Nice to see a customer experiencing issues who has a sensible approach to it all, credit to you for your attitude ,hope you bike gets fixed once and for all.
Excellent video. Its good to see the issues that your having with your Interceptor and telling everyone about it. Perfect for those who may be having the same issue. Regards Stew
With all due respect to Royal Enfield but this issue has been know for a few years now and they are still putting the wrong type of grease on these inferior relays - why have they not addressed this issue ? This is 2022 and there is no excuse - Royal Enfield failure to respond.
When I’m running the bike for a while or especially when ripping it too hard when it’s hot I’m experiencing it sputter or running rough especially when starting out in first. Did you experience any of this before your bike started cutting out?
Invaluable comments from the other chaps 👍. I’ve had no problem with mine & it’s a year old but will definitely order a Hitchcock relay now after the comments. I’ve just fitted the same bar end mirrors your going to do next. The bike looks superb with them ( annoying modification though but hey worth it ) Hope you get it sorted fella…
Gidday Ian, I’ve also fitted bar end mirrors to mine, sourced from Hitchcock’s, look the part, improved visibility AND they seem to have helped to eliminate the higher speed head shake, along with fitting Metzlers to replace the OEs. Kia Ora from EnZed. Bill
Intermittent faults are the worst for fault finding and it usually ends up with a process of elimination ie. replacing parts which may be causing the problem.The relays in this case look the big favourites.
Sorry to hear that you are having problems. Hopefully the new relays will sort it. I am going to take your advice and I am also going to buy the better relays from Hitchcocks. Also many thanks for the steer with the Raw and Rugged Side Bags. I bought a pair and absolutely love them.
Had the same issue with my Himalayan found it was the ignition switch. Easy to remove and split and check the contacts. Mine was dry and had arced across causing an intermittent open circuit. If its the relays just buy new from Hitchcocks.
Cracking video , my bike is starting to show signs of poor starting ,( sounds like fuel evaporation); will order some relays mine were covered in the grease and cleaned them 2000 miles ago , so it’s not the grease , thanks again 😀
Same problem that I had. My battery had also died prior to this and I'd replaced it. Have you checked your battery voltage both when off and when idling? Mine was running at 16v (should be around 14v). This indicated regulator/ rectifier was faulty. Replaced this unit (not the easiest job) but problem now solved 👍
Took a interceptor out on demo a couple off years ago and it cut out on me. It was heavy rain at the time. I personally think it was the kill switch was playing up. Rock the switch a couple times and it fired up. Probably too much grease in the kill switch
Sorry to hear of your troubles, I bought a Continental GT on 4 /30/22 in the states. I've heard complaints about relays and although I've had no problems yet, I intend to purchase spares to carry along for that eventual occasion. Anxious to hear if you get things sorted out. Also, I've heard that the kickstand safety switch can be a bugger, check that also.
Have you tried substituting a set of ignition coils? If they don't remove the cut-outs, just put the old ones back in. Your mechanic should be able to find a couple good coils to try. Also check the ignition wires for loose connectors.
Sounds like the Euro 5 issues, stalling and ultra lean mixtures to meet compliance have not only moved peak torque up by 1000rpm but introduced these hesitation problems.
Hi from down under. Hopefully you,ve got the issue sorted by the time you read this. This may sound random but as the issue occurs on gear changes and clutch lever usage have you checked the micro switch on the back of the lever?
Interesting, my bike is a 21 model, date of manufacture Feb. I've had no issues as yet and have done over 7,000 km here in N Queensland, where it gets very hot and sometimes very humid as well. Does R E make their bikes tuned differently for other countries or are they all the same? I think I read that in march the 21 models had some further tuning to meet the EU standard on emissions.
To the best of my knowledge they are the same globally! Yes we are now on Euro 5 restrictions. I shouldn't think that the ambient temp would affect electrical too badly, perhaps more of an issue riding in traffic and start stop conditions with it being air cooled, but they get hot humid summers in India and it copes just fine!
Gidday mate from Otago, NZ. Mine is a 2021, Euro 4, the OE relay for the fuel pump crapped out after 600 kays. My RE dealer replaced the lot with aftermarket ones, and replaced the electrical grease with their own having cleaned out all the factory grease. Sorted. Have added a fuel booster from Hitchcock’s. Noticed improved fuelling under acceleration. Carry spare relays. Cheers.
Very unfortunate experience. Good video and Good information. I have had a chrome edition and love it. Not had any major issues. But will check out the Hitchcock relays.
Thanks for the video. I understand you perfectly. I have a serious problem with my 2019 RE Cont 650 and it is that the engine cuts off once the Abs comes on and then the engine failure warning light comes on. I manage to start but after a few kilometers it stops again. One of the times I almost fell. I no longer have confidence in the bike.
I have a INT 650 I bought earlier this year. The first long ride I took, the bike stalled as you described, wouldn't start and finally started running again so I could get home. In the days and weeks following, off and on it would stall, but not as badly. I learned that other INT owners were having this problem so I cleaned ALL the white grease (lithium?) from every part of the relays and their sockets with a strong contact cleaner spray and that made a big difference. I experienced another episode of cutting out on a long ride, so I turned off then on again the emergency kill switch. doing it several times and that seemed to clear up the problem. With these electronic engine control units, it is really hard to tell what problem actually is, but my guess is the fuel pump was cutting out, probably due to its relay not making good internal contact. Right now my bike is working very well indeed, but a change of relays is a distinct possibility. I am eagerly awaiting the results of you putting in the improved relays and reporting the results.
@@ruahinesrider Yes, that is my plan if I encounter any more problems. I don't know if it is simply luck or if the original relays are "wearing in" but I haven't had any real issues for a long time now. I will certainly keep the idea of replacing the relays in mind, but there are so many things in these electronically controlled engines that can cause similar intermittent problems, I want to wait and see if I can get a "hard failure" before replacing anything. Right now I'm working on the hypothesis that it's the in-tank fuel pump and how to test it.
@@oldgeezerproductions The relays have R.E printed on them & R.E probably makes them.I cleaned grease off relays but when bike running for 20mins it happened again so I got Hitchcocks Relays which are have twice the Amps & hasn't happened again & have done a couple thousand km since.I also saw a video where guy cut one in half after 1300km & contacts had started to corrode.I would get Hitchcocks Relays & at £8 each is a cheap & necessary upgrade & start stronger & idle better & improves bike.
@@ruahinesrider Thanks for the update and suggestion. Right now, my INT has not missed a beat in weeks, so perhaps the electromechanical things are "loosening up and wearing in" or maybe I'm just lucky. If my luck changes, I will certainly take your advice. By the way, I was an aerospace engineer and all our parts had to be "mil-spec" which means that they had to be tested and retested before being certified. I have noticed that the Chinese (and I assume India is even worse) build parts to a good design with good materials and with decent workmanship and then expect everything to work while bypassing extensive inspection and testing of the individual components. You get parts very inexpensively, but you have to expect some failures too.
What year is the bike? Good luck with replacing the relays resolving the problem. I'm considering an INT 650. I have a list I'm putting together for upgrades I want done straight away if I purchase one.
It's a 2022! Basically brand new. They are a lot of fun and from what I can gather, most people have less problems than I've had (and truthfully, I've not had that many! Just all at once. Since I recorded this video, my wife has run the bike over and I've been stranded with a puncture! That, plus the faulty battery and relay issue is really all my issues in the space of 3 weeks!
Thank you for this update! I am currently looking to pick up an Interceptor and it really helps to know that I should look to swap out those relays right from the start. I look forward to hearing about how you situation goes once you do the same. God bless!
Yes buy bike & order Hitchcocks Relays or Bosch but proper Bosch straight away. With Hitchcocks you get good one's & twice the Amps.Alot of bike brands have cheap relays. Grip Puppies are also a good mod as R.E grips thin & also a cheap mod.If your hands are small you'll be alright.
Great video just got my re interceptor 650 not done 50 miles yet and have the same problem regards gutting out and stalling. i have found the relays you mentioned and cleaned all the goose fat in side them i have it booked in at my dealers for next Wednesday for a remap of the ecu so hopefully i get a bike that workes will buy the new relays from hitchcocks just to give myself a head start on the issue thanks for your info in this matter kind regards steve
Had problems when I first got the bike, not quite the same as you, would cut out when riding at a constant 60 mph dealership told me it was a faulty fuel pump 🤔no problems since 3,000 happy miles,
Heat suggests resistance in relays or the contact. Quality relays as replacement. Also have rectifier tested as there are some dodgy ones of those too. Test procedures for this is on youtube I had my first Interceptor for 3 years and now have a new Interceptor for only 1000 kilometres. I never have had issues but replaced relays on new bike anyway. I am in melbourne Australia and bike is my daily commute, rain, hail or shine.
