I don't know about you guys but seeing those beautiful dinosaurs properly mounted and displayed like that makes me cry it's so beautiful how well placed together everything is, it's hard to not imagine what it was like in real life. So beautiful.
Atleast in US u have museums where u can restore and preserve fossils. Here in India we didn't even have national museum for fossils. Here paleontology is considered as a dying science with only 25 30 people left. Hard times here in India. Still no media reports and no government support. True story from a budding paleo scientist from India. God Bless World.!
@@ThePlasticPlanet in India first dinosaur in Asia was discovered back in 19th century and now here we are having discovered not more than 100 species of dinosaurs..hope our Government and community of paleontologists outside India support us. Also the international news media.
What a heartbreaking tragedy. I'm sorry for that, brother. At least you keep the flame and passion alive. Never lose interest and keep studying! We appreciate it!
Here is an idea! Why doesn’t museums just have their own teams digging for dinosaurs. Like they could also sell the dinosaurs that they aren’t interested in keeping for themselves?
an excellent idea, but the tax code and regulation in the US has created an incentive for a majority to go "public" or non profit which stymies that model... but if you had a dedicated team and were willing to fight the existing system it may work!
@@brendanturner4787 I agree in part ! Yes all fossils need paper work ! BUT not all fossils can be kept because some are so common that it would be a waste of space and money. Dr. Richardson tryed to pound that into my head years ago.
I've been in the field for many decades a let me dispel several assumptions. Very few museums have funding for research, professional paleontologist staffing, curation of existing specimens and resources that need drastic updating of housing facilities. Today most museums are moth balling research specimens and liquidating their libraries due to electronic archival storage. Museums are under constant strain to keep docents in house and finding Federal funding and private cash donations. Also it is strict policy not to sell off specimens, however in the past many major museums used to trade and sell their collection pieces but today state and Federal regulation restrict these policies. Also many museums have in the past collected specimens in foreign countries and now they are concerned that many of those countries may consider litigation to repatriate those object. If those that are concerned about fossil resources they should seriously consider volunteering and give funding to their nearest museum or state dinosaur facilities. Fossil are still found every day in North America and by far the majority of the greatest discoveries are from amateur collectors or field construction contractors. Also if an individual should discover vertebrate fossils on private land you must ask permission from the land owner as they are legally entitled to compensation of these resources. Also public land has Federal and state laws prohibiting their collection. If you should find a important fossil on public land you may record its location and notify the BLM or state museum in your area. If you choose to purchase fossils as many are legal to own like shark teeth and marine invertebrate specimens you should do so with only reputable dealers that follow legal collecting practices and certify authentication. The owners of private land may collect any fossil they find on their property and may sell or dispose of it. Otherwise only when our government passes legislation to confiscate all private land you still have a right to collect fossils. Even in some state like Florida you can get a state permit to collect vertebrate fossils in state rivers. Alway check the regulations before adventuring out in the field! If your worried about fossils surviving in your museum get involved and study and train in the science or on line and take classes. If you have a clear solution or advise to helping the science offer it to the professional field there are only so many of us.
Same, although I can see why people would dislike Alan and characters like him. Picks fights and is very obviously in it for the money. Alan is right he found it and it’s his but at the same time it would be better used at museum for public eyes and research.
It also encourages amateur diggers that are in it for the money to dig up fossils and not log any data surrounding them; effectively ruining the scientific significance. Best leave it to the professional paleontologists.
If the museums want fossils then they should have the highest bid or find it themselves. People shouldn’t be forced to “donate” fossils that they worked hard to find and dig up.
Let me get this straight. The guy offered to sell the baby T.Rex for 1 million to the AMNH, and they rejected the offer (too rich for their blood/not a good enough fossil). Then the guy puts it up for sale on eBay for 2.95 million, and they're outraged. If 1 million is too rich for their blood or if the fossil isn't worth that, then why would these museum scientists/curators expect that the fossil could be bought for almost two million more than what the seller originally asked them for? The only explanation that fits the museum curators' behavior and their response to his eBay listing is that the museum curators were trying to lowball him and lied to him about the true worth of the fossil. Museums typically have vast collections that go unseen by every visitor. Perhaps if they're so short on funds to purchase new fossils that they haven't yet examined, they should sell off some of their collections to raise the money.
