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Are you critising One-Child Policy？ You demon!!!!! Without this policy, my parents would have given birth to tens of children, just like their parents. And they wouldn't have treasured the kids as they should have. Do you mean the kids are not fully-human, they cannot share any human rights?!!
Could the Double-reduction Act be treated with the 50-50 policy for separating half of the junior middle school students into senior middle school and leaving the rest half in technical schools? Such a combination may be a better way to provide an angle for educational reform in China.
Yup, and I disagree with him, that no shit the rich can always do what they want to get around the rules. What's changed is that now the lower and middle class can't easily access private tutoring, then most people don't do it and just depend on the school system instead, which still frees up time for many many students once it's no longer the norm, which is the case now. As if this problem is only solved once the rich can't do it either, lmao.
@@zumabbarAre you f**king serious? Homework left by teachers in school and voluntary private tutoring chosen by parents and students are the same thing? What did your school teach you? Bet you were the type of student no one would want to admit ever had taught you.
@@zumabbar well now the students are left with (and I am not kidding), several feet of homework that must be done without assistance. At least the tutors could improve its effectiveness and not leave people drowning in work.
The Taiping Rebellion was started by a guy who had a nervous breakdown after he failed the standardized imperial examination thrice and caused him to go insane and see visions and proclaim himself to be Jesus Christ's brother that would result in 20-30 million deaths.
I lived and taught in China for ten years and came face to face with the harrowing reality of the Chinese education system. The Children of China spend so much time in stressful, ultra-competitive education they end up having no real childhood and for what? The opportunity to fight for an ever dimminishing pool of work where they have to work long hours for low pay.
Yes, and now imagine what happens to those who didn't put enough effort studying. Even worse job market for them. Apply your western values somewhere else. Not the same sociocultural situation at all.
@@astroch No the unemployment issue is for the university graduates. There are 50 million jobs that university graduates don't want to apply for. It's a mismatch between supply and demand. Too many kids want to goto university and at the end there's no work for them.
As a teacher in China, lots of this info is true. The double reduction act back in 2021 wrecked havoc on training centers everywhere in the country, and many tutors I know have had to go into hiding or stop their group classes altogether. However, homework hasn't been "banned", just reduced, but it depends how many extracurricular activities you still enroll your kid in after school. If they don't have many others, then this helps the students have a bit more free time during the week. The policy also actually helps teachers like myself have a more free schedule on the weekends, so I personally see it as a win-win.
Worst part is that these students go at break neck speed through school only to fall off a cliff after they graduate with lack of work opportunities that fits their education achievements
The saddest part is that students comimg from these 20hour/day nightmares to a finnish university are still quite average, i.e. all this force-feeding of information is gloriously wasteful (and, arguably, even harmful to their capacity to learn efficiently).
The average student is, but the system also produces some of the most proficient people in the world. You just won't see them in Finland. Some will be in China, in places like Tsinghua, while others will emigrate to the US - where they're everywhere in its tech industry. In fact the ones going to non-aspirational foreign placements - which I'm sorry to say Finland is one of them - are precisely those who're trying to escape the system of cutthroat competition. They are, by definition, either not able or not willing to compete. The best of them don't go to Finland, they go to the US. And not to your average US university either, but to the Ivies.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn the fancy US/UK university will clearly always attract the most ambitious from the richest families, but not necessarily the brightest, since not everyone can afford the tuition fees in the US. People that land in Finland or similar EU places with lower tuition fees are clearly not the dumbest bunch (they mostly come here with bachelor's from some of the top universities in China), and their families clearly have the funds to finance their stay in Europe (so they had the funds to invest into their education throughout). If the system actually deposited knowledge in proportion to study time invested, I'd expect all graduates of Chinese unis to be top 1% of every class in Finland, and in my years of teaching this has never happened.
I sat in for a friend to teach an English class. To help the post high school kids converse. I asked them to tell a story from their childhood. None of them could. They were all nice kids, and bright and intelligent. But it was like they had no memories of their childhood.
That's a problem with China's English classes that's been there for decades: rote memorization is stressed over flexibility in usage of language. How do Chinese kids determine who amongst themselves is "better" at English? By the number of vocab words each kid claims to know. I've worked with a few people from China who learned English in school, and one of the biggest challenges is shifting their way of thinking away from "I need to learn more words." Now, to be fair, the classroom is not the most effective way of learning how to _use_ a language. It's good for building vocabulary and understanding language structure, but _use_ of language requires...well, actually going out and using it. Think of how many high school students in the US take foreign language classes in order to graduate. How many of those kids are actually fluent in those languages they took?
@@ZhangtheGreat Boy did I ever hate French in Junior High School. There definitely is that side of the coin. I put English for Chinese speakers, and Chinese for English speakers at pretty much the same difficulty level. The main difficulty being there is essentially nothing in common. The battle is forever uphill. Unlike studying French or Spanish for English speakers where once you get deeper into it, you gain a richer understanding for both languages given the ancient connections. You are totally right about inside the classroom and outside the classroom. Given the whole dynamics and profound difficulty of it all, I do think the Chinese do exceedingly well with English. Especially when compared to how well English speakers do with Chinese. Like all things, there are plusses and minuses.
This is not quite accurate - Homework is definitely not banned in China. It's been "banned" for the lower grade levels, say 1-3, however... The children are still expected to know the same material for tests and parents still have massive anxiety due to the insane competition. So the result of this is parents have taken on more responsibility and still have their kids study and do homework at home. Effectively, nothing has changed and if anything has burdened parents more
@@valetudo1569 yea polymatter always has these awful clickbait titles that actually make them look less professional and more like a content slop clown. no idea why they do that, i guess the metrics still favor it
@@shatterscape First, that is not "learning", that's just memorizing shit. Second, if you'd have to go to school for 14 hours and do homework, you would get crushed. Now get out of your mom's basement and learn to have some fucking sympathy.
One of the top reasons I’ve heard why over achieving (and rich) parents for East Asia immigrate to the west is so that their children don’t need to go through the same thing even though they went through the same system and became successful.
@@BigBoss-sm9xj or they just have a different survival instinct. I've read and observed that East Asian education systems are so cutthroat that it's not unheard of for kids who crack under the sheer weight of expectations and competition to self-delete. Combined with the Big Brother that is the CCP, any parent who wants their family line to have the most remote possibility of growing up and succeeding under a government that DOESN'T watch them while they sleep (and can afford the journey) would act accordingly.
Funny thing is many Canadians/Australians etc would argue the same people cause same issues in their country, huge part of insane real estate prices in the west has been driven by wealthy Chinese people buying up entire portfolios of real estate, not just to live in but for rental income for when they & their kids move. Even in the UK it's got to point Hong kong private equity now buys up houses in deprived areas of the country to seek rental yield as they've priced themselves out of big cities like London. I lived in a new apartment block & all my friends had different landlords who just moved to the UK living off rental income, hardly productive/healthy. Those same kids push other kids out of top schools & jobs whilst creating an insane unaffordable housing bubble. It's all one big circle in the end.
@@d.b.cooper1 As a chinese student who willing to immigrate to developed countries, I would say the fact you are talking about are quite common, where there are chinese(include taiwennese), threre is real estate bubble, it's not only bothered you commen indigenous people, same for a poor international student who are seeking for a rental house with reasonable price. It's not a exotic issue but a classic, they are just landlord, same thing going on in china as well, just by domestic landlord rather than exotic.
@@enibels5765 All I'd say is...The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Makes more sense for people from poor countries, but China/Taiwan etc are fairly developed, unless you're from the lowest class in the rural area. A lot of Western countries are at breaking point when it comes to immigration politically, the future does not look good for immigrants or children of migrants, many want them deported & generally racism is back on the rise across society. Just some things to consider.
1:27 This is eerily similar situation to the one in India. The tuitions in my area have batches of 600-700 students each, being taught by a single professor.
@@trndsttr7585 Average day in South Asia entails - living in the most polluted cities on planet earth, working hours borderline illegal in the west, being stuck in chaotic traffic and attending grewling tutoring classes. To top it all off you are to thank your country to be living here.
As a poor student who is facing gaokao in China, I actually exercise my English in these videos, so horror that you can imagine. I also watch major American magazines due to whose papers occur on the test. In fact, Private Tutoring is always worse than self-learning and makes people hate studying, which can't arouse students' interest. Homework is more and more for me because I need to buy. it's lol
It's similar to Japanese/Korean mentality. Spend 100 hours a week on your job/school. Be very unproductive in that 100 hours. It's part of a "Saving Face" culture where you prioritize the look of hard work over actual productivity.
@@studyonline4763I mean, if you measure it by GDP per Capita, then yes, most of the west is nearly twice as productive per hour as Korea and Japan for instance.
@@studyonline4763You are missing the point. Your efficiency, so how much you get done per amount of time significantly decreases with longer working/studying time. Japan is infamous for its workers working long hours but at the same time being extremely inefficient compared to other developed economies. Because if you're spending 10+ hours a day in the office you won't be particularly mentally fit at the end of it. Of course, this also means that if you work less you'll usually be more efficient, although that isn't always the case as coordination and other factors are also at play. But generally, someone working for 4h a day will get more than half done what he'd achieve in 8h, but of course only working 4h a day would probably be underutilizing a worker. For physical activities you obviously get tired after some time, but people often underestimate how tired your mind gets after hours of at least somewhat challenging work. Because of that, studying 12h a day for a prolonged period of time is not only quite unhealthy but pretty inefficient. But obviously these types of consideration don't matter if studying more could allow you to get a white collar job in a country where blue collar jobs are paid extremely poorly and have terrible working conditions. Sooner or later the pay for these types of jobs will naturally increase as less and less people are willing to do them, but for now China still has more than enough people willing to do these jobs. Additionally, China has artificially kept domestic demand low and its still rather static economic model is currently too slow to adapt, which causes the big discrepancy between industries demand for low skilled workers and the oversupply of educated graduates.
Leave it to polymatter to mess up every single graph label and axes in his videos. The work schedule at the start almost gave me an aneurysm, completely randomly switching between AM and PM throughout the whole thing.