Thanks for that. I've had my int650 for over two years, and never had an electrical problem of this nature. Was thinking of giving the relays a clean sometime, but a little frightened to touch em.
I'm looking for another bike at the moment. The interceptor/continental are on the radar. But ironically I'm more likely to buy a Guzzi, based on reliability and build quality, particularly the electrics. Never thought I'd say that about an Italian bike 🤣 Having said that my Himalayan has been completely reliable.
wow thats interesting. I was all about Guzzi, the V7 specifically and after so many articles and videos I feared too many potential issues with my limited skills to fix stuff myself. I think Im okay with basic maintenance but dont want to worry about too much being a weekend rider. I saw so many comparisons with the interceptor and so many great reviews Ive now switched to wanting that bike. Seems like a solid build and great for the price bike. My first love was the CB500x as I want an adv bike for minimal dirt and Honda is just rock solid in reliability factor. Good luck and and man, the Guzzis are just gorgeous and unique. Im still undecided, may actually ride a few of these first before deciding. In this age, I tend to review for so long I get my mind set before even trying something out.
9 months for me and 3000km on my Orange Crush Interceptor and touch wood zero issues like what you have experienced . Good luck but I recon that the Hitchcock's relays will see you right . I know 4 RE 650 riders here in OZ and we dont seem to have these issues ,, moisture ? , cold ? , perhaps .
I had a similar issue with mine, not cutting out but hesitating under acceleration, replaced the fueling relay and been fine since. Looks like this is a bit of a Interceptor problem, due I would suggest to using budget components. Reckon RE should learn from this and certainly on crucial parts like relays it would be wise to fit better quality components.🙄
Absolutely gutted for you mate, I’m sat here in my RE top after having to reject my 411 for refund a few years back real shame they arnt getting to the bottom of these issues. Hope you got it sorted in the end. I think it’s good to share these things as it helps keep the companies honest. Compared to all the paid reviews. I tried the hitchcocks ones on my himmy which helped
Thanks for taking the time to watch mate. This was actually a wee while ago now and I did a follow up video shortly after. The relays from hitchcocks did the trick and the bike was phenomenal after that. I done some customising (made a few videos of that too) and then sold it to buy something capable of proper touring, but also the daily commute - a Tiger 1200. However, after zero tours and only a couple of days a month commuting, I sold it too! Now riding a Himalayan which belongs to my Dad and taking a slow and steady approach to shopping for my next bike! I checked out your channel. Nice stuff. Subbed.
@@moto_cal thanks for the reply mate :) an for the sub really appreciate it if you like the older style stuff I’ve just started a new one called savingclassicmotorcycles lots of old Nortons ^_^ that sounds a good approach to me I’m in the process of letting my 1150gsa go as we downsize our house for my dad as he’s got stage 3b/4 prostate cancer, an I’ve got the feeling the seat is gonna be a problem for him comfort wise we shall see when he has a go hence researching a few modern classics :) we used to have a 865 a few years back. Keep up the brill work an channel really enjoyed your approach
Nice one for the update, the relays appear to be the only issue that keeps cropping up from interceptor owners, it's time Royal Enfield addressed it...
I've read a couple of posts recently saying that R E has been replacing the relays and fuel pump with updated ones on bikes that are having those problems and are still in warranty. I don't know if that is true or not.
Both mine done this in low speeds, changed relays on both, didn't bother with shop. 700miles 1st bike, 2nd bike 300 miles bought bosch and hitchcock both working fine.
You seem to have got a bad one. I'm just up to 12k miles with only one strange starting problem. That was it started but would not pickup revs and the tickover was erratic. I left it for a few hours then it started OK. Since then I've done about 500 miles with no problem. I've also cleaned the grease off the relays and am going to replace them.
I had a similar issue my bike would lose power under deacelleration but still be idling & 3-4seconds it will accelerate.I cleaned grease out but problem persisted so got Hitchcocks Relays & problem solved had a faulty relay.A guy cut one in half after similar issues & contacts had signs of corroding & current dropping out from time to time so replaced with Hitchcocks Relays. Hitchcocks Relays have twice the Amps & bike starts stronger & idles better.
I've just bought a Continental GT Twin 650. Almost the same problem. Under low RPM the engine cuts. It has made a big consuption of fuel. I took the bike to a garage, every eletric possible problem was checked. Still with out answers...
Had same issues as you in regards to complete cut out. Replaced relays with upgraded ones along with cleaning the grease off. Kept stalling. Noticed it kept happening after gasing up. Did a little bit of research and other folks are mentioning gas level being an issue. Normally filling a few inches from the top of tank shouldn't be an issue. But it is. I've been filling just over half way and have not had an issue since. Frustrating
Interesting! There's a semi common issue I'm aware of which relates to a kinked vaccum hose under the tank, assumingly the breather? Could those be related and worth looking into?
I think you have hit the nail on the head. If you have read the owners book before collection you see how critical not over filling the bike is. The bike has an EVAP collection in place, there to collect vapours from the fuel in the fuel tank, if you over fill neat fuel runs down to the charcoal canister designed to collect fumes and now swimming in fuel.There is an EM system that normally sucks this vapour out and dumps it back to the intake manifold to be burnt off.Either stop over filling or isolate the EVAP process.Hope this helps.
my re dealer is 700km away, that just convinced me to stick to japanese bikes. thank you so much for your vid you may save me from a catastrophic situation
My interceptor is two years old now I had the same issues with random stalling. Changed the relays to Hitchcocks ones and problem solved. Also an important point don’t use E10 fuel my local dealer advised me to use E5.
G'day mate from Australia, l have a 2021 Interceptor and had a similar situation and went through my local dealer and it ran for them but not for me, so l went over the bike and checked everywhere under the seat, tank and any connection l could find, also changed the sparkplugs to Iridium ones and use Dielectric grease on all connectors, problem solved for my bike, have 8000 KMs up and 7000 without a problem, hope this helps, cheers, Neil 🤠.
I've Done the same back when I removed the grease from the relays at about 500 ish miles. This time round, changing the relays has solved the problem entirely. Check out Vlog 4 on my channel! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment too. Hopefully it'll be smooth sailing from here, but so valuable to have input from around the globe!
Nice to hear honesty and a level headed approach. Considering the Continental gt as my first big bike. Please drop an update once fitted! Hope it solves it!
Please don't let my experience put you off. Go test ride one. All these issues aside, I absolutely adore this bike. It just feels completely right to me, everything about it.
I had my INT 650 just a couple of hours when it cut out several times on my first ride out. As I pulled away from a 'T' junction I leant the bike over to make the turn and the engine cut out, dropping me to the floor (the bike was in gear and stopped instantly). The dealer who sold it to me said 'don't blip the throttle' (thanks!). I took it to another dealer who gave it a test run, booked it in where they checked the valves, downloaded the latest software and re-mapped the ECU. It took three days (?) but seems ok for now
That sucks dude. I've heard this story before from someone else who watched another of my videos and commented about his buddy. I wonder if you could be that buddy?? Sucks that you dropped the bike man. That's my fear of riding it at the moment. Couple of scary moments when that power cuts and you're leaned in!
I've only just found you on UA-cam but I have posted in a couple of Forums. It appears to be a common problem and the relays don't get good reviews either. This put to one side, my only criticism of the INT 650 is the position of the footpegs. I am only 5'6" tall and the pegs get in the way whenever I put my feet on the floor - comfortable position for riding, though
Had the same issue few weeks ago , just cleaning the relays it’s packed with a paste to stop rust , fixed it had no problem after that , just giving you a solution that worked for me try doing that or buy new it’s up to you
Had my Interceptor just coming up 3 years now and its never missed a beat I love the bike and have kept it absolutley bog standard as it came out of the showroom only thing done normal servicing by the agents
Sorry to hear of your troubles. Here in Germany, my dealer told me that he redoes a lot of work before handing the machine over to a customer. Where did you buy your machine from? Who did the PDI? When did these issues begin? Given the number RE have sold, you seem to have a lemon. But the incident rate of failure seems very low.
