The scene when Gyllenhaal is in the basement is one of the creepiest scenes in recent cinema. Oh, and "I'm not the Zodiac. And if I was, I certainly wouldn't tell you."
Here's to the most unsung review channel, all the way from New Orleans. I literally watch yall just to listen and do random things, I even have been watching more movies, due to yall recommendations. Yall epitomize excellency.
The original case is already an incredible history and an important part of American culture, Fincher and the producers made a good job translating those events and people into a cohesive film. No doubt directorial and artistic choices made it a compelling cinematic experience but are also the cast of incredible actors with likable and believable performances that makes the film work.
Always admired the scene early on, when it's in a moving car and you can see so clearly that the exterior is a modern day setting with modern Hondas and so forth
I remember getting to the end of the film on my first viewing and feeling so incredibly frustrated and disappointed that the case wasn't solved. But I realize that was exactly what I was supposed to feel. The film wants the viewer to feel the frustration of not having closure, of not solving the mystery in a satisfying way. If you feel that way at the end, then you know what everyone who has ever struggled with this case feels.
This movie is a masterpiece. Unfortunately I watched it when i was too young to understand the meaning and felt it was boring at the time. Rewatched it recently and loved it.
I've been waiting all night and all week for your newest dissection of a movie. Your uploads come around 3 am on Thursday. I absolutely love all of your content. Please please please keep it up guys. Much love from Catonsville Maryland....which is slightly out of Baltimore shitty lol.
I believe there is more recent evidence to suggest that Allen could not have been the killer- but who knows? It's a great film though and your review is spot on.
The shirts are always cool! I just wonder how Gary & Iain have the closet space to store 'em all? Or whether they just have them on loan for the day, in some kind of promotional deal? These are only SOME of the idle musings that help keep my brain busy all the livelong day....(!) 😆
I hate language like “they we’re gonna pick him up”. Questioning is either voluntary or you are under arrest. That’s it. No one is ever “taken in for questioning”.
I’ve been watching you guys for 8+ years. I need a review of A Bronx Tale. It’s the greatest film of all time imo. In the past I’ve notice y’all don’t like or gravitate towards romanticizing “gangsters” and this isn’t that kind of movie.
Recommend the series mindhunters to anyone who like this movie. Got another press based procedural movie for you guys. Spotlight. Also stars mark ruffalo alongside Michael Keaton. Despite the uncomfortable subject matter it's one of my favourites.
Thank you for the review of Zodiac, guys! This film is one of my favorites, and my opinion of the real-life story of the Zodiac Killer case is that it was Arthur Leigh Allen all along. I realize there is some evidence to suggest it was not Allen, but I still happen to agree with Robert Graysmith's opinion.
I know it's hailed by some as his masterpiece but I prefer seven, gone girl and .....panic room which really doesn't get enough praise as a perfect blockbuster.
I hear you guys talk about act 1,2 and 3 in different reviews. How do you know st which point of the movie the different acts start? They all just meld into one for me
Anyway I had just watched this movie a few months ago having forgotten how many good actors were in it and how great a movie it was. Nice job, guys! Thanks for the review. :)
Zodiac is the Perfect Christmass Movie. Indeed, Zodiac may be the Only Christmass Movie. One of Zodiac's Letters was decoded recently. Fascinating to think that People are still working on Zodiac's Encrypted Missives. This is a damn fine Movie. Thanks for the Review Guys. Great work!
Great review, agree with nearly all your comments. A cultural nexus in American modern history. Please check ALTERED STATES with the great William Hurt. A personal fave with tons of esoteric knowledge.
Another great movie another great analysis and review. Keep up the amazing work guys! Always look forward to your videos and back and forth which is top notch and natural. Cheers 🍻
I once spoke to a forensic psychologist about the Zodiac case and she agreed with me that someone who would send such letters to taunt the authorities would at least leave a letter of confession in their will. His ego would not be able to accept anonymity following death, he would want posthumous credit and recognition. So he'd still be alive or, like Arthur Leigh Allen, would have died unexpectedly at a relatively young age before leaving his confession.
