God I have been hunting for a looter shooter like Borderlands in the indie space, but all I can find are rouge lites. That said there are some good ones Roboquest and Gunfire Reborn. Also Nightmare Reaper is a very interesting game combining a looter shooter like Borderlands with randomly generated levels like a lot of rouge lites with the speed of boomer shooters, (honestly has become my favorite shooter.). The closest to Borderlands I have found is a little game called Black Ice made by two people which is Tron meets Borderlands. Honestly Black Ice is as close to basics for a looter shooters as it gets and I recommend it.
Bl4 must be Bl2 × 2 ! Raw and powerful and interestingly hard but capable of conquering while having a blast playing through! Say it and do it, gbox. Quality Pays, it doesn't cost. 💪🤙 Hellfire 🔥
Man i just wanna say I really appreciate you fighting for the community and for your content. The borderlands games and community meant a lot to me growing up, and was safe space during some honestly terrible stuff. I know many people feel the same. Your content is great and you are always 100% spot on. Genuinely, I hope they listen to you.
Been burnt out of bl2 for a while, replayed bl1 for the first time in like 9 years and had a bunch of fun. I find that not farming and just using weapons you find in vendors or chests is more fun, which I think is more prevelent in bl1 than bl2. I feel that each bl2 is the same: get harold, get roland, get fastball, farm bad maw, etc.
9:10 yeah I doubt it. They won’t ever listen to us I don’t think :/ randy pitchford and other devs straight up insulted a good amount of the fans saying we don’t know what we’re talking about basically. So they’re just gonna do what they want whether we like it or not
So why don't all of us just come together, learn to make games in our spare time, and form a studio to make a smaller game with the borderlands formula and release it as a new IP? I'd be so down.
Right now I think the community needs to focus on getting people on BL2. Any platform. Get the games steam numbers high and sales of the handsome collection to get a boost on consoles. All large companies care about are the numbers. Just keeping the player counts higher for BL2 than the newer games will send a message, even if gearbox wants to keep pretending the series is better than ever
Since Battleborn, I had the belief that GB can be a solid company, but their problem is management, specifically Randy who should've been behind bars a long time ago. Releasing your game to compete with Blizzard at one of their high points (Overwatch)? Getting first-timers to write Borderlands 3's story? Whatever tf Wonderlands is? New Tales? The friggin' movie? It's just ridiculous.
I know this is a month old, but if anyone like me have been hunting for games like Borderlands I recommend checking out an early access game called Black Ice. Made by a two dev team, lots of loot from machine guns to spell like abilities.
Alas the issue not only lies with Gearbox it's with Randy as well, he's specifically stated recently he's thinking about making a Live Service Borderlands game, which we do not want or need, did we even ask for one nope but he is considering. Gearbox needs to shift away from Randy and go back to doing what they did before he started sticking his nose into everything Borderlands related because he jumped on the train when it was popular. Also for the love of god Gearbox, give us a Endgame for Borderlands 4, BL3 has shit for a Endgame, if we wanna have a endgame we are forced to go back to BL2 which has a pretty decent end game.
People talk a lot about bl3 and wl but everyone seems to have forgotten about what gearbox did to tps. They had a great game on their hands with a fun story, cool characters, interesting new mechanics, and a killer dlc. Then when Gearbox Australia fell under what did they do? Pick up the game and finish its life cycle giving it real engame and replayability? No, they just left it dead in the water to drown
I may be one the oldest Borderlands player! Thank you for your opinions! If I was in charge I would focus on only borderlands only games and stop producing all the other crap games!
I wish borderlands creators could play other games for their UA-cam even if it's like 15~20% of the time, I believe it's important to take perspective from other good games but also having variety even if it means that takes up a small portion of time and its a backburner game but the back burner is what keeps you from being completely burnt out
My plea and want is a bigger focus on bandit themes. BL3 was 30% bandit, 70% scifi themes (maliwan troops, shmeden shmix, promethea maps, eridian*). And wonderlands is fantasy only. I miss the bigger focus of 1 and 2 in bandit camps, bandit leaders, psychos, the wasteland vibes. Thats the borderlands essence imo. BL3 ditched it hard. (Im still shocked we didnt get a bandit takedown. Just maliwans, and aliens) *i also hate the eridian redesigns but loved the old ones. Creepy flesh condtructs with eerie masks. Peak alien design.
Like others have said, Randy is the problem, he is a greedy narcissist ESG loving POS. Just look at the movie and the cast of the movie, he is the executive producer and I believe picked the entire cast. I just hope now that he is "shifting his focus toward the new film/TV division Gearbox Studios" sense he stepped down as CEO of Gearbox and became CEO of Gearbox Entertainment Company, he won't have as much input on BL4 as he did Tiny Tina's. But to be real that's just hope and I think the whole company now reflects him and who he is and BL4 will suck as much as ME4 Andromeda.
