@@tomasnovotny817 mike Mitchell himself said that they were gonna demo this header with the ideal 10t but it didn’t happen because the window on the combine broke so there demo of the 10 was cut short
Most combines do not reach maximum threshing throughput, especially in non irrigated crops due to lack of power. While the combine engine is capable of outputting enough power to achieve maximum threshing throughput, there is a balance. The faster the combine has to move, the more power is used to move it, thus throughput capacity is not at a maximum. Using a bigger header allows the combine to take in more grain at a lower speed and reach full capacity and efficiency. 18.288m (60ft) * 3200m/h (2mph) = 58521m^2/h (14.46 acres/h) 10.668m (35ft) * 8000m/h (5mph) = 85344m^2 (21.088 acres/h) The numbers in your example are a bit extreme though. In Mike Mitchell's video of 12 Aug 2020 you can see that he is going 3.6mph with a 50ft header using 83% engine power: 15.24m (50ft)* 5760m/h (3.6mph) = 87782m^2/h (21.69acres/h) This is in high yielding crop, where the combines do not need to go fast to saturate their throughput, so a small header and a big one would have nearly the same performance, though the slower running combine would use less fuel per bushel crop harvested. To conclude: In high yielding crops you do win on efficiency and in low yielding crops you win on speed and efficiency when using the larger header.
Larger headers are always superior because the combine harvests best when it is kept at maximum capacity and a larger header means it's easier to keep it at maximum capacity. Plus less passes over the field reduces compaction and overall saves on fuel. It is also much harder to sustain a higher field speed so you would be wasting harvest potential with a smaller header meaning you would always end up threshing more acres per hour with a larger header.
LOL the flag gave it away I said to myself hold on rewind this and I started laughing that's Mike LOL I had to bust you out for hiding this from me so when are you tell us the good details of this monster LOL.
@@lynwessel2471 What is average production for canola in bushel per acre or is it pounds/kilograms per acre for canola. I know very little about canola.
@@Parents_of_Twins I dont know much about it either except that it's rapeseed varieties that comply with Canadian standards for producing an oil thats healthier. I'm sure you can look up statistics for US or Canadian average yields quite easily.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking this 🤣 and thanks for the answers..... we do very little canola in Kansas. And personally, I've never really been around it
Depending on what combines it is, he might have to slow down 0,5-1 mph. But bu/hour should be the same. Some might do more bu/h if the combine can handle it :)
@@farming4g Just watched a vid of a guy combining seed soybeans with a 10T with a 62' and a 9T with a 50' somewhere in the states. Can't remember the exact location. Hate to think what these things cost, I'm sure it is more than my house.
Lets see it in drought crops and not pick up rocks. Not saying it’s a bad header but from my experience a Macdon and even a CNH flex is better. Gotta say a honeybee is fantastic as a swather header though
The biggest draper belt in The world with 62 feet of cutterbar belongs to GTS Brazil, aluminum frame and The reel divided in three pieces, very good header, no doubt about it
If you were to run this here in germany, you would barely be able to drive around with it legally on the road because a vehicle is only allowed to be 22.5 meters long and that thing is nearly 18.5 meters. So you cant really put any vehicle infront
Da muss aber noch einmal wer zur Fahrschule😅 18.75 Meter, wenn es ein Zug ist, für Selbstfahrer plus gezogene Schneidwerke 18 Meter😉 Hier bist du ja schon mit Gewicht oder Kiste an der Fronthydraulik mit einem 18 Tonner Zug länger😅 Ich bin eben noch mit 19 Metern herumgefahren😄 Wenn das Schneidwerk bereits 60 Fuß hat, sind das ja ~18.25 Meter, und der Schneidwerkswagen hat ja auch noch eine Deichsel, also bist du da schon längst drüber, aber vielleicht gibt's dafür ja Ausnahmegenehmigungen😂 Und sobald du aufm Feld bist, geht gar nichts mehr, weil unser Land an den wenigsten Flecken für sowas geeignet ist😅
Gts makes a 62 footer so not the biggest and Midwest here in Queensland Australia has been making 60 footers for would have to be 10 years or more now.....soooo
I guess that unloading on the go became a whole lot easier 😆, but header that big makes a whole lot of problems for example chaff spreading, mass of it and so on.
Meanwhile mikes in the cab going “so why is that drone flying around you while you combine Mike? Well I’m glad you asked….”
Mike Mitchell's farm ... soo cool
The Mitchell family Farm,
Faith Hope Farms
This is the header he couldn't show on UA-cam I remember that
Ahhhsome, we love what we do K guys 👋 👋 👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋
@@kyletatro yeah it was
I can’t be the only one to see the “faith hope farms” flag, can I?
No. Thought the same
Mike M trialed this header last year its very breifly in a couple of vids but he wasnt allowed to talk about it so i assume this is why
To bad we didn’t get to see it with the ideal 10t
They dont use tracks in canada
@@tomasnovotny817 they do
@@tomasnovotny817 mike Mitchell himself said that they were gonna demo this header with the ideal 10t but it didn’t happen because the window on the combine broke so there demo of the 10 was cut short
@@damiandorado4986 oh, sorry, now i remember that it wasnt only one of the 9's with tracks but also the 10
The ideal around here have been perfect nightmares…. Now sitting on new Holland lots.