Just wanted to add that it's ridiculously hard to obtain permission, as a visiting paleontologist, to examine the specimens that museums have in their collections. Each museum is different in that there are multiple and varied hoops to jump through. There are museums out there that will, point blank, refuse entry to Master's or Ph.D students - even when they request permission for noninvasive, nondestructive analyses. So when people babble on about the "loss to science," realize that tons of fossils are lying around in every museum's storage area that have gone untouched and unexamined for decades.
a lot of times it's not even that they don't think the fossil is worth that much, it's that museums and scientific organizations do not have sufficient funding to pay that much even for very significant finds. they also don't have sufficient funds to conduct the necessary research on the fossils once the fossils are in their possession. This is really disappointing to scientists and paleontology enjoyers alike because the main reason that discoveries and knowledge are inaccessible is due to the lack of funding in research and the overpricing of significant scientific specimens
I used to be on the side of paleontologist's until I realized just how absurd there system is. There honestly a bunch of nerds and egg heads who wanna act like the D.E.A.
There are a lot of common fossils you can own, and many more you can find yourself (arguably more meaningful and fun). Nothing wrong with owning rarer fossils too, as long as you make its scientific background available to the public. The problem nowadays is too many wealthy, mainly foreign, buyers who purchase very rare and important fossils, and then leave them locked away in private collections for decades.
I can understand in one way. As the scientists want you to do all the work finding rare fossils and other things. Then they want to take them from you free of charge. That’s why these people do what they do and sell privately. If they put there hands in there pockets maybe they would get all the good finds.
I think you are bang on right. It's a shame when spectacular fossils command a price too high for museums, national collections to afford. The more money the more people will look and the more will be found and saved before the weather or the sea destroys them. The professional paleontologists often don"t have the time or resources to find these rare fossils. Better they are saved and cherished by someone that destroyed by the elements. The professional bodies should approach these wealthy individuals, perhaps they will lone them or allow precision casts to be taken.
I can relate to this video. I'm an amateur fossil hunter. I found numerous vertebrate and invertebrate fossils including museum quality giant ammonites, shark tooth, mosasaur verts, etc.
@@nordette You have to be in right geologic formation to find fossils. Most of my fossils are found in banks of creeks , rivers, and lakes. Most of my fossils are Cretaceous fossils ( 66 to 140 millions years old). Anything younger then are bones that are not fossilized like mastodon, camels, bison, horses, etc. You can start from thefossilforum.com. You can find great information there.
I’m a amutur paleontologist, and I haven’t found anything yet, but if I found ammonite I would keep it or maybe sell it, but a baby t-rex I would send to a museum
Yes, i mean there are plenty of ammonites in the world, lots to go around but trex is very very rare and the more research specimens we have the better.
No we shouldn't just get real with it or just get used to it. Palaeontology, like archaeology, is part of our history. Palaeontology, like archaeology, is public interest. Palaeontology, like archaeology, is publicly owned, and therefore there should be laws to fully protect them along with every other science of the same nature.
Paleontology is not publicly owned if it's on private land. We need as many people as possible out there uncovering paleontological data. Although the land owner wishes to sell Skull X, we will make an effort to sell it to a museum or public repository.
@@harrisonduran6346 Wrong. Paleontology must be publicly owned even if it's on private land. If the law doesn't say so, the law must be changed. I come from Egypt where you don't need to dig too much to find some ancient pieces that belong to ancient Egyptian civilization and only 3000 years old, not 50 or 60 million years, but you aren't allowed to sell that because it's part of the history, memory and heritage of the Egyptian people.
@@CaireneRevival No it should not be publicly owned when its on private land. Here in 'Murica, the government does not get to seize private property at will, and it certainly should not take fossils off of private land. If anything, the government should subsidize museums so that they can compete at fossil auctions. We will try our best to sell Skull X to a museum.
@@harrisonduran6346 your land is private but definitely anything else within your land that's of public interest isn't. Even your land may become one day of public interest. When the land was sold nobody knew there's anything of public interest within this land. Preventing anything found on private land from being publicly owned when it's of public interest should be a crime. Besides, subsidising museums or any other private organisations is what has always been criticised as unAmerican.
Most public museum can not afford to buy fossils, maintain collections of them, or exhibit many of them. Most museums are part of university facilities, and the students they teach bear the brunt of museum funding and your tax dollars. Technically, if you work for a living, you're paying for dinosaur research through your taxes! If amateur fossil collecting is outlawed, it will end their discovery. Most major discovered dinosaur fossils are accidentally recovered, and by most of these are by avocational fossil collectors.
I'm a private collector of sorts, but even I can and will agree that there is a need to share scientifically important specimens with the world. Discoverers should be required to register their specimens and loan them to the scientific community if asked. No exceptions.
as a private collector myself i disagree, at the end of the day the owner should have the right to decide what to do with it no matter how scientifically important it is.
