Should We Get Rid of Tipping in Bars and Restaurants?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- From New York to Chicago to Seattle to Los Angeles, bars and restaurants across the country are experimenting with getting rid of tipping in response to closing the pay gap between the kitchen and service staffs, or as a way to deal with the rising minimum wage. We gathered some of America’s best bartenders to ask them what they thought would happen if we got rid of tipping in America. Many believe the practice is too engrained in American restaurant culture for us to successfully abandon it. They argued the customers expect to tip and service staff need it as an incentive to thrive in the business. A few bartenders took the contrarian position, maintaining they believe getting rid of tipping could lead to a better hospitality culture, while also making wages more consistent and fair for everyone at a restaurant or bar.
Bartenders, in order of appearance:
Karen Grill, Aaron Polsky, Yael Vengroff, Alex Negranza, Eric Bennett, Anna Giordano, Erick Castro, Sean Kenyon, Giuseppe Gonzalez, Ryan Wainwright, Dan Sabo, Pam Wiznitzer, Charles Joly, Michael Neff, Chris Hannah, Eric Bugosh, Lisa Palmer, Julia Momose, Spencer Elliott, Houston Eaves, Alex Day and Sam Parrie
Producer, Director & Writer: Jeremy Repanich
Directors of Photography: Jenna Morse and Lee Fritz
Coordinating Producer: Alyson Sheppard
Editor: Backlot Digital
Executive Producer: Brian Berkowitz
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What some idiots dont understand is, that getting rid of tipping is in the sense of getting rid off mandotary tipping. We still tip in Europe, if we want the servers to prioritize us or if they give us good service. But even if you are not pleased, they still make decent enough money.
Well said, man.
Exactly. The only people not tipping here are american tourists
M K really depends on what country we're talking about. I work as a bartender in Prague, people here (especially tourists though) are horrible tippers, yet I get paid less than 3 euros an hour. The tips add a little bit to it, but the standard is 5 to 10 percent, nowhere near the American 20% of the bill
You dont have to tip
Decent amount of money? Well my friend that depends on a country you work in, so for me in Croatia my paycheck rounds up to 600 eur for a 8h+ shift with one day off per week so yeah i wouldn't call that decent,and i don't work in a shitty suburb bar but in a cocktails and craft beer in the center of the town.If the service was shitty dont tip if the service was decent leave something it doesnt need to be 20% just round the bill up.
Tipping should be an expression of gratitude and generosity.
Not because you're bringing up peoples wages to an acceptable living level
Or just get out of this MANDATORY tipping culture you guys have over there. Plenty of bartenders in Scandinavia still get decent tips, but you're never guilted into tipping. Ever.
Mandatory tipping is a culture because of the lower wages traditionally accompanied by a hospitality type position. Which in that situation I think is fine, they should be tipped. Guilt away. Though California raised wages, it is still common in other states for servers, bartenders, what have you to make $2-3/hr. "plus tips". The stipulation is that if they don't meet state minimum in tips, it'll be bumped up. I believe the average state min. equals the federal minimum, which is still $7.25. Anyway, getting out of the mandatory tipping culture might be feasible when the federal minimum wage is increased.
Sean Welch, you misunderstand me. My point being that underpaying hospitality jobs is the root issue. Mandatory tipping being the bandaid that gets put over that issue. Pay employees livable wages and abolish mandatory tipping is what I'm saying. The video seems to imply tips have to be all-or-nothing
I didn't misunderstand, you mentioned nothing about hospitality jobs' wages being the issue. Anyway, it was just supposed to be context for people unaware. Peace.
I hate mandatory tipping, why the hell should the customers be forced into paying the employees wage? They should be only paying for the product (i.e food or drinks.) Your company are the people who should be paying for your work.
thank god the only bartenders are in Scandinavia.. fucking fool
the american guy who thinks cocktails in Europe is "not awesome" probably the kinda guy who never set a foot outside US.
He said the cocktails may be great but the service may not
Tere's a different approach to personal boundaries, partly because of a language barrier (yes I mean British vs American English). "What's up? How are you doing?" is actually often cosidered to be a qiute personal question in Europe while it's just a phrase in the US. So Americans think Service in Europe is bad and people are unfriendly, while Eurpoeans find US bartenders and servers very intrusive and not respecting personal boundaries.
That guy said the SERVICE - MAY - not be great.
Also, that guy's won what is probably the most difficult world bartending competition and most likely consequently served cocktails in probably more countries than you could name off the top of your head :P But yeah
Exaxtly!
Yeah he said the service would be "slow as fuck" That has got absolutely nothing to do with tipping. Europeans have a much more relaxed attitude to service and going out for a drink and a meal. Why should there be a rush? When I go out I'm happy to take my time and spend all evening enjoy the food and drink in a relaxed setting. It is just typical arrogance that he makes that judgement when like you say he obviously has never been outside of the US and experienced European culture and society for himself, otherwise he would understand how asinine his comment was.
Some of Those theories are ridiculous. "We would've less talent?" Wtf. They want to keep their wages. That's all. Mandatory tipping as a culture (and that's what it is) is bullshit. The lady talking about the cooks got it right.
