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Interesting. Here's my method and it's a memory palace but instead of items when I go into the house through the front door I always look to the right. That is corner number 1 and moving counter clockwise I have corners 2-4 and the center of the room is 5. Then to the next room numbered the same way 6-10 and so on. In that house it's always numbered the same, if you want to remember in reverse I go backwards. If I know the object but want it's number I just look at the corner it's in. If I want the object from a number I go first to the room with that number (say 13 so I go to room 11 to 15). This lets me remember everything forward, backward and by number. If I need more numbers I add another house, personally I never needed more than 4 houses, but the advantage here is that I could go immediately to next house and skip the first because I knew it contained numbers 26-45 if I wanted 36, or I could go to the object and know it was number 36. I always use the same houses because my mind automatically goes to the right one for the subject of I can put a sign in front of the house. The other thing I do is fill the rooms one day at a time. I start with room 1 review it few times during the day but the most important is right before sleep and immediately when I wake up. Day 2 I add room two and go through all of rooms 1 and 2 before sleep and upon wake, third day add room three and so forth. You can move to first house first day first and second house second day etc. So it's variant on the geometric method. NOW, here's an idea I have toyed with for dance and martial arts or anything with choreography which would be even better with the geometric method. Draw out the diagram of the movement, assign objects that reflect how to do the movement and place those objects on the diagram where they should be. For example, in Tai Chi all the positions are descriptive, like PLAY GUITAR or LADY WEAVING SHUTTLE so I suspect the 108 Tai Chi form was designed using this method. If your dance doesn't have descriptive names for the moves just make them up yourself, and you could also number the positions in your geometric maze and do it forward or backward or start from anywhere in between. It would make a great illustrated book or video and after it's memorized you just need to polish the actual physical skills. It would save you and the instructor a boatload of time.
Just had another idea. You know those boards cops make where they put photos on the wall and connect them with strings? Or "conspiracy theories" do with news articles? These are actually intuitive memory "palaces", you could do the same with choreography. Something else I do to put things in long term are commentary and essays. Copy a text and do line by line commentary or write the essay/commentary as you use your memory palace. I moved from writing essays per se to doing comments on videos etc. Saying it with someone in mind who may respond puts it long term even faster. And if you get a debate going even better.
as a student of magnetic memory masterclass and as a math teacher i love this video and hope to learn more abot the geometry ansd the memory palace .... thanks a lot anthony
Thanks for checking this one out. There's definitely a few things more to say about math and Memory Palaces. Did you catch the other comment here about tessellation, for example? That is a rabbit hole I need to get into!
That can't be true. Otherwise, who would teach me? There are many, many people better than me - astonishingly so. But I appreciate your kind words very much.
If you use the faces of a dodecahedron as your palace, you could roll a d12 for recall training. Then, instead of going to the next or previous number, look at the surrounding numbers on the die for further recall practice.
Could be expanded on if you use a full set of rpg dice. Tetrahedrons, hexahedrons, octahedrons, pentagonal trapezohedrons, dodecahedrons, and icosahedrons. @@AnthonyMetivierMMM
Ngl that gives me some big ideas for both memory palace stuff AND the DnD game I’m DM’ing for my lil siblings. I had an idea rolling around that I’d give them a special die and they’d roll for some special storyline event, but I couldn’t figure out how to go about doing that without pages and pages of writing. With the geometric shape-palaces though, I just might be able to put this into action! It’d be a very interesting first attempt, at least 😂
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'm a strange one for sure, but essentially, it all started for me with the rules of Triginometry, the Soh/Cah/Toa rules then led to more 'triangular' patterns such as the Voltage, Current, and Resistance equations. Also speed, wavelength and frequency of light, and then in 2012 I came across the idea that Energy is a Triangle...at that point the whole world of physics opened up, although from a different geometric foundation than what mainstream credentialed academics would deem possible. When you tessellate triangles, something unexpected happens. Triangles tessellate to form "Square" numbers. You can do all sorts of mathematical manipulation of triangles, using Algebraic formula, and when using the mental mnemonic, it's super easy to formulate a myriad of physical relationships, no need for notes. I carry physics in my memory banks. Much too complicated to type out with words, but with geometry as the guide, mathematics begins to make a lot more sense. So, if triangles are Squares, the number of triangles running up the apex represents the square root of energy, which is essentially linear momentum or the square root of scalar energy fields. The Tetractys of Pythagoras also holds secret mnemonics related to triangular numbers, ratios in musical notes, scale structures, and much much more. Mental mnemonics are useful in so many ways. See Wayne Roberts and his Scale Sturcture Theory, and Kelvin Abraham with his Tetryonics and you'll get a better view of the power of raw geometric relationships, once you see how energy itself is actually a triangle. The holy trinity, the law of three, and so many other triple actions are combined in a single approach thus restoring intuition to physics. Not the easiest to explain in words but viewing the images, you'll start to see how powerful this approach really is. I continue to map philosophy, historical information, and I encode as much as I can into shapes first, just as you've described.
