Am I getting this right? Joni wants her son to read a letter that verifies or gives approval of her current marriage. Daystar doesn't exist to verify anyone's marriage, It exists to magnify the name of Jesus.
Joni and Jimmy are correct about employees needing to submit and uphold the company's goals, vision, mission statement,etc.. It appears Jonathan and Suzy are doing so except their one conviction. A loving mom would honor this considering it is only about reading viewer comments (BTW, only positive ones). My word! Grow up. Now, Jonathan and Suzy need to show respect and love to Doug, particularly at Daystar. Joni and Jimmy are manipulative and spoke some things that aren't not good or biblically accurate.
God uses teenagers to be great for his work (David), as well as, the elderly (Moses). He was out of line to brag about his decades of marriage experience. God gives wisdom, insight and blessing to the young. The older one, may have stopped listening, or fallen into pride - no blessing from God there. This young couple was not treated well. Disagreement is not disrespect. What Christian says, "no, I'm not going to give you time to pray about it"? God is never in a hurry.
If they have so much conviction then they should have quit but instead they kept their huge paycheck until they were fired. Who gets to treat their boss this way and keep their job for so long?
@@daringgreatly8473how exactly did they “treat their boss” ? Besides the fact it’s his mother and he was on the Board of Directors so he had the right to speak up. There is also a procedure that has to be followed before someone is let go . If you ever had a job you would know this so of course he would get a check until all those legal procedures were followed
Joni created all that chaos with her marriage to a man who divorced to marry her, that was the problem, and can't force jonathan and suzi to accept wrong doing.
Yes, that’s totally it and the part where I think the only part there was a bleep was when she brought up the molester‘s name which is probably Joshua Brown. Forget about Doug the horrific thing they were told to Barry just like Joni is doing right now is a criminal offenseand honestly, I wish Jonathan would get more of a backbone.
I do. He has so much influence over Joni. Two become one....one spirit. If he has a bad spirit and they "know" one another then that same bad spirit joins her...
Well you and I should be sisters - maybe twins lol. I will be 70 this December and I too asked Jesus into my heart at age 5. What the wolves today are doing to the reputation of Jesus is so angering and so saddening. I am thankful to the Lord for all the exposure that has happened this year and Lord willing more to come. I worked for Jimmy Swaggart from 2010-2011 and was shocked to see what I saw first-hand there. He too is a horrible wolf behind the scenes and I look forward to seeing what the Lord will expose in those Baton Rouge leaders! The Lord bless you sister/brother, and may He give you the best year yet!
Joni, this is EVIL, manipulative, and abusive. Jimmy, how you talked to Jonathan and Suzy is disgusting and abusive. You are Jonis hench man. Now we know who you both are.
Also like a spiritual ganging up on her own son and daughter in law, saying she spoke to some other people (what was said? it could have easily been manipulated) so she could force them to simply OBEY her.
Not even close! You have no idea what it is to deal with insubordinate rebellious employees. It is more complicated because it is a ministry and even more since it is a family.
Why is she forcing them to accept her husband? They have a right to feel the way they feel because they have their reasons. She needs to stop blowing it out of proportion. Instead she needs to win them over with Love. She’s the one that’s making a judgement.
She isn't telling them to accept her husband but they're taking that resentment to work and it's affecting the working environment. So as their boss she's entitled to call them out.
@ but isn’t she forcing them to read a letter regarding a positive comment about her husband and their f the don’t they’re being rebellious and have a spirit of witchcraft?
I saw Laura Lynn's video last night, and she has every right to leave Daystar. Personally, I expect more ministries to pull their programs from the network. All of this is making me sad.
@@CFGossettAbbasHealingArts I agree, and all this stems from Suzy being SA'd by a chiropractor Marcus hired and J&S's daughter being SA'd by Joni's son-in-law. They like so many other ministries are trying to cover up CSA and financial malfeasance. Ethnos 360 does the same, many mission groups and churches are in the same boat as Daystar. Our LORD never meant for these mega ministries to exist, this is not the Christianity of the Savior.
Jimmy Evans is the wrong person to be "shepherding" this discussion. He is the one that gave Joni and Doug approval to get married even tho there were questions. Evans is protecting his "reputation".
First of all…the foul language from Joni….I know she’s cursing up a storm now this recording has been released….and Jimmy is a bully….SHE IS NOT THE VOICE OF GOD….GOD IS THE VOICE OF GOD…. I agree….her relationship is not about ministry so why they have to read a comment about it is beyond me….I hope this opens up many people’s eyes regarding spiritual abuse and manipulation….I am glad he recorded this to end the speculation.
I do too. It's out there, and just plan sickening. These people come out of the Church of God, Cleveland Tenn.. My husband was raised in that church. For many years they were legalistic. Now they have went to far the other way. We left that denomination many yrs ago. There are some that follow the Sheperding Ministry on submission. That leaders are to be submitted to no matter what. That the leader is "The man of God, and you accept whatever he says. Because as the leader, he hears the voice of God. That's what this whole interveiw reminds me of. It's very cultist.
The way Joni speaks to her son and daughter-in-law is disgusting. There are too many instances in this recording where I heard the true Joni come out. She speaks about stubbornness being like witchcraft, but how about her own stubbornness?
The wisdom I heard BOTH Joni & Jimmy Evans speak is crystal clear! I'm praying that the division satan has wedged between this family is demolished. HE is bigger than all of this! Praying for all involved ❤
How about the idolatry and pride Joni and Jimmy have in THEIR Opinions. I am a 61 Year old Mother- and do not tolerate disrespect. But this is Not it. Joni and Jimmy wake up- ask God to show you your PRIDE
Jimmy Evan is Narcissist disguise as religion counselor. God gives each one of us the gift 🎁 of discernment and believe me he is one of those that doesn't sit well on my spirit.
You shouldn’t watch a “Christian ministry” channel where the employees job is NOT to talk about GOD but to make their boss happy. At that point it had lost all validity as a Gospel spreading network. Simple.
Day star is a prosperity gospel network and this type of gospel is not biblical. It's nice to here Jonathan and suzi knowing what the bible actually says.
Johnathan needs to go out and get a job in the secular world to see what life is really all about. So true you, Johnathan have been living I. A bubble. When you have left daystar and ther protection and see what it is really .Ike to live your faith, then I think you will know what Jimmy Evans was talking about, I got from the last part of the recording when your mom was asking for a direct commentment that in reality you now how hard it would be to get another job because of being protected all you life. The best thing you can do is Leave , believe me it will help you grow up, especially spiritually . You will feel much better about yourself. Liz, an old lady almost 80. I had to put my son out of my house when he was 18. No job and no place to live.Guess what in his 30's he came back and thanked me for it.
This is the reason people don't want to follow Christ. Senior people thinking they God...... I love Father God but oh my goodness these 2 is using God for their own benefits
@PastorBillyThompson Jonathan should have delivered his own family after Suzie claimed she was sexually assaulted by the chiropractor and then when they claimed their daughter was assaulted too. Seems a little strange to me but that's my own opinion.
@@shirleywells2087EXACTLY!!! This drama is so carnal; I'm 73 & have dealt with all of these issues & see it as typical life. The immature "kids" need to stop their drama & go get a job elsewhere.
She has raised her kids biblically and to believe what the word says. Now, they are trying to live by it and she doesn’t like it because it doesn’t fit her decisions. Serve God, not the ministry!
The late Pastor Derek Prince always said that when someone is operating in witchcraft, one can always recognize it by three characteristics…manipulation, intimidation and domination. From the sounds of this audio I’m hearing those characteristics coming out of Joni and Jimmy…NOT Suzy and Jonathan. I’m just sick to my stomach. I personally had to repent for being so deceived for all these years thinking Daystar was true Christian broadcasting. I’m so grateful that God revealed the truth and that HE corrects those whom HE loves. May HIS perfect will be done.
I can relate and have had to repent for my deception as well with many Christian ministers. We need to look into people more and their doctrines and character-not just anointing and gifts. God is maturing us!
As a Christian marriage counselor, I vehemently disagree with the counsel of Jimmy Evans! So many red flags. I CRINGED every time he opened his mouth! He boasts about his 40 years of marriage counseling. I would had never pegged him as a marriage counselor, let alone a counselor, while listening to this.
Joni’s putting Doug and Jimmy Evans above her own son. I feel horrible for Jonathan. That’s got to hurt deep. May God take control over that Network and have His way.
Why was it necessary that they read that. She knew they don't approve of him. Why didn't she get one of the others to read it. She is being influenced by the wrong power. Don't tell them you love them BUT!! My idea would be "don't love me" be nice to me.
I believe Joni is in a battle with her conscious, and that is why she is pressing for Jonathan and Family to read all the good comments about Doug. She is trying to convince herself she made a right decision with Doug.
This is disturbing. It’s frightening to me how the amount of power Joni & Jimmy Evans have granted to themselves. I absolutely cannot imagine siding against my child or children in order to be with someone of “Dr. Doug’s” caliber.
@@amisam8176I’ve only heard of a cover up. If that happened to my child. Evans would shut the hell up and ppl would be in prison when I’m done. But now crickets! Cover up and distraction! A multimillion $ biz!
That guy is not a "Doctor" he is a "SEX"therapist..that didn't want to stay in his marriage of 30 years..When Fame and Money knocked on hos door ...he opened it wide..ans Joni let him in..A wolf in sheep's clothing...This is a Blotch on the Body of Christ .and it's being displayed for the whole world to see
For Jim Evans to tell them that Joni is the 'voice of God' is absolutely ridiculous and on the edge of blasphemy. Joni is the mother and boss - and that's it. This really exposes not only Joni, who doesnt even seem to care about her grand daughter, but it also exposes Jimmy for saying such garbage. His ministry has now been exposed. What a disgrace. For those who basically imply that Joni is God which means the boss - you are WRONG. Joni is the boss who is supposed to be accountable to the controlling board. If she was God of DAYSTAR she would have NO accountability period. However, her son made mention that he is on the board and Jimmy just blew him off.
@ktread8487 you can't be the only one God talks too just because you're the mother n boss. Unless this is not about God leading the ministry. You are wrong if u think like that. That's why we have so many lost souls that are following blindly people n not God.
Joni Lamb and her side kick are on a power trip, using the term submit repeatedly is absolutely demeaning. Wolf in sheep's clothing, no respect for the employee, son that list his father and rightfully has the right hold to his mother accountable for her choices. Everything will come to light. She's the one on a power trip. I suspect she threatened her grandchild. EVERYTHING WILL COME TO LIGHT.
An adult son is capable of making his own decision, and does not need to be bullied into submission by his mother and her husband whom he does not approve of.
Not one time did the wife or Jonathan call out Joni in this conversation when Joni mentioned the SA twice. If the SA was really true, I would have told Joni she was lying at the top of my lungs saying the SA didn’t happened. Neither Susie nor Jonathan said anything to defend their daughter!!
They shouldn't browbeat Suzi. Accusing her of witchcraft after she herself has fleeced the public & raced into audultery with Doug is unacceptable. Beware of the deceit & the accusations of the enemy. These slurs on your character iSuzi s unfair. I'm surprized Jimmy Evans is behaving this way. It only cheapens his good image & drives away his followers. I always admired him until now. Trying to back Suzi into a corner & trying to intimidate her is unnecessary.
She’s mad because Suzy didn’t come to Joni’s LINGERIE SHOWER??? How disgusting to even think about participating in something like that with your mother in law???
Lol Joni is so insecure about them not reading a stupid note about her new marriage that she recruits Jimmy to basically bully them in this meeting. Pathetic.
1:34:30 there is no new testsment justification for a Christian to file for divorce for abandonment. 1 Corinthians 7:15 says if an unbeliever departs, let them
It’s absolutely wild this letter reading ON AIR is so important they will rip their family apart over it! They are coercing Suzie and Jonathan, and that is witchcraft!
Where there is no conviction of sin there is no repentance. A true believer would not speak or behave as Joni Lamb & Jimmy Evans did in this audio. It comes down to sin & no repentance it opens the door to evil.
My heart cried for Johnathon 😢he said three times " mom i love " a soft spoken man with a humble heart. You are like my son God will take care for and your family. 😢😢
It’s clear she knows Jonathan has a sweet and submissive disposition and she abuses it! Joni is guilty of pride, greed, spiritual abuse, and she will suffer an end similar to Jezebels because she allows the Jezebel spirit to rule in her life. She is Jezebelian in her actions and words.
