In my opinion, Hiori is slightly faster than Lorenzo. I would recall chapter for evidence but my arms hurt but I might edit my comment. But Hiori definitely dusted Lorenzo in speed at least twice
@@blessinganwana9854ness don’t matter the fact that he was locking down Kaiser is a feat in itself just because hiori was getting off towards the end of the game doesn’t mean anything
@@blessinganwana9854 i think he means physically weak. As in would struggle in a body press from someone like kunigami. Which is why he uses his agility and style to take the ball before situations like that are possible.
@@gsmoke9630 I mean it does mean something but I can understand where you’re coming from. Also Hiori had an unexpected play-style and understood Lorenzo’s weakness. I think Hiori understood Lorenzo more than Lorenzo understood Lorenzo.
I think Charles vision should be called or some form of roulette meta vision, both his eyes and his play style suit this name. Finding the most dangerous passes yet having a higher possibility of failing, Charles contrarian nature suit a roulette very well.
Charles meta vision is the normal meta vision pattern Snuffy and everyone else has and is shown in chapter 254. This “roulette” is using a passing eye to find the best passing timing / pass course similar to predator eye being used to find the best shooting timing / shot course.
@@silversauceran that's a neat theory and i might do a video on it as this fits wit Sae as well kinda like Kaiser's PE, Sae and Charles have this new Eye Damn i need to do it quick and give u a shot out as well
Best blue lock video ive ever watched. You are clearly very passionate about the series and are very well informed on it as well. Your analysis is well thought out and very smart
Really good breakdown and I’m pretty much with you. A couple things I’ve thought about the last couple months though is first Charles passing ability reminds me of a kind of MF version of Predator Eye. He analyses the field and picks out the most dangerous course kind of meme. The second thing I’ve been thinking about is in regards to physical stats. We continuously see people like Isagi and Hiori with lower values on speed but they keep blitzing faster players time and time again. I imagine it all comes down to reaction speed vs raw speed which comes from their reflexive movement. Personally, I think Isagi has closed the gap physically to most other BL players during the NEL to a point where it’s negligible but I get that most people would find that hard to believe just because they had a decent advantage and it’s not like a Rin or Barou (just for example) are lazy in the slightest. So I would have to argue unlocking Meta vision gave Isagi some kind of power boost like the 8 inner gates or something (which makes no sense) or he has thoroughly out worked other payers that have been training just as much as him. I would say thought that Isagi is super close to a Kaiser type in speed, lower body stg and core stg but he doesn’t work at all on arms and shit so his character model doesn’t do him favors. One funny meme about that though is right before the Ubers match Isagi is warming up and does a little jump where it looks like he has about a 45 inch vert. I’m sure the author was just being excessive there though since he only shows a feat close to that when he blocks Chris Prince’s shot. If he could actually get up like that normally I’m sure Hiori would try to get him to do more mid air battles, lol.
@ACE_Locki think it makes sense he catched up a bit on speed with other egoists who already had a far more intense training regimen(ex barou, rin), their physical prowess was already at 100% while isagi was probably only around 85% of his capabilities. In other words everyone else was prime/closer to it.
Does anyone notice how hiori and isagi aura are similar look at 4:08 were isagi has his puzzle peaces coming off his body and hiori has the broken glass coming off its like there body is made of puzzle/glass and it shatters to symbolize there awakenings/level ups
there is a panel at the end of Ch 237 where Hiori and Isagi's aura's mixed when they had the same idea i think Jigsaw pieces and Shards do the same thing and that it fall into their place and build a bigger picture, the only difference Isagi is more constructive than Hiori due to Jigsaws being easier to build than welding shards
W video as always man, I just have one thing to say. In the middle of chapter 254, when hiroi try to stop Charles for the fist time and fail, we see Charles with the normal MV pattern. Since we've never seen isagi having the normal MV pattern, I'm assuming Charles's eyes are something else. Imo, I Think it's some kind of predator eye, but for passing, allowing the user to see the mosg effective pass course. But we'll probably have an answer soon anyway
You should do a video where u give a lot of players a in depth stat card. I haven’t seen many people try that, and you seem to be good at evaluating players👍
If you guys have read Boruto and know about kawaki and isshiki dojutsu then you will understand my theory I think Charles has sukunahikona which is his second eye as the design is very similar and even the small circle in the middle for kawaki it’s to shrink and grow objects for Charles is to shrink his passes to the very extreme being near impossible shown against kaiser and ness thanks to his contrarian ways and at the same time increase the chances for a super goal depending on who is receiving the pass
Bro kaiser is always nerfed only in few moments the author thinks"Ahh yes there is a broken guy somewhere"and then he does a thing or two and gets sidelined again bro he never has his MV activated I guess he is just a plot device for plotsagi
i believe snuffy’s ocular abilities are only better because of his superior physicality from isagi. hope we’ll be given more improvements on isagis vision as well as his other stats so he can keep up with himself and not be reliant so much on other’s strengths..(maybe a 1v1 move like a vanishing drive??)