Haha - now that I've been & gone & rewatched the superb Fincher 'Zodiac' flick, I can settle in & watch my always enjoyable "Online Movie Buddies" have a DAMN fine conversation about it! So THANK YOU for reminding me of a DAMN fine film, fellahs! 🥰 Y'know, whilst rewatching 'Zodiac', it struck me that the Zodiac Killer is the closest thing we have to a latterday Jack the Ripper. Not as to the modus operandi, but certainly with the tantalising clues (the Ripper's graffiti on the wall, his deliberately meaningful arranging of body parts), the letters taunting the police, & the absolute terror his short but vicious reign caused in the general populace. And of course, the fact that Jack & the Zodiac were never caught has guaranteed their place in serial killer history, WELL above & beyond all those other pathetic saddos, & limpdick psychopaths we all love & loathe! Y'know, I had completely forgotten that the film (like the book) pretty conclusively fingered one particular suspect, which actually ALSO parallels Jack the Ripper, as persuasively outlined in THEE very best book ever written about the Ripper, bar NONE - namely Bruce Robinson's 'They All Love Jack' (published in 2015). Not only does this book have the definitive, final word on the identity of the Ripper, but it also rather nicely nails the self-serving 'Ripperologist' industry, as well as the many hypocracies & failings of the pretty vile Victorian Era, to boot! At the risk of harping on about it (oops, too late!), I defy anyone to NOT be convinced as to the Ripper's identity after reading Robinson's hugely entertaining book. Dare I say, it's a RIPPING good read (I dared! I dared! LoL), with plenty of invective & righteous anger, as one might expect from the writer & director of the stone cold classic comedy, 'Withnail & I'. Phew! So go on, Gary & Iain & all my luvly "Shelf-Offerers" - watcha waitin' for??? Go read 'They All Love Jack'! You will NOT be disappointed*! (& no, I DON'T receive any commission on book sales, but maybe I SHOULD...Hmmm...) 🤔 😇😄 (*& if, by some freakish random act of chance you ARE disappointed, well, you only have yourself to blame. Grin!)
Btw the suspect you just mentioned, mostly likely being Jack the ripper I think he's profession was a butcher. I remember watching a documentary pointing this out.
@@supoa9489 Nope! He was an entertainer - a singer who had also penned one of the most popular songs of the time. But like I say - 'They All Love Jack' is the final word on it, imho. Trust me, Robinson's research was exhaustive - and the more he researched, the more he was astounded at how much evidence about the Ripper's actual identity wasn't that hard to discover, which naturally enough led to the obvious question "So why the so-called 'mystery'?" Well, those answers are in the book as well! LoL
Only saw this once back in the day and didn’t think much, but that was a lifetime ago and it’ll be worth another go. Fincher is a weird one for me. He made my favourite film ever in Fight Club, and one of the worst (for me) in Gone Girl. His stuff oscillates between those two extremes but his filmography is mostly good
I like how the guy getting stabbed in his back took it like a champ which probably saved his life where as the lady squirmed all over resulting in her getting stabbed everywhere and ultimately passing away.
Serial killers are such cowards. I'm pretty sure my father is one. He's been a suspect in several murders, and considered in others, and he was never tied to anything. I wish he had been.
I was intrigued by this movie, in the end it was nicely stylized and had great actors and directing, but I found it too long and at times boring and unsatisfying. I rather watch Alien 3 again 😁
I think Fincher makes it pretty clear what he thinks about rogue cops by having the Dirty Harry scene included. It was a shot at taking the law into your own hands and maybe a shot at Clint Eastwood? Why do you think they walked back the right wing politics in the sequel Magnum Force? I do completely believe Eastwood used the killings to his advantage with Dirty Harry; that is kind of............yuck IMO. Real people got brutally murdered and using it to make a movie with questionable ethics was not the best idea IMO; no matter how good the movie, it was still a bad idea. And while this is a very good film, it seems like this was the template for the excellent Mindhunter on Netflix which was a Fincher produced show. Great movie, but that show is even better than this movie. Both are certainly worth a watch if you haven't seen either.
