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My uncle was on this flight. My brother found this and sent it to me. I have my own family memories of this. I will say it was traumatic listening to the cockpit recordings - we were always told it was lightning strike probable cause. I want to say thank you so very much - your work on this is amazing. My mom lost her brother and he left behind wife and children. Rip - KG
In remembrance: Captain John Ralph Phillips, 45 First Officer John Forest Foster, 32 Second Officer Donald Wayne Crossland, 28 Flight Attendant Jo Carol Brand, 22 Flight Attendant Susanne Elizabeth Renz, 21 Louis Ernest Adin Jr., 48 William Fontaine Alexander, 59 Bernice Josephine Antich, 55 Joe Bailey Barnett Jr., 37 Karney Morris Brent, 47 Ronald D. Brewer, 19 Faye Elaine Brown, 23 Patrick H. Brown, 19 William R. Burton, 40 Thomas Keener Cambre, 37 William Bruce Campbell, 47 Lou Creecie Cherry, 70 Theodore Floyd Clark Sr., 33 Lawrence Rene Cordet, 45 Kenneth Paul Cornella, 32 Wayne Collins, 44 Everett Wayne Corl, 21 Lou Ellen Currier, 31 Edward Laverne Davis, 38 Molly Ann DeWare, 25 James Howard Dinwiddie, 50 Sammy Joe Dobbs, 19 James Earl Doell, 42 Paul Roscoe Ellis Jr., 40 George Glenn Ellwood Jr., 41 John Richard Ford, 57 Miles Jerome Glover, 43 Kenneth Brandt Goodman, 39 Robert Paul Gravesmill, 37 James Calvin Grant, 26 George Henry Harris, 21 John Daniel Haverstock Jr., 39 Charles Wilson Harshaw, 36 Lanora LaVelle Hawkins, 38 Neva Newton Hawkins, 37 Victor Campbell Hayes, 48 Fred Louis Herrman, 51 Henry Stephen Hollis, 21 Franklin Roy Holt, 37 Jackie Dean Hurley, 18 John Ray Kubitz, 34 John T. Llewellyn, 43 Joseph Edwin Lockridge, 35 Louis Ira Masquelier, 29 Robert James Maxwell, 50 Thomas Larrimore Maxwell, 45 Lula Beth McBee, 51 Edwin Calvin McDuff, 32 Hugh Herron McGaughy Jr., 38 Herbert William McCormick, 38 Allen Norfleet McDowell, 46 William McPherson, 37 Manuel J. Medina, 20 William Wade Meeker, 39 Lewis Dean Messersmith, 36 Carol Ann Murray, 22 Lorentz Peter Myhr, 42 Robert Roy Neal, 44 Deborah Cheri O’Neal, 18 Edward Lee Pitts, 32 James Knox Pittard Jr., 55 Ruth Marie Pittard, 46 William Walter Reagan, 40 John Allen Roberts, 33 John Walter Rogers, 37 Fred Albert Ryser III, 21 Diane Jackie Schnell, 18 James Norton Shepperd, 54 Mary Jo Shepperd, 51 Robert Dale Spencer, 54 Jimmy Dan Thompson, 38 William Robert Trotter, 43 William S. Tucker, 47 Norman L. Vagneur, 21 Robert Andrew Whitburn, 19 Robert Odes Whiddon Jr., 48 William Robert Wilcox, 49 Clyde Ray Williams, 37 Lillian Mae Wright, 40 Lavern B. Yochim, 41
Man, I was so hoping this was gonna be one where they got shaken up by turbulence and had injuries, maybe had t do a rough emergency landing and some people died. But This seems like no one made it. Those are the worst. At least we can hope weather tech and more strict safety guidance will make sure something quite this bad will never happen again. It's not ideal, but it's the best possible result from such a horrible tragedy.
My father was a Braniff captain flying the Electra at this same time, in fact he was flying from Dallas to Little Rock on that same afternoon. When we first heard the news of the crash, my mother was very upset because she was not sure which flight he was on. It was not until later in the evening that she received a phone call from him. This video was incredible because we never knew what really happened or that a cockpit voice recording even existed. My father passed away two years ago, we used to discuss the 2 Braniff Electra crashes, I only wish he could have heard this recording as he was a friend of the captain on that flight.
Well, probably best your dad did not hear this. Th e captain of the flt 352, as it turns out, was a creep, as we now know, and he tried to cover up his mistake.
@@Franklin-pc3xd WE know he was a creep? Who are you speaking for? He screwed up. I've done that. He was under immense stress, and he said something to protect against admitting his mistake. I've probably done that. He was about to die, and he might have known that too. That comment might have been intended for his wife so she wouldn't be burdened by knowledge of his mistake. We do things under stress. He was friends with Mike's dad. That's one person (who knew him personally) who didn't think he was a creep. Maybe he was a good guy who made some initially understandable misjudgements (remember the FO agreed with him, that west was best) and felt he was backed into a corner by the storm and now the controller. That's fight-or-flight mode, a normal, predictable response to stress overload. I don't know enough to judge the guy as a person like you do. WE don't know he was a creep. Some of us might have judged him that way, that's all. He was a fallible human, like the rest of us.
Sorry, dont speak on behalf of "rest of us". He did something that others may or may not do in such circumstances. He had a choice, he made the wrong choice, which is ok, it can't be changed now anyway, but please dont label it as "normal response"
Something that strikes me is how silent the crew are as the plane enters its final moments. No panicked screams, just...doing whatever they could and then a loud crash.
I wouldn't worry about death, according to all the top brains on this rock we are a simulation 😮 , I'm actually looking forward to see the other side, I believe we are so called re spawned 😅, the trick is remembering you were here before.
@@ianmangham4570 looking forward to it and I'm totally unafraid of death myself but for different reasons. When I was a young man, a doctor named Raymond Moody wrote a book called Life After life. And along with him, I have been getting as much information as I possibly can all my life and listening to these near-death experiences. Especially people like Dr Eben Alexander, but there are many that never wrote a book and never looked for a fame and you can find them online. I do not believe they are lying. You could pretty much tell on somebody's lying no? But since I've tried to learn as much as I can on this subject it has made me totally unafraid of death. I actually am looking forward to going back to soul School and discussing my life and life itself. Of course I might have a little bit of paperwork at the gates before they let me in, but hey we were all young ones right?
@@Yuki-di2rb look up Dr Raymond Moody and his book Life after Life from 1975. If it starts you on the path to believing there something else afterwards, I'll give you a brighter outlook than a dirt nap lol
totally. those things are made for money which means they exaggerate stuff and make it less factual to gain more views. These videos are obviously done with passion with an intention to inform the viewer, even if you dont know anything about aviation you could understand his videos which I love.
My grandfather worked for Braniff at the time and drove down from Dallas to the crash sight to help with the recovery. Seeing the wreck and the bodies was so traumatic, he can't even remember how he got back home. All he remembers is the smell of the jet fuel.
❗️❗️NOTICE TO FUTURE VIEWERS ❗️❗️ Due to a copyright claim, the Cockpit Voice Recording that was featured in this video has been muted. Massive apologies for this. Please see the Braniff 352 CVR Here: ua-cam.com/video/h98uCRmN9Q4/v-deo.htmlsi=szm5niKePYx2So5A Again, apologies, guys. Hopefully this can be sorted in the meantime. Thank you for understanding. EDIT/UPDATE: I have done a couple of hours of reading into this. it looks like there is something going on here. An ongoing case around the copyright status of Cockpit Voice Recordings. Something I actually was not aware of being an actual thing. So I am going to take this seriously. Here is a quick breakdown: plagiarismtoday.com/2023/06/22/copyright-in-flight-cockpit-recordings/
My High School Spanish teacher missed this flight. A few years later I declined a trip to Dallas on a private aircraft to see a Cowboy game. It got caught in a similar type storm returning and crashed in a field SW of Houston. Fate is the hunter.😬
Just saw your reply. I heard a very interesting story about this flight, and it involved a professional golfer competing in the 1968 Houston Open. After shooting a 78 in the first round the day before this accident and figuring he was going to miss the 36-hole cut on Friday he booked a seat on this connecting plane for a trip home to Tacoma Washington. Being a true professional he went out the next day and tried his best and shot 69 to make the cut and cancel his seat. He was able to live another 49 years and credits his good fortune to "never" giving up. Did you know why your Spanish teacher missed his flight? Thanks for your comment.
@@ka5dwi Thanks for the reply. After commenting I realized that the teacher might have been a woman. I actually had a scary moment in 1981 flying home from Tucson Arizona to Richmond Virginia. On the connecting flight from Atlanta to Columbia SC enroute to Richmond we flew through a thunderstorm. Don't know if lightning hit the plane or not but lights went out and plane lost altitude momentary. Lights came back on shortly and plane made it to Columbia safely. After I got back to Richmond I "never" flew again.
