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Rewatching The Queen Who Ever Was (a poor title, btw), it’s not that awful. But the fact it was going to be the season finale, it had tons of expectations to deliver and viewers wants spectacle and fireworks. Not saying it was a great episode. It wasn’t. Daemon seeing the White Walkers or saying winter is coming in High Valyrian only annoyed viewers because it reminded us on how badly Game of Thrones ended. The worst scene was the Alicent selling out her two eldest boys. Um, why the change of heart after only 5 episodes later? Didn’t she accidentally start a war from misinterpreting what Viserys said? She’s a bad mother, a hypocrite, traitor, and she’s dead weight. This scene reached Game of Thrones S8 stupidity. Had it just been an Episode 8 of a 10-episode season, it wouldn’t be looked upon as that awful with the exception of that White Walkers callback and Alicent appearing at Rhaenyra’s doorstep I just mentioned. I think Ep. 8 is about par to Ep. 3, 5, and 6. Nothing really happened. It’s about a 6 or 7 out of 10 but since it’s a finale with higher expectations, people will grade it a 5 or lower. Season 2 was a step back from Season 1. While we did get some great episodes specifically 2x4 The Red Dragon and the Gold, great acting in 2x2 Rhaenyra the Cruel, and more dragon fun in 2x7 The Red Sowing, half of it sorta meandered and went nowhere. Character development didn’t improve with the exception of Aegon and giving Helaena more to do. Simon Strong ended up the most likable new character over Hugh, Ulf, Alys, and Jeyne, but it mostly comes from his reactions than anything he said. I wanted more out of the Velaryons and got nothing. We saw Corlys mostly stand next to a ship having a conversation with his wife, one of his bastard sons, or Rhaenyra. Similar to Daemon, he too was stuck being filmed in one location. I wanted more out of Baela and Rhaena and got nothing. And Jace is supposed to be the Robb Stark of this series but I still didn’t get anything out of him that would make me feel emotionally attached to him. He mostly comes off as a whiner. Why did we need 6 episodes of DaemonVision? Yes, he’s coping. And yes, maybe there is a payoff to this after he dies next to Aemond. Don’t blame me because Helaena is spoiling everything. But why so many episodes only to come to the same conclusion? Daemon already bent the knee to Rhaenyra in 1x10 The Black Queen! We didn’t need to rethread this story again for an entire season! Now let’s get to Alicent…. 🤦🏻 First off, Olivia Cooke is a fantastic actress. One of the best in the cast. Matt Smith and Olivia are two of the top three in billing. All we got out from Daemon in S2 is tripping balls. Having a bad mushroom/acid trip in a haunted castle. All we got out of Alicent is her having sex, dissing Aegon again that led him to getting drunk and getting charcoaled by his brother. And if Alicent wasn’t having sex or being useless, she’s taking a bath or dipping in a pond or having awkward scenes with Rhaenyra. Matt Smith and Olivia Cooke could’ve been used sparingly this season perhaps appearing in only 4 or 5 episodes but the writers pushed them to do nonsensical things to pad the runtime of these hour-long episodes and to give Daemon and Alicent something to do. Turn Daemon into a loser “husbuncle” to Rhaenrya and deadbeat father because he’s still thirsting for the throne when he’s damn near 50 and have people like Alys Rivers and Oliver Tully dunk on him when he is supposed to be the most dangerous man in all of Westeros during this time. Aemond is supposed to fear his uncle. Daemon is not supposed to fear his nephew. Is Daemon becoming Jake Skywalker from The Last Jedi? Make Alicent into the shittiest character next to Criston Cole and make her a hypocrite, turncloak, and possible kinslayer? She’s now a worse mother than Cersei! She lost her grandson and she’s willing to sell out two of her sons? And she’s utterly USELESS at this time. As unlikable as Criston is, he can fight. While Alicent can’t even protect all her children from a war she “accidentally” started! It’s either sex or baths from her and that’s all she does. Whichever side you’re on whether Team Black or Team Green, or if you’re not on either side and think HOT D is mostly rich white people’s problems and you think they’re all bad (except Helaena and the dragons), we all got to admit the character development from both sides was lacking. I rewatched S1 prior to S2 airing and there’s a noticeable difference in quality. S1’s worst episode might be 1x6 The Princess and the Queen thanks to some rushed plot points and the time jump, but even that is better than half of Season 2. And 1x6 was written by Sara Hess but directed by Miguel Sapochnik. Sara Hess: White man bad! Make woman look good and heroic! Daemon is no Paul Rudd and is a terrible person! Down with the patriarchy! Down with toxic white man masculinity! And let’s add a lesbian kiss scene with Rhaenyra and Mysaria because I’m a lesbian! Nice, we got another Leslye-bian Headland from The Acolyte over here. An activist. Not a writer and is pretending she read the books. Losing Miguel Sapochnik was a big deal. He directed some of the best episodes from Game of Thrones. Ryan Condom and Sara Mess will ruin it with their fanfic nonsense. Again, if we didn’t get this ridiculous scene where Alicent is selling out her sons and Ep. 8 didn’t have the burden being the finale with higher expectations, it’s not that terrible. I even enjoyed the Abigail Thorn scenes when “they” joked about eating human flesh and asking Tyland to have children with “them”. Awkward pause from Tyland got me laughing 😂 as he looked obviously confused before Sharako mentioned about “their” wives. Oh well, let’s hope S3 is the “action” season. S2 is the “filler” season. S1 was the “setup” season. The Battle at Rook’s Rest was still great though even with some changes to it and that’s probably where most of the S2 budget went to. S3 should start with the Battle of the Gullet. The craziest