He is that old greedy guy in those monster movies who gets eaten by the creature while trying to get away with the creature egg/tooth/DNA/Fossil to sell it later
I do consider myself a hard core capitalist, but profiting off of fossils is just crazy. They need to be available to science, not sit in someone’s backyard
@Shane Newcomb That’s the inherent problem in modern times though. Increasingly, very wealthy foreign buyers from Asia have been purchasing rare and scientifically valuable fossils, and keeping them in private collections with no access to scientists or researchers. Personally I think all large, valuable fossils should be completely documented and catalogued before being put up for private sale.
Thats how the freaking Ark Experience owned by preacher Ken Ham and 'Answers in Genesis' bought there dinosaurs to teach anti science views that humans lived with dinosaurs and the world is only 6000 years old 🤦
The researchers are not excluded from buying these fossils. Collectors often donate fossils (and art) to museums. If a museum wants it bad enough then they can buy it just like anyone else.
@@Deinobi Which is where the issue lies. Paleontologists have access to larger areas to hunt on federal land than commercial hunters who are limited to private land, but lack any funding to do so. That's tax payer money going into this. Paleontologists will never be able to compete with commercial hunters in finding specimens on the field. Commercial hunters pour their own money into finding and excavating a large significant fossil. The commercial hunter obviously has a higher probability of finding something while the paleontologist doesn't simply because one put the time and money into it. And you probably know what comes after that.
There’s a small hill side behind my dads houseZ my brother found a spherical rock and cracked it open. It was perfect circle looking and a hollow center. Something that looks like a fetus takes up the hollowness. I’m sure there are dinosaur fossils in that hill side. Good thing it’s on the reservation so we automatically have ownership. When I go home next time I’ll be digging that hill side.
The idea that science 'owns' dinosaur fossils is ridiculous. If a proportion of these skeletons are being bought and sold, there should be nothing wrong with that
Of course not! We're not that cruel. They'll roam free and eat at restaurants while we all stay inside. Yes they will be quarantined. It's called an enclosure where they can't get out and eat humans.
@@G89211 the internals of the bones helps us to determine the age and possible injuries of the animal. And someone DOES care about the insides, it's the scientific and paleontological community
True casts are rarely ever for sale. What you see on the market are replicas or casts of casts. And often times, the specimen is restored making the price more expensive since maybe you just wanted a cast of what actually exists such as a small piece of jaw, but no, you have to buy the whole reconstructed skull. And you almost certainly will never find casts of indeterminate fossils and fragments. The cast market heavily favors the rich and the average collector cannot buy something that expensive or display something that big. Real fossils are just much cheaper because most of it is small fragmentary material. Most museums will reject your request for a cast if you wanted a specific specimen. Maybe if you were famous and had lots of money, they would make one for you.
amazing video both very respectful experts from public and private institutions and standpoints dinosaurs sales reminds me of treasure hunting and how scholars, scientists, historians and explorers would find sunken treasure. Now the power of big government and nations push them out of their own discoveries. They use them when their useful and when they can take over a lot of people in the industry get pushed out. Commercialization is fine and research is important and there should be a balance, but don't completely discourage private fossil discoveries and sales for it still generates interest in the industry.
I believe private collecting is ok, but, there should be a limit, such as scientifically significant fossils. This baby trex auction was a loss to science! No one will ever learn scientific information from it now. :(
If you do not pay them for their labor, you are not entitled to the object, they dug up welcome to the real world. You are not their owner what you are describing, is slavery that you or any human deserves the fruit of their labor, in spite of never paying for it.
Without the science behind it, these are just oddly shaped rocks. But if these institutions want the material, they either need to fund their own expeditions or pay just like everyone else
Most are taken from state land or some other type of land that someone doesn’t own and they destroy the site taking only a small portion of what’s there and then the data like the level at which it was found is lost so the future of the industry is hurt also
Don't send them to sixth place!! They'll be lost forever, they'll be telling us it's 20million yrs ole agian and we know it's just 10,000 yrs ole! The day when the earth flooded that's when it was done! Period!!
……what? It’s older than 20 million years it’s 65 million years old. The earth is far older than 10,000 years. That’s just modern human history the history of the earth is far older dating about 4 billion years old.
Of course they can. They can use other types of radiometric dating besides carbon dating. I think uranium is used instead. it's half life is much longer than that of carbon. Read before you write down something, in that way you'll know it's evidence based.
@@ezethapa1755 maybe u can sell it to people and make profit from fossils but at least scientists should have a chance to do some research on it by law maybe even make some molds of it, or even better sell the molds to these rich people because it’s insane how you can own a part of history I don’t see people buying mummies and other historic stuff, that’s why the government should actually own it or partly own it.