Thanks so much for mentioning these different avenues for exploration. I'm going to dig into these... And they remind me of my wish to eventually talk about memorizing music, especially for pieces like this: ua-cam.com/video/N6iHzX_YH6E/v-deo.html
I will need to start a trial with this system. My issue with using a "traditional" memory palaces is that my mind tries too hard to associate things based on the location of real places. With something more abstract, I can basically construct my own and it will take the shape of itself (like your example with using Germany to pass a German immigration exam). The part with the organizing information is also inspiring me to experiment to combine geometry with mind maps for the purposes of notetaking. Not sure how I might want to go about it since mind maps are generally free-flowing, but other mind map teachers do use rectangles to mark the main idea and ovals or ellipses as the main points branching from the center. This actually reminds me the basics of drawing and 3D animation. In any drawing class, the one thing they teach is to imagine an object as a a collection of geometric shapes (squares, cubes, circles, spheres) and the variations of those shapes. In 3D art and also computer aided design, while those two techniques are different, the basics is that every object is a collection of "primitives" (3D speak for geometric shape) combined together with elements. The Geometric Memory Palace has this potential of becoming a collection of shapes to become a whole scene.
Definitely making up one's own shapes is a key, and in fact the basics of what the Memory Palace technique is (each journey is effectively a constellation of shapes that are usually unique to the individual).
This method is really attractive to me I think I will try to memorize some poetry with this, though probably not soon (yet); this really appeals to me as I sort of feel that the normal place memory palace technique has the connection between what's memorized and the place to be a bit too arbitrary, but with this it seems to me that I could appropriate better what's memorized with where
Thank you Anthony for another inspiring avenue of exploration! I’m a huge fan of sacred geometry, I’ll definitely try it out. In your experience, is anchoring images to a shape self-sufficient in terms of loci magnetism, or does it add more staying power to place that shape in a real-life location? (Like the example you gave of the desk of cards that is on a desk in I believe your former apartment in Berlin?) On the topic of chaos training, I was reading Rhetorica ad Herrennius two days ago and Cicero (or whomever the author might have been) gives that very advice, train your memory with harder to recall things in order to have it fully functional on the fly as you need it. BTW, I’m taking a deep dive into ars rhetorica these days, and if you’re ever interested in re-visiting the topic of the links between mnemonics and rhetoric with all that you’ve learned since your ted talk, I’d be super interested in hearing what you have to say on the topic👌
Thanks as always for your great comments and support. I personally find that using real life locations is better, but I do add geometry to them sometimes, as in my TEDx Talk and the F.R.E.E. example. The fact that the background is real and very familiar assists in adding these elements. In terms of rhetoric, I'm not sure if you have gone through the speech course in the MMM Masterclass, but I discuss a few of the techniques I deployed in there. I might revisit it again in the future on UA-cam, and please let me know if you have any questions about it. Long story short, the key thing is to read a lot, write a lot and be conscious of opportunities to use rhetorical devices... and not use them. I would say that I decline to use them more often than not and generally save them for very special occasions.
After a few hours of thinking, this is what I got. Each side has 9 cubes of a rubix cube. But each individual cube has 4 corners. The red sides, I will just dedicate to my school. I number each cube 1 to 9. In cube one I imagine a red plane, but that didn't work. So I just put the corners of the small cube red and everything else black and white. Since it's an empty space with 4 red corners, I could think of this path like a circle. Inception made me think that when we dream is always in a circle. I would put items along this path like a red dinosaur, or a man with a red stethoscope, and make stories in that path. I could even make the plane of this cube into a garage or a locker. I will use the first 3 cubes for this semester. Then 4 to 6 in my next semester. In theory I think it will work. But thank you for the idea. I have been thinking about it when i first started using mind palace.
Hi Anthony, Just wrapping up reading the Victorious Mind (had to get a book version!). I’m really fascinated by the use of geometric figures as memory palaces. I’m running into an issue with my memory palace and was wondering if you had any advice: I listened to your talk with John Michael Greer regarding Giordano Bruno and loved every minute. I’m currently trying to memorize a glyph known as the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. The glyph is compose of ten spheres and 22 paths that connect them. Each sphere is seen as an emanation of the Divine and has a litany of correspondences to be memorized. My plan is to use my house with each room as a macro-station for the sphere. The problem I’m running into is how to connect the 22 pathways with the various spheres. Each pathway containing additional correspondences. The pathways cross each other making it hard to create a nautilus walking pattern like you suggest in the book. Additionally I’m unsure how to make sure each path is memorized in geometric order, so I don’t get all lost in my palace. Based on the geometric glyph of the tree of life how would you suggest utilizing spatial memory to memorize the 22 crossing paths that link the spheres together? I wasn’t sure whether to send you an email or to post on UA-cam, but figured I’d reach out and thank you for the fascinating book, and all the gold you put into each and every video! Alex S.