I think a component I need in a Borderlands 4, that I think some other titles have gotten pretty close, is BALANCE. I do NOT want a Borderlands 3 style of balance, where there is no challenge especially after hitting end game. I would love Borderlands 1 or hell I'd even take Borderlands 2 scaling of end game and balance over Borderlands 3, give us a challenge all the way through that is fun and please make legendaries worth looking at again (less drops)
Hey hellfire I know this is completely off topic but I have been having trouble with beating dukinos mom in digistruct peak op6 any tips or ways to cheese her. I have been trying for 6 months now
When it comes to deal breakers, I’d say a lot of what they did with bl3 shouldn’t be included in the new game. Legendaries shouldn’t drop like candy like they do in 3 for example. And they really shouldn’t be nerf happy like they were in 3. If anointments come back at all they need to be toned down to only have slight buffs instead of buffs so amazing that you MUST have that anointment on a gun for it to be good. They could look at destiny for inspiration for example. Like shooting a target makes the gun more stable or head shot kills massively increase reload speed, something like that (when I say destiny inspiration, I’m not talking about the damage perks btw. Frenzy maybe at most) but not something like consecutive hits. Cause that’s all anyone used for the most part
Fantastic games: Borderlands 2, 2012 Borderlands 1, 2009 Skyrim, 2011 GTAV, 2013 Minecraft, 2011 Name a game that has come out since 2016 that can compete with this list. It seems like every game nowadays overcommits, underdelivers, and is a buggy half finished mess on launch.
RDR2 (2018) Immortals of Aveum (2023) Two top tier games since 2016 off the top of my head. There are others, though they are becoming more rare to find.
End game content is so thin it's a real slog to grind to level cap. Really needed a few more campaign DLCs and some raids to function. Doppelganger is still the best BL character in my book so I still love it.
As hyped as I was for the release of wonderlands when the trailer dropped I tought dude this will be the best game ever. The game released I didn't even finished the main quest, I stopped around lvl 15 and never touched it again. They could have easily made the whole game into a dlc for bl3 more straight forward with 1 hour of gameplay like the bl2 Tina DLC. They had the chance to bring badass melee weapons in bl3 and stall it's death. But they finished covering the grave way before that. I can't think of a most unfun DLC than krieg's dlc in bl3. Some people love it, I just hate it, it's just mobbing simulator, go from point A to point B. Im keeping my expectations at rock bottom level for bl4.
It's sad how the borderlands community is dying and it's all gearbox's fault. Especially here in Brazil, there are very few content creators about this franchise. great video as always :)
Stay strong! Wote with your wallet! We have the power to force these companies to listen and that is MONEY! But to make it work we need to be consistent and don't give our money to them if they don't deserve it. It is that simple. Based on MAK's conversations with Gearbox CEOs and how arrogant they were, many hardcore Borderlands players replied several issues, bad gameplay mechanics to Gearbox and they never listened, not a single time. Based on Randy Pitchford being a real a$$hole who don't give a sh1t about the community only money, based on the Sweet Baby Inc and other woke issues around the franchise - I have 0.00 hopes that Borderlands 4 will be any good. I surely won't preorder it. I will see if it has any value then if it has I will buy it. I won't make these greedy companies any richer if they don't change. The movie? I will do what MAK told to do. I will buy a ticket for a different movie which I like and then I will change cinema rooms to watch Borderlands movie. I want to see it for cringe but I won't give money to these corpos who don't giv a f?ck for the community. And don't tell me that I won't do this. I am 40 and I have my ways to deal with scammers... Stay strong! Wote with your wallet!
I think they could fix a lot of problems with the game with just understanding the pacing of the story. Even if the story is bad, people would just play through it without issues. The main reason there are so many complaints about borderlands 3 is how long you have to wait between missions and the bad pacing. Thats just me though 🤷♂
You are not wrong. The dialogue is so long and the Eden 6 section is a slog and a half. I still love the end game and builds and all that, but it took me a really long time to finish max leveling all the characters because I didn’t want to keep replaying the story.
That's actually my biggest issue. I don't particularly like BL3s story. But there's parts that really aren't bad. I liked seeing Rhys again, I didn't mind the eden 6 side plot TBH. What I absolutely hated was having to "return to sanctuary" "talk to [tannis, lilith, ellie, etc etc]" and then I'm just stuck there sitting, waiting for permission to "travel to [planet]" so I can push a button on the ship and wait again, to then have to "go to the drop pod" which is all the way on the bottom and opposite end of the ship. It's very clearly just padding, time wasting whatever. They could've and should've just let you listen to alot of the dialog while you ran to the objectives like in bl2, now there were times where bl2 grabbed you and made you wait, but those were key moments in the plot, and they were usually brief, and typically weren't cutscenes (sans Roland's shield mishap when Jack gives him a back massage) Bl3 grabs you by both your wrists and clockwork oranges you into watching cutscenes and lengthy useless conversations that I simply don't care for. It makes leveling any new characters a chore and now I just quit to menu spam during dialog because that's actually quicker and less irritating than having to listen to the 3 most boring characters in the whole game yap about the new lore that isn't good and isn't interesting.