I bought it from a very reputable RE dealer who I'm confident does a thorough PDI and knows his stuff. He has been great, but he's too far away to get the bike back to him easily. The local dealer are too busy to help in a reasonable time frame. If the relays don't fix it, it will go back to my dealer somehow and I trust he will take care of it.
And outside of these issues, I absolutely love the bike. The title of the video is deliberately a little misleading and provocative. They are brilliant bikes, no bike can be guaranteed 'trouble free'. Very frustrating though! Thank you for watching and commenting my friend! Safe travels
Same issue & same solution. 4000 miles with new relays now & no problems. Get a full can of contact cleaner and spray the connectors to remove all the grease. Also clean all the grease out of the black grounding wire connection above the relays.
Replace your relays on every service and make sure you don't run your bike on fuel empty indicator it may damage your fuel pump ... i faced the same issue..
The subject of the relays cropped up when my dealer delivered my bike. Their experience, as you reported from yours, was only a few bikes had been through them (and, against all the other Japanese bikes they sell, they are churning REs out!). He said they remain unconvinced it is the grease issue on relay as such, and although that may not be helping, more of an electrical one causing problems - perhaps through those relays. Their suspicion is that it is also tied to fuelling compounded by the relays. I've also read that the Hitchcock relays are current rated much higher - 50%-100% more and it seems highly possible that the oems are underrated for their use, spikes and surges, etc. Although I haven't explored why, perhaps experiencing external contact issues or too high a resistance (the grease), overheating coils as you suggest, or burning and pitting of internal contacts - or a combination of factors. Even within first few hundred miles of running in I have stalled the bike 'a few times' - or, in all fairness, I am not inexperienced and this does appear to be the bike (since I've never had this since a newbie years ago). It did occur to me that clutch and throttle collaboration was not helping, and shutting the throttle to early was stifling the fuelling. However, that doesn't really explain your experience with the overtake at 60ish, which is a rather concerning situation. It DOEs however, suggest fuelling may be at the root of all. Keep up the Vlogging. Very professional.
There's definitely something going on. Since I replaced the relays, mine has run perfectly. The reflash on the ECU has definitely changed the character of the engine, for the better i would say too. Fingers crossed there's no further issues. I very much appreciate the kind words. Thanks for taking time out of your day to watch and comment. 👍
@@moto_cal Do you have any further information on what the reflash did? Was it a 'refresh' of the existing map or is it a new updated map generally available at any RE dealer, or specifically that Saltire (?) have. Presumably they did it free of charge, but if it's a different map, presumably there is a charge (guess I'd have to talk to them!)
It’s not nice to hear about someone having issues but it is valuable. I am actively looking for a ‘trad’ bike but I am reluctant to buy an RE even though I like them. All the hassles, relying on RE dealers that are miles away and clearly backlogged. Hope you do resolve it. Think I will give them a miss TBH.
Sounds like there's a bit of "value engineering" going on at the factory. At least you'll now find out how good Hitchock's mail service is! Sorry to hear about the problems. Seems every model of Enfield has it's particular issues.
Hi, I suffered the same issues and it totally demoralised me. I paid forty five pounds for relays from our local auto electrical garage and still suffered exactly the same issue. Finally I spoke to Hitchcock's and shelled out thirty pounds and touch wood, it's been fine ever since. I agree that you shouldn't have to shell out but as you say, if it cure's the problem then that's all the matters. Good luck but I think you'll find it's fine when the relays are fitted.
I had an issue with my interceptor cutting out and it turned out to be the ignition barrel and my local dealer changed it out and I have had no more trouble 🤞
@@oldgeezerproductions yes sorry should have said ignition switch, every time it cut out I turned it off with the key then back on and she started up every time and ran perfect until the next time it happened
@@hairybiker68 Thanks for the clarification, I still have the original relays in my bike and they seem to be working better with time (if that was indeed the problem). I did experience one bad episode a while back and so instead of turning off and on with the key, I used the kill switch and that seemed to work for me. If I start having problems again, I think my next step is to replace the relays.
It sounds like the relays are electro-mechanical. I once had intermittent problems with my car relay, and substituting a *solid-state* relay solved that.
Excuse my ignorance as am not a mechanic & know as much about mechanics as most people know about deep sea diving in the desert! What exactly is a ‘Reflash’? What’s involved? I plan to get a RE650 when I pass my test(hopefully soon!)I am aware of some of the niggling problems that comes with this bike BUT it hasn’t put me off! Great video👍🏻😎
Glad it hasn't put you off. For everyone who has troubles, there are dozens who have none!! A 'reflash' is in essence, a software update for the ECU. You can reflash an ECU to resolve any number of issues that the manufacturer has linked back to the ECU (i.e. Gremlins!) My understanding is that the primary reason RE released this update is pretty much a remap and changes the fuelling a little to stop the bike stalling when the throttle is blipped. I'm assuming that all new bikes rolling off the line already have this version from new, so it's only required for Euro 5 bikes up to whenever they started using this version.
Thank you from taking time out to reply! I am now much wiser then I was lol, These sort of videos are great source of information! I’ve kept a lot of these useful videos just incase I need some sort of reference to look back on! Once again thank you for your help!Safe Riding Dude!👍🏻😎
I had similar problem & spoke to you before about the relays & grease.R.E makes their own I think.I had a loosing power on deacelleration but not cutting out & cleaned all grease but problem persisted.Replaced with Hitchcocks upgraded relays & bike started stronger idled better & have had no problems since.It is truly a great bike & don't let cheap electronics made in India by R.E let you down.This is how R.E keeps their price down by making stuff themselves.Paying a extra $30 for extra for better Relays on top of the purchase price solve all the problems.A guy chopped one in half after similar issues & contacts had signs of eroding.For such a cheap bike £8 each a Relay from Hitchcocks is a small price to pay. Also Hitchcocks Relays have twice the amps as others & you only use 3 relays as 4th is auxiliary relay.Also Check the battery cable connectors & clean grease also this is above the relays & hangs above air filter. I live a hour away & had my bike delivered 80km so I didn't have to stop every 15km on way home during run in for first 150km.R.E should be using a lithium spray on relays not grease they probably make too & use better relays.Not many people actually have a faulty relay but grease issues but after seeing one cut in half R.E should just use better one's.Don't get disheartened over relays bro it is a great bike.
Of course, I agree. The title was deliberately provocative and was a question, rather than a statement! :) you'll be glad to see my update which should publish in the next 30 mins or so. 😉
When running bike in sometimes getting it into first is touchy & will be neutral but no light or vise versa just need to be gentle to get into first. As the km go up & bike wears in gearbox gets better & false neutrals & having trouble finding 1st will will subside.First 500km is the worse for gearbox & by 1500km bike will be smooth as.
Definately a relay problem. Replace the lot with better quality ones. Mine kept cutting out like yours when new. Replaced the relay and its been absolutely trouble free since. Great bike!
Yup! See VLOG 4 for the joy of the fix. So simple and stupid but glad it was just an easy one. Fingers crossed its smooth sailing from here! (that being said, since that video I've had a puncture and my wife reversed into the bike. Very little luck!)
@@timothyahernRoxyCat the euro 5 bike has 3 relays under the left hand side panel (main relay, fuel pump & starter) watch my follow up video and I show you the relays and how to replace them! ua-cam.com/video/oEQR1h1d2Mo/v-deo.html
the company should install good quality relay's when the bike is built in factory... this would help insure not having a relay failure, however, any relay can go bad I do understand
Hey Pal as far as your motorcycle are concern try to configure your ECU components and fix all the wires which are interconnected and fix it don't delay don't wait for any further malfunction hope it ll workout watever your problem still if it persists boom them with a mail....❤❤
I fought the intermittent stalling for over 6000 miles on my 2020 US spec Interceptor. I won't go into the depressing specifics but finally I just moved on to a V7III Moto Guzzi. I sold the Interceptor and never heard from the purchaser. I have two friends who own the bikes and have had no troubles at all. I loved that bike but I just didn't trust it.
Glad to hear it! They are brilliant bikes and still represent great value. Just frustrating when you get hit with an intermittent fault like that, which stops you enjoying the bike! I've since replaced those relays and had zero issues since!! (VLOG 4 on my channel if you wish to see that video!) thanks for watching Jon!
I've read enough accounts of other owners having issues with the relays that I bought a replacement set of higher quality ones, but haven't had to use them so far.