The graph is shit but the only incorrect part about it is the last PM should've been an AM? There's nothing random about it it's just a really annoying to read graphic
Evidence is mounting on Chinese social media that the girl cheated with her teacher to get to 12th place. Although there is currently no response from the organizer, the combination of various clues makes it difficult for people to believe in her math ability. So I guess our education system is still OK. ·Following is my original comment· Our education system is a joke. The most recent case is a girl named Jiang Ping from Jiangsu province, she failed to get into high school because of bad grades, instead she's studying dressmaking in a technical school. But she successfully won the 12th place in an advanced math competition held by alibaba, many of her defeated opponents are from very famous university, even some are PhD.
Based on what you described, it seems that your education system successfully offers this girl the opportunity to develop her talents in math instead of forcing her to put all her time into dressmaking.
sounds more like an inspirational story for hopes (& copes), consider she is a rare case that succeeded outside of the pay-to-win educational system which doesnt account for most people who failed to achieve so, as usual
All Chinese parents literally want their kids to be Professors. Their system literally looks down on any form of manual labour, be it electrician, mechanic, plumber. They'd do better creating "opportunity" rather than a "prestige" system.
We need electricians, non-electrician electrical technicians, plumbers, mechanics, and others to build and maintain the works of engineers. Some jobs are suited to "do it yourself", sure, but not all. You can build your own PC and change your wiper fluid and maybe brakes if you're patient, but can you safely install a breaker box?
Finland: What about if we make all private schools public and fund them all equally. Polymatter: Okay everyone BUT Finland can't do education right. Like the fundamental thing this video misses is that regardless of if you tackle the problem of wealth directly or indirectly you are still going to fight the wealthy. Be it ending private tutors OR taxing the rich more to put more funding in poorer schools, the fight is no different. The rich will oppose any decrease to their advantage, be it educationally, privligely or moneyly.
Ikr? China seems to have done fairly well here. The super wealthy can nearly always buy their way out. The private tutoring law levelled the playing field and made the lives of kids better for everyone else.
Sadly Finland has been semi-privatising some of its public universities in recent years. Apparently they now make more money (since that's what a school is supposed to do?) but a lot of great professors and teachers in addition to regular faculty members have been fired. For example my university (or at least my field in that school) removed the role of student councelor entirely. Pretty much saddled the teachers with the added duties of guiding students on how to plan and choose their curriculum to be able to even be enrolled in the right classes.
I teach in China at an international school and, due to the high tuition, only students from wealthy families can attend. Overall, these kids are horribly behind the students I had at grossly underfunded schools in the US in terms of thinking skills, independence, and desire to learn (grades are the only motivator). At the same time, they will be able to attend universities in the West because they've attended a prestigious English-speaking school; it perpetuates the inequalities mentioned in the video.
By your description, you could be a teacher at my son's school. He says there is so much cheating by the Chinese kids because they just need the grades, and they lack of the kind of knowledge that he takes for granted. And he says they sleep in class and study when they get out of school.
If they are horrible behind, how can then they attend university as opposed to those of who attend underfunded schools in the US? Does not make much sense.
So these international schools are a waste of time? Do any of these thick kids go to the top Chinese universities? Or do they just pay full fees to fund UK universities regardless of their grades?
@@巫轟 fees for international students are significantly higher than local students to the point where some universities rely on international students paying exorbitant amounts to fund the school
Excellent video. I was an English language teacher who was let go because of China's new law. I now teach science at my local high school, but I'm still certified to teach English as a second language. Everything you mentioned was spot-on: kids being so overworked from studying, for-profit tutoring companies making billions, the Gaokao, and the financial pressures on adults that made them decide to remain childless, etc... I loved my job, but I hope the kiddos are doing better. Also, thank you for adding the comparison of American collages and universities.
Answer: There was no time slots left for homework Also, it's all a lie. Even ifyou somehow manage to get a good job (which you most likely won't), you still can't afford a house.
The house price in Shanghai, beijing and Shenzhen where good job exist is crazy. People in US and EU have no idea how crazy the afforablity issue is in China.
@@leoliu5017 I mean, a lot of places in the US literally have rentals and housing prices many times the median wage. Even if you have a higher income, you are generally stuck renting in a lot of cities. Homelessness is exploding in every town and city you come across here. It's a mess everywhere in the world, and probably for similar reasons.
Meanwhile, the already well-off from birth (or, really, their families) are gaming the system or leaving China to avoid it altogether. Tale as old as time
@@butterfish-g9f In China the rent is kind of ok, house price just went crazy. The townhouse in rural Shanghai when I try to buy is 2k usd per sqrt meter, now it is 10K, per sqrt meter. That is 5 times jump in less than 10 years from a already not cheap price for the local income.
@@leoliu5017 Well at least the rental market is still stable over there. I wouldn't be surprised if that blows up like in the US too. I don't know what can be done to stop this, but something has to give.
It's even worse in Korea. One of my Korean friends took his life in 2019 due to exam stress. Granted, he was struggling mentally, but the ultra competitive nature of East Asian education needs stopping.
It's built into the culture.Like it or not the western countries are far superior in taking care of their own people than any of those rich Asian countries. Asian cultures are designed to kill people not grow or develop them.unfortunately
I am a bit not sure what happened when literally in the first second Polymatter went "wake up at 5.30 in the morning" but the graphic shows 4.30am. Was that wrong or did I get it wrong? XD
I grew up in a small town and had a happy childhood. Went to school from 8.00 till 1.30 I did have homework but always had time to go around biking with friends, playing in the forests, etc. Makes me sad to think of a kid growing in a big city focusing on school from sunrise to sunset.. Life is so short, no kid should have to go through that..
Government laws often have the opposite effect from their intent, especially when they go against popular demand. In response to the oil crisis, the US government passed the CAFE rules that said that cars must average a certain mileage per gallon. But SUVs were exempt, because they were “light trucks.” Result: station wagons disappeared and gas guzzling SUVs took over. Car manufacturers met the CAFE standards, gas guzzlers took over, and gasoline usage went up.
I'd argue "lobbying", sometimes better known as bribery, did the trick, rather than popular demand. There was a reason SUVs were an exception. An exception which should never have happened.
The obvious flaw was not simply using the high gas taxes of Europe, the CAFE system was designed to fail, not a failure of design. This idea that regulation backfiring is from the same people who activly did the designing to fail in the first place so they can argue for no regulation.
@@SpaceJawa in this case it was very, very much intended by the car industry lobbyists to make more money selling SUV's. It was just masked as an unintended consequence.
1:00 when i predicted this outcome in our modern education system (regular schmuks "needing" to spend ungodly amounts of time & stretches studying JUST to be 'normal' & qualify for jobs that should not require those degrees) i was called insane. "it won't ever get that bad." they all said. Equal parts horrified and happy to have learned this year that my prediction now holds true (without any debate) in China and India. And while my 'haters' might say "ha! that's not here! you lose!" I'd like to point out they make up about 2-3 BILLION people. That's rougly speaking at least a quarter of all humanity where my prediction already holds true.. But sure keep pretending it's not a problem that needs fixing. Can't wait for the world where your McDonalds staff is mostly made up of college gradu-... oh wait. :)
There is nothing more important than a good/normal childhood in the development of a human being. It literally shapes who we become as adults, from our temperaments to our creativity. You can be very book smart in Asias system but socially incompetent and lack innovation.
A country isn't run on innovation though. If your country had a billion people, would you rather have most of them be competent at what they do in their day to day jobs at the cost of innovation or have 0.01% create successful businesses while the rest of the population can't even find their own country on a map like america.
The whole intro is a good description of “path dependence”, where previous decisions and events forever lock you into an ever narrowing path of potential and opportunity.
These tutoring agencies completely destroyed Hong Kong’s education system. Teacher did halfassed work during the day in schools and sold sample test paper at night to the same students for pay. Absolute travesty.
As someone who go through the GaoKao grinding, it is surprising to see how deep your insight for the whole issue are. And even great you try to find the root cause and Chinese government mentality and you touched same issue in USA. Bravo for the great work and hope you can continue even deeper! Thank you!
I used to work as one of the English tutors before and at the start of the pandemic in Shanghai. As one of the most expensive cities in China, raising a child there can become extremely expensive, which became one of the reasons why adults refused to have more than one or sometimes two children. The dismantling of the tutoring sector as came right after the Three-Child policy was introduced, which left many of the parents with the opinion "If you can have a child because it's too expensive, then we [the government] will remove the things for you to spend the money on."
Somehow this education system is very similar with what is happening in Indonesia right now. The annual Gaokao, the rise of private offline and online tutoring (called bimbel), and the prestige of being accepted to top 3 or 10 national universities…
As a Chinese, I can confirm private tutoring(课外班) is back, except this time they either require you to be online(which is bad for your eyes), or becomes more expensive(to evade regulations). Basically, the education inequality problem changed... For the worse, unfortunately.
When I worked in South Korea, they had the exact same problem there, with the private tutoring centres called "hagwons." It was ridiculous and all the public school teachers knew it was bad, but felt powerless to stop it. I wonder if China's actions have changed any minds in Korea.
You could also send your kid to a private boarding school and they don’t need tutoring because they are at school all the time. My ex-wife attended a private school in Xi’an like that in the early 2000’s. At the same time, those schools were also incredibly abusive to students…
Now days private tutoring in English language is extremely hot in China. Some tutors were paid as high as RMB1000 a month in order to let their child to speak where the parents unable to do so. Even though by the end result the students English level does not gain as high level as they had hope for but at least the child had the opportunity to speak out.
3:14 I actually know a person who’s tutoring people in China from Omaha. In Omaha, there’s this private school called Brownell-Talbot. One of the math teachers spends his summer mornings on video calls to tutor students from all across China due to the timezone difference. He’s now one of the higher-paying teachers in the Omaha region. (He’s also driving a Tesla :/)
US teacher unions lobby to make charter schools as hard as possible to compete, leading to unequal access, keep the old "assign by zones" that affect poorer, and lets not forget that charter schools *get paid by the government per head* meaning, its not a "rich people/poor people" dilemma
Splendid video! This captures the cruelness of China's Educational System. Currently a senior in high school here at China, I accompanied my mother back to China, who believed that due to the great education here I could learn more. Nonetheless, I was quite scared about returning as I had often listened to my cousin's fuss regarding his academic path. Intially, i tried to dismiss those thoughts however just a week was all that took my mental health to being progressively eroding.