@@BigWheel. That’s exactly what I say all the time lol. One day I was trying to speed to level 72 with Fl4k and when you purposely try to speed level a character from 0 or 13 if you do the DLC skip, that’s when you truly realize how many arbitrary time gates there are in this game and it has to be over a hundred. And your point about return to sanctuary and speak to whoever for 2 minutes to drop right back down to where you just were, that gets unbelievably frustrating pretty early on, and your other point about the drop pod, same issue I had, I had Amara maxed and beat all the other content on mayhem 11, so I decided it would be cool to run all the Trials back to back. And that’s when you drop into a map to find a button, go back to sanctuary, run to the front to press a single button, run all the way to the back and drop down to the pod and then when you do that 6 times in a row, you’re just thinking “that whole process could’ve been 20 minutes shorter..” At a certain point the arbitrary time gates really start to get under my skin. But I do think the gunplay and movement and raid bosses and even the builds and variety of builds are better than the other games, it’s just painful to level characters and get past the bs before the end game. I have friends that like playing my characters when they are over at my place, but they won’t level their own characters all the way because they don’t want to play the story that many times, and it’s hard to disagree with that, even though I think the end game is actually the most fun part of BL3.
I think it's too late at this point. I would have to look for the video again, but there was a Dev talk a few years ago for the New Tales game. They were discussing the strengths of the Borderlands franchise and what it's known for, and they explicitly mentioned that "comedy" is at the forefront of the franchise and that's what they were looking to personify with that New Tales abomination. I can't explain how frustrated I was when I heard that. If these are going to be the same baboons that write and direct the fourth installment, I'd rather the series die right now. I guarantee that there will be a spiritual successor in the coming years that could do better work than gearbox ever can today.
They need to bring back rarities above legendary: seraphs, pearls, effervescent. Also they need to sort some weapons out like returning the Hellfire back to Maliwan and getting rid of that stupid charge up that they gave Maliwan weapons in BL3. Making class mods good again, i really didn't like the BL3 ones. Better character/story writing and development. The different planets were cool but they ruined Pandora and all the maps were too big. I think it'd be cool to see mini bosses and raid bosses return from previous games. Just a small thing but i want the lock on vehicles have in BL1 to return. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I want UVHM and OP levels back. If they don't bring them back, hopefully they at least make BL4 a bit challenging. They need to bring back the level caps for the different difficulties, i don't like that you can get to max level in normal mode in BL3. Make legendaries actually rare. Another small thing, but I'd rather have to go and talk to NPC's to turn missions in instead of them getting turned in automatically.
borderlands needs to cool it with the whacky guns. bl1 the majority of the guns looked like, well, actual guns. they looked like lethal killing tools. they looked somewhat believable. bl2 went a bit whackier, but was still relatively ok. bl3 went WAAAY too whacky. almost every gun in the game looks like nerf guns. if every gun is "super cool living creature that shoots lasers and explosions all over and it's so epic", then NONE of them are unique. if every other gun you pick up is Etech, then it takes away the excitement of finding Etech. i'm fine with crazy looking guns, but make the crazy guns the legendary or higher ones, not white rarity or better.
Let's hope your first video after 4 comes out is a "I was wrong, BL4 is great" kind of video. I doubt it will be. We both know this is empty hope. But I still kinda hope it happens. Because I'll be right there to comment "I was wrong too!" on that fucker.
There is a very slim chance for BL4 to be a great game, although most likely it will be as bad as BL3 or be more so on par to Wonderlands and New Tales. Gearbox is at the point to where they really cant afford Borderlands to fail and depending on BL4, it most likely will. At this point, if that happens, I will just keep playing BL1 and BL2 till other games come out to peak my interest.
Anybody looking for someone to play with? Just got back into the game after 12 years, I was 11 then. Now 23, about to finish my first TVH playthrough on zer0. I have a salvador that is about to finish normal mode too. Would like some homies to play with and get through UVHM with etc
I can honestly say there is more that i know i want the game not to have than to have. At this point I feel it is crucial for the devs to not baby the game or have it as a live service. Although great for profits in the short term with fortnite being the exception. Most game companys now see their profits and think that they can copy that style of having a battlepass, shop etc. they need to focus on a truly good game. Go back to the ps3 and xbox 360 era for a moment, the devs can release soft patches, dlcs etc but there was still a core game that needed to be made fully. Not these half finished games that release with the promise of an update that will make the game you bought the game that was advertised. One of the many things that I loved about BL1 was weapon proficiencies they should bring that back in one way or another. NO WEAPON ANOINTMENTS, nothing made me take the game out of my ps4 faster than when I was farming for an item and it was deemed useless because of an anointment. Like you said @Hellfire their main key here is simplicity. The item system in BL2 was great imo (parts system) when even if you got a DPUH (Double Penetrating Unkempt Harold) you got hyped but if you got it with your fav sight, grip it made the gun feel even more rare to you again imo. BL3's art style, story, gameplay in general felt unpolished, like it had an identity it used to have but was trying to stray away from it if that makes sense. Anyway i can yap away more but I doubt anyone will read this novel.