in my opinion i think hiori takes it bc as you mentioned better dribling imo better psysicality and better atacking. And all there other stats are almost similar exept metavision wich charles has a litlle better so in my opinion hiori clears and better passing
Why didn’t you mention Karasu when discussing Hiori’s dribble? He used the exact same technique and moves we saw Karasu use in 3rd selection. Pre-BL in the light novel it’s said Hiori studied Karasu intensely bc he was interested in him.
@@ACE_Lock yea he definitely has, MV is such an elite skill. That’s just me nitpicking. Otherwise perfect video; par the course for Ace Lock. I just think the use of hands to use the opposite defender’s center of gravity against them and propel himself is pretty technical/tactical and useful going up against Charles who has less physicality and less experience. I think that helps Hiori edge a bit with his above average physique a bit (Olympian genetics + youth academy + 6’0ft tall + black in a manga (jk lol)). The one stop Charles had was very good he did achieve on his own, but it was still a ‘blindside from behind’ type thing when Hiori was focused on offense; same way Rin stopped Kaiser, and Hiori stopped Rin. I don’t think in these three scenarios (add Niko x Raichi) it would result in a stop, or at least not the same type of stop yk?
@@ACE_Lock I just would like to see the best u20 formation possible, considering there are a lot of options. You seem really good at making formations so I think you can make a pretty strong one
hey bro do you think Isagi is overated , I had a debate with one of my friends and they telling me that isagi is a better striker than barou.(ok maybe im exaggerating a bit but i feel people are ignoring how good his teammates are expescially when his whole thing is using teammates) you cant ignore his collarbar of teammate when he uses them to score . its like ignoring that shidou had sae on his side when he scored in U 20
He 100% i think he is amazing but i sometimes hate how fast he improves it diminishes the feel of his new weapons, take protagonist feeling for example, it's an insane weapon but gets foreshadowed by MV because they basically happened at the same time
I don’t agree defensively Hiori has way better feats. Albeit Charles deserves credit for his interceptions, hiori has numerous blocks including the one on rins shot which would’ve been a goal. Hiori is a better defender imo
This is just false... Its not capitalizing opportunities with teammates but capitalizing opportunities with Isagi specifically (as of current point of time) The problem with Hiori is if he actually has a teammate that can read his plays otherwise his passes aren't going to connect. As of right now basically no one can keep up with Isagi's ideas except Hiori and vice versa. Rin/Kaiser in their attempt to stop Isagi, they had given up on trying to read the game and instead do what Barou does by tracking Isagi's movements pouncing on the opportunities he creates. Not saying Charles is flawless as his issue is his personality. He's not going to make easy passes and so needs a teammate like Shidou who is as much of a risk taker as he is. Both midfielders have weaknesses of needing players of the same mindset otherwise both are basically playing handicapped. The fact Charles is a better individual player makes him a better choice on a random team than Hiori. You'd only pick Hiori over Charles if you know that your team already includes Isagi or someone near his level of in-game foresight
@@Very_Hauntly what are you talking about? How can you even say that? When has Hiori performed to this level without Isagi on the pitch? Bro couldn't even get on the pitch without Isagi. If Isagi never said anything in the Ubers game Jin would have been subbed on when Noa came off. Due to Noa's philosophy, Kiyora Jin is a better player than Hiori without proper teammates. So if Jin is rated more highly than Hiori then how is Charles, a stater for PXG and their best original player, worse than Hiori without proper teammates? Not only that, prior to the Bastard Munchen game, the PXG system never played Shidou and Rin at the same time. This indicates that Charles had been playing without Shidou, and performing (since none of the Blue Lock players had a significant price increase in the game Rin scored a hattrick). This shows that Charles can perform without Shidou whereas Hiori has only performed with Isagi. Therefore how the hell did you come to the conclusion that Hiori performs better without Isagi than Charles without Shidou? And if we were to assume that all Charles/Hiori had were absolute garbage teammates then this should be a complete point for Charles because he's a better individual player than Hiori.