Your motorcycle needs a new ecu and a new updated map from RE. New relays is just to take the relay issues off the table. Fully synthetic oil, which is expensive so doubt the dealers do them at pos. I have a euro 5 interceptor cuts out at blips 1200 rpm to 1300 rpm. This always happens after 15 min into the ride(engine hot at normal operating conditions(lean)). First 15 min AFR mixture, air is choked, so a rich fuel supply and no issue when you blip at 1200 to 1300 rpm. Mine is well and truely fixed and am enjoying the ride. If the dealer really updated/remapped/new map your ecu you shouldn't have these problems.
As others have mentioned there is a lot of misinformation about relays and dielectric grease. Dielectric grease doesn’t conduct electricity so can’t short out other relays. The grease can’t be too thick to break an electrical connection. If it really was the cause of a problem then all bikes would be afflicted. Sometimes the relays aren’t seated properly so probably changing them just means they get seated properly. Euro5 bikes have a Continental ECU which seems to be tuned to be too lean at idle which explains why the dealer ECU flash solves so many problems. Euro4 bikes have a Bosch ECU and doesn’t have this issue.
I hear what you're saying mate, but a few points: cleaning them solved my problems early on, replacing them solved them this time, and from what I understand, (apparently) the dealers are trained by RE to clean them out during PDI because they are aware of the grease causing issues. 🤷
I have to disagree. A lot of owners on the Facebook groups complaining of very similar issues to the ones I'm having. Not a day goes by that somebody doesn't ask about the stalling/cutting out issue... Especially within 200 miles of purchase. That being said, the engine seems to be bulletproof, just electrical issues that continue to let it down. Not enough for me to consider it 'unreliable'... And there are plenty of bikes twice the price that have similar issues.
This has actually put me off buying an interceptor 😀 My Triumph was a pos electrics wise. I wanted to buy a brand new bike and enjoy trouble free biking. When you break down on the bike you are screwed. Breakdown took 4 to 5 hours every time I called them. Can't go through that again. This or the scram looked ideal. But seems many are having this issue and I'm thinking a 3 or 4 year old Japanese bike like a Honda 500 or Suzuki Sv650 might be the way to go for me. Shame because I love the look and price of the interceptor.
On one hand, it upsets me that I put you off, because it wouldn't stop me buying one again and I constantly recommend this bike to people. On the other hand, all I can share is my own experience, which has been a little rocky. I do know that there are many many (MANY!) owners who cite years of completely trouble free ownership. I still love my Inty and I've had no issues since I replaced those relays! (check out VLOG4)
Intermittent faults are the worst. Until it mutates into a hard fault you could be plagued with this for months. You should be enjoying your hard earned purchase not test/diagnosing the fault for RE. You should ask for a refund.
I think RE's are fine as long as you buy with your eyes open , accepting they are a budget bike built to a price and NOT the bargain of the century as some owners have you believe . To me a true bargain is a low miles 2nd hand Guzzi V7 , a comparable price to the Interceptor for a quality Italian made classic with shaft drive and Brembo brakes etc . Lets be honest Its on a completely different level to the Interceptor and frankly I cannot understand why anyone would not choose it in preference, .... To be honest the same can be said for a used Bonny .
I like how you positioned that. I think if it has exactly what you are looking for, it does present as the bargain of the century, but there is a slight trade off for sure. I think the ability and peace of mind owning a brand new bike means a lot for many owners. In the new market, its a bargain. In the overall market, sure, you'll get better bikes for the money, no question.
@@moto_cal Thanks for the reply . I have to say I often hear but don't understand the "peace of mind" argument though . What's the difference between a six month old bike that still has years of manufacturers warranty remaining ?
How old is your Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor? They do have a three year warranty, I suggest you take it in to your dealer? This is a very rare thing that has happened unfortunately to your bike? I understand your frustration, but it's a bit childish start calling Royal Enfields names? If your dealership is bad, I would contact the main Importer franchiser, and report the dealer, There are bad dealers, unfortunately, But there are more good ones. 😊 Bye the way, I know lots of 650 Interceptor Owners, And I have not one of them have replaced RELAYS?
I worry that you've missed something. The title is a question, the video is the answer and it does explain everything I've done to rectify, and also gives credit to my dealer. There a video following this one.... It was the relays and replacing them (our of pocket) with higher spec ones has solved the problem entirely.
@@moto_cal As I say, I think you have been very unfortunate with your particular Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor, As I know at least a half a dozen Interceptor Owners, and none of them have mentioned this problem, I do hope that you can get it solved, As in 48 years of ownership of at least 30 machine's, The Interceptor is an Absolutely amazing Motorcycle to own and ride. Cheers Paul 👏
dude Unreliable yes it is but its not a piece of crap. Been riding my INT 650 for 3+ years now been through some small to huge problems & i got em all fixed, if u wana upgrade the Relays do it but what i think your Bike cut out prob is by Fuel Starving issue check your Fuel Pump, & check your side stand sensor. You are welcome
I know this. The title was deliberately a little provocative. I love this bike and if you check out my next video which will publish in the next 30 minutes or so, you'll see my latest update!!
I did! And it fixed the issue so far. Glad it sorted it and not expensive, but I shouldn't have needed to. Spoke to a dealer (not my Usual dealer) last week who refused to accept that the relays were the problem, or the fix. So many people seem to have their head in the sand.
I don't like the idea of a chain ⛓️ driven oil 🛢️ pump. That is both cheap and dangerous to the life of your engine. Gear ⚙️ drive is much better. Truth.
Afraid that didn't solve the problem. RE dealer reflashed it and it was still the same. There's a follow up video - the eventual solution wasn't replacing the relays.
I disagree that spending more money guarantees reliability. I have a friend who had to hand back an Africa Twin after a year due to ongoing issues with the ECU and various other electrical gremlins. What I tried to convey in this video is that I've had some minor, but frustrating issues, which with the support of dealers and a little patience, have been resolved so far without much time off the road. The warranty and roadside assistance have both held up toox I even had a free hire car to keep me on the road while the bike was away getting a puncture repaired. All in all, I'm still happy, but it's important to be honest about my experience and perhaps help others.
No, it doesn't. I've had my Continental GT650 for 19 months trouble free (has 11,000 km on the clock). I know two other guys in my area with Interceptors of the same vintage and they've had no issues, either. I've heard of new Hondas that have experienced mechanical issues. You're just looking for an axe to grind.
Nice to see a customer experiencing issues who has a sensible approach to it all, credit to you for your attitude ,hope you bike gets fixed once and for all.
Pinning this comment as I'm rarely called 'sensible' 😂😂
Might sound crazy but check and or replace your side stand safety sensor, that can cause cutting out as well.
Not crazy, I always thought it could be a weak link
Excellent video. Its good to see the issues that your having with your Interceptor and telling everyone about it. Perfect for those who may be having the same issue. Regards Stew
don't loose faith, it'll get sorted eventually. so close to your thousandth , thats fantastic in such a short time, well done
With all due respect to Royal Enfield but this issue has been know for a few years now and they are still putting the wrong type of grease on these inferior relays - why have they not addressed this issue ? This is 2022 and there is no excuse - Royal Enfield failure to respond.
When I’m running the bike for a while or especially when ripping it too hard when it’s hot I’m experiencing it sputter or running rough especially when starting out in first. Did you experience any of this before your bike started cutting out?
Invaluable comments from the other chaps 👍. I’ve had no problem with mine & it’s a year old but will definitely order a Hitchcock relay now after the comments. I’ve just fitted the same bar end mirrors your going to do next. The bike looks superb with them ( annoying modification though but hey worth it ) Hope you get it sorted fella…
Gidday Ian, I’ve also fitted bar end mirrors to mine, sourced from Hitchcock’s, look the part, improved visibility AND they seem to have helped to eliminate the higher speed head shake, along with fitting Metzlers to replace the OEs. Kia Ora from EnZed. Bill
Intermittent faults are the worst for fault finding and it usually ends up with a process of elimination ie. replacing parts which may be causing the problem.The relays in this case look the big favourites.
Sorry to hear that you are having problems. Hopefully the new relays will sort it. I am going to take your advice and I am also going to buy the better relays from Hitchcocks. Also many thanks for the steer with the Raw and Rugged Side Bags. I bought a pair and absolutely love them.
Very useful! Thanks for posting; hopefully you’re not having issues anymore
Upgraded relays solved it! Thanks mate
Had the same issue with my Himalayan found it was the ignition switch. Easy to remove and split and check the contacts. Mine was dry and had arced across causing an intermittent open circuit. If its the relays just buy new from Hitchcocks.