I’m always in for goodwill in opinions :) this was an excellent read that I couldn’t agree with enough to be honest. Weapon proficiency’s by a large margin are better then BAR and Gaurdian rank as well. They really do just need to take a look back at everything they did and take notes at what worked
DEAL BREAKER for me is no dedicated drops on launch, we did this shit for two games already just stop. also no invincible bosses to fight and higher rarity items besides legendary need to return and need to be worth the time to farm.
Honestly while I enjoyed BL3, BLpresequel, and Wonderlands I will admit that there is a steady decline of content quality and I really want to see the franchise come back to its BL2 days in terms of quality and the games that have come since BL2 are good and I've enjoyed them (except for new tales of the borderlands that game sucks) but I do have noticed the decline of content quality
Ngl, I went back to wonderlands the other week. I played it at launched and didn't enjoy it much so i stopped. Im finding it quite fun however as despite it being rather repitative and i have to put up with tina and andy samberg. The stats levelling is cool and it feels like i have way more freedom in my build. Im currently doing a melee/DoT build and i think its cool. I have always been a contrarian however as 3 has always been my favourite, the story is bad but i think the gameplay is so damn polished and gets less boring than 2 does imo
Gears is a lost cause. So is randy. Diablo 2 is STILL played a lot. Starcraft one is still played a lot because their communities made it happen. Hellfire your videos are fun and keep us watching. Gear them to the community. New ways to use items. How you would make seraph weapons better. What dlc would u add to presequel? Mods can implement ur ideas and eventually someone with brains from a company will figure it out and the love of bd2 and the community will b preserved thanks to you. This happened with diablo 2 and starcraft 1
I appreciate that ❤️ I would say the commander Lilith would’ve fit even better in the pre sequel then bl2. As it’s original concept was to be in that game, I’d love to see how it would play in that game
Borders 4 needs to retcon and heres how. A siren guardian/watcher/alien/seraph whatever, arrives on pandora a new enemy with the power of time manipulation we beat her and leech her powers, We go back in time and stop jack killing roland, instead we capture him and use him to release the warrior we then go to the home planet of the calypsos and take them out begote they get a chance to start. By doing this we save roland and maya, like the waycher said, we need all the vault hunters we can get, because the calypsos were a distraction apparently, and with that distraction gone, we can find the hidden home world of the ancient eridians, maybe they are the ones plaguing planets insted of whatever their doing.
I’m sad that borderlands is dying. It’s my favorite game franchise but I can’t touch bl3 and wonderlands I still playing bl2 and the first. I’d be excited for bl4 to be like the second and first game but I’m scared it’ll be a copy and paste of bl3 with no postgame like wonderlands and I don’t want to see my favorite game series to die like that
@@elishuster5943 if they didn’t shutdown 2K Australia it would’ve been much better and I think the story was a little rushed and it was harder to stay on level for that game but other than that it was good
"Borderlands 2.0" is what we need.
I have came to accept that Borderlands 2 will not happen again with borderlands 4. Yeah I went through the same five stages of grief.
God I have been hunting for a looter shooter like Borderlands in the indie space, but all I can find are rouge lites. That said there are some good ones Roboquest and Gunfire Reborn. Also Nightmare Reaper is a very interesting game combining a looter shooter like Borderlands with randomly generated levels like a lot of rouge lites with the speed of boomer shooters, (honestly has become my favorite shooter.). The closest to Borderlands I have found is a little game called Black Ice made by two people which is Tron meets Borderlands. Honestly Black Ice is as close to basics for a looter shooters as it gets and I recommend it.
Have they ever?
I rather they lose the ip and someone else who actually respects the original lore and fans take the reigns.
Bl4 must be Bl2 × 2 ! Raw and powerful and interestingly hard but capable of conquering while having a blast playing through! Say it and do it, gbox. Quality Pays, it doesn't cost. 💪🤙 Hellfire 🔥
Man i just wanna say I really appreciate you fighting for the community and for your content. The borderlands games and community meant a lot to me growing up, and was safe space during some honestly terrible stuff. I know many people feel the same. Your content is great and you are always 100% spot on. Genuinely, I hope they listen to you.
Fukin OP LEVELS. yes all 10. ( let my autistic ass repeat repeat repeat)
Honestly Battleborn was the most original thing since BL2. Just give me Deande again 😂
gearbox listening 👂 ???? Yeah I don’t know if their ears work
Been burnt out of bl2 for a while, replayed bl1 for the first time in like 9 years and had a bunch of fun. I find that not farming and just using weapons you find in vendors or chests is more fun, which I think is more prevelent in bl1 than bl2. I feel that each bl2 is the same: get harold, get roland, get fastball, farm bad maw, etc.
9:10 yeah I doubt it. They won’t ever listen to us I don’t think :/ randy pitchford and other devs straight up insulted a good amount of the fans saying we don’t know what we’re talking about basically. So they’re just gonna do what they want whether we like it or not
So why don't all of us just come together, learn to make games in our spare time, and form a studio to make a smaller game with the borderlands formula and release it as a new IP? I'd be so down.