It’s actually pretty amazing, I hadn’t put the voice recording into that context, I knew it was from 1968 but it hadn’t registered that this recording is 55 years old, 55! I don’t think those men could’ve ever imagined their voices being listened to all these years later!
@@ZombieSazzaI bet they’d have never imagined it was uploaded on a website called UA-cam. You’d have to explain the concept of the internet, websites, and video streaming just to make them understand. Wonder what stuff people from 2078 will be using. I’d probably still be alive then
Yes, it is sad, because those voices were never supposed to have been heard by the general public. That's the deal that the Airline Pilots' Association has with the NTSB.
@@StringerNews1 You are right. Also part of the agreement added the bulk erase button. That was added because: " The CVR is not meant to spy on the crew. It is there to use as a tool if the crew dies not survive." In the beginning many crew members erased the CVR. Now it is a sign of some kind guilt.
This came as a complete surprise. We were presented with a lost voice recording, detailed weather analysis combined with the state of weather radar at the time. This gave much more context to the accident report. A great piece of research, team effort and video presentation
Actually, the Military version, the P-3 Orion, was still being built at the Marietta, Georgia, facility when I worked there in the early 1990s, and is still being flown by many units around the world as sub hunters and storm chasers.
As noted it was not recognized at the time that hail absorbs rather than reflects radar waves, causing the worst part of the storm to look like a safe path or “hole” on the planes radar screen. This was still happening a decade later with the crash of Southern Airways 242 where the crew was also using radar to navigate a storm.
Hail don't absorb radar waves, they are rather transparent to radar waves in comparison to water droplets. Ice has much lower dielectric constant than liquid water. The contrast between air and liquid water is much larger than between air and ice This must have been well known in 1968.
Agreed. And for every item we receive in a box with instructions on how to assemble, the warning should read "Men, do not attempt assembly without female guidance". lol
@@brabhamfreaman166I don’t know much, on top of a few world-renowned architects, there have also been inventors of dishwasher, wifi, computer programming, steam-ship propellers, gas-powered heating, circular saw, etc, who happened to be women.
"Stop talking to him. He wants us to admit we made a mistake by going this way." Wow, nice one Cap. Way to put your perceived integrity above the 80 lives you were in charge of keeping safe. At least you never had to admit your mistake...
@@lisaa8795 That was fight, flight, or freeze mode, like any of us when we're cornered. He was cornered by the storm he thought he understood, then by a controller he perceives doing the same. Or... maybe he was thinking of his wife and the burden she'd have if he died, knowing it was all down to his judgement. He gave her something to cling to, a reason to doubt the worst. Was it on purpose? I dunno. His reputation is obviously in ruins. Maybe he wanted to salvage that one bit, for himself if he survived or for her if he didn't.
He was way too worried about his reputation. Listen to his speech about being on time for 96% of flights. I’m sorry, but tardiness is so not important when it comes to safety. I’m sad that I even have to state this.
That's a lot to read into that one little statement. It seems he realized he had made a mistake and felt the ATC was needling him about it. Since he requested a course change shortly after that, it doesn't seem like he was trying to cover up anything. In fact he was actually admitting to the co-pilot that they had made a mistake and needed to correct. Ironically if they had been more stubborn and stuck to their original plan, it might have been a better outcome, since it was the attempted 180 degree turn that caused the plane to lose control and break up.
For anyone traveling through DFW, if you have some extra time, you might find a visit to the Braniff International Airways Chapel across from gate B25 as interesting as I did. Very few people today know anything about Braniff, but the small chapel is an interesting place to remember a very interesting airline.
Is she transgendered if I have got that right? I’m not taking the p***s whatsoever I’m just wondering, not that, that matters; was just confused thats all. Oh yes just googled. Is she Irish although I’m not the best in identifying accents!! x
Imagine hearing your dad's voice, giving life saving instructions, only to be ignored. Nonetheless, a memorable moment for the brothers. Wow, awesome video.
My thoughts too. It would have the albeit grown up kids understand their father more and also perhaps a deeper feeling of respect of their father , particularly if he had ptsd as a result if the incident and investigation that followed. It is a really heavy burden to carry knowing you were a truth teller and messenger of caution but were entirely ignored by those whom caused the great tragedy because they failed to accept direction.
I commend the people of Dawson for their fast response, working around the clock, giving so much support. it must be horrific to work through any crash site, especially one where it's impossible to identify a person's remains.
Been a flight attendant for 30 years and was based in Dallas for a few years. You have never seen more violent and volatile weather in your life. Windshears for days. Brought down Delta191 in 1985. Thank God airplanes have become so advanced with severe weather automation. Thanks Chloe.
Excellent explanation of this terrible crash. One part of the recording that struck me was the captain's remark to the F/E, "Don't talk to him (ATC Wilson) too much. He's just trying to get us to admit that we made a big mistake ." Sounds like that captain had an ego problem. Very sad.
I don't really see it as the captain trying to hide anything. In fact he was, with that statement, admitting his mistake to the copilot. He may have been annoyed with the ATC, but that didn't really effect anything, since he was still willing to request a 180 degree turn from ATC moments later. (Which ironically was another mistake.)
I don't see it that way at all. He was facing certain death he wanted to focus on trying to do whatever he could to avoid it - he saw that conversation as a needless distraction and pouring salt in the wound at a time where he was literally wrestling the plane to try to not die. He went the wrong way not because of pride but because his data was flawed. He trusted his equipment.
Captain likely thought it was less distance and quicker going west and through an assumed gap in the thunderstorm system . The Captain was eager to maintain the airline's 96% on-time statistic. That decision was a factor in the fatal outcome.
I was on the site of this crash shortly after it happened. I was with a fellow TV news reporter, and we were closer than any other television station. We had just wrapped up- preparing materials for the early evening news and were out to eat when we were called. Traveling north toward Dawson, we passed through rain so heavy that all I could see was the tail lights of the highway patrol car in front of me. If that's what they had crashed in, they would never have seen the ground coming. It was a large crash site, fortunately not too far from the road, dense with small trees and brush, mostly covered with small chunks of aircraft. The sun went down, and it was a nightmare scene. There was little if any fire. Fortunately, while the entire crash scene was very large, the recovery scene was reasonably manageable. I believe the nose of the cockpit struck the ground nose down. I found a large crater, and at the bottom was the captain's cap. Officials monitoring recoveries and counting remains at the school gym were at first confused by counting 86 bodies from a flight that was recorded at 85 passengers and crew. And then the manifest revealed the corpse among the freight. I shot a couple of rolls of 16mm film and left my partner there with the sound camera and returned to the station. I sat with the film processor operators and took the film from the drier, still wet, and mounted it on the control room projectors wet, and we ran it raw. Fortunately, it did not depict any human remains, since we had no time to edit it and barely got it on the late news. Quite a night for an 18 year old reporter.
I don't get why they kept flying lower, when you would think they would try to fly over. Cb clouds can be very tall, but down low is where the worst is at (and the ground). They wanted to be on time, and climbing would consume it...
I don't often get too emotional over long-ago tragedies of this kind. But I shed more than a few tears for these poor folks. It's good, they were remembered as we all deserve to be. A great video.
As a long time pilot and Part 121 accident investigator, this was a superb presentation. Weather, in all its forms, is the greatest causes of accidents. Radar is a great aid but has its traps. Experience will reveal those. Once again, thanks for the most informative video.
Having flown in and out of Houston many times in the course of my career as an airline pilot, I came to grow intimately familiar with the type of thunderstorms mentioned in this case. The rule was to avoid them at all costs. The weather radar that I had to work with was infinitely better than what they had back then.
Even today, under certain circumstances, modern weather radar can be fooled and what can appear as a "break" in the storm, is actually not one at all... As you say, best to avoid thunderstorms at all costs!
@@jamiecheslo This. Is true. We where taught to observe the 20 mile rule. In the late model Boeings that I flew, the weather radar display was integrated into the moving map display. You could always see where the weather was in relation to your course line.
@@wilsjane It depended on how much clearance we had between the aircraft and the tops of the storm, but generally we tried to avoid that when it was close because of turbulence.
Having been through Dawson Texas many times in the last few years tell you that the people there are still just as nice and friendly and willing to help as they work 55 years ago.
I just started to watch this channel today and IMO this is a better channel than mentour Pilot. She's way better!! Blessings to you all from Puerto Rico with lot's of love
This is one of the most informative and attention grabbing videos I have ever seen in such a while and I feel beyond lucky that I get to learn from this and beyond proud of your work and effort. This is the highest quality and hope you enjoyed putting it together
You do such a fabulous job of explaining complex issues. The amount of detail in your research is phenomenal, plus your voice is so relaxing. You do such a great job every time, thank you!