Australian bartenders are still amazing, I am one, our wages are brilliant thats why we don't need to tip, and its never been a thing in Aus!
^Gospel. Australian bartenders are amazing. No argument.
I was just a delivery driver for take away at some point and even then tipping wasn't necessary. I'd feel bad taking more money from the customer. Sometimes they'd say oh sorry I don't have a tip for you and I'm thinking bro my boss pays me well, just enjoy your food
Any other job you're expected to do your best, whether or not the customer is "holding you ransom".
and most other jobs you're not making $2 an hour
and most jobs pay you at least the national minimum wage dipshit
I like how they had both sides of the argument
do you tip your cashier in walmart? do you tip the guy who sells you a car? no so why mandatory tips for bartenders? let it be an option for the client
While it is technically not a tip, the Car Salesman does get an incentive for selling you your car, it is called a commission. This is basically the same thing as a tip because you aren't going to buy a car from someone who isn't doing their job properly, so the cost of this is worked into the cost of the vehicle. You pay more or less of this commission based on your negotiating price. The lower you get the salesman to go, the less he makes.
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What always come to my mind when a bartender waits to see if I tip em.
The car salesman makes commission off his sales. Basically if we were to automatically factor in your tip for you (basically gratuity) then your meals would automatically be more expensive. Gotta pick and choose your battles.
i just dont understand why people want to shut down one of those sneaky good jobs out there for the lower class people though.... you WANT to turn bartending into a walmart/mcdonalds job where you make $9 an hour?
@@verigone2677 yeah but the consumer doesn't pay his incentive, it's the employer, the guy with money.
"if you don't want to tip go to Europe." Thanks, I think I will.
We still tip. I do anyway.
Everybody does, if the sevice is good. But very few people want to tip if the service is crap (understandably).
Not sure where the other commenters are from but if you hand a Fiver (£5) to a barman/maid in England they will most likely going to turn around and say 'uhh...why are you giving me this?'
You can save yourself a $2000 vacation by giving me $2 for your drink
So you’d rather spend more money to keep from tipping someone.......that’s faulty logic my friend!!🤣🤣🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
I make double the tips of the Chef and then i turn around and complain about not enough tips
chefs dont get tips. unless its those tepenyaki places but still
thats what im sayin
Do chefs make higher than minimum wage?
chefs are usually on salary.
Where I've waitressed, we'd kick down to short order cooks and busboys. An actual chef makes over $30,000 annually...so, no. It wd be like me trying to tip the owner
I've been (and work) in UK cocktail bars, I've seen bartenders who give slow, generally unappealing service, they don't get tips, and I've seen bartenders busting their arses for hours on end with a pile of pound coins at their station. Having non-mandatory tipping doesn't mean you get lazy bartenders, it just really separates those who see it as a job and those that are genuinely passionate about it. But, at the end of the day, everyone makes enough to live, and that can't be a negative thing, just those who put more in get more out.
"Pay me more than what I already get and I'll do my job properly"
Noice. Being a linecook in the past who didn't get tipped out and watching a server or bartender leave with 250+ in just tips drove me insane because I did hell of a lot work. To not tip me out is to say that my work was not relevant to the diner's experience, which is nonsense. Overall, people should get paid proportionally to the work that they do, and if they do their job they get paid. Not if they do their job they get paid and tipped out a lot, that's just nonsense. Tipping as a whole, is stupid.
Then u should try and be a server or bartender and see how u gona deal with idiots..
I worked at a cafe/restaurant (in Mexico City, so not sure how that plays into it) and the tips were split between front and back of the house. Also, the tips were split overall. So actually, everyone left with the same amount of money, regardless of how many tips were given to them specifically. It was a team effort, so it was a team payment. But you know America is about the individual... at least in popular rhetoric.
Move to the front of the house !
Being a cook is a choice! Become a waiter or bartender and see if you can put up with what the guests throw at you! You're doing your job because you prefer it!
If we the cooks don't cook the food, they don't come to the restaurant.
Kitchen should get a cut
“There would be a lot of bad bartenders” there are a lot of bad bartenders.
“We are sales persons” alcohol sells itself.
There's a reason why people pick certain bars over others. The bartenderes are a part of that reason.
@Nikola Stankovic
Yea saying "bars" is such a generic fucking term. 100% on ur side. I work at a high end cocktail bar where we do this. N guess what. That drink u mention costs 10$ 20% tip is only 2$ 12$ total.
Employer especially small buisness pays bar back, host, 2 bartenders. 15 each an hour. That 10$ drink is now 16-18$......
Customers will pay the same if not more by increasing product cost. Tipping 20% is pretty resonable.
Even your shitty dive bar thats cheap ass rum (if u even wanna call it rum) that sells rum and coke. 3$ drink is gunna be 5 to 6 if u pay everyone 15. A standard rum and coke u would just tip 1 or 2$ so either a shit dive bar or bars like mine (the one you highlighted) tipping isnt that much. Lol
@Nikola Stankovic
Sir, u sound like you work in a real cocktail bar that serves quality, fresh drinks done quickly and with proper steps of service. Sadly out of 100 i read. I only can spot you with a reasonable reply.
People here keep bitching about some sucky ass bartender at applebees it seems like. Lmfao.
