Prada | America’s Cup Technicalities
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Fusing athleticism, teamwork, and technology, the monohulls competing for the America’s Cup are the fastest in the world. It was August 2012 when the sailing world was turned upside down by a 72-foot catamaran flying in the Hauraki Gulf. Emirates Team New Zealand had brought the foils to the America’s Cup boats and forever changed the face of top-level racing boat competitions.
Since then, the increase in performance for America’s Cup boats has been greater than at any point in the 170-year history of the event. Six years later, in 2018, the publication of the AC75 Class rule marked the beginning of a new sailing era. Now, foils are commonplace, but the engineering and sailing techniques needed to get the AC75 to fly completely differ from anything seen before.
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Great video. Cleared a lot of grey areas for me. Thanks, Prada.
THE ITALIANS ARE COMING.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ITALIAAAAAAA💚🤍❤️💚🤍❤️
I watched that exactly before this
LoL i just watched too xD
This aged like fine wine
And now they’re gone lol. Great race. But the Kiwis were just too good.
Incredible engineering!
The kiwis are coming too.. welcome to NZ land of innovative and ingenious people
I saw this thing in a video, and just had to know how it worked.
The old farts of sailing are still complaining about the high tech of this AM Cup, they want to go back to boats doing 4 to 7 knots speed, how boring. Lets embrace the new tech and time and hopefully the young ones take up the sport.
It's the same as with every sport that involves technology. Racing, cycling, you name it. People don't like what they don't understand.
Frankly this looks more fascinating than F1.
I'm a physicist, and i love that learning the rules of the universe and combining it with finely tuned engineering, regularly results in completely absurd outcomes. Like boats doing ridiculous speeds on wind power alone.
There is so much future in sailing. With that said I would watch races of the real old boats ( with modern TV tech however) - fascinating strategies and all . . . .
I heard more "fly" than "sail"....
To quote Leo from Tally Ho:
"Hey, Pete - what are you doing?!"
That joke at least has some legs.
"as the boat swamp techs...." 2:54 LOL The translator is having trouble with that KeeWee excent.
"can experiment with to find a raise-winning edge" 😊 so true on all levels
And to think in 2019 was voted sexiest accent in the world. Now as a "KeeWee", even I find that hard to believe
The voice belongs to Steve McCivor of sky sports NZ everything.
Double main creating a "tacking wing" was invented in Catamarans in the late 1970's and sailboards in the late 1980's....were too heavy for both back then.
Are you talking “camber induced rigs” for windsurfers in the late 80’s early 90’s?
If so I remember they might have been heavy for the smaller boards, but on long race boards they were rock solid fast and stable. I know what I found more effective!
The upper foil surface longer than the lower in the elongated droplet shape assists the laminar flow, but is not the main reason an aeroplane or the AC75 flies. It is the angle of attack of the foil towards the direction of flight that creates lift. Think of a simple kite with nothing more than a single plane keeping it in the air, just like the first stick, wires, and cloth skin aeroplanes could, or a paper folded aeroplane can fly.
Amazing machines those AC75s have become! I just find it a pity that it became accessible for even less teams. I hope to see more teams than just four competing in the next America's Cups to come
Not the main reason really? Why don't you go work at skunkworks as a prophet?
@@NGC1433 Yes really. Not even a significant reason.
I don't understand much about sailing but I follow the America's Cup for many years (since first italian challenger Azzurra) and I don't understand some controversies I've read (about the boats); too many people are nostalgic, they say that these boats don't sail but fly, talk about the dear old boats, the "true" match-races, the Spinnakers and bla bla bla.
I'm not more a guy (unfortunately I add) but I really don't understand, time passes, everything evolves *(not my eng, sorry)* because this shouldn't happen for sailing and (firstly) to the America's Cup? It seems very silly (a nonsense).
Planes sail. Birds fly.
0:53 "the designers can experiment with to find a raise-winning edge." - I think you meant "race-winning edge"!