When (they?) did the weather channel bit i didn’t expect (them?) to look like that but. (they?) do amazing videos and the editing is very good. Don’t take this the wrong way, I was just caught off guard. Edit: I didn’t see the other comments first. Still a good bit!
@@DisasterBreakdown do you think you could do a case study on probably one of the most ridiculous cases of miss communication, falling asleep on the job and a runway incursion aeroflot flight 3352, or the 1990 Wayne County airport Collison, or Ozark air flight 809?
"It's been a pleasure having you all on board today, I hope you have a very pleasant day in Dallas". That one sentence made to the passengers from the captain just stuck out to me, and felt very sad. Little did any of them know... 😔
What got me was the Captain telling the First Officer not to talk to the ATC too much because he was trying to get them to admit they'd made a mistake going through the storm.
Even after they made the mistake and headed into the storm, he broke his own airlines policy and training by not flying directly through the storm but rather trying to make 180 degree turn.
An original color videotape from the 1950s of Fred Astaire was supposedly found by a TV engineer upon the occasion of his retirement many years later (1990's, I think; the date is better known to some). He was cleaning out his filing cabinets and there it was. Googleing for Fred Astaire old video will allow you to learn more and actually see the show. I cannot say if what you see is from the "filing-cabinet" tape or from another version. The quality is quite good; today's TV sets and computer monitors probably render a better picture than early color receivers ever could!
I suppose the beautiful part that came from the crash is how Dawson came together, they really did as much as they could to help where they could, even erecting a memorial and holding a yearly service, there’s something beauty among the devastation
@@DisasterBreakdown The last survivors of the Electra is currently living in Northern Canada and Buffalo Airways. Most of them are fire bombers, but there are 1-2 freighters still in operation.
As an airline pilot I can say that it isn’t uncommon to visually navigate between storm cells. We most often follow other aircraft ahead, but not always. Air Traffic Control sometimes even asks aircraft if they are willing to be “Trail Blazers” to see if there may be an alternate route around storm cells. I empathize with the captain and first officer. They thought they saw a way through and made a judgment call. Unfortunately, it didn’t go their way. The 180 turn had been a common tactic and still is today for slower aircraft, the idea being to minimize time of exposure to severe weather. In this case they likely would have made it out the other side if they stayed the course. It’s easy to judge from the comfort of the living room.
as a casual observer, it seems to me that the ATC could have been a bit more (hard to come up with the right word) forceful? with his recommendation to go East???
It's extremely rare that we get the full story of how leaked cockpit voice recordings ended up in public hands. I love that we can basically follow the whole chain of events here. Other than I guess how it all ended up in a barn.
This ranks up there with one of the weirdest aircraft accident reports I've watched in a very long time. That aside, I've been a Texas resident all my 75 years and am quite familiar with the weather patterns described here, particularly in the late spring when cold air masses still drift down from Canada and collide with the warm, moist air coming in from the Gulf of Mexico creating a clash of air masses. Not sure why the airline personnel at the time didn't recognize these air mass patterns well before they actually formed.
Pilot seemed too obsessed with the company's image. I don't even know why he should mention those things in the PA he did. They could do that at the airport, waiting lounge, or print it on brochures, or a number of other ways.
Thank you SO much for your explanation of how clouds, precipitation, and storms form. That was the clearest and most understandable explanation I've ever run across. And as an obsessive disaster junkie, I've run across a lot of them in the last 30 years or so.
I love your videos, they are the most detailed ones I ever watched on You Tube. No silly sad music, original flight and voice recorder, good graphics and much else. Furthermore your voice is very relaxing and useful for people like me, who suffer insomnia. Keep up the good work! Cheers!
How nice to see you - I always enjoy seeing the content creators and the “face behind the voice.” Also, I thought you treated this story with a great amount of care and respect. Thank you.
Thank you for including the story about the lost tapes!! I’m in media studies/media archaeology, so cockpit voice recordings & black boxes are often the most interesting part of the story to me. (you’re also doing some great ‘media preservation’ yourself, going back and researching and re-telling all these stories in a new format. Very cool!!! :) it was lovely to see your face in the weather girl segment too! ^^)
But most decent, reasonable people wouldn't think selfishly and put their ego ahead of safety or admitting they made a mistake. That captain did not have the right personality to be in any position of power: "Stop taking to him (i.e. the guy giving you info that disagrees with our beliefs/attitudes). This is an especially egregious example of confirmation bias and belief perseverance. "He's trying to get us to admit we're wrong". Totally unacceptable response to any situation, especially a life and death one. Shame on people that think like that, assuming differing viewpoints are a personal insult, it's almost as if they think humility and empathy are 'weaknesses'. They cause so much harm and often lash out at people who simply hold opposing views to their own.
@@skullsaintdead What a sanctimonious position to take. He trusted his weather radar - the hail made it appear as if there was a break in the weather. He trusted his data rather than someone else's He was facing certain death and had someone on the radio far away from danger saying 'seeeeee I told you sooo!' How would you react when your fighting for your life, the mistakes you've made are plain to see but right in that moment all you try to do is wrestle this machine to safety NOT perform a Mia culpa
Ok, the whole weather girl thing is very cute. ❤ I love the new, longer content with all the added info. Super well researched, very informative, but even better because it's well explained and engaging. I've enjoyed your videos for years, but this new direction is awesome.
It's great that you told of the people of Dawson. It's good to give credit to unsung heroes. We hear so much about bad people, it's grand to hear about ordinary people acting in extraordinary ways. Thank you.
I started being taken on airplanes by the late 1950s, and when I watch videos like this I realize how often planes crashed in the past, and how lucky I was to have never been in a disaster like this one.
You have outdone yourself this time. Well worth the wait. Especially liked the weather section. Great explanation of how thunderstorms work. Good to see the person behind these great videos.
Wow. Your content is fantastic. Really well produced and you are a joy to listen to. Highly entertaining and full of excellent detail. Really impressive. Thank you.
What a fantastic video of an event that caused me the loss of a dear friend that day. I still live in Dallas, and I still have contact with my friend's widow. Due to respect for her and her now grown children, I chose not to list his name. Thank you.
I’ve loved your videos for a long time and I have to say, in the past couple months with you taking more time on each video, the quality has jumped up so high so fast!! Honestly feels like watching a full documentary with like a whole team and big budget. You’re amazing keep it up!!! 💕💕
Thank you for covering this incident, Chloe. I have had anxiety about flying for several years, mainly due to turbulence, but hearing your breakdown and knowing how weather tracking has evolved since this time has helped me immensely with rationalizing the buffeting of planes when I’m flying now. Interestingly, I went to Wikipedia to look into this accident a bit more and came across another Braniff flight, 250, from just three years previous, that is almost an exact repeat of 352 (or the other way around; not learning from history and all that). The only significant differences were the location of the crash and the type of aircraft involved. It makes you wonder a bit more about the letter vs spirit of the “law” that the pilots may have followed at BIA.
Was the other crash outside of Falls City, Nebraska? I think that Braniff flight was going from Kansas City to maybe Minneapolis. Crashed outside of Falls City. Don’t remember the year. Maybe late 60’s, early 70’s.
I've watched so many videos where I have only heard your voice. It was amazingly cool to see the face behind the voice! I really enjoyed your weather report. Even being from the southern US where I am used to this kind of weather (especially now in the summer) I learned a whole lot. Thanks! And I hope we get to see you again!
Chloe, You ROCK!!! Amazing talent at put in something like this together. It was so smooth, easy to understand and easy to follow, and you have the nicest most mesmerizing voice. You keep it simple enough for those of us in different professions to be able to follow. I appreciate you so much you are simply amazing.
The Canadians call it the Aurora the US Navy calls it the P-3 Orion. Both are for anti submarine warfare (ASW) and long range patrol. The P-3 is being replaced by the Boeing P-8 Poseidon
Just came across your channel about a month ago. Hands down, the BEST breakdowns of air disasters. You're very knowledgeable. Absolutely brilliant videos. Thanks for all your work and research. ...had to add, it was also amazing to me how Captain Philip told the 1st officer not to talk to control too much, as he was trying to get him to admit they made a mistake. This was an incredible body of work you produced!
As an avid fan of all things air crash/rail crash related (probably the mystery of what went wrong), I honestly would like to commend you for your efforts and content. Genuinely fabulous and you've a way of presenting that holds the attention which some aren't quite able to match. Thank you. Your content is deeply appreciated.
The fact that the captain informed the passangers that "deviating to the west will be more comfortable" it seems to me that for him the storm only seemed like a minor inconvenience and that he was, at that time, convinced that they could even go THROUGH the storm, but that would make the flight less comofortable. Maybe the ATC could have informed the captain a bit sooner that ALL other aircraft went to the east but on the other hand I understand that he did not question the captain as he seemed totally chill and confident at that time...