Spiritual abuse!! How heartbreaking Joni's pride and insecurity is more important than her relationship with her son. And Jimmy Evans? He is unbelievable! Both are bullies! My heart goes out to Jonathan and Suzi.
When Joni says to Suzy “Without Daystar, nobody would know who you are…” that’s so telling. The ministry is not supposed to be about fame. What an interesting choice of words and a reflection of Joni’s heart imo. I suppose she loves her son - she is his mother. But this situation is evident that he isn’t as important to her as her pride, fame, and riches that’s she’s gained from Daystar.
Joni is horrible...I can't stand Jimmy...he's so arrogant and prideful...I'm sorry but I do want to see him fall...he needs to be humbled...what a horrible man.
@@karie431 of course. He divorced his wife two months after mark died. That’s suspicious. In January of 2022 he started his divorce and in March of 2022 Joni was building. $4 million dollar home. How fast was that? And they want Jonathan and Suzy to forcefully summit to this man. That’s spiritual bullying. But they’re not talking about the SA that Was done to the grandchild. . Praying 🙏 for Jonathon and Suzy.
Yep me too so much for mourning your husband. He moved in on the scene quickly. Divorced his wife . Billed daystar for lavish trips and the wedding now a new home .
Control, Manipulation, Pride, Spiritual Abuse, etc. This is so grievous. I feel like I’m about to throw up (literally). I’m so glad that I didn’t ignore what God showed me while working at Daystar. I left days later.
Good more like, GOD, for you!!! The spiritual manipulation is off beyond evil with these people!! It is really really good to see all the support for Jonathan and Suzy!! May God protect them and comfort him for the revelation of who his mother really is. It's VERY disturbing, and this Jimmy Evans guy has no credibility after that display of "guidance" and "mediation!!!!" Talk about witchcraft!
I have completely lost all respect for Joni Lamb and Jimmy Evans. This is not about God or the ministry that God created through the Lambs. I will never watch or listen to any of these ministers or propaganda shows again. I completely respect Jonathan and Suzy and completely know they are God fearing Christian believers. This video confirms that Daystar is not a Christian network. It is a business , no different from the money changers outside the temple where Jesus overturned their tables for heresy.
Everybody but Joni and Jimmy See's him as a fake, extremely dishonest and repulsive at best! Sounds like they're the ones being led of the devil and their fleshly selfish desires!
Submission means accepting her new husband? How manipulative!!! Give them time!!! Stop forcing them into accepting an adulterous relationship. Manipulating the word of God. So glad Suzie is standing on her convictions
@@shannontederoff3026 Joni is free to marry but not someone with a covenant spouse. Doug high-tailed it to the divorce court once Marcus died. He dumped his wife to marry Joni. This makes their union adulterous.
@@kathyhogan4182 she also stated in multiple meetings that she wanted her son to work on his relationship with Doug Weiss and this is what my comment referenced; the DayStar viewer comment was a different issue, anybody could have read that viewer comment, mandating her son do it was her attempt at manipulating her son and controlling the narrative regarding her relationship to Doug Weiss.
@@kathyhogan4182That’s like saying just read this positive comment about abortion if you are prolife. By reading that positive comment your are endorsing that sin. Jonathan believes Doug who left his wife of 30 years and his mom are adulterers. And Doug is set up as spouse as main heir and he gets Daystar is Joni were to die first.
@kathyhogan4182 YEAH, A 'A VIEWER COMMENT', most likely FABRICATED, by joni? In her DESPERATE, BLINDED, SEX/GLAZED, ATTEMPT, To PRESENT doug, as EVERYTHING positive, that he IS NOT!@@ HOW CAN A MOTHER CHOOSE A man??? Over her FAMILY!?@😢
It's amazing that Jimmy Evans, keep saying he has 41 years experience in the ministry. However, he lack discernment about Doug. All the information which is coming out about him now. I would never listen to any advise from Jimmy Evans.
Why was Joni so hell-bent on having that letter read by Jonathan and Suzy? It was force. It was ego. Why didn’t she just read it on her Table Talk show and be done with it? This woman is prideful and mean.
Joni was trying to force them by manipulation, intimidation, and domination to read the viewer’s comment of Doug for validation from them… even if it wouldn’t be from their heart. Joni knew how they felt about Doug and still forcing them… M.I.D. Are characteristics of a JEZEBEL using witchcraft.😢
@@oliverkent8429 yes, validated by a fan who wrote the letter. It had to awfully important to have that particular letter read on air around the world. She needed it to be read obviously. Wow!!
What’s interesting is that think they are right and is asking for the same type obedience as we give to God. Did not Daniel asked if they could not partake of the wine and meat. Do we not give way for weaker brethren so they will not violate their conscience. If she wanted her children to accept Doug she should have fostered that relationship before she married him.
@ That, and to think you deserve 100% obedience is insane. I want people to obey God, not me. Otherwise I’m held responsible for what they do in obedience to me if it defies God. And I don’t want that.
Why would Joni insist on Jonathan and Suzy give praise for her new marriage to her new husband. I realize it was a viewer who said it but if she wanted the praise of Doug read she should have done it herself and not expected her son to do it for her. Doug is not his father and jonathan therefore is loyal to his biological father.
It was hard to listen to and to say these are Christians? Hard to tell apart from quoting a book from John Bevere and a scripture or two!Such a shame! You can’t force them to support your adulterous relationship Joni? She can’t do what Joni wants. Jonathan and Suzy’s Job is to talk about God not you and nor Jimmy. You are losers!
There's TWO separate relationships here...they are family AND they are employees!! If they wanna carry on working at Daystar they need to submit!! The Word of God tells us!! Period!! Its a spirit of rebellion and bitterness they both have!! It's plain to see!!
Thank you for your video last night about Joni's adulterous union with that huckster. Enjoyed it. Too many unbiblical divorces and remarriages in the church
The passed deceased president carried himself as a little mild and a tad bit sweet to me which is why Joni maybe was able to stay in the game. It’s under new management now and envy has a place at the table. If a woman has no place of authority in America then the question being asked is…Joni, what you doin here???Her husband gave her the spot is the answer!!
He is having to deprogrammed himself from the fact it’s his Mother too . Proud of him for being a Man protecting his family. The nerve of Evan’s telling him to submit to her as if god. Bible says he’s is a man who submits only to God now that he has a wife.
What about the boundary that Jimmy took when he announced Doug to the whole world that Doug’s ex was abusing him…I have No respect for Jimmy Evans… Praying that Suzy and Jonathan will be fruitful in another ministry…
Wow.. she has a strong spirit of manipulation. She spokes curses over them by speaking that they are going to catch hell. If her husband was a good man she would not have to use manipulation or fear tactics to defend her marriage. He was such a good son and showed her respect and honor despite her actions. God bless you Johnathan
Exactly! She is highly ocultic and a soceress, she kept on cursing them & their children & bloodline. As Jimmy was in agreement, they were ritually binding them. Can you imagine the spell she directly pit on her granddaughter, when she demanded that only HER, Joni, privately, meet with her? Since then, the girl, completely became shut in, reclusive, stopped playing, never said anymore to her parents and became terrified of any man, including her dad, touching or hugging her. Joni is EVIL. This is high level satanism. Remember, both her own father & husband were serial adulterers and fornicators according to publicly recent court filings that have now been reposted that Daystar had cleared up from the internet. The cases were against SA by Daystar young employees, against Daystars own Marcus lamb, 7 years adultery & Joni's father SA against a young female staffer. Rachel, their daughter too was SA. This family is clearly Luciferian to extent that they all lock horns to cover up for Rachel's husband alledged SA to Jonathan & Suzys daughter? Social services should also check the alledged brother in laws 2 children, thst is Rachels children. Suzy was SA by Daystar chiropracter & Joni & Marcus, covered up. ALL this high level of SA, in just 1 family! Then enters into the family, a recovering sex addict aka Doug Weiss, new husband to Joni! This is a horror family!
Oh wow, I literally just made this exact comment! About the girl being summoned to talk to her alone, and then how she came out afterwards completely different, shutdown, and, suddenly does'nt even remember the things that were done to her, I said THAT IS STRAIGHT WCRAFT. PERIOD. As soon as I heard that part on another podcast last week I said hold up!- Did I just hear that correctly?? I rewound and listened to it again and I IMMEDIATELY said THAT GIRL HAD WCRAFT PUT ONTO HER! Also, I just now thought of something.. the name of the company, daystar.. wonder if it really means the morning star... @@NeemahKing-pm1gq
@@NeemahKing-pm1gq Omgoodness! While reading your post, I could hardly keep up with all of SA incidents! This is despicable! Especially for the poor child! When did anybody in the camp have time for God's work?!
Seriously Jimmy??? "FEEDING EACHOTHER" You and Joni are. FEEDING eachother. Jonathan AND Suzy are MARRIED...they have EVERRY right too feed off EACHOTHER!!!😮
I listened to this and then I looked up Instagram. Did you see what Joni Lamb posted two days ago? She said it had to do with Jonathan not being voted as president. Now I definitely see why this was released. Thank you, Roys Report.
Saul was directly disobedient to God not man. Stop taking scripture out of context. I. So disappointed with Jimmy Evans. What you and Joni are doing is witchcraft. Forcing g them to do things against their own Conscience. This is so so sad
Jonathan is a spoiled boy that is sure that one day he will control the empire called Daystar. He goes to college and meet a gold digger called Suzy. Jonathan is ugly, boring and unattractive what confirms the gold digger hypothesis. Jonathan lures Suzy with promises of success and fame. Everything is going fine until his sisters start participating in the company and married talented, handsome and adorable husbands. Even the parents like them. Suddenly Jonathan and Suzy start feeling threatened and feeling jealous. His show with Suzy has very low rates what increases the jealousy. One day during a family vacation an ordinary incident may have happened, and Jonathan and Suzy saw an opportunity to blackmail the family and try to regain relevance. The black mail backfires and then after a while they realized that the only way to regain power was to construct a story, inflating an incident, to try to move the competition out of the way. That is where we are now. Gold digger Suzy and non-talent Jonathan decided to play dirty and try a " I don't get it; they don't get it " game. Remember that "who is hurting wants to hurt". This is a typical case of jealousy and fight for power. Shakespeare teaches all the ingredients in this story.
Well said,Jonathan is hurt he should have been taking his dad's place in the ministry...Although I wouldn't call it a ministry, Joni and Doug should be ashamed.
Every time they say "submit" remember that, very early in the conversation, it was established that "submission" in this context refers to submitting to the will of Joni Lamb OVER the will of God. So every time it sounds like Jimmy and Joni are kinda making a point with the "you won't submit" thing, just remember they aren't talking about submitting to God; they're talking about submitting to the god of Daystar BEFORE God.
@heartlights ....I agree with you. Clearly, Joni doesn't respect Suzy. I stopped watching Daystar and TBN earlier this year. When I did watch it. I could see the uneasiness on the show.
@@OneONoneShowcase-zx2vg no they rude and disrespectful. All Joni is asking is for them to also acknowledge her husband. The script they supposed to read is back to you Joni and Dough but these two hardheaded refuses to do so. I mean Joni is the boss do what she requested or quit or get fired. It is biblical for her to put her husband first.
But why is it so important for Joni to have a viewer's comment validating her marriage, read on TV? It has nothing to do with the show or what God is doing through the show! The fact that this has become such a big issue for Joni to call this meeting is dramatic and unnecessary, just because she wants her marriage validated on TV, to drown out all the negative comments who disapprove of her marriage!
@AJ-vf2vf exactly. It's so stupid to create such a big issue (on her part) out of this. It sounds like the whole issue for her is that they won't agree with her marriage to Doug, and you would think, being within her inner circle, they'd know more than we do, and not even they agree with it. Says something. She's trying to use her kids and friends to promote and support her marriage.
I don’t believe Joni is the one that is hard hearted. The more I listen to this the more I disrespect both her and Jimmy Evans. As they accuse these kids 3 fingers are pointing back at them
Joni is demanding worship and validation of everything she does - and if anyone dare focus on Christ instead of her, she’s not having it. Daystar shouldn’t be about singing the praises of Dougie. This is spiritual abuse: for Joni and Jimmy to say Joni is the voice of God at Daystar, is just reprehensible if not blasphemy.
The saddest part is this is his MOTHER. A Mother who hid the molestation of her Grandchild and is determined to do loose her relationship with her son. It’s disgusting. This is a cult and this is bullying. Good for you Susie & Jonathan. I can’t imagine the great courage it took to stand up to the bully.