Thanks for reading TVM and great that you're into Greer. I hope he will do some more work on Bruno or in memory at large. I'm not entirely sure how I would deal with the Tree of Life, but here's a possible route... The essential shape is basically 3, 3, 3 and 1 (or 3, 1, 3, 3, 1 if you count Da'ath). This is quite easy to bring to mind as what they call it: a tree. Or perhaps not "easy," but definitely not rocket science given the geometry inherent in the configuration. So with that in mind, I would just probably use the tree itself as the Memory Palace. Then, I would use a 00-99 PAO to pick up all the other details, perhaps by placing Brunoian statues on the different passages and points. That way, while doing Recall Rehearsal, I'm actually on and in and with the Tree of Life as opposed to disassembling and reassemling parts of it. I'm not sure, but I would imagine this is how the ancestors would have done it as well, possible with reference to an actual tree that they might have physically built. On that note, I built my first lukasa two days ago. The clay is still drying and I need to paint and then use it to memorize something. I'll probably do a video on that once done. In the meantime, does this way of looking at things make sense and help you out?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks for the response! :) Just to make sure I understood correctly. It would probably best to use the tree itself as a memory palace instead of a floor plan. For each of the spheres, I would imagine a separate room with different pathways connecting to each sphere? Then utilize a PAO to help with all the correspondences in the various paths? Would I want to use a magnetic bridging figure to go along with the journey? Also, super pumped to see your lukasa!
I don't know for sure that using the tree itself directly would be "best," but I would choose it as my best first bet. Possibly with reference to a real tree to split the difference. I didn't mean necessarily that each sphere would connect to a room or Memory Palace, but you could explore that. It's a solid idea and would likely give you all the space you need. There are countless ways that a PAO System can be deployed, and correspondences is one of them. Bridging Figures also play in big time in most of my mnemonic efforts. But the extent to which you use it is really your adventure to decide. I'm not trying to dodge your question, but the fact that you know this term means you know that I already recommend it. I just cannot say that this is the best way to deal with the Tree of Life because I haven't done it myself and I might shift strategies were I to engage in this learning project. The lukasa is still quite heavy and not quite dry, but hopefully I can paint it next week and then get started and hopefully have a video on it September.
If you're using a duodecahedron, how do you keep track of which face is assigned to a certain concept? How does 3 dimensional aspect get invoked in your recall? If you have aphantasia, how does that work? I'm hyperphantasic, and I can't even keep track of it!
Learn this system: ua-cam.com/video/vonJWVr9EMY/v-deo.html Then follow-up with the system I suggest at the end of the lesson. Apply that technique to each surface, something that can be done in both geometrical and traditional Memory Palaces.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Got it. I asked ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini for a shortcut and got some good ideas from only Gemini. Claude and ChatGPT said to just place the images you want to remember in each of the shapes, which wouldn't work because there's no attachment image to yoke that which you want to remember. Below is my question and Gemini's response. In a memory palace used by memory experts, an expert uses a duodecahedron placed on one corner of a table as an attachment point for 12 loci. On another corner, he places a pentagon which provides 5 more loci. On another, he places a square which provides 4 loci, one for each corner. On the final table corner, he places a rubik's cube, with each of its nine faces providing a locus, for a total of 9 loci from that cube. Therefore, the table has how many total loci? And how does the memory expert attach images to each of those shapes' vertices in a way that permits instant recall? Show drafts The table has a total of 30 loci. Here's how the memory expert can attach images to each of those shapes' vertices in a way that permits instant recall: Choose a theme or topic: The first step is to choose a theme or topic for the information that needs to be memorized. This will help the memory expert to create associations between the information and the loci. Create a journey: The memory expert then creates a journey through the memory palace. This journey will help them to remember the order of the loci. Attach images to the loci: As the memory expert walks through the journey, they attach images to each of the loci. The images should be vivid, unusual, and memorable. They should also be related to the information that needs to be memorized. Create associations between the images and the information: The memory expert then creates associations between the images and the information. This is where the creativity of the memory expert comes into play. They can use any type of association that they find helpful. For example, they might use rhyming, alliteration, or visual similarities. Here is an example of how a memory expert might attach images to the loci in the memory palace described in the prompt: Duodecahedron: The memory expert might attach images of the 12 months of the year to the vertices of the duodecahedron. Pentagon: The memory expert might attach images of the five Great Lakes to the vertices of the pentagon. Square: The memory expert might attach images of the four cardinal directions to the vertices of the square. Rubik's Cube: The memory expert might attach images of the nine planets of the solar system to the faces of the Rubik's Cube. Once the memory expert has attached images to all of the loci, they can use the journey through the memory palace to recall the information. By walking through the journey and visualizing the images, the memory expert can recall the information that is associated with each locus.
The way it seems to work for me is that when I have something properly encoded into a mind palace I have an experience somewhere between the mythical "I must go to my mind palace" and the instant recall of just knowing something. Maybe it's down to the fact that I tend to think in pictures anyway but I tend to "see" flashes of the mnemonic imagery in my head, instantly flash in my mind as I am attempting to recall the information, I don't generally need to think about where I put it or which mind palace it is in, that's an indication I haven't done enough recall rehearsal yet, and I don't need to consciously decode the image, but it does just pop up all on its own without me searching for it or calling on it necessarily. That's just my own experience anyways
That is a good "stress test" of where things are at with the process. A huge part of the greatness of this technique is that you don't have to wait for an app to remind you or enter a 1-5 self-test metric. You just know purely from the basis of your own mind.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM that's one of the things I love about the way this works is that there's a lot less ambiguity as to rather or not I know something and how deeply, I know to what degree I know the material
Hello and thank you for your valuable work. Bit of an unrelated topic to the video, but definitely related to memory. Say I wanted to remind myself to correct my posture every time I pass through a doorway. Is it possible to create that association in my mind? Usually when I try to do that, eventually I just forget to do that and the association disappears.
