Advantages of Converting to Propane...
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- This video gives some of the advantages in switching to propane rather than gasoline. Advantages including environmental, economical, and political.
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Todd I'm Hank Hill Asst. Gen. Manager at Strickland Propane Arlen TX and I approve this video.
taste the meat not the heat
@@EnpuerKT Yes.
So you sell propane and propane related products?
@@silverwindspirit I am proud to sell propane, and propane accessories
@@hankhill4254 charcoal is better. Lol
My 86 Dodge ram has a factory propane system and the engine has bin running strong for 30 years with all original parts
James Broadfoot have you been running it on propane for that time? I’m curious as to how the wear and tear compares to gasoline
Yep. Propane truly is God's gas.
Amazing
I worked for a place that had propane delivery trucks - years ago. I remember them saying that they had to change some sort of gaskets because propane ran 'hotter' and damaged gaskets. Other than that, I think they were quite happy with the trucks.
I want propane in a van because I would like to branch off to run the appliances all off the same tank - maybe with a reserve tank to make sure I don't strand myself by cooking breakfast, :D
Why are we all running our cars on gasoline made from expensive overseas oil, and then selling them our cheaper propane?
I had ZERO confidence in my country's politicians to do what is right for our country before watching this video, and somehow, I have even less now.
This goes for all politicians.
Well this is America. Love her or leave her, son.
@@hankhill4254 That would be a good question for J K 's Congressman to answer.
@@JackSquat54 I'm inclined to think he'll agree with me.
This aged well. 😆
11 years later and same answer. Joe Biden.
I'm an Australian and I've been running LPG (propane) dual fuel vehicles for ten years. I absolutely swear by them and have had all my vehicles converted. We seem to have a far healthier autogas industry here than in America, which is strange because America has enormous supplies of gas too.
Your propane industry is vastly inferior to the United States
@@hankhill4254 Autogas propane is big in Europe, i wonder if Autogas will make a come back in north america ? If gasoline keeps going up , propane might start looking better and better ?
@@hankhill4254 you're covid far superior too.
Have either of you even heard of King of the Hill?
Your engine will last longer because there is very little if any carbon build up unlike gasoline in engines. This is also the reason you can go twice as long between oil changes.
The extended oil changes is more due to the reduction in acidic byproducts.
Yes.
Would moisture as a bi product create rust issues?
@@westonchurch7624 Probably not because your engine and exhaust get hot enough that moisture would evaporate and not condense until it exits the exhaust.
The potential for lower maintenance costs makes propane a popular choice for high-mileage vehicles. Propane's high octane rating, combined with its low-carbon and low oil-contamination characteristics, has resulted in improved engine life compared to conventional gasoline engines. Cold-start problems can often be reduced as well. This is because the fuel's mixture (propane and air) is completely gaseous when entering the engine's combustion chamber, and propane engines do not require an enriched fuel mixture during cold-weather startups the way other, liquid-fueled engines do. Propane has a lower BTU than gasoline but its overall better.
But I can guarantee everybody one thing, just like diesel did, if more people go to propane, the price will go thru the roof.
Well that's supply & demand son, just simple market economics.
@@hankhill4254 Its called volume discount, which seems to apply to everything except fuel at the pump.
If you do have propane have it fitted as a duel fuel if it's a 4X4 if you go off road. Here in Australia most people are moving away from propane and even the taxi indersty because of the Prius and the Hybrid Toyota Camry and others are diesel. I have seen a LPG (Propane) Hybrid Camry as a Taxi here in Australia.
I knew a guy here in the States who had his diesel truck outfitted with propane ALSO. He was curious as to how much more power he would get running them simultaneously.
It was a big mistake. The answer was ' way too much power '. It shut down the engine. It seems the head started pulling the studs out of the block.
I live in EU, LPG propane is very popular here, density doesnt matter, i use in city 8-10 liters of lpg gas for 100km , while runing my car on gasoline i waste 7-8l per 100km, but while i am on propane i drive uneconomical because its cheaper(twice) 1 liter propane 1$ while 1 liter of gasoline 2$, and if you like driving fast, you wont feel much difference in consumption, LPg wastes almost same amount of fuel every time, no matter how you drive, while petrol can eat twice the amount
Hwat?
Propane has a shelf life of over 20 years, ethanol gasoline about 6 months.