They didn't stand up....he submitted and Suzy who said she didn't have permission from God to quit at the same time she said she was there to serve God but then also said she was convicted about not reading some comment about Doug from a viewer??? Made ZERO sense. If either of them had any conviction in anything they'd have stood up and walked out and should have certainly vacated upon finding out their own daughter was sexually abused.
Im glad they recorded this, we need more of this, had they knew “bet they would have spoken way differently “ but ain’t it the real them? Behind closed doors
What's SICKENING is that Jonathon is secretly taping his mom behind her back, without her knowing. As if they are trying to get their mom to say something they can use against her, to take her down from Daystar so that he, Jonathon and his wife Suzie could take over the Daystar Network, Why else would they be secretly taping his own mom. I think that is evil and shameful.
@@valeriemcgill5511 they had several mtgs before and it sounds to me that they taped this mtg so their words can't be twisted or used against them. Jimmy is being a bully period. They should hv had an independent, unbias arbitrator. Joni is being egotistical. I pray GOD will shine a light onto this darkness in this ministry.
i agree with you. if they worked for any other company they would have also had to submit to the rules but it seems the whole scenario is a personal one as far as Jonathan and suzy struggling to accept doug. family issues are complicated
@@MW-fq4ld No They are trying to force them to accept marriage. In a job I am not forced to accept my Sr mgmt spouse… that should not come up.. they do not have to validate that marriage… for the record it is sin. It is adultery….
@@MW-fq4ldexactly. If you wolf for an independent company who have no say. I don’t think Jimmy and Joni are wrong. Unfortunately the new generation have lack of respect for authority. Joni asking for her to read the viewers comment has nothing yo do with her feeling about how she feels about him. That young lady is operating in a Jezebel spirit
@adryanbillups3409 i am not critiquing their relationship to the marriage i am solely standing on the point that is you work for a co, you have to submit to the manager/boss and sometimes you have to do what is part of the job wether you like it or not. i am not taking sides i understand how difficult this marriage of joni is for them. im leaving it to God to judge He knows their hearts and motives.
If you know "employment laws" they are in insubordination because as "employees" of Daystar they are refusing to do what their manager is asking based on their personal feelings. If they were at Fox and refused to read or do with the station manager asked, they would not be around. Suzy is running that marriage. I pray they do get justice for their daughter if the allegations are true.
@@boxesbinslidsllcI don’t agree they are in insubordination. You can still keep your convictions no matter where you work. Same as what is happening now as freedom of speech. Just like saying the bible is a ‘hate speech’ and if you are in the secular world. That doesn’t mean you throw that out, as a Christian and mind you.you are still within the conviction and constitution. That aside this is a so called church or a so called Christian TV and her family -her son!definitely abuse . Sin is sin! Joni is an adulterous relationship with Doug-Period! You can’t force them! Joni should be repentant Will be praying for them all especially Jonathan and Suzy
I don't see any abuse. Both sides are being manipulated by satan. I don't think Joni is acting like a christian but I think Susie and Johnathan can't disregard Doug as being her husband and being respectful. No Mr. Evan's Joni is not God to anybody even on her show. Susie I love you and Johnathan but you need to leave the show quietly and give all of this over to God to deal with your mom and pray for her eyes to be opened. Mr. Evans is not a counsellor he came in as Joni's little puppet.
That Jimmy Evans person is incredibly controlling and narcissistic. Disgusting display of gaslighting and manipulation. Bravo to Suzy and Jonathan for standing with integrity, honesty, and Godliness. If you, Suzy and Jonathan, happen to read this, just know that your convictions, responses, and boundaries are healthy, respectful, and fair. God bless you and your precious children.
@debb789 he did not make a stand. Just.would.not. He cowered under.the pressure and still got fired in the end. He should have stood up to the abuse and quit. Imo. Just my take on it after listening.
I understand what you're saying about him being very weak but I really feel he was trying his best to respect his mother but also stand with his convictions and honor God. Also when you're being gaslighted, manipulated, belittled and can't get a word in and won't allow you to have 24 hours to pray and seek God's wisdom, that It's possible he could have been in disbelief that those words were coming from his own mother. The language that she used, the tone of her voice and It's her way or the highway coming from those you love is very hurtful and sometimes leaves us speechless. Joanie and Jimmy Evans are horrible people. Bottom line is power and money over family. It's disgusting @@floridagirl5250
@@floridagirl5250 True, but I really think they were ambushed and in a state of shock. I know that's how I would feel if someone I love and trust was speaking to me in that manner. Different personalities respond differently to that kind of negative pressure.
So sad when people use the gospel for selfish game. I hope ministries pull out and people stop giving theier hard earned money to this so called ministry. Wake up people,Joni is a deceiver,the bible was not even brought into this and a pastor that will be non biased instead of a dictator.
I heard two podcasters this morning say they were served threatening legal notices from Daystar. I looked up the meaning of "a cornered animal" and Joni's reaction displays the exact behavior of one: trapped and threatened it'll fight for survival. Great job Julie. God bless you. Thank you for choosing to help this beautiful young family 🙏✝️♥️
They wouldnt let him speak. He has all the signs of an Adult child whose mothers still uses her position to abuse him in submission. Hes afraid of her. I have 3 grown sons and once they reached adulthood I no longer spoke to them from the position of Im ovet you. They are equals in my eyes and I respect their voices that I raised them to have.
@@syphwarrior He is an employee. He should comply. If he can't, then he needs to leave. His wife can do as she please, but not at expense of daystar...
Joni is in the wrong and needs to stop Weaponizing God against her son and his wife. Get over it. Shes just upset they dont suppprt her marriage. The real question is why is it so important to her they read that comment. The issue isnt honor. Its her flesh.
It’s her (Joni) stubbornness which is in her own words idolatry. Shining must not feel free of sin in this marriage and wants validation. Listen to her she “ is the voice of God”!
Doctor 😂😂😂 SEX THERAPIST...couldn't save his own marriage,just looking at the guy makes me cringe..Seriously...A sex therapist...and couldn't hold his marriage together...I think It was This for him...Money and Fame was Stronger than any love he had for his wife of 30 years, this man is a snake.And should not be trusted in the Family Ministry..I don't care Who sanctions it..Jimmy Evans...I have listened to him a bit ,absolutely not interested in anything the man has to say about the Word..Obviously he has been bought....Jimmy Evans is also finished.
Cannot believe what I am hearing. Jimmy Evans is backing Jonathan into making a decision. When Jonathan wants to pray about it. Yes Joni is his mother and his boss, but God comes first in Jonathans life.
I have read comments and it seems like people don’t understand hierarchy and order to ministers. If they don’t want to submit they can go. The only issue with Joni is trying to force her kids to accept her new marriage.
I write from Germany, and I am therapist, and I must say, such a horrible conversation. The first 38 minutes, Jonathan and Susie don't come to speak, they seem very weak to me, and Jimmy Evans and Joni are so dominant, it is really horrible. They don't let the couple speak, Jonathan should speak up for his wife and for himself. His mother is a nonstop dominant person, and she abuses the word of God, also Jimmy Evans. Jonathan and Susie should make their own ministry, and leave this horrible team.There is only one option. "You make what we want or you can leave". And they take verses from the Bible and underline this with the word of God. This is abuse. To honor your parents does not mean that you always must have the same opinion of your parents and that you do not criticize them. But in this mafia, you can't criticize Joni.And I think Daystar will have no future.Please Suzy and Jonatan, stay strong and leave this ministry. You must protect your family and yourself, and you learned a lot, but you cannot accept this spiritual abuse furthermore.
I have been in a situation where I and others were being spiritually abused and we were told by others that were brought in to mediate that correction can only come from above and we had no right to bring accusations against the pastor or his leadership team even though we had evidence that the abuse had taken place. This is just a version of touch not God's anointed or you will be cursed excuse for leaders to do whatever they choose with no oversight or accountability. I am disappointed in Jimmy Evens. I always liked him and have listened to his end time teachings. In fact I am a member but will have to consider whether or not I will continue supporting Tipping Point. I do with one thing he said, if Johnathan and Suzy were opposed to the marriage and it was going to be a hindrance to them in the ministry of Daystar they should have resigned a long time ago. I think what makes this so complicated is that Johnathan is not only an employee, but he is Joni's son. This goes way beyond a business relationship. Joni can't have it both ways, she is demanding honor from Johnathan because she is his mother, but she is standing on her authority as his boss. He is therefore between a rock and a hard place. And where is her respect for him, she would not allow him to answer and give his point of view. That whole conversation was very one sided. Joni was quoting people making accusations and judgments about the situation but would not name names. In a court of law that is called hearsay and can't be used. The mistake that Johnathan and Suzy made was not addressing these things even the abuse issue sooner. If my mother would dismiss me when I told her my child was being molested and try to cover it up I would have left and called the police and never talked to my mother again until she apologized and repented. The issue with the marriage is nothing compared to the abuse of Suzy and the child and how Joni handled that. It is that issue that exposes the wrong spirit that Joni has. That is where I part ways and realize her evil motives.
I agree that Jonathan is weak and is not leading. I'm sorry, but God does not expect us to submit to a parent, a boss, a leader who is asking us to sin or to condone sin. Until Joni and Doug or their mouthpiece shill, Jimmy Evans, state publicly that Doug's wife committed adultery while they were married, I cannot accept that Joni and Doug's marriage is Biblically sound.
TY for your professional input. I agree Jonathan could have taken more of a hard stand, but we must keep in mind that he was brought up from the womb under this authority. I believe Marcus was dominated by Joni, too. It takes a long time to get past that. And he will, once he is separated from that phony ministry. I believe they’re both powerful ppl of God, guided by the Holy Spirit.🕊And they will have a wonderful ministry, if they choose that route. Don’t feel the same about Joni & Doug. At all. They could have easily given that feedback to either of the 2 sisters, who would have had no problem reading it. Seems like an obvious set up, b/c they knew Jonathan & Suzy would have a problem w/it. Go back through the major problems...Joni is at the root of each one. As was Marcus, but now, Dug has taken that mantle. The SA coverups is beyond 🤮🤮🤮. God will avenge that child & her mother. Be sure of it. 👍
Joni says that others at Daystar have had nothing but good things to say about Doug. What does she think they will say when they are in fear of being fired. If this is the way she treats her son I can only imagine what else goes on behind closed doors. My heart goes out to Johnathon and Susy. Pure blackmail. Especially from Jimmy Evans
Goodness sake, Joni rounded up her posse and went after her son with a vengeance! I didn’t like this side of her and as far as Jimmy Evans goes, he shouldn’t have even been there. This was between Joni and her kids!
Wow! Wow! Wow! So now I see what the real Joni Lamb is like! My heart goes out to Jonathan and Suzy and I really admire how Suzy stood her ground with Joni and Jimmy! I can't believe how they bullied these two young people! I think it's awful to make someone say that they have to submit to them. I can't believe what a nasty mouth Joni has! What kind of a mother tells her daughter-in-law that she has her husband by the balls? I will never think of Joni Lamb as a nice Christian lady again!
When someone says to another person, (for example at 58:44 minute mark) I'm not letting you pray about this, that shows their controlling spirit. Prayer should always be welcome. The Holy Spirit will never rush you into making a decision. There's nothing wrong with letting someone seek the Lord for wisdom and guidance. When you're forcing someone to make a decision right now and not giving them time to pray about it, then you know there are evil spirits behind it.
I was involved in ministry with family member once. A staff meeting was held where they said "I need you all to tell me right now if you are with me on the new direction I am taking the ministry in" . I said - I need to pray about this" I was told "I don’t need you to pray about it…I need your decision now" . I told them I couldn’t do it…and left. It was controlling.
They were bullying Jonathan and Susie, and Joni had the freedom to marry, but Doug didn't have the freedom to marry because he had a wife .The Bible says to honor her .
He had no business remarrying. The whole story that his wife abandoned him is a lie! She begged him to stay. She was faithful and all marriages have ups and downs. Truth is..He and Joni were in an emotional entanglement long before Marcus died.
The marriage of Joni and Doug feels awkward the way that it happened Many questions about Doug his timing and motives. But now that it has happened everyone should allow Doug and Joni to live their lives and be happy. Keep them lifted up in prayer hoping for the best and leave the judgment to God.
Especially that man Jimmy! He doesn't even let Joni speak freely. I believe Johnathan is so humble. How does he sit there and listen to Jimmy Evans talk to him like that without getting upset?
ABSOLUTELY. THEY DEMANDED ( AND TOOK) COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE CONVERSATION. This PROVES their having COMPLETE CONTROL of the situation. NO HOLDS BARRED.TOTAL DOMINATION .