The subtitles also said techs rather than tacks
@@alasdairduncan3 and "swamp" instead of "swap"
Oh hear, hear! Is that the INEOS grammar police that joined forces with America Magic? 😂😂😂
The Italians are coming 😳😳🥵
And leaving empty handed.
@@kiwiperspective8656 ?
Where? There's no second, My Prada!!!
@@yasirabbas9549 They are leaving without the cup in there hands, thus "Empty handed". But credit where credit is due, they had us all worried.
Here is what I don't understand.
Last Cup, one team changed the grinders from arm crank to leg crank. Makes sense as the legs are the biggest most powerful limbs in the human body.
Forward to current Cup, I see everyone is back to arm grinders.
Why?
There was a change in regulations and it is no longer allowed. I guess since they won, they reveiled their edge, so there was no reason keeping it there any more, since all would copy in the future.
Interesting enough the Leg system is heavier and for the new foils weight is everything.
One of the most radical? Easily the most radical I'd say.
Яхта Luna Rosa Prado -это любовь ❤️ с первого взгляда. Грациозная и восхитительная как Италия, быстрая и взрывающая самые невероятные ожидания. Самая дерзкая мечта моей жизни -ступить на борт этой яхты. Мечтая об этом - слезы льются ручьем из моих глаз. Это настоящая любовь моей жизни ❤️💗💕💖😘. Спасибо создателям этого творения. Этот шедевр на ровне с творениями великих Итальянцев, таких как Микеланджело 😍
but why are people "pedaling" inside the boats?
To my knowledge. They are generating hydraulic pressure so that the trimmer can adjust the sails.
Might be wrong but that was their purpose in the past on other boats.
Ok, so the foils are lifted and lowered by battery powered hydraulic rams. Presumably the controls of mainsail, jib etc are also hydraulic, are they also a component of the battery powered system? If so, then are the grinders simply replacing the battery energy used by the hydraulic pumps by turning battery charging alternators or dynamos? How long can the batteries power the hydraulics without being charged before they run out of power? Must the boats finish with fully charged batteries? The grinders are obviously working hard almost all the time I'd love to know how the whole battery, hydraulic, charging system works. Does anyone know of of a web site or video that explains it?
I want to ride on one!
Me too.
Saluti a tutti il team, ma in speciale a gli spagnoli. Forza a tutti. Espero disfrutar de las semifinales y por supuesto en la final.
The technology of the canting foil arm is not new, the application of known technologies is new.
Sails more beautifully than the catamarans, but I’d still love to see a return to a traditional monohull.
Same here. These are so fun to watch with outrageous speeds. But the races are over so quick. I was on the water in 2000 in NZ with traditional monohulls. This lasted about 2 hours and you could follow from mark to mark. Not anymore.
this is impressive!
So interesting 😊
Amazing this tech and art fusion
Interesting summary of the technology !
I saw this at a bar and was so fascinated
Awesome creation on the planet.......🙏
Nice presentation
If the cantilever arms are run by batteries, why have those idiots playing patty cake. Replace them with batteries. Or at least replace them with a bike mechanism, so only one is needed, instead of two.
"Whilst the batteries control the main foils and rudders, everything above the waterline, including every sail control, is powered by the onboard grinders using pedestals supplied by official Winch Systems" - www.ineosteamuk.com/en/articles/271_The-grindhouse-rules-powering-the-AC75-with-Harken.html
I think they wanted to keep the illusion of it being an athletic sport and not just an engineering and driving battle. And to make it look like they are still pulling ropes to trim the sails (which they definitely don't)
Realistically each of these guys can output a maximum of 300W of power over a time of 3 hours (could hit 400W if they were to use their feet instead). So to replace them with a battery you'd need one with a capacity of about 300(watts)*8(grinders)*3(hours)*3(safety factor)=21,6kWh, which would weigh about 90kg with modern battery technology. Thereby saving close to a ton of weight (both the grinders and the grinding fixtures)
@@AntonGudenus A single pilot and this would be incredible speed. Next robot AC.
