiyas body before kabuto could get to it
Jiraiya wouldve definitely knew about remaking the contract ...his jutsu knowledge was greater than the 4th
Fair game
Crazy thing was even though jiraiya wasnt alive, hes spirit existed in the fulfillment of the child of prophecy
Kishimoto got it right bro. What a master
Jiraiya lives.💯
That's why kishimoto is in charge. He really knew how to handle any circumstances
Except when he put kaguya in the series unfortunately
@@kamachan6170 no, it was part of the plan bro. Since that most fans doesn't have any ideas of kaguya that much he makes it possible for the viewers to know and see kaguya in her form during the end part of the series..
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the reason why Kishimoto had Jiraiya die this way. Like he was already working the permanence of his death in so that Naruto's character development would be permanent too.
Honestly, it would've been cool if edo jiraiya was brought back and had him interact with orochimaru and tsunade and have him break out edo tensei . The three of them would've faced sage mode kabuto. Then, have him hear about Naruto mastering sage mode and going back to the after life.
Definitely can't be mad at that I understand 💯💪
We did not need reanimated jiraiya. That was the right choice.
This is how you write. You gotta keep the deep lore intact.
Gotta agree with the author. Naruto didn't need closure like Sasuke, Naruto always knew his sensei believed in him
They made him 'kinda' written in, in that scene where naruto was flying over branches and than you see a frame of "ghost hand jiraya tapping naruto on the shoulder'.
even tho its not a real return i think that was needed as well, to show the public that even tho hes not there he watches over Naruto still.
Maybe a theory but as we saw spirits can travel from the realm to mind (like obito did to kakashi). What if Jirayas soul always looked over Naruto?
As much as i would like that obito had to leave to the pure land after that. He never said or made it seem like he could come back to see kakashi again instead made it seem like hes gonna spend forever with rin till kakashi comes to the pure land
I didnt say that..i said he said to rin she had to wait a little longer and than he teleported to that realm to help kakashi by giving him his eyss @@juhoonmania9912
I love the Boruto time travel to the past. If you can make that happen, then anything can happen. There's no such thing as never.
@@anoniem4136 he was dead how can he do that bro really defied the laws of nature 🤣
not his physical body but his spirit. @@Sonic-q6i
Woulda been super sick to see naruto battle jiraya and both in sage mode the emotional battle woulda been epic
The ONLY way it'd be cool to have done Jiraiyia as an Edo Tensai, is if he faced the "changed" Orochimaru and Tsunade, and not Naruto. They definitely couldn't involve Naruto, WHATSOEVER! But him hearing about it wouldve been a great motivator. You simply could not have had them interact, PERIODD! But, it'd have been great closure for JIRAIYIA to see Orochimaru. 💯
Nah, Naruto would have likely sensed Jiraiya's presence, the way he did with Minato and the other hokages, and immediately sent a clone or himself to find him given his personality. Kishi is right, Naruto's character would have been hard to write around Jiraiya without somewhat butchering his progression of moving on.
@@Somesomeso Still I just want the Sannin to reunite again 😭
@@muhammadsaeedhassan6870 Agreed. 🥹
@@Somesomeso Very true. But who's to say it isn't a fight that's ended rather quickly! Or Jiraiya finds a way to release, or better yet, appears right before the reanimation is released..? That could work, but it'd be difficult to incorporate. Especially with the time constraints they gave him.
That mental nerf would've allowed pervy sage to be the brakes off Naruto for a couple of episodes lol
facts
Him meeting Jiraiya would've taken away from how special and impactful those moments with Minato were
What do you mean he had already met minato and kushina in the training
"too much hair, I aint drawin that shit"
It would've 100% doubled back on Naruto's character development, and I'm glad they didn't do that.