The profanity Joni used was so uncalled for, yet Jimmy had the audacity to say she was the voice of God!! This is all so sickening! I will never watch Jimmy Evans again. The arrogance of Joni and Jimmy is revolting.
I couldn’t have sat there and listened to them without all kinds of profanity coming out my mouth! Who do they think are! lol… oh I forgot… they think they are the voice of God 😂. It calls for profanity!
Totally Unbelievable!!!! She marries a sex therapist that left his wife of 30yrs to run after Joni and they are supposed to be overjoyed ??? This is absolutely insane, and Joni cussing like this is absolutely appalling!!! What a hypocrite!!! True colors shown here. She needs to step down. And......the sexual assault on their child is an ENTIRELY separate horrific issue. Joni takes no responsibility. Doing nothing about the son in law !!! Letting him walk off scott free after this poor child's life is marred.
I just can't believe that Joni and the pastor act like a villain with a whole people their son and daughter-in-law I just can't believe it I think I'm hearing wrong@@adrianaanderson6483
I'm sorry, but..........secretly recording means that this can not be viewed as an authentic conversation.....we all behave differently, moderate our words and thoughts when we know there is a record being kept. Jonathan and Suzy were saying very little, and they appeared very careful with the little they said. If you are not happy ay Daystar then leave!! As a daughter in law the energy is off, you don't have to like or respect the new husband, but why do you have to make your feelings known? What exactly has it got to do with you? But to my main point.....they seem more concerned about Doug than their daughter. Why would they continue working for people who would cover up a SA? Why would you go on holiday.....A SECOND TIME....with the suspected perpetrator, even if you had even a small seed of doubt? In their own interview they said they were cautious and made sure their daughter's room was no where near the perpetrator? Really? WHY DOD YOU GO AT ALL? Why would you wait until now to air these grievances? If you had kept your job at Daystar - if you hadnt been given this ultimatum - would you have brought any of these allegations out in the light? I'm just asking for a friend.........
Completely agree! Added to that apparently she was also assaulted in 2017....but carries on working there with her husband for another 7 years, praising her in-laws...but now she is disgruntled.....what????
@tointoin2016 Unfortunately, many will only focus on the SA only, but they made a huge mistake by not walking away then. It does appear that the goal was to secure the top position at Daystar, and when that was no longer available- they changed course of action. Vengeance 🤔
@dahiva1 Yes, I would have walked away a long time ago.....two SAs, one against my child, both covered up.......yet you spoke highly of the in-laws for years....did you see how she spoke about her father in law at his funeral? Nothing but positive comments.........yet after all this suffering and mistreatment....not approving of your mother in law's new marriage is where you draw the line.....really....hot mess.
Joni, it is not Jonathan's job to handle his wife, he is to love her and support her and be head of the home, not handle his wife. Suzie loves Jonathan, they have a very good relationship.
Am I getting this right? Joni wants her son to read a letter that verifies or gives approval of her current marriage.
Daystar doesn't exist to verify anyone's marriage, It exists to magnify the name of Jesus.
Apparently it exists to glorify Joni
Amen!
Amen
@@sabine3769 TRUTH!
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The most important person is the granddaughter who has been sexually abused, I stand in prayer over this little girl.
Agreed.
So who abused the granddaughter?
@@Tjammswhat? Which side ? Not Susie's brother ?
Yet he performs a marriage to a divorced man to joni which is was not on biblical grounds...very hypocritical
Joni and Jimmy are correct about employees needing to submit and uphold the company's goals, vision, mission statement,etc.. It appears Jonathan and Suzy are doing so except their one conviction. A loving mom would honor this considering it is only about reading viewer comments (BTW, only positive ones). My word! Grow up.
Now, Jonathan and Suzy need to show respect and love to Doug, particularly at Daystar.
Joni and Jimmy are manipulative and spoke some things that aren't not good or biblically accurate.
35 years as a pastor does not mean God is still with that person much less God's wisdom.
Amen. I've been saved over 45 yrs. I've seen a couple of pastors with not much wisdom.
God uses teenagers to be great for his work (David), as well as, the elderly (Moses). He was out of line to brag about his decades of marriage experience. God gives wisdom, insight and blessing to the young. The older one, may have stopped listening, or fallen into pride - no blessing from God there. This young couple was not treated well. Disagreement is not disrespect. What Christian says, "no, I'm not going to give you time to pray about it"? God is never in a hurry.
If they have so much conviction then they should have quit but instead they kept their huge paycheck until they were fired. Who gets to treat their boss this way and keep their job for so long?
Exactly @@daringgreatly8473
@@daringgreatly8473how exactly did they “treat their boss” ? Besides the fact it’s his mother and he was on the Board of Directors so he had the right to speak up. There is also a procedure that has to be followed before someone is let go . If you ever had a job you would know this so of course he would get a check until all those legal procedures were followed
Joni created all that chaos with her marriage to a man who divorced to marry her, that was the problem, and can't force jonathan and suzi to accept wrong doing.
I don’t care about their issue with Doug but her burying the molestation of their granddaughter is reprehensible!!!
God’s got a few millstones waiting, if they don’t repent.
Yes, that’s totally it and the part where I think the only part there was a bleep was when she brought up the molester‘s name which is probably Joshua Brown. Forget about Doug the horrific thing they were told to Barry just like Joni is doing right now is a criminal offenseand honestly, I wish Jonathan would get more of a backbone.
Yes! Throughout this conversation Joni continuously represents herself and her new husband as victims.
@@susiek8475or ANY backbone!!
I do. He has so much influence over Joni. Two become one....one spirit. If he has a bad spirit and they "know" one another then that same bad spirit joins her...
I am 70 years old today. I was saved when I was 5 years old. Young man, forget Daystar. RUN! THE LORD WILL CARE FOR YOU.
I couldn’t believe how Joni kept threatening that he was about to get hell! How evil can anyone be?!?
Well you and I should be sisters - maybe twins lol. I will be 70 this December and I too asked Jesus into my heart at age 5. What the wolves today are doing to the reputation of Jesus is so angering and so saddening. I am thankful to the Lord for all the exposure that has happened this year and Lord willing more to come. I worked for Jimmy Swaggart from 2010-2011 and was shocked to see what I saw first-hand there. He too is a horrible wolf behind the scenes and I look forward to seeing what the Lord will expose in those Baton Rouge leaders! The Lord bless you sister/brother, and may He give you the best year yet!
Yes agree
Amen
Amen. The Lord is revealing that which has been concealed, Luke 8:17, and separating the wheat and tares.
This is absolutely psychological, emotional, spiritual, and financial ABUSE.
Yep
Joni, this is EVIL, manipulative, and abusive. Jimmy, how you talked to Jonathan and Suzy is disgusting and abusive. You are Jonis hench man.
Now we know who you both are.
Agree
Also like a spiritual ganging up on her own son and daughter in law, saying she spoke to some other people (what was said? it could have easily been manipulated) so she could force them to simply OBEY her.
Not even close! You have no idea what it is to deal with insubordinate rebellious employees. It is more complicated because it is a ministry and even more since it is a family.
Why is she forcing them to accept her husband? They have a right to feel the way they feel because they have their reasons. She needs to stop blowing it out of proportion. Instead she needs to win them over with Love. She’s the one that’s making a judgement.
Joni was told do that by Tony Evans
She isn't telling them to accept her husband but they're taking that resentment to work and it's affecting the working environment. So as their boss she's entitled to call them out.
@ but isn’t she forcing them to read a letter regarding a positive comment about her husband and their f the don’t they’re being rebellious and have a spirit of witchcraft?
It something behind that marriage..Doug left his wife to get hook up with Joni
@@DietelljExactly!!!
Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson has announced her ministry is leaving Daystar, I hope many more ministry leaders will follow.
I cannot imagine how anyone would want to stay. Not counting Jimmy…who’s on the payroll!$$$
I saw Laura Lynn's video last night, and she has every right to leave Daystar. Personally, I expect more ministries to pull their programs from the network. All of this is making me sad.
Good move😊
@@CFGossettAbbasHealingArts I agree, and all this stems from Suzy being SA'd by a chiropractor Marcus hired and J&S's daughter being SA'd by Joni's son-in-law. They like so many other ministries are trying to cover up CSA and financial malfeasance. Ethnos 360 does the same, many mission groups and churches are in the same boat as Daystar. Our LORD never meant for these mega ministries to exist, this is not the Christianity of the Savior.
Laura Lynn shows godly courage and honesty.
Jimmy Evans is the wrong person to be "shepherding" this discussion. He is the one that gave Joni and Doug approval to get married even tho there were questions. Evans is protecting his "reputation".
That was pathetic when he sat in front of Joni telling her the marriage was ok
Heretic.
Reputation of abusing his wife he talked abt that on his show...so
Bingo
Exactly!
First of all…the foul language from Joni….I know she’s cursing up a storm now this recording has been released….and Jimmy is a bully….SHE IS NOT THE VOICE OF GOD….GOD IS THE VOICE OF GOD…. I agree….her relationship is not about ministry so why they have to read a comment about it is beyond me….I hope this opens up many people’s eyes regarding spiritual abuse and manipulation….I am glad he recorded this to end the speculation.
I do too. It's out there, and just plan sickening. These people come out of the Church of God, Cleveland Tenn.. My husband was raised in that church. For many years they were legalistic. Now they have went to far the other way. We left that denomination many yrs ago. There are some that follow the Sheperding Ministry on submission. That leaders are to be submitted to no matter what. That the leader is "The man of God, and you accept whatever he says. Because as the leader, he hears the voice of God. That's what this whole interveiw reminds me of. It's very cultist.
I was in shock to hear the language she used.
The whole thing is wild….fr fr
The way Joni speaks to her son and daughter-in-law is disgusting. There are too many instances in this recording where I heard the true Joni come out. She speaks about stubbornness being like witchcraft, but how about her own stubbornness?
I am surprised at Joni’s language. Not of God for sure. Sad. But showing her true face.
The wisdom I heard BOTH Joni & Jimmy Evans speak is crystal clear! I'm praying that the division satan has wedged between this family is demolished. HE is bigger than all of this! Praying for all involved ❤
Notice how if someone disagrees with Jimmy Evans he refers to it as "rebellion" and if someone disagrees with Joni it's "witchcraft and idolatry".
Exactly!
Sick
How about the idolatry and pride Joni and Jimmy have in THEIR Opinions.
I am a 61 Year old Mother- and do not tolerate disrespect. But this is Not it.
Joni and Jimmy wake up- ask God to show you your PRIDE
Jimmy Evan is Narcissist disguise as religion counselor. God gives each one of us the gift 🎁 of discernment and believe me he is one of those that doesn't sit well on my spirit.
But nobody asked WHY they don’t like Doug???
@@Free2Dream Because he divorced his wife (of 30 some years) without grounds and married another woman thereby commiting adultery.
You shouldn’t watch a “Christian ministry” channel where the employees job is NOT to talk about GOD but to make their boss happy. At that point it had lost all validity as a Gospel spreading network. Simple.
Day star is a prosperity gospel network and this type of gospel is not biblical. It's nice to here Jonathan and suzi knowing what the bible actually says.
Amen
Johnathan needs to go out and get a job in the secular world to see what life is really all about.
So true you, Johnathan have been living I. A bubble.
When you have left daystar and ther protection and see what it is really .Ike to live your faith, then I think you will know what Jimmy Evans was talking about,
I got from the last part of the recording when your mom was asking for a direct commentment that in reality you now how hard it would be to get another job because of being protected all you life.
The best thing you can do is Leave , believe me it will help you grow up, especially spiritually . You will feel much better about yourself.
Liz, an old lady almost 80.
I had to put my son out of my house when he was 18. No job and no place to live.Guess what in his 30's he came back and thanked me for it.
This is the reason people don't want to follow Christ. Senior people thinking they God...... I love Father God but oh my goodness these 2 is using God for their own benefits
POOR JOHNATHAN
May Jonathan, Suzy and their children be delivered completely from this situation, and establish in a better place.
Amen and Amen!!🙏
Thank you pastor for seeing thru this
@PastorBillyThompson Jonathan should have delivered his own family after Suzie claimed she was sexually assaulted by the chiropractor and then when they claimed their daughter was assaulted too. Seems a little strange to me but that's my own opinion.
Amen and Amen
Yes and amen.
YIKES!! This is deplorable! 😢 Unfortunately, this is a classic example of Spiritual abuse.
Stay strong
Johnathan and Suzy🙏🏼💖
I think it’s a little odd after 30 years of marriage that Doug filed for divorce two months after Marcus passed.