I work on this, as it happens. But rather than make it a memory task as such, I do Qigong and some Tai Chi pretty much daily, with weekly push ups, squats and leg raises. There are also daily breathing and yoga postures too. Stretches in doorways are good to learn as well, and in this way, every time you pass through a door it can remind you of your posture. But ultimately, it seems to me that actual physical exercise is ultimately the key along with minimal screen time, particularly on mobile.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Hello and thank you for your answer. I'm afraid I didn't make my question clear enough. I was using the correction of my posture as an example of wanting to remind myself of something, but it can be anything really. I am wondering is it possible to create an association in my mind between passing through a doorway and doing something, so that that action becomes automatic when I pass through a doorway. I hope that my question is clearer now. Thank you for your time nonetheless.
It is definitely possible to work on that, @SpesRubra-lv2mw. It's possible that you'll get it into procedural memory. However, I don't think mnemonics are the best possible approach to trying to remind oneself of something. Largely, mnemonics have to do with instilling verbatim information and/or semantic material with some applications to procedural and prospective memory. Here's one thing to consider that I've done: When I wanted to learn a particularly challenging cardistry move, I left a deck of cards on a part of the counter I always walked passed. I would see it, pick it up and execute the moves. Then put it back down. This was much more effective than trying to construct a mnemonic solution to remind myself of my commitment to learning the butterfly cut. I just made it impossible to ignore, and all the more so because of the nature of the skill I was studying. Hope this helps!
I played 1000 hours EU4 so when ı learned a new thing from book generally that otomatically somehow goes a spesific place likely europa north africa and china.İ hope this video help me about memory places.Thank you
16 years ago I experimented with this idea. I concluded that it does not really work. It does not fit our brains well. I can add that with a more natural loci method I was able to memorize 4000 digits of Pi.
Any stats on how long you spent and for what kind of information? As you can tell by the examples given in this video, pi definitely would not be a recommendation at all for this approach. Would love to hear more specifics on your experience.
Without knowing your study ethic, it’s hard to say. But I can tell you that some of my best students have been engineers and they are generally a pleasure to assist. I believe that the engineering-mindset has perhaps not an advantage but a proclivity for the way that memory techniques are best approached. Please pet me know if you have further questions and I’ll get back to you a.s.a.p.
Thanks kindly for your interest in my training. Yes, there is a full suite of courses, but I recommend people take my free course first (link in the description). Please let me know if you have any questions about signing up and I'll get back to you a.s.a.p.
Thanks for your interest in TVM. There’s definitely a bit of overlap. The reasons to read t include learning more about memory, discovering ways to increase focus through meditation and discovering a new way to think about consciousness.
Some people have told me that some mandalas do indeed expand into something much like mansions that the users walk around. As for the fractals, the key would be to have Recall Rehearsal always in view for maximum results. Otherwise, it wouldn't really matter if it can be done.
A relative short video, but so many gold nuggets in there! Simple squares with 4 or 8 data points work best for me, hands down. No other geometrical shape i played around with served as well as the square. Second best is the "clock" (circle). But the pillar and the triangle you mention in the video also look very helpful, so I will use them in my next memory palace for sure. Thanks again, Anthony!
Glad you found some useful ideas here. I have used clock-like structures before and discussed that here: ua-cam.com/video/3I7h98IKaho/v-deo.html It's basically another way of looking at the same thing.
Define "work," and please include what specifically you've done to confirm the definition of "work" and for how long. Otherwise, I humbly suggest that you have not fully absorbed the point of the video.
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Interesting. Here's my method and it's a memory palace but instead of items when I go into the house through the front door I always look to the right. That is corner number 1 and moving counter clockwise I have corners 2-4 and the center of the room is 5. Then to the next room numbered the same way 6-10 and so on. In that house it's always numbered the same, if you want to remember in reverse I go backwards. If I know the object but want it's number I just look at the corner it's in. If I want the object from a number I go first to the room with that number (say 13 so I go to room 11 to 15). This lets me remember everything forward, backward and by number. If I need more numbers I add another house, personally I never needed more than 4 houses, but the advantage here is that I could go immediately to next house and skip the first because I knew it contained numbers 26-45 if I wanted 36, or I could go to the object and know it was number 36.
I always use the same houses because my mind automatically goes to the right one for the subject of I can put a sign in front of the house.
The other thing I do is fill the rooms one day at a time. I start with room 1 review it few times during the day but the most important is right before sleep and immediately when I wake up. Day 2 I add room two and go through all of rooms 1 and 2 before sleep and upon wake, third day add room three and so forth. You can move to first house first day first and second house second day etc. So it's variant on the geometric method.