@@danielweston9188 "High-speed Sailing drones" sounds like something I'd definitely watch.
I wonder how much faster they would be than the current boats
Why are they talking about v1 hulls?
The first version each syndicate built? They were quite different to their second boats.
@@jeffs2485 but it's out of date....
Very good and thank you. I am curious though, and in debate with a number of friends, to know what the equivalent HP the sails are generating to propel these beauties to 50kts? Any thoughts, scientific or otherwise?
As physician and light airplane pilot I understand. Nice ideas, perfect !
But what is the "altitude" control system ? ..... how does it work ? .....
At a guess you would have multiple sonars to detect the heights and gyroscopes combined with accelerometers fused with software like an extended Kalamn filter. This would control the flaps to maintain lift, pitch, roll and more.
Amazing boat !
Hey! Could I have the name of the soundtrack at 3:45? Thank you
Amazing.
They have the foil explanation wrong. The foils lift due to the downward force of the water flowing over them and downwards after the trailing edge. There is NO pressure difference because water is incompressible. As a foil boat designer myself, the wing acts more like an aircraft in supersonic mode, but without the pressure cone. The foil will reach height equilibrium below the surface of the water once it gets close to the surface at around 1/3 chord where volume of water flowing over the foil that creates the downforce at the trailing tip at speed equals the weight of the boat and wind forces acting upon it. The foils that can maintain laminar flow over the foil and the T section and minimize tip vortices with the smallest drag will win the Americas cup, along with the hull and sail design to trap air over the entirety of the boat from keel to top of the mast. Boats that have the lowest foiling speed will win. The foil singing is created if the trailing edge is not sharp and also by strut singing, where the strut achieves resonant frequency. The rudder and forward foils will sing at different frequencies. If they have designed the wing like an aircraft wing, they will lose! The foil cross section for water is very different to that of an airfoil. Because an airfoil in water will cause a LOT of turbulence and will not work properly. The best foil design will be flat and not have a complex shape, as complex shapes will increase the chance of turbulence. Extended pointed skinny bulbus T sections forward of the leading edge will allow for laminar flow over the leading edge which is crucial between strut and foil. At best the strut should start behind the leading edge of the foil by at least 1/4 chord. The New Zealand boat has the best foil design. The Italians come a close second with the Americans and the Brits have a lot of work to do on the design of the boat and the foil, because they cannot get on foil at low speeds. They need increase chord to increase lift, change the foil profile and curvature - test in flow tank and measure lift vs speed - watching attack angle. Neutral foil angle setting is critical and is sensitive to 0.2 of a degree for the forward foil. I would make the aft rudder foil with changeable angle of attack as the aft foil will affect the forward foil and has more room for attack angle variance. Varying the forward foil curvature will affect resistance and lift and is VERY VERY sensitive at higher speeds.
No pressure because water is incompressible? Run telling that to divers, they all are suffering the bends in vein. As well as all the submarine hulls should be replaced with camping tents wrapped with polyethylene film, because there is no pressure!
Water does not change in VOLUME with pressure changes. But apparently that's too complex of a concept for you.
I am really fearful of whatever mumbo jumbo you wrote for the rest of your tirade.
@@NGC1433 "Water does not change in VOLUME with pressure changes" wow. you learned that in the walmart university?
Perfect!
When you have the budget to build a boat like that but then can't manage to find someone to fix your auto-generated subtitles.
After watching this.... not a single mention of eight guys `pumping iron`, as a
total land-lubber no clue was forth coming as to the technicalities the crew performed..!!!!
I just watched this. And I'm wondering the same, have you found the answer yet?
Esse e um veículo aerio mais inteligente que eu já vi.com mais segurança e resistência.
Prada toujur prada❤
America's Cup, ones they used to float, now they fly at the height of 2 meters above the water!
Incroyable........
Amazing 👏
That is bonkers!
Realmente una genialidad de ingeniería
The hull on some boats look suspiciously like a whale!
