Custom Night Vision | Tube Shootout 2.0 - L3 vs Elbit vs Photonis vs NNVT
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- We had a lot of feedback from our last tube comparison video, and y'all wanted a more dark environment. So we decided to give you a direct non bias comparison in the darkest environment we could find to bring you a controlled experiment. This will be the same
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0:00 - Overview
6:21 - Test Environment
8:22 - NNVT
9:29 - Photonis Echo
10:46 - Elbit PH
12:15 - L3 Standard Gain
13:28 - L3 Supergain
14:27 - Final Thoughts
CNV is the only company that is putting in this level of transparency for the customer. I appreciate the time and dedication of showing us what is what, to make the best informed decision.
Superb job on making this video, and keeping everything objective from tube to tube.
Thank you, we are committed to creating informative content for y'all and changing the purchasing experience when it comes to night vision!
Thank you sir. we are always open to suggestions also.
They also take time to work with customers. I just ordered a device from them but I wanted a fairly high spec L3 tube. They were willing to work with me and got me what I was looking for. Most companies are more of a "take it or leave it".
@@thatoneguy454c 100%
Fck the haters. The vast majority of us appreciate the content.
😘
I for one appreciate the video, it was a great comparison, thank ya! Shoutout to Hop for pointing me this way with his Jerry 31 video!
Hell yeah man, we appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Make sure you increase your video quality when watching this!
I realized it was streaming at 1080p and the clarity was completely different when I went back and bumped up my video quality 2160.
Thank you!
Solid advice when using all video platforms that end in "HUB"
Great video as usual, ignore those who aren't spending top dollar for they will always attack top tier products.
I really like this testing better then outside if there is a lot of ambient like. This truly show the SNR and EBI in effect.
it also shows the environment the majority of night vision customers operate in lmfao.. jk
Holy shit that l3 41snr was NICE!!
It’s pretty unnecessary
What do you mean ?
It sure was man if I had the money that be my buy!
Though I should also say, I was pretty impressed with all of them.
@@kevin11288 At what SNR level do you just stop caring? 🤣 35? 37?
Outstanding video. Thank you for trying to rule out the human element and let the video show the results.
Thanks man
Outstanding side by side comparisons. Thank you for taking the time to do this. My pick on a value/performance basis is the Photonis, followed by Elbit.
right on.
thank you for all the work you put into getting us this content.
Super happy with my Photonis Echo WP even if its not the best on the market its what fits my budget without sacrificing too much quality.
you guys rock
Glad you enjoy it!
Thanks for all the effort sir, I know it's Really a pain to do it but it's well worth it!
Nah it’s fun
The best we can get where I live are photonis tubes. I got a 2337 echo with 69 lp, 33.87 snr and 9988 gain (31k in us units) and I have to say that I don't mind the dimmer output. I even turn the gain down most of the time because I don't want it too bright in dark conditions. I've used US gen 3 as well, and I can't say that the photonis is much worse at all. It's just a bit dimmer.
Thats a great tube.
Big screen and max quality is amust for this vid! Great job!
Thank you sir.
Thanks, helps educate me about tubes.
Thank you for watching
This was great as I'm in the market to get a pvs-14 soon I appreciate comparing the tubes it helps a lot.
Thats why we do it! thanks for watching.
If i had these videos 3 years ago when i bought my PVS-14 that would of been nice haha. Great videos. Photonis on up in the video is what i would pick.
I got here as fast as I could
Loved the video, 10/10.
Thank you!
Legit video, as a newb to the night vision game I enjoy the content.👍🇺🇸 btw, I just picked up a Jerry 31 from ya’ll it’s freaking amazing for the price point.
thank you!
will you recommend it for a first time buyer? or save for a better unit?
Hell yeah thanks for your business.
Thank you 😉 I'm glad you did it! CNV is definitely one of the best suppliers out there.
Next time ULTRA low light testing? At the point where all the tubes starting to fail? :)
@@aesthetic8780thats basically what this was
Really cool !! thanks for this video!!
You're very welcome. Thank you for watching!
Hi guys, great video, I think it showcases one of the things we like to say, which is that people should get whatever tube and housing looks best to them in the conditions that they'll most likely use them in, at the price point they're comfortable with. At some point we'd like to get one of our high gain, glass-on-glass tubes into your hands.
Yeah man id love to check them out. Do you know how to contact me?
Please let us know how to contact you.
I'd be furious if I had to deal with this sort of behaviour from publicist builders.