Right now I think the community needs to focus on getting people on BL2. Any platform. Get the games steam numbers high and sales of the handsome collection to get a boost on consoles. All large companies care about are the numbers. Just keeping the player counts higher for BL2 than the newer games will send a message, even if gearbox wants to keep pretending the series is better than ever
Borderlands needs a reboot
A reboot won't fix anything if AAA studios keep making games the way they are now
gearbox needs to loose the rights to borderlands
And Bethesda has to lose the license to make fallout.
@GuitaroEnthusiastiBethesda didn’t make new vegas, obsidian did
Since Battleborn, I had the belief that GB can be a solid company, but their problem is management, specifically Randy who should've been behind bars a long time ago. Releasing your game to compete with Blizzard at one of their high points (Overwatch)? Getting first-timers to write Borderlands 3's story? Whatever tf Wonderlands is? New Tales? The friggin' movie? It's just ridiculous.
😂😅 The last 3 words are Hellfire Truth, brothas, and sistas! 💪🧡🔥✌️🤙
"And fuck you Gearbox" 😂 the sweetest words heard by my ears at the end there. Thanks Hellfire, for saying it exactly how it is with them 👍♥
After thinking about all the shit that’s happened in gaming the past year yea id say its in a terrible state
I’m only playing Borderlands 1,2, and the Pre-Sequel. I’m not touching 3 with a 10 foot pole, and I’ll only get 4 if it’s good 🤞
I replaid BL2 and TPS recently.
I heard the plan a Sequel to that.
I hope it will be good.
I know this is a month old, but if anyone like me have been hunting for games like Borderlands I recommend checking out an early access game called Black Ice. Made by a two dev team, lots of loot from machine guns to spell like abilities.
Alas the issue not only lies with Gearbox it's with Randy as well, he's specifically stated recently he's thinking about making a Live Service Borderlands game, which we do not want or need, did we even ask for one nope but he is considering. Gearbox needs to shift away from Randy and go back to doing what they did before he started sticking his nose into everything Borderlands related because he jumped on the train when it was popular.
Also for the love of god Gearbox, give us a Endgame for Borderlands 4, BL3 has shit for a Endgame, if we wanna have a endgame we are forced to go back to BL2 which has a pretty decent end game.
man i just want bia 4 ):
People talk a lot about bl3 and wl but everyone seems to have forgotten about what gearbox did to tps. They had a great game on their hands with a fun story, cool characters, interesting new mechanics, and a killer dlc. Then when Gearbox Australia fell under what did they do? Pick up the game and finish its life cycle giving it real engame and replayability? No, they just left it dead in the water to drown
I’ve actually got a video detailing what happened specifically to the pre sequel in my notes funny enough 😂
Once again you managed to say what most of us are thinking 👍
I may be one the oldest Borderlands player! Thank you for your opinions! If I was in charge I would focus on only borderlands only games and stop producing all the other crap games!
I wish borderlands creators could play other games for their UA-cam even if it's like 15~20% of the time, I believe it's important to take perspective from other good games but also having variety even if it means that takes up a small portion of time and its a backburner game but the back burner is what keeps you from being completely burnt out
My plea and want is a bigger focus on bandit themes. BL3 was 30% bandit, 70% scifi themes (maliwan troops, shmeden shmix, promethea maps, eridian*). And wonderlands is fantasy only.
I miss the bigger focus of 1 and 2 in bandit camps, bandit leaders, psychos, the wasteland vibes. Thats the borderlands essence imo. BL3 ditched it hard. (Im still shocked we didnt get a bandit takedown. Just maliwans, and aliens)
*i also hate the eridian redesigns but loved the old ones. Creepy flesh condtructs with eerie masks. Peak alien design.
Like others have said, Randy is the problem, he is a greedy narcissist ESG loving POS. Just look at the movie and the cast of the movie, he is the executive producer and I believe picked the entire cast. I just hope now that he is "shifting his focus toward the new film/TV division Gearbox Studios" sense he stepped down as CEO of Gearbox and became CEO of Gearbox Entertainment Company, he won't have as much input on BL4 as he did Tiny Tina's. But to be real that's just hope and I think the whole company now reflects him and who he is and BL4 will suck as much as ME4 Andromeda.
I think a component I need in a Borderlands 4, that I think some other titles have gotten pretty close, is BALANCE. I do NOT want a Borderlands 3 style of balance, where there is no challenge especially after hitting end game. I would love Borderlands 1 or hell I'd even take Borderlands 2 scaling of end game and balance over Borderlands 3, give us a challenge all the way through that is fun and please make legendaries worth looking at again (less drops)
Hey hellfire I know this is completely off topic but I have been having trouble with beating dukinos mom in digistruct peak op6 any tips or ways to cheese her. I have been trying for 6 months now
Randys' to busy twirling cards to listen to any helpful advice.