Especially when (like at the unveiling) without mast, and with the foil arms hanging down. They all reminded me of humpback whales.
Very suspicious. American magic clearly have a whale wrapped in Carbon fibre as their hull. Explains the lowing noises that the boat makes when they adjust the foil position...
These machines are marvels of technology. But, I kinda miss the days when everything was muscle powered.
I wonder how a combat vessel of the feudal times would look like using this state of the art knowhow, but using the tech available back then
Wood and steel would be difficult to mimic composites and aluminum alloys and plastics…
So much awesome technology and they still use people to turn handles on generators, instead of replacing the grinders with a much lighter and higher power output li-ion battery.
That's just ridiculous. Either have them totally control/power the boat by hand or not at all.
Well humans can do the task of the grinders, no human is putting the 7 tons of force required into those foils
@@grantober1726 Actually they very well could. There is no human strong enough to directly trim such a huge sail too... Yet they use the grinders to power the winches that do so.
Hydraulics and leverage are an awesome invention
I think the main reason the designers went with airfoil was to speed up the races since the races of old took so long and were boring as fuck to the average viewer
Yea but we all used to watch the old boring races and now fuck all watch it. Remember the red socks!!!
Speed = broader spectator interest. Gonna be something when two of these collide at 50kts.
Amazing 🏆
But seriously, why not use that motor in the water? Isn't the whole point of sailing racing missed when you use an electric motor to harness wind power instead of sails and manpower? I know there are still sails and men, but that whole rig is designed to capitalize on what they're able to achieve thanks to the electric motors which are able to lift the wings.
How does it handle a wave though?
Luna Rossa 🇮🇹
Looks like the Chameleon's pawn. From Brasília, Brasil.
2:53 as the boat swamps techs, Prada, I'm sure that should be as the boat swaps tacks
It's the eccent Bro'
Haven't you heard of Fush and Chups?
@@yeahrightmate that's wot I sed..
Shout out to the g4 boys
So what does modeling show the speed limit will be due to cavitation?
Utrolig teknik❤️❤️🏁🇩🇰
Absolutely pathetic how many errors there are in the subtitles for a video on an official channel.
Nothing about the rudder??
Good question!
And talking about Gen1 hulls...
@RPMX Info Dot Com thank you very much! That was really helpful.
Lift from an aerofoil is not due to Bernoulli effect. There is no reason why air or water should move faster over the top surface and or related molecules at the leading edge should still be related at the trailing edge. IF this were why a foil flies then symmetrical or flat foils could never fly - but they do. Angle of attack has a much greater effect on the foil flying. stick you hand out of the car window if you want to see this effect. (only if safe to do so)
Wrong. Angle of attack is a method for generating lift but it's also far less efficient than using the Bernoulli effect (as it creates a lot more turbulence and therefore drag).
In reality, angle of attack and foil shape are used together to generate a good balance of lift vs drag.
@@alasdairduncan3 Bernouili lends very little to the lift provided by a wing, Conada and AOA has much more effect.
a physicist's view ua-cam.com/video/aFO4PBolwFg/v-deo.html
How do Symmetrical wings fly? How does a none aerofoil wing fly?
@@rickharriss Nobody is saying that symmetrical wings can't be used for flight, nor that angle of attack can't generate lift. You claimed that there is no reason that flow speed differs above and below a foil, which is just plain wrong. You also made a few incredibly ill informed statements about use of foils in racing.
I guess, this foil wings will kill a lot of fish!
Ну вот и наконец американцы догнали старые советские технологии! Молодцы, даже людей в космос начали запускать.
Foiling is the best thing since the winged keel. I don't think it's safe having the foil up in the air . Crew will get chopped up if a colission happens .
Hypothetical. Crew could get eaten by a giant octopus 🐙
@@fburwell3629 can't sue an octopus. Can sue Prada, rich boat owners, organiser etc.
Next race, two guys in a dugout canoe with a twin sized bed sheet.