Looking good Mike!😁👍
When combines get wider than my sprayer, is it time to question my life choices?
Nope. Just means you value getting the harvest in and charish the time spent in the field admiring your work
Least thats what i tell myself
when i used to combine in the uk with my dad i can remember us upgrading to a huuuuuuge 17foot cut combine :D
Mikes combined looks great on that head.
You'll need an extension on your extension of the grain feeder !
Think he said it has a 37’ auger on that combine.
@@gavinwolfe3238 😮
Looks like mike found some crop to harvest 👏🏽
The video was uploaded 3 months ago. Must be footage from last year
Last years footage from "TOP SECRET"
Very cool. Would like to see one of these Honey Bees running in soybeans to see how it compares to a Macdon or Geringhoff.
that header on a Ideal 10 or 8900 Claas would be intresting to see. Too bad they popped a window on Mike's demo 10T
Lol funny thing is the window was never popped
Wasn’t having a run away last year with 60 feet different story this year probably perfect for my 550 Massey might scrape up enough to keep it full
mike mitchill's combine
Yup it has a Faith hope Farms Flag
He did say last fall he was going to have something new from honeybee to try out. Then announced it was a secret and he couldn't post anything
Not this years crop! Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪....
Ha Mid West in Australia have a 18m/60ft front out for some time now and there was a custom made 61ft front in Hay NSW Australia back in 07-08
Was that the header he wasn't allowed to show us last year?!
Yes
to bad we dont have 60 ft spreaders
Next makers will create a folding spreaders.
Awesome looking header
So is 60 feet at 2mph really faster then 35 feet at 5 mph?
I get it if the crop is light and the field flat, but...
Most combines do not reach maximum threshing throughput, especially in non irrigated crops due to lack of power. While the combine engine is capable of outputting enough power to achieve maximum threshing throughput, there is a balance. The faster the combine has to move, the more power is used to move it, thus throughput capacity is not at a maximum. Using a bigger header allows the combine to take in more grain at a lower speed and reach full capacity and efficiency.
18.288m (60ft) * 3200m/h (2mph) = 58521m^2/h (14.46 acres/h)
10.668m (35ft) * 8000m/h (5mph) = 85344m^2 (21.088 acres/h)
The numbers in your example are a bit extreme though. In Mike Mitchell's video of 12 Aug 2020 you can see that he is going 3.6mph with a 50ft header using 83% engine power:
15.24m (50ft)* 5760m/h (3.6mph) = 87782m^2/h (21.69acres/h)
This is in high yielding crop, where the combines do not need to go fast to saturate their throughput, so a small header and a big one would have nearly the same performance, though the slower running combine would use less fuel per bushel crop harvested.
To conclude: In high yielding crops you do win on efficiency and in low yielding crops you win on speed and efficiency when using the larger header.
Larger headers are always superior because the combine harvests best when it is kept at maximum capacity and a larger header means it's easier to keep it at maximum capacity. Plus less passes over the field reduces compaction and overall saves on fuel. It is also much harder to sustain a higher field speed so you would be wasting harvest potential with a smaller header meaning you would always end up threshing more acres per hour with a larger header.
That was the Header that Mike Demoed and couldn't film in his video TOP SECRET he said at the time
I think your right.
@@max-jc4wq yes, got his farms logo on the combines flag
@@awloftus1 ya I saw that
We can't hide anything from you, Colombo.
I was thinking the dame thing...
Nice vídeo... But the world's largest header is the GTS Flexer XS 62 ft, a brazilian header!
Hope you have the transport system fixed , it doesn't stand up very well .
Looks good on those Ideals 👌👌
Faith Hope Farms flag on the unload auger...
How many times did the chopper plug in the making of this video?
LOL yep that's Mike
LOL the flag gave it away I said to myself hold on rewind this and I started laughing that's Mike LOL I had to bust you out for hiding this from me so when are you tell us the good details of this monster LOL.
So how many has Mike ordered? :D
Mike, I have a question
Where i live the yield is about 3 times higher and we have so much more straw, it is nearly impossible to use such a header
It seems odd to have 60 feet of header and not one kernal going into the hopper.
Experimental seedless variety. You can farm on youtube without the hassle of all the trucking. (Its canola- black seed)
@@lynwessel2471 What is average production for canola in bushel per acre or is it pounds/kilograms per acre for canola. I know very little about canola.
@@Parents_of_Twins I dont know much about it either except that it's rapeseed varieties that comply with Canadian standards for producing an oil thats healthier. I'm sure you can look up statistics for US or Canadian average yields quite easily.
Why am I not seeing anything going on the grain tank. Is that Canola?
It is.
It’s just black canola against the black paint. If you look closely you can see it.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking this 🤣 and thanks for the answers..... we do very little canola in Kansas. And personally, I've never really been around it
How’s the combine harvester handle the extra crop going through and does it thrash efficiently and give a good sample?