Than dont go to a shitty place with shitty service. As a bartender who works to actually make drinks that i love. I ONLY spend my money to resturants and bars that provide this and am willing to spend 20% tip.
Wanna know why I dont go to my dive bar located down my street? Cause of that one bartender that makes us look bad by smoking a cig, doesnt wash his hand n serves me a standard rum and coke. Guess what? I just dont go back and go to a place that warrants me a 20% tip.
A lot of the comments seems like so many people are like "why the fuck do u get a tip for being slow, and u pour me a beer and its the wrong one?!''
My response?? Then DONT GO TO SHITTY PLACES. Seems like some people on here would be ok going to shitty place with bad service or low grade products knowing they dont gotta tip.
How about pick places worth going/tipping. I work hard as a bartender. I just dont spend my $ and My 20% tip at places I know that have a consistant history of bad employees or products. Pretty easy
Also getting a classic daquiri with fresh squeezed lime juice, a good white rum and simple syrup at a awsome upscale bar. I pay fucking 7$ 20% is 1.40$
I spend 8.40$ for a proper daquiri, with a knowledgeable bartender, fast and a great host......fot 8-9$ WITH TIP isnt bad.
If u have to pay 15$ to a bareback, 2 bartenders, a host etc every hour. That daiquiri is gunna be 10$ a glass EASY. So customer gunna spend 10$ REGARDLESS.
Sure would be nice to get rid of the whole tipping culture. Its dumb.
have you ever worked a tip job
@@user-hw9wv4og2h Yes. Being beholden to the mood and generosity of others is bullshit. Your employer should be responsible for your pay, not societal guilt fostered on customers.
I had great bartenders in Europe. I thought the service was better.
thought the opposite
Obviously you're going to the wrong bars then
'the hospitality culture in those places is not awesome' yeah, its just the way we like it, when to go to a shop or bar in Great Britain you aren't bombarded with the fake smile and attention, you're there to look around, and buy something with friends and enjoy yourself. Also it means when people are nice to you, they're nice people, they arent motivated by getting a Fiver from you.
as a British barman and I can testify that the atmosphere, service, and overall drink culture here is far better than any bar in the us. perhaps that has something to do with us not demanding a tip every time we open a bottle of beer
My brother went to the US for university from the UK and went to a bar on day, bought his drink then the bartender came back up to him and yelled “hey man if you’re gonna do that shit here you can get the fuck out” he hadn’t tipped him because it’s not a massive thing here, you tip if you’re pleased with your service. The fact the bartender got that angry and felt the need to publicly and rudely call him out on it shows how much of an issue it is. He didn’t realise tipping is a major source of income for people in service industries
"A lot of bad bartenders"
I'm quite satisfied with my bartenders in Europe. They know their shit.
People frequent places with good bartenders so the managment knows when they have good staff by the success of their bar.
If I REALLY think I have an amazing my bartender then I tip them. Also if the bartender is my friend I'll tip them even if they're not that good, but you gotta look out for your friends.
Yea, get rid of it. As one guy said, they don't have mandatory tipping in Australia and Europe. Here my bartenders make between $22-35 an hour depending on day, time and seniority AND they still make tips because they're not bad at their job. In Japan it's rude to tip because it's taken as "feeling sorry for your server". All of these places actually have awesome hospitality cultures - most of America does not. I hate dining out in America because what you see as a price is not the price you end up paying - you have to add tax and then add tip, it is genuinely uncomfortably when you're a foreigner in the US. American bartenders, contrary to what they might think, are not any faster or better than European or Australian bartenders. And are nowhere near as knowledgeable as Japanese ones.
I've been in the bar industry for the last 33 years. Tipping is an expression of gratitude, thus the name gratuity. For as long as I have known I I've always catered to my customers whether they tip or not! Always made a good living. Just being kind is enough for pele to
People say you get what you put in, but studies show that people tend to tip the same no matter the service. Excepting extremely bad service, good tippers tip good, and bad tippers tip bad, even if you give them the best service of their life.
As a British person, I get excellent service in restaurants, cafe's, bars etc
Most people can't handle the heat, the mental stress or the stamina to be a Cook. As opposed to Servers, Cooks like what they do.
Cooks routinely work 10-14 hour shifts during the holidays. The Chef does 12 hours every day.
Name the last time a server told you how much they like waiting tables it at home for their friends and family
Cooks and Chefs have an honorable profession and a skill set that takes years to develop. A good line cook or grill man is gold to a restaurant owner. Servers are disposable. There are literally millions more where they came from.
I spent about 12 years in the industry, ending up as a manager for a regional casual dining chain owned by a national casual dining chain. Excluding management, very time I worked FOH, I could only take it so long and ended up back on the line, ending up as a trainer for a very large national chain.
So, IOW, you are spot on.
it is an old argument... I am not a fan on tipping in restaurants... well certain restaurants, the places that are charging $35-40 for mains can afford to pay their staff a living wage from the bus boy to the chef to the cleaner to the waiter/ress. My issue is and has always been what a person decides to eat requires the same amount of effort to bring to the table, whether you order a $16 salad or a $70 steak, same amount of steps , same goes with Wine, whether I buy a $40 bottle of already overpriced Napa swill or a $140 bottle of Australian red ...same amount of effort and yet you have an ingrained culture that says 20% for the waiter for doing there job.