Bom vídeo
Next teep : Canard configuration ! .....
Get Burt RUTAN involved, and adopt the Canard configuration !
Same hydrodynamique lift for less drag.
No horizontal bearing surface at the rudder as it is now, but instead, a "small" bearing surface at the front (at the "nose", the bow ), (with elevons ....).
Therefore, move back the cant arms slightly to properly align the center of velic thrust, the hydrodynamic lift and the CG ! .....
It could be interesting to investigate ! .... (first on paper! ...).
Good luck.
so you want two vertical items instead of one?(the rudder and rear foil) Please go back to wherever you studied hydrodynamics ans study better.
A suggestion, if I may for future hull profile, an elongated,stretched out
W, similar to a catamaran but employing subtler curves.
The purpose would be for /to enhance the compression of air entering from the front, akin effectively to a however craft, adding to the lifting
components of the foil's, food for thought?
@@NGC1433 Thank you; Clever and pleasant remark.
No time yet for better studies ;->), but :
When two vertical item instead of one, the very very low increase in drag will be largely offset by the decrease in drag of each main foil (cant arms) ....
To be investigated and computerized ..... ? ... ? ... ?
@@mikemontagne2703 Very good idea.
Looking at some hull, maybe this is already the case?
So what are the blokes winding for?
The hydraulic really bothers me. Next you power the winches?
Electric engine is still an engine.
It's amazing. Looks like a flight. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Sorry still can't get into it
Great video, Musik to loud!
я думал, что они под парусами ходят, а оказывается, там внутри лодки чуваки турбины вручную крутят...
Я согласна крутить турбины, ради возможности ступить на это чудо и венец парусного спорта
@@user-vu9yp6lm6w при всей огромности вашего желания у вас не хватит мощности для обеспечения опускания и подъёма подводных крыльев, именно поэтому используют гидравлическую силовую установку с питанием от батарей (и это не батарейки от карманного фанарика ;) )
LUNAROSSA VINCERA' VINCERA''' VIN... CERAAA! È Troppo bella. La Bellezza Vince Sempre.
Water is liquid, which is virtually incompressible from an engineering point of view, so the explanation of the lift from the foils makes no sense. How they actually work is how any wing works, by efficiently deflecting the medium it is travelling in downwords, without losing energy to turbulence or stalling. This causes an opposite force upwards, called lift. If this were not the case, then it would be impossible for aeroplanes to fly upside down, which we know they can.
The one thing I learned here is this: How in the world will this work in the southern ocean? It won't! These contraptions are build to entertain a crowd, nothing more... We'll never see one of these sailing a 40.000 mile race around the globe, like the VOLVO OR. There is no space for anything inside.I want to see high-tech, that works on all oceans in all weather. The Vendee globe race shows the difference, foilers vs. non-foilers in heavy weather in big swells and waves and real wind! ;-)
Your tastes are well and truly catered for if distance ocean races are your thing and at the other end of the spectrum you can watch kids tacking their Herons around many lakes. Whatever, we can go and watch many choices in craft. I doubt I need to explain more, suffice to say these AC boats are the Formula 1's of design and performance. You are clearly a Le Mans 24 hour man.
Mankind has come a long way since the days of Sir Thomas Lipton's tea Clippers and these showpieces of science and technology are testament to that.
These are built for speed and racing on closed courses, not to make it around the globe.
Potete dirmi se i grinders producono energia elettrica che viene usata per le regolazioni (quindi tutti i winch sono elettrici) o c'è qualcosa di tradizionale con la semplice energia meccanica?
This is great and all that, but my main question is what the hell are they doing with the pedals/hand things - why are they doing it?
I believe the regulations state that the batteries that power the hydraulic system can only be charged by human effort, so they're effectively just on a human hamster wheel
@@DKezza I did suspect that - thanks for confirming
It's to power the hydraulic systems that operate the sails and movable surfaces other than the foil arms.
vorrei capire come funziona in poppa, ho notato che le vele sono molto verso il centro barca...
lugar bonito
So if i understand correctly, these boats use also the "ground effect" like the Ekranoplan?