@@colonelcider8292 yes charles does work fine with rin too, but just because we haven't directly seen hiori work with anyone else than isagi, doesnt mean he cant do it. based on their attitudes and playstyles, its safe to assume that hiori is more versatile with different types of players, mainly strikers. we see that he says that he is open to working with more than JUST isagi, whereas with charles, he didnt have a choice, being that rin was the only striker at those times. your argument here is basically "well we havent seen it so he cant".
Which is? What charles has done since the beginning of the match blows away everything hiori has done but if you asked me who would I rather have on my team it’d be hiori
"Why hiori vs charles isnt close"
he lied as natural as he breathe.
😂 he really did. Hiori is a monster through and through
the title is for the YT allgorithm and doesn't spoile the result
@@ACE_Locktrue otherwise people will not watch the whole video
@@ACE_LockI remember a vid where you said rin is better than isagi
@@litt120 i mean whats wrong tbh
Hiori and Isagi are gonna be what sae & rin always wanted to be
ikr
There’s foreshadowing that sae will work with isagi
Sae and Rin were already a monster duo in their childhood
In my opinion, Hiori is slightly faster than Lorenzo. I would recall chapter for evidence but my arms hurt but I might edit my comment. But Hiori definitely dusted Lorenzo in speed at least twice
100% but as i stated in my Lorenzo vs Sae vid, Lorenzo has a weird physicality where he is weak and slow but with an agility over 9000
Wdym weak? He was able to hold back kaiser and Ness @@ACE_Lock
@@blessinganwana9854ness don’t matter the fact that he was locking down Kaiser is a feat in itself just because hiori was getting off towards the end of the game doesn’t mean anything
@@blessinganwana9854 i think he means physically weak. As in would struggle in a body press from someone like kunigami. Which is why he uses his agility and style to take the ball before situations like that are possible.
@@gsmoke9630 I mean it does mean something but I can understand where you’re coming from. Also Hiori had an unexpected play-style and understood Lorenzo’s weakness. I think Hiori understood Lorenzo more than Lorenzo understood Lorenzo.
Honestly, i think Reo have more potaintial as MF "IF done right" but again bro is too busy meat riding
exactly what i have been saying
Agreed him and tokimitsu can be an interchangeable mf and df like niko and lorenzo but one lacks confidence the other is a dick rider
Oh of course you mean mid fielder. Not mf. 😭
I think Charles vision should be called or some form of roulette meta vision, both his eyes and his play style suit this name. Finding the most dangerous passes yet having a higher possibility of failing, Charles contrarian nature suit a roulette very well.
Charles meta vision is the normal meta vision pattern Snuffy and everyone else has and is shown in chapter 254. This “roulette” is using a passing eye to find the best passing timing / pass course similar to predator eye being used to find the best shooting timing / shot course.
@@silversauceran that's a neat theory and i might do a video on it
as this fits wit Sae as well kinda like Kaiser's PE, Sae and Charles have this new Eye
Damn i need to do it quick and give u a shot out as well
Best blue lock video ive ever watched. You are clearly very passionate about the series and are very well informed on it as well. Your analysis is well thought out and very smart
Isagi finally has a play that the anime can use "Helter Skelter" for. Love that song lol
The Goated Beatles for the Goat Isagi 🔥
Really good breakdown and I’m pretty much with you. A couple things I’ve thought about the last couple months though is first Charles passing ability reminds me of a kind of MF version of Predator Eye. He analyses the field and picks out the most dangerous course kind of meme.