Actually you lose a little mileage if you use LPI (liquid propane injection) or use a vaporizer using hot water from the heater hoses. LPI stays pretty close in MPGs to gasoline. Propane doesn't burn with as much BTU as gasoline. SO you lose a little power too. However at 10,000 miles between oil changes and the fact that LP engines can go a million miles there are savings.
Hey if you run high compression dont they even out ?
@@luckyPiston not really. That would lead to other issues. And not many people can afford to pull the engine and get custom pistons made
@@Shadow0fd3ath24 Flat tops and steel shim head gaskets are a pretty cheap an doable, that i'll get ya around 10 ta 1 in a 350, and if ya throw on a set a 305 081 castings now you're at 11 ta 1 , you can get even more if ya start with a 400.
I can't think of any issues you would run into with high compression propane ?
propane is the same price as gas....
the oil companies will NEVER give us a break.... NEVER !!!!!!
where I live its cheaper by the gallon abought 34%
Fuck net But does a gallon of propane run your car for as long as gasoline?!
It might be cheaper but it needs to be transported in pressure containers and leaks can be fatal, as well as fast loss of pressure or heat exposure. It's harder to move.
+smithy smith smith Its also a byproduct of the petroleum industry, its separated from the fuel along with other gases so it isn't really a standalone alternate energy source, just another branch of the same industry.
Until we start moving away form these non-renewable energy sources we pay for instead of self sustaining and renewable sources we don't have to constantly refuel the climate affect and our industry won't change.
I mean its only several years off because we aren't dedicating all our resources to the next power source, if the petroleum industry was interested in more than just profit they could spend 5% of their wealth and instantly establish solar/wind/hydro pylons in every major city and power our whole goddamn country.
+smithy smith smith in europe its about half the price so theres a benefit of using propane in europe. Even if it burns more propane its much cheaper anyway.
I can confirm that LPG (Propane/Butane; mixture depending on region and season of the year) contamines the engine oil much less! 😃👍
I had it in my '07 Toyota Prius Mk II from 2008 to 2020 or from 42,000 km up to 384,000 km.
The engine oil was new and clear like cooking oil after 15,000 km and was moderately dark after 26,000 km.
LPG (port injection) makes the engine run smoothly and even more silently. 😉
sweet lady propane.
Yep
Yep.
@Bill Dauterive Bill what are you doing here
In my country we have decades using it in public transportation and it is very economical, juat make sure you give proper maintenance to your vehicle and it'll be fine.
There should be a saving as some countries start implementing Carbon Taxes, Propane has less carbon as a byproduct so it should be taxed less if at all ?
Does anyone know the average miles a car can drive on a tank of propane let's say a 10 gallon tank
here in Belize this has been a big thing and is getting bigger, since the government charges so much on fuel, we are paying up to $7US per gallon of fuel sometimes, and propane is only $2US, hence the reason why everyone is buying these big f150s and putting a 30gal lpg tank in the back of it.
Propane and CNG both protect the lower end of the engine, while causing slightly more wear on valve seats and stems. However, engines made for E85 ethanol will do just fine.
Make a kit for small blocks. Give us a few recipes for what valves, dynamic compression ratios and igniton timing curves work based on the type of vehicle its going in, Ill be your first customer for my daily driver squarebody.
I've got a Tahoe I use for work that runs off propane and fuel. It runs a lot rougher on propane, has a bad idle, doesn't like the cold or humid weather and dies on me. On fuel I was getting around 15 mpg and on propane I'm averaging 9. I have not seen any advantage on propane however I'm sure roush has a better product then what I have.
I live in Italy where propane and methane powered vehicles have been used for at least since the 60's. I have a '79 Ford van (1.6 liter) that has been adapted to run on propane. I have to admit it runs pretty rough. While propane is cheaper you have to burn more of it to get the same mileage. The main advantage here is the cost of propane vs. gasoline.
With respect, your Tahoe sounds f****d son.
I live in a city with a population of 200,000. We have 6 propane stations which regularly compete on price.
It's hardly difficult to get, although it does take a *little* bit of planning if you're going on a trip (you only get 500 kms per tank, and nowheresville with just 1 station probably won't have a propane station). Of course, you can keep the gas system installed and select, so you can still get back home in those cases.