Let's not sugar coat things. This was pilot error. The suggestion that the ATC owns some of the blame because his warning didn't come "sooner" is weak.
@@refinedsugarefinitely. For one thing, the pilot should have been aware of the limits of his radar. Also, when everyone else was diverting East, he should have considered that maybe someone saw or knew something that they didn't. I'm not saying that everyone should follow like lemmings to the sea, but the majority is often right, especially in a situation like that. In the end, it was the captain's decision, no one else's. Also, keep in mind, that back then there was no such thing as cockpit resource management. Even if the first or second officer I disagreed with the captain, it is unlikely that they would have said anything in disagreement with the captain's decision.
The captain had better weather information. The captain can be blamed maybe for thinking he's smarter than all the other planes, but ATC had nothing to do with it
I really like how you break down and explain all aspects and then place them all together, completing the story bringing the whole story to main disaster beautifully
That weather report was completely outstanding. Good work. You guys really outdid yourselves with this video. I'll be looking forward to the next one. May the 85 souls that were lost continue resting in peace.
Don’t normally comment on videos but today’s an exception! Really enjoy your content and thoughtful presentation plus research. Liking how the format/channel has evolved over time ☺️ The weather section is a brilliant idea! I’d imagine some folks would be very nervous doing that so power to you for doing it! Keep being awesome and look forwards to future content in whatever direction your choose to take it 😊
I've watched your videos for a while, they've all been brilliantly made & well put together, & its great to be able to put a face to the voice of these videos. I don't believe I've seen you on camera before so if this was your first video doing so HELL YEAH GIRL, you did brilliantly & looked great, I know that can be daunting, keep up the great work
Always love to see how small towns pull together in such times. A fire recently took out much of a smaller town and many people showed up with food, water, etc. and made sure all firefighters were taken care of as well as people who lost their homes. A few years ago when we had the blizzard here in Texas, the local water treatment facility was having their pipes begin to freeze over. Many local welders, etc. came out with propane tanks, flame nozzles, and wood to keep fires under the pipes and kept the town from losing water.
This channel is superb at describing air disasters, breaking down and explaining the relevant sections so well. Narration is also first class. I like the longer videos, because I could listen to Chloe all day and I never want the video to end.
I’m seriously impressed by the quality of the research and presentation that goes into each of these episodes. They’re absolutely enthralling. I love that they cover historical air crashes which tend to be overlooked by series like “Air Crash Investigation”. Thank you so much for these. Keep up the fantastic work! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
i tend to enjoy your videos in appreciative silence, but i just have to point out how much i love this new long-form content! incredibly high quality, well researched and informative and captivating at the same time. thank you chloe!
Imagine it's possibly difficult for a creator to experiment with varying video types like this, just because of how heavily the YT algorithm prioritizes specific lengths & formats...? But it seems super-well-suited to the thoughtful, respectful & thoroughly researched documentary content you produce, Chloe, & I hope you feel how much your audience supports your doing whatever fulfils your creative goals & best helps tell these important stories! 👏
Fantastic and respectful video. Very well done. I especially appreciated the comprehensive explanation of the weather situation and the mechanics behind the storms.
I think this video taught me more about the weather than I ever knew, this was awesome work, well worth the wait, very happy and impressed with this and was also great to see you!
Thank you so much for watching this video. A big thanks to friend of the channel, Ally, who helped me with writing the weather report segment. Big thanks to her.
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Love your stuff! Big hugs from Rotherham ❤
I thought it was a face reveal
Oh I thought it was the most surprising face reveal I've ever seen. I was like "oh that's not what I had pictured"
@@Kingtad1136same here...lol
@@Kingtad1136fax
My uncle was on this flight. My brother found this and sent it to me. I have my own family memories of this. I will say it was traumatic listening to the cockpit recordings - we were always told it was lightning strike probable cause. I want to say thank you so very much - your work on this is amazing.
My mom lost her brother and he left behind wife and children. Rip - KG
I am sorry for your family's loss.
My condolences. I can hardly imagine the impact those pilots' decisions had on your family over the years. It was such an avoidable tragedy.😔
was his last name Goodman?
Spiderman no spiderverse
May he rest in peace 🙏🏾🙏🏾❤️❤️😅
In remembrance:
Captain John Ralph Phillips, 45
First Officer John Forest Foster, 32
Second Officer Donald Wayne Crossland, 28
Flight Attendant Jo Carol Brand, 22
Flight Attendant Susanne Elizabeth Renz, 21
Louis Ernest Adin Jr., 48
William Fontaine Alexander, 59
Bernice Josephine Antich, 55
Joe Bailey Barnett Jr., 37
Karney Morris Brent, 47
Ronald D. Brewer, 19
Faye Elaine Brown, 23
Patrick H. Brown, 19
William R. Burton, 40
Thomas Keener Cambre, 37
William Bruce Campbell, 47
Lou Creecie Cherry, 70
Theodore Floyd Clark Sr., 33
Lawrence Rene Cordet, 45
Kenneth Paul Cornella, 32
Wayne Collins, 44
Everett Wayne Corl, 21
Lou Ellen Currier, 31
Edward Laverne Davis, 38
Molly Ann DeWare, 25
James Howard Dinwiddie, 50
Sammy Joe Dobbs, 19
James Earl Doell, 42
Paul Roscoe Ellis Jr., 40
George Glenn Ellwood Jr., 41
John Richard Ford, 57
Miles Jerome Glover, 43
Kenneth Brandt Goodman, 39
Robert Paul Gravesmill, 37
James Calvin Grant, 26
George Henry Harris, 21
John Daniel Haverstock Jr., 39
Charles Wilson Harshaw, 36
Lanora LaVelle Hawkins, 38
Neva Newton Hawkins, 37
Victor Campbell Hayes, 48
Fred Louis Herrman, 51
Henry Stephen Hollis, 21
Franklin Roy Holt, 37
Jackie Dean Hurley, 18
John Ray Kubitz, 34
John T. Llewellyn, 43
Joseph Edwin Lockridge, 35
Louis Ira Masquelier, 29
Robert James Maxwell, 50
Thomas Larrimore Maxwell, 45
Lula Beth McBee, 51
Edwin Calvin McDuff, 32
Hugh Herron McGaughy Jr., 38
Herbert William McCormick, 38
Allen Norfleet McDowell, 46
William McPherson, 37
Manuel J. Medina, 20
William Wade Meeker, 39
Lewis Dean Messersmith, 36
Carol Ann Murray, 22
Lorentz Peter Myhr, 42
Robert Roy Neal, 44
Deborah Cheri O’Neal, 18
Edward Lee Pitts, 32
James Knox Pittard Jr., 55
Ruth Marie Pittard, 46
William Walter Reagan, 40
John Allen Roberts, 33
John Walter Rogers, 37
Fred Albert Ryser III, 21
Diane Jackie Schnell, 18
James Norton Shepperd, 54
Mary Jo Shepperd, 51
Robert Dale Spencer, 54
Jimmy Dan Thompson, 38
William Robert Trotter, 43
William S. Tucker, 47
Norman L. Vagneur, 21
Robert Andrew Whitburn, 19
Robert Odes Whiddon Jr., 48
William Robert Wilcox, 49
Clyde Ray Williams, 37
Lillian Mae Wright, 40
Lavern B. Yochim, 41
Joseph Lockridge was the first black man to represent Dallas County in the Texas legislature.
Seeing the names of the victims makes this so much sadder and real. Thanks for making them people again and not just a statistic. 😢
Dr. Adin was my childhood EENT doctor
@@thomasallen6285 Sorry to hear this. My condolences to you and all those affected by this crash.
Man, I was so hoping this was gonna be one where they got shaken up by turbulence and had injuries, maybe had t do a rough emergency landing and some people died. But This seems like no one made it. Those are the worst. At least we can hope weather tech and more strict safety guidance will make sure something quite this bad will never happen again. It's not ideal, but it's the best possible result from such a horrible tragedy.
My father was a Braniff captain flying the Electra at this same time, in fact he was flying from Dallas to Little Rock on that same afternoon. When we first heard the news of the crash, my mother was very upset because she was not sure which flight he was on. It was not until later in the evening that she received a phone call from him. This video was incredible because we never knew what really happened or that a cockpit voice recording even existed. My father passed away two years ago, we used to discuss the 2 Braniff Electra crashes, I only wish he could have heard this recording as he was a friend of the captain on that flight.
Well, probably best your dad did not hear this. Th e captain of the flt 352, as it turns out, was a creep, as we now know, and he tried to cover up his mistake.
You must have been caught offguard by the unraveling of the crash timeline. This was an amazing report done here.