naval fight we may ever see. As disappointing as S2 is, you know damn well you’re still tuning in for S3 in 2026 the moment you can see it. Let’s just look at S2 as a mulligan thanks to some cost cutting decisions and strikes. The Age of Ultron of the four Avengers movies. Not truly awful. A mixed bag with a few merits. Marvel, Star Wars, and ThroneVerse, the more they all want to expand their deep lore with so many different projects coming from different creators with varying visions to their lore, the more diluted the lore becomes. GRRM said they have 7 different projects in the works. It’s going to grow stale like what happened to MCU and SW. GRRM is already 75. His lore will get more diluted after he dies because it’s no longer coming from him but from several hack writers. Look at Disney Star Wars. It’s become a trash brand and George Lucas isn’t even dead yet. Tolkien will be rolling in his grave again when The Rings of Power S2 comes out. Be excited for House of the Dragon Season 3 and 4, but don’t get too excited knowing there’s going to be changes we all have to live with. Look at HOT D Season 2 this way: Still better than most MCU and Star Wars series on Disney+. Even at it’s worst, HOT D S2 remains better than The Mandalorian S3, Ahsoka, The Acolyte, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Book of Boba Fett, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Echo… Let’s wait 10 more months for A Knight of a Seven Knights. To some who only want to see dragons from these type of medieval fantasy shows, it may not be appealing to them. But the Dunk & Egg series with only 6 episodes should keep Burlington Bar busy with their awesome reactions in Chicago next year. A Song of Ice and Fire is truly headed to where MCU and Star Wars already are. Another IP trap filled with diluted quality. Star Wars no longer excites their fans. Just another visit to McDonald’s. Luster wore off years ago.
The only scenes that upset me is when dragons die. The people are all wastes of flesh and I don’t really care for/relate to them but the dragons are amazing and it saddens me when they die. Who in their right mind feels any sympathy for Aemond. He is responsible for his actions and he hasn’t done a positive thing throughout his entire life. Dying is the best thing his character ever achieved.
I got too attached to Rhaenys and Meleys making their deaths that much more tragic, but the true tragedy is how many people aren’t appreciating the slow-burn elements of this season. If it’s all tension and action all the time, we won’t delight in the calm moments. There’s a difference between having cake (wanting a balance between action/tension and calm) and eating it (wanting all action/tension and no calm), if you get my drift.
my feelings about this season would likely be very different if episode 9 was the battle of the gullet, episode 10 is the fallout and response - but it simply was too short of a season to offer as little as it did; the quality of the episode 8 Rhaenyra/Alicent conversation was NOT the type of dialogue that was seen throughout the season...the decision to spend so much time on such odd things IE daemon, the lead up and length of the mudfight, etc, as opposed to spending more time on things that would have made the season a slow burn such as profiling more of the small folk so that when the red sowing came we didn't all know IMMEDIATELY who was going to get a dragon vs who wasn't, there was just a lot wrong with this season. is it season 8 GoT? no. But it's ceiling is "fine". thank you for entertaining the obnoxious length of this :P
The slow burn was wasted on alot of harrenhal scenes and other scenes that didnt progress the plot all that much. Slow burn wouldve been appreciated in season 1 to get to really know more about alot of these characters. Instead we got a time skip. Pacing whiplash is this series problem. Unlike Rhanerys, i had attachment to Viserys as an example. She has potential in my eyes but again, not enough time spent with her honestly.
@@DJSpinczarYes. Being use to characters who we emotionally invest in getting killed, I was half expecting either Hugh or Ulf not to have made the cut & the offended dragon going turncoat. Also developing little Jaehaery's character would've made his death more impactful. His superficial development With "the horse ride" virtually telegraphed his impending death.
Aside from how this entire thing is *utterly destroying* poor, innocent Haelaena, the fight where Rhaenys/Meleys lost their lives was especially devastating, and not just because Rhaenys was my favorite character. Seeing the bonds between Aegon/Sunfyre and Rhaenys/Meleys before they have to take them to war is so sad. Seeing what Aemond did to his brother and his brother’s dragon was awful. Seeing Sunfyre change positions as he is falling, so he won’t crush King Aegon when they land was heartbreaking. But to me, seeing Rhaenys resolutely deciding to fight Vhagar, that huge, ancient beast, and then seeing when they ultimately lost to Vhagar/Aemond was almost too much. I’ve read the book, so I knew they’d not survive… but seeing Meleys, The Red Queen, turn her head to stare at her rider as she died, and then seeing the effect it had on Rhaenys, and then the look on her face as they fell to the ground beneath, completely crushed me. However, I think one of the saddest things about this fight was that, at the end, we have two dragons fighting who had very special bonds before Aemond claimed Vhagar. Meleys was bonded to The Queen Who Never Was for many years, and at one time, Vhagar was the mount of her daughter, Laena. Before that, these two dragons had an even closer relationship, as they were the mounts of King Viserys and Prince Daemon’s parents, Baelon (Vhagar) and Alyssa (Meleys). So, seeing these poor dragons forced to fight each other to the death is especially devastating. 😭💔
@@caronstout354that moment was hardly tragic. It was a pretty normal birth. But it was cruel of Alicent to demand to see the baby before the placenta was even out.