Wait- i overlooked one tiny detail; there exist institutions in China that offer a rather standard educational framework. Yet, Most parents opt against enrolling their kids there, for whatever reason I don't understand. The high school i attend alongside my cousin is characterized by a rigorous atmosphere, accompanied by a demanding educational system. However, i believe the pressure would be alleviated if I were to truly grasp the concept of the lessons (I sadly do not for most of the times...😅)
This explains so much to me actually. I'm living in Sydney rn where a large portion (near 20-25%) of the population is ethnically Chinese. So many of the chinese students are asocial, and the private tutoring business here is insanely lucrative. That's quite sad to me that this culture has managed to spread out of china, because i see some many other ethnicities getting involved with this lifestyle too. It really just makes education so pay to win, and it feels like if you dont opt in, you are severely disadvantaged.
@@AutriBanerjee I studied in bhubaneswar, I did not get All India Rank 1 but I scored decent enough to get a good college in bhubaneswar itself. Now I am working in Kolkata and also preparing for my masters. In India skills matter more than college name, even if you are not from IIT you can get a good job.
Found the solution: in Slovenia all universities are free and it is extremly easy to get into them (except for medicine, law and sciences). So even if you are dirt poor you can achieve a good life simply by not giving up🇸🇮
Everyone in Korea and Japan should see this. Education is not an arms race or at least it shouldn't be. Ok, all parents try to give their childreen a good start but that kind of competitiveness kills their childhood. Also when everyone does it your childs "advantage" is gone anyways.
Back in the early 70s my mom and dad both tested the highest from their province. My dad was from a dirt poor village where my littlest uncle was given up because my grandma couldn’t feed him. He met my mom in Peking University and became a Fulbright scholar and one of the 1st dozen or so chinese professors to come to America in the early 80s. I went to a mid-tier school in the US, a complete failure in my parents’ eyes. Also buying your kid into the University of Spoiled Children seems like an oxymoron.
Every time I see a video on the Chinese education system, I remember how fortunate I am to have gone to college and grad school in the States. Far from perfect, but with MUCH less pressure academically
Imagine the stress relief when you fail to get into a good highschool. The grind is over now yiu just have to work in a highly structured maufacturing job or a low wage delivery job for the rest of your life.
I used to live this . School from 7am to 2pm. And break 1 hour. 3-5pm at private tutor class . Go home and 7pm study and do homework till 10pm. At exam season, 12am is the earliest you go to bed. Mostly 1am if you really drill it
To add to that figure of 2% being rural female. In 2018 2 handicapped minority female attended top universities in China. No started attentending, attended at all levels all classes, there 2. In a country of more than 1 billion. 2 handicapped minority female rural students. And if I remember right, they were both from rich families.
May you please calculate and compare the *_proportion_* of handicapped minority female rural people in China as a whole, and the *_proportion_* of handicapped minority female rural students in elite universities, so that I know how to interpret your comment? I'm well aware of discrimination existing; however, it's just that "handicapped minority female rural students" reeks of overspecification to me, since, even in isolation, a small proportion of people are handicapped (most are able-bodied), a small proportion are minorities (if that wasn't the case, they'd be the majority), a small proportion are female (due to the one-child policy's unintended effects), and a small proportion are rural (due to increasing urbanisation). Assuming that these probabilities are independent, the combined proportion would be the product, which would be quite small
@@Anonymous-df8it not my calculations, I am using the data provided by the ministry of education, provided to me by the Bureau of statistics. Got a problem with the numbers then take up with the Chinese government. I would actually really love to help, I can't remember the academic book that made me aware of this, and I have barely slept for 3 days, my bed almost collapsed so it is really squeaky, so I wake up like every hour..... If you are actually interested in this, then it should be relatively easy to find, since these numbers are from within the last 10 years. The book, found them because the university names was displayed in the statistics, so they went there and talked with them. Since they were 2 then it was not that hard, and because of their very specific situation, very easy to find. This is why we are aware of their family wealth.
@@Anonymous-df8it the bureau of statics, they got the numbers. I am too tired to help any further. The Chinese government published the data, got a problem with it, take it up with them
As a Chinese high school I can say that they never “banned” homework, the policy only includes “increase school time”, “cut down the number of homework” and “remove tutoring class”, however, only the first one have been put into practice, our school time have been increased so that we can “finish our homework in school “. Nope, our teachers don’t care adding more homework and more class. The education system is a disaster turning us into mindless machines. You really should do some interview before releasing the video, we are still dying here lol😂 Just please do some interviews.
I'm in Shanghai, my daughter goes to school at 7:30am and ends at 4:30pm, with maybe 1-2 hours worth of homework. Only grade 9 and 12 students spend much more time preparing for high school and college entrance exams respectively. While it does not represent the whole country, nor is it a relaxing schedule, but it's not as bad as it seems. It's like someone who never exercises thinks someone who jogs 5km a day to be an impossible endeavour. Kids in China, or most Asian countries, are already used to this work load, most don't feel overly pressured.
In the UK I used to go from 08:00am to 15:30pm and had 0.5-1.5 hours of homework, and I *did* feel overly pressured. Normal or not, it depends on the kid. I would have had a lot happier childhood with a lot less school. Almost anything useful or valuable I learned came from my own reading, not classwork, assigments, or homework. For me, school was extremely useless at best, and generally harmful to my wellbeing.
@@jopearson6321 I wouldn't say kids in China enjoy classes and homework, but kids with good grades are respected, and you're happy when you're respected. I spent some time in the US and Canada, the classroom atmosphere is different. "Cool" kids are respected instead of good students, probably making kids even less enthusiastic about school. But that's just my 2 cents.
I don't understand what additional stuff you're learning in the extra hours inside of school with fewer holidays than in Western countries. In Ireland, we rank 3rd in educational quality and access in the world. Our schools start from 9am-3pm with maybe 30min homework for ages 12 and below and 8.45am-3.40pm with less than an hour of homework for ages 13-18. If you are in school over 40% longer and have twice the homework, how are you not coming out of school with closer to an undergraduate level of education by the time you high school? Also, what would the point of that be when 1/3 to 1/2 of the class will be working in sectors not requiring so much education anyway.
As a freshman in college who just took the Gaokao, this video was very enlightening for me. Back in middle and high school, our school required us to participate in official after-school services. I didn't understand why they were necessary at the time, but now I see that they are a means to address the educational gap caused by economic disparities.
American Charter schools never even pretended to be a path to equality. The problem in both countries is the huge wealth disparity that goes to highly educated workers, you know the ACTUAL inequality itself that neither side is addressing. Meritocratic inequality is fundementally no better then Meritless Inequality, but both systems are invested in proping up the perception of Merit rather then reducing inequality.
I have to say your channel has one of the most insightful and factual analysis of Chinese gov's policy and especially the motivation behind the policies and regulations.
Simple yet striking conclusion spanning most of the Polymatter videos: the Chinese government is ineffective or in other words has the same unintended consequences problem as any other government trying to promote a certain policy
It is partially correct but not the whole truth. The Chinese government indeed did a good job in boosting the EV and solar/wind engergy industry and many other tech field.
of course, as a spinoff of some CCP affiliated think tank, what could he say other than "The Chinese gov failed same as the West." Why not simply say the Chinese govt failed in anything but brutally exploiting their populace for decades on end? No need to say anything about the West as well ...
@@leoliu5017 when did they do that? 😂 when they subsidized making EVs leading to acres and acres of rotting EVs in land fills or the rental bikes and scooters with the same issue.
So if capitalism has produced austerity... And Chinese communism is producing austerity.... What is the dialectic that will actually lead to prosperity? I would argue that what Chinese communism and western capitalism hold in common is an hierarchical, centralized government. Perhaps what we need to do, then, is pursue horizontal rather than vertical power structures: eliminate hierarchy, eliminate concentrated power, broadly distribute resources, divest away from businesses and nations that refuse to do so, and focus on building happiness and well-being rather than gross domestic product.
There is now an AI race between countries. People working in AI can earn LOTS of money and buy houses and cars. Lots of people want a job in the AI industry. Universities capitalize on this and offer courses in AI. Schools capitalize on this and offer courses for students to get into universities that teach AI. Parents capitalise on this and force their children to study long hours to get into schools that will get them to universities that teach them about AI to get a job in the AI industry. Rich parents will have a leg up against poor peasant parents in getting their children to universities that teach them about AI to get a job in the AI industry.
When I was in hogh school, we had a chinese exchange student. In the yearbook, they dedicated a whole page to her. When asked what she liked most about school in America, she said she liked the short school day. Its sad how much time kids in china have to spend in school. Theres very little joy for them there.
The problem is standardized tests require to learn completely useless knowledges. Nobody needs to solve quadrable equations when they are actually working. Meritocracy can be beneficial if it encourages people to learn actually useful knowledges like electrician, plumbing, medicine, statistic etc... It's complete waste of time to train high school kids to solve convolved plane geometry problems to pass extremely competitive entrance exams, which are difficult to pass even for math under-graduate students. Such kids can learn actually relevant and important math like liner algebra instead of grinding their skill to solve math-flavored convolved puzzles asked by entrance exams.
"electrician, plumbing..." Yeah, China will NEVER lift the trades to the same level as education-regardless of pay or the societal holes they are apparently adamant to continue digging. Those time-held Confucian values and their own country's history have cemented in the minds of the Chinese people that the trades, skilled or otherwise, are for failures and those who couldn't hack academia (pun not intended). Any attempt by their government to do so is ASKING for even worse chaos than is already happening
My point is, not everyone needs to learn math, just like not everyone needs to learn plumbing. If a high school student decided to learn math, then that person should learn useful math fields like linear algebra, real analysis or group theory, rather than fake toy "math" taught in high school curriculums.
Hey Hey!, Engineer here, knowing how to solve quadratic equations is essential to solving most heat flow problems. Also certain types of optimization problems involving areas, and some types of controls problems too. So yes, for a certain type of worker you really do need to know how to solve them.
Inequality disguised as equality; this quote from your video summarized the whole drama in the educational system of both countries. Thanks for your AWESOME analysis and insights
@DelusiondoesUA-cam he think Taiwan is like the west. But ironically, Taiwan's education system is the same as China, but with less talent as the end product.