@@its_Sorna that will never exist in America cuase it would violate several poeples rights.the government can not demand something on private or tribal land and it should never be acceptable to allow the government to take something from private or tribal land. Sorry but sceince is not worth several human rights violations. Also mummies are apart of several human rights violations and it's hugely controversial for several museums to have them.
@@its_Sorna it really shouldn't be done. A lot of museums already have iusses with several poeple like the native american tribes who hate a lot of museums for displaying their dead and artifacts that were basicly stolen from them.now image the iusses destorying the land they have left forcefully for a fossil.they'd hate museums even more and would probably destory the fossils. Private land and native land should not be stolen from simply for science.the goverment should only be allowed to enforce rules on public land which they already do.
He found it, don't force him to give it to you. Both the man and the scientists are selfish well that's just human nature. Just don't try to force him to give it. Anyway we all gonna die one day no need to do such stupid fights go live breathe
I don't know about you guys but seeing those beautiful dinosaurs properly mounted and displayed like that makes me cry it's so beautiful how well placed together everything is, it's hard to not imagine what it was like in real life. So beautiful.
the closest thing to fossil hunting ive done was in 1st grade digging into the ground and thinking red clay was dried up blood from dinosaurs lol
You as well?
Willi4m xD
Ykgyyy
back in elementary, we thought a big tree root was a dinosaur bone
Back in middle school, me and my friends dug up a chicken bone and mistook it for a fossil
That old man is practically using WSJ as his platform to sell, I could definitely hear the sales pitch.
Well, of course he is
“I wear many hats.” - man in cowboy hat
K lo😇
Atleast in US u have museums where u can restore and preserve fossils. Here in India we didn't even have national museum for fossils. Here paleontology is considered as a dying science with only 25 30 people left. Hard times here in India. Still no media reports and no government support. True story from a budding paleo scientist from India. God Bless World.!
Sach mein aisa haal hai ??
This is so sad, I bet that theres so much that could be found on such a biodiverse continent. Good luck!
@@Bhatakti_Hawas Jai Jai Shree Ram..bhai bura haal hai.
@@ThePlasticPlanet in India first dinosaur in Asia was discovered back in 19th century and now here we are having discovered not more than 100 species of dinosaurs..hope our Government and community of paleontologists outside India support us. Also the international news media.
What a heartbreaking tragedy. I'm sorry for that, brother. At least you keep the flame and passion alive. Never lose interest and keep studying! We appreciate it!
I see a new tiger king. Dino King
You read my mind
First thing I thought of too LOL
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That's an movie
Here is an idea!
Why doesn’t museums just have their own teams digging for dinosaurs. Like they could also sell the dinosaurs that they aren’t interested in keeping for themselves?
an excellent idea, but the tax code and regulation in the US has created an incentive for a majority to go "public" or non profit which stymies that model... but if you had a dedicated team and were willing to fight the existing system it may work!
Every fossil should be kept for storage for future study.
@@brendanturner4787 I agree in part ! Yes all fossils need paper work ! BUT not all fossils can be kept because some are so common that it would be a waste of space and money. Dr. Richardson tryed to pound that into my head years ago.
I've been in the field for many decades a let me dispel several assumptions. Very few museums have funding for research, professional paleontologist staffing, curation of existing specimens and resources that need drastic updating of housing facilities. Today most museums are moth balling research specimens and liquidating their libraries due to electronic archival storage. Museums are under constant strain to keep docents in house and finding Federal funding and private cash donations. Also it is strict policy not to sell off specimens, however in the past many major museums used to trade and sell their collection pieces but today state and Federal regulation restrict these policies. Also many museums have in the past collected specimens in foreign countries and now they are concerned that many of those countries may consider litigation to repatriate those object. If those that are concerned about fossil resources they should seriously consider volunteering and give funding to their nearest museum or state dinosaur facilities. Fossil are still found every day in North America and by far the majority of the greatest discoveries are from amateur collectors or field construction contractors. Also if an individual should discover vertebrate fossils on private land you must ask permission from the land owner as they are legally entitled to compensation of these resources. Also public land has Federal and state laws prohibiting their collection. If you should find a important fossil on public land you may record its location and notify the BLM or state museum in your area. If you choose to purchase fossils as many are legal to own like shark teeth and marine invertebrate specimens you should do so with only reputable dealers that follow legal collecting practices and certify authentication. The owners of private land may collect any fossil they find on their property and may sell or dispose of it. Otherwise only when our government passes legislation to confiscate all private land you still have a right to collect fossils.