Merica for you bubba.
i haven't seen alot of bartender that are quick here in LA in any popping spot...i def don't tip them...they're all dicks too
only time i tip is if it's not too crowded and they chat you up...not tipping someone who handed me a beer 5 mins after i asked for it...or asked me what i wanted 3 times...after i told them multiple times..
i always tip the busboy's/waitresses(who look like mothers) though....i feel for them...
don't really see a point in tipping someone whose doing their one sole purpose in a job....honestly...you don't tip your bank teller whenever you ask for a cash withdrawal...or someone working in Mcdonalds....same shit...
imo you should only tip if you were served in a manner that made you happy of the service to the point you think highly of the establishment...tipping automatically is not what should be done...
I bartend in Denmark, we have decent wages and protection and stability.
We've almost stopped using paper money, and everything is digital, which makes it a lot harder to tip.
Some people ask for cashback and tip that way, others make a point of bringing actual cash with them. We potentially have a tip free society, but I still pull home a decent amount of tips.
With all that said, I suspect it does change the interaction. I get happy when people tip me, but I'm not there to earn tips, and if someone doesn't tip me, that's simply the norm, rather than an insult.
Okay, so for me as a bartender of 12+ years, from the Netherlands, tipping has never been my motivation to stay in the business.
Though the tipping does help. I make minimum wage, and that's enough to live of but it's by far comfortable.
The tipping isn't great either, but as I said it helps. I can save some money thanks to tipping.
Getting rid of tipping would be the worst for your bar as you would most likely put service costs on the bill and that creates horrible staff.
People should be able to tip if they want to, and if they really want to they'll find a way.
The tipping in the Netherlands is around the 5 to 10%, whereas in the US it's 20%. Give your staff minimum wage and they don't need the tip as much, but they see it as an incentive to keep smiling on horrible days.
Plus educate the public that even though your waiter/bartender does make minimum wage, tipping them is what makes them do their job the way "you" want them to.
The way I see it, tipping should be mandatory for the customer just not for the staff.
Good input. I would prefer for the staff to be better paid and stop standard tipping but to ban tips from patrons is unacceptable. I prefer Europe where if you're an amazing bartender-better than what is expected for you to do your job-then I can tip you for being amazing, not just for doing your job. You served me a drink that took you 5 minutes, I saved someone's life, where's my tip?
That's one thing I like about living in Europe (specifically the UK), we have a basic minimum wage (£6.80/hour) which isn't far off of the average living wage (£7.20/hour, outside of London). It's also illegal to pay less than this figure, which means that anyone in a service industry is on reasonable money already - so any tips I give ensure that they can live to a relatively good standard!
It also means that tipping isn't obligatory in order for my server to be able to pay their rent, thus I am only really obliged to tip if I feel justified in doing so - this means that most places give a fairly decent level of service as a general rule of thumb, and it's only really in the high-end places that you get outstanding tips... leading to tipping being related to quality of service, which means you get what you pay for - as it should be in a 'free market economy'!
I work in management of a casino/restaurant/bar and I KNOW the wait staff and bar staff make far more than I do. They are willing to bust their ass for 3 to 5 hours straight with no breaks or chill time. I work 9 to 10 hour days, but they clearly work harder in the time they put in. If I could still do it like they do, I would.
the hospitality culture in Australia is bad because they don't have mandatory tipping??? 😂 I work in a bar and I'm Australian and I love my job. Don't need to sit there begging for peoples loose change after they've already paid money for there drink. It's a nice gesture but never something I expect
Not all drinkins are made equally. To me tipping is a way to show your appreciation for great service.
Tipping is for good service ,they need to earn it ,most of the time they do, but some times they don't deserve it, and if bartenders make money based on tipping thats their problem not mine
I’m line cook and when I hear a bartender or serve complain about their tips it’s annoying because they make more than me sometimes like holidays or big parties, etc. I work double the hours and still don’t make more money. Weather I did a good or bad job. There’s barely any reward for young up coming chefs besides the knowing they made someone happy with the food they made. The industry is screwed up severs/bartenders are dime a dozen usually but a good short cook that knows something isn’t. Back of the house is the main reasons customer come to a restaurant but we don’t get tip off our food?
Join FOH
I routinely average over $30 an hour tending bar. $22 an hour on slow nights, $54 an hour on crazy nights
I'm a bartender in Australia and we don't get tipped with money all that often. That said at my current bar where I've worked for about two years, the regulars are awesome. I've been to bbq's, got given birthday presents, and if any of them catch any fish on weekends they'll bring spare ones into me and other bartenders for us to have a nice meal. I would agree with that guy who said the hospitality culture might not be AS good as the States in the cities in Australia, but go to a pub or a "tavern" up and down the coasts away from the cities and it is a totally different ballpark with a very unique bar/pub/tavern culture.
And how much u get paid average an hour?
I've been a bartender as a 2nd job 30 years. I make more money doin that then my day job and that's why I do it, no tipping no bartending! I wouldn't care so much and service won't be as good!