Bro snuck Zabuza in there and thought we wouldn't notice
Man idc bring back jiraiya. I miss him
I would've liked to see one last interaction with Naruto and Jiraiya but I'm fine with the outcome
I’m not gonna lie when I first read the manga when, minatos edo finally got released I know everyone was feeling that sadness but joy for him it was heartwarming and breaking at the same time. When he was telling him to relay info back to kushina about him, it was heavy,very mature of him he was not being a prissy whinny little bitch like sauce. But I felt Naruto needed to say good bye to erosennin
@pakito546 yeah just one last time
Its called artistic integrity.
Let's say Jiraiya was reanimated? It would've been HELL!! to take him down.
Not really Naruto would probably just refuse to fight him, it would have been interesting. To say the least
Fr I love how devoted he was to try to make the Naruto series as perfect as possible and I personally think he got it close to perfection, the more altered versions I see the more I love the original.
If they did Reanimated Jiraya it would be cool if he heard of Naruto's development and did something similar to what Itachi did and broke free from Kabuto's control. I could see Jiraya working in the background to foil Kabuto's & Obito's Plans.
Itachi only broke free though by using Kotoamatsukami on himself from the crow. Not even Madara was powerful enough to break Kabutos control and only managed to live because he forced Obito to use Rinne Rebirth.
@@Noobie2k7 I know I watched it and was dang, Itachi is such a Chad 🗿
strong emotion could undo edo tensei, i believe he would get emotional impacted and broke free
@@romasliv Hell yeah, plot armor
@@Noobie2k7 Madara did by using the reverse Edo Tensei to rescind the contract. And i am willing to bet Jiraya knows the hand signs to do it.
Man knew his story and didn't let some editor eff it up.
Love that
I wish he had those convictions with so many other things - especially the resurrection of the entire village from pain
Seriously. Talk about inconsistent 😂
Kishimoto probably just forgot about jiraiya like he did to tenten.
I honestly think one of the reasons edo tensai jiraiya never happened is because jiraiya was smart enough hed know the reanimation release like madara did and itd make problems for kabuto
I like that idea as it would have been insurance to prevent Orochimaru from using Reanimation to bring him back if he died in battle! Basically a way to prevent Orochimaru from using him against the Leaf! If Orochimaru tried, Jiraya would release the Jutsu to avoid being Orochimaru's puppet!
This should be a bonus manga chapter honestly. Have Kabuto raise Jiraiya, then Jiraya asks Kabuto is what he is going to be used for. After he gets his anser, he says "I'm not helping, bye!" and releases the jutsu.
Initially, I understood and even agreed with this thought, but then, I realized that there’s no way it would undo what Naruto experienced because experiences can’t be undone. For example, let’s say that as a kid, you had a bad habit of not looking both ways when you had to cross the street. Then, one day, you just narrowly avoided being run over and killed. Unless you’re just that dense, even though you didn’t die, you’d likely never forget that experience as it changes your outlook on life and behavior from that point on. I still don’t have any issues with the decision to exclude Jiraiya, but, if Naruto seeing him again after his death would’ve undone what Naruto felt upon learning of his death, then, what does that say for Team 10 and any of the others that were reunited during this part of the war?
What if Kabuto couldn't reanimate Jiraiya because Amado took his body to create Kashin Koji.
I can get behind this 300% and wish others could too
Is that from Boruto? But that is not canon :/
Didn't even exist the idea of boruto 🤣
@@thespeculativemusicianBoruto is canon wth💀
@@imcarnage They say that to cope bro
That made more sense than him scaping the idea of Yahiko/Tendo being Naruto's elder brother. That would have a interesting idea since he destroyed the Hidden-Leaf but that idea was already established with Sasuke and Itachi.
Edo tensei as a whole was a mistake
Of all the things in Naruto I completely agree it was one of the biggest mistakes. Totally nullifies the consequences of death while making the reanimated people insanely OP. Unlimited chakra? How the fuck did these things not take over the world sooner, let alone with ease?
Always gotta love when an Author sticks to their own narrative continuity
The real reason:
"I am the answer to this jutsu."
~Itachi of the Hidden 🍃-
😂😂😂
Dude gave more thought to Jiraiya's corpse than to Lee's whole story. RIP Student Of The Strongest.