Even in some state like Florida you can get a state permit to collect vertebrate fossils in state rivers. Alway check the regulations before adventuring out in the field! If your worried about fossils surviving in your museum get involved and study and train in the science or on line and take classes. If you have a clear solution or advise to helping the science offer it to the professional field there are only so many of us.
@@brendanturner4787
Not every fossil, there are tons of brachiopods or trilobites or whatever that aren't scientifically valuable.
Dr. Norell seems to have a great attitude with whats going on. Great piece this WSJ.
Researchers are not excluded from these auctions. They are buy or maybe even rent the fossils just like everyone else.
Same, although I can see why people would dislike Alan and characters like him. Picks fights and is very obviously in it for the money. Alan is right he found it and it’s his but at the same time it would be better used at museum for public eyes and research.
@@allstarwoo4 I agree
The open market can bring far more dinosaurs to us all, and far more fakes, too. Good piece, WSJ.
It also encourages amateur diggers that are in it for the money to dig up fossils and not log any data surrounding them; effectively ruining the scientific significance.
Best leave it to the professional paleontologists.
thats collectionism in a nutshell
If the museums want fossils then they should have the highest bid or find it themselves. People shouldn’t be forced to “donate” fossils that they worked hard to find and dig up.
Exactly, the same I think with anything historical
Let me get this straight.
The guy offered to sell the baby T.Rex for 1 million to the AMNH, and they rejected the offer (too rich for their blood/not a good enough fossil).
Then the guy puts it up for sale on eBay for 2.95 million, and they're outraged.
If 1 million is too rich for their blood or if the fossil isn't worth that, then why would these museum scientists/curators expect that the fossil could be bought for almost two million more than what the seller originally asked them for? The only explanation that fits the museum curators' behavior and their response to his eBay listing is that the museum curators were trying to lowball him and lied to him about the true worth of the fossil.
Museums typically have vast collections that go unseen by every visitor. Perhaps if they're so short on funds to purchase new fossils that they haven't yet examined, they should sell off some of their collections to raise the money.
Just wanted to add that it's ridiculously hard to obtain permission, as a visiting paleontologist, to examine the specimens that museums have in their collections. Each museum is different in that there are multiple and varied hoops to jump through. There are museums out there that will, point blank, refuse entry to Master's or Ph.D students - even when they request permission for noninvasive, nondestructive analyses. So when people babble on about the "loss to science," realize that tons of fossils are lying around in every museum's storage area that have gone untouched and unexamined for decades.
a lot of times it's not even that they don't think the fossil is worth that much, it's that museums and scientific organizations do not have sufficient funding to pay that much even for very significant finds. they also don't have sufficient funds to conduct the necessary research on the fossils once the fossils are in their possession. This is really disappointing to scientists and paleontology enjoyers alike because the main reason that discoveries and knowledge are inaccessible is due to the lack of funding in research and the overpricing of significant scientific specimens
I used to be on the side of paleontologist's until I realized just how absurd there system is. There honestly a bunch of nerds and egg heads who wanna act like the D.E.A.
I would like to privately own a fossil to but to be honest, I’m more on the side of the paleontologists.
Same
There are a lot of common fossils you can own, and many more you can find yourself (arguably more meaningful and fun). Nothing wrong with owning rarer fossils too, as long as you make its scientific background available to the public. The problem nowadays is too many wealthy, mainly foreign, buyers who purchase very rare and important fossils, and then leave them locked away in private collections for decades.
knowing that the “Son of Samson” skull isn’t being studied right now is honestly so depressing
Ikr
And it can potentially end the debate about Nanotyrannus being a juvenile rex, or a separate species
@@lukeskywalkerjediknight2.013
It’s just a juvenile
I can understand in one way. As the scientists want you to do all the work finding rare fossils and other things. Then they want to take them from you free of charge. That’s why these people do what they do and sell privately. If they put there hands in there pockets maybe they would get all the good finds.
I think you are bang on right. It's a shame when spectacular fossils command a price too high for museums, national collections to afford. The more money the more people will look and the more will be found and saved before the weather or the sea destroys them. The professional paleontologists often don"t have the time or resources to find these rare fossils. Better they are saved and cherished by someone that destroyed by the elements. The professional bodies should approach these wealthy individuals, perhaps they will lone them or allow precision casts to be taken.
I'll never buy another fossil. It's a lot more rewarding to find them yourself.
but some of us doesn't live where dinosaurs are found :(
I can relate to this video. I'm an amateur fossil hunter. I found numerous vertebrate and invertebrate fossils including museum quality giant ammonites, shark tooth, mosasaur verts, etc.