😭true
When it comes to deal breakers, I’d say a lot of what they did with bl3 shouldn’t be included in the new game. Legendaries shouldn’t drop like candy like they do in 3 for example. And they really shouldn’t be nerf happy like they were in 3.
If anointments come back at all they need to be toned down to only have slight buffs instead of buffs so amazing that you MUST have that anointment on a gun for it to be good.
They could look at destiny for inspiration for example. Like shooting a target makes the gun more stable or head shot kills massively increase reload speed, something like that (when I say destiny inspiration, I’m not talking about the damage perks btw. Frenzy maybe at most) but not something like consecutive hits. Cause that’s all anyone used for the most part
Fantastic games:
Borderlands 2, 2012
Borderlands 1, 2009
Skyrim, 2011
GTAV, 2013
Minecraft, 2011
Name a game that has come out since 2016 that can compete with this list. It seems like every game nowadays overcommits, underdelivers, and is a buggy half finished mess on launch.
RDR2 (2018)
Immortals of Aveum (2023)
Two top tier games since 2016 off the top of my head. There are others, though they are becoming more rare to find.
DOOM, DOOM ETERNAL.
Subnautica
Rimworld.
I was devastated to see my own kids play Fortnite when we had all the borderlands games... Poor parenting I guess... u_u
I don’t think anybody could’ve said it better. Good video dude
I cant find your brick run in my history. Whats your other channel name?
Hellfire Uncut
@@0fficalHellfire thanks🔥🔥
@@0fficalHellfire I subbed
Hope is gone! They are not going to listen. just gonna puke and regurgitate the same stuff. 😢😢😢
I've been playing the pre sequel a lot lately it's the only borderlands game I havent been burnt out on or played the characters to max lvl on
Pre sequel is a nice change of pace when you’re getting bored of the others
End game content is so thin it's a real slog to grind to level cap. Really needed a few more campaign DLCs and some raids to function. Doppelganger is still the best BL character in my book so I still love it.
As hyped as I was for the release of wonderlands when the trailer dropped I tought dude this will be the best game ever. The game released I didn't even finished the main quest, I stopped around lvl 15 and never touched it again. They could have easily made the whole game into a dlc for bl3 more straight forward with 1 hour of gameplay like the bl2 Tina DLC. They had the chance to bring badass melee weapons in bl3 and stall it's death. But they finished covering the grave way before that. I can't think of a most unfun DLC than krieg's dlc in bl3. Some people love it, I just hate it, it's just mobbing simulator, go from point A to point B.
Im keeping my expectations at rock bottom level for bl4.
I'm on console. Yay. They don't give a...... F... them. : )
It's sad how the borderlands community is dying and it's all gearbox's fault. Especially here in Brazil, there are very few content creators about this franchise. great video as always :)
Stay strong! Wote with your wallet! We have the power to force these companies to listen and that is MONEY! But to make it work we need to be consistent and don't give our money to them if they don't deserve it. It is that simple.
Based on MAK's conversations with Gearbox CEOs and how arrogant they were, many hardcore Borderlands players replied several issues, bad gameplay mechanics to Gearbox and they never listened, not a single time. Based on Randy Pitchford being a real a$$hole who don't give a sh1t about the community only money, based on the Sweet Baby Inc and other woke issues around the franchise - I have 0.00 hopes that Borderlands 4 will be any good. I surely won't preorder it. I will see if it has any value then if it has I will buy it. I won't make these greedy companies any richer if they don't change.
The movie? I will do what MAK told to do. I will buy a ticket for a different movie which I like and then I will change cinema rooms to watch Borderlands movie. I want to see it for cringe but I won't give money to these corpos who don't giv a f?ck for the community.
And don't tell me that I won't do this. I am 40 and I have my ways to deal with scammers...
Stay strong! Wote with your wallet!
Milked dry??? They need the Milkman 😂😂😂
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If they've been developing BL4 whilst under Embracer there's a chance that Take Two will see what they've made and say delete that & start again .
Na, if anything it means they will speed up production. Wonderlands 2 and BL4 are slated in gearboxes release schedule from anytime now up until 2026
Pearlesecent class weapons would nice
Indeed they would
I don't know how they dropped the ball so badly as to not include pearls in bl3
Randy does what Randy wants and nothing else. Borderlands is a dead franchise to me.
I think they could fix a lot of problems with the game with just understanding the pacing of the story. Even if the story is bad, people would just play through it without issues. The main reason there are so many complaints about borderlands 3 is how long you have to wait between missions and the bad pacing. Thats just me though 🤷♂
You are not wrong. The dialogue is so long and the Eden 6 section is a slog and a half. I still love the end game and builds and all that, but it took me a really long time to finish max leveling all the characters because I didn’t want to keep replaying the story.
That's actually my biggest issue. I don't particularly like BL3s story. But there's parts that really aren't bad. I liked seeing Rhys again, I didn't mind the eden 6 side plot TBH.