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Same can't believe this.
Well Marcus did cheat on his wife at one time,more to it than meets the eye.
@@shirleywells2087EXACTLY!!! This drama is so carnal; I'm 73 & have dealt with all of these issues & see it as typical life. The immature "kids" need to stop their drama & go get a job elsewhere.
In Africa, they would have said she killed her husband 😂
This was so hard to listen to. The amount of emotional and spiritual abuse in the conversation is heartbreaking.
Totally
Not to mention foul language.
My blood is boiling by this abuse manipulating control .
Get to the real issue. SA of a minor & cover up
My heart is grieved for them.
truly agree
Joni and Jimmy never let these kids finish one sentence.
💕Narcs don’t let people speak 🗣️ 💕👸🏻
Amen let them talk
It was so frustrating.
Jimmy and Joni come across as self-important narcissists.
cz they can't handle or have a defence for the truth out of Jon and Suzy's mouth
She has raised her kids biblically and to believe what the word says. Now, they are trying to live by it and she doesn’t like it because it doesn’t fit her decisions.
Serve God, not the ministry!
The late Pastor Derek Prince always said that when someone is operating in witchcraft, one can always recognize it by three characteristics…manipulation, intimidation and domination. From the sounds of this audio I’m hearing those characteristics coming out of Joni and Jimmy…NOT Suzy and Jonathan. I’m just sick to my stomach. I personally had to repent for being so deceived for all these years thinking Daystar was true Christian broadcasting. I’m so grateful that God revealed the truth and that HE corrects those whom HE loves. May HIS perfect will be done.
You need to listen to Suzy closely. It’s not that difficult to understand - narcissistic attitude!
Amen..
Yes, Joni Lamb is in an adulterous relationship .Period
I can relate and have had to repent for my deception as well with many Christian ministers. We need to look into people more and their doctrines and character-not just anointing and gifts. God is maturing us!
Joni and Jimmy are displaying the spirit of witchcraft
As a Christian marriage counselor, I vehemently disagree with the counsel of Jimmy Evans! So many red flags.
I CRINGED every time he opened his mouth! He boasts about his 40 years of marriage counseling. I would had never pegged him as a marriage counselor, let alone a counselor, while listening to this.
I AM SO REPULSED by Evans counsel!
Disgusting bullying
Jimmi Evan’s has lost all credibility after hiding SA in gateway church. Shame on him
Devilish
@@Horsewoman-pt2ku 💯
She literally fired her kids over not reading a nice fake comment about Doug! Unbelievable!
@@LawandaFinch Joni is also enraged because Suzy wants her daughter’s abuser to pay for what they did!!
Joni’s putting Doug and Jimmy Evans above her own son. I feel horrible for Jonathan. That’s got to hurt deep. May God take control over that Network and have His way.
Why was it necessary that they read that. She knew they don't approve of him. Why didn't she get one of the others to read it. She is being influenced by the wrong power.
Don't tell them you love them BUT!! My idea would be "don't love me" be nice to me.
That works both ways
Who said the viewers comment is fake?
I believe Joni is in a battle with her conscious, and that is why she is pressing for Jonathan and Family to read all the good comments about Doug. She is trying to convince herself she made a right decision with Doug.
I was thinking the same thing!
This is disturbing. It’s frightening to me how the amount of power Joni & Jimmy Evans have granted to themselves. I absolutely cannot imagine siding against my child or children in order to be with someone of “Dr. Doug’s” caliber.
Not to mention what Joni and Marcus did to their 5 year old granddaughter.
@@amisam8176yes despicable
@@amisam8176I’ve only heard of a cover up. If that happened to my child. Evans would shut the hell up and ppl would be in prison when I’m done. But now crickets! Cover up and distraction! A multimillion $ biz!
That's how satan works.
That guy is not a "Doctor" he is a "SEX"therapist..that didn't want to stay in his marriage of 30 years..When Fame and Money knocked on hos door ...he opened it wide..ans Joni let him in..A wolf in sheep's clothing...This is a Blotch on the Body of Christ .and it's being displayed for the whole world to see
For Jim Evans to tell them that Joni is the 'voice of God' is absolutely ridiculous and on the edge of blasphemy. Joni is the mother and boss - and that's it. This really exposes not only Joni, who doesnt even seem to care about her grand daughter, but it also exposes Jimmy for saying such garbage. His ministry has now been exposed. What a disgrace. For those who basically imply that Joni is God which means the boss - you are WRONG. Joni is the boss who is supposed to be accountable to the controlling board. If she was God of DAYSTAR she would have NO accountability period. However, her son made mention that he is on the board and Jimmy just blew him off.
His ministry was exposed a long time ago.
She said the voice of God FOR DAYSTAR! She is the boss. Like it or not.
@ktread8487 you can't be the only one God talks too just because you're the mother n boss. Unless this is not about God leading the ministry. You are wrong if u think like that. That's why we have so many lost souls that are following blindly people n not God.
My Lord???
She curses with no compunction???
Wow, Joni’s foul mouth and Jimmy Evans is a bully! I am praying for Jonathan and Suzy!
Yes....just terrible
I never knew that Joni could be so manipulative and I've lost all respect for her
Very bullying
Exactly. What I was thinking
True!
Joni Lamb and her side kick are on a power trip, using the term submit repeatedly is absolutely demeaning. Wolf in sheep's clothing, no respect for the employee, son that list his father and rightfully has the right hold to his mother accountable for her choices. Everything will come to light. She's the one on a power trip. I suspect she threatened her grandchild. EVERYTHING WILL COME TO LIGHT.
An adult son is capable of making his own decision, and does not need to be bullied into submission by his mother and her husband whom he does not approve of.
His wife is the one bullying that son!!
Is he? He apparently couldn't make any decisions when the alleged S A happened
Not one time did the wife or Jonathan call out Joni in this conversation when Joni mentioned the SA twice. If the SA was really true, I would have told Joni she was lying at the top of my lungs saying the SA didn’t happened. Neither Susie nor Jonathan said anything to defend their daughter!!
@@wwewingsno not really
@@wwewingsshe literally wants them to read a statement praising Doug. Why should she have to that. It’s narcissistic.
Just my opinion, Jimmy Evans really agitated that whole situation beyond repair.
Agree
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56:05 “This is the hill you’ll DIE on.” Wow!
YES!!
Absolutely. I was getting the same impression. Disappointing.
Thanks for getting the story out
They shouldn't browbeat Suzi. Accusing her of witchcraft after she herself has fleeced the public & raced into audultery with Doug is unacceptable. Beware of the deceit & the accusations of the enemy. These slurs on your character iSuzi s unfair. I'm surprized Jimmy Evans is behaving this way. It only cheapens his good image & drives away his followers. I always admired him until now. Trying to back Suzi into a corner & trying to intimidate her is unnecessary.
Marcus told her to not let the kids get away with disrespect yet he disrespected his family for 7 years with an affair.
Marcus was not Christlike. He was all about himself and the money.
Exactly! It wasn't just the affair. There were other women who brought civil suits against Marcus, as well, for se-xual misconduct.
Exactly! The irony!
Yes. 7 years!!!!!
Yep. It's do as we say, not as we do!
Jonathan, thanks for recording this epic spiritual abuse. May God protect you and your family.
Turn fully to Jesus.
pastor jimmys evans is a fraud
@@TCDSH Imagine telling anyone they have to make any decision without praying about it first. They really do see themselves as “little gods”
This is exactly what this is spiritual abuse
Amen!
She’s mad because Suzy didn’t come to Joni’s LINGERIE SHOWER??? How disgusting to even think about participating in something like that with your mother in law???
Eww, just eww.
A Christian lingerie shower ? Was there pole dancing and Beyoncé music also ?
Right!!!!!! So inappropriate!!!
Joni is 60 years plus. I don't even want to imagine her in lingerie.
Joni is totally operating as Jezebel
Trying to force her creepy husband on everyone.
UNLESS Marcus signified otherwise, Jonathan should have been his dad's heir to daystar. Pastor Jimmy should stay out of it. It's none of his business.
Very biased, Jimmy performed the wedding
Marcus did... For years they, Marcus and Joni, said the kids would take over after they passed.
There IS an email from Marcus saying Joni will succeed him if Marcus dies. He said that the children were not ready to lead.
Lol Joni is so insecure about them not reading a stupid note about her new marriage that she recruits Jimmy to basically bully them in this meeting. Pathetic.
1:34:30 there is no new testsment justification for a Christian to file for divorce for abandonment. 1 Corinthians 7:15 says if an unbeliever departs, let them
It’s absolutely wild this letter reading ON AIR is so important they will rip their family apart over it! They are coercing Suzie and Jonathan, and that is witchcraft!
Where there is no conviction of sin there is no repentance. A true believer would not speak or behave as Joni Lamb & Jimmy Evans did in this audio. It comes down to sin & no repentance it opens the door to evil.
Submission is to God, NOT TO DAYSTAR!
Daystar and Jimmy Evans are so Done! Shut it down!!! NOW!!!
My heart cried for Johnathon 😢he said three times " mom i love " a soft spoken man with a humble heart. You are like my son God will take care for and your family. 😢😢
It’s heartbreaking
His wife has him by the balls. Poor guy
@@BibiSarjudeen-k4q so did she
It’s clear she knows Jonathan has a sweet and submissive disposition and she abuses it! Joni is guilty of pride, greed, spiritual abuse, and she will suffer an end similar to Jezebels because she allows the Jezebel spirit to rule in her life. She is Jezebelian in her actions and words.
Yes,God WILL Bless and Protect Johnathan and Suzie 🙏🙏🙏
It was never Joni's money that paid Jonathan and Suzi it was the viewers money.
Exactly
Are you sure that’s the case?
DayStar is in full blown idolatry and is DONE!
It's not the viewer money. The paycheck comes from the company or LLC, whatever they go by.
Another simpleton who thinks employer and employee relationships don't exist because it's a ministry.
Spiritual abuse!! How heartbreaking Joni's pride and insecurity is more important than her relationship with her son. And Jimmy Evans? He is unbelievable! Both are bullies! My heart goes out to Jonathan and Suzi.
The word spiritual should not be used in Christianity. This is not Kabala mysticism.
When Joni says to Suzy “Without Daystar, nobody would know who you are…” that’s so telling. The ministry is not supposed to be about fame. What an interesting choice of words and a reflection of Joni’s heart imo. I suppose she loves her son - she is his mother. But this situation is evident that he isn’t as important to her as her pride, fame, and riches that’s she’s gained from Daystar.
Her and Jimmy said so many unbiblical disgusting things.
Joni is horrible...I can't stand Jimmy...he's so arrogant and prideful...I'm sorry but I do want to see him fall...he needs to be humbled...what a horrible man.
That's what entered my thought process,trying to pressure, showing hardness of heart :-((
Awful.
We are not here to be known, we are here to glorify Jesus and God and Holy Spirit!!
The way Doug divorced his wife and married Joni was suspect. They dont have to read a statement that they dont agree with...period.
@@karie431 very sus, like perhaps they had a relationship already developed
I'm beginning to suspect how Marcus died.
@@karie431 of course. He divorced his wife two months after mark died. That’s suspicious. In January of 2022 he started his divorce and in March of 2022 Joni was building. $4 million dollar home. How fast was that? And they want Jonathan and Suzy to forcefully summit to this man. That’s spiritual bullying. But they’re not talking about the SA that Was done to the grandchild. . Praying 🙏 for Jonathon and Suzy.
@ no that’s a stretch
Yep me too so much for mourning your husband. He moved in on the scene quickly. Divorced his wife . Billed daystar for lavish trips and the wedding now a new home .
Control, Manipulation, Pride, Spiritual Abuse, etc. This is so grievous. I feel like I’m about to throw up (literally). I’m so glad that I didn’t ignore what God showed me while working at Daystar. I left days later.
I agree. This was sickening to hear! The manipulation, control and gaslighting is off the charts. God bless Jonathan and Suzy.
@ very!
You worked there did you feel this going on while you were there ..
Good more like, GOD, for you!!! The spiritual manipulation is off beyond evil with these people!! It is really really good to see all the support for Jonathan and Suzy!!
May God protect them and comfort him for the revelation of who his mother really is. It's VERY disturbing, and this Jimmy Evans guy has no credibility after that display of "guidance" and "mediation!!!!" Talk about witchcraft!