In Australia, tipping is not mandatory, only if you like the service and even then only if you want to, also in Aus bartenders earn about 27 to 30 dollar's an hour, spit your coffee , then stand up for yourselves and demand a decent rate of pay
The worst part of tipping culture is the mandatory tipping. If my waiter/bartender can spot my problem/concern/need right when I want someone to fix it, that they can HELP me to enjoy the night/meal better, sure I'd be very happy to tip even 25% or even higher sometimes. But I also feel so mad when I HAVE TO tip even when the service is literally shit.
Where is it mandatory, where do you have to do it?
People will always tip if they get good service no matter whether or not it’s mandatory, I work as a bartender in the UK and people give me tips for doing a good job even though we don’t have a tipping culture.
The customer service industry extends outside of bars and restaurants where tipping doesn’t exist and you still get great service. Good customer service is not dependent on tipping or commission. One could argue that when I am secure in the wage that I’m making, rather than the disparity of a commission/tip based system, I am more willing to provide great service since I’m not worried about how I’m going to pay my bills.
The thing with this is that every single establishment is different ... Tips work differently wherever you go. Some places have a service charge, some places put all there tips into a jar and distribute it evenly, some places the tips are yours and if you want to share your tips you are more than welcome i.e with chefs and the person on dispense making the drinks. Other places have none of the above and don't allow you to accept any kind of tip, whilst other places you're only allowed to be bought drinks. That's from my experience in the hospitality industry with working in the U.K. As a whole tipping is a strange one in the U.K because of all this people don't know whether to leave a tip or not so a lot of people don't or they actually have to ask whether there is a service charge and how the tipping works.
I used to work as a bartender in the Czech Republic, where tipping is around 1-3$ per tab. I made around 10$ of tips a night and it didn't cause me working slower or worse. I was always nice at the guests even though I had to prepare the drinks, run the tables and run the whole bar by myself and entertain the patrons at the same time. It's just greed. If you are not willing to do your job for the money you have in your contract then don't do it.
I am a bartender. I don't expect a tip but if I get one from someone every drink vs the guy I am not getting a tip from I am helping the guy increasing my wage over the one that isn't. Anyone who says they wouldn't is crazy. I personally like tipping when I go out because I think it shows appreciation for great service, but if your not giving great service then why should anyone tip you? Honestly if my wage increases over min wage I would be good with that. But if I am only getting minimum wage I will get a less stressful job not dealing with people who can handle their drinks.
What I've experienced is that prices are not 15 or 20% lower in the US compared to Europe, were a service fee is included and you tip for exceptional service and not just for the act of handing you a beer. So drinking in the US seems a lot more expensive to me and I would love not to be forced to tip just for mediocre service.
I think an included service fee would increase the quality of service because you can't count on the doller per drink tip no matter what so bartenders have to put effort in to get extra money.
I bartend in NYC...let's not get rid of tipping because I love to see how much I can rack up each night ;) It always motivates me to be more than a bartender, when you're behind the bar it's also providing entertainment and making sure the guest are more than satisfied.
For 30 years behind a bar. I would not continue. First I am told to upsale. Ok so I will sale an average product instead upcharge because why should the house get a bigger check if that does not translate into a higher commission. First I have taken care of foreign clients. That have no problem tipping when they get that the service will increase. If you work in the BOH and you don't like your money then you have two options. 1st go to be a server or bartender. You WILL make more money because you can describe the menu far better. 2nd you can open your own place. Look you choose a salary or hourly. I did not.
If a bar or restaurant is looking at taking away tips because of wage issues between bartenders and kitchen staff, it is the responsibility of the owner to pay better wages or benefits to the non bartenders. Creative benefits could be a gift card for gas, bus fare, good attractive comfortable kitchen safe, shoes. How about for winter provide quality coats, hats, gloves etc? Now the owner is tipping the employees.
I worked as a waitress in Austria and recieved tipps because of my extra effort and attention to clients. Knowing that I would be paid decent amount of money anyway only helped me to be more honest showing some care.
in Greece we not necessarily tip but it's optional to tip what ever you feel like, and still at least half costumers tip and tips goes from 20% rarely, 50% normally and in some cases about double of your day payment.
There are two sides of the argument! First is the “movement” - giving reasonably more salary per hour; as well as giving other incentives like a profit split - this is positive and offered by responsible and smart restaurateurs. The other side is, that if everyone is doing it, that a lot of average restaurateurs will take advantage out of the no-tipping policy. Most bartender internationally earn far less than they supposed to earn. It is a real issue - usually bartending is not a careers choice - and there are very few people, who could live good on bartending (even when they mature). I became bar manager, specialty bars manager and beverage manager due to this fact (could not sustain my life with the charges of bartending alone).
So no - just a $15 per dollar salary won’t do it.
The issue is, that tips should be shared. At least 50% of the tips should be go into a “pot” and shared equally among all staff!
I used to be in sales, and lived off commissions. I had a small starting wage and had to make it up. More and more places gave a very small increase to base pay, but cut out commission. There's basically no reason to ever do those sales jobs anymore.
if i go to the usa ever, im not tipping if i dont want to. coming from a Europeaan bartender. If the staff is nice and kind and they did there job properly, sure i'll tip. but if there slow on a not so crowded night and the drinks are not that great or really expensive already i won't tip.
they dont have control on the price of the drink
In the US is custom to tip , no one likes someone who doesn’t tip. drink at home instead.