Love this series, loved this season ❤❤ For me, the deaths of Viserys, and Rhaenys and Meleys, were gutting 😭😭😭. Just wish we didn’t have to wait 2 years for more!
I never read the books. I did watch GOT so I was used to those dragons and I love the dragons. I was a little shocked and saddened to find out that the dragons would viciously fight one another. Silly, maybe, but I really didn’t expect it.
Don't bother, most people lack the intellect to enjoy the show for what it is. It's not some stupid action shit, it's a serious drama in a fantasy setting...with incredibly rewarding character arcs.
For those who find Aemma's death upsetting, please don't work in the medical field as she was going to die anyway regardless (the child would not have survived without said intervention and would have taken the mother with them), it was the only means of attempting to save one life rather than neither.
@10:00, “shocking stuff, unlikely to forget it soon.” I’d agree, except the baby’s grandmother forgot in the season finale😅 Tragic list and great series otherwise
@@gevorg1989 I mean when they talk about exchanging their son’s lives as a debt to be paid, it would’ve made sense for at least her grandson murdered by Blood and Cheese to get mentioned. But I guess maybe not
@@gevorg1989 fair enough I guess, still seems pretty odd that she didn’t think to mention it if they were doing a “son for a son” sort of idea when her grandchild was unalived
What worse: Season 2, including the god awful finale, or the fact that GRRM is never going to release another book? I think secretly everyone knows he’s never going to put out another one.
Rewatching The Queen Who Ever Was (a poor title, btw), it’s not that awful. But the fact it was going to be the season finale, it had tons of expectations to deliver and viewers wants spectacle and fireworks. Not saying it was a great episode. It wasn’t. Daemon seeing the White Walkers or saying winter is coming in High Valyrian only annoyed viewers because it reminded us on how badly Game of Thrones ended. The worst scene was the Alicent selling out her two eldest boys. Um, why the change of heart after only 5 episodes later? Didn’t she accidentally start a war from misinterpreting what Viserys said? She’s a bad mother, a hypocrite, traitor, and she’s dead weight. This scene reached Game of Thrones S8 stupidity. Had it just been an Episode 8 of a 10-episode season, it wouldn’t be looked upon as that awful with the exception of that White Walkers callback and Alicent appearing at Rhaenyra’s doorstep I just mentioned. I think Ep. 8 is about par to Ep. 3, 5, and 6. Nothing really happened. It’s about a 6 or 7 out of 10 but since it’s a finale with higher expectations, people will grade it a 5 or lower. Season 2 was a step back from Season 1. While we did get some great episodes specifically 2x4 The Red Dragon and the Gold, great acting in 2x2 Rhaenyra the Cruel, and more dragon fun in 2x7 The Red Sowing, half of it sorta meandered and went nowhere. Character development didn’t improve with the exception of Aegon and giving Helaena more to do. Simon Strong ended up the most likable new character over Hugh, Ulf, Alys, and Jeyne, but it mostly comes from his reactions than anything he said. I wanted more out of the Velaryons and got nothing. We saw Corlys mostly stand next to a ship having a conversation with his wife, one of his bastard sons, or Rhaenyra. Similar to Daemon, he too was stuck being filmed in one location. I wanted more out of Baela and Rhaena and got nothing. And Jace is supposed to be the Robb Stark of this series but I still didn’t get anything out of him that would make me feel emotionally attached to him. He mostly comes off as a whiner. Why did we need 6 episodes of DaemonVision? Yes, he’s coping. And yes, maybe there is a payoff to this after he dies next to Aemond. Don’t blame me because Helaena is spoiling everything. But why so many episodes only to come to the same conclusion? Daemon already bent the knee to Rhaenyra in 1x10 The Black Queen! We didn’t need to rethread this story again for an entire season! Now let’s get to Alicent…. 🤦🏻 First off, Olivia Cooke is a fantastic actress. One of the best in the cast. Matt Smith and Olivia are two of the top three in billing. All we got out from Daemon in S2 is tripping balls. Having a bad mushroom/acid trip in a haunted castle. All we got out of Alicent is her having sex, dissing Aegon again that led him to getting drunk and getting charcoaled by his brother. And if Alicent wasn’t having sex or being useless, she’s taking a bath or dipping in a pond or having awkward scenes with Rhaenyra. Matt Smith and Olivia Cooke could’ve been used sparingly this season perhaps appearing in only 4 or 5 episodes but the writers pushed them to do nonsensical things to pad the runtime of these hour-long episodes and to give Daemon and Alicent something to do. Turn Daemon into a loser “husbuncle” to Rhaenrya and deadbeat father because he’s still thirsting for the throne when he’s damn near 50 and have people like Alys Rivers and Oliver Tully dunk on him when he is supposed to be the most dangerous man in all of Westeros during this time. Aemond is supposed to fear his uncle. Daemon is not supposed to fear his nephew. Is Daemon becoming Jake Skywalker from The Last Jedi? Make Alicent into the shittiest character next to Criston Cole and make her a hypocrite, turncloak, and possible kinslayer? She’s now a worse mother than Cersei! She lost her grandson and she’s willing to sell out two of her sons? And she’s utterly USELESS at this time. As unlikable as Criston is, he can fight. While Alicent can’t even protect all her children from a war she “accidentally” started! It’s either sex or baths from her and that’s all she does. Whichever side you’re on whether Team Black or Team Green, or if you’re not on either side and think HOT D is mostly rich white people’s problems and you think they’re all bad (except Helaena and the dragons), we all got to admit the character development from both sides was lacking. I rewatched S1 prior to S2 airing and there’s a noticeable difference in quality. S1’s worst episode might be 1x6 The Princess and the Queen thanks to some rushed plot points and the time jump, but even that is better than half of Season 2. And 1x6 was written by Sara Hess but directed by Miguel Sapochnik. Sara Hess: White man bad! Make woman look good and heroic! Daemon is no Paul Rudd and is a terrible person! Down with the patriarchy! Down with toxic white man masculinity! And let’s add a lesbian kiss scene with Rhaenyra and Mysaria because I’m a lesbian! Nice, we got another Leslye-bian Headland from The Acolyte over here. An activist. Not a writer and is pretending she read the books. Losing Miguel Sapochnik was a big deal. He directed some of the best episodes from Game of Thrones. Ryan Condom and Sara Mess will ruin it with their fanfic nonsense. Again, if we didn’t get this ridiculous scene where Alicent is selling out her sons and Ep. 8 didn’t have the burden being the finale with higher expectations, it’s not that terrible. I even enjoyed the Abigail Thorn scenes when “they” joked about eating human flesh and asking Tyland to have children with “them”. Awkward pause from Tyland got me laughing 😂 as he looked obviously confused before Sharako mentioned about “their” wives. Oh well, let’s hope S3 is the “action” season. S2 is the “filler” season. S1 was the “setup” season. The Battle at Rook’s Rest was still great though even with some changes to it and that’s probably where most of the S2 budget went to. S3 should start with the Battle of the Gullet. The craziest naval fight we may ever see. As disappointing as S2 is, you know damn well you’re still tuning in for S3 in 2026 the moment you can see it. Let’s just look at S2 as a mulligan thanks to some cost cutting decisions and strikes. The Age of Ultron of the four Avengers movies. Not truly awful. A mixed bag with a few merits. Marvel, Star Wars, and ThroneVerse, the more they all want to expand their deep lore with so many different projects coming from different creators with varying visions to their lore, the more diluted the lore becomes. GRRM said they have 7 different projects in the works. It’s going to grow stale like what happened to MCU and SW. GRRM is already 75. His lore will get more diluted after he dies because it’s no longer coming from him but from several hack writers. Look at Disney Star Wars. It’s become a trash brand and George Lucas isn’t even dead yet. Tolkien will be rolling in his grave again when The Rings of Power S2 comes out. Be excited for House of the Dragon Season 3 and 4, but don’t get too excited knowing there’s going to be changes we all have to live with. Look at HOT D Season 2 this way: Still better than most MCU and Star Wars series on Disney+. Even at it’s worst, HOT D S2 remains better than The Mandalorian S3, Ahsoka, The Acolyte, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Book of Boba Fett, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Echo… Let’s wait 10 more months for A Knight of a Seven Knights. To some who only want to see dragons from these type of medieval fantasy shows, it may not be appealing to them. But the Dunk & Egg series with only 6 episodes should keep Burlington Bar busy with their awesome reactions in Chicago next year. A Song of Ice and Fire is truly headed to where MCU and Star Wars already are. Another IP trap filled with diluted quality. Star Wars no longer excites their fans. Just another visit to McDonald’s. Luster wore off years ago.
Well, luckily the kiss was one-time event and ended fast. But it's not like series was bad. What should be noted is Rhaena supposedly taking Nettles' role
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Rewatching The Queen Who Ever Was (a poor title, btw), it’s not that awful. But the fact it was going to be the season finale, it had tons of expectations to deliver and viewers wants spectacle and fireworks. Not saying it was a great episode. It wasn’t. Daemon seeing the White Walkers or saying winter is coming in High Valyrian only annoyed viewers because it reminded us on how badly Game of Thrones ended.
The worst scene was the Alicent selling out her two eldest boys. Um, why the change of heart after only 5 episodes later? Didn’t she accidentally start a war from misinterpreting what Viserys said? She’s a bad mother, a hypocrite, traitor, and she’s dead weight. This scene reached Game of Thrones S8 stupidity.
Had it just been an Episode 8 of a 10-episode season, it wouldn’t be looked upon as that awful with the exception of that White Walkers callback and Alicent appearing at Rhaenyra’s doorstep I just mentioned. I think Ep. 8 is about par to Ep. 3, 5, and 6. Nothing really happened. It’s about a 6 or 7 out of 10 but since it’s a finale with higher expectations, people will grade it a 5 or lower.
Season 2 was a step back from Season 1. While we did get some great episodes specifically 2x4 The Red Dragon and the Gold, great acting in 2x2 Rhaenyra the Cruel, and more dragon fun in 2x7 The Red Sowing, half of it sorta meandered and went nowhere. Character development didn’t improve with the exception of Aegon and giving Helaena more to do. Simon Strong ended up the most likable new character over Hugh, Ulf, Alys, and Jeyne, but it mostly comes from his reactions than anything he said.