@@GIN.356.A “like the west”. Why would I or anyone that are not dumb or oblivious to the geo-political issue compare Taiwan with the west? The west average IQ is comparable to the room temperature in Fahrenheit. Pull any survey you want and Taiwan tops the rank or at least sitting in top 5. Sure the west have all the prestigious universities, but the average joe IQ in the west is incomparable to the IQ of average Joes in Taiwan. There’s a multitude of reason why TSMC’s foundries can’t be rolled out to other country to de-risk themselves of probabilities of war, the one glaring issue is that it require a pool of Human Resources that are smart enough to run a sub 3nm foundries. Guess what? There’s a limited pool of suitable engineers capable of operating elsewhere outside of a tiny island called Taiwan, including the west. Now China is a c-tier dystopian country.
@@musemellow it's just so funny you say that because most if not all of those Taiwanese elites have American passports lol TSMC is not special at all. It was allowed to exist. It can be replaced, it would just take a bit of time is all. Japan was the semi conductor king before, Toshiba was where TSMC was at one time. Look where it is now. It's so funny you bring up IQ as if it means something. Taiwan with a meager population of 24million , has an avg IQ of 106, and "c-tier dystopia" China with 1.4 Billion has an avg IQ of 104. So either it's a fake stat that means absolutely nothing, or you are just admitting despite having 70 times less people, Taiwan is about as smart as China on avg still 😂😂😂 Tell you what, if China invades, and it doesn't look like China can be defeated decisively, it's very possible that the west will just negotiate to 1. Have the technology transferred out of Taiwan so it can be onshored by Intel for example. 2. have China produce older semi conductors instead, with bigger production capacity and less cost. Taiwan will just be handed over. So relax lol you guys exist because you are allowed to by the grace of the mighty United States, you don't belong on the big boy table. Or any table at all for that matter, except as a bargaining chip. A bit of realpolitik for you 😂
I didn't expect an established UA-cam channel like Polymatter stooping this low. I knew already China had banned the private tuition industry, I thought they genuinely banned homework based on the title. Just clickbait. This is the kind of quality one can find on Nebula?
The same parallel system of tutoring exists in India also, although it is not as severe as China. Admittedly I have also been a 'beneficiary' of this tutoring system, when I prepared for my engineering entrance exams. From my own personal experience, one big source of this messed up system is the disconnect between the quality of education imparted at schools from the quality which gets you to score high in the entrance exams. India also has many different state education boards, education quality in one state or province is not similar to that in some others, yet students from all states want to compete in the same entrance exams. This creates an incentive for the tutoring industry to prevail, creating an 'arms race'. I also agree there is no perfect solution for this problem. But maybe a starting point could be to improve and standardize school education so that everyone gets an 'equal' opportunity to get the best education. Although standardizing education this way may later create its own problems like too much resources being gobbled up by few streams like science and engineering...oh wait that problem is already there.
01:30 The Chinese system sounds like heaven, here in the Netherlands the education system decides your future at age 11, and if you went to a slecial school teachers can ignore your scores and place you lower if they personally hate you.
Based. Even now in my 30s i remember highschool as the worst, most stressful part of my life. In no small part because i was too poor to take on tutoring.
Born to be a Drone, Taught to be a drone, Thought restricted to be that of an approved Drone, educated to be a wage slave drone, and expected to pop more Drones before you die, after your use as a Drone is done, you die. Are you evil enough to do this to a new life that didn't consent to be born into this world ?
@@aturchomicz821 That is why Parents should be held accountable or sued for bringing new life into this world without consent, to bring a life capable of pain and suffering into a world of suffering. Too bad this will never happen.
@@i-jl3tr Precisely, that is why Parents should not be seen as the hero that society conditions us to believe they are. They have bought a life into wage slavery without consent. They should be put on trial.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Polymatter overlooked a crucial issue: the limited availability of high-paying jobs that prestigious universities aim to provide. Given the few available positions and the overwhelming demand, this imbalance is a core problem. Additionally, the government seems to lack strategies to increase these jobs, given its tight control over the economy. 4
There is of course the third way, which is to cancel all exams until uni, like how Finland does it. But of course Finland is one of the most egalitarian places, for example, no one is homeless in Finland, because housing is a human right there. And the pressure of no good uni, no housing and no marriage does not exist. So I suspect you can't have the best education system in the world without also having a comprehensive welfare state.
12:30 schools with poorer students get much more funding public funding in the US even when compared to wealthier student bodies across the same district, you’re talking out of your ass
I used to lived and worked in Hong Kong and Shenzhen for a decade. What I learned about the tutoring business is shocking. It was a scam cooked up by then president Jiang Zemin and his mistress, who was also the minister of education. The idea was simple. Forced chinese family to start spending their massive household savings. The first reason for this was, banks were losing money because there were more savers than borrowers. Second, because of the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, which put china on every Western shit list. Jiang had to come up with a way to buy off the corrupt party members to save himself. “To make party members rich” is an exact quote from him, and the tutoring schools scam was the start. The profits from the industry financed many chinese tech startups in the early 2000s. Xi Jinpig did not shut down the tutoring industry out of cares for the children, it was the roots of all the corruption, and the startups funded by the money from the tutoring industry got way too powerful, and it became a threat to Xi Jinpig power. There are no hero in this fight, only lesser of two evils.
It would be interesting to see a video on what the USA could learn and adopt from China and vice versa that could help our two countries address the problems we are both facing.
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Are you critising One-Child Policy？ You demon!!!!! Without this policy, my parents would have given birth to tens of children, just like their parents. And they wouldn't have treasured the kids as they should have. Do you mean the kids are not fully-human, they cannot share any human rights?!!
Well.. i still have students complaining about their homework during weekends...
6 sets of homework per subject.
Could the Double-reduction Act be treated with the 50-50 policy for separating half of the junior middle school students into senior middle school and leaving the rest half in technical schools? Such a combination may be a better way to provide an angle for educational reform in China.
The EUccp says: THIS IS GREAT!
WE MUST HAVE THIS AND THE SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE SYSTEM IN THE WEST TOO!
"Why China Banned Private Tutoring" would be a better title bud
All about the views, not about the accuracy
Clickbait funding
DeArrow >>>
Use DeArrow extension, it actually changes the title to that.
Polymatter's ending message and titles are always retarded
clickbait title, should be "Why China Banned Private Tutoring"
Yup, and I disagree with him, that no shit the rich can always do what they want to get around the rules.
What's changed is that now the lower and middle class can't easily access private tutoring, then most people don't do it and just depend on the school system instead, which still frees up time for many many students once it's no longer the norm, which is the case now.
As if this problem is only solved once the rich can't do it either, lmao.
idk, as a former student, private tutoring is basically the same as homework in my eyes. both were compulsory.
@@zumabbarAre you f**king serious? Homework left by teachers in school and voluntary private tutoring chosen by parents and students are the same thing? What did your school teach you? Bet you were the type of student no one would want to admit ever had taught you.
@@zumabbar
well now the students are left with (and I am not kidding), several feet of homework that must be done without assistance. At least the tutors could improve its effectiveness and not leave people drowning in work.
The Taiping Rebellion was started by a guy who had a nervous breakdown after he failed the standardized imperial examination thrice and caused him to go insane and see visions and proclaim himself to be Jesus Christ's brother that would result in 20-30 million deaths.
The true reason they are banning homework 😂
It is a story not many people outside of China know about.
@@Novusod The Taiping Rebellion is literally on wikipedia bruh...
@@Novusod legit taught in my AMERICAN history class
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Not many people have the initiative or the drive to look up things themselves.
I lived and taught in China for ten years and came face to face with the harrowing reality of the Chinese education system. The Children of China spend so much time in stressful, ultra-competitive education they end up having no real childhood and for what? The opportunity to fight for an ever dimminishing pool of work where they have to work long hours for low pay.
East Asia's weird problem and similarity
This also resulted in the ones that survived and succeeded being super competent.
Yes, and now imagine what happens to those who didn't put enough effort studying. Even worse job market for them. Apply your western values somewhere else. Not the same sociocultural situation at all.
@@astroch No the unemployment issue is for the university graduates. There are 50 million jobs that university graduates don't want to apply for. It's a mismatch between supply and demand. Too many kids want to goto university and at the end there's no work for them.
I think Japan and Korea have similar problems tho i don't think their as bad as China but its still not good
As a teacher in China, lots of this info is true. The double reduction act back in 2021 wrecked havoc on training centers everywhere in the country, and many tutors I know have had to go into hiding or stop their group classes altogether. However, homework hasn't been "banned", just reduced, but it depends how many extracurricular activities you still enroll your kid in after school. If they don't have many others, then this helps the students have a bit more free time during the week. The policy also actually helps teachers like myself have a more free schedule on the weekends, so I personally see it as a win-win.
@Booz2020 bruh they have to same problem as china. Over competitive
@Booz2020sg creates book smart people with ZERO EQ. Look at ministers and civil servants who are supposedly scholars.
Definitely not a win win. It’s a win lose.
@Booz2020pretty sure you're thinking of Finland
@Booz2020 Finland*
Worst part is that these students go at break neck speed through school only to fall off a cliff after they graduate with lack of work opportunities that fits their education achievements
全都是虚假，夸大的虚假信息，我们中国人生活的十分开心，管好你们自己的生活，不要对我们中国人的幸福，快乐生活指手画脚
@@sanzhang-tx1zmok, Chang 👍
@@sanzhang-tx1zm bot
@@sanzhang-tx1zm We need China insiders from actual citizens to clarify or people will believe this video, not just 1 or 2 person saying it
@@sanzhang-tx1zm I agree, west is always jealous and depressed
The saddest part is that students comimg from these 20hour/day nightmares to a finnish university are still quite average, i.e. all this force-feeding of information is gloriously wasteful (and, arguably, even harmful to their capacity to learn efficiently).
Yeah it's like they forgot about the concept of diminishing returns and humans are not robots
@@Makalon102 Couldn't have said it better
The average student is, but the system also produces some of the most proficient people in the world. You just won't see them in Finland. Some will be in China, in places like Tsinghua, while others will emigrate to the US - where they're everywhere in its tech industry. In fact the ones going to non-aspirational foreign placements - which I'm sorry to say Finland is one of them - are precisely those who're trying to escape the system of cutthroat competition. They are, by definition, either not able or not willing to compete. The best of them don't go to Finland, they go to the US. And not to your average US university either, but to the Ivies.
