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Wow, those C480’s sound phenomenal and very natural. I use mainly Schoeps & Microtech Gefell for my on-location work, but I’ve always wanted try out these 480’s. This sample really makes me want to add a pair of these omnis as I feel they would give my Schoeps MK2s & MK2 a run for their money. Wonderful work and I really appreciate you putting this together. Bravo!
They made the changes that many did when modding these older MK-012. Significant improvements. Bargain but maybe not the best for Orchestra. Maybe rent some mics.
This is exactly what I am looking for. Thank you for the in-depth explanation! That AKG omni pair sounds amazing! What does your signal chain usually look like for recording an orchestra?
Omni's do have an on-axis presence peak. Then again, the high-end omni's with spherically-mounted capsules exaggerate that to generally good effect, hence; Decca Tree.
480s are still available. I think the Octavas don’t belong in the mix. I would have preferred hypercardiod 480’s in the back if set on your mic placement. Cardiod there muddies the mix. The octave is adding crunched, flat and closed reproduction. You want space on the those instruments. Cardiods for the main pair at ORTF and Omnis on the out riggers. The only eww would be the omnis. Another option is a single center cardiod for the center, omni out riggers and hyper in the back. We all have our techniques. The final mix was muddy.
Hey, just out of curiousity. Akg c414b tl- which one is it closer to the modern models= xls or xlii? Thought purchasing for classical recording the xls model, since it more neutral. If you happen to know? Thanks for the content 👍
Thanks for sharing. There are so many different approaches to recording large ensembles and micing techniques. I've always felt my first responsibility is to capture the performance without adding anything. Give the listener what the live audience heard so I never use spot mics. Jecklin disk, Decca Tree, or L-C-R spaced omnis are my favorites. BTW, for a budget mic, what do you think of RODE for large ensemble work?
If your on a budget, checkout the AKG SE300B Blueline series. I still have an omni pair and hypercardiod pair. They can be found from $150-$200 a piece and sound quite smooth and natural. MBHO are another reasonably priced German small diaphragm mix that sound fantastic.
Loved this video! the in-depth nature of the explanation of both the microphones and how they were placed in contribution to your overall mix. So I'm currently doing an assignment on how to record an orchestra with only 7 microphones and I'm struggling to understand how to utilize the limited number of spot mics in the scenario, any tips James? or anyone
this was very interesting. I'm getting into field recording and am looking for a mic to record a singing voice but reacting to the space. This was very helpful but would you recommend a particular kind of mic for that?
Once I can afford mics like this, I wanna record orchestras in the future!! Right now I'm giving my home studio some upgrades like RODE NT1 and a Mackie mixer. (I'm a horn player, so I'm just multitracking) Once I have more money, I'll be able to plan out which mics to get to put in my arsenal, to start with an XY pair and getting a stand for above the conductor then getting a preamp with a lot of inputs. My wallet is prepared to hurt lol
what do you think of the octave mk-012 for vocals...I read somewhere that many singers like them....for example Enya uses a condenser microphone for recordings
Hi! Great video! I’m trying to find a microphone brand to attach to a blackmagic 4K camera to record classical music(specifically small ensembles/chamber music). Do you have any recommendations?? Thanks so much!
The Schoeps are the reference standard for symphonic work, but I believe the C480 along with the Sennheiser MKH8000 series are all on the same level. Just phenomenal sdc’s that are at home with the finest orchestras/concert halls & film scoring studios throughout the world.
I am a stupid father who wants to record his son playing in an orchestra on an iPhone. I’m not rich, but would like to get a better sound than the phone. Suggestions?
Too many microphones. Adding more and more microphones made this recording much worse ... smeared transients, muddy sound and fuzzy stereo imaging. i would have eliminated the spot mics on the strings and possibly the outriggers. Better results would have manifested with a single pair of carefully placed (and configured) Schoeps or DPA omni-directional microphones about .67 to 1.0 (or more) meters apart. All of the immediacy and slam are lost in the final mix. Any recording that depends on more than two microphones is a failure of one or more components: the hall, the engineer and/or the conductor.
@@react1200Agreed. You don’t need to have all the mics turned on all at the same time. Turn them on as needed to convey the intent of the piece and to maintain the feel of the performance in the hall.
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Just exemplary work in the presentation and professionalism. I've learned so much and will visit when the bell rings to learn more.
quigley 45-100 Thank you so much, I’m glad you found it informative! I hope to make more videos soon, stay tuned!! - James Meder
@@JamesMeder Thought I would mention - got the Oktava matched pair. Perfect for my needs.
Why can't everyone make videos like this? Great work pal!
Wow, those C480’s sound phenomenal and very natural. I use mainly Schoeps & Microtech Gefell for my on-location work, but I’ve always wanted try out these 480’s. This sample really makes me want to add a pair of these omnis as I feel they would give my Schoeps MK2s & MK2 a run for their money. Wonderful work and I really appreciate you putting this together. Bravo!
Fantastic work!
One of the best music related channels on UA-cam! Thank you!! Oktava is now in my shopping cart 😜
Man, that was fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you very much!!! The full mix is superb!!
I believe they have upgraded the Oktava's since this vid.
They made the changes that many did when modding these older MK-012. Significant improvements. Bargain but maybe not the best for Orchestra. Maybe rent some mics.
This was fantastic and exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
Wonderful lesson in understanding your gear and how to apply them. I'd love to hear what you could do at Air Studios! You're amazing!