I wanted more out of the Velaryons and got nothing. We saw Corlys mostly stand next to a ship having a conversation with his wife, one of his bastard sons, or Rhaenyra. Similar to Daemon, he too was stuck being filmed in one location. I wanted more out of Baela and Rhaena and got nothing. And Jace is supposed to be the Robb Stark of this series but I still didn’t get anything out of him that would make me feel emotionally attached to him. He mostly comes off as a whiner.
Why did we need 6 episodes of DaemonVision? Yes, he’s coping. And yes, maybe there is a payoff to this after he dies next to Aemond. Don’t blame me because Helaena is spoiling everything. But why so many episodes only to come to the same conclusion? Daemon already bent the knee to Rhaenyra in 1x10 The Black Queen! We didn’t need to rethread this story again for an entire season!
Now let’s get to Alicent…. 🤦🏻 First off, Olivia Cooke is a fantastic actress. One of the best in the cast. Matt Smith and Olivia are two of the top three in billing. All we got out from Daemon in S2 is tripping balls. Having a bad mushroom/acid trip in a haunted castle. All we got out of Alicent is her having sex, dissing Aegon again that led him to getting drunk and getting charcoaled by his brother. And if Alicent wasn’t having sex or being useless, she’s taking a bath or dipping in a pond or having awkward scenes with Rhaenyra.
Matt Smith and Olivia Cooke could’ve been used sparingly this season perhaps appearing in only 4 or 5 episodes but the writers pushed them to do nonsensical things to pad the runtime of these hour-long episodes and to give Daemon and Alicent something to do. Turn Daemon into a loser “husbuncle” to Rhaenrya and deadbeat father because he’s still thirsting for the throne when he’s damn near 50 and have people like Alys Rivers and Oliver Tully dunk on him when he is supposed to be the most dangerous man in all of Westeros during this time.
Aemond is supposed to fear his uncle. Daemon is not supposed to fear his nephew. Is Daemon becoming Jake Skywalker from The Last Jedi? Make Alicent into the shittiest character next to Criston Cole and make her a hypocrite, turncloak, and possible kinslayer? She’s now a worse mother than Cersei! She lost her grandson and she’s willing to sell out two of her sons? And she’s utterly USELESS at this time. As unlikable as Criston is, he can fight. While Alicent can’t even protect all her children from a war she “accidentally” started! It’s either sex or baths from her and that’s all she does.
Whichever side you’re on whether Team Black or Team Green, or if you’re not on either side and think HOT D is mostly rich white people’s problems and you think they’re all bad (except Helaena and the dragons), we all got to admit the character development from both sides was lacking. I rewatched S1 prior to S2 airing and there’s a noticeable difference in quality. S1’s worst episode might be 1x6 The Princess and the Queen thanks to some rushed plot points and the time jump, but even that is better than half of Season 2. And 1x6 was written by Sara Hess but directed by Miguel Sapochnik.
Sara Hess: White man bad! Make woman look good and heroic! Daemon is no Paul Rudd and is a terrible person! Down with the patriarchy! Down with toxic white man masculinity! And let’s add a lesbian kiss scene with Rhaenyra and Mysaria because I’m a lesbian!
Nice, we got another Leslye-bian Headland from The Acolyte over here. An activist. Not a writer and is pretending she read the books. Losing Miguel Sapochnik was a big deal. He directed some of the best episodes from Game of Thrones. Ryan Condom and Sara Mess will ruin it with their fanfic nonsense.
Again, if we didn’t get this ridiculous scene where Alicent is selling out her sons and Ep. 8 didn’t have the burden being the finale with higher expectations, it’s not that terrible. I even enjoyed the Abigail Thorn scenes when “they” joked about eating human flesh and asking Tyland to have children with “them”. Awkward pause from Tyland got me laughing 😂 as he looked obviously confused before Sharako mentioned about “their” wives.
Oh well, let’s hope S3 is the “action” season. S2 is the “filler” season. S1 was the “setup” season. The Battle at Rook’s Rest was still great though even with some changes to it and that’s probably where most of the S2 budget went to. S3 should start with the Battle of the Gullet. The craziest naval fight we may ever see. As disappointing as S2 is, you know damn well you’re still tuning in for S3 in 2026 the moment you can see it. Let’s just look at S2 as a mulligan thanks to some cost cutting decisions and strikes. The Age of Ultron of the four Avengers movies. Not truly awful. A mixed bag with a few merits.
Marvel, Star Wars, and ThroneVerse, the more they all want to expand their deep lore with so many different projects coming from different creators with varying visions to their lore, the more diluted the lore becomes. GRRM said they have 7 different projects in the works. It’s going to grow stale like what happened to MCU and SW. GRRM is already 75. His lore will get more diluted after he dies because it’s no longer coming from him but from several hack writers. Look at Disney Star Wars. It’s become a trash brand and George Lucas isn’t even dead yet. Tolkien will be rolling in his grave again when The Rings of Power S2 comes out.