I believe that with rising minimal vages there should be a lower tip like the European 5-10% model. This keeps the motivational aspect in the service model while preventing drink prices from skyrocketing. I mean the drinks have to get more expensive with higher vages leading to even higher tips. 20% are just not appropriate anymore
as a former chef and current bartender. I can tell you if tipping ever did stop, you would lose most of your skilled bartenders and the level of service would dramatically decrease everywhere.....I'd be back in a kitchen in a week.
People don't get it... I've worked with many highly educated people in the industry and they are here for the money. Want more money? Give the best service. LOL people in this comment section think they're going to get American's to pour drinks for minimum wage.... GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE.
As a bartender, I would not be in hospitality if it wasn't for tipping. I wouldn't care to remember all my regulars drinks and go the extra mile to satisfy them, even when I'm having a rough night. If it wasn't for tipping, I wouldn't care nearly as much about what the customer thinks of me as an individual. I would never get personal, I would just "do my job If it wasn't for tipping there would be a lot more "I'm sorry I can't accommodate that" as well. Tips are awesome when you're at a busy bar. It gives you an idea of how well of a bartender you are. The more you ring in the more tips you get at the end of the night so you work even harder. It's like a commission in sales. If tipping wasn't a thing a lot more people would be waiting around to get drinks. Hence why European bartenders move in slow motion. It's a give and take. Yes, liberal states like California would benefit because minimum wage and the economy is already so screwed their tip outs probably suck at the end of a long night. I cant say the same. This is all comes down to preference, demogrpahic, and bullshit politics.
Tipping I admit gives more money to bartenders than we may deserve. Because of that, I selfishly will say I prefer getting tips because the incentive is there. Regardless of if I get a tip, I do my job well, but the thought of a bit of extra money to have for myself, whether for bills, fun, spending on friends, it is a good incentive. I genuinely believe that bartending in America due to tipping is a great motivator to go beyond just "doing your job" it opens up for income potential as well as motivation. I say this because frankly after having worked in service as long as I have, frankly all servers and bartenders (in the USA) make well above minimum wage if they function on tips. I don't think eliminating that will be a good idea, but as a bartender myself, I am biased. But I love my work and take pride in it regardless of the income, the income has just helped me with a lot in my life and I only hope it isn't taken away from me.
They tip in Denmark despite being relatively well paid by the hour (around 20 to 27 USD per. hour. However it is common that the tips will be divided evenly between the staff depending on the bar.
Even the runners etc. gets tipped (again depends on the bar)
get rid of it. tenders and waitresses signed up for the job.. why should I be put in an awkward position to tip a waitress whose job it is to bring me a beer, an extra few bucks for doing the job she signed on to do and being polite? please..
Show some appreciation and tip generously. Most servers are young people starting out, working while going to school, single moms, just good people... give 'em some love.
Here in New Zealand bartenders will probably take offense if you try to tip them but then again it sort of kills it as they are the ones who end up calling the shots..
I'm a bartender (27 y/o, with around 5 years exp.) in Holland. I make a shitty 10 euro's an hour, without tips. That's not even four beers worth over here.
The fact she said it will weave out the people only there for the money. LOL
I think a tip should be for above average service not to ensure a waiter can pay his rent. Ya some people give good tips but who’s getting a consistent living wage from tips at Denny’s?
I work in a wharehouse, every once in a while when I truck driver wants to hurry up and get put of here they give me a tip to unload/load then faster. I think that's the way it should be. sometimes I get a tip just because I unloaded/loaded them super fast. I think that's the way it should be everywhere.
employers use mandatory tipping as a way to pay employees less, getting rid of mandatory tipping wont take away your innovation to do your job, because if you offer a truely good service you'll still get a tip its just if you offer a mediocre or average service, you wont, thats how the rest of the world does it and theirs no problems.
Have you ever worked in a bar outside of America? I have done both. Not tipping is objectively better for both the bartender and the customer.
Tipping creates a antagonistic relationship between the bartender and customer from the moment they walk in. This makes for a bad experience for the customer and the bartender.
Getting rid of mandatory tipping does not make bartenders worse, it does not make service slower, it does not decrease the bartenders pay. My proof is every country other than North America. Go there, visit a bar, get a job yourself even, and see the difference first hand.
The comparison of other countries is a moot point. This is America, not the UK..not Japan. We have horrible fast-food service. They are making the same amount if they are busy or slow. If bars did the same, then there is no motivation to get your drink out faster if I'm there the same amount of time. Not to mention you limit the upward potential of hi performing workers who can do the work of 2 or 3 people and do it well. Some folks make major income by busting their behinds and increasing the venue by building a customer base. Many top tier bartenders have a personal following that have regulars follow them. The service comes with the tipping culture. If you don't want to tip...don't. Everyone thinks you are a cheapskate and you can just drink at home. Tipping is a mini commission for the transaction of product from the venue to the end user. If they suck or are rude or don't care. Don't tip. They won't make money and will move on. You are paying for the environment and the service..if they deliver..then tip them well and keep coming.. but never come..ask for free stuff..or extra stuff and don't tip and then return to do the same. And get mad when you get skipped over. These folks are trying to improve the venue not get you drunk for cheap at the expense of the product they need to sell ..or risk their jobs over a few bucks.