❤ 💯 agree
I have completely lost all respect for Joni Lamb and Jimmy Evans. This is not about God or the ministry that God created through the Lambs. I will never watch or listen to any of these ministers or propaganda shows again. I completely respect Jonathan and Suzy and completely know they are God fearing Christian believers. This video confirms that Daystar is not a Christian network. It is a business , no different from the money changers outside the temple where Jesus overturned their tables for heresy.
Doug is not a godly man I see him as a big fake. God does see!! And Jimmy Evans agreeing with this marriage , is appalling!!
True! We cannot all be wrong!
I pray, in Jesus name that Jimmy Evans will fall from his position and leading anybody in the body of Christ may all be revealed in Jesus name
Everybody but Joni and Jimmy See's him as a fake, extremely dishonest and repulsive at best! Sounds like they're the ones being led of the devil and their fleshly selfish desires!
Joni is Jimmy's boss . He wants Daystar platform.
Opportunist, wanting a platform at her expense! Where is her discernment as a "minister"??
Submission means accepting her new husband? How manipulative!!! Give them time!!! Stop forcing them into accepting an adulterous relationship. Manipulating the word of God. So glad Suzie is standing on her convictions
How is it adulterous? Isn't her husband dead?
@@shannontederoff3026 Joni is free to marry but not someone with a covenant spouse. Doug high-tailed it to the divorce court once Marcus died. He dumped his wife to marry Joni. This makes their union adulterous.
It this meeting they had been married just 1 month. Not time enough to get to know doug
Suzy can and should go work some place else. This is Joni's business corporation.
@shannontederoff3026 Doug Wiess abruptly divorced his wife of 30 years to run after Joni....it's Doug Wiess who has caused the adulterous marriage
That is so ridiculous that Joni Lamb expects an adult son to form this great relationship with her new husband. That in itself is delusional!
They just had to give a viewer comment. Not have a relationship with him.
@@kathyhogan4182 she also stated in multiple meetings that she wanted her son to work on his relationship with Doug Weiss and this is what my comment referenced; the DayStar viewer comment was a different issue, anybody could have read that viewer comment, mandating her son do it was her attempt at manipulating her son and controlling the narrative regarding her relationship to Doug Weiss.
Especially since if Joni dies first Doug as spouse is main heir and gets Daystar…Jonathan is literally is trying to protect his families legacy.
@@kathyhogan4182That’s like saying just read this positive comment about abortion if you are prolife. By reading that positive comment your are endorsing that sin. Jonathan believes Doug who left his wife of 30 years and his mom are adulterers. And Doug is set up as spouse as main heir and he gets Daystar is Joni were to die first.
@kathyhogan4182 YEAH, A 'A VIEWER COMMENT', most likely FABRICATED, by joni? In her DESPERATE, BLINDED, SEX/GLAZED, ATTEMPT, To PRESENT doug, as EVERYTHING positive, that he IS NOT!@@ HOW CAN A MOTHER CHOOSE A man??? Over her FAMILY!?@😢
It's amazing that Jimmy Evans, keep saying he has 41 years experience in the ministry. However, he lack discernment about Doug. All the information which is coming out about him now. I would never listen to any advise from Jimmy Evans.
Why was Joni so hell-bent on having that letter read by Jonathan and Suzy? It was force. It was ego. Why didn’t she just read it on her Table Talk show and be done with it? This woman is prideful and mean.
It’s all about Joni. And when Marcus was alive, it was all about them. They never listen to who is being abused. I saw that in person.
Because she wants the marriage validated
She could even have asked some other child of hers to read it.
Joni was trying to force them by manipulation, intimidation, and domination to read the viewer’s comment of Doug for validation from them… even if it wouldn’t be from their heart. Joni knew how they felt about Doug and still forcing them… M.I.D. Are characteristics of a JEZEBEL using witchcraft.😢
@@oliverkent8429 yes, validated by a fan who wrote the letter. It had to awfully important to have that particular letter read on air around the world. She needed it to be read obviously. Wow!!
The amount of times I gasped while listening to this! 😮 My prayers are with the family and ministry but especially with Suzy and Jonathan. 🙏🏽
They keep telling Jonathan he’s insisting on his way and that’s wrong. While Joni is insisting on her way.
Yes 1000%!!
Exactly! Her and Jimmy Evans are trying to impose their will on Jonathan and Suzy.
What’s interesting is that think they are right and is asking for the same type obedience as we give to God. Did not Daniel asked if they could not partake of the wine and meat. Do we not give way for weaker brethren so they will not violate their conscience. If she wanted her children to accept Doug she should have fostered that relationship before she married him.
@ That, and to think you deserve 100% obedience is insane. I want people to obey God, not me. Otherwise I’m held responsible for what they do in obedience to me if it defies God. And I don’t want that.
Joni is the boss, in any other job, u listen to the boss or goodbye
Why would Joni insist on Jonathan and Suzy give praise for her new marriage to her new husband. I realize it was a viewer who said it but if she wanted the praise of Doug read she should have done it herself and not expected her son to do it for her. Doug is not his father and jonathan therefore is loyal to his biological father.
This is heartbreaking. Forcing them to approve of their relationship? The absolute bullying? OMG!
It was hard to listen to and to say these are Christians? Hard to tell apart from quoting a book from John Bevere and a scripture or two!Such a shame! You can’t force them to support your adulterous relationship Joni? She can’t do what Joni wants. Jonathan and Suzy’s Job is to talk about God not you and nor Jimmy. You are losers!
There's TWO separate relationships here...they are family AND they are employees!! If they wanna carry on working at Daystar they need to submit!! The Word of God tells us!! Period!! Its a spirit of rebellion and bitterness they both have!! It's plain to see!!
@claudiacorvi2286 Would you have submitted to someone bullying/ forcing you to do something that your convictions are against?
@@dominiquebraithwaite8252 No, Then they need to quit, and find somewhere else that fits their convictions.
@@light-r8b Easy for you to say. Have a great day and God bless.
Joni and Jimmy display all of the characteristics of cult leaders. “Disobeying Daystar = Witchcraft.”
Thank you for your video last night about Joni's adulterous union with that huckster. Enjoyed it. Too many unbiblical divorces and remarriages in the church
They are both disgusting
@@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch wow...and she did say that.
Johnathan and Suzy just leave because Daystar gonna eventually be destroyed joni not God hello cult lol
Don't submit Jonathan and Suzy joni didn't to you when your molested and she tried covering up the molestation
Joni is so hostile and dismissive. Poor Jonathan! He and his family has taken a big step. May God protect them.
I agree….hes prob dealing with death of his father and his mother now has lost his mother
The passed deceased president carried himself as a little mild and a tad bit sweet to me which is why Joni maybe was able to stay in the game. It’s under new management now and envy has a place at the table. If a woman has no place of authority in America then the question being asked is…Joni, what you doin here???Her husband gave her the spot is the answer!!
He is having to deprogrammed himself from the fact it’s his Mother too . Proud of him for being a Man protecting his family. The nerve of Evan’s telling him to submit to her as if god. Bible says he’s is a man who submits only to God now that he has a wife.
What about the boundary that Jimmy took when he announced Doug to the whole world that Doug’s ex was abusing him…I have No respect for Jimmy Evans…
Praying that Suzy and Jonathan will be fruitful in another ministry…
@@lizh7845I knew it wasn’t true when he said it. There is something very off about him. Opportunist.
Jimmy Evans felt so confident that God was blessing this marriage and then recommended Doug sign a pre-nup?
Prenups are condoning divorce …
Wow.. she has a strong spirit of manipulation. She spokes curses over them by speaking that they are going to catch hell. If her husband was a good man she would not have to use manipulation or fear tactics to defend her marriage. He was such a good son and showed her respect and honor despite her actions. God bless you Johnathan
We break those curses in Jesus name.
Exactly! She is highly ocultic and a soceress, she kept on cursing them & their children & bloodline. As Jimmy was in agreement, they were ritually binding them. Can you imagine the spell she directly pit on her granddaughter, when she demanded that only HER, Joni, privately, meet with her? Since then, the girl, completely became shut in, reclusive, stopped playing, never said anymore to her parents and became terrified of any man, including her dad, touching or hugging her. Joni is EVIL. This is high level satanism. Remember, both her own father & husband were serial adulterers and fornicators according to publicly recent court filings that have now been reposted that Daystar had cleared up from the internet. The cases were against SA by Daystar young employees, against Daystars own Marcus lamb, 7 years adultery & Joni's father SA against a young female staffer. Rachel, their daughter too was SA. This family is clearly Luciferian to extent that they all lock horns to cover up for Rachel's husband alledged SA to Jonathan & Suzys daughter? Social services should also check the alledged brother in laws 2 children, thst is Rachels children. Suzy was SA by Daystar chiropracter & Joni & Marcus, covered up. ALL this high level of SA, in just 1 family! Then enters into the family, a recovering sex addict aka Doug Weiss, new husband to Joni! This is a horror family!
HE was taping it!!! Do you think he would cop an attitude on tape!!!?? HE KNEW what he was saying was being recorded!
Oh wow, I literally just made this exact comment! About the girl being summoned to talk to her alone, and then how she came out afterwards completely different, shutdown, and, suddenly does'nt even remember the things that were done to her, I said THAT IS STRAIGHT WCRAFT. PERIOD.
As soon as I heard that part on another podcast last week I said hold up!- Did I just hear that correctly?? I rewound and listened to it again and I IMMEDIATELY said THAT GIRL HAD WCRAFT PUT ONTO HER! Also, I just now thought of something.. the name of the company, daystar.. wonder if it really means the morning star... @@NeemahKing-pm1gq
@@NeemahKing-pm1gq Omgoodness! While reading your post, I could hardly keep up with all of SA incidents! This is despicable! Especially for the poor child! When did anybody in the camp have time for God's work?!
Joni is demanding she be praised on network TV. The Bible says it is not honorable to seek your own honor. Such pride.
''God is no respecter of persons" Acts 10:34 Someone read this to Joni.
Exactly what I was hearing and thinking. This should be a NON issue for Joni. NOTHING Godly about her attitude/ beliefs.
@@digitalwasabi2 What's the big deal about reading a comment?
Jimmy Evans saying ‘I know abuse when I see it’, then continuing to bully these two young people,,,,,just wow
The man is confused
Mr . Evans, stop the bullying of these two people
You are wrong to try and force this couple to interact with joni new husband
There's always tension when you combine 2 families.
This guy is twisting the conversation.
No WONDER Joni is confused and abusing anyone who doesn’t agree with her! She is backed up by the council of Demons!!
Seriously Jimmy??? "FEEDING EACHOTHER"
You and Joni are. FEEDING eachother.
Jonathan AND Suzy are MARRIED...they have EVERRY right too feed off EACHOTHER!!!😮
I listened to this and then I looked up Instagram. Did you see what Joni Lamb posted two days ago? She said it had to do with Jonathan not being voted as president. Now I definitely see why this was released. Thank you, Roys Report.
Saul was directly disobedient to God not man. Stop taking scripture out of context. I. So disappointed with Jimmy Evans.
What you and Joni are doing is witchcraft. Forcing g them to do things against their own Conscience. This is so so sad
Yes... Contradiction!!
Jonathan is a spoiled boy that is sure that one day he will control the empire called Daystar. He goes to college and meet a gold digger called Suzy. Jonathan is ugly, boring and unattractive what confirms the gold digger hypothesis. Jonathan lures Suzy with promises of success and fame. Everything is going fine until his sisters start participating in the company and married talented, handsome and adorable husbands. Even the parents like them. Suddenly Jonathan and Suzy start feeling threatened and feeling jealous. His show with Suzy has very low rates what increases the jealousy. One day during a family vacation an ordinary incident may have happened, and Jonathan and Suzy saw an opportunity to blackmail the family and try to regain relevance. The black mail backfires and then after a while they realized that the only way to regain power was to construct a story, inflating an incident, to try to move the competition out of the way. That is where we are now. Gold digger Suzy and non-talent Jonathan decided to play dirty and try a " I don't get it; they don't get it " game. Remember that "who is hurting wants to hurt". This is a typical case of jealousy and fight for power. Shakespeare teaches all the ingredients in this story.
@@npbjw3112 she's a liar.
There is a whole lot
More to all of this.
They don’t have to honor your husband Joni. The situation is very complicated . You married somebody else’s husband. That’s is not of God.
Thank you for letting me know that
@@karenmorgan2185 Whoever says, 'I know Him,' but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person” (1 John 2:3-4)
@@karenmorgan2185 "Whoever says, 'I know him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person” (1 John 2:3-4)
@@karenmorgan2185 Whoever says, 'I know him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person” (1 John 2:3-4)
Well said,Jonathan is hurt he should have been taking his dad's place in the ministry...Although I wouldn't call it a ministry, Joni and Doug should be ashamed.