Be excited for House of the Dragon Season 3 and 4, but don’t get too excited knowing there’s going to be changes we all have to live with. Look at HOT D Season 2 this way: Still better than most MCU and Star Wars series on Disney+. Even at it’s worst, HOT D S2 remains better than The Mandalorian S3, Ahsoka, The Acolyte, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Book of Boba Fett, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Echo…
Let’s wait 10 more months for A Knight of a Seven Knights. To some who only want to see dragons from these type of medieval fantasy shows, it may not be appealing to them. But the Dunk & Egg series with only 6 episodes should keep Burlington Bar busy with their awesome reactions in Chicago next year. A Song of Ice and Fire is truly headed to where MCU and Star Wars already are. Another IP trap filled with diluted quality. Star Wars no longer excites their fans. Just another visit to McDonald’s. Luster wore off years ago.
The only scenes that upset me is when dragons die. The people are all wastes of flesh and I don’t really care for/relate to them but the dragons are amazing and it saddens me when they die.
Who in their right mind feels any sympathy for Aemond. He is responsible for his actions and he hasn’t done a positive thing throughout his entire life. Dying is the best thing his character ever achieved.
Arryk and Erryk scene is a very emotional battle scene that made me shed a tear especially when Erryk said “Your grace forgive me”😢
I got too attached to Rhaenys and Meleys making their deaths that much more tragic, but the true tragedy is how many people aren’t appreciating the slow-burn elements of this season. If it’s all tension and action all the time, we won’t delight in the calm moments. There’s a difference between having cake (wanting a balance between action/tension and calm) and eating it (wanting all action/tension and no calm), if you get my drift.
Yes!
my feelings about this season would likely be very different if episode 9 was the battle of the gullet, episode 10 is the fallout and response - but it simply was too short of a season to offer as little as it did; the quality of the episode 8 Rhaenyra/Alicent conversation was NOT the type of dialogue that was seen throughout the season...the decision to spend so much time on such odd things IE daemon, the lead up and length of the mudfight, etc, as opposed to spending more time on things that would have made the season a slow burn such as profiling more of the small folk so that when the red sowing came we didn't all know IMMEDIATELY who was going to get a dragon vs who wasn't, there was just a lot wrong with this season. is it season 8 GoT? no. But it's ceiling is "fine". thank you for entertaining the obnoxious length of this :P
THANK YOU!
Too many people complaining about this series need to stick to Michael Bay movies
The slow burn was wasted on alot of harrenhal scenes and other scenes that didnt progress the plot all that much. Slow burn wouldve been appreciated in season 1 to get to really know more about alot of these characters. Instead we got a time skip.
Pacing whiplash is this series problem. Unlike Rhanerys, i had attachment to Viserys as an example. She has potential in my eyes but again, not enough time spent with her honestly.
@@DJSpinczarYes. Being use to characters who we emotionally invest in getting killed, I was half expecting either Hugh or Ulf not to have made the cut & the offended dragon going turncoat.
Also developing little Jaehaery's character would've made his death more impactful. His superficial development With "the horse ride" virtually telegraphed his impending death.
Aside from how this entire thing is *utterly destroying* poor, innocent Haelaena, the fight where Rhaenys/Meleys lost their lives was especially devastating, and not just because Rhaenys was my favorite character.
Seeing the bonds between Aegon/Sunfyre and Rhaenys/Meleys before they have to take them to war is so sad. Seeing what Aemond did to his brother and his brother’s dragon was awful. Seeing Sunfyre change positions as he is falling, so he won’t crush King Aegon when they land was heartbreaking. But to me, seeing Rhaenys resolutely deciding to fight Vhagar, that huge, ancient beast, and then seeing when they ultimately lost to Vhagar/Aemond was almost too much.
I’ve read the book, so I knew they’d not survive… but seeing Meleys, The Red Queen, turn her head to stare at her rider as she died, and then seeing the effect it had on Rhaenys, and then the look on her face as they fell to the ground beneath, completely crushed me.
However, I think one of the saddest things about this fight was that, at the end, we have two dragons fighting who had very special bonds before Aemond claimed Vhagar. Meleys was bonded to The Queen Who Never Was for many years, and at one time, Vhagar was the mount of her daughter, Laena. Before that, these two dragons had an even closer relationship, as they were the mounts of King Viserys and Prince Daemon’s parents, Baelon (Vhagar) and Alyssa (Meleys). So, seeing these poor dragons forced to fight each other to the death is especially devastating. 😭💔
#1 - an 8th episode that really did feel like an 8th episode...of a 10 episode season
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I love house of the dragon.
Some amazing moments this second season it's just sucks that it was cut really short
Aemond may have lost an eye but he does look cool with an eyepatch on 😊
I'd rather have two perfectly fully functioning eyes than "to look cool."
So we just not gonna mention about Rhaenyra giving birth to a stillborn dragon baby
Or her having to get up from the birthing bed to "present" her child to Alicent
@@caronstout354that moment was hardly tragic. It was a pretty normal birth. But it was cruel of Alicent to demand to see the baby before the placenta was even out.
Love this series, loved this season ❤❤ For me, the deaths of Viserys, and Rhaenys and Meleys, were gutting 😭😭😭. Just wish we didn’t have to wait 2 years for more!
The most tragic moment from the show was Daemon seeing season 8 of Game of Thrones 😢
He didn't. And if did - he saw what needs to be done
Tragedy is the bread and butter if this show. 🎉
As usual WatchMojo when they do get a decent list a completely listed out of order.
I never read the books. I did watch GOT so I was used to those dragons and I love the dragons. I was a little shocked and saddened to find out that the dragons would viciously fight one another. Silly, maybe, but I really didn’t expect it.