Tipping should be done on the quality of service. I'm not going to always pay a tip if the service is slow and bad. You are already paying for a drink, a tip is a bonus if its done at a fast rate and you get friendly service. This don't just apply to bars but to hotels and restaurants as well
This video surprised me. It seems servers don't like mandatory tipping any more than their customers. That's probably why there's been a surge in serve yourself, fast-casual type places.
call me when the order is ready i'll come get it myself
Drive thru
As a customer if you remove tipping I feel I don’t get the customer personal entitlement I can receive by paying extra
Talent? You're making a drink not doing brain surgery. Now open my beer.
U got the beer..open it ur self..u have 2 hands u r not an idiot..U want opend beer in a glass? Tip me and u will get the service u deserve..Its not my job to get u satisfide its to give u what u want..If u r pleased u need to show it trough tip..We dont work for salary, we work for tips..
I bet you drink Pepsi.
If you're only going to pay for the beer then I'll give you your beer, un-opened, after I help the people who are going to pay me. Let your bartender know that you're not going to tip them up front next time and see how your service is impacted.
Yeah...in Europe, you do all of that(the glass, the beer opening it is all in the job), someone tips or does not tip...a tip is usually just a change to round up the bill(if a beer is 1,99e the tip is 0,01e) The only thing that is not required form someone who works is the smile or being friendly, and in most cases we do not give a damn if someone is smiling and being friendly. If you refuse to open or give a glass, you will get fired. It is a different culture. But people here work for salary, you got pay in a day or in a week or every 4 weeks, it depends on the contract. It is a same amount no matter if there is a work or not.
What if waiters and bar tenders etc. Just got paid minimum wage (at least) instead of having to rely on tips. Like what other job do we give extra money to just for doing their job? Like a waiters job is to take your order and give you your food and maybe help you out with the menu. Why do you need like an extra 15% of the bill for that when part of the bill is to pay YOU
want to go with the argument with how the back of the house makes considerably less just because off tips why not divide it equaly? or create and algoritm calculating depending on how many dishes are made how much tip the back gets. we deserve some love.
here's a tip: move to the front of the house
"getting rid of tipping would make bartenders worse"
nah fam i've seen some top quality bartenders and that's in a small northern english town that literally no-one's ever heard of
This is such a tricky issue cause theres bars where if u raised it to 15$ an hour at the end of the year u gross the same probably in comparison where bartenders make 25$ an hour during "busy season" while making like 10-13$ an hour the other half of the year.
Or one will make 20$ an hour weekends while weekdays u average like 12$ an hour.
But than u to top tier bars in NYC where every shift u make 20$+ an hour so the 15$ min u would make less money. That happened in Seattle where workers were making less.
So this issue is a bar by bar basis.
For me theres 2 ways out.
1 the current system. Tip 20%
2. U just make a min wage to 15$, yes the food and liquor cost goes up to the customer but now the customer only tips 1-5$ maybe like a 5% tip or even 3% tip. So I make 15 an hour but still get 1-5$ from each customer to drive up my wages to make it worth while for good bartenders.
Idk. It just seems this conversation and opinions are so different due to the fact all bars make vastly different money
"I did the job im paid for, so give me more money please". I hate tipping.
If you hate tipping then don't go to bars stay at home and make your own goddamn drinks
@Darth Nihilus Well if you don't want to tip enjoy a $25 cocktail you moron.
@Darth Nihilus 1) Bartenders are not salaries 99% of the time, they're hourly. 2) If they are paid more as a base rate then that is a cost and when costs go up for the business those higher costs are passed onto the consumer. 3) Tips allow for a lower price at the base and then the addition of extra depending upon the experience. And no I'm not an american who speak before thinking I'm from elsewhere in the world where we do have to pay $25 for a cocktail.
$2.13 an hour is not pay. Your tip matters.
Don’t want to spend your hard earned money on tips ? Come to Australia. The service is great no matter where you go. We don’t tip, and we love it !
Tipping is just a way for people to bilk folks out of their hard earned money. Tipping was designed as a way to give a small thanks to people depending on quality of service and if they felt it was deserved enough. Now it doesn't matter if the service is good or bad (and lets be honest, it's mostly bad). If you don't tip, then people treat you like a pariah and you lose social credit in the court of greedy public opinion.
"Should we get rid of tipping" is a loaded question because the people you ask are always going to give loaded answers. It doesn't matter if you start paying them a liveable wage. It comes down to greed. They want to be able to forcibly cast social judgement and peer pressure on people in order to get more money. Get rid of tipping and suddenly they can't lord themselves over folks.
That's why I don't tip. No matter how ugly they stare at me, ugly is ugly.
"If you get rid of tips, then we lose motivation and stop doing our jobs."
And if you stop doing your job, you end up with NO job. So how about you just do your fucking job?