@ArawnOfAnnwn uninformed
@@ArawnOfAnnwn the fancy US/UK university will clearly always attract the most ambitious from the richest families, but not necessarily the brightest, since not everyone can afford the tuition fees in the US. People that land in Finland or similar EU places with lower tuition fees are clearly not the dumbest bunch (they mostly come here with bachelor's from some of the top universities in China), and their families clearly have the funds to finance their stay in Europe (so they had the funds to invest into their education throughout). If the system actually deposited knowledge in proportion to study time invested, I'd expect all graduates of Chinese unis to be top 1% of every class in Finland, and in my years of teaching this has never happened.
I sat in for a friend to teach an English class. To help the post high school kids converse. I asked them to tell a story from their childhood. None of them could. They were all nice kids, and bright and intelligent. But it was like they had no memories of their childhood.
an entire nation of michael jacksons lol
They hadn't be made to consider their own narrative. For them, memory involved learning facts or propaganda. How absolutely abusive and tragic.
That's a problem with China's English classes that's been there for decades: rote memorization is stressed over flexibility in usage of language. How do Chinese kids determine who amongst themselves is "better" at English? By the number of vocab words each kid claims to know. I've worked with a few people from China who learned English in school, and one of the biggest challenges is shifting their way of thinking away from "I need to learn more words."
Now, to be fair, the classroom is not the most effective way of learning how to _use_ a language. It's good for building vocabulary and understanding language structure, but _use_ of language requires...well, actually going out and using it. Think of how many high school students in the US take foreign language classes in order to graduate. How many of those kids are actually fluent in those languages they took?
@@ZhangtheGreat Boy did I ever hate French in Junior High School. There definitely is that side of the coin. I put English for Chinese speakers, and Chinese for English speakers at pretty much the same difficulty level. The main difficulty being there is essentially nothing in common. The battle is forever uphill. Unlike studying French or Spanish for English speakers where once you get deeper into it, you gain a richer understanding for both languages given the ancient connections.
You are totally right about inside the classroom and outside the classroom. Given the whole dynamics and profound difficulty of it all, I do think the Chinese do exceedingly well with English. Especially when compared to how well English speakers do with Chinese. Like all things, there are plusses and minuses.
They absolutely did not ban homework.
Thanks for playing along with my engagement game, folks.
I was coming here to comment that they never actually addressed their title. That’s a dislike for me
@@Rush2kvideos tell me you’re an American without telling me you’re an American
What is your source? Do you live in China?
They just didn't show that it IS abolished. @@vxer
@@Rush2kvideos youtube only cares for engagement. You should've done nothing instead.
This is not quite accurate - Homework is definitely not banned in China.
It's been "banned" for the lower grade levels, say 1-3, however... The children are still expected to know the same material for tests and parents still have massive anxiety due to the insane competition. So the result of this is parents have taken on more responsibility and still have their kids study and do homework at home. Effectively, nothing has changed and if anything has burdened parents more
Did you even watch the video? It's not homework that was banned it was private tutoring, despite the provocative title.
@@quinnstanley5930 Then change it
The title is clickbait to get people to watch a video about a more complicated problem that doesn't have a simple solution.
@@quinnstanley5930 My comment is in response to the title. Its not my fault if its misleading, its theirs
@@valetudo1569 yea polymatter always has these awful clickbait titles that actually make them look less professional and more like a content slop clown. no idea why they do that, i guess the metrics still favor it
If u have 14 hour schools ,do u also need homeworK????
Yes, the learning doesn’t stop outside of the walls of the classroom. If you have to ask that you’re lazy.
@@shatterscape LMAO, found the Chinese propaganda bot
Typically the last two hours will be a self-study session where you do your homeworks.
@@shatterscape First, that is not "learning", that's just memorizing shit.
Second, if you'd have to go to school for 14 hours and do homework, you would get crushed.
Now get out of your mom's basement and learn to have some fucking sympathy.
@@marceldiezasch6192 Focus on your own country, in 2 years your women will have to cover themselves.
One of the top reasons I’ve heard why over achieving (and rich) parents for East Asia immigrate to the west is so that their children don’t need to go through the same thing even though they went through the same system and became successful.
these people have good empathy
@@BigBoss-sm9xj or they just have a different survival instinct. I've read and observed that East Asian education systems are so cutthroat that it's not unheard of for kids who crack under the sheer weight of expectations and competition to self-delete. Combined with the Big Brother that is the CCP, any parent who wants their family line to have the most remote possibility of growing up and succeeding under a government that DOESN'T watch them while they sleep (and can afford the journey) would act accordingly.
Funny thing is many Canadians/Australians etc would argue the same people cause same issues in their country, huge part of insane real estate prices in the west has been driven by wealthy Chinese people buying up entire portfolios of real estate, not just to live in but for rental income for when they & their kids move. Even in the UK it's got to point Hong kong private equity now buys up houses in deprived areas of the country to seek rental yield as they've priced themselves out of big cities like London. I lived in a new apartment block & all my friends had different landlords who just moved to the UK living off rental income, hardly productive/healthy. Those same kids push other kids out of top schools & jobs whilst creating an insane unaffordable housing bubble. It's all one big circle in the end.
@@d.b.cooper1 As a chinese student who willing to immigrate to developed countries, I would say the fact you are talking about are quite common, where there are chinese(include taiwennese), threre is real estate bubble, it's not only bothered you commen indigenous people, same for a poor international student who are seeking for a rental house with reasonable price. It's not a exotic issue but a classic, they are just landlord, same thing going on in china as well, just by domestic landlord rather than exotic.
@@enibels5765 All I'd say is...The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Makes more sense for people from poor countries, but China/Taiwan etc are fairly developed, unless you're from the lowest class in the rural area. A lot of Western countries are at breaking point when it comes to immigration politically, the future does not look good for immigrants or children of migrants, many want them deported & generally racism is back on the rise across society. Just some things to consider.
1:27 This is eerily similar situation to the one in India. The tuitions in my area have batches of 600-700 students each, being taught by a single professor.
India is worse. Despite the tuitions, most kids end up unskilled and unemployable
Isn't it?😢 Same in Asian countries it seems😅
@@parveezalam3748 Iran too.
The South Asian experience.
@@trndsttr7585 Average day in South Asia entails - living in the most polluted cities on planet earth, working hours borderline illegal in the west, being stuck in chaotic traffic and attending grewling tutoring classes. To top it all off you are to thank your country to be living here.
As a poor student who is facing gaokao in China, I actually exercise my English in these videos, so horror that you can imagine. I also watch major American magazines due to whose papers occur on the test. In fact, Private Tutoring is always worse than self-learning and makes people hate studying, which can't arouse students' interest. Homework is more and more for me because I need to buy. it's lol
It's similar to Japanese/Korean mentality. Spend 100 hours a week on your job/school. Be very unproductive in that 100 hours.
It's part of a "Saving Face" culture where you prioritize the look of hard work over actual productivity.
Make someone in the west glad they got educated in the west even it problems
As if Americans and Europeans are more "productive" in those 100 hours!
@@studyonline4763 US's gdp per capita is 76,000$, China is 12,720$, thus Americans are 5 times more productive than the Chinese
@@studyonline4763I mean, if you measure it by GDP per Capita, then yes, most of the west is nearly twice as productive per hour as Korea and Japan for instance.
@@studyonline4763You are missing the point. Your efficiency, so how much you get done per amount of time significantly decreases with longer working/studying time. Japan is infamous for its workers working long hours but at the same time being extremely inefficient compared to other developed economies. Because if you're spending 10+ hours a day in the office you won't be particularly mentally fit at the end of it. Of course, this also means that if you work less you'll usually be more efficient, although that isn't always the case as coordination and other factors are also at play. But generally, someone working for 4h a day will get more than half done what he'd achieve in 8h, but of course only working 4h a day would probably be underutilizing a worker.
For physical activities you obviously get tired after some time, but people often underestimate how tired your mind gets after hours of at least somewhat challenging work. Because of that, studying 12h a day for a prolonged period of time is not only quite unhealthy but pretty inefficient.
But obviously these types of consideration don't matter if studying more could allow you to get a white collar job in a country where blue collar jobs are paid extremely poorly and have terrible working conditions. Sooner or later the pay for these types of jobs will naturally increase as less and less people are willing to do them, but for now China still has more than enough people willing to do these jobs. Additionally, China has artificially kept domestic demand low and its still rather static economic model is currently too slow to adapt, which causes the big discrepancy between industries demand for low skilled workers and the oversupply of educated graduates.
Leave it to polymatter to mess up every single graph label and axes in his videos. The work schedule at the start almost gave me an aneurysm, completely randomly switching between AM and PM throughout the whole thing.
He didnt do his homework
@@SilentTraveller21 (He couldn't do it because it got banned)
I'm convinced he does it on purpose because it boosts his engagement via comments like ours
I mean it is supposed to switch, but the graph is still a flustercluck
The graph is shit but the only incorrect part about it is the last PM should've been an AM? There's nothing random about it it's just a really annoying to read graphic
Waiting for the video to mention homework
Didn’t mention once
@Flyerman777 2:30 Yes title is clickbait but it was mentioned once.
Evidence is mounting on Chinese social media that the girl cheated with her teacher to get to 12th place. Although there is currently no response from the organizer, the combination of various clues makes it difficult for people to believe in her math ability. So I guess our education system is still OK.
·Following is my original comment·
Our education system is a joke. The most recent case is a girl named Jiang Ping from Jiangsu province, she failed to get into high school because of bad grades, instead she's studying dressmaking in a technical school. But she successfully won the 12th place in an advanced math competition held by alibaba, many of her defeated opponents are from very famous university, even some are PhD.
Based on what you described, it seems that your education system successfully offers this girl the opportunity to develop her talents in math instead of forcing her to put all her time into dressmaking.
@@zikunhu9845 did you miss the part where she had to study dressmaking because she couldn't get into the 'good' schools?