Cracking video , my bike is starting to show signs of poor starting ,( sounds like fuel evaporation); will order some relays mine were covered in the grease and cleaned them 2000 miles ago , so it’s not the grease , thanks again 😀
Great info, keep up the good work
Thanks Lee! Appreciate the kind words.
Always the damn relays! I have a few of the Bosch as backups, may need to keep a few of the Hitchcock’s ones on hand as well!
Same problem that I had. My battery had also died prior to this and I'd replaced it. Have you checked your battery voltage both when off and when idling? Mine was running at 16v (should be around 14v). This indicated regulator/ rectifier was faulty.
Replaced this unit (not the easiest job) but problem now solved 👍
Took a interceptor out on demo a couple off years ago and it cut out on me. It was heavy rain at the time. I personally think it was the kill switch was playing up. Rock the switch a couple times and it fired up. Probably too much grease in the kill switch
Sorry to hear of your troubles, I bought a Continental GT on 4 /30/22 in the states. I've heard complaints about relays and although I've had no problems yet, I intend to purchase spares to carry along for that eventual occasion. Anxious to hear if you get things sorted out. Also, I've heard that the kickstand safety switch can be a bugger, check that also.
Thanks for watching. Check out Vlog 4 for an update brother!
Have you tried substituting a set of ignition coils? If they don't remove the cut-outs, just put the old ones back in.
Your mechanic should be able to find a couple good coils to try. Also check the ignition wires for loose connectors.
Sounds like the Euro 5 issues, stalling and ultra lean mixtures to meet compliance have not only moved peak torque up by 1000rpm but introduced these hesitation problems.
Peak torque is at the same place as before.
Hi from down under. Hopefully you,ve got the issue sorted by the time you read this. This may sound random but as the issue occurs on gear changes and clutch lever usage have you checked the micro switch on the back of the lever?
VLOG 4 for the update Keith!! So far so good!
Interesting, my bike is a 21 model, date of manufacture Feb. I've had no issues as yet and have done over 7,000 km here in N Queensland, where it gets very hot and sometimes very humid as well. Does R E make their bikes tuned differently for other countries or are they all the same? I think I read that in march the 21 models had some further tuning to meet the EU standard on emissions.
To the best of my knowledge they are the same globally! Yes we are now on Euro 5 restrictions. I shouldn't think that the ambient temp would affect electrical too badly, perhaps more of an issue riding in traffic and start stop conditions with it being air cooled, but they get hot humid summers in India and it copes just fine!
Fingers crossed. Thanks for the info.
Gidday mate from Otago, NZ. Mine is a 2021, Euro 4, the OE relay for the fuel pump crapped out after 600 kays. My RE dealer replaced the lot with aftermarket ones, and replaced the electrical grease with their own having cleaned out all the factory grease. Sorted. Have added a fuel booster from Hitchcock’s. Noticed improved fuelling under acceleration. Carry spare relays. Cheers.
Very unfortunate experience. Good video and Good information. I have had a chrome edition and love it. Not had any major issues. But will check out the Hitchcock relays.
Thanks for the video. I understand you perfectly.
I have a serious problem with my 2019 RE Cont 650 and it is that the engine cuts off once the Abs comes on and then the engine failure warning light comes on. I manage to start but after a few kilometers it stops again. One of the times I almost fell. I no longer have confidence in the bike.
I really hope you resolved this one.
I have a INT 650 I bought earlier this year. The first long ride I took, the bike stalled as you described, wouldn't start and finally started running again so I could get home. In the days and weeks following, off and on it would stall, but not as badly. I learned that other INT owners were having this problem so I cleaned ALL the white grease (lithium?) from every part of the relays and their sockets with a strong contact cleaner spray and that made a big difference. I experienced another episode of cutting out on a long ride, so I turned off then on again the emergency kill switch. doing it several times and that seemed to clear up the problem. With these electronic engine control units, it is really hard to tell what problem actually is, but my guess is the fuel pump was cutting out, probably due to its relay not making good internal contact. Right now my bike is working very well indeed, but a change of relays is a distinct possibility. I am eagerly awaiting the results of you putting in the improved relays and reporting the results.
Faulty relay I had one they're cheap buy Relays from Hitchcocks
@@ruahinesrider Yes, that is my plan if I encounter any more problems. I don't know if it is simply luck or if the original relays are "wearing in" but I haven't had any real issues for a long time now. I will certainly keep the idea of replacing the relays in mind, but there are so many things in these electronically controlled engines that can cause similar intermittent problems, I want to wait and see if I can get a "hard failure" before replacing anything. Right now I'm working on the hypothesis that it's the in-tank fuel pump and how to test it.
@@oldgeezerproductions The relays have R.E printed on them & R.E probably makes them.I cleaned grease off relays but when bike running for 20mins it happened again so I got Hitchcocks Relays which are have twice the Amps & hasn't happened again & have done a couple thousand km since.I also saw a video where guy cut one in half after 1300km & contacts had started to corrode.I would get Hitchcocks Relays & at £8 each is a cheap & necessary upgrade & start stronger & idle better & improves bike.
@@ruahinesrider Thanks for the update and suggestion. Right now, my INT has not missed a beat in weeks, so perhaps the electromechanical things are "loosening up and wearing in" or maybe I'm just lucky. If my luck changes, I will certainly take your advice. By the way, I was an aerospace engineer and all our parts had to be "mil-spec" which means that they had to be tested and retested before being certified. I have noticed that the Chinese (and I assume India is even worse) build parts to a good design with good materials and with decent workmanship and then expect everything to work while bypassing extensive inspection and testing of the individual components. You get parts very inexpensively, but you have to expect some failures too.
What year is the bike? Good luck with replacing the relays resolving the problem.
I'm considering an INT 650. I have a list I'm putting together for upgrades I want done straight away if I purchase one.
It's a 2022! Basically brand new.
They are a lot of fun and from what I can gather, most people have less problems than I've had (and truthfully, I've not had that many! Just all at once. Since I recorded this video, my wife has run the bike over and I've been stranded with a puncture! That, plus the faulty battery and relay issue is really all my issues in the space of 3 weeks!
Thank you for this update! I am currently looking to pick up an Interceptor and it really helps to know that I should look to swap out those relays right from the start. I look forward to hearing about how you situation goes once you do the same. God bless!
Yes buy bike & order Hitchcocks Relays or Bosch but proper Bosch straight away.
With Hitchcocks you get good one's & twice the Amps.Alot of bike brands have cheap relays.
Grip Puppies are also a good mod as R.E grips thin & also a cheap mod.If your hands are small you'll be alright.
Great video just got my re interceptor 650 not done 50 miles yet and have the same problem regards gutting out and stalling. i have found the relays you mentioned and cleaned all the goose fat in side them i have it booked in at my dealers for next Wednesday for a remap of the ecu so hopefully i get a bike that workes will buy the new relays from hitchcocks just to give myself a head start on the issue thanks for your info in this matter kind regards steve
Fingers crossed for you mate - Keep me Posted!
Had problems when I first got the bike, not quite the same as you, would cut out when riding at a constant 60 mph dealership told me it was a faulty fuel pump 🤔no problems since 3,000 happy miles,
Heat suggests resistance in relays or the contact. Quality relays as replacement. Also have rectifier tested as there are some dodgy ones of those too. Test procedures for this is on youtube I had my first Interceptor for 3 years and now have a new Interceptor for only 1000 kilometres. I never have had issues but replaced relays on new bike anyway. I am in melbourne Australia and bike is my daily commute, rain, hail or shine.
This is a concern. Why does not Royal Enfield put the updated relays in at the factory
Thanks for that. I've had my int650 for over two years, and never had an electrical problem of this nature. Was thinking of giving the relays a clean sometime, but a little frightened to touch em.
If it ain't broke....
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment mate 👍
Heartbreaking, all the best from Ireland,Seán
I'm looking for another bike at the moment. The interceptor/continental are on the radar. But ironically I'm more likely to buy a Guzzi, based on reliability and build quality, particularly the electrics. Never thought I'd say that about an Italian bike 🤣
Having said that my Himalayan has been completely reliable.
wow thats interesting. I was all about Guzzi, the V7 specifically and after so many articles and videos I feared too many potential issues with my limited skills to fix stuff myself. I think Im okay with basic maintenance but dont want to worry about too much being a weekend rider. I saw so many comparisons with the interceptor and so many great reviews Ive now switched to wanting that bike. Seems like a solid build and great for the price bike. My first love was the CB500x as I want an adv bike for minimal dirt and Honda is just rock solid in reliability factor. Good luck and and man, the Guzzis are just gorgeous and unique. Im still undecided, may actually ride a few of these first before deciding. In this age, I tend to review for so long I get my mind set before even trying something out.