The scene when Gyllenhaal is in the basement is one of the creepiest scenes in recent cinema. Oh, and "I'm not the Zodiac. And if I was, I certainly wouldn't tell you."
My heart was literally beating through my chest on first viewing.
@@UncleAnaesthesia Zodiac could be the scariest non horror film of the 20th century.
Here's to the most unsung review channel, all the way from New Orleans.
I literally watch yall just to listen and do random things, I even have been watching more movies, due to yall recommendations.
Yall epitomize excellency.
The original case is already an incredible history and an important part of American culture, Fincher and the producers made a good job translating those events and people into a cohesive film. No doubt directorial and artistic choices made it a compelling cinematic experience but are also the cast of incredible actors with likable and believable performances that makes the film work.
Zodiac (2007) is an incredibly compelling and rewatchable Film !
Definately :)
Always admired the scene early on, when it's in a moving car and you can see so clearly that the exterior is a modern day setting with modern Hondas and so forth
So mysterio, hulk and iron man try to find and stop the zodiac killer lol
At last, Zodiac. I've been waiting for this one. Good job guys, loved it!
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
Wrong movie, but good quote.
I remember getting to the end of the film on my first viewing and feeling so incredibly frustrated and disappointed that the case wasn't solved. But I realize that was exactly what I was supposed to feel. The film wants the viewer to feel the frustration of not having closure, of not solving the mystery in a satisfying way. If you feel that way at the end, then you know what everyone who has ever struggled with this case feels.
This movie is a masterpiece. Unfortunately I watched it when i was too young to understand the meaning and felt it was boring at the time. Rewatched it recently and loved it.
I always figured Ted Cruz was a little young to be the zodiac killer but the pieces all fit.
I've been waiting all night and all week for your newest dissection of a movie. Your uploads come around 3 am on Thursday. I absolutely love all of your content. Please please please keep it up guys. Much love from Catonsville Maryland....which is slightly out of Baltimore shitty lol.
A couple years before this there was a Disney classic film ‘Sky High’. Please look at that
There's definitely something kind of cathartic having the first and last lines in the film spoken by the same character. Kind of touching.
I saw this is 2007 in theaters and found it disturbing. Watched it couple years ago, wasn't as bad. Excellent film. Wish they caught the guy.
Love the T-shirts guys, awesome review as always
I believe there is more recent evidence to suggest that Allen could not have been the killer- but who knows? It's a great film though and your review is spot on.
Wooooooo OTSR tackles another Fincher flick. Also, great shirts this week.
The shirts are always cool! I just wonder how Gary & Iain have the closet space to store 'em all? Or whether they just have them on loan for the day, in some kind of promotional deal?
These are only SOME of the idle musings that help keep my brain busy all the livelong day....(!) 😆
i firmly believe that zodiac was arthur lee allen or that it was actually more than 1 killer..
We've all seen The Riddler in The Batman, right?
Great to see you guys' take on this movie! Loved the use of lighting in this.
This film was my introduction to the great David Fincher. I’ve always been fascinated by the Zodiac case, great review gents!
I hate language like “they we’re gonna pick him up”. Questioning is either voluntary or you are under arrest. That’s it. No one is ever “taken in for questioning”.
How crazy I saw this film last night and your guys are reviewing it today
Tony Stark, Bruce Banner Johnny Dharko and the doctor from ER team up to stop the zodiac killer.
Not Johnny Darko....actually it's Mysterio teaming up with Iron Man and the Hulk.
Dr Greene in E.R. was also Goose in Top Gun.
I’ve been watching you guys for 8+ years. I need a review of A Bronx Tale. It’s the greatest film of all time imo. In the past I’ve notice y’all don’t like or gravitate towards romanticizing “gangsters” and this isn’t that kind of movie.