What I absolutely hated was having to "return to sanctuary" "talk to [tannis, lilith, ellie, etc etc]" and then I'm just stuck there sitting, waiting for permission to "travel to [planet]" so I can push a button on the ship and wait again, to then have to "go to the drop pod" which is all the way on the bottom and opposite end of the ship. It's very clearly just padding, time wasting whatever.
They could've and should've just let you listen to alot of the dialog while you ran to the objectives like in bl2, now there were times where bl2 grabbed you and made you wait, but those were key moments in the plot, and they were usually brief, and typically weren't cutscenes (sans Roland's shield mishap when Jack gives him a back massage)
Bl3 grabs you by both your wrists and clockwork oranges you into watching cutscenes and lengthy useless conversations that I simply don't care for. It makes leveling any new characters a chore and now I just quit to menu spam during dialog because that's actually quicker and less irritating than having to listen to the 3 most boring characters in the whole game yap about the new lore that isn't good and isn't interesting.
@@BigWheel. That’s exactly what I say all the time lol. One day I was trying to speed to level 72 with Fl4k and when you purposely try to speed level a character from 0 or 13 if you do the DLC skip, that’s when you truly realize how many arbitrary time gates there are in this game and it has to be over a hundred. And your point about return to sanctuary and speak to whoever for 2 minutes to drop right back down to where you just were, that gets unbelievably frustrating pretty early on, and your other point about the drop pod, same issue I had, I had Amara maxed and beat all the other content on mayhem 11, so I decided it would be cool to run all the Trials back to back. And that’s when you drop into a map to find a button, go back to sanctuary, run to the front to press a single button, run all the way to the back and drop down to the pod and then when you do that 6 times in a row, you’re just thinking “that whole process could’ve been 20 minutes shorter..” At a certain point the arbitrary time gates really start to get under my skin. But I do think the gunplay and movement and raid bosses and even the builds and variety of builds are better than the other games, it’s just painful to level characters and get past the bs before the end game. I have friends that like playing my characters when they are over at my place, but they won’t level their own characters all the way because they don’t want to play the story that many times, and it’s hard to disagree with that, even though I think the end game is actually the most fun part of BL3.
its too late to change anything about bl4 now, if it has been in development for years all the core features are already decided
I think it's too late at this point. I would have to look for the video again, but there was a Dev talk a few years ago for the New Tales game. They were discussing the strengths of the Borderlands franchise and what it's known for, and they explicitly mentioned that "comedy" is at the forefront of the franchise and that's what they were looking to personify with that New Tales abomination. I can't explain how frustrated I was when I heard that. If these are going to be the same baboons that write and direct the fourth installment, I'd rather the series die right now.
I guarantee that there will be a spiritual successor in the coming years that could do better work than gearbox ever can today.
They need to bring back rarities above legendary: seraphs, pearls, effervescent.
Also they need to sort some weapons out like returning the Hellfire back to Maliwan and getting rid of that stupid charge up that they gave Maliwan weapons in BL3.
Making class mods good again, i really didn't like the BL3 ones.
Better character/story writing and development.
The different planets were cool but they ruined Pandora and all the maps were too big.
I think it'd be cool to see mini bosses and raid bosses return from previous games.
Just a small thing but i want the lock on vehicles have in BL1 to return.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I want UVHM and OP levels back. If they don't bring them back, hopefully they at least make BL4 a bit challenging.
They need to bring back the level caps for the different difficulties, i don't like that you can get to max level in normal mode in BL3.
Make legendaries actually rare.
Another small thing, but I'd rather have to go and talk to NPC's to turn missions in instead of them getting turned in automatically.
borderlands needs to cool it with the whacky guns. bl1 the majority of the guns looked like, well, actual guns. they looked like lethal killing tools. they looked somewhat believable. bl2 went a bit whackier, but was still relatively ok. bl3 went WAAAY too whacky. almost every gun in the game looks like nerf guns. if every gun is "super cool living creature that shoots lasers and explosions all over and it's so epic", then NONE of them are unique. if every other gun you pick up is Etech, then it takes away the excitement of finding Etech. i'm fine with crazy looking guns, but make the crazy guns the legendary or higher ones, not white rarity or better.
Let's hope your first video after 4 comes out is a "I was wrong, BL4 is great" kind of video. I doubt it will be. We both know this is empty hope. But I still kinda hope it happens. Because I'll be right there to comment "I was wrong too!" on that fucker.
Great intro
😂 the "mids" 😂
Joltz has a pastebin post tagged in his streams about his reasons why he doesn't like BL3
There is a very slim chance for BL4 to be a great game, although most likely it will be as bad as BL3 or be more so on par to Wonderlands and New Tales. Gearbox is at the point to where they really cant afford Borderlands to fail and depending on BL4, it most likely will. At this point, if that happens, I will just keep playing BL1 and BL2 till other games come out to peak my interest.