@@zikunhu9845 right over your head holy crap. Reread it and try again
sounds more like an inspirational story for hopes (& copes), consider she is a rare case that succeeded outside of the pay-to-win educational system
which doesnt account for most people who failed to achieve so, as usual
@@BeedrillYanyandid u miss the part where she self study math as a hobby?
20% percent youth unemployment is very optimistic, given that they stopped collecting the data
All Chinese parents literally want their kids to be Professors. Their system literally looks down on any form of manual labour, be it electrician, mechanic, plumber. They'd do better creating "opportunity" rather than a "prestige" system.
Valid point, but don't go all the way in the opposite direction and create a system that instead looks down on teachers, as is the case in America
We need electricians, non-electrician electrical technicians, plumbers, mechanics, and others to build and maintain the works of engineers. Some jobs are suited to "do it yourself", sure, but not all. You can build your own PC and change your wiper fluid and maybe brakes if you're patient, but can you safely install a breaker box?
china is already in a great shape what make you think you would be smarter than chinese policy maker?
It's an East Asian thing, not a communist thing@@Gabor-y3h
@@Kyle-kyle Living there and seeing for myself, you CCP card carrying schill. Explain Tofu buildings and the collapsing banking system.
In India we call the private tutoring industry as coaching industry and it has massive amounts of money and influence.
Finland: What about if we make all private schools public and fund them all equally.
Polymatter: Okay everyone BUT Finland can't do education right.
Like the fundamental thing this video misses is that regardless of if you tackle the problem of wealth directly or indirectly you are still going to fight the wealthy. Be it ending private tutors OR taxing the rich more to put more funding in poorer schools, the fight is no different.
The rich will oppose any decrease to their advantage, be it educationally, privligely or moneyly.
Ikr? China seems to have done fairly well here. The super wealthy can nearly always buy their way out. The private tutoring law levelled the playing field and made the lives of kids better for everyone else.
Did they praise finland education system in one of their videos ?
Sadly Finland has been semi-privatising some of its public universities in recent years. Apparently they now make more money (since that's what a school is supposed to do?) but a lot of great professors and teachers in addition to regular faculty members have been fired. For example my university (or at least my field in that school) removed the role of student councelor entirely. Pretty much saddled the teachers with the added duties of guiding students on how to plan and choose their curriculum to be able to even be enrolled in the right classes.
I teach in China at an international school and, due to the high tuition, only students from wealthy families can attend. Overall, these kids are horribly behind the students I had at grossly underfunded schools in the US in terms of thinking skills, independence, and desire to learn (grades are the only motivator). At the same time, they will be able to attend universities in the West because they've attended a prestigious English-speaking school; it perpetuates the inequalities mentioned in the video.
By your description, you could be a teacher at my son's school. He says there is so much cheating by the Chinese kids because they just need the grades, and they lack of the kind of knowledge that he takes for granted. And he says they sleep in class and study when they get out of school.
If they are horrible behind, how can then they attend university as opposed to those of who attend underfunded schools in the US? Does not make much sense.
@@巫轟 It's very easy to get into universities when you have the means to build an incredible application packet.
So these international schools are a waste of time? Do any of these thick kids go to the top Chinese universities? Or do they just pay full fees to fund UK universities regardless of their grades?
@@巫轟 fees for international students are significantly higher than local students to the point where some universities rely on international students paying exorbitant amounts to fund the school
Excellent video. I was an English language teacher who was let go because of China's new law. I now teach science at my local high school, but I'm still certified to teach English as a second language. Everything you mentioned was spot-on: kids being so overworked from studying, for-profit tutoring companies making billions, the Gaokao, and the financial pressures on adults that made them decide to remain childless, etc...
I loved my job, but I hope the kiddos are doing better.
Also, thank you for adding the comparison of American collages and universities.
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Answer: There was no time slots left for homework
Also, it's all a lie. Even ifyou somehow manage to get a good job (which you most likely won't), you still can't afford a house.
The house price in Shanghai, beijing and Shenzhen where good job exist is crazy. People in US and EU have no idea how crazy the afforablity issue is in China.
@@leoliu5017 I mean, a lot of places in the US literally have rentals and housing prices many times the median wage. Even if you have a higher income, you are generally stuck renting in a lot of cities. Homelessness is exploding in every town and city you come across here. It's a mess everywhere in the world, and probably for similar reasons.
Meanwhile, the already well-off from birth (or, really, their families) are gaming the system or leaving China to avoid it altogether. Tale as old as time
@@butterfish-g9f In China the rent is kind of ok, house price just went crazy. The townhouse in rural Shanghai when I try to buy is 2k usd per sqrt meter, now it is 10K, per sqrt meter. That is 5 times jump in less than 10 years from a already not cheap price for the local income.
@@leoliu5017 Well at least the rental market is still stable over there. I wouldn't be surprised if that blows up like in the US too. I don't know what can be done to stop this, but something has to give.
It's even worse in Korea. One of my Korean friends took his life in 2019 due to exam stress. Granted, he was struggling mentally, but the ultra competitive nature of East Asian education needs stopping.
It's built into the culture.Like it or not the western countries are far superior in taking care of their own people than any of those rich Asian countries.
Asian cultures are designed to kill people not grow or develop them.unfortunately
I am a bit not sure what happened when literally in the first second Polymatter went "wake up at 5.30 in the morning" but the graphic shows 4.30am. Was that wrong or did I get it wrong? XD
lol - that's your takeaway from this video and "what happened" moment?
@@RubzNotNice Congrats, you missed the point of this comment.
@@cavemann_ when you frame it like that, yes I missed the point lol.
Touché @Hanakooh
Stuff Changed.
The East has Fallen 😭😨
@@RubzNotNice The point is that PM is sloppy. He makes mistakes in his graphs as well, and the title of this video is clickbait.
I grew up in a small town and had a happy childhood. Went to school from 8.00 till 1.30
I did have homework but always had time to go around biking with friends, playing in the forests, etc.
Makes me sad to think of a kid growing in a big city focusing on school from sunrise to sunset..
Life is so short, no kid should have to go through that..
The saddest realisation is that this is a reality of most children of the modern world. Not just the Chinese.
Yeah even in the U.S. school is pretty competitive(at least in my state)
@@JoseonBall Nowhere in the US even comes close (and you should feel lucky)
@@hwg5039 I know I’m just saying that it has gotten more competitive than it used to be
nah bro not at all in spain it is now almost impossible to fail
@@hwg5039feeder and magnet schools
Government laws often have the opposite effect from their intent, especially when they go against popular demand. In response to the oil crisis, the US government passed the CAFE rules that said that cars must average a certain mileage per gallon. But SUVs were exempt, because they were “light trucks.” Result: station wagons disappeared and gas guzzling SUVs took over. Car manufacturers met the CAFE standards, gas guzzlers took over, and gasoline usage went up.
I'd argue "lobbying", sometimes better known as bribery, did the trick, rather than popular demand. There was a reason SUVs were an exception. An exception which should never have happened.
The obvious flaw was not simply using the high gas taxes of Europe, the CAFE system was designed to fail, not a failure of design. This idea that regulation backfiring is from the same people who activly did the designing to fail in the first place so they can argue for no regulation.
The Law of Unintended Consequences in action.
@@SpaceJawa in this case it was very, very much intended by the car industry lobbyists to make more money selling SUV's. It was just masked as an unintended consequence.
The cobra effect...
1:00 when i predicted this outcome in our modern education system (regular schmuks "needing" to spend ungodly amounts of time & stretches studying JUST to be 'normal' & qualify for jobs that should not require those degrees)
i was called insane. "it won't ever get that bad." they all said.
Equal parts horrified and happy to have learned this year that my prediction now holds true (without any debate) in China and India.
And while my 'haters' might say "ha! that's not here! you lose!" I'd like to point out they make up about 2-3 BILLION people.
That's rougly speaking at least a quarter of all humanity where my prediction already holds true..
But sure keep pretending it's not a problem that needs fixing.
Can't wait for the world where your McDonalds staff is mostly made up of college gradu-... oh wait.
:)
Inmate 1: I’m in for mu*der and robbery. I’m in for life. What about you?
Inmate 2: I got a life sentence too. I was teaching algebra in a cafe.
nice wetdreams you are having
False, who said they could talk to each other , to the Tiger Chair!
based
There is nothing more important than a good/normal childhood in the development of a human being. It literally shapes who we become as adults, from our temperaments to our creativity. You can be very book smart in Asias system but socially incompetent and lack innovation.
A country isn't run on innovation though. If your country had a billion people, would you rather have most of them be competent at what they do in their day to day jobs at the cost of innovation or have 0.01% create successful businesses while the rest of the population can't even find their own country on a map like america.
But if you want to dominate the world then the latter is clearly the ans.Freedom for all encourages meritocracy.
The whole intro is a good description of “path dependence”, where previous decisions and events forever lock you into an ever narrowing path of potential and opportunity.
These tutoring agencies completely destroyed Hong Kong’s education system. Teacher did halfassed work during the day in schools and sold sample test paper at night to the same students for pay. Absolute travesty.
As someone who go through the GaoKao grinding, it is surprising to see how deep your insight for the whole issue are. And even great you try to find the root cause and Chinese government mentality and you touched same issue in USA. Bravo for the great work and hope you can continue even deeper! Thank you!
Hustle culture (with Chinese characteristics)
Ah i see someone is a China Insights veiwer!
@@JemieBridges huh?
I used to work as one of the English tutors before and at the start of the pandemic in Shanghai. As one of the most expensive cities in China, raising a child there can become extremely expensive, which became one of the reasons why adults refused to have more than one or sometimes two children. The dismantling of the tutoring sector as came right after the Three-Child policy was introduced, which left many of the parents with the opinion "If you can have a child because it's too expensive, then we [the government] will remove the things for you to spend the money on."
Somehow this education system is very similar with what is happening in Indonesia right now. The annual Gaokao, the rise of private offline and online tutoring (called bimbel), and the prestige of being accepted to top 3 or 10 national universities…
As a Chinese, I can confirm private tutoring(课外班) is back, except this time they either require you to be online(which is bad for your eyes), or becomes more expensive(to evade regulations). Basically, the education inequality problem changed... For the worse, unfortunately.