Another great review from the best reviewers on youtube, i just love the passion you have, thanks guys, i would love to see you review 1408!
I think I read somewhere that the woman in the car with the baby is Donovan's daughter (the guy who sings hurdy gurdy man)
Don't forget he also directed The Game after Alien 3. One of his best films 👍🏻
One of The Best Films Ever Made !!!!!
Awesome! Thursday OTSR time! Have a good one, Shelfers! 👊 👊 👊
Great review guys with a real insight into the movie 👊
Thanks boys!! I'll give this one a watch!!
Recommend the series mindhunters to anyone who like this movie.
Got another press based procedural movie for you guys. Spotlight. Also stars mark ruffalo alongside Michael Keaton. Despite the uncomfortable subject matter it's one of my favourites.
Agreed. Mindhunters was a superb series.
I have a request! Please review LA Confidential! Thanks
Thank you for the review of Zodiac, guys! This film is one of my favorites, and my opinion of the real-life story of the Zodiac Killer case is that it was Arthur Leigh Allen all along. I realize there is some evidence to suggest it was not Allen, but I still happen to agree with Robert Graysmith's opinion.
That stabbing scene is so fucking horrendous to watch because its so realistic.
Awesome film and just recently the screenwriter James Vanderbilt wrote Scream 5 and produced the wonderful gem Ready or Not.
Absolute masterpiece film. As a representation of a real-life true crime case, I defy anyone to film this any better.
I know it's hailed by some as his masterpiece but I prefer seven, gone girl and .....panic room which really doesn't get enough praise as a perfect blockbuster.
I hear you guys talk about act 1,2 and 3 in different reviews. How do you know st which point of the movie the different acts start? They all just meld into one for me
Very creepy but very cool joker picture at the back of your room
Recently found your channel love your reviews!
Anyway I had just watched this movie a few months ago having forgotten how many good actors were in it and how great a movie it was. Nice job, guys! Thanks for the review. :)
Ooooh, a personal favourite. I think I watched it 10 times? I wonder if the directors cut is worth getting?
I’d love it if you did a review of The Game. Another great Fincher movie, so well shot, scripted, lit, performed…… excellence through and through
Enjoyed this film but I'd love these guys to cover Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Cure (1997).
Zodiac is the Perfect Christmass Movie. Indeed, Zodiac may be the Only Christmass Movie.
One of Zodiac's Letters was decoded recently. Fascinating to think that People are still working on Zodiac's Encrypted Missives. This is a damn fine Movie. Thanks for the Review Guys. Great work!
Great review, agree with nearly all your comments. A cultural nexus in American modern history. Please check ALTERED STATES with the great William Hurt. A personal fave with tons of esoteric knowledge.
Thanks guys
Very well done y'all!
Another great movie another great analysis and review.
Keep up the amazing work guys! Always look forward to your videos and back and forth which is top notch and natural.
Cheers 🍻
Great soundtrack also
Awesome review as always guys! 👊👊
I once spoke to a forensic psychologist about the Zodiac case and she agreed with me that someone who would send such letters to taunt the authorities would at least leave a letter of confession in their will. His ego would not be able to accept anonymity following death, he would want posthumous credit and recognition. So he'd still be alive or, like Arthur Leigh Allen, would have died unexpectedly at a relatively young age before leaving his confession.
Big shout out to Jimmy Legross
Great review guys, have you both seen the Victor Frankenstein film 2015 starring James McAvoy, it's an interesting take on the character
Haha - now that I've been & gone & rewatched the superb Fincher 'Zodiac' flick, I can settle in & watch my always enjoyable "Online Movie Buddies" have a DAMN fine conversation about it! So THANK YOU for reminding me of a DAMN fine film, fellahs! 🥰
Y'know, whilst rewatching 'Zodiac', it struck me that the Zodiac Killer is the closest thing we have to a latterday Jack the Ripper. Not as to the modus operandi, but certainly with the tantalising clues (the Ripper's graffiti on the wall, his deliberately meaningful arranging of body parts), the letters taunting the police, & the absolute terror his short but vicious reign caused in the general populace.