Anybody looking for someone to play with? Just got back into the game after 12 years, I was 11 then. Now 23, about to finish my first TVH playthrough on zer0. I have a salvador that is about to finish normal mode too. Would like some homies to play with and get through UVHM with etc
Enjoy that blunt cuh
I can honestly say there is more that i know i want the game not to have than to have. At this point I feel it is crucial for the devs to not baby the game or have it as a live service. Although great for profits in the short term with fortnite being the exception. Most game companys now see their profits and think that they can copy that style of having a battlepass, shop etc. they need to focus on a truly good game. Go back to the ps3 and xbox 360 era for a moment, the devs can release soft patches, dlcs etc but there was still a core game that needed to be made fully. Not these half finished games that release with the promise of an update that will make the game you bought the game that was advertised. One of the many things that I loved about BL1 was weapon proficiencies they should bring that back in one way or another. NO WEAPON ANOINTMENTS, nothing made me take the game out of my ps4 faster than when I was farming for an item and it was deemed useless because of an anointment. Like you said @Hellfire their main key here is simplicity. The item system in BL2 was great imo (parts system) when even if you got a DPUH (Double Penetrating Unkempt Harold) you got hyped but if you got it with your fav sight, grip it made the gun feel even more rare to you again imo. BL3's art style, story, gameplay in general felt unpolished, like it had an identity it used to have but was trying to stray away from it if that makes sense. Anyway i can yap away more but I doubt anyone will read this novel.
I’m always in for goodwill in opinions :) this was an excellent read that I couldn’t agree with enough to be honest. Weapon proficiency’s by a large margin are better then BAR and Gaurdian rank as well.
They really do just need to take a look back at everything they did and take notes at what worked
I read all of that and I have no notes
DEAL BREAKER for me is no dedicated drops on launch, we did this shit for two games already just stop. also no invincible bosses to fight and higher rarity items besides legendary need to return and need to be worth the time to farm.
Honestly while I enjoyed BL3, BLpresequel, and Wonderlands I will admit that there is a steady decline of content quality and I really want to see the franchise come back to its BL2 days in terms of quality and the games that have come since BL2 are good and I've enjoyed them (except for new tales of the borderlands that game sucks) but I do have noticed the decline of content quality
Ngl, I went back to wonderlands the other week. I played it at launched and didn't enjoy it much so i stopped. Im finding it quite fun however as despite it being rather repitative and i have to put up with tina and andy samberg. The stats levelling is cool and it feels like i have way more freedom in my build. Im currently doing a melee/DoT build and i think its cool. I have always been a contrarian however as 3 has always been my favourite, the story is bad but i think the gameplay is so damn polished and gets less boring than 2 does imo
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I just hope bl4 builds off from bl3 gameplay and improves from it and i hope the pacing in the story is more like bl2 and obv not a annoying story
Gears is a lost cause. So is randy. Diablo 2 is STILL played a lot. Starcraft one is still played a lot because their communities made it happen. Hellfire your videos are fun and keep us watching. Gear them to the community. New ways to use items. How you would make seraph weapons better. What dlc would u add to presequel? Mods can implement ur ideas and eventually someone with brains from a company will figure it out and the love of bd2 and the community will b preserved thanks to you. This happened with diablo 2 and starcraft 1
I appreciate that ❤️ I would say the commander Lilith would’ve fit even better in the pre sequel then bl2. As it’s original concept was to be in that game, I’d love to see how it would play in that game
@@0fficalHellfire Those are ideas that we need to build on. That's what will keep the community alive and growing until the game is developed again.
If your not a fan of gearbox then why continue to complain about it just at something else
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Borders 4 needs to retcon and heres how.
A siren guardian/watcher/alien/seraph whatever, arrives on pandora a new enemy with the power of time manipulation we beat her and leech her powers,
We go back in time and stop jack killing roland, instead we capture him and use him to release the warrior we then go to the home planet of the calypsos and take them out begote they get a chance to start.
By doing this we save roland and maya, like the waycher said, we need all the vault hunters we can get, because the calypsos were a distraction apparently, and with that distraction gone, we can find the hidden home world of the ancient eridians, maybe they are the ones plaguing planets insted of whatever their doing.
Agreed, we also need to stop Scooter from going on that stupid Rocket in Tales of the Boredlands so he survives and the rest of the cast dies.
@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 hahaha, I haven't seen tales, but I defo don't want scooter dead, infact I'd have loved to play as scooter lol
Ok modern gaming isnt that bad thats a little too harsh its just gearbox dont know what the fans want
I respect everyone’s opinions as always but I just don’t agree. Modern gaming is not in a great place
@@0fficalHellfire with the woke shit nobody asked for yes. god i hate that word
I’m sad that borderlands is dying. It’s my favorite game franchise but I can’t touch bl3 and wonderlands I still playing bl2 and the first. I’d be excited for bl4 to be like the second and first game but I’m scared it’ll be a copy and paste of bl3 with no postgame like wonderlands and I don’t want to see my favorite game series to die like that
and they had a great game in tps that they just threw in the garbage
@@elishuster5943 if they didn’t shutdown 2K Australia it would’ve been much better and I think the story was a little rushed and it was harder to stay on level for that game but other than that it was good
Absolute deal breaker for me is another terrible character and not bringing back maya