Oh, wow. Tyvm for sharing.
@@Franklin-pc3xd WE know he was a creep? Who are you speaking for? He screwed up. I've done that. He was under immense stress, and he said something to protect against admitting his mistake. I've probably done that. He was about to die, and he might have known that too. That comment might have been intended for his wife so she wouldn't be burdened by knowledge of his mistake. We do things under stress. He was friends with Mike's dad. That's one person (who knew him personally) who didn't think he was a creep. Maybe he was a good guy who made some initially understandable misjudgements (remember the FO agreed with him, that west was best) and felt he was backed into a corner by the storm and now the controller. That's fight-or-flight mode, a normal, predictable response to stress overload. I don't know enough to judge the guy as a person like you do. WE don't know he was a creep. Some of us might have judged him that way, that's all. He was a fallible human, like the rest of us.
Sorry, dont speak on behalf of "rest of us". He did something that others may or may not do in such circumstances. He had a choice, he made the wrong choice, which is ok, it can't be changed now anyway, but please dont label it as "normal response"
Something that strikes me is how silent the crew are as the plane enters its final moments. No panicked screams, just...doing whatever they could and then a loud crash.
I wouldn't worry about death, according to all the top brains on this rock we are a simulation 😮 , I'm actually looking forward to see the other side, I believe we are so called re spawned 😅, the trick is remembering you were here before.
It's only a guess, but I'll bet they were praying?
@@Yuki-di2rb Badonka
@@ianmangham4570 looking forward to it and I'm totally unafraid of death myself but for different reasons. When I was a young man, a doctor named Raymond Moody wrote a book called Life After life. And along with him, I have been getting as much information as I possibly can all my life and listening to these near-death experiences. Especially people like Dr Eben Alexander, but there are many that never wrote a book and never looked for a fame and you can find them online. I do not believe they are lying. You could pretty much tell on somebody's lying no? But since I've tried to learn as much as I can on this subject it has made me totally unafraid of death. I actually am looking forward to going back to soul School and discussing my life and life itself. Of course I might have a little bit of paperwork at the gates before they let me in, but hey we were all young ones right?
@@Yuki-di2rb look up Dr Raymond Moody and his book Life after Life from 1975. If it starts you on the path to believing there something else afterwards, I'll give you a brighter outlook than a dirt nap lol
Is it me or is this channel becoming better at explaining disasters better than the History and other major box channels?
Agreed.
yes, they are very good at explain stuff and not over explaining and this is the first time I've seen there face 🙂 very brave 🏩🏩💌💌💌
Absolutely!
totally. those things are made for money which means they exaggerate stuff and make it less factual to gain more views. These videos are obviously done with passion with an intention to inform the viewer, even if you dont know anything about aviation you could understand his videos which I love.
It's you.
My grandfather worked for Braniff at the time and drove down from Dallas to the crash sight to help with the recovery. Seeing the wreck and the bodies was so traumatic, he can't even remember how he got back home. All he remembers is the smell of the jet fuel.
Oh my gosh. How awful for him, but so incredibly heroic x
I'm grateful to people like your grandfather who endure trauma like that for the sake of getting important information.
Southwest bought out Braniff shortly afterward
I can't imagine the horrors that he saw. It was very brave of him to drive to the crash site to help.
Is pretty easy to guess how he got back from Mexia via I-45...
(although some of the route was in flux as US 75 wasn't quite overlayed yet)
❗️❗️NOTICE TO FUTURE VIEWERS ❗️❗️
Due to a copyright claim, the Cockpit Voice Recording that was featured in this video has been muted. Massive apologies for this.
Please see the Braniff 352 CVR Here: ua-cam.com/video/h98uCRmN9Q4/v-deo.htmlsi=szm5niKePYx2So5A
Again, apologies, guys.
Hopefully this can be sorted in the meantime. Thank you for understanding.
EDIT/UPDATE: I have done a couple of hours of reading into this.
it looks like there is something going on here. An ongoing case around the copyright status of Cockpit Voice Recordings.
Something I actually was not aware of being an actual thing. So I am going to take this seriously.
Here is a quick breakdown: plagiarismtoday.com/2023/06/22/copyright-in-flight-cockpit-recordings/
I was wondering why I wasn't hearing the recording like before. Good to know! Keep up the good work!
My High School Spanish teacher missed this flight. A few years later I declined a trip to Dallas on a private aircraft to see a Cowboy game. It got caught in a similar type storm returning and crashed in a field SW of Houston. Fate is the hunter.😬
Just saw your reply. I heard a very interesting story about this flight, and it involved a professional golfer competing in the 1968 Houston Open. After shooting a 78 in the first round the day before this accident and figuring he was going to miss the 36-hole cut on Friday he booked a seat on this connecting plane for a trip home to Tacoma Washington. Being a true professional he went out the next day and tried his best and shot 69 to make the cut and cancel his seat. He was able to live another 49 years and credits his good fortune to "never" giving up. Did you know why your Spanish teacher missed his flight? Thanks for your comment.
@@wrenfan I remember she was just late and had left for Hobby from SW Houston after school was over. She was quite shaken the next week.
@@ka5dwi Thanks for the reply. After commenting I realized that the teacher might have been a woman. I actually had a scary moment in 1981 flying home from Tucson Arizona to Richmond Virginia. On the connecting flight from Atlanta to Columbia SC enroute to Richmond we flew through a thunderstorm. Don't know if lightning hit the plane or not but lights went out and plane lost altitude momentary. Lights came back on shortly and plane made it to Columbia safely. After I got back to Richmond I "never" flew again.
These people could never have imagined us listening to their voices 55 years later. Fascinating and sad at the same time.
Who here is reading this comment in 2078 and having a laugh?
It’s actually pretty amazing, I hadn’t put the voice recording into that context, I knew it was from 1968 but it hadn’t registered that this recording is 55 years old, 55! I don’t think those men could’ve ever imagined their voices being listened to all these years later!
@@ZombieSazzaI bet they’d have never imagined it was uploaded on a website called UA-cam. You’d have to explain the concept of the internet, websites, and video streaming just to make them understand. Wonder what stuff people from 2078 will be using. I’d probably still be alive then
Yes, it is sad, because those voices were never supposed to have been heard by the general public. That's the deal that the Airline Pilots' Association has with the NTSB.
@@StringerNews1 You are right. Also part of the agreement added the bulk erase button. That was added because: " The CVR is not meant to spy on the crew. It is there to use as a tool if the crew dies not survive." In the beginning many crew members erased the CVR. Now it is a sign of some kind guilt.
As a native Texan and Houston I approve of this explanation of our weather.
Pretty sure I got a better explanation than Frank Billingsly ever managed.
Chloe nailed it.
@@grmpEqweeri agree she did
@@MarcB.8052
I put it like this: Texas tries to k1ll you, casually, every so often.
@@grmpEqweer yikes im in quebec (canada) so it’s not that bad
This came as a complete surprise. We were presented with a lost voice recording, detailed weather analysis combined with the state of weather radar at the time. This gave much more context to the accident report. A great piece of research, team effort and video presentation
complete surprise, yes.
Actually, the Military version, the P-3 Orion, was still being built at the Marietta, Georgia, facility when I worked there in the early 1990s, and is still being flown by many units around the world as sub hunters and storm chasers.
As noted it was not recognized at the time that hail absorbs rather than reflects radar waves, causing the worst part of the storm to look like a safe path or “hole” on the planes radar screen. This was still happening a decade later with the crash of Southern Airways 242 where the crew was also using radar to navigate a storm.
this comment should be pinned to the top
Thanks!
Hail don't absorb radar waves, they are rather transparent to radar waves in comparison to water droplets. Ice has much lower dielectric constant than liquid water. The contrast between air and liquid water is much larger than between air and ice This must have been well known in 1968.
The fact that they had to put "extremely foolhardy" in an offical book killed me! 😂😂 we need instructions to be that directly honest more often!
Agreed. And for every item we receive in a box with instructions on how to assemble, the warning should read "Men, do not attempt assembly without female guidance". lol
@@YosetimeOh yeah because, Lord knows, women have a historical track record of building…ummmm ooooooh….fv€k all of any significance 😂😂😂
it was the era
Not allowed anymore - fool shaming!
@@brabhamfreaman166I don’t know much, on top of a few world-renowned architects, there have also been inventors of dishwasher, wifi, computer programming, steam-ship propellers, gas-powered heating, circular saw, etc, who happened to be women.
"Stop talking to him. He wants us to admit we made a mistake by going this way."
Wow, nice one Cap. Way to put your perceived integrity above the 80 lives you were in charge of keeping safe. At least you never had to admit your mistake...
Pure Bravado - he was probably scared out of his mind at this point and trying to figure out what to do.