9 months for me and 3000km on my Orange Crush Interceptor and touch wood zero issues like what you have experienced .
Good luck but I recon that the Hitchcock's relays will see you right .
I know 4 RE 650 riders here in OZ and we dont seem to have these issues ,, moisture ? , cold ? , perhaps .
I had a similar issue with mine, not cutting out but hesitating under acceleration, replaced the fueling relay and been fine since. Looks like this is a bit of a Interceptor problem, due I would suggest to using budget components. Reckon RE should learn from this and certainly on crucial parts like relays it would be wise to fit better quality components.🙄
Absolutely gutted for you mate, I’m sat here in my RE top after having to reject my 411 for refund a few years back real shame they arnt getting to the bottom of these issues. Hope you got it sorted in the end. I think it’s good to share these things as it helps keep the companies honest. Compared to all the paid reviews. I tried the hitchcocks ones on my himmy which helped
Thanks for taking the time to watch mate. This was actually a wee while ago now and I did a follow up video shortly after. The relays from hitchcocks did the trick and the bike was phenomenal after that. I done some customising (made a few videos of that too) and then sold it to buy something capable of proper touring, but also the daily commute - a Tiger 1200. However, after zero tours and only a couple of days a month commuting, I sold it too! Now riding a Himalayan which belongs to my Dad and taking a slow and steady approach to shopping for my next bike!
I checked out your channel. Nice stuff. Subbed.
@@moto_cal thanks for the reply mate :) an for the sub really appreciate it if you like the older style stuff I’ve just started a new one called savingclassicmotorcycles lots of old Nortons ^_^ that sounds a good approach to me I’m in the process of letting my 1150gsa go as we downsize our house for my dad as he’s got stage 3b/4 prostate cancer, an I’ve got the feeling the seat is gonna be a problem for him comfort wise we shall see when he has a go hence researching a few modern classics :) we used to have a 865 a few years back.
Keep up the brill work an channel really enjoyed your approach
Amazing they did the calipers but the relays do not look like a factory recall item, for the moment at least.
It's astounding really. Although, if we're all out here buying bosch and hitchcocks ones with our own hard earned cash, why would they?! Lol
Nice one for the update, the relays appear to be the only issue that keeps cropping up from interceptor owners, it's time Royal Enfield addressed it...
I've read a couple of posts recently saying that R E has been replacing the relays and fuel pump with updated ones on bikes that are having those problems and are still in warranty. I don't know if that is true or not.
@@michaeltowler2632 Yep. Mine needed a new ECU to stop random cutouts. Luckily, this was under warranty.
Both mine done this in low speeds, changed relays on both, didn't bother with shop. 700miles 1st bike, 2nd bike 300 miles bought bosch and hitchcock both working fine.
Have you checked the kickstand switch? I have seen some who have had this issue on the boards.
It crossed my mind Jim. It will be next to check off the list if the relays done solve the problem!
I second kickstand switch, this may be causing intermittent engine cut outs?
You seem to have got a bad one. I'm just up to 12k miles with only one strange starting problem. That was it started but would not pickup revs and the tickover was erratic. I left it for a few hours then it started OK. Since then I've done about 500 miles with no problem. I've also cleaned the grease off the relays and am going to replace them.
I had a similar issue my bike would lose power under deacelleration but still be idling & 3-4seconds it will accelerate.I cleaned grease out but problem persisted so got Hitchcocks Relays & problem solved had a faulty relay.A guy cut one in half after similar issues & contacts had signs of corroding & current dropping out from time to time so replaced with Hitchcocks Relays.
Hitchcocks Relays have twice the Amps & bike starts stronger & idles better.
, problem is RE do not have experienced people to.wotk on the service centre, honestly i am thinking now if i will buy it now
Crank position sensor, (Hall sensor) Triumph had this problem as well
I've just bought a Continental GT Twin 650. Almost the same problem. Under low RPM the engine cuts. It has made a big consuption of fuel. I took the bike to a garage, every eletric possible problem was checked. Still with out answers...
Had same issues as you in regards to complete cut out. Replaced relays with upgraded ones along with cleaning the grease off. Kept stalling. Noticed it kept happening after gasing up. Did a little bit of research and other folks are mentioning gas level being an issue. Normally filling a few inches from the top of tank shouldn't be an issue. But it is. I've been filling just over half way and have not had an issue since. Frustrating
Interesting! There's a semi common issue I'm aware of which relates to a kinked vaccum hose under the tank, assumingly the breather? Could those be related and worth looking into?
I think you have hit the nail on the head. If you have read the owners book before collection you see how critical not over filling the bike is. The bike has an EVAP collection in place, there to collect vapours from the fuel in the fuel tank, if you over fill neat fuel runs down to the charcoal canister designed to collect fumes and now swimming in fuel.There is an EM system that normally sucks this vapour out and dumps it back to the intake manifold to be burnt off.Either stop over filling or isolate the EVAP process.Hope this helps.
my re dealer is 700km away, that just convinced me to stick to japanese bikes. thank you so much for your vid you may save me from a catastrophic situation
My interceptor is two years old now I had the same issues with random stalling.
Changed the relays to Hitchcocks ones and problem solved.
Also an important point don’t use E10 fuel my local dealer advised me to use E5.
I also only ever use E5. Hitchcocks relays fitted today, but its not a day for test riding as its pouring down! Fingers crossed
@@moto_cal Good luck, safe riding 😎
G'day mate from Australia, l have a 2021 Interceptor and had a similar situation and went through my local dealer and it ran for them but not for me, so l went over the bike and checked everywhere under the seat, tank and any connection l could find, also changed the sparkplugs to Iridium ones and use Dielectric grease on all connectors, problem solved for my bike, have 8000 KMs up and 7000 without a problem, hope this helps, cheers, Neil 🤠.
I've Done the same back when I removed the grease from the relays at about 500 ish miles. This time round, changing the relays has solved the problem entirely. Check out Vlog 4 on my channel!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment too. Hopefully it'll be smooth sailing from here, but so valuable to have input from around the globe!
Nice to hear honesty and a level headed approach. Considering the Continental gt as my first big bike. Please drop an update once fitted! Hope it solves it!
Please don't let my experience put you off. Go test ride one. All these issues aside, I absolutely adore this bike. It just feels completely right to me, everything about it.
I had my INT 650 just a couple of hours when it cut out several times on my first ride out. As I pulled away from a 'T' junction I leant the bike over to make the turn and the engine cut out, dropping me to the floor (the bike was in gear and stopped instantly). The dealer who sold it to me said 'don't blip the throttle' (thanks!). I took it to another dealer who gave it a test run, booked it in where they checked the valves, downloaded the latest software and re-mapped the ECU. It took three days (?) but seems ok for now
That sucks dude. I've heard this story before from someone else who watched another of my videos and commented about his buddy. I wonder if you could be that buddy?? Sucks that you dropped the bike man. That's my fear of riding it at the moment. Couple of scary moments when that power cuts and you're leaned in!
I've only just found you on UA-cam but I have posted in a couple of Forums. It appears to be a common problem and the relays don't get good reviews either. This put to one side, my only criticism of the INT 650 is the position of the footpegs. I am only 5'6" tall and the pegs get in the way whenever I put my feet on the floor - comfortable position for riding, though
Had the same issue few weeks ago , just cleaning the relays it’s packed with a paste to stop rust , fixed it had no problem after that , just giving you a solution that worked for me try doing that or buy new it’s up to you
Did that at 500 miles. This was the second time I had the same issue. Replaced the relays and solved it again... Hopefully for good.
Had my Interceptor just coming up 3 years now and its never missed a beat I love the bike and have kept it absolutley bog standard as it came out of the showroom only thing done normal servicing by the agents
Sorry to hear of your troubles. Here in Germany, my dealer told me that he redoes a lot of work before handing the machine over to a customer. Where did you buy your machine from? Who did the PDI? When did these issues begin? Given the number RE have sold, you seem to have a lemon. But the incident rate of failure seems very low.
I bought it from a very reputable RE dealer who I'm confident does a thorough PDI and knows his stuff. He has been great, but he's too far away to get the bike back to him easily. The local dealer are too busy to help in a reasonable time frame. If the relays don't fix it, it will go back to my dealer somehow and I trust he will take care of it.