I don't the hull provides any lift?
These Yatchs throw a very Interesting Idea at Flight and Planes.
Should we Look at Designing a Plane with Both Horizontal and Verticle Wings ???.
Also we Urgently need High Quality Fast Passenger Sail Ships, so Hopefully some of this Technology Transfers to that area.
Subtitles are a bit off
Muito lindo
Chameleon Foil boat.
Lift, wings, flaps, as aircraft pilote, I understand.
But how height hull to surface is controled (via flaps) ?
How does sailboat's pilote know what to do with its "stick" ? .... and how ????
4:04 to 4:28 in this video.
Data to pilote ? Control commande ? "stick" ? .....
Love the new tech, very cool. How about putting a price limit on each boat of say 5M to get some more competition?
You missed the term "dull" noun: what happens to sailing when boats capable of going the speed of cars have minor differences, minor differences at 45kn equal massive leads, lack of close sailing, no pre-start contest, leads measured in the hundreds sometimes thousands of meters... as a kiwi I will support any team who proposes a "one design" rule even if that means losing the AC. Such potential in these boats yet easily the most dull racing in last 30 years
Ehhh it gets worse tho when you do that stuff. Just look at f1.
i still not fully understand these sail racing boat how it work, i understand how to lift work, but how to use wind and sail to make forward movement and go freaking fast like a moto powered speed boat??if i rotate the boat 45 degree to look it, is easier to understand??so if take the all part off the boat , but only have that big main sail, when wind hit main sail, create uplift force like a airplane, in theory the boat will keep running circle right?? sorry for my poor english.
A simple explanation is like this: an airplane wing installed on a plane in horizontal position, and when the wing cuts through air, an artificial wind is created which lifts up the plane. Now if you install the same wing on a sailboat but 90degrees up in vertical position, what do you expect? There is a natural wind blowing into this sail, the same aerodynamic effect would now push the sail/boat forward instead of upward (remember the 90 degree change in angles of the same wing), as simple as that.
This is not a flippant comment but an honest question. Why are powered hydraulics allowed? Why not just put a screw on the back and do away with the sails? Since these are essentially power boats why can they compete in America’s Cup? I’m genuinely interested in the reasoning as to why this is allowed in a sailing race.
@Charlie Manning Why have grinders then? Clearly some parts are allowed to be electronically controlled and some not.
Because it's the only way to have these foiling boats racing in a traditional regatta today ? I'd bet they didn't want to miss that opportunity, and without this trick it would be too slow to move the foils up and down and impossible to tack "on the wing".
Of course you can argue about the rules, or if a human crew is really needed at this point. A few cups ago the AC boats were quite lagging in their general design, with heavy keels, etc but the most recent competitions are going to the opposite extreme !
Maybe the next AC could be a regatta of drone-boats, without crews, piloted only by AI skippers...
The powered hydraulics are just for raising and lowering the foils, not to propel the boats. All the propulsion comes from the wind i.e. sailing.
@@falcoperegrinus82 I still contend that it is against the spirit of the race.
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The Emirates NZ AC75 boat had the most beautiful lines. The boats now may be quicker but they're ugly as. Bathtubs with masts.
Beautuful sport..cojones!..
Transatlantic.
More an aircraft than a sailing boat
What is it then, an f1 car? If you look at the evolution of sailing boats in the past 100 years you'll se how we got here, it's not some abrupt change that occurred 10 years ago.
So now the captain is a pilot? I'm curious about the pivoting cant arm; how that mechanism keeps from leaking when in the water.
Pivot point is right on the side of the hull. Seals don't have to be too big or complicated.
@@spikespa5208 Leaking, is not an issue ....
But how work pitch and altitude control ..... Sensibility ? .... What for sensors ?
I'm a light aircraft pilot, and 'ld be interested to know .
Thanks.