Cussing and comparing her son to her new husbands children??? Brutal.
My jaw dropped when I heard that
Yeeeeaaaah
Joni when you chose to not protect your granddaughter..you rebelled and gave them no choice but to go public
@@Kingdomadvancers7So right! And Jimmy ?Is he also on the payroll?Please let me know!it’s an honest question
I agree
Horrible
Why does Joni have to force them to read the comment? Let someone else read it.
Its that easy!
I will never listen to Jimmy Evans again! WOW! Thanks for sharing this!
Absolutely
Me too...
He is soo creepy, Money Boss Joni
Me too
Jimmy is so controlling! I have no respect for him for what he's standing for! Just wow!!🙏
Every time they say "submit" remember that, very early in the conversation, it was established that "submission" in this context refers to submitting to the will of Joni Lamb OVER the will of God. So every time it sounds like Jimmy and Joni are kinda making a point with the "you won't submit" thing, just remember they aren't talking about submitting to God; they're talking about submitting to the god of Daystar BEFORE God.
And that's mind-boggling!
@heartlights ....I agree with you. Clearly, Joni doesn't respect Suzy. I stopped watching Daystar and TBN earlier this year. When I did watch it. I could see the uneasiness on the show.
Listen when Jimmy said you don’t do what God says but you do what Joni says blew my mind!
@@heartlights Absolutely! You put it right into perspective.
Yezzz! DEMONIC👀
He is grieving the loss of his father, what happened to his daughter, and now his mother treating them this way.
Jonny love so much her second husband than her children maybe better they separate.
@OneONoneShowcase-zx2vg
I agree 100%..He misses hia daddy!
@@OneONoneShowcase-zx2vg no they rude and disrespectful. All Joni is asking is for them to also acknowledge her husband. The script they supposed to read is back to you Joni and Dough but these two hardheaded refuses to do so. I mean Joni is the boss do what she requested or quit or get fired. It is biblical for her to put her husband first.
Jonathan needs to grow up. The wisest thing he could ever do would be to submit to his mom. But he won't. He can't stand up to Susy.
@@OneONoneShowcase-zx2vg it’s so sad for him such a loving son husband and father
The spiritual abuse on the part of Joni Lamb and Jimmy Evans is despicable.
But why is it so important for Joni to have a viewer's comment validating her marriage, read on TV? It has nothing to do with the show or what God is doing through the show! The fact that this has become such a big issue for Joni to call this meeting is dramatic and unnecessary, just because she wants her marriage validated on TV, to drown out all the negative comments who disapprove of her marriage!
Because she's a narcissist
What about the rape of Suzy & their daughter?
@AJ-vf2vf exactly. It's so stupid to create such a big issue (on her part) out of this. It sounds like the whole issue for her is that they won't agree with her marriage to Doug, and you would think, being within her inner circle, they'd know more than we do, and not even they agree with it. Says something. She's trying to use her kids and friends to promote and support her marriage.
Exactly
Because Joni needs Jonathan and Susie to come along side the marriage because I believe deep in her heart, Joni knows it's wrong.
Joni cussing and telling them to step down. Joni needs to step down. And jimmy you should not be involved in this.
I don’t believe Joni is the one that is hard hearted. The more I listen to this the more I disrespect both her and Jimmy Evans. As they accuse these kids 3 fingers are pointing back at them
Joni is demanding worship and validation of everything she does - and if anyone dare focus on Christ instead of her, she’s not having it. Daystar shouldn’t be about singing the praises of Dougie. This is spiritual abuse: for Joni and Jimmy to say Joni is the voice of God at Daystar, is just reprehensible if not blasphemy.
I am is shock with her language😮
No one is perfect!! Lol I can understand why she got upset..if they don't agree they should have quit long ago...suzy is annoying
@@MandyJones-fy3nq Me also.
The saddest part is this is his MOTHER. A Mother who hid the molestation of her Grandchild and is determined to do loose her relationship with her son. It’s disgusting. This is a cult and this is bullying. Good for you Susie & Jonathan. I can’t imagine the great courage it took to stand up to the bully.
Joni definitely has developed in her “40” years of ministry a spirit of jezebel
They didn't stand up....he submitted and Suzy who said she didn't have permission from God to quit at the same time she said she was there to serve God but then also said she was convicted about not reading some comment about Doug from a viewer??? Made ZERO sense. If either of them had any conviction in anything they'd have stood up and walked out and should have certainly vacated upon finding out their own daughter was sexually abused.
Is Jimmy Evans GOD... I THINK NOT !!
She loves more her new husband than her son.
Submit to God not to men,!!
Im glad they recorded this, we need more of this, had they knew “bet they would have spoken way differently “ but ain’t it the real them? Behind closed doors
Forcing someone to respect a Bully is Sickening.
You are correct it’s just sickening
Yes it is! Listening to this is sickening
What's SICKENING is that Jonathon is secretly taping his mom behind her back, without her knowing. As if they are trying to get their mom to say something they can use against her, to take her down from Daystar so that he, Jonathon and his wife Suzie could take over the Daystar Network, Why else would they be secretly taping his own mom. I think that is evil and shameful.
@@valeriemcgill5511no, it is not!!!!! It needs to be aired... People need too see how mean these two...are..
@@valeriemcgill5511 they had several mtgs before and it sounds to me that they taped this mtg so their words can't be twisted or used against them.
Jimmy is being a bully period. They should hv had an independent, unbias arbitrator. Joni is being egotistical. I pray GOD will shine a light onto this darkness in this ministry.
Thank you for airing the ENTIRE recording. Most people only cut clips that feed their opinion. Hearing this in its entirety makes a difference.
i agree with you. if they worked for any other company they would have also had to submit to the rules but it seems the whole scenario is a personal one as far as Jonathan and suzy struggling to accept doug. family issues are complicated
@@MW-fq4ld No They are trying to force them to accept marriage. In a job I am not forced to accept my Sr mgmt spouse… that should not come up.. they do not have to validate that marriage… for the record it is sin. It is adultery….
@@MW-fq4ldexactly. If you wolf for an independent company who have no say. I don’t think Jimmy and Joni are wrong. Unfortunately the new generation have lack of respect for authority. Joni asking for her to read the viewers comment has nothing yo do with her feeling about how she feels about him. That young lady is operating in a Jezebel spirit
Why should Joni have to beg for respect ?????
@adryanbillups3409 i am not critiquing their relationship to the marriage i am solely standing on the point that is you work for a co, you have to submit to the manager/boss and sometimes you have to do what is part of the job wether you like it or not. i am not taking sides i understand how difficult this marriage of joni is for them. im leaving it to God to judge He knows their hearts and motives.
I think its absolutely rude to keep cutting Jonathan off as grown man trying to speak his truth, this really makes me upset.
ABSOLUTELY
What she said to Jonathon about being happy to have Doug in the family because “I want my grandchildren to have a man in their lives.”
It's like Jonathan is seen as a child...even reading that scripture about "a child", when he's a grown, married man.
They were completely fair with Jonathan and Suzy!
Jonathan is not a child.
Jimmy Evans should have not been the one counseling them, because he was in agreement with it from the beginning.
Wow… wow… wow… speechless!! This speaks volumes!! The ABUSE in this meeting is ASTOUNDING!!
Absolutely agree the abuse is unbelievable! The swearing of Joni shows who she is and what she is like behind the scenes!
If you know "employment laws" they are in insubordination because as "employees" of Daystar they are refusing to do what their manager is asking based on their personal feelings.
If they were at Fox and refused to read or do with the station manager asked, they would not be around.
Suzy is running that marriage. I pray they do get justice for their daughter if the allegations are true.
@@boxesbinslidsllcI don’t agree they are in insubordination. You can still keep your convictions no matter where you work. Same as what is happening now as freedom of speech. Just like saying the bible is a ‘hate speech’ and if you are in the secular world. That doesn’t mean you throw that out, as a Christian and mind you.you are still within the conviction and constitution. That aside this is a so called church or a so called Christian TV and her family -her son!definitely abuse . Sin is sin! Joni is an adulterous relationship with Doug-Period! You can’t force them! Joni should be repentant Will be praying for them all especially Jonathan and Suzy
@@daisies4444 Hypocrites like you are rumor mongers.
I don't see any abuse. Both sides are being manipulated by satan. I don't think Joni is acting like a christian but I think Susie and Johnathan can't disregard Doug as being her husband and being respectful. No Mr. Evan's Joni is not God to anybody even on her show. Susie I love you and Johnathan but you need to leave the show quietly and give all of this over to God to deal with your mom and pray for her eyes to be opened. Mr. Evans is not a counsellor he came in as Joni's little puppet.
That Jimmy Evans person is incredibly controlling and narcissistic. Disgusting display of gaslighting and manipulation. Bravo to Suzy and Jonathan for standing with integrity, honesty, and Godliness. If you, Suzy and Jonathan, happen to read this, just know that your convictions, responses, and boundaries are healthy, respectful, and fair. God bless you and your precious children.
Jonathan was verrrry weak.
@@floridagirl5250 He was trying to be cordial and kind as he was being abused.
@debb789 he did not make a stand. Just.would.not. He cowered under.the pressure and still got fired in the end. He should have stood up to the abuse and quit. Imo. Just my take on it after listening.
I understand what you're saying about him being very weak but I really feel he was trying his best to respect his mother but also stand with his convictions and honor God. Also when you're being gaslighted, manipulated, belittled and can't get a word in and won't allow you to have 24 hours to pray and seek God's wisdom, that It's possible he could have been in disbelief that those words were coming from his own mother. The language that she used, the tone of her voice and It's her way or the highway coming from those you love is very hurtful and sometimes leaves us speechless. Joanie and Jimmy Evans are horrible people. Bottom line is power and money over family. It's disgusting @@floridagirl5250
@@floridagirl5250
True, but I really think they were ambushed and in a state of shock. I know that's how I would feel if someone I love and trust was speaking to me in that manner.
Different personalities respond differently to that kind of negative pressure.
Thank you Julie for having the courage to expose this. Prayers for Jonathan, Suzy and family
So sad when people use the gospel for selfish game. I hope ministries pull out and people stop giving theier hard earned money to this so called ministry. Wake up people,Joni is a deceiver,the bible was not even brought into this and a pastor that will be non biased instead of a dictator.
I know of a ministry that got out, she did a video and she explained n expressed why. Hope others follow suit!
When did Tony Evans take over. He seems bewitched by Joni. .
Joni is raising herself as GOD!
Why didn't Joni pray for Doug's wife Lisa?
This is literally so sad... And I'm only 12 minutes in listening...
Soooooo sad..... Can't even imagine how sad our Father's heart is 😢😢😢
I heard two podcasters this morning say they were served threatening legal notices from Daystar. I looked up the meaning of "a cornered animal" and Joni's reaction displays the exact behavior of one: trapped and threatened it'll fight for survival. Great job Julie. God bless you. Thank you for choosing to help this beautiful young family 🙏✝️♥️
Torn Curtain was one, who is the other?
Who was served?
@@donnaleveron5711 Sean, from Revealing Truth
@@CJA-ig1eb Yes, Torn Curtain and Revealing Truth
They are over the target
Jonathan was not arguing. He was asking valid questions.
He was constantly interrupted.
They wouldnt let him speak. He has all the signs of an Adult child whose mothers still uses her position to abuse him in submission. Hes afraid of her. I have 3 grown sons and once they reached adulthood I no longer spoke to them from the position of Im ovet you. They are equals in my eyes and I respect their voices that I raised them to have.
Why won’t they let them talk
This was all one sided
They wouldn't even let him speak
@@syphwarrior He is an employee. He should comply. If he can't, then he needs to leave. His wife can do as she please, but not at expense of daystar...
Joni is in the wrong and needs to stop Weaponizing God against her son and his wife. Get over it. Shes just upset they dont suppprt her marriage. The real question is why is it so important to her they read that comment. The issue isnt honor. Its her flesh.
Flesh for sure .. don’t hurt poor Doug!
@@cinhenry that’s “Dr.” Doug to you!😉😂😂😂
It’s her (Joni) stubbornness which is in her own words idolatry.
Shining must not feel free of sin in this marriage and wants validation.
Listen to her she “ is the voice of God”!
Amen!