@@lisaa8795 That was fight, flight, or freeze mode, like any of us when we're cornered. He was cornered by the storm he thought he understood, then by a controller he perceives doing the same. Or... maybe he was thinking of his wife and the burden she'd have if he died, knowing it was all down to his judgement. He gave her something to cling to, a reason to doubt the worst. Was it on purpose? I dunno. His reputation is obviously in ruins. Maybe he wanted to salvage that one bit, for himself if he survived or for her if he didn't.
He was way too worried about his reputation. Listen to his speech about being on time for 96% of flights. I’m sorry, but tardiness is so not important when it comes to safety. I’m sad that I even have to state this.
@@meadahagain Most likely the airline tells them they have to plug the airline.
That's a lot to read into that one little statement. It seems he realized he had made a mistake and felt the ATC was needling him about it. Since he requested a course change shortly after that, it doesn't seem like he was trying to cover up anything. In fact he was actually admitting to the co-pilot that they had made a mistake and needed to correct.
Ironically if they had been more stubborn and stuck to their original plan, it might have been a better outcome, since it was the attempted 180 degree turn that caused the plane to lose control and break up.
For anyone traveling through DFW, if you have some extra time, you might find a visit to the Braniff International Airways Chapel across from gate B25 as interesting as I did. Very few people today know anything about Braniff, but the small chapel is an interesting place to remember a very interesting airline.
Honestly I think the longer, more in depth videos are worth scrapping the weekly schedule. They're worth the wait!
Cheers Chloe!
Absolutely YES
seconded 👍
Concur, wholeheartedly. Chloe hit this one out of the ballpark with the format change. Well done, Chloe!!
Concur 100%. Her videos are so well done that I don’t even notice the length half the time, and I have ADHD so hopefully that means something 😅
Is she transgendered if I have got that right? I’m not taking the p***s whatsoever I’m just wondering, not that, that matters; was just confused thats all.
Oh yes just googled. Is she Irish although I’m not the best in identifying accents!! x
Imagine hearing your dad's voice, giving life saving instructions, only to be ignored. Nonetheless, a memorable moment for the brothers. Wow, awesome video.
I wish all this data could be used to recreate flight paths and the weather conditions.
My thoughts too. It would have the albeit grown up kids understand their father more and also perhaps a deeper feeling of respect of their father , particularly if he had ptsd as a result if the incident and investigation that followed. It is a really heavy burden to carry knowing you were a truth teller and messenger of caution but were entirely ignored by those whom caused the great tragedy because they failed to accept direction.
I commend the people of Dawson for their fast response, working around the clock, giving so much support. it must be horrific to work through any crash site, especially one where it's impossible to identify a person's remains.
What an incredible community, literally every one of them stopped doing what they were doing because something else was more important.
Been a flight attendant for 30 years and was based in Dallas for a few years. You have never seen more violent and volatile weather in your life. Windshears for days. Brought down Delta191 in 1985. Thank God airplanes have become so advanced with severe weather automation. Thanks Chloe.
Especially in the spring! Yikes it gets crazy here
I didn’t expect a actual meteorological report with you as a meteorologist. It was a nice touch !
The weather report was a great touch! ⛈👍
She’s a healthy gal!
Please tell me that was a voice over. This is my first time watching this channel.
@@charlylucky7508 Considering they have some education in meteorology, it is not a voice over. It's Chloe doing it herself
@@FransBlaas1 There are women with deeper voices... Just enjoy the video, don't be an ass.
Excellent explanation of this terrible crash.
One part of the recording that struck me was the captain's remark to the F/E, "Don't talk to him (ATC Wilson) too much. He's just trying to get us to admit that we made a big mistake ."
Sounds like that captain had an ego problem. Very sad.
I agree. That was no time to hide mistakes. Rather it was a time to admit to any mistakes and do what you can to fix them.
I don't really see it as the captain trying to hide anything. In fact he was, with that statement, admitting his mistake to the copilot. He may have been annoyed with the ATC, but that didn't really effect anything, since he was still willing to request a 180 degree turn from ATC moments later. (Which ironically was another mistake.)
I don't see it that way at all. He was facing certain death he wanted to focus on trying to do whatever he could to avoid it - he saw that conversation as a needless distraction and pouring salt in the wound at a time where he was literally wrestling the plane to try to not die.
He went the wrong way not because of pride but because his data was flawed. He trusted his equipment.
The passenger announcement mention of the airline being on time 96% may also have reflected the captain's mindset.
Captain likely thought it was less distance and quicker going west and through an assumed gap in the thunderstorm system . The Captain was eager to maintain the airline's 96% on-time statistic. That decision was a factor in the fatal outcome.
I was on the site of this crash shortly after it happened. I was with a fellow TV news reporter, and we were closer than any other television station. We had just wrapped up- preparing materials for the early evening news and were out to eat when we were called. Traveling north toward Dawson, we passed through rain so heavy that all I could see was the tail lights of the highway patrol car in front of me. If that's what they had crashed in, they would never have seen the ground coming. It was a large crash site, fortunately not too far from the road, dense with small trees and brush, mostly covered with small chunks of aircraft. The sun went down, and it was a nightmare scene. There was little if any fire. Fortunately, while the entire crash scene was very large, the recovery scene was reasonably manageable. I believe the nose of the cockpit struck the ground nose down. I found a large crater, and at the bottom was the captain's cap. Officials monitoring recoveries and counting remains at the school gym were at first confused by counting 86 bodies from a flight that was recorded at 85 passengers and crew. And then the manifest revealed the corpse among the freight.
I shot a couple of rolls of 16mm film and left my partner there with the sound camera and returned to the station. I sat with the film processor operators and took the film from the drier, still wet, and mounted it on the control room projectors wet, and we ran it raw. Fortunately, it did not depict any human remains, since we had no time to edit it and barely got it on the late news. Quite a night for an 18 year old reporter.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Yes thank you for sharing - rest in peace kbg
Wow what an amazing video! Your presentation, editing, narration, accuracy, all perfect, subscribed!!
As my old ground instructor once said, planes tend to fly into the sides of thunderstorms & out the bottom in pieces.
I'll remember that
Wow! concise AND frightening!
It was due to this accident that this phrase was invented?
@aerohk WHEN this accident happened, aviation was already 50 years old. Pilots knew very well the danger of flying into storms
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I don't get why they kept flying lower, when you would think they would try to fly over.
Cb clouds can be very tall, but down low is where the worst is at (and the ground).
They wanted to be on time, and climbing would consume it...
That weather report was THE BEST EVER!! Jaw dropped, wig snatched, knickers lost, LOVE THAT YOU DID THAT!!
This ⬆️
I am still reconciling what he actually did. She, with exactly his voice. What is going on?
@@Yosetime She's transgender.
They make really cool disaster videos
@hellfire08 she's trans, hope this helps 💖
I don't often get too emotional over long-ago tragedies of this kind. But I shed more than a few tears for these poor folks. It's good, they were remembered as we all deserve to be. A great video.
As a long time pilot and Part 121 accident investigator, this was a superb presentation. Weather, in all its forms, is the greatest causes of accidents. Radar is a great aid but has its traps. Experience will reveal those. Once again, thanks for the most informative video.
Having flown in and out of Houston many times in the course of my career as an airline pilot, I came to grow intimately familiar with the type of thunderstorms mentioned in this case. The rule was to avoid them at all costs. The weather radar that I had to work with was infinitely better than what they had back then.
Even today, under certain circumstances, modern weather radar can be fooled and what can appear as a "break" in the storm, is actually not one at all... As you say, best to avoid thunderstorms at all costs!
@@jamiecheslo This. Is true. We where taught to observe the 20 mile rule. In the late model Boeings that I flew, the weather radar display was integrated into the moving map display. You could always see where the weather was in relation to your course line.
When you are cruising at around FL32, is it safe to fly above these storms, or can turbulence still cause an upset.?
@@wilsjane It depended on how much clearance we had between the aircraft and the tops of the storm, but generally we tried to avoid that when it was close because of turbulence.
@@wilsjane FL32 will not get you above any storm in Texas. You never ever fly above a thunderstorm - period.
I got so caught up in the weather report i forgot i was watching an air accident breakdown video 😂
Yea lol I don't get why everyone else doesn't like the weather portion of the video, I thought it was good
@@thekansan8683 I was hoping she would school us on tornadoes :p
Having been through Dawson Texas many times in the last few years tell you that the people there are still just as nice and friendly and willing to help as they work 55 years ago.
"Why am I waving? I do this every time" Chloe is now both playing characters and breaking character. Love it
Beautifully produced and narrated. Definitely a sub from me! You and Mentour Pilot now share the top spot of aviation-related channels for me.