You can message us on our IG or email me kevin@customnightvision.com
Dude wtf are you talking about? we test a product and you don't like how it preforms in relation to others, that in our market, are in direct competition with each other? Did you recently discover youtube?
I’m surprised you had so much flack. I appreciated that video
Thanks man, we appreciate it.
That is a crispy L3 tube my guy….
I’m not your guy, buddy
😂
@@kevin11288 well you did say that you’re “not out of the closet either….”
41 SNR is great but show me where I can get one and what the price is. Love your videos but would really love to see a comparison of different tubes with similar high SNR as well as approximate price ranges.
Steele has 41 Snr pvs 31. They also had dtnvs -mg set that had 39 Snr / 2860 fom for 9600
The easy answer is "I only sell the best tubes, no junk here, gimme a break!" haha
Can y'all do a video comparing high spec vs low spec of the same manufacturer? I'd like to see how large of a difference it makes to jump up to a higher spec tube vs lower. My Echos are great but I'd like to see if it would be be worth it to pick up another tube with better FOM.
We actually did, check out the supergain video
I thought the photonis looked pretty good in this video? I honestly thought it would perform worse in a no light scenario.
I know that’s a high spec L3 standard gain tube but it looks soooo good!😊
I prefer standard gain but its all based on use case and personal preference.
Ignore the obvious haters. You are performing a valuable service for those that actually BUY if not already own night vision. I used to be of the mindset only buy the most expensive when it came to tubes and realized after MANY purchases that does not necessarily apply to the actual use you plan to use them in. ANYONE who is attempting to question your integrity should note, you clearly stated that OMNI tubes are not great or the best in urban settings. (@4:45) Keep on keeping on.
Thank you sir.
Thank you for doing all of this work.
I would love to hear your actual opinion on which you think is the best and why.
it all depends on environment for me.
@@kevin11288 Thank you for getting back to me. I'm looking for the best all around (Buy once, cry once) but with a 50/50 urban to rural environment. What would you recommend.
Thank yall for the informaton, as always. The internet always has somethin to say, dont it?
Yep and we will keep answering.
Hell yeah 🔥👹
*Stone Cold Walk out music starts*
PHD of NVD can you please explain the RPO 3.0 & 2.0 combo that you prefer? I would like to know more about the combo and is it an option for customers to order or just something you can do with your own builds since you have the parts on hand? thanks again for your T&E sharing info with us.
Unfortunately the 2.0 eyepiece isn’t available. The 3.0 is a suitable replacement it’s just a personal thing. The 2.0 was a little heavier and the increased eye relief gives us a little better experience with the camera.
@@kevin11288 thanks for explaining that it's not an option for customers and it's to make your photos & videos better/easier.
I am now in the market for one of these and having issues trying to understand the differences on the spec sheets. Now I am a photographer in my only question is when you are using your camera to record did you have it set to complete manual settings also the ISO that you choose to use affects the amount of noise you are seeing from your video camera meaning these tubes may be actually clear than this video is showing because you're getting the noise from the actual tube and no light condition and noise from your camera videoing in no light condition. I would just like to know if you shot this in manual setting for everything and not auto
Hey great question! We shoot our intensifier tube footage with a Sony FX3 and a Sony 24mm f2.8 G lens. The camera settings are locked specifically for tube footage and they do not deviate between tubes. For full transparency the footage is shot in 4K 60p, 1/125, 640iso(the lowest setting), exposure +1.7, the lens f-stop is locked at 2.8 and is set to manual focus. I hope this gives you some clarity on our footage.
I found the standard l3 to have the best image with the door shut
As an L3 owner, this makes me happy. However for the price, NNVT's aren''t bad. I want some for a NVG build I have going on
yeah they're pretty impressive.
Is anyone else really surprised how well the nnvt tube did ?
The Chinese are
And the photonis. I thought the Elbit and supergain tube looked noisier.
So, I have duals with both the NVT4, and similar spec's echoes that he showed, and I was seriously supprised when I looked through an L3 tube, I thought they'd blow both mine out of the water. I did like the slightly brighter image, but other than that I honestly didn't see a big enough benefit to justify price personally. Not saying mine are "just as gud!" But was just surprised that the difference besides a brighter image was marginal
@@dmaraschky1 And that's what has been tough for me to decide. You can get photonis WP duals in the 7k range, but if you wanna go to L3, that jumps up to 9-11k.