NOW, here's an idea I have toyed with for dance and martial arts or anything with choreography which would be even better with the geometric method. Draw out the diagram of the movement, assign objects that reflect how to do the movement and place those objects on the diagram where they should be. For example, in Tai Chi all the positions are descriptive, like PLAY GUITAR or LADY WEAVING SHUTTLE so I suspect the 108 Tai Chi form was designed using this method.
If your dance doesn't have descriptive names for the moves just make them up yourself, and you could also number the positions in your geometric maze and do it forward or backward or start from anywhere in between. It would make a great illustrated book or video and after it's memorized you just need to polish the actual physical skills. It would save you and the instructor a boatload of time.
Just had another idea. You know those boards cops make where they put photos on the wall and connect them with strings? Or "conspiracy theories" do with news articles? These are actually intuitive memory "palaces", you could do the same with choreography.
Something else I do to put things in long term are commentary and essays. Copy a text and do line by line commentary or write the essay/commentary as you use your memory palace. I moved from writing essays per se to doing comments on videos etc. Saying it with someone in mind who may respond puts it long term even faster. And if you get a debate going even better.
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as a student of magnetic memory masterclass and as a math teacher i love this video and hope to learn more abot the geometry ansd the memory palace .... thanks a lot anthony
Thanks for checking this one out.
There's definitely a few things more to say about math and Memory Palaces. Did you catch the other comment here about tessellation, for example? That is a rabbit hole I need to get into!
These videos are so great.I have completed MMM, and continue to return and enhance these techniques-now as a well seasoned senior! Thanks as Always!
Thanks as always for your support of the MMM project, Bill!
Thanks so much!
Thanks for checking it out. How have you been lately?
A good motivator to learn geometry.
Definitely!
You are the best teacher in the world. Thanks for all your valuable videos.❤
That can't be true. Otherwise, who would teach me? There are many, many people better than me - astonishingly so. But I appreciate your kind words very much.
If you use the faces of a dodecahedron as your palace, you could roll a d12 for recall training. Then, instead of going to the next or previous number, look at the surrounding numbers on the die for further recall practice.
Interesting idea!
Could be expanded on if you use a full set of rpg dice. Tetrahedrons, hexahedrons, octahedrons, pentagonal trapezohedrons, dodecahedrons, and icosahedrons. @@AnthonyMetivierMMM
Well worth experimenting with - please keep us posted if you do!
Ngl that gives me some big ideas for both memory palace stuff AND the DnD game I’m DM’ing for my lil siblings. I had an idea rolling around that I’d give them a special die and they’d roll for some special storyline event, but I couldn’t figure out how to go about doing that without pages and pages of writing.
With the geometric shape-palaces though, I just might be able to put this into action! It’d be a very interesting first attempt, at least 😂
I've been mapping my interests and related information to geometry for a long time... Great exposition here. The adventure deepens.
Very cool!
Any particular insights you’ve had from your adventures so far?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'm a strange one for sure, but essentially, it all started for me with the rules of Triginometry, the Soh/Cah/Toa rules then led to more 'triangular' patterns such as the Voltage, Current, and Resistance equations. Also speed, wavelength and frequency of light, and then in 2012 I came across the idea that Energy is a Triangle...at that point the whole world of physics opened up, although from a different geometric foundation than what mainstream credentialed academics would deem possible. When you tessellate triangles, something unexpected happens. Triangles tessellate to form "Square" numbers. You can do all sorts of mathematical manipulation of triangles, using Algebraic formula, and when using the mental mnemonic, it's super easy to formulate a myriad of physical relationships, no need for notes. I carry physics in my memory banks. Much too complicated to type out with words, but with geometry as the guide, mathematics begins to make a lot more sense. So, if triangles are Squares, the number of triangles running up the apex represents the square root of energy, which is essentially linear momentum or the square root of scalar energy fields. The Tetractys of Pythagoras also holds secret mnemonics related to triangular numbers, ratios in musical notes, scale structures, and much much more. Mental mnemonics are useful in so many ways. See Wayne Roberts and his Scale Sturcture Theory, and Kelvin Abraham with his Tetryonics and you'll get a better view of the power of raw geometric relationships, once you see how energy itself is actually a triangle. The holy trinity, the law of three, and so many other triple actions are combined in a single approach thus restoring intuition to physics. Not the easiest to explain in words but viewing the images, you'll start to see how powerful this approach really is. I continue to map philosophy, historical information, and I encode as much as I can into shapes first, just as you've described.
Thanks so much for mentioning these different avenues for exploration. I'm going to dig into these...
And they remind me of my wish to eventually talk about memorizing music, especially for pieces like this:
ua-cam.com/video/N6iHzX_YH6E/v-deo.html
I will need to start a trial with this system. My issue with using a "traditional" memory palaces is that my mind tries too hard to associate things based on the location of real places. With something more abstract, I can basically construct my own and it will take the shape of itself (like your example with using Germany to pass a German immigration exam). The part with the organizing information is also inspiring me to experiment to combine geometry with mind maps for the purposes of notetaking. Not sure how I might want to go about it since mind maps are generally free-flowing, but other mind map teachers do use rectangles to mark the main idea and ovals or ellipses as the main points branching from the center.