And of course, the fact that Jack & the Zodiac were never caught has guaranteed their place in serial killer history, WELL above & beyond all those other pathetic saddos, & limpdick psychopaths we all love & loathe!
Y'know, I had completely forgotten that the film (like the book) pretty conclusively fingered one particular suspect, which actually ALSO parallels Jack the Ripper, as persuasively outlined in THEE very best book ever written about the Ripper, bar NONE - namely Bruce Robinson's 'They All Love Jack' (published in 2015). Not only does this book have the definitive, final word on the identity of the Ripper, but it also rather nicely nails the self-serving 'Ripperologist' industry, as well as the many hypocracies & failings of the pretty vile Victorian Era, to boot!
At the risk of harping on about it (oops, too late!), I defy anyone to NOT be convinced as to the Ripper's identity after reading Robinson's hugely entertaining book. Dare I say, it's a RIPPING good read (I dared! I dared! LoL), with plenty of invective & righteous anger, as one might expect from the writer & director of the stone cold classic comedy, 'Withnail & I'.
Phew! So go on, Gary & Iain & all my luvly "Shelf-Offerers" - watcha waitin' for??? Go read 'They All Love Jack'! You will NOT be disappointed*!
(& no, I DON'T receive any commission on book sales, but maybe I SHOULD...Hmmm...) 🤔 😇😄
(*& if, by some freakish random act of chance you ARE disappointed, well, you only have yourself to blame. Grin!)
Btw the suspect you just mentioned, mostly likely being Jack the ripper I think he's profession was a butcher. I remember watching a documentary pointing this out.
@@supoa9489 Nope! He was an entertainer - a singer who had also penned one of the most popular songs of the time.
But like I say - 'They All Love Jack' is the final word on it, imho. Trust me, Robinson's research was exhaustive - and the more he researched, the more he was astounded at how much evidence about the Ripper's actual identity wasn't that hard to discover, which naturally enough led to the obvious question "So why the so-called 'mystery'?"
Well, those answers are in the book as well! LoL
@@MothraBlues Interesting I will definitely check out the book
@@supoa9489 Coolio! Lemme know what you think! Cheers 😀
Another great review
Only saw this once back in the day and didn’t think much, but that was a lifetime ago and it’ll be worth another go. Fincher is a weird one for me. He made my favourite film ever in Fight Club, and one of the worst (for me) in Gone Girl. His stuff oscillates between those two extremes but his filmography is mostly good
@@menorahdarkness4877 What would have made it more exciting for you?
masterpiece , I like it more than seven
I like how the guy getting stabbed in his back took it like a champ which probably saved his life where as the lady squirmed all over resulting in her getting stabbed everywhere and ultimately passing away.
The bridge shot looks allright, not sure what you're on about
Right turn Clyde
You should do ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK/L.A.
Serial killers are such cowards. I'm pretty sure my father is one. He's been a suspect in several murders, and considered in others, and he was never tied to anything. I wish he had been.
Love this film
I was intrigued by this movie, in the end it was nicely stylized and had great actors and directing, but I found it too long and at times boring and unsatisfying. I rather watch Alien 3 again 😁
*Turn Up*
Alien 3 is very good
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I think Fincher makes it pretty clear what he thinks about rogue cops by having the Dirty Harry scene included. It was a shot at taking the law into your own hands and maybe a shot at Clint Eastwood? Why do you think they walked back the right wing politics in the sequel Magnum Force? I do completely believe Eastwood used the killings to his advantage with Dirty Harry; that is kind of............yuck IMO. Real people got brutally murdered and using it to make a movie with questionable ethics was not the best idea IMO; no matter how good the movie, it was still a bad idea.
And while this is a very good film, it seems like this was the template for the excellent Mindhunter on Netflix which was a Fincher produced show. Great movie, but that show is even better than this movie. Both are certainly worth a watch if you haven't seen either.
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