I just started to watch this channel today and IMO this is a better channel than mentour Pilot. She's way better!! Blessings to you all from Puerto Rico with lot's of love
Yes mentor pilot a great one as well as 74 Gear channel too.
I forget green dot aviation
I love Mentor Pilot, but I just can't go back after the BetterHelp sponsor
@@raymondtorres-gy8ujshe?
This is one of the most informative and attention grabbing videos I have ever seen in such a while and I feel beyond lucky that I get to learn from this and beyond proud of your work and effort. This is the highest quality and hope you enjoyed putting it together
You do such a fabulous job of explaining complex issues. The amount of detail in your research is phenomenal, plus your voice is so relaxing. You do such a great job every time, thank you!
Ok the weather channel bit is absolutely cool
Glad you liked it!
@@DisasterBreakdowneyeliner on point, I see. Impressive!
When (they?) did the weather channel bit i didn’t expect (them?) to look like that but. (they?) do amazing videos and the editing is very good. Don’t take this the wrong way, I was just caught off guard. Edit: I didn’t see the other comments first. Still a good bit!
@@DisasterBreakdown do you think you could do a case study on probably one of the most ridiculous cases of miss communication, falling asleep on the job and a runway incursion aeroflot flight 3352, or the 1990 Wayne County airport Collison, or Ozark air flight 809?
Absolutely awesome 👍🏼
"It's been a pleasure having you all on board today, I hope you have a very pleasant day in Dallas".
That one sentence made to the passengers from the captain just stuck out to me, and felt very sad. Little did any of them know... 😔
What got me was the Captain telling the First Officer not to talk to the ATC too much because he was trying to get them to admit they'd made a mistake going through the storm.
Yeah if only he'd been doing his job rather than trying to be the tanoy heartthrob
Even after they made the mistake and headed into the storm, he broke his own airlines policy and training by not flying directly through the storm but rather trying to make 180 degree turn.
The preservation and recovery of the original CVR tape is the most fascinating part of this video. I wonder what else can be found in audio archives?
An original color videotape from the 1950s of Fred Astaire was supposedly found by a TV engineer upon the occasion of his retirement many years later (1990's, I think; the date is better known to some). He was cleaning out his filing cabinets and there it was.
Googleing for Fred Astaire old video will allow you to learn more and actually see the show. I cannot say if what you see is from the "filing-cabinet" tape or from another version. The quality is quite good; today's TV sets and computer monitors probably render a better picture than early color receivers ever could!
Been loving your channel for a while! It was great to get a glimpse of the talent behind the voice. You rock Chloe ❤
I suppose the beautiful part that came from the crash is how Dawson came together, they really did as much as they could to help where they could, even erecting a memorial and holding a yearly service, there’s something beauty among the devastation
I liked flying in the Electra. My Dad worked for National Airlines and as a kid I got to fly often.
Sadly I have never been able to see one. Would love to see one take off!
@@DisasterBreakdown I was flying on one yesterday morning. Hell of a plane. Incredible sound
@@carslayergod I’m jealous, the Electra just sounds absolutely amazing and is a gorgeous craft!
@@DisasterBreakdown The last survivors of the Electra is currently living in Northern Canada and Buffalo Airways.
Most of them are fire bombers, but there are 1-2 freighters still in operation.
The second flight I ever took was on an Eastern Electra on January 1, 1960. From Miami to Newark.
You are so talented!!!! You tell stories in such a compelling manner, your voice work is great, your editing, and design is amazing!!!!
As an airline pilot I can say that it isn’t uncommon to visually navigate between storm cells. We most often follow other aircraft ahead, but not always. Air Traffic Control sometimes even asks aircraft if they are willing to be “Trail Blazers” to see if there may be an alternate route around storm cells. I empathize with the captain and first officer. They thought they saw a way through and made a judgment call. Unfortunately, it didn’t go their way. The 180 turn had been a common tactic and still is today for slower aircraft, the idea being to minimize time of exposure to severe weather. In this case they likely would have made it out the other side if they stayed the course. It’s easy to judge from the comfort of the living room.
as a casual observer, it seems to me that the ATC could have been a bit more (hard to come up with the right word) forceful? with his recommendation to go East???
It's extremely rare that we get the full story of how leaked cockpit voice recordings ended up in public hands. I love that we can basically follow the whole chain of events here. Other than I guess how it all ended up in a barn.
This ranks up there with one of the weirdest aircraft accident reports I've watched in a very long time. That aside, I've been a Texas resident all my 75 years and am quite familiar with the weather patterns described here, particularly in the late spring when cold air masses still drift down from Canada and collide with the warm, moist air coming in from the Gulf of Mexico creating a clash of air masses. Not sure why the airline personnel at the time didn't recognize these air mass patterns well before they actually formed.
The air traffic controller seemed very aware. The pilots just didn’t listen
Pilot seemed too obsessed with the company's image. I don't even know why he should mention those things in the PA he did. They could do that at the airport, waiting lounge, or print it on brochures, or a number of other ways.
Thank you SO much for your explanation of how clouds, precipitation, and storms form. That was the clearest and most understandable explanation I've ever run across. And as an obsessive disaster junkie, I've run across a lot of them in the last 30 years or so.
Thank you for all of your time and work making this available for aviation enthusiast to hear. Great job!
I love your videos, they are the most detailed ones I ever watched on You Tube. No silly sad music, original flight and voice recorder, good graphics and much else. Furthermore your voice is very relaxing and useful for people like me, who suffer insomnia. Keep up the good work! Cheers!
Excellent rendition and weather report.
How nice to see you - I always enjoy seeing the content creators and the “face behind the voice.” Also, I thought you treated this story with a great amount of care and respect. Thank you.
Are you serious?
@@andrewcox8807Get off the internet for once and make something out of your life, lazy 🙄
@@andrewcox8807Well, the face behind the content.
"Holy shit, she's a girl!"
He's a girl..🤔
Thank you for including the story about the lost tapes!! I’m in media studies/media archaeology, so cockpit voice recordings & black boxes are often the most interesting part of the story to me.
(you’re also doing some great ‘media preservation’ yourself, going back and researching and re-telling all these stories in a new format. Very cool!!! :) it was lovely to see your face in the weather girl segment too! ^^)
Excellent job on this, Chloe! I definitely appreciate the more in-depth coverage, and your references to the NTSB Final Report. Well done.
It's hard to know what you would do as a pilot when the controller basically says "are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?"
But most decent, reasonable people wouldn't think selfishly and put their ego ahead of safety or admitting they made a mistake. That captain did not have the right personality to be in any position of power:
"Stop taking to him (i.e. the guy giving you info that disagrees with our beliefs/attitudes). This is an especially egregious example of confirmation bias and belief perseverance.
"He's trying to get us to admit we're wrong". Totally unacceptable response to any situation, especially a life and death one. Shame on people that think like that, assuming differing viewpoints are a personal insult, it's almost as if they think humility and empathy are 'weaknesses'. They cause so much harm and often lash out at people who simply hold opposing views to their own.
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What a sanctimonious position to take.
He trusted his weather radar - the hail made it appear as if there was a break in the weather. He trusted his data rather than someone else's
He was facing certain death and had someone on the radio far away from danger saying 'seeeeee I told you sooo!'
How would you react when your fighting for your life, the mistakes you've made are plain to see but right in that moment all you try to do is wrestle this machine to safety NOT perform a Mia culpa
Ok, the whole weather girl thing is very cute. ❤ I love the new, longer content with all the added info. Super well researched, very informative, but even better because it's well explained and engaging. I've enjoyed your videos for years, but this new direction is awesome.
Thank you so much for your kind words, legend!
@@DisasterBreakdownyou’ve got to be kidding, dude
@@aodhan3153no one’s a kid except you, dude.
@@kat.w.RBF444 not a kid unfortunately. Just amazed at how selfish and self centered people are nowadays. It’s sad
@@aodhan3153 What the hell is wrong with you? How is saying thanks selfish? I do not understand your comment.
It's great that you told of the people of Dawson. It's good to give credit to unsung heroes. We hear so much about bad people, it's grand to hear about ordinary people acting in extraordinary ways. Thank you.
I started being taken on airplanes by the late 1950s, and when I watch videos like this I realize how often planes crashed in the past, and how lucky I was to have never been in a disaster like this one.
Brilliant weather report! I believe that's the clearest and most thorough explanation I've ever heard of that type of storm formation.
Absolutely!! It was very informative.
You have outdone yourself this time. Well worth the wait. Especially liked the weather section. Great explanation of how thunderstorms work. Good to see the person behind these great videos.
Wow. Your content is fantastic. Really well produced and you are a joy to listen to. Highly entertaining and full of excellent detail. Really impressive. Thank you.