This actually reminds me the basics of drawing and 3D animation. In any drawing class, the one thing they teach is to imagine an object as a a collection of geometric shapes (squares, cubes, circles, spheres) and the variations of those shapes. In 3D art and also computer aided design, while those two techniques are different, the basics is that every object is a collection of "primitives" (3D speak for geometric shape) combined together with elements. The Geometric Memory Palace has this potential of becoming a collection of shapes to become a whole scene.
Definitely making up one's own shapes is a key, and in fact the basics of what the Memory Palace technique is (each journey is effectively a constellation of shapes that are usually unique to the individual).
This method is really attractive to me I think I will try to memorize some poetry with this, though probably not soon (yet); this really appeals to me as I sort of feel that the normal place memory palace technique has the connection between what's memorized and the place to be a bit too arbitrary, but with this it seems to me that I could appropriate better what's memorized with where
The arbitrary/non-arbitrary issue is an interesting one. Something to discuss further in the future.
Thank you Anthony for another inspiring avenue of exploration! I’m a huge fan of sacred geometry, I’ll definitely try it out.
In your experience, is anchoring images to a shape self-sufficient in terms of loci magnetism, or does it add more staying power to place that shape in a real-life location? (Like the example you gave of the desk of cards that is on a desk in I believe your former apartment in Berlin?)
On the topic of chaos training, I was reading Rhetorica ad Herrennius two days ago and Cicero (or whomever the author might have been) gives that very advice, train your memory with harder to recall things in order to have it fully functional on the fly as you need it. BTW, I’m taking a deep dive into ars rhetorica these days, and if you’re ever interested in re-visiting the topic of the links between mnemonics and rhetoric with all that you’ve learned since your ted talk, I’d be super interested in hearing what you have to say on the topic👌
Thanks as always for your great comments and support.
I personally find that using real life locations is better, but I do add geometry to them sometimes, as in my TEDx Talk and the F.R.E.E. example. The fact that the background is real and very familiar assists in adding these elements.
In terms of rhetoric, I'm not sure if you have gone through the speech course in the MMM Masterclass, but I discuss a few of the techniques I deployed in there. I might revisit it again in the future on UA-cam, and please let me know if you have any questions about it.
Long story short, the key thing is to read a lot, write a lot and be conscious of opportunities to use rhetorical devices... and not use them. I would say that I decline to use them more often than not and generally save them for very special occasions.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks, I haven’t checked the speech course yet. I’ll make sure to check it out soon
After a few hours of thinking, this is what I got. Each side has 9 cubes of a rubix cube. But each individual cube has 4 corners. The red sides, I will just dedicate to my school. I number each cube 1 to 9.
In cube one I imagine a red plane, but that didn't work. So I just put the corners of the small cube red and everything else black and white. Since it's an empty space with 4 red corners, I could think of this path like a circle. Inception made me think that when we dream is always in a circle.
I would put items along this path like a red dinosaur, or a man with a red stethoscope, and make stories in that path. I could even make the plane of this cube into a garage or a locker. I will use the first 3 cubes for this semester. Then 4 to 6 in my next semester. In theory I think it will work. But thank you for the idea. I have been thinking about it when i first started using mind palace.
Please share an update as you progress, and as time allows. That would be great.
Hi Anthony,
Just wrapping up reading the Victorious Mind (had to get a book version!). I’m really fascinated by the use of geometric figures as memory palaces. I’m running into an issue with my memory palace and was wondering if you had any advice:
I listened to your talk with John Michael Greer regarding Giordano Bruno and loved every minute. I’m currently trying to memorize a glyph known as the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. The glyph is compose of ten spheres and 22 paths that connect them. Each sphere is seen as an emanation of the Divine and has a litany of correspondences to be memorized.
My plan is to use my house with each room as a macro-station for the sphere. The problem I’m running into is how to connect the 22 pathways with the various spheres. Each pathway containing additional correspondences. The pathways cross each other making it hard to create a nautilus walking pattern like you suggest in the book. Additionally I’m unsure how to make sure each path is memorized in geometric order, so I don’t get all lost in my palace. Based on the geometric glyph of the tree of life how would you suggest utilizing spatial memory to memorize the 22 crossing paths that link the spheres together?
I wasn’t sure whether to send you an email or to post on UA-cam, but figured I’d reach out and thank you for the fascinating book, and all the gold you put into each and every video!
Alex S.
Thanks for reading TVM and great that you're into Greer. I hope he will do some more work on Bruno or in memory at large.
I'm not entirely sure how I would deal with the Tree of Life, but here's a possible route...
The essential shape is basically 3, 3, 3 and 1 (or 3, 1, 3, 3, 1 if you count Da'ath).
This is quite easy to bring to mind as what they call it: a tree. Or perhaps not "easy," but definitely not rocket science given the geometry inherent in the configuration.
So with that in mind, I would just probably use the tree itself as the Memory Palace. Then, I would use a 00-99 PAO to pick up all the other details, perhaps by placing Brunoian statues on the different passages and points. That way, while doing Recall Rehearsal, I'm actually on and in and with the Tree of Life as opposed to disassembling and reassemling parts of it.
I'm not sure, but I would imagine this is how the ancestors would have done it as well, possible with reference to an actual tree that they might have physically built.