@8:54 look at the kid in the middle. His shirt says "Just it", the do is missing. That's how it is. No life, just grind.
When I worked in South Korea, they had the exact same problem there, with the private tutoring centres called "hagwons." It was ridiculous and all the public school teachers knew it was bad, but felt powerless to stop it. I wonder if China's actions have changed any minds in Korea.
You could also send your kid to a private boarding school and they don’t need tutoring because they are at school all the time. My ex-wife attended a private school in Xi’an like that in the early 2000’s. At the same time, those schools were also incredibly abusive to students…
Now days private tutoring in English language is extremely hot in China. Some tutors were paid as high as RMB1000 a month in order to let their child to speak where the parents unable to do so. Even though by the end result the students English level does not gain as high level as they had hope for but at least the child had the opportunity to speak out.
3:14 I actually know a person who’s tutoring people in China from Omaha.
In Omaha, there’s this private school called Brownell-Talbot. One of the math teachers spends his summer mornings on video calls to tutor students from all across China due to the timezone difference. He’s now one of the higher-paying teachers in the Omaha region. (He’s also driving a Tesla :/)
Not Nigeria catching another stray
US teacher unions lobby to make charter schools as hard as possible to compete, leading to unequal access, keep the old "assign by zones" that affect poorer, and lets not forget that charter schools *get paid by the government per head* meaning, its not a "rich people/poor people" dilemma
My wife said she used to be so exhausted from school and studying that her mom would brush her teeth for her every night at midnight.
Splendid video! This captures the cruelness of China's Educational System. Currently a senior in high school here at China, I accompanied my mother back to China, who believed that due to the great education here I could learn more. Nonetheless, I was quite scared about returning as I had often listened to my cousin's fuss regarding his academic path. Intially, i tried to dismiss those thoughts however just a week was all that took my mental health to being progressively eroding.
Wait- i overlooked one tiny detail; there exist institutions in China that offer a rather standard educational framework. Yet, Most parents opt against enrolling their kids there, for whatever reason I don't understand.
The high school i attend alongside my cousin is characterized by a rigorous atmosphere, accompanied by a demanding educational system.
However, i believe the pressure would be alleviated if I were to truly grasp the concept of the lessons (I sadly do not for most of the times...😅)
imagine a drug bust but instead of guns money and cocaine it’s math books
This explains so much to me actually. I'm living in Sydney rn where a large portion (near 20-25%) of the population is ethnically Chinese. So many of the chinese students are asocial, and the private tutoring business here is insanely lucrative. That's quite sad to me that this culture has managed to spread out of china, because i see some many other ethnicities getting involved with this lifestyle too. It really just makes education so pay to win, and it feels like if you dont opt in, you are severely disadvantaged.
This is not childhood, this is hell.
In India its also competitive but China is freaking on a different level.
come to kota, we have the exact same system is india, it's not any better
@@AutriBanerjee I studied in bhubaneswar, I did not get All India Rank 1 but I scored decent enough to get a good college in bhubaneswar itself. Now I am working in Kolkata and also preparing for my masters.
In India skills matter more than college name, even if you are not from IIT you can get a good job.
Yes mate. As a Chinese, competitive environment and lack of job opportunities are also driving us to study abroad
Wow you really outdone yourself with the amount of information in this video 🎉🎉🎉🎉
19:10 who the hell was impress by a policy of forced abortion and high rates of female infanticide????
Antinatalists and effilists are the ones impressed by it
Not just impressed, envious. You gotta be a literal psycho for that.
Democrats and abortion advocates
@@AlexxAmadeo It was evil policy but was necessary at the time.
@@testacals Why?
Found the solution: in Slovenia all universities are free and it is extremly easy to get into them (except for medicine, law and sciences). So even if you are dirt poor you can achieve a good life simply by not giving up🇸🇮
Great countries ❤ who cares about students
Unlike mine 😢
I'm watching this video while doing my homework
thinking about it, maybe I should turn off UA-cam and get back to work....
Don't do it he needs your watch time
Yes but never buy Nebula membership. It's a scam. Even worse than youtube@@yZiv_
There should be free, high quality classes for standardized tests, that's how you reduce inequality.
8:32 I absolutely love this guy's swag face for no reason
Everyone in Korea and Japan should see this. Education is not an arms race or at least it shouldn't be. Ok, all parents try to give their childreen a good start but that kind of competitiveness kills their childhood. Also when everyone does it your childs "advantage" is gone anyways.
Same in India but there is lot of homework additional
Back in the early 70s my mom and dad both tested the highest from their province. My dad was from a dirt poor village where my littlest uncle was given up because my grandma couldn’t feed him. He met my mom in Peking University and became a Fulbright scholar and one of the 1st dozen or so chinese professors to come to America in the early 80s. I went to a mid-tier school in the US, a complete failure in my parents’ eyes.
Also buying your kid into the University of Spoiled Children seems like an oxymoron.
Every time I see a video on the Chinese education system, I remember how fortunate I am to have gone to college and grad school in the States. Far from perfect, but with MUCH less pressure academically
The only way to have a "fair" system is to not have "good" and "bad" schools. If all schools were equal, the competition disappears.
Watched on Nebula!
Imagine the stress relief when you fail to get into a good highschool. The grind is over now yiu just have to work in a highly structured maufacturing job or a low wage delivery job for the rest of your life.
I used to live this . School from 7am to 2pm. And break 1 hour. 3-5pm at private tutor class . Go home and 7pm study and do homework till 10pm. At exam season, 12am is the earliest you go to bed. Mostly 1am if you really drill it
To add to that figure of 2% being rural female. In 2018 2 handicapped minority female attended top universities in China. No started attentending, attended at all levels all classes, there 2. In a country of more than 1 billion. 2 handicapped minority female rural students. And if I remember right, they were both from rich families.
May you please calculate and compare the *_proportion_* of handicapped minority female rural people in China as a whole, and the *_proportion_* of handicapped minority female rural students in elite universities, so that I know how to interpret your comment?
I'm well aware of discrimination existing; however, it's just that "handicapped minority female rural students" reeks of overspecification to me, since, even in isolation, a small proportion of people are handicapped (most are able-bodied), a small proportion are minorities (if that wasn't the case, they'd be the majority), a small proportion are female (due to the one-child policy's unintended effects), and a small proportion are rural (due to increasing urbanisation). Assuming that these probabilities are independent, the combined proportion would be the product, which would be quite small
@@Anonymous-df8it not my calculations, I am using the data provided by the ministry of education, provided to me by the Bureau of statistics. Got a problem with the numbers then take up with the Chinese government.
I would actually really love to help, I can't remember the academic book that made me aware of this, and I have barely slept for 3 days, my bed almost collapsed so it is really squeaky, so I wake up like every hour..... If you are actually interested in this, then it should be relatively easy to find, since these numbers are from within the last 10 years.
The book, found them because the university names was displayed in the statistics, so they went there and talked with them. Since they were 2 then it was not that hard, and because of their very specific situation, very easy to find. This is why we are aware of their family wealth.
@@Anonymous-df8it the bureau of statics, they got the numbers. I am too tired to help any further. The Chinese government published the data, got a problem with it, take it up with them
As a Chinese high school I can say that they never “banned” homework, the policy only includes “increase school time”, “cut down the number of homework” and “remove tutoring class”, however, only the first one have been put into practice, our school time have been increased so that we can “finish our homework in school “.
Nope, our teachers don’t care adding more homework and more class.
The education system is a disaster turning us into mindless machines. You really should do some interview before releasing the video, we are still dying here lol😂
Just please do some interviews.
I'm in Shanghai, my daughter goes to school at 7:30am and ends at 4:30pm, with maybe 1-2 hours worth of homework. Only grade 9 and 12 students spend much more time preparing for high school and college entrance exams respectively. While it does not represent the whole country, nor is it a relaxing schedule, but it's not as bad as it seems.
It's like someone who never exercises thinks someone who jogs 5km a day to be an impossible endeavour. Kids in China, or most Asian countries, are already used to this work load, most don't feel overly pressured.
In the UK I used to go from 08:00am to 15:30pm and had 0.5-1.5 hours of homework, and I *did* feel overly pressured. Normal or not, it depends on the kid.
I would have had a lot happier childhood with a lot less school. Almost anything useful or valuable I learned came from my own reading, not classwork, assigments, or homework. For me, school was extremely useless at best, and generally harmful to my wellbeing.
河南河北人：沪✌就是清高😅
@@jopearson6321 I wouldn't say kids in China enjoy classes and homework, but kids with good grades are respected, and you're happy when you're respected. I spent some time in the US and Canada, the classroom atmosphere is different. "Cool" kids are respected instead of good students, probably making kids even less enthusiastic about school. But that's just my 2 cents.
@@direnjie-f4u 清高啥呀？上海学校现状就这样，也有的是卷的家长，我只是选择快乐教育。😁
I don't understand what additional stuff you're learning in the extra hours inside of school with fewer holidays than in Western countries.
In Ireland, we rank 3rd in educational quality and access in the world. Our schools start from 9am-3pm with maybe 30min homework for ages 12 and below and 8.45am-3.40pm with less than an hour of homework for ages 13-18.
If you are in school over 40% longer and have twice the homework, how are you not coming out of school with closer to an undergraduate level of education by the time you high school?
Also, what would the point of that be when 1/3 to 1/2 of the class will be working in sectors not requiring so much education anyway.
As a freshman in college who just took the Gaokao, this video was very enlightening for me. Back in middle and high school, our school required us to participate in official after-school services. I didn't understand why they were necessary at the time, but now I see that they are a means to address the educational gap caused by economic disparities.
Why the clickbait title?
Thanks for this excellent report and drawing parallels between the dynamics of the problem with the US.
American Charter schools never even pretended to be a path to equality. The problem in both countries is the huge wealth disparity that goes to highly educated workers, you know the ACTUAL inequality itself that neither side is addressing. Meritocratic inequality is fundementally no better then Meritless Inequality, but both systems are invested in proping up the perception of Merit rather then reducing inequality.
I have to say your channel has one of the most insightful and factual analysis of Chinese gov's policy and especially the motivation behind the policies and regulations.