My honurable place - moment when Jacaerys came back home and Luke's funeral
Seriously all the people that are saying that season two was boring and uneventful. What season did you watch?
Don't bother, most people lack the intellect to enjoy the show for what it is. It's not some stupid action shit, it's a serious drama in a fantasy setting...with incredibly rewarding character arcs.
Season 2?
@@evanbrunner8910 yes season 2
5:13 funny how in some videos narration says "Cole interprets it as blackmail", while in others "He blackmails Cole "
Damn, House Targaryen can’t catch a break
One of the best videos to watch after ending the season
Number 10 should have been number 3 or 4
5:41 if only we had more Rhaenyra/Strong scenes
And #1 this season
For those who find Aemma's death upsetting, please don't work in the medical field as she was going to die anyway regardless (the child would not have survived without said intervention and would have taken the mother with them), it was the only means of attempting to save one life rather than neither.
3:07 funny how you show Aemond's stone but don't say about it in narration
Arryk and Erryk? Really. Why couldn’t they’ve given them different names?
The most tragic moment was not getting a better finale for season 2.
Season 3 better start with Daeron’s Face
i miss watchmojos old top 10s
what do you mean old it the same as day one
I meant the top 10s from 2011-2017
@@Lunchly69420 yes i know
@10:00, “shocking stuff, unlikely to forget it soon.”
I’d agree, except the baby’s grandmother forgot in the season finale😅
Tragic list and great series otherwise
any proof she forgot? Any proof her actions weren't meant to save baby's mom?
@@gevorg1989 I mean when they talk about exchanging their son’s lives as a debt to be paid, it would’ve made sense for at least her grandson murdered by Blood and Cheese to get mentioned. But I guess maybe not
@@falconknight4964 paraphrased version in your second comment sounds better than "forgot"
@@gevorg1989 fair enough I guess, still seems pretty odd that she didn’t think to mention it if they were doing a “son for a son” sort of idea when her grandchild was unalived
Hello good morning ❤❤❤
You guys needed to get moments from last season as this season wasn’t eventful
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The finale was tragic for being disappointing and boring
Calm down fellow.. enjoy the build up. Don’t watch tv shows if you want all bang
What worse: Season 2, including the god awful finale, or the fact that GRRM is never going to release another book? I think secretly everyone knows he’s never going to put out another one.
What's tragic is that Daemon Targaryen saw Season 8 of Game of Thrones.
why tragic? It helped him come to senses and help continue Targ line
No. 3 isn't it more proper to say "Commits suicide"?
Rewatching The Queen Who Ever Was (a poor title, btw), it’s not that awful. But the fact it was going to be the season finale, it had tons of expectations to deliver and viewers wants spectacle and fireworks. Not saying it was a great episode. It wasn’t. Daemon seeing the White Walkers or saying winter is coming in High Valyrian only annoyed viewers because it reminded us on how badly Game of Thrones ended.
The worst scene was the Alicent selling out her two eldest boys. Um, why the change of heart after only 5 episodes later? Didn’t she accidentally start a war from misinterpreting what Viserys said? She’s a bad mother, a hypocrite, traitor, and she’s dead weight. This scene reached Game of Thrones S8 stupidity.
Had it just been an Episode 8 of a 10-episode season, it wouldn’t be looked upon as that awful with the exception of that White Walkers callback and Alicent appearing at Rhaenyra’s doorstep I just mentioned. I think Ep. 8 is about par to Ep. 3, 5, and 6. Nothing really happened. It’s about a 6 or 7 out of 10 but since it’s a finale with higher expectations, people will grade it a 5 or lower.
Season 2 was a step back from Season 1. While we did get some great episodes specifically 2x4 The Red Dragon and the Gold, great acting in 2x2 Rhaenyra the Cruel, and more dragon fun in 2x7 The Red Sowing, half of it sorta meandered and went nowhere. Character development didn’t improve with the exception of Aegon and giving Helaena more to do. Simon Strong ended up the most likable new character over Hugh, Ulf, Alys, and Jeyne, but it mostly comes from his reactions than anything he said.
I wanted more out of the Velaryons and got nothing. We saw Corlys mostly stand next to a ship having a conversation with his wife, one of his bastard sons, or Rhaenyra. Similar to Daemon, he too was stuck being filmed in one location. I wanted more out of Baela and Rhaena and got nothing. And Jace is supposed to be the Robb Stark of this series but I still didn’t get anything out of him that would make me feel emotionally attached to him. He mostly comes off as a whiner.
Why did we need 6 episodes of DaemonVision? Yes, he’s coping. And yes, maybe there is a payoff to this after he dies next to Aemond. Don’t blame me because Helaena is spoiling everything. But why so many episodes only to come to the same conclusion? Daemon already bent the knee to Rhaenyra in 1x10 The Black Queen! We didn’t need to rethread this story again for an entire season!
Now let’s get to Alicent…. 🤦🏻 First off, Olivia Cooke is a fantastic actress. One of the best in the cast. Matt Smith and Olivia are two of the top three in billing. All we got out from Daemon in S2 is tripping balls. Having a bad mushroom/acid trip in a haunted castle. All we got out of Alicent is her having sex, dissing Aegon again that led him to getting drunk and getting charcoaled by his brother. And if Alicent wasn’t having sex or being useless, she’s taking a bath or dipping in a pond or having awkward scenes with Rhaenyra.