And outside of these issues, I absolutely love the bike. The title of the video is deliberately a little misleading and provocative. They are brilliant bikes, no bike can be guaranteed 'trouble free'. Very frustrating though!
Thank you for watching and commenting my friend! Safe travels
@@moto_cal hope the Hitchcock’s relay sorts you out. Keep us posted.
Same issue & same solution.
4000 miles with new relays now & no problems.
Get a full can of contact cleaner and spray the connectors to remove all the grease.
Also clean all the grease out of the black grounding wire connection above the relays.
Replace your relays on every service and make sure you don't run your bike on fuel empty indicator it may damage your fuel pump ... i faced the same issue..
The subject of the relays cropped up when my dealer delivered my bike. Their experience, as you reported from yours, was only a few bikes had been through them (and, against all the other Japanese bikes they sell, they are churning REs out!). He said they remain unconvinced it is the grease issue on relay as such, and although that may not be helping, more of an electrical one causing problems - perhaps through those relays. Their suspicion is that it is also tied to fuelling compounded by the relays.
I've also read that the Hitchcock relays are current rated much higher - 50%-100% more and it seems highly possible that the oems are underrated for their use, spikes and surges, etc. Although I haven't explored why, perhaps experiencing external contact issues or too high a resistance (the grease), overheating coils as you suggest, or burning and pitting of internal contacts - or a combination of factors.
Even within first few hundred miles of running in I have stalled the bike 'a few times' - or, in all fairness, I am not inexperienced and this does appear to be the bike (since I've never had this since a newbie years ago). It did occur to me that clutch and throttle collaboration was not helping, and shutting the throttle to early was stifling the fuelling. However, that doesn't really explain your experience with the overtake at 60ish, which is a rather concerning situation. It DOEs however, suggest fuelling may be at the root of all.
Keep up the Vlogging. Very professional.
There's definitely something going on. Since I replaced the relays, mine has run perfectly. The reflash on the ECU has definitely changed the character of the engine, for the better i would say too. Fingers crossed there's no further issues. I very much appreciate the kind words. Thanks for taking time out of your day to watch and comment. 👍
@@moto_cal Do you have any further information on what the reflash did? Was it a 'refresh' of the existing map or is it a new updated map generally available at any RE dealer, or specifically that Saltire (?) have. Presumably they did it free of charge, but if it's a different map, presumably there is a charge (guess I'd have to talk to them!)
It’s not nice to hear about someone having issues but it is valuable. I am actively looking for a ‘trad’ bike but I am reluctant to buy an RE even though I like them. All the hassles, relying on RE dealers that are miles away and clearly backlogged. Hope you do resolve it. Think I will give them a miss TBH.
I wouldn't want to put you off - lots of people with very reliable bikes with a lot of miles!!
Fingers crossed man 🙏
Sounds like there's a bit of "value engineering" going on at the factory. At least you'll now find out how good Hitchock's mail service is! Sorry to hear about the problems. Seems every model of Enfield has it's particular issues.
Oh I'm well aware! I'm no stranger to them. Great service, albeit a little pricey.
Hi, I suffered the same issues and it totally demoralised me.
I paid forty five pounds for relays from our local auto electrical garage and still suffered exactly the same issue.
Finally I spoke to Hitchcock's and shelled out thirty pounds and touch wood, it's been fine ever since. I agree that you shouldn't have to shell out but as you say, if it cure's the problem then that's all the matters.
Good luck but I think you'll find it's fine when the relays are fitted.
Not a single instance since I fitted them. Frustrating problem to have, but a cheap fix and a distant memory now!!
I had an issue with my interceptor cutting out and it turned out to be the ignition barrel and my local dealer changed it out and I have had no more trouble 🤞
What is the "ignition barrel?" Is it the key switch that turns on the main power?
@@oldgeezerproductions yes sorry should have said ignition switch, every time it cut out I turned it off with the key then back on and she started up every time and ran perfect until the next time it happened
@@hairybiker68 Thanks for the clarification, I still have the original relays in my bike and they seem to be working better with time (if that was indeed the problem). I did experience one bad episode a while back and so instead of turning off and on with the key, I used the kill switch and that seemed to work for me. If I start having problems again, I think my next step is to replace the relays.
It sounds like the relays are electro-mechanical. I once had intermittent problems with my car relay, and substituting a *solid-state* relay solved that.
Excuse my ignorance as am not a mechanic & know as much about mechanics as most people know about deep sea diving in the desert! What exactly is a ‘Reflash’? What’s involved? I plan to get a RE650 when I pass my test(hopefully soon!)I am aware of some of the niggling problems that comes with this bike BUT it hasn’t put me off! Great video👍🏻😎
Glad it hasn't put you off. For everyone who has troubles, there are dozens who have none!!
A 'reflash' is in essence, a software update for the ECU. You can reflash an ECU to resolve any number of issues that the manufacturer has linked back to the ECU (i.e. Gremlins!) My understanding is that the primary reason RE released this update is pretty much a remap and changes the fuelling a little to stop the bike stalling when the throttle is blipped.
I'm assuming that all new bikes rolling off the line already have this version from new, so it's only required for Euro 5 bikes up to whenever they started using this version.
Thank you from taking time out to reply! I am now much wiser then I was lol, These sort of videos are great source of information! I’ve kept a lot of these useful videos just incase I need some sort of reference to look back on! Once again thank you for your help!Safe Riding Dude!👍🏻😎
I had similar problem & spoke to you before about the relays & grease.R.E makes their own I think.I had a loosing power on deacelleration but not cutting out & cleaned all grease but problem persisted.Replaced with Hitchcocks upgraded relays & bike started stronger idled better & have had no problems since.It is truly a great bike & don't let cheap electronics made in India by R.E let you down.This is how R.E keeps their price down by making stuff themselves.Paying a extra $30 for extra for better Relays on top of the purchase price solve all the problems.A guy chopped one in half after similar issues & contacts had signs of eroding.For such a cheap bike £8 each a Relay from Hitchcocks is a small price to pay.
Also Hitchcocks Relays have twice the amps as others & you only use 3 relays as 4th is auxiliary relay.Also
Check the battery cable connectors & clean grease also this is above the relays & hangs above air filter.
I live a hour away & had my bike delivered 80km so I didn't have to stop every 15km on way home during run in for first 150km.R.E should be using a lithium spray on relays not grease they probably make too & use better relays.Not many people actually have a faulty relay but grease issues but after seeing one cut in half R.E should just use better one's.Don't get disheartened over relays bro it is a great bike.
Of course, I agree. The title was deliberately provocative and was a question, rather than a statement! :) you'll be glad to see my update which should publish in the next 30 mins or so. 😉
When running bike in sometimes getting it into first is touchy & will be neutral but no light or vise versa just need to be gentle to get into first.
As the km go up & bike wears in gearbox gets better & false neutrals & having trouble finding 1st will will subside.First 500km is the worse for gearbox & by 1500km bike will be smooth as.
Definately a relay problem. Replace the lot with better quality ones. Mine kept cutting out like yours when new. Replaced the relay and its been absolutely trouble free since. Great bike!
Yup! See VLOG 4 for the joy of the fix. So simple and stupid but glad it was just an easy one. Fingers crossed its smooth sailing from here! (that being said, since that video I've had a puncture and my wife reversed into the bike. Very little luck!)
Stupid me, but which "relay"? What is a "relay problem?" Thank you.
@@timothyahernRoxyCat the euro 5 bike has 3 relays under the left hand side panel (main relay, fuel pump & starter) watch my follow up video and I show you the relays and how to replace them! ua-cam.com/video/oEQR1h1d2Mo/v-deo.html
the company should install good quality relay's when the bike is built in factory... this would help insure not having a relay failure, however, any relay can go bad I do understand
Hey Pal as far as your motorcycle are concern try to configure your ECU components and fix all the wires which are interconnected and fix it don't delay don't wait for any further malfunction hope it ll workout watever your problem still if it persists boom them with a mail....❤❤
I fought the intermittent stalling for over 6000 miles on my 2020 US spec Interceptor. I won't go into the depressing specifics but finally I just moved on to a V7III Moto Guzzi. I sold the Interceptor and never heard from the purchaser.
I have two friends who own the bikes and have had no troubles at all. I loved that bike but I just didn't trust it.
I have a 2020 INT, all stock and currently have 3.5k miles on it, no issues whatsoever. Sorry for your troubles.