Okay but the whole "naruto was able to now understand sasuke's pain when the uchiha clan was massacred" seems kinda bs. They dont even touch up on that in particular after he died. Naruto was sad for like, a day.
And technically Naruto did experience the same thing. as the Uzumakis were hunted to near extinction long before the Uchihas.
Thank you that was very good❤
That's why edo tensai is a forbidden jutsu😂
Yeah i prefer the whole Kashin Koji thing.
Where its similar to orochirmaru making a child clone like Mitsuki.
A new character made from an old one but made to have the perfect body and jutsus so they can fit in with the current power scaling. And it doesn't cheapen the death because its still a new person rather than a reanimated body.
Honestly I need a Naruto and Kashin Koji talk at some point.
He was truly an artist 😢
Great decision Kishimoto👏🏿
Good Call indeed
Would have been cool if Jiraya got reanimated away from the battle, sees how far Naruto came and comments how proud he is and then just undoes the Edo Tensei on himself
Kashin koji : 🗿
Thanks for this. Good for updates with lore and passion revision. Indeed a remake might occur
Jiraiya death is what takes Naruto to that next level like shit really got real when he died.
He was just too op to be reanimated
HELL YEAH I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE REASON WAS THE ART STYLE AND THE PAIN FOR NARUTO he did the best thing ever
Facts, I'm glad he did it the way he did
Plus he'd be able to use his sage mode affectively which would've been badass to see him able to go at his full potential but it was ultimately the best choice
He can reanimate Jiraiya but, Jiraiya can realise edo tensei.
How tho? He’d be under comeplete control and the 2nd couldn’t even do it. Kabuto is not on hashis lvl
Jiraiya's death made my cry
Naruto could have learned what Sasuke felt sooner if the 3rd hokage wasnt such a dick to him
He needs his own series ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
That’s actually pretty thoughtful. Kudos to Kishimoto for making that decision.
Kish is a genius, good choice!!
Take a shot for every time the director says "Uhh" or "Umm".
Dudes basically back in boruto . Kojin koji. The clone of jiraiya
eh, that is more like a batman beyond type of character to me (long story short, Terry McGinnis is a scientifically created cloned son of Batman and he ends up becoming batman as Bruce Wayne is long retired by that point).
MAybe... he isn't dead and is just exploring in another world. Maybe he's a toad now.
Great video
As always on point and well thought out. Love your background lore content.
In Boruto they went back in time and seen him tho so that was enough for fans❤️ I definitely loved it
Down gooooooood break down homie
The fact Kishimoto gave pretty much every other character some closure with their dead sensei or loved one besides Naruto is definitely a choice
Should have made it more impactful that pein/nagato retrieved jiraiyas corpse but gave him a proper cremated burial that destroyed any dna traces of him
Seeing Zabuza again made me happy
Kishi you legend
Jiraiya vs Allied Shinobi Forces would’ve been terrifying.
I honestly feel like he could have wrote it in to where he constantly breaks free of the control after he fights Naruto a few mins allowing Naruto to open up even more potential
Just watched the episode where he died. You can undo that. It’s was to sad and powerful. (Watching Naruto for the first time currently.)
Great writing
Let’s not forget also that Jiraiya’s death at the time was more recent. When Itachi came back, more time has passed since that exact moment, making Kishimoto able to do it. If Jiraiya were to come back at that time, then his death wouldn’t have ended in a cliche, and shonēn jump loves to do that.
Bro brought him back anyway 😂
He also forgot about Yamamoto the wood style user, just vanished never to be spoken of again. Written off
That and bringing Jiraiya back is gg for the ninja world.
Plus we got Asuma back and that was...
Bringing back jiraiya and allowing him to be controlled would’ve destroyed his character as an ultimate undercover bad ass
Facts and itachi reanimated himself through the crow in Naruto’s eye he a genius
Bro when fans try to tell the creator how to do his jobs haha. Its like a regular civilian telling a marine how to fight.