Simple yet striking conclusion spanning most of the Polymatter videos: the Chinese government is ineffective or in other words has the same unintended consequences problem as any other government trying to promote a certain policy
It is partially correct but not the whole truth. The Chinese government indeed did a good job in boosting the EV and solar/wind engergy industry and many other tech field.
The simpler conclusion is anti China content is favored by a platform manipulated by the state.
@@leoliu5017 UA-cam has its obvious bias, and youtubers are the easiest to compromise.
of course, as a spinoff of some CCP affiliated think tank, what could he say other than "The Chinese gov failed same as the West." Why not simply say the Chinese govt failed in anything but brutally exploiting their populace for decades on end? No need to say anything about the West as well ...
@@leoliu5017 when did they do that? 😂 when they subsidized making EVs leading to acres and acres of rotting EVs in land fills or the rental bikes and scooters with the same issue.
So if capitalism has produced austerity... And Chinese communism is producing austerity.... What is the dialectic that will actually lead to prosperity? I would argue that what Chinese communism and western capitalism hold in common is an hierarchical, centralized government. Perhaps what we need to do, then, is pursue horizontal rather than vertical power structures: eliminate hierarchy, eliminate concentrated power, broadly distribute resources, divest away from businesses and nations that refuse to do so, and focus on building happiness and well-being rather than gross domestic product.
There is now an AI race between countries.
People working in AI can earn LOTS of money and buy houses and cars.
Lots of people want a job in the AI industry.
Universities capitalize on this and offer courses in AI.
Schools capitalize on this and offer courses for students to get into universities that teach AI.
Parents capitalise on this and force their children to study long hours to get into schools that will get them to universities that teach them about AI to get a job in the AI industry.
Rich parents will have a leg up against poor peasant parents in getting their children to universities that teach them about AI to get a job in the AI industry.
This video has been up for 8hr, the top voted comments are correcting your title and you haven't fixed it?
When I was in hogh school, we had a chinese exchange student. In the yearbook, they dedicated a whole page to her. When asked what she liked most about school in America, she said she liked the short school day. Its sad how much time kids in china have to spend in school. Theres very little joy for them there.
The problem is standardized tests require to learn completely useless knowledges.
Nobody needs to solve quadrable equations when they are actually working.
Meritocracy can be beneficial if it encourages people to learn actually useful knowledges like electrician, plumbing, medicine, statistic etc...
It's complete waste of time to train high school kids to solve convolved plane geometry problems to pass extremely competitive entrance exams, which are difficult to pass even for math under-graduate students.
Such kids can learn actually relevant and important math like liner algebra instead of grinding their skill to solve math-flavored convolved puzzles asked by entrance exams.
@@user-mv6yv9ec1byeah some level of rigour is genuinely useful for problem solving. but the Chinese definitely aren't doing it right
"electrician, plumbing..."
Yeah, China will NEVER lift the trades to the same level as education-regardless of pay or the societal holes they are apparently adamant to continue digging. Those time-held Confucian values and their own country's history have cemented in the minds of the Chinese people that the trades, skilled or otherwise, are for failures and those who couldn't hack academia (pun not intended). Any attempt by their government to do so is ASKING for even worse chaos than is already happening
lol the gao kao is like 10000x harder than quadratic equations. In china they learn that in like 2nd grade
My point is, not everyone needs to learn math, just like not everyone needs to learn plumbing.
If a high school student decided to learn math, then that person should learn useful math fields like linear algebra, real analysis or group theory, rather than fake toy "math" taught in high school curriculums.
Hey Hey!, Engineer here, knowing how to solve quadratic equations is essential to solving most heat flow problems. Also certain types of optimization problems involving areas, and some types of controls problems too. So yes, for a certain type of worker you really do need to know how to solve them.
I feel like you slapped perspective into my brain like there is no tomorrow
inequality disguise as equality
北京人😂
Inequality disguised as equality; this quote from your video summarized the whole drama in the educational system of both countries. Thanks for your AWESOME analysis and insights
Taiwan number 1
@DelusiondoesUA-cam he think Taiwan is like the west. But ironically, Taiwan's education system is the same as China, but with less talent as the end product.
@@GIN.356.A “like the west”. Why would I or anyone that are not dumb or oblivious to the geo-political issue compare Taiwan with the west?
The west average IQ is comparable to the room temperature in Fahrenheit. Pull any survey you want and Taiwan tops the rank or at least sitting in top 5.
Sure the west have all the prestigious universities, but the average joe IQ in the west is incomparable to the IQ of average Joes in Taiwan.
There’s a multitude of reason why TSMC’s foundries can’t be rolled out to other country to de-risk themselves of probabilities of war, the one glaring issue is that it require a pool of Human Resources that are smart enough to run a sub 3nm foundries. Guess what? There’s a limited pool of suitable engineers capable of operating elsewhere outside of a tiny island called Taiwan, including the west.
Now China is a c-tier dystopian country.
@@musemellow it's just so funny you say that because most if not all of those Taiwanese elites have American passports lol TSMC is not special at all. It was allowed to exist. It can be replaced, it would just take a bit of time is all. Japan was the semi conductor king before, Toshiba was where TSMC was at one time. Look where it is now.
It's so funny you bring up IQ as if it means something. Taiwan with a meager population of 24million , has an avg IQ of 106, and "c-tier dystopia" China with 1.4 Billion has an avg IQ of 104. So either it's a fake stat that means absolutely nothing, or you are just admitting despite having 70 times less people, Taiwan is about as smart as China on avg still 😂😂😂
Tell you what, if China invades, and it doesn't look like China can be defeated decisively, it's very possible that the west will just negotiate to 1. Have the technology transferred out of Taiwan so it can be onshored by Intel for example. 2. have China produce older semi conductors instead, with bigger production capacity and less cost. Taiwan will just be handed over.
So relax lol you guys exist because you are allowed to by the grace of the mighty United States, you don't belong on the big boy table. Or any table at all for that matter, except as a bargaining chip. A bit of realpolitik for you 😂
@@musemellowthis is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read 😂 you’re beyond delusional
@musemellow and that's why taiwan rules the world obviously... not
I didn't expect an established UA-cam channel like Polymatter stooping this low. I knew already China had banned the private tuition industry, I thought they genuinely banned homework based on the title. Just clickbait. This is the kind of quality one can find on Nebula?
Americans here not even able to afford university here be like: "oh no, should horrible"
The same parallel system of tutoring exists in India also, although it is not as severe as China. Admittedly I have also been a 'beneficiary' of this tutoring system, when I prepared for my engineering entrance exams. From my own personal experience, one big source of this messed up system is the disconnect between the quality of education imparted at schools from the quality which gets you to score high in the entrance exams. India also has many different state education boards, education quality in one state or province is not similar to that in some others, yet students from all states want to compete in the same entrance exams. This creates an incentive for the tutoring industry to prevail, creating an 'arms race'. I also agree there is no perfect solution for this problem. But maybe a starting point could be to improve and standardize school education so that everyone gets an 'equal' opportunity to get the best education. Although standardizing education this way may later create its own problems like too much resources being gobbled up by few streams like science and engineering...oh wait that problem is already there.
01:30 The Chinese system sounds like heaven, here in the Netherlands the education system decides your future at age 11, and if you went to a slecial school teachers can ignore your scores and place you lower if they personally hate you.
What does "slecial" mean?
Bro, the Netherlands is the gold standard for how education should be managed.
What are you talking about.
@@charles7866-o1l Special?
Based.
Even now in my 30s i remember highschool as the worst, most stressful part of my life. In no small part because i was too poor to take on tutoring.
Born to be a Drone, Taught to be a drone, Thought restricted to be that of an approved Drone, educated to be a wage slave drone, and expected to pop more Drones before you die, after your use as a Drone is done, you die.
Are you evil enough to do this to a new life that didn't consent to be born into this world ?
Keeping someone alive isnt free of charge, of course they have to chip in back into society, meritocracy just makes things worse however.
@@aturchomicz821 That is why Parents should be held accountable or sued for bringing new life into this world without consent, to bring a life capable of pain and suffering into a world of suffering. Too bad this will never happen.
@@BracerJack Ok Weirdo
@@BracerJackhow can you consent to life before you exist?
@@i-jl3tr Precisely, that is why Parents should not be seen as the hero that society conditions us to believe they are. They have bought a life into wage slavery without consent. They should be put on trial.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Polymatter overlooked a crucial issue: the limited availability of high-paying jobs that prestigious universities aim to provide. Given the few available positions and the overwhelming demand, this imbalance is a core problem. Additionally, the government seems to lack strategies to increase these jobs, given its tight control over the economy.
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There is of course the third way, which is to cancel all exams until uni, like how Finland does it. But of course Finland is one of the most egalitarian places, for example, no one is homeless in Finland, because housing is a human right there. And the pressure of no good uni, no housing and no marriage does not exist. So I suspect you can't have the best education system in the world without also having a comprehensive welfare state.
What?
@@nomore9004 Finns a very proud of their educational system
12:30 schools with poorer students get much more funding public funding in the US even when compared to wealthier student bodies across the same district, you’re talking out of your ass
I used to lived and worked in Hong Kong and Shenzhen for a decade. What I learned about the tutoring business is shocking. It was a scam cooked up by then president Jiang Zemin and his mistress, who was also the minister of education. The idea was simple. Forced chinese family to start spending their massive household savings. The first reason for this was, banks were losing money because there were more savers than borrowers. Second, because of the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, which put china on every Western shit list. Jiang had to come up with a way to buy off the corrupt party members to save himself. “To make party members rich” is an exact quote from him, and the tutoring schools scam was the start. The profits from the industry financed many chinese tech startups in the early 2000s. Xi Jinpig did not shut down the tutoring industry out of cares for the children, it was the roots of all the corruption, and the startups funded by the money from the tutoring industry got way too powerful, and it became a threat to Xi Jinpig power. There are no hero in this fight, only lesser of two evils.
No house = no marriage
It would be interesting to see a video on what the USA could learn and adopt from China and vice versa that could help our two countries address the problems we are both facing.
Great video! The comparison of the challenges that the Chinese and US was completely on point!
Guy! What did Nigeria do to you?
Free am
No mind am
Na our politicians dey cause all these things
@@goyonman9655 You talk am. Dem don sell us.
its an amazing analysis, i learnt a lot from this video. thank you