You are also so respectful of the loss of life and those ultimately affected- more so than any other such creators. I truly appreciate this
What a fantastic video of an event that caused me the loss of a dear friend that day. I still live in Dallas, and I still have contact with my friend's widow. Due to respect for her and her now grown children, I chose not to list his name. Thank you.
I’ve loved your videos for a long time and I have to say, in the past couple months with you taking more time on each video, the quality has jumped up so high so fast!! Honestly feels like watching a full documentary with like a whole team and big budget. You’re amazing keep it up!!! 💕💕
Thank you for covering this incident, Chloe. I have had anxiety about flying for several years, mainly due to turbulence, but hearing your breakdown and knowing how weather tracking has evolved since this time has helped me immensely with rationalizing the buffeting of planes when I’m flying now.
Interestingly, I went to Wikipedia to look into this accident a bit more and came across another Braniff flight, 250, from just three years previous, that is almost an exact repeat of 352 (or the other way around; not learning from history and all that). The only significant differences were the location of the crash and the type of aircraft involved. It makes you wonder a bit more about the letter vs spirit of the “law” that the pilots may have followed at BIA.
Was the other crash outside of Falls City, Nebraska? I think that Braniff flight was going from Kansas City to maybe Minneapolis. Crashed outside of Falls City. Don’t remember the year. Maybe late 60’s, early 70’s.
One of your best videos yet! I enjoyed the weather report segment. This story is so fascinating yet tragic; my heart goes out to those affected.
I've watched so many videos where I have only heard your voice. It was amazingly cool to see the face behind the voice! I really enjoyed your weather report. Even being from the southern US where I am used to this kind of weather (especially now in the summer) I learned a whole lot. Thanks! And I hope we get to see you again!
the weather report section was super cute but also super informative !! loving these longer videos, the editing and detail is stellar
Chloe, You ROCK!!! Amazing talent at put in something like this together. It was so smooth, easy to understand and easy to follow, and you have the nicest most mesmerizing voice. You keep it simple enough for those of us in different professions to be able to follow. I appreciate you so much you are simply amazing.
This channel just keeps getting better and better. Knew I'd get an aviation lesson but didn't expect a meteorology lesson.
Yeah, who is actually talking? The woman, or the Narrator?
@@AJayAnswersYou
Chloe, the woman behind the channel.
i adore the longer videos!! i do find myself missing the weekly uploads somewhat - but the production on the new videos makes it well worth the wait 💞
Very well done , thorough and edited pro, that’s a lot of work right there to put together. Can’t find better than this anywhere on UA-cam.
Great video, thank you! You are really good at explaining things properly and giving insight into every disaster you study.
Many Electras are still flying in the Arctic, as freighters or fire fighting tankers. The airframe also evolved into the Aurora naval airplane.
The Canadians call it the Aurora the US Navy calls it the P-3 Orion. Both are for anti submarine warfare (ASW) and long range patrol. The P-3 is being replaced by the Boeing P-8 Poseidon
Just came across your channel about a month ago. Hands down, the BEST breakdowns of air disasters. You're very knowledgeable. Absolutely brilliant videos. Thanks for all your work and research.
...had to add, it was also amazing to me how Captain Philip told the 1st officer not to talk to control too much, as he was trying to get him to admit they made a mistake. This was an incredible body of work you produced!
This channel is fantastic!!! I love the creator’s smooth voice and incredibly clear and concise commentary. Top notch !!
As an avid fan of all things air crash/rail crash related (probably the mystery of what went wrong), I honestly would like to commend you for your efforts and content. Genuinely fabulous and you've a way of presenting that holds the attention which some aren't quite able to match. Thank you. Your content is deeply appreciated.
The fact that the captain informed the passangers that "deviating to the west will be more comfortable" it seems to me that for him the storm only seemed like a minor inconvenience and that he was, at that time, convinced that they could even go THROUGH the storm, but that would make the flight less comofortable.
Maybe the ATC could have informed the captain a bit sooner that ALL other aircraft went to the east but on the other hand I understand that he did not question the captain as he seemed totally chill and confident at that time...
Let's not sugar coat things. This was pilot error. The suggestion that the ATC owns some of the blame because his warning didn't come "sooner" is weak.
@@refinedsugarefinitely. For one thing, the pilot should have been aware of the limits of his radar. Also, when everyone else was diverting East, he should have considered that maybe someone saw or knew something that they didn't. I'm not saying that everyone should follow like lemmings to the sea, but the majority is often right, especially in a situation like that. In the end, it was the captain's decision, no one else's. Also, keep in mind, that back then there was no such thing as cockpit resource management. Even if the first or second officer I disagreed with the captain, it is unlikely that they would have said anything in disagreement with the captain's decision.
It was the captain's decision to make. He could have inquired more about who was deviating what direction, too.
The captain had better weather information. The captain can be blamed maybe for thinking he's smarter than all the other planes, but ATC had nothing to do with it
Another fantastic video Chloe! Given this CVR resurfaced, it really makes you wonder what else will.
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Absolutely love how you produce these videos, thank you so much for creating top quality content .
I really like how you break down and explain all aspects and then place them all together, completing the story bringing the whole story to main disaster beautifully
the irl weather segment was so well presented! great video as always chloe!!
That weather report was completely outstanding. Good work. You guys really outdid yourselves with this video. I'll be looking forward to the next one. May the 85 souls that were lost continue resting in peace.
Fantastic content! Im so glad I found this channel and have a backlog to binge watch.
Wow you have done an amazing job with this, I love the new format!
Don’t normally comment on videos but today’s an exception!
Really enjoy your content and thoughtful presentation plus research. Liking how the format/channel has evolved over time ☺️
The weather section is a brilliant idea! I’d imagine some folks would be very nervous doing that so power to you for doing it!
Keep being awesome and look forwards to future content in whatever direction your choose to take it 😊
I've watched your videos for a while, they've all been brilliantly made & well put together, & its great to be able to put a face to the voice of these videos. I don't believe I've seen you on camera before so if this was your first video doing so HELL YEAH GIRL, you did brilliantly & looked great, I know that can be daunting, keep up the great work
Gosh Chloe! So amazed at all the work you put into these. Thank you 😊
You do such a great job explaining things in your videos.:) the weather system lesson was quite helpful and appreciated, thanks!
You're very welcome!
Sincerely soul tugging to see all the people come together to attempt the rescue.
Yeah, that bit touched me quite deeply! Even in such a rough weather, the community all came together to help where it was needed
Always love to see how small towns pull together in such times. A fire recently took out much of a smaller town and many people showed up with food, water, etc. and made sure all firefighters were taken care of as well as people who lost their homes. A few years ago when we had the blizzard here in Texas, the local water treatment facility was having their pipes begin to freeze over. Many local welders, etc. came out with propane tanks, flame nozzles, and wood to keep fires under the pipes and kept the town from losing water.
These videos are so fantastic! I’ve been addicted for a while now. Thanks for all the hard work you put into this superb channel!
You were born to do this. Best on the web. You do an absolutely perfect job with these documentaries. Thank you :)
Excellent breakdown of the events leading up to the crash. Really love the detail. thanks for your hard work on this video!
This channel is superb at describing air disasters, breaking down and explaining the relevant sections so well. Narration is also first class. I like the longer videos, because I could listen to Chloe all day and I never want the video to end.
I'm not sure how it's possible but you made extremely complex weather easier to understand. Thank you!
Thank you so much for watching.
I’m seriously impressed by the quality of the research and presentation that goes into each of these episodes. They’re absolutely enthralling. I love that they cover historical air crashes which tend to be overlooked by series like “Air Crash Investigation”. Thank you so much for these. Keep up the fantastic work! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Beautiful narration - SO CLEAR!
Thank you, love your channel, best regards from Phuket - Thailand!
Expat Australian here, keep up the TERRIFIC work 🙂
Another amazing production, full feature, well documented, perfectly narrated. Thank you so much for all your hard work 💙💙
i tend to enjoy your videos in appreciative silence, but i just have to point out how much i love this new long-form content! incredibly high quality, well researched and informative and captivating at the same time. thank you chloe!
Thank you so much for your kind words
Imagine it's possibly difficult for a creator to experiment with varying video types like this, just because of how heavily the YT algorithm prioritizes specific lengths & formats...? But it seems super-well-suited to the thoughtful, respectful & thoroughly researched documentary content you produce, Chloe, & I hope you feel how much your audience supports your doing whatever fulfils your creative goals & best helps tell these important stories! 👏
Fantastic and respectful video. Very well done. I especially appreciated the comprehensive explanation of the weather situation and the mechanics behind the storms.
I think this video taught me more about the weather than I ever knew, this was awesome work, well worth the wait, very happy and impressed with this and was also great to see you!
No one going to mention the tragic disaster that occurred at 16:48 ???
I didn't even notice that, wooooow!