On that note, I built my first lukasa two days ago. The clay is still drying and I need to paint and then use it to memorize something. I'll probably do a video on that once done.
In the meantime, does this way of looking at things make sense and help you out?
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Thanks for the response! :) Just to make sure I understood correctly. It would probably best to use the tree itself as a memory palace instead of a floor plan. For each of the spheres, I would imagine a separate room with different pathways connecting to each sphere? Then utilize a PAO to help with all the correspondences in the various paths?
Would I want to use a magnetic bridging figure to go along with the journey?
Also, super pumped to see your lukasa!
I don't know for sure that using the tree itself directly would be "best," but I would choose it as my best first bet. Possibly with reference to a real tree to split the difference.
I didn't mean necessarily that each sphere would connect to a room or Memory Palace, but you could explore that. It's a solid idea and would likely give you all the space you need.
There are countless ways that a PAO System can be deployed, and correspondences is one of them. Bridging Figures also play in big time in most of my mnemonic efforts. But the extent to which you use it is really your adventure to decide. I'm not trying to dodge your question, but the fact that you know this term means you know that I already recommend it. I just cannot say that this is the best way to deal with the Tree of Life because I haven't done it myself and I might shift strategies were I to engage in this learning project.
The lukasa is still quite heavy and not quite dry, but hopefully I can paint it next week and then get started and hopefully have a video on it September.
If you're using a duodecahedron, how do you keep track of which face is assigned to a certain concept? How does 3 dimensional aspect get invoked in your recall? If you have aphantasia, how does that work? I'm hyperphantasic, and I can't even keep track of it!
Learn this system:
ua-cam.com/video/vonJWVr9EMY/v-deo.html
Then follow-up with the system I suggest at the end of the lesson. Apply that technique to each surface, something that can be done in both geometrical and traditional Memory Palaces.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Got it. I asked ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini for a shortcut and got some good ideas from only Gemini. Claude and ChatGPT said to just place the images you want to remember in each of the shapes, which wouldn't work because there's no attachment image to yoke that which you want to remember.
Below is my question and Gemini's response.
In a memory palace used by memory experts, an expert uses a duodecahedron placed on one corner of a table as an attachment point for 12 loci. On another corner, he places a pentagon which provides 5 more loci. On another, he places a square which provides 4 loci, one for each corner. On the final table corner, he places a rubik's cube, with each of its nine faces providing a locus, for a total of 9 loci from that cube. Therefore, the table has how many total loci? And how does the memory expert attach images to each of those shapes' vertices in a way that permits instant recall?
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The table has a total of 30 loci.
Here's how the memory expert can attach images to each of those shapes' vertices in a way that permits instant recall:
Choose a theme or topic: The first step is to choose a theme or topic for the information that needs to be memorized. This will help the memory expert to create associations between the information and the loci.
Create a journey: The memory expert then creates a journey through the memory palace. This journey will help them to remember the order of the loci.
Attach images to the loci: As the memory expert walks through the journey, they attach images to each of the loci. The images should be vivid, unusual, and memorable. They should also be related to the information that needs to be memorized.
Create associations between the images and the information: The memory expert then creates associations between the images and the information. This is where the creativity of the memory expert comes into play. They can use any type of association that they find helpful. For example, they might use rhyming, alliteration, or visual similarities.
Here is an example of how a memory expert might attach images to the loci in the memory palace described in the prompt:
Duodecahedron: The memory expert might attach images of the 12 months of the year to the vertices of the duodecahedron.
Pentagon: The memory expert might attach images of the five Great Lakes to the vertices of the pentagon.
Square: The memory expert might attach images of the four cardinal directions to the vertices of the square.
Rubik's Cube: The memory expert might attach images of the nine planets of the solar system to the faces of the Rubik's Cube.
Once the memory expert has attached images to all of the loci, they can use the journey through the memory palace to recall the information. By walking through the journey and visualizing the images, the memory expert can recall the information that is associated with each locus.
The toy is getting better, that's for sure. Still not much personality in the writing, though... ;-)
Is it possible to use the points of these geometric shapes as loci or does this only end with using faces only??
I show using the points in this video. 🙏
Much appreciated
Hi Anthony,
To my mind, the Subscrbe button reminds me of the chariot racetrack in the movie, Ben Hur. Such chaos!!
Great association! Many thanks for mentioning it! 🙏🧠🔥
The way it seems to work for me is that when I have something properly encoded into a mind palace I have an experience somewhere between the mythical "I must go to my mind palace" and the instant recall of just knowing something. Maybe it's down to the fact that I tend to think in pictures anyway but I tend to "see" flashes of the mnemonic imagery in my head, instantly flash in my mind as I am attempting to recall the information, I don't generally need to think about where I put it or which mind palace it is in, that's an indication I haven't done enough recall rehearsal yet, and I don't need to consciously decode the image, but it does just pop up all on its own without me searching for it or calling on it necessarily. That's just my own experience anyways
That is a good "stress test" of where things are at with the process. A huge part of the greatness of this technique is that you don't have to wait for an app to remind you or enter a 1-5 self-test metric. You just know purely from the basis of your own mind.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM that's one of the things I love about the way this works is that there's a lot less ambiguity as to rather or not I know something and how deeply, I know to what degree I know the material
The shape of the subscribe button looks like a 2d shadow of a cilinder.