Yeah dude, and when Blathers already has one, Timmy and Tommy always pay a decent price!
prove it. post a video.
Where and how do you find these things
@@nordette You have to be in right geologic formation to find fossils. Most of my fossils are found in banks of creeks , rivers, and lakes. Most of my fossils are Cretaceous fossils ( 66 to 140 millions years old). Anything younger then are bones that are not fossilized like mastodon, camels, bison, horses, etc. You can start from thefossilforum.com. You can find great information there.
@@seannotconnery8191 I did. Check my video.
I’m a amutur paleontologist, and I haven’t found anything yet, but if I found ammonite I would keep it or maybe sell it, but a baby t-rex I would send to a museum
Yes, i mean there are plenty of ammonites in the world, lots to go around but trex is very very rare and the more research specimens we have the better.
Anthony Hopkins is a fossil hunter now.
No we shouldn't just get real with it or just get used to it. Palaeontology, like archaeology, is part of our history. Palaeontology, like archaeology, is public interest. Palaeontology, like archaeology, is publicly owned, and therefore there should be laws to fully protect them along with every other science of the same nature.
Paleontology is not publicly owned if it's on private land. We need as many people as possible out there uncovering paleontological data. Although the land owner wishes to sell Skull X, we will make an effort to sell it to a museum or public repository.
@@harrisonduran6346 Wrong. Paleontology must be publicly owned even if it's on private land.
If the law doesn't say so, the law must be changed. I come from Egypt where you don't need to dig too much to find some ancient pieces that belong to ancient Egyptian civilization and only 3000 years old, not 50 or 60 million years, but you aren't allowed to sell that because it's part of the history, memory and heritage of the Egyptian people.
@@CaireneRevival No it should not be publicly owned when its on private land. Here in 'Murica, the government does not get to seize private property at will, and it certainly should not take fossils off of private land. If anything, the government should subsidize museums so that they can compete at fossil auctions. We will try our best to sell Skull X to a museum.
@@harrisonduran6346 your land is private but definitely anything else within your land that's of public interest isn't. Even your land may become one day of public interest. When the land was sold nobody knew there's anything of public interest within this land.
Preventing anything found on private land from being publicly owned when it's of public interest should be a crime. Besides, subsidising museums or any other private organisations is what has always been criticised as unAmerican.
@Shane Newcomb anything under my land that requires excavation to get it out is publicly owned with interest for the poor and rich
Most public museum can not afford to buy fossils, maintain collections of them, or exhibit many of them. Most museums are part of university facilities, and the students they teach bear the brunt of museum funding and your tax dollars. Technically, if you work for a living, you're paying for dinosaur research through your taxes! If amateur fossil collecting is outlawed, it will end their discovery. Most major discovered dinosaur fossils are accidentally recovered, and by most of these are by avocational fossil collectors.
I'm a private collector of sorts, but even I can and will agree that there is a need to share scientifically important specimens with the world. Discoverers should be required to register their specimens and loan them to the scientific community if asked. No exceptions.
as a private collector myself i disagree, at the end of the day the owner should have the right to decide what to do with it no matter how scientifically important it is.
He is that old greedy guy in those monster movies who gets eaten by the creature while trying to get away with the creature egg/tooth/DNA/Fossil to sell it later
The same thing has been going on in the humanities for decades. People buy rare books, artwork, etc.
Meanwhile there's still people in the world that claim they're all fakes planted by the devil...
The next Tiger King
Not their fault that the museums are broke, ask the gov to pay for it if it's really that important
Science better get some deeper pockets.
6:10 Oh Good, That Exhibit is still there. For the moment AKA Until the final summer month. 6:18 Oh yeah, I remember seeing that Dinosaur Mummy.
and how many fossils are ignored by construction and excavation activities around the world?
I do consider myself a hard core capitalist, but profiting off of fossils is just crazy. They need to be available to science, not sit in someone’s backyard
Agreed!
@Shane Newcomb That’s the inherent problem in modern times though. Increasingly, very wealthy foreign buyers from Asia have been purchasing rare and scientifically valuable fossils, and keeping them in private collections with no access to scientists or researchers. Personally I think all large, valuable fossils should be completely documented and catalogued before being put up for private sale.
Thats how the freaking Ark Experience owned by preacher Ken Ham and 'Answers in Genesis' bought there dinosaurs to teach anti science views that humans lived with dinosaurs and the world is only 6000 years old 🤦
Very cool! Nice work, Alex.