Depending on what combines it is, he might have to slow down 0,5-1 mph. But bu/hour should be the same. Some might do more bu/h if the combine can handle it :)
@@KNJensen and field conditions better be dry too for those giant heads... anything borderline is gonna have trouble going through the combine.
@@farming4g They will be in dryland Canada :p
@@farming4g Just watched a vid of a guy combining seed soybeans with a 10T with a 62' and a 9T with a 50' somewhere in the states. Can't remember the exact location. Hate to think what these things cost, I'm sure it is more than my house.
Is that hooked up to Mike Mitchell when they had the ideal 9s
Should partner with tribine
Sorry but gts 62' header is the biggest now. Great to see Mike tho
Mitchell?
Yup that’s exactly who it is
Too bad GTS makes a 62' flex draper
You know mid west in Australia has had a 60foot Front for years
نَفُشُتِّ وَتُهَ ألمَصأيِبْ وِشَ تِسُويِ لَم وَلَن أَبْدَل نِعْمَةَ اللَّهِ مَعِى فِي الْحِلِّ وَالتَّرْحَال 🔨🇺🇳🕋⚖من مُقِرٌّ مَجْلِس الأُمَمُ الْمُتَّحِدَةُ عَادِلٌ حَلّ عَادِلٌ مُنْصِفٌ الْآن وَجَمِيع الْأَوْقَات وَ شُّكْرُ لِلَّه .
Nice one
I would be worried it wasn’t putting any grain in the tank with 60 foot head should fill some what quickly
Noticed that too...WTF?
Canola seed is black so it’s hard to see against the black paint
hard to see ok... but absolutly invisible..???
I visited my uncles farm in ohio and he has one, he says its brilliant
There is no grain on the tank?
Its a Canola, tl:dr black seed on black combine, hard to see.
Actually it is not GTS has 62ft
I was about to comment that. Build in Brazil, 62ft to harvest soybeans.
In Norway we can have about 7-800 kg on a 1000 m2 land
Of course it would be MM!
Lets see it in drought crops and not pick up rocks. Not saying it’s a bad header but from my experience a Macdon and even a CNH flex is better. Gotta say a honeybee is fantastic as a swather header though
That can’t be Mike Mitchell’s farm. These guys actually grow a crop that is taller than 3 inches and makes more than 5 bushels an acre.
Hey, this best lager header is gts Brazil with 62 or 63 ft
You are correct 😊
Try paying for that with this year's crop. Good luck!
The biggest draper belt in The world with 62 feet of cutterbar belongs to GTS Brazil, aluminum frame and The reel divided in three pieces, very good header, no doubt about it
Don't think it's Mike, guy hasn't left his shoes outside the cab.
Hey hey, faith hope farms.
There is a 61 ft header
FHF
Bad year to be showing new stuff!
Didn’t think it Mikes farm this year due to a good looking Yield there……🤔 but flag says otherwise 😀
It was filmed last year I think around the time the Ideal 10 was there
@@nitish- barely a glimpse as he said he could not show it and signed an agreement with Honeybee not to show it in a vid
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18,38m
If you were to run this here in germany, you would barely be able to drive around with it legally on the road because a vehicle is only allowed to be 22.5 meters long and that thing is nearly 18.5 meters. So you cant really put any vehicle infront
Da muss aber noch einmal wer zur Fahrschule😅 18.75 Meter, wenn es ein Zug ist, für Selbstfahrer plus gezogene Schneidwerke 18 Meter😉
Hier bist du ja schon mit Gewicht oder Kiste an der Fronthydraulik mit einem 18 Tonner Zug länger😅 Ich bin eben noch mit 19 Metern herumgefahren😄 Wenn das Schneidwerk bereits 60 Fuß hat, sind das ja ~18.25 Meter, und der Schneidwerkswagen hat ja auch noch eine Deichsel, also bist du da schon längst drüber, aber vielleicht gibt's dafür ja Ausnahmegenehmigungen😂 Und sobald du aufm Feld bist, geht gar nichts mehr, weil unser Land an den wenigsten Flecken für sowas geeignet ist😅
It's even more fun in Poland, there are fields that aren't as wide and few (1,5-3) kilometers long.
60 ft in sask won’t work.
Gts makes a 62 footer so not the biggest and Midwest here in Queensland Australia has been making 60 footers for would have to be 10 years or more now.....soooo
That’s great, but the combine isn’t spreading the trash out that far
that's the next issue that should be addressed asap.
Even in that light crop it’s crawling at snails pace, where’s the logic in that😆
I guess that unloading on the go became a whole lot easier 😆, but header that big makes a whole lot of problems for example chaff spreading, mass of it and so on.
The header might be ok, but the combine is just straw chopping. I see nog grain getting in the tank from 1:39 on.
😂😂 Canola is black.
was ein fetter Tisch
beste Tisch wo gibt^^
Faith hope farms E.G mike Mitchells farm
Only any good for poor soils where yields are shaky. Try running a 60” header with any combine through a decent crop and you’ll be going 2km/h
Except the capacity of the modern mega combines like claas 8900, Jd x9 1100, fendt ideal 10T, nh 10.90
Midwest has been building 60' for probably over a decade. What a ridiculous claim
It says in the video it's 60'3"