Doctor 😂😂😂
SEX THERAPIST...couldn't save his own marriage,just looking at the guy makes me cringe..Seriously...A sex therapist...and couldn't hold his marriage together...I think It was This for him...Money and Fame was Stronger than any love he had for his wife of 30 years, this man is a snake.And should not be trusted in the Family Ministry..I don't care Who sanctions it..Jimmy Evans...I have listened to him a bit ,absolutely not interested in anything the man has to say about the Word..Obviously he has been bought....Jimmy Evans is also finished.
Cannot believe what I am hearing. Jimmy Evans is backing Jonathan into making a decision. When Jonathan wants to pray about it. Yes Joni is his mother and his boss, but God comes first in Jonathans life.
Suzi's Job is NOT to talk About God, Her Job is to "PLEASE" Joni???!
What the HECK.
I heard that too 😢
Noneeeeeesense 🙂↔️🙂↔️🙂↔️
To be honest there is a hierarchy. Rather people like it or not she’s in charge of the ministry they submit to get she submits to God.
I have read comments and it seems like people don’t understand hierarchy and order to ministers. If they don’t want to submit they can go. The only issue with Joni is trying to force her kids to accept her new marriage.
@@momdadandsonsservices6047 I did I think they are both wrong but at the end of the day if they feel convicted they should leave as they did.
I write from Germany, and I am therapist, and I must say, such a horrible conversation. The first 38 minutes, Jonathan and Susie don't come to speak, they seem very weak to me, and Jimmy Evans and Joni are so dominant, it is really horrible. They don't let the couple speak, Jonathan should speak up for his wife and for himself. His mother is a nonstop dominant person, and she abuses the word of God, also Jimmy Evans. Jonathan and Susie should make their own ministry, and leave this horrible team.There is only one option. "You make what we want or you can leave". And they take verses from the Bible and underline this with the word of God. This is abuse. To honor your parents does not mean that you always must have the same opinion of your parents and that you do not criticize them. But in this mafia, you can't criticize Joni.And I think Daystar will have no future.Please Suzy and Jonatan, stay strong and leave this ministry. You must protect your family and yourself, and you learned a lot, but you cannot accept this spiritual abuse furthermore.
Jonathan is weak and Suzy wants to be the man in the relationship. The rest of what you wrote is wrong.
I have been in a situation where I and others were being spiritually abused and we were told by others that were brought in to mediate that correction can only come from above and we had no right to bring accusations against the pastor or his leadership team even though we had evidence that the abuse had taken place. This is just a version of touch not God's anointed or you will be cursed excuse for leaders to do whatever they choose with no oversight or accountability. I am disappointed in Jimmy Evens. I always liked him and have listened to his end time teachings. In fact I am a member but will have to consider whether or not I will continue supporting Tipping Point. I do with one thing he said, if Johnathan and Suzy were opposed to the marriage and it was going to be a hindrance to them in the ministry of Daystar they should have resigned a long time ago. I think what makes this so complicated is that Johnathan is not only an employee, but he is Joni's son. This goes way beyond a business relationship. Joni can't have it both ways, she is demanding honor from Johnathan because she is his mother, but she is standing on her authority as his boss. He is therefore between a rock and a hard place. And where is her respect for him, she would not allow him to answer and give his point of view. That whole conversation was very one sided. Joni was quoting people making accusations and judgments about the situation but would not name names. In a court of law that is called hearsay and can't be used. The mistake that Johnathan and Suzy made was not addressing these things even the abuse issue sooner. If my mother would dismiss me when I told her my child was being molested and try to cover it up I would have left and called the police and never talked to my mother again until she apologized and repented. The issue with the marriage is nothing compared to the abuse of Suzy and the child and how Joni handled that. It is that issue that exposes the wrong spirit that Joni has. That is where I part ways and realize her evil motives.
It is a cult
I agree that Jonathan is weak and is not leading. I'm sorry, but God does not expect us to submit to a parent, a boss, a leader who is asking us to sin or to condone sin. Until Joni and Doug or their mouthpiece shill, Jimmy Evans, state publicly that Doug's wife committed adultery while they were married, I cannot accept that Joni and Doug's marriage is Biblically sound.
TY for your professional input.
I agree Jonathan could have taken more of a hard stand, but we must keep in mind that he was brought up from the womb under this authority.
I believe Marcus was dominated by Joni, too.
It takes a long time to get past that.
And he will, once he is separated from that phony ministry.
I believe they’re both powerful ppl of God, guided by the Holy Spirit.🕊And they will have a wonderful ministry, if they choose that route.
Don’t feel the same about Joni & Doug.
At all.
They could have easily given that feedback to either of the 2 sisters, who would have had no problem reading it.
Seems like an obvious set up, b/c they knew Jonathan & Suzy would have a problem w/it.
Go back through the major problems...Joni is at the root of each one. As was Marcus, but now, Dug has taken that mantle.
The SA coverups is beyond 🤮🤮🤮.
God will avenge that child & her mother.
Be sure of it. 👍
Joni says that others at Daystar have had nothing but good things to say about Doug. What does she think they will say when they are in fear of being fired. If this is the way she treats her son I can only imagine what else goes on behind closed doors. My heart goes out to Johnathon and Susy. Pure blackmail. Especially from Jimmy Evans
I agree. Bullies! Can you imagine Jesus acting this way?
@@judymcintosh1975 but the counselor was totally against it!
Goodness sake, Joni rounded up her posse and went after her son with a vengeance! I didn’t like this side of her and as far as Jimmy Evans goes, he shouldn’t have even been there. This was between Joni and her kids!
Wow! Wow! Wow! So now I see what the real Joni Lamb is like! My heart goes out to Jonathan and Suzy and I really admire how Suzy stood her ground with Joni and Jimmy! I can't believe how they bullied these two young people! I think it's awful to make someone say that they have to submit to them. I can't believe what a nasty mouth Joni has! What kind of a mother tells her daughter-in-law that she has her husband by the balls? I will never think of Joni Lamb as a nice Christian lady again!
@@loisc6930 Jimmy Evans 😂
A GOOD AND GODLY MOTHER. WILL NEVER DO THINGS LIKE THIS TO THEIR SON
Jimmy Evans changes the Bible to suit this marriage
well he performed the ceremony so naturally he wants everyone to fall in line
Yep that was sickening. He did not dare challenge him
Stinks to the highest places!
I completely agree this is spiritual abuse 💯
Jimmy had to protect her since he preformed the marriage.
When someone says to another person, (for example at 58:44 minute mark) I'm not letting you pray about this, that shows their controlling spirit. Prayer should always be welcome. The Holy Spirit will never rush you into making a decision. There's nothing wrong with letting someone seek the Lord for wisdom and guidance. When you're forcing someone to make a decision right now and not giving them time to pray about it, then you know there are evil spirits behind it.
Good poont!
Sorry, point
I was involved in ministry with family member once. A staff meeting was held where they said "I need you all to tell me right now if you are with me on the new direction I am taking the ministry in" . I said - I need to pray about this" I was told "I don’t need you to pray about it…I need your decision now" . I told them I couldn’t do it…and left. It was controlling.
Yes I agree. Not even giving him 24 hours?? CONTROL and DOMINATE was the agenda. This is beyond heartbreaking.
Wow, most definitely. Still listening and haven't gotten to that part.
They were bullying Jonathan and Susie, and Joni had the freedom to marry, but Doug didn't have the freedom to marry because he had a wife .The Bible says to honor her .
No they were not
More like visee versa
He had no business remarrying. The whole story that his wife abandoned him is a lie! She begged him to stay. She was faithful and all marriages have ups and downs. Truth is..He and Joni were in an emotional entanglement long before Marcus died.
@@Amy-oo7oq where are you getting your info re: Doug's ex wife Lisa? has Lisa ever spoken out? Please include your sources for this info.
The marriage of Joni and Doug feels awkward the way that it happened
Many questions about Doug his timing and motives.
But now that it has happened everyone should allow Doug and Joni to live their lives and be happy. Keep them lifted up in prayer hoping for the best and leave the judgment to God.
Listened FULLY with open arms.....In a court of law&most importantly, in God's Kingdom Court, Suzy&Jonathan need prayer. 100%
Notice how both of them, Joni & Jimmy did not let either one of them talk...they did all the talking!!
They had already made up their minds…
Especially that man Jimmy! He doesn't even let Joni speak freely. I believe Johnathan is so humble. How does he sit there and listen to Jimmy Evans talk to him like that without getting upset?
ABSOLUTELY. THEY DEMANDED ( AND TOOK) COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE CONVERSATION. This PROVES their having COMPLETE CONTROL of the situation. NO HOLDS BARRED.TOTAL DOMINATION .
That was so telling of the domination!
Yep!
The profanity Joni used was so uncalled for, yet Jimmy had the audacity to say she was the voice of God!! This is all so sickening! I will never watch Jimmy Evans again. The arrogance of Joni and Jimmy is revolting.
Agree with you 💯
It’s easy to turn a deaf ear to profanity if it comes from your biggest tither.
@nanajanwalker Please. Gossiper. No profanity.
I couldn’t have sat there and listened to them without all kinds of profanity coming out my mouth! Who do they think are! lol… oh I forgot… they think they are the voice of God 😂. It calls for profanity!
What profanity?
😲 My jaw is on floor listening to this. ON THE FLOOR!!
Amen, Jewel. Mine as well!
Me too !!😮
Totally Unbelievable!!!! She marries a sex therapist that left his wife of 30yrs to run after Joni and they are supposed to be overjoyed ??? This is absolutely insane, and Joni cussing like this is absolutely appalling!!! What a hypocrite!!! True colors shown here. She needs to step down.
And......the sexual assault on their child is an ENTIRELY separate horrific issue. Joni takes no responsibility. Doing nothing about the son in law !!! Letting him walk off scott free after this poor child's life is marred.
Shocking but not surprising!Joni, her husband and Evans are cruel!
I just can't believe that Joni and the pastor act like a villain with a whole people their son and daughter-in-law I just can't believe it I think I'm hearing wrong@@adrianaanderson6483
I'm sorry, but..........secretly recording means that this can not be viewed as an authentic conversation.....we all behave differently, moderate our words and thoughts when we know there is a record being kept. Jonathan and Suzy were saying very little, and they appeared very careful with the little they said. If you are not happy ay Daystar then leave!! As a daughter in law the energy is off, you don't have to like or respect the new husband, but why do you have to make your feelings known? What exactly has it got to do with you? But to my main point.....they seem more concerned about Doug than their daughter. Why would they continue working for people who would cover up a SA? Why would you go on holiday.....A SECOND TIME....with the suspected perpetrator, even if you had even a small seed of doubt? In their own interview they said they were cautious and made sure their daughter's room was no where near the perpetrator? Really? WHY DOD YOU GO AT ALL? Why would you wait until now to air these grievances? If you had kept your job at Daystar - if you hadnt been given this ultimatum - would you have brought any of these allegations out in the light? I'm just asking for a friend.........
Absolutely! They were careful because they needed these recordings to expose 1 side only.
Completely agree! Added to that apparently she was also assaulted in 2017....but carries on working there with her husband for another 7 years, praising her in-laws...but now she is disgruntled.....what????
@tointoin2016 Unfortunately, many will only focus on the SA only, but they made a huge mistake by not walking away then. It does appear that the goal was to secure the top position at Daystar, and when that was no longer available- they changed course of action. Vengeance 🤔
@dahiva1 Yes, I would have walked away a long time ago.....two SAs, one against my child, both covered up.......yet you spoke highly of the in-laws for years....did you see how she spoke about her father in law at his funeral? Nothing but positive comments.........yet after all this suffering and mistreatment....not approving of your mother in law's new marriage is where you draw the line.....really....hot mess.
These people are out of their mind, I agree with johnathon and Susie standing their ground and their principles
Horrible people! Joni and Jimmy are scary!!!
WOW! She is cussing and so manipulating! It is very much bullying. She's the "voice of God to you"????? That is ridiculous.
Very sad
Re: comment: Yeah; Isn’t that just something else? Cursing & manipulation…Yeah let’s sell this as being a good Christian huh?! Right! Nope 👎
The exact same thing I was thinking.
I am not even halfway through this recording and I am totally dumbstruck, speechless! My Jesus!!! Lord have mercy!!!
Do not know why Jonathan and Susie bother to talk to joni and Evans!
@ednamacquela7982 i could only watch til like 26:35 cause at the 26 minute mark tonight called Jimmy babe when he was arguing with johnathan
Joni, it is not Jonathan's job to handle his wife, he is to love her and support her and be head of the home, not handle his wife. Suzie loves Jonathan, they have a very good relationship.