I love that the person collecting specimens that are millions of years old and selling them for profit calls himself an Indiana Jones type.
The researchers are not excluded from buying these fossils. Collectors often donate fossils (and art) to museums. If a museum wants it bad enough then they can buy it just like anyone else.
Museums don't get enough funding
@@Deinobi Which is where the issue lies. Paleontologists have access to larger areas to hunt on federal land than commercial hunters who are limited to private land, but lack any funding to do so. That's tax payer money going into this. Paleontologists will never be able to compete with commercial hunters in finding specimens on the field.
Commercial hunters pour their own money into finding and excavating a large significant fossil. The commercial hunter obviously has a higher probability of finding something while the paleontologist doesn't simply because one put the time and money into it. And you probably know what comes after that.
Dinosaurs = Jurassic Park = Grant = Malcolm. =3
I think anyone should be able to find and sell fossils. I mean come on. If you find them on your land then they should be yours.
There’s a small hill side behind my dads houseZ my brother found a spherical rock and cracked it open. It was perfect circle looking and a hollow center. Something that looks like a fetus takes up the hollowness.
I’m sure there are dinosaur fossils in that hill side. Good thing it’s on the reservation so we automatically have ownership.
When I go home next time I’ll be digging that hill side.
Doesn’t that mean the tribe owns it
the market just exploded after dinosaur bones were featured on the show Suits
My dream job is to fossil hunt full time.
The idea that science 'owns' dinosaur fossils is ridiculous. If a proportion of these skeletons are being bought and sold, there should be nothing wrong with that
*After we bring dinosaurs alive. Will Dinosaurs be quarantined?*
Of course not! We're not that cruel. They'll roam free and eat at restaurants while we all stay inside.
Yes they will be quarantined.
It's called an enclosure where they can't get out and eat humans.
Reviving them is impossible
Buy casts of the fossils it's no different from the actual fossils
It IS different, internally
@@Deinobi but is anyone really caring about what they're made out of, I think having a prehistoric animal bone cast or not is still cool
@@G89211 the internals of the bones helps us to determine the age and possible injuries of the animal. And someone DOES care about the insides, it's the scientific and paleontological community
True casts are rarely ever for sale. What you see on the market are replicas or casts of casts. And often times, the specimen is restored making the price more expensive since maybe you just wanted a cast of what actually exists such as a small piece of jaw, but no, you have to buy the whole reconstructed skull. And you almost certainly will never find casts of indeterminate fossils and fragments.
The cast market heavily favors the rich and the average collector cannot buy something that expensive or display something that big. Real fossils are just much cheaper because most of it is small fragmentary material.
Most museums will reject your request for a cast if you wanted a specific specimen. Maybe if you were famous and had lots of money, they would make one for you.
Charlie Chaplin has to come back and record new "Modern Times" movie. Everything is money, nothing is connected with ideals and society.
Should hav judicial law on it
Anyone else noticed his shirt is buttoned wrong
To quote Is Indiana Jones "It belongs in a museum"
he says he can wait a few months and even years. Can this old fool survive the current social distancing ?
amazing video both very respectful experts from public and private institutions and standpoints
dinosaurs sales reminds me of treasure hunting and how scholars, scientists, historians and explorers would find sunken treasure. Now the power of big government and nations push them out of their own discoveries. They use them when their useful and when they can take over a lot of people in the industry get pushed out. Commercialization is fine and research is important and there should be a balance, but don't completely discourage private fossil discoveries and sales for it still generates interest in the industry.
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There's a Steam game about Dinosaur Fossil Hunting coming soon, can't wait!
Look up "Dinosaur Fossil Hunter" on Steam
Woah, are you the real dev for occupy mars?
Did anybody else see that deer on 3:21?
That's a sasquatch!
@@wyattearp190 Bigfoot doesn’t exist
my family has a dino skull in our hallway, honestly i still don’t know why we spent 850,000 on it…
Is someone gonna tells that man he didn’t button his shirt correctly?
All you need is spectator mode
Nawh Ain fair how museums be having all the good stuff like I’m tryna find a allosaurus claw for sale for a exotic necklace project
The old man wearing black shirt. The buttons doesnt match 😅
he looked like a guy who didn't believe science of Covid-19
COVID 19 has no science it’s all a political power grab.
There's a Steam game about Dinosaur Fossil Hunting coming soon, can't wait!
(Look up Dinosaur Fossil Hunter on Steam)
Profits over values.
Amaziballs Saur!!