I don't know where you found hardened plastic gas tanks, but if they're on Fords, I will change to Daihatsu or something with steel tanks.
In your country you must still have leaded gasoline and most cars using it, because that's about the last time VSR happened due to propane. As for 25% fewer mpg, absolutely true with a carbed system. With an injection system, closer to 15%. Propane here is under half the price of gasoline. Even if it were the same price, I'd buy it over gas because it's cleaner AND has severely reduced road taxes. Always feels nice to give uncle sam fewer $.
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One litre of gasoline contains the energy equivalent to 8.9 kWh of electricity
1 Litre of propane = 7.08 kWh (kilowatt hours)
Hence 1litre of propane has 7.08/8.90= 0.7955056179775=+-80%of the energy that gasoline has. So, unless propane is considerably cheaper than 80% of the price of gasoline it’s a no brainer that there is nothing to be gained. Also consider the conversion cost, loss of power under full acceleration (-20%!) and that huge tank you have to stick somewhere there are more cons to pros to running propane. I had a dual fuel system car and finally ripped it out.
I live in Canada and just called a local fuel station that carries auto propane. Feb 6 2021: Propane $1.09/liter. Regular Gasoline $1.32/liter, 1.09/1.32=.828=82.8%. It now costs more to run on propane than gasoline and idiots up there keep saying how much less it cost to use propane but they never do the math to figure out costs per kilometer. That money you want to spend on converting to propane can be much better spent on beer.
Your the idiot if you think fleet vehicles are being converted for no savings, I converted my motorhome to propane and was getting 7mpg now on propane its closer to 10mpg. because of the higher octane engine compression and spark advance makes it more powerful 240hp compared to 300hp now. Not only that but propane is 65%the price of gas here so get a clue before you call people idiots you fool.
sir lobsterman yr comment ..propane.k..US company sempra energy has plant ...huge in mexico couldnt get permits here in US..its about 35 miles past border..also we trade refined gasoline for unrefined gas from mexico..alot of people dont realize this
Quick question, so if I bought a used propane powered mini bus, and utilized as a personal recreation vehicle (Camper) per se .. would I need a special license to KEEP and DRIVE the vehicle?
Do you have a DIY kit, I'd like to add this to my jeep
Ok Hank Hill
Yes
If something punctures that propane tank would it not blow up? If something punctures the plastic gas tank it would just leak everywhere.
+drummerben04 propane wont blow up or catch on fire unless there is a spark, the same as gas. plus its harder to puncture the propane tank deep in your trunk. esp as a LPG dual fuel gas/propane car.
Well, you can also cut a custom fit foam resistance barrier to aid in fire/spark intrusion.
Also, the tanks are super tough. The fittings would be the weak-point, if even a concern.
Hi, I have a 2013 for expedition max converted to propane, should I use a special engine oil to help protect the engine.
doing something like that now but with the hydrogen set up. helped gas on my carbed motor but did nothing to my fuel injected one.
Can you use biogas and/or hydrogen in an LPG converted car? 🤔
just run a line of propane into the carb as far as you can get it to go and somehow hook the propane valve up to the gas pedal
Zip ties should work, just run the lines through slinky's first and be sure to have an exorcism performed on the entire system by someone named Maria as well.
ok you all are talking about propane on fuel injected engines. how would i do this on a carb?
BUT, and there is always a but. The more that use it the quicker the price will sky rocket, and that is not to mention the price for a new vehicles has already gotten out of hand.
question well double can vehicle be converted to run on both gasoline or propane ....also...will or would help dodge that carbon footprint tax coming up...based how many miles driven
.does this apply to propane...?????
Hank Hill would be proud
What the price ?? And it's safe ?
I do not care about the carbon dioxide output. I have been toying with making the conversion anyway. I want the increased range, lower fuel costs, and more power.
Is there a power advantage?
No, propane has about 27% less energy per unit then gasoline. I used to have a dual fuel pickup truck, but I ran it almost always on propane. Sometimes I would switch to gasoline on the fly at the bottom of a hill if I had a heavy load and wanted more power. Even though it is less energy dense it still offered savings since it was 40% cheaper then gasoline. I figure then it was about a 13% savings in fuel taking in account the energy density. Definitely found I had to put my foot down harder on the accelerator compared to gas. Looking at purchasing another propane pickup now.