@@musicman1eandayes, not worth it. I started to sell all my L3 stuff. I replace it with Photonis, Elbit and NNVT.
Great vidoe as always. Not hating but I think the feedback of using a 41 SNR tube has something to it. Just looking at your site right now and the average SNR is around 34 for L3 PVS-14s. How much better does this 41 SNR tube compare to a "normal" tube (something around 35 SNR)
Honestly, its very minimal. everything over 34-35 is just extra. you can see a slight difference in the amount of scintillation in the darkest of environments between say 33 and 40 SNR but its not as drastic as you may think. we chose these tubes so that the viewing experience was good while also demonstrating the diferent manufactures capabilities and characteristics.
@@kevin11288 makes sense
I also have a super gain, but I can hardly tell the difference from the normal gain L3 indoors.
Supergain is only shown outdoors.
Outdoors would have inherently more ambient light. This is the best situation ive been able to come up with that creates the kind of conditions where the supergain has the opportunity to display its advantage.
Good video!Any opinions on the new boomslang 50 lenses?
Sounds like a video topic 👀
@@kevin11288 agreed!
If you pull it off in the next 7 days I'll give you a like and comment on the video for free haha!
i really couldn’t see anything in there, the only reason that lum/lux reading was anything at all was because of the camera’s red recording light
well unfortunately Im only in the market for the cheapest NV I can get, but pretty soon here when I make the decision to get some legitimate binos it will be from you guys. Hope the jerry 31s last that long!
I have a set of Jerry's, I also have some 4G echoes and the Jerry's are pretty solid in comparison. If you can, I would try to find a set of the autogated tubes, they seem to habe slightly better specs than the non autogated NNVT tubes. I'm a fan though! Would like to get some NVT5 tubes in some tantos in the future
they last long time. Hunny we haa dem fo yuuu.
Without music it will be better. Great information, thank you very much.
Noted!
The regular L3 was the obvious winner here.
NNVT means everything and nothing.
NNVT has four different tubes and each series has different variations.
Can we know if the tube is NNVT 4, 5, 6 or 7? Thank you
NNVT4
@@kevin11288 Sir thank you for your efforts. Following your train of thought in terms of testing with high spec tubes you should do a comparison with an NNVT-7 tube since I feel the NNVT-4 tube you were testing with here is really under powered compared to the others.
There is very little you will be able to do to convince the far sides from their options. My critique was based on your examples favoring one use over another and you can’t adjust for that. Each user has to understand the differences. I think you sorta touched on that again. People tend to think L3 is the best at everything and you can’t get better … that L3 are the top of the line when that’s actually not true. While there are crappy tubes, each tube will work differently in different lighting environments, in different situational environments and you have to know what you’re gonna be doing with your tube. The most novel thing to do is tell people where a product sucks, not what it’s good at. Make the list of pros and cons for each tube but I think you guys might’ve already done that or maybe that was another seller I’m not sure
Still a great video. I preferred the testing of the last video but this was a very cool test. Sadly, you’ll never satisify everyone on the internet though lmao
That’s what Only fans is for. Lol
Satisfy the masses lol
@@kevin11288 🤣🤣🤣
My elbows are pretty beat up, not sure how many HJs I could dish out before complete failure. @@Kaotix_music
I think most of the people who are wanting NVG they are new to the community and are a bit ignorant. Most of us buying these are either prior military or law enforcement. I’ve used crap tubes in the military and also in law enforcement. The tubes I used in the military had blems and the ones from SWAT had less or no blems. If you have an open mind you can learn a lot from these guys or just ask someone who has hundreds if not thousands of house of use in different either combat situations or SWAT situations.
Thanks dude.
It was me being the b*tch about the bad photonis tube. I’ll own it haha. I still love you guys and have spent good money with you. Just wanted to hammer that point home.
I was totally being a b*tch about it. I just want all options represented at their best.
Photonis gain is still pretty bad even when you multiply it hah. But you know that.
I appreciate you.
I literally made this video FOR YOU. Thanks for being a good sport lmfao.
@@kevin11288 Explanation: I’m a ginger. I blame Scotland.
@@RunningWithSauce how dare you besmirch the good Scottish people.
I'm from Johnstone Scotland lol. My avatar is my kilt, haha. American Mother, Scottish Father ;) We are a difficult but friendly people. If you ever want a vacation where you get to just fight drunks, visit Glasgow at night , But seriously, I do appreciate you entertaining my accusations given you had absolutely zero obligation. @@kevin11288
Here is a idea.