I think 'mudfossil University' could be new Tiger King, with his Morrocan Dragon
🤣🤩🤣
I believe private collecting is ok, but, there should be a limit, such as scientifically significant fossils. This baby trex auction was a loss to science! No one will ever learn scientific information from it now. :(
And let the Nerds have them all no thanks
Make more Apple stuff please?
Dino King
T rex is scariest dinosaur in the island for Jurassic world very strong smartest living thing ever and little creature being to life this video
What the heck did you say? I had a stroke reading that
Are they fake?
lol what? fake?
For profits fossil hunters disgusts me for their greed and hate of knowledge to humanity. It is another example of greed capitalism.
They are de scum of de earth
If you do not pay them for their labor, you are not entitled to the object, they dug up welcome to the real world. You are not their owner what you are describing, is slavery that you or any human deserves the fruit of their labor, in spite of never paying for it.
Let them scan it or something...
This is where Science fights savage capitalism... And loses... 7 × 1
Without the science behind it, these are just oddly shaped rocks. But if these institutions want the material, they either need to fund their own expeditions or pay just like everyone else
Was this before or after Adam and Eve??? Im confused
gr8 b8 m8
Paleontologists are free to bid on the fossils. If they can't afford it, maybe their science isn't all that valuable to begin wtih.
Indiana Jones or Dr. Grant would not be teaching at "Maple State University" just saying...
It's not "new to science" if you keep it for yourself. 😭
"Should anyone be able to dig up and sell dinosaur fossils?"
No.
if you are knowledgeable yes why not.
Dude's shirt is off by a button.
Most are taken from state land or some other type of land that someone doesn’t own and they destroy the site taking only a small portion of what’s there and then the data like the level at which it was found is lost so the future of the industry is hurt also
No, it’s not. Most commercial fossil specimens come from ranches and private lands not public lands.
I support that old man because I own fossils I have 3 tyrannosaurid teeth from an albertosaurus daspletosaurus and nanotyrannus.
No such thing as a nanotyrannus
As a Dino fan boy I hate that old man
Kind of deplorable, honestly.
Carneasada
So here's the joke
Person: drinks glitter tube and says carneasada then says wait no
Leave the woman those are mine I'm the fuckingest man
Don't send them to sixth place!! They'll be lost forever, they'll be telling us it's 20million yrs ole agian and we know it's just 10,000 yrs ole! The day when the earth flooded that's when it was done! Period!!
……what? It’s older than 20 million years it’s 65 million years old. The earth is far older than 10,000 years. That’s just modern human history the history of the earth is far older dating about 4 billion years old.
cmon old man just buy a house in beverly hills and live the life, you have the stuff to do it
Fake
Shameless old mann
Dinosaurs are fake hahah boomers
The old man is the worst
I hate when they say 65 million years old. They don't know that. Science can't prove that
Very much can
Yeah, just like how we can't prove that your a reptile person. There are many methods to see the age of a fossilized specimen. You should try looking.
Just how we can't prove if you have a brain or not
Of course they can. They can use other types of radiometric dating besides carbon dating. I think uranium is used instead. it's half life is much longer than that of carbon. Read before you write down something, in that way you'll know it's evidence based.
That old guy is really annoying ngl
It’s lies 😂
Eat the rich, consume their bank accounts
Finders keepers.
SHAME ON EGOPATHS
Time to create a law America so this can’t happen...
Why though, do we really need to learn more about fossils?
@@ezethapa1755 maybe u can sell it to people and make profit from fossils but at least scientists should have a chance to do some research on it by law maybe even make some molds of it, or even better sell the molds to these rich people because it’s insane how you can own a part of history I don’t see people buying mummies and other historic stuff, that’s why the government should actually own it or partly own it.
@@its_Sorna that will never exist in America cuase it would violate several poeples rights.the government can not demand something on private or tribal land and it should never be acceptable to allow the government to take something from private or tribal land.
Sorry but sceince is not worth several human rights violations.
Also mummies are apart of several human rights violations and it's hugely controversial for several museums to have them.
I understand ur opinion, but I do think it should be done...
@@its_Sorna it really shouldn't be done.
A lot of museums already have iusses with several poeple like the native american tribes who hate a lot of museums for displaying their dead and artifacts that were basicly stolen from them.now image the iusses destorying the land they have left forcefully for a fossil.they'd hate museums even more and would probably destory the fossils.
Private land and native land should not be stolen from simply for science.the goverment should only be allowed to enforce rules on public land which they already do.
Badlands? Halsey??
He found it, don't force him to give it to you. Both the man and the scientists are selfish well that's just human nature. Just don't try to force him to give it. Anyway we all gonna die one day no need to do such stupid fights go live breathe
Lol yea right dinosaurs