Amazing video, thanks for this! Love your work
You're welcome, thanks so much for checking it out! -James Meder
This is exactly what I am looking for. Thank you for the in-depth explanation! That AKG omni pair sounds amazing! What does your signal chain usually look like for recording an orchestra?
Very nice presentation, James!
KenLentVideo thank you kindly Ken!
Wow beautiful sounds indeed
Thank you so much for sharing!
Hi James, very useful video. Thanks for the work.
Thank you James!
Thank you so much for watching! -James Meder
SUPER helpful video. Thanks so much!!
hell yeah! Thanks for the tips!
Very interesting! Thanks a lot, James!
Do you do allso time correction? Beacause the spot mikes are earlier than the main mike?
Joost Kist
awesome comparison. great
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, James. AB omni spaced pairs are usually in parallel. How does angling them outwards change the sound?
Omni's do have an on-axis presence peak. Then again, the high-end omni's with spherically-mounted capsules exaggerate that to generally good effect, hence; Decca Tree.
Superb bro
480s are still available. I think the Octavas don’t belong in the mix. I would have preferred hypercardiod 480’s in the back if set on your mic placement. Cardiod there muddies the mix. The octave is adding crunched, flat and closed reproduction. You want space on the those instruments. Cardiods for the main pair at ORTF and Omnis on the out riggers. The only eww would be the omnis. Another option is a single center cardiod for the center, omni out riggers and hyper in the back. We all have our techniques. The final mix was muddy.
480s are available? Really? Only from AKG direct?
Hey, just out of curiousity. Akg c414b tl- which one is it closer to the modern models= xls or xlii?
Thought purchasing for classical recording the xls model, since it more neutral.
If you happen to know?
Thanks for the content 👍
Thanks for sharing. There are so many different approaches to recording large ensembles and micing techniques. I've always felt my first responsibility is to capture the performance without adding anything. Give the listener what the live audience heard so I never use spot mics. Jecklin disk, Decca Tree, or L-C-R spaced omnis are my favorites. BTW, for a budget mic, what do you think of RODE for large ensemble work?
If your on a budget, checkout the AKG SE300B Blueline series. I still have an omni pair and hypercardiod pair. They can be found from $150-$200 a piece and sound quite smooth and natural. MBHO are another reasonably priced German small diaphragm mix that sound fantastic.
Loved this video! the in-depth nature of the explanation of both the microphones and how they were placed in contribution to your overall mix. So I'm currently doing an assignment on how to record an orchestra with only 7 microphones and I'm struggling to understand how to utilize the limited number of spot mics in the scenario, any tips James? or anyone
Thanks man
this was very interesting. I'm getting into field recording and am looking for a mic to record a singing voice but reacting to the space. This was very helpful but would you recommend a particular kind of mic for that?
How do you avoid time and phase problems when the microphones are so far apart?
You don't.
Once I can afford mics like this, I wanna record orchestras in the future!! Right now I'm giving my home studio some upgrades like RODE NT1 and a Mackie mixer. (I'm a horn player, so I'm just multitracking) Once I have more money, I'll be able to plan out which mics to get to put in my arsenal, to start with an XY pair and getting a stand for above the conductor then getting a preamp with a lot of inputs. My wallet is prepared to hurt lol
what do you think of the octave mk-012 for vocals...I read somewhere that many singers like them....for example Enya uses a condenser microphone for recordings
This Hair must be a James thing haha. 👊🏽
What is the maximum distance from each tripod (between the ground and the top) and between the director's area and the central tripod?
Do you still use the Oktavas? I'm considering them vs some Shure KSM141 / SM81. For guitars and drums.
which would you prefer?
Hi! Great video! I’m trying to find a microphone brand to attach to a blackmagic 4K camera to record classical music(specifically small ensembles/chamber music). Do you have any recommendations?? Thanks so much!
How many mics in total did u use?
Compared to the CMC 6 Collette, which do you think is better?
The Schoeps are the reference standard for symphonic work, but I believe the C480 along with the Sennheiser MKH8000 series are all on the same level. Just phenomenal sdc’s that are at home with the finest orchestras/concert halls & film scoring studios throughout the world.
How old are you oktavas? are you familiar that they upgraded them a year or two back, and essentially are "modded" now out of the factory stock?
Has that improved the sound of them?
That AKG C480 is discontinued. Any suggestions for alternative omni pair of similar quality/price? Thanks,
Sennheiser 8000 series is excellent.
@@janjarvlepp382 Thanks!
I am a stupid father who wants to record his son playing in an orchestra on an iPhone. I’m not rich, but would like to get a better sound than the phone. Suggestions?
Buy a zoom h1n or h4
Why does that make you stupid?
Too many microphones. Adding more and more microphones made this recording much worse ... smeared transients, muddy sound and fuzzy stereo imaging. i would have eliminated the spot mics on the strings and possibly the outriggers. Better results would have manifested with a single pair of carefully placed (and configured) Schoeps or DPA omni-directional microphones about .67 to 1.0 (or more) meters apart. All of the immediacy and slam are lost in the final mix. Any recording that depends on more than two microphones is a failure of one or more components: the hall, the engineer and/or the conductor.
Well said, Thomas.
I would add Earthworks to the short list
More mics means more options in post.
@@react1200Agreed. You don’t need to have all the mics turned on all at the same time. Turn them on as needed to convey the intent of the piece and to maintain the feel of the performance in the hall.
Nice video dude!! Exactly what I was looking for! Can you tell us how you panned it? Grettings from Brazil!