Compare the sensitivity to 940nm illuminators. (I'm thinking about a 5mm led to help with walking in very dark spots)
And maybe 980nm lasers. (can people with different tubes point stuff out o each other at some distance with a civilian legal laser in high light and low light)
send lasers and I will.
I really like the elbit unit you used in this video. What is the price on that?
A handpicked unit in the Custom Builder with the same configuration would be Just under $4100 before tax.
I contacted customer service and they said they didn't have any elbit tubes that match close to these specs. Do you want to sell that demo?
Call me today, i have a few elbit tubes with similar specs. they will not be as clean though.
I want that one.....
@@matthewcarpenter3553 then get ahold of me
People stress over all the details of these specs then never use it outside their basement.
Why you think im in a closet bruh? thats The AO.
All things considered, surprised with the performance of the NNVT 🤷🏼♂️
Thank you
always, we love bringing this information to y’all!
Is it just me or did that Elbit look like it had more noise than the photonis?
It does. Elbit tubes have a thin-film inside! Filmed tubes losing about 20% on SNR performance.
Photonis tubes are Filmless. No photons get stopped by the Film.
Elbit also has higher gain.
@@aesthetic8780 You're saying an elbit with 30snr actually only has 24?
@@musicman1eandaNo, if your spec sheet says 30 SNR it's 30 SNR :)
All good.
They are noisy because of higher Gain. You need better SNR if you want a less noisy image at higher gain levels.
But in reality when produced without film, the Elbit would have 30% better SNR.
This means you would get less noise because it would be in perfect balance with Gain.
It’s the elbit
I love my xlsh tube
They are one of the best values for sure.
the closet of science
Dont tell, its our secret.
Someone said you guys use tubes that are “too high spec”? 😂. Such BS. I’m sorry y’all are having to deal crap like that on here. Typical social media. Never happy. I speak from personal experience when I say CNV is one of the best civilian NV stores in the US. Buyers deserve top quality spec tubes, and these guys make that happen for us.
😍🥰 thanks boo
You rave about that elbit tube
you should see what we (The tube and I) do when no ones around.
Clear difference between the mil spec L3 Elbit and the others. I tell people either one of those. Not the other cheap crap
Thanks for the video, it was very helpful for me. I have an RNVG-A housing right now that I’m needing tubes for and I’m trying to decide which. Can I afford any of the ones here? yup, that’s not an issue. Do I want to spend money for the hell of it? Yeah, no. So I’m currently leaning Elbit. My eyes don’t see the difference between them and the L3 being worth the coin. I’m currently running gen 2+ green tubes and have to assume these will be a big upgrade regardless
They will be.
Love the video man! haha just remember you're always going to have dumb in the comments. It's the magic of youtube lol -Walsh
Lol i love them. Always an opportunity to teach.
I 🤍 CNV
We love you 😘
awww thanks boo
Plays call of duty once…
now a expert in all subjects night vision…
Ignores Kevin’s lifetime of experience with night vision of all types…
Feels like a god…
Buys a Finance & Maneuver Tshirt thirst trapping goth girls…
Lmfao
Bruh this has me thinking I really did buy a piece of shit when I bought my photonis tubes. Comparing to L3 is night and day
awe, dont be sad dude. im sure its a really nice tube man. she said the L3s are way to bright and yours is PERFECT.
I wouldn't even read the comment section or address these comments. Just show this shit
Amen
Lmfao
Here’s my own low light comparison of photonis vs supergain
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That’s nice, would be nice if they answered emails too…
They answer mine. (Shrug)
Algorithm
Really need it to get to work.
@@kevin11288 ❤️, also put in a word to start stocking the MH-1 from low light if you could😎
whenever its real.
For now, L3 is where it’s at
Not even close. I own tubes from L3, Elbit, photonis and NNVT. L3 has worst image. Together with NNVT.
@@aesthetic8780 you identify as blind?
You definitely identify yourself as troll.
@@aesthetic8780I troll people who deserve it. Convert this to braille Susan
would you STOP PRESENTING MEASUREMENTS WITH UNLIKE UNITS OF MEASUREMENT, and STOP comparing brands by name, while using non-representative samples. 1500 FoM is not representative of a modern NNVT tube you would purchase as an alternative to an Echo or Echo+. Would a professor accept your mixing of units of measurement in an exam, because don't worry you and he both know and can take it for granted?
I dont know what this little guy is trying to tell me but I love the tenacity.