For three dimensional objects, you each of the edges, points, or faces as three different sets of loci
I have that card deck.. I will try using them for this..
Enjoy!
Hello and thank you for your valuable work. Bit of an unrelated topic to the video, but definitely related to memory. Say I wanted to remind myself to correct my posture every time I pass through a doorway. Is it possible to create that association in my mind? Usually when I try to do that, eventually I just forget to do that and the association disappears.
I work on this, as it happens.
But rather than make it a memory task as such, I do Qigong and some Tai Chi pretty much daily, with weekly push ups, squats and leg raises. There are also daily breathing and yoga postures too.
Stretches in doorways are good to learn as well, and in this way, every time you pass through a door it can remind you of your posture. But ultimately, it seems to me that actual physical exercise is ultimately the key along with minimal screen time, particularly on mobile.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Hello and thank you for your answer. I'm afraid I didn't make my question clear enough. I was using the correction of my posture as an example of wanting to remind myself of something, but it can be anything really. I am wondering is it possible to create an association in my mind between passing through a doorway and doing something, so that that action becomes automatic when I pass through a doorway. I hope that my question is clearer now. Thank you for your time nonetheless.
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It is definitely possible to work on that, @SpesRubra-lv2mw. It's possible that you'll get it into procedural memory.
However, I don't think mnemonics are the best possible approach to trying to remind oneself of something. Largely, mnemonics have to do with instilling verbatim information and/or semantic material with some applications to procedural and prospective memory.
Here's one thing to consider that I've done:
When I wanted to learn a particularly challenging cardistry move, I left a deck of cards on a part of the counter I always walked passed. I would see it, pick it up and execute the moves. Then put it back down.
This was much more effective than trying to construct a mnemonic solution to remind myself of my commitment to learning the butterfly cut. I just made it impossible to ignore, and all the more so because of the nature of the skill I was studying.
Hope this helps!
I played 1000 hours EU4 so when ı learned a new thing from book generally that otomatically somehow goes a spesific place likely europa north africa and china.İ hope this video help me about memory places.Thank you
Happy memorizing!
16 years ago I experimented with this idea. I concluded that it does not really work. It does not fit our brains well. I can add that with a more natural loci method I was able to memorize 4000 digits of Pi.
Any stats on how long you spent and for what kind of information? As you can tell by the examples given in this video, pi definitely would not be a recommendation at all for this approach.
Would love to hear more specifics on your experience.
I am engineering student. Taking course like heat transfer, fluid mechanics, engr statics. do you think your coaching/ lessons can help me improve?
Without knowing your study ethic, it’s hard to say. But I can tell you that some of my best students have been engineers and they are generally a pleasure to assist.
I believe that the engineering-mindset has perhaps not an advantage but a proclivity for the way that memory techniques are best approached.
Please pet me know if you have further questions and I’ll get back to you a.s.a.p.
Do u have training/ courses?, share the link if so
Thanks
Thanks kindly for your interest in my training.
Yes, there is a full suite of courses, but I recommend people take my free course first (link in the description).
Please let me know if you have any questions about signing up and I'll get back to you a.s.a.p.
I want ro purchase The Victorious Mind .Is the content in the book similar to that of the MMMM Masterclass
Thanks for your interest in TVM.
There’s definitely a bit of overlap. The reasons to read t include learning more about memory, discovering ways to increase focus through meditation and discovering a new way to think about consciousness.
Could there be fractal memory palaces?
Could a mandala be a memory palace?
Some people have told me that some mandalas do indeed expand into something much like mansions that the users walk around.
As for the fractals, the key would be to have Recall Rehearsal always in view for maximum results. Otherwise, it wouldn't really matter if it can be done.
Interesting 😊
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Sir i want to learn memory palace technique from you.
Plzz help me.
I confuse alot in deciding
How can I help?
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I tried this and had a hard time with 3D objects. The 2D pictures worked better.
How long did you try? You can probably build up to mentally rotating 3D objects.
A relative short video, but so many gold nuggets in there! Simple squares with 4 or 8 data points work best for me, hands down. No other geometrical shape i played around with served as well as the square. Second best is the "clock" (circle). But the pillar and the triangle you mention in the video also look very helpful, so I will use them in my next memory palace for sure. Thanks again, Anthony!
Glad you found some useful ideas here.
I have used clock-like structures before and discussed that here:
ua-cam.com/video/3I7h98IKaho/v-deo.html
It's basically another way of looking at the same thing.
My goal for 2024 is reading all 22 of your books
Thanks so much for your interest.
Please let me know if there are any topics you’d like to see covered in future bools. 🙏
The pleasure is all mine
13:15 Spaced Re.. ua-cam.com/video/2CthE_Napjg/v-deo.html
Interesting, but doesn't work...
Define "work," and please include what specifically you've done to confirm the definition of "work" and for how long.
Otherwise, I humbly suggest that you have not fully absorbed the point of the video.