In the restaurant industry, paying servers a living wage should be a no brainer. But till the day I die, mix me a fantastic cocktail or recommend a delightful pour of wine and I will be showing my appreciation in cold hard cash. You know who you are you wizards of booze!
The formula is pretty easy: if something tastes good in America, it will taste better in any European country, especially in Italy.
I’d be curious to know if the people who say tipping provides an incentive for the bartenders to do good work would also be opposed to universal basic income. I don’t mean to get too political, I just think it would be interesting to hear their opinions
Furthermore it is also not the customer or the employers job to make sure all your bills are payed skills are all that matters in determining a persons job worth.
Wages based on tipping is like working your 40 hour job, going to pick up your paycheck, and seeing that you made 100 dollars less than last week, even though you put in the same amount of work, because salary is decided by a random number generator.
Everyone likes to think that people tip according to their server's performance, but in reality most people are cheap bastards who tip according to how attractive their server is. And some people just don't believe in tipping. Relying on human decency is a system designed to fail.
Subsidizing bar and restaurant owners with tipping, because they're too cheap to pay a living wage to their employees is stupid. If I go to Target I'm not giving the cashier money for ringing up my items. It's insane. Service in Europe is different, but good. Certain places are better than others. Pubs in London were all fabulous. No tipping.
just so nobody is confused in "America" we usually only tip in sit down restaurants, bars/clubs/pubs, and mom and pop restaurant's that exceed the individuals expected service if I feel like the person I'm being served by is doing their best to serve me regardless of if it's busy or slow I may add a tip (a couple dollars I can spare so this person can have a happy feeling because I appriciate them) I feel good knowing that being a good person is rewarded but let's all jump on this hipster ass trend of shaming tipping like it's a rich person s form of flexing they're bank account
Coming from a culture that does'nt tip, has no bearing on the level of talent or service skills that are fostered in any one bar. There are good and bad bartenders everywhere. Tipping just shows that your service, skill and rapport with a guest has been fiscally acknowledged. I've worked with and been served by excellent bartenders all over the world. America may be the origin of the classic cocktail, yet this does'nt mean they're an authority on bar culture. So reductive to slam Europe, England & Australia. We get it, you think you know. But ya don't.
I like how they badmouth overseas establishments when bartending service is garbage in 80% of the bars that I've been to. They're slow, can never provide a recommendation, and are usually rude. The service is night and day between a sit down place and a bar.
take care of your bartender and they'll take care of you. period.
Why can't employers pay Bartenders $40 an hour? They make ridiculous amount of money on alcohol alone-without food
I totally agree tips is the reason they have a positive attitude
I always tip good if I get good service like not waiting for 10 minutes to get my first drink or getting my drink refilled quickly then I tip good . If you keep me waiting while you sit and read the newspaper or chat with your friends then you get a lousy tip or none at all
People seem to think that getting rid of tipping will make all servers and bartenders really lazy and bad at their jobs, but you know what happens if that's the case? They get fired. Just like any other job. Pilots and doctors don't get tipped. Do they seem lazy and incompetent? I was a server for six years. The only reason I wanted set wages was because I didn't like busting my ass for two hours for a table that skips out on the check or is just cheap. I don't want my rent money to depend on the generosity of douchebags. Not to mention on slow nights, I would work 4-5 hours, have two tables, and leave with 10 dollars in my pocket. I don't know how it isn't illegal.
We have to pay people a good wage. For their work, any work. Tips are supposed to be on top of that, not "Oh, we don't have to pay our staff as much, because the customers will save us on payroll." It's not so much about tipping, that's up to the customers, and customers are assholes. It's about Employers making sure the staff still wants to work there.
Tipping is not mandatory it’s a custom. Was started based on quality of service now it’s away for employers to not have to pay I say raise prices to be able to pay your workers. And I mean a pay based on there skill level
If my restaurant increased my wage to $15/hr and eliminated tipping, I would quit. In the summer, I take home $2-300 per night and that's after I give a cut to the kitchen and hostess. I wouldn't make nearly as much in a high wage/no tip system. I give awesome service to everyone who comes through my place, regardless of what tips I may or may not get, but as a professional in the industry, I know which system I prefer.
TheKitchenNinja yeah and that's the point you shouldn't make 300$ a night with a job that you don't even need to graduate high school for its rediculus to think that you feel entitled to that much money for shit work.
Exlaax dude, what I do takes experience, skill, a wealth of knowledge, and the personality to pull it all off in a welcoming and friendly manner. It requires the ability to multi task in a fast paced environment. High energy, chaotic, non stop action on my feet for several hours with no break, all done with a big smile. Trust me, most of us really earn those tips.
Exlaax the kitchen ninja really said it all, but I just wanted to add, some restaurants and bars actually do require you to have an education in culinary, beverage, or hospitality before you can even apply as a bartender/waiter
We still get tips its just way less and we get paid more 😄 we still love our jobs 😄
21 yr old bartender/waiter
-Slovenia EU
what are you people talking about? I've been to many international and non-tipping places and I get better service than 95% of the places in the US. Tipping does not get better service in a bar or restaurant and research has shown that to be a fact. prices on menu should include tax and your salary. service charges are also scams at restaurants trying to create a forced tip on customers because here in Seattle they do it at more than most people on average tip.