Matt Smith and Olivia Cooke could’ve been used sparingly this season perhaps appearing in only 4 or 5 episodes but the writers pushed them to do nonsensical things to pad the runtime of these hour-long episodes and to give Daemon and Alicent something to do. Turn Daemon into a loser “husbuncle” to Rhaenrya and deadbeat father because he’s still thirsting for the throne when he’s damn near 50 and have people like Alys Rivers and Oliver Tully dunk on him when he is supposed to be the most dangerous man in all of Westeros during this time.
Aemond is supposed to fear his uncle. Daemon is not supposed to fear his nephew. Is Daemon becoming Jake Skywalker from The Last Jedi? Make Alicent into the shittiest character next to Criston Cole and make her a hypocrite, turncloak, and possible kinslayer? She’s now a worse mother than Cersei! She lost her grandson and she’s willing to sell out two of her sons? And she’s utterly USELESS at this time. As unlikable as Criston is, he can fight. While Alicent can’t even protect all her children from a war she “accidentally” started! It’s either sex or baths from her and that’s all she does.
Whichever side you’re on whether Team Black or Team Green, or if you’re not on either side and think HOT D is mostly rich white people’s problems and you think they’re all bad (except Helaena and the dragons), we all got to admit the character development from both sides was lacking. I rewatched S1 prior to S2 airing and there’s a noticeable difference in quality. S1’s worst episode might be 1x6 The Princess and the Queen thanks to some rushed plot points and the time jump, but even that is better than half of Season 2. And 1x6 was written by Sara Hess but directed by Miguel Sapochnik.
Sara Hess: White man bad! Make woman look good and heroic! Daemon is no Paul Rudd and is a terrible person! Down with the patriarchy! Down with toxic white man masculinity! And let’s add a lesbian kiss scene with Rhaenyra and Mysaria because I’m a lesbian!
Nice, we got another Leslye-bian Headland from The Acolyte over here. An activist. Not a writer and is pretending she read the books. Losing Miguel Sapochnik was a big deal. He directed some of the best episodes from Game of Thrones. Ryan Condom and Sara Mess will ruin it with their fanfic nonsense.
Again, if we didn’t get this ridiculous scene where Alicent is selling out her sons and Ep. 8 didn’t have the burden being the finale with higher expectations, it’s not that terrible. I even enjoyed the Abigail Thorn scenes when “they” joked about eating human flesh and asking Tyland to have children with “them”. Awkward pause from Tyland got me laughing 😂 as he looked obviously confused before Sharako mentioned about “their” wives.
Oh well, let’s hope S3 is the “action” season. S2 is the “filler” season. S1 was the “setup” season. The Battle at Rook’s Rest was still great though even with some changes to it and that’s probably where most of the S2 budget went to. S3 should start with the Battle of the Gullet. The craziest naval fight we may ever see. As disappointing as S2 is, you know damn well you’re still tuning in for S3 in 2026 the moment you can see it. Let’s just look at S2 as a mulligan thanks to some cost cutting decisions and strikes. The Age of Ultron of the four Avengers movies. Not truly awful. A mixed bag with a few merits.
Marvel, Star Wars, and ThroneVerse, the more they all want to expand their deep lore with so many different projects coming from different creators with varying visions to their lore, the more diluted the lore becomes. GRRM said they have 7 different projects in the works. It’s going to grow stale like what happened to MCU and SW. GRRM is already 75. His lore will get more diluted after he dies because it’s no longer coming from him but from several hack writers. Look at Disney Star Wars. It’s become a trash brand and George Lucas isn’t even dead yet. Tolkien will be rolling in his grave again when The Rings of Power S2 comes out.
Be excited for House of the Dragon Season 3 and 4, but don’t get too excited knowing there’s going to be changes we all have to live with. Look at HOT D Season 2 this way: Still better than most MCU and Star Wars series on Disney+. Even at it’s worst, HOT D S2 remains better than The Mandalorian S3, Ahsoka, The Acolyte, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Book of Boba Fett, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Echo…
Let’s wait 10 more months for A Knight of a Seven Knights. To some who only want to see dragons from these type of medieval fantasy shows, it may not be appealing to them. But the Dunk & Egg series with only 6 episodes should keep Burlington Bar busy with their awesome reactions in Chicago next year. A Song of Ice and Fire is truly headed to where MCU and Star Wars already are. Another IP trap filled with diluted quality. Star Wars no longer excites their fans. Just another visit to McDonald’s. Luster wore off years ago.
if you can't handle big series ending different from your favourite fanfic doesn't mean it was bad
WYVERNS NOT DRAGONS FFS
tell to GRRM
the most tragic moment is giving a bunch of activist the rein as showrunner.
Well, luckily the kiss was one-time event and ended fast. But it's not like series was bad. What should be noted is Rhaena supposedly taking Nettles' role
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@DontDelete-fp8oy tell that to watchmojo
@King.Cinephile your trolling is not funny
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It doesn't matter cause you get nothing for it
@@CandiceVidito no one want anything for it
@King.Cinephile pointless spam
@@ponchopalmera4917 like always your comment is pointless because no one asked how early you are.
@@jimbo9208 why can't you ingrore it. You always start something with others