@@WildernessGuyBC do you still need a fuel pump since its pressurized? And can you use force induction to help make up for the power lose?
What is the total cost for F150 100 liter tank or 50 liter
and the MPG is ?
I know I am 6 years a bit too late but it's around the same if a little bit worse but propane is almost 40% cheaper than petrol
@@A--lex depends on the area, some places it can be half the price or less
i'm in for it... because i am not getting an EV...
i love what i have and not going to get rid of them..
my car will run on this then i am all for it..
Why don't anyone try hard enough host boxes for regular propane tanks with newer and modern technologies?
Idkbman
What is mpg?
Miles per gallon.
One gallon of LPG has 73% the energy of a gallon of gasoline. 84,250 BTU/g compared with 128,488 BTU/g diesel and 112,114 - 116,090 BTU/g of gasoline.
Lizzy Cooz I used to experiment with alcohol in my car and I noticed that alcohol has less BTUs per gallon and you could tell the difference it was less powerful with the alcohol.
This weekend I'll be driving a van that has natural gas and gasoline and it's supposedly has an automatic switch over and I'm going to see weather the gasoline shows more power than the LP gas.
When a kilogram of propane burns, it releases 49.6 megajoules of energy. When a kilogram of gasoline burns, it releases 46.4 megajoules of energy.
Is there any way to safely transfer propane from a cylinder to a car’s propane tank?
Use a gas pump
I'd convert my car tomorrow if there was incentives from the government to do so.
I would like to sell propane and propane accessories for cars, if my grades are good enough.
JENDALL714 lmao s1 e3
IN Germany we get cheap solar panels or wind mills and we recharge our car.
There is no nobler profession in America.
Where to buy parts. I need injector is leaking
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Hey Fazi, Give us a call at 800-59-ROUSH and select the ROUSH Cleantech option.
Europe is not a country.
I doubt the ecological advantages of propane. I'm absolutely on the side of its economical benefits. Question - can your system theoretically be fueled up off of a home natural gas main, or does one *have* to use propane specifically given the variable composition of home cooking gas?
@@wolfschindler8921 I'm aware of that
He said countries (plural) *in* Europe.
can both gas and diesel engines run on propane?
bhearts77 yes
Diesel is better especially with propane or cng
Ok I understand the savings... But you need to make it clear... 1 gallon of propane is not equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline. The energy density is not the same. Diesel has the highest energy density of the bunch. Overall... you're going to have to fill up more often than a comparable diesel tanker would.
can you convert a small car to run on propane say a ford fiesta?
jay Crain yes
Yes, as long as it has a gasoline engine.
Yes technically you can, but what is more important, you should do the maths first so as to go for it or not😊
There is not infrastructure for propane, and it is expensive you said 30% less that petro, rarely? Lets convert all current petro machinery to propane and see demand and supply ratio, and then compare the price, I do not what I am talking about, but feels like it I am analyzing right.
I’ve heard you need a special license to drive a propane vehicle
Is there any truth to that
ROUSH Cleantech may be able to answer that question better. Most propane conversions they do are buses and fleet vehicles, which do require varied licenses.
@@RoushPerformance Quick question, so if I bought a used propane powered mini bus, and utilized as a personal recreation vehicle (Camper) per se .. would I need a special license to KEEP and DRIVE the vehicle?
UPS has road tractors that run off of propane, and they gross 80k pounds !! No brainer!!
This guy has a black eye.
Whoa ! hold your horses ! Back this train up. About 3 minutes into the video, you claimed propane reduces carbon monoxide emissions by 60%. Is that 60% less then a gasoline engine ?
Gasoline engines with modern emission controls do not produce ANY carbon monoxide at all. It may produce a carbon dioxide, which is an inert, harmless gas necessary for plant life, and some water vapor. Carbon monoxide was from the old dinosaur cars of several generations ago. Produced by a car that was not properly maintained and tuned.
It is hard on valve and valve seat and smell like a shit. Go tesla
can't get any heat out of them in the winter...bad choice
Complete and utter false information right there. In the UK, loads of cars have been running on LPG (propane) for well over a decade now, and 'getting heat out of them' is zero problem. ROUSH is one of the world's leading tuning companies. You really think they'd fit these systems if they didn't work? No.