Glad to hear it! They are brilliant bikes and still represent great value. Just frustrating when you get hit with an intermittent fault like that, which stops you enjoying the bike! I've since replaced those relays and had zero issues since!! (VLOG 4 on my channel if you wish to see that video!) thanks for watching Jon!
I've read enough accounts of other owners having issues with the relays that I bought a replacement set of higher quality ones, but haven't had to use them so far.
Your motorcycle needs a new ecu and a new updated map from RE. New relays is just to take the relay issues off the table. Fully synthetic oil, which is expensive so doubt the dealers do them at pos. I have a euro 5 interceptor cuts out at blips 1200 rpm to 1300 rpm. This always happens after 15 min into the ride(engine hot at normal operating conditions(lean)). First 15 min AFR mixture, air is choked, so a rich fuel supply and no issue when you blip at 1200 to 1300 rpm. Mine is well and truely fixed and am enjoying the ride. If the dealer really updated/remapped/new map your ecu you shouldn't have these problems.
As others have mentioned there is a lot of misinformation about relays and dielectric grease. Dielectric grease doesn’t conduct electricity so can’t short out other relays. The grease can’t be too thick to break an electrical connection. If it really was the cause of a problem then all bikes would be afflicted. Sometimes the relays aren’t seated properly so probably changing them just means they get seated properly. Euro5 bikes have a Continental ECU which seems to be tuned to be too lean at idle which explains why the dealer ECU flash solves so many problems. Euro4 bikes have a Bosch ECU and doesn’t have this issue.
I hear what you're saying mate, but a few points: cleaning them solved my problems early on, replacing them solved them this time, and from what I understand, (apparently) the dealers are trained by RE to clean them out during PDI because they are aware of the grease causing issues. 🤷
Looks like a fuel pump issue. Check/replace the relay responsible for fuel pump operation.
Sounds like a kickstand censor?
It was the relays after all!
This is the most reliable bike I've had for a long time, not sure what's wrong with yours. Very rare to hear any complaints with these.
I have to disagree. A lot of owners on the Facebook groups complaining of very similar issues to the ones I'm having. Not a day goes by that somebody doesn't ask about the stalling/cutting out issue... Especially within 200 miles of purchase.
That being said, the engine seems to be bulletproof, just electrical issues that continue to let it down. Not enough for me to consider it 'unreliable'... And there are plenty of bikes twice the price that have similar issues.
Wrong! They're having problems left and right, specially with overheating and awful quality control
I changed the relays by royal enfield Scarborough sorted this for free for me its been brilliant with no problem now
Sounds like you may have an intermittent short, somewhere, also.
As it turned out, the relays completely solved the issue!
Should be a factory recall,
I have less trouble with a 1965Triumph that is 60 years old. All the electronics on motorcycle s today are crap. Waiting to have an expensive failure.
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The cause of the problems is the red thumb switch/kill switch. Flick it a bunch of times, on and off. That will cure it.
Actually, for me it was the relays! I uploaded an update if you have a few minutes to kill: ua-cam.com/video/oEQR1h1d2Mo/v-deo.html
The Ghost of Joe Lucas strikes again.
This has actually put me off buying an interceptor 😀
My Triumph was a pos electrics wise.
I wanted to buy a brand new bike and enjoy trouble free biking.
When you break down on the bike you are screwed. Breakdown took 4 to 5 hours every time I called them. Can't go through that again.
This or the scram looked ideal.
But seems many are having this issue and I'm thinking a 3 or 4 year old Japanese bike like a Honda 500 or Suzuki Sv650 might be the way to go for me.
Shame because I love the look and price of the interceptor.
On one hand, it upsets me that I put you off, because it wouldn't stop me buying one again and I constantly recommend this bike to people. On the other hand, all I can share is my own experience, which has been a little rocky. I do know that there are many many (MANY!) owners who cite years of completely trouble free ownership. I still love my Inty and I've had no issues since I replaced those relays! (check out VLOG4)
I have given up on mine
Intermittent faults are the worst. Until it mutates into a hard fault you could be plagued with this for months. You should be enjoying your hard earned purchase not test/diagnosing the fault for RE. You should ask for a refund.
I think RE's are fine as long as you buy with your eyes open , accepting they are a budget bike built
to a price and NOT the bargain of the century as some owners have you believe .
To me a true bargain is a low miles 2nd hand Guzzi V7 , a comparable price to the Interceptor for a
quality Italian made classic with shaft drive and Brembo brakes etc . Lets be honest Its on a completely
different level to the Interceptor and frankly I cannot understand why anyone would not choose it in preference,
.... To be honest the same can be said for a used Bonny .
I like how you positioned that. I think if it has exactly what you are looking for, it does present as the bargain of the century, but there is a slight trade off for sure. I think the ability and peace of mind owning a brand new bike means a lot for many owners. In the new market, its a bargain. In the overall market, sure, you'll get better bikes for the money, no question.
@@moto_cal Thanks for the reply . I have to say I often hear but don't understand the "peace of mind" argument though . What's the difference between a six month old bike that still has years of manufacturers warranty remaining ?
It's them relays. I'll bet all those shorts damaged them long term. Definitely the big issue with these. Just get some new ones mate.
How old is your Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor?
They do have a three year warranty,
I suggest you take it in to your dealer? This is a very rare thing that has happened unfortunately to your bike? I understand your frustration, but it's a bit childish start calling Royal Enfields names?
If your dealership is bad, I would contact the main Importer franchiser, and report the dealer,
There are bad dealers, unfortunately,
But there are more good ones. 😊
Bye the way,
I know lots of 650 Interceptor Owners,
And I have not one of them have replaced RELAYS?
I worry that you've missed something. The title is a question, the video is the answer and it does explain everything I've done to rectify, and also gives credit to my dealer. There a video following this one.... It was the relays and replacing them (our of pocket) with higher spec ones has solved the problem entirely.
And to answer your question - it's a 2022 - so basically brand new.
@@moto_cal
As I say, I think you have been very unfortunate with your particular Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor,
As I know at least a half a dozen Interceptor Owners, and none of them have mentioned this problem,
I do hope that you can get it solved,
As in 48 years of ownership of at least 30 machine's,
The Interceptor is an Absolutely amazing Motorcycle to own and ride.
Cheers Paul 👏
dude Unreliable yes it is but its not a piece of crap. Been riding my INT 650 for 3+ years now been through some small to huge problems & i got em all fixed, if u wana upgrade the Relays do it but what i think your Bike cut out prob is by Fuel Starving issue check your Fuel Pump, & check your side stand sensor. You are welcome
I know this. The title was deliberately a little provocative. I love this bike and if you check out my next video which will publish in the next 30 minutes or so, you'll see my latest update!!
And thank you for watching and commenting my friend!
Chang the relays!
I did! And it fixed the issue so far. Glad it sorted it and not expensive, but I shouldn't have needed to. Spoke to a dealer (not my Usual dealer) last week who refused to accept that the relays were the problem, or the fix. So many people seem to have their head in the sand.
All stuff can Happen on BEST CARS OR BIKES in world just Sometimes shit happens
Absolutely agree, it shouldn't be taken as a reflection of reliability in general, just my own experience. Frustrating but I'm sure I will get there!
I don't like the idea of a chain ⛓️ driven oil 🛢️ pump. That is both cheap and dangerous to the life of your engine. Gear ⚙️ drive is much better. Truth.
Update software, and youd be 100%
Afraid that didn't solve the problem. RE dealer reflashed it and it was still the same. There's a follow up video - the eventual solution wasn't replacing the relays.
It's better to spend more and get a reliable bike than buying this sht
I disagree that spending more money guarantees reliability. I have a friend who had to hand back an Africa Twin after a year due to ongoing issues with the ECU and various other electrical gremlins. What I tried to convey in this video is that I've had some minor, but frustrating issues, which with the support of dealers and a little patience, have been resolved so far without much time off the road. The warranty and roadside assistance have both held up toox I even had a free hire car to keep me on the road while the bike was away getting a puncture repaired. All in all, I'm still happy, but it's important to be honest about my experience and perhaps help others.
You need to get yourself a girlfriend mate……….
Round of applause, you're a genius.
This show poor indian manufacturing
No, it doesn't. I've had my Continental GT650 for 19 months trouble free (has 11,000 km on the clock). I know two other guys in my area with Interceptors of the same vintage and they've had no issues, either. I've heard of new Hondas that have experienced mechanical issues. You're just looking for an axe to grind.