The second thing I’ve been thinking about is in regards to physical stats. We continuously see people like Isagi and Hiori with lower values on speed but they keep blitzing faster players time and time again. I imagine it all comes down to reaction speed vs raw speed which comes from their reflexive movement.
Personally, I think Isagi has closed the gap physically to most other BL players during the NEL to a point where it’s negligible but I get that most people would find that hard to believe just because they had a decent advantage and it’s not like a Rin or Barou (just for example) are lazy in the slightest. So I would have to argue unlocking Meta vision gave Isagi some kind of power boost like the 8 inner gates or something (which makes no sense) or he has thoroughly out worked other payers that have been training just as much as him. I would say thought that Isagi is super close to a Kaiser type in speed, lower body stg and core stg but he doesn’t work at all on arms and shit so his character model doesn’t do him favors.
One funny meme about that though is right before the Ubers match Isagi is warming up and does a little jump where it looks like he has about a 45 inch vert. I’m sure the author was just being excessive there though since he only shows a feat close to that when he blocks Chris Prince’s shot. If he could actually get up like that normally I’m sure Hiori would try to get him to do more mid air battles, lol.
Someone said this as well and i already decided to a video on it and so i will give u both a shot out
@ACE_Locki think it makes sense he catched up a bit on speed with other egoists who already had a far more intense training regimen(ex barou, rin), their physical prowess was already at 100% while isagi was probably only around 85% of his capabilities.
In other words everyone else was prime/closer to it.
Does anyone notice how hiori and isagi aura are similar look at 4:08 were isagi has his puzzle peaces coming off his body and hiori has the broken glass coming off its like there body is made of puzzle/glass and it shatters to symbolize there awakenings/level ups
there is a panel at the end of Ch 237 where Hiori and Isagi's aura's mixed when they had the same idea
i think Jigsaw pieces and Shards do the same thing and that it fall into their place and build a bigger picture, the only difference Isagi is more constructive than Hiori due to Jigsaws being easier to build than welding shards
W video as always man, I just have one thing to say. In the middle of chapter 254, when hiroi try to stop Charles for the fist time and fail, we see Charles with the normal MV pattern. Since we've never seen isagi having the normal MV pattern, I'm assuming Charles's eyes are something else. Imo, I Think it's some kind of predator eye, but for passing, allowing the user to see the mosg effective pass course. But we'll probably have an answer soon anyway
You should do a video where u give a lot of players a in depth stat card. I haven’t seen many people try that, and you seem to be good at evaluating players👍
great idea i will consider it
absolutely love the blue lock content please keep it up
I think it like hiori
100%, but i believe Charles and Hiori are reaching sae much like Isagi Rin and Barou reached Kaiser
“Guys this match up in very close”
Title: “ Why Hiori vs Charles isn’t close”
THIS THE PERFECT VIDEO FOR MY BUS RIDE
Enjoy bro
If you guys have read Boruto and know about kawaki and isshiki dojutsu then you will understand my theory
I think Charles has sukunahikona which is his second eye as the design is very similar and even the small circle in the middle for kawaki it’s to shrink and grow objects for Charles is to shrink his passes to the very extreme being near impossible shown against kaiser and ness thanks to his contrarian ways and at the same time increase the chances for a super goal depending on who is receiving the pass
Damn bro i love the theory, and the writer is known to borrow from Naruto
0:01 Dog Said This video is 20 Minutes Long let me put some Fairy Tail Music In It 😂😂😂😂
Hell yeah!
Bro kaiser is always nerfed only in few moments the author thinks"Ahh yes there is a broken guy somewhere"and then he does a thing or two and gets sidelined again bro he never has his MV activated I guess he is just a plot device for plotsagi
ikr and it's sad
I'm a Hiori fan so I hope he gets the one up on Charles by the end of this match
i believe snuffy’s ocular abilities are only better because of his superior physicality from isagi. hope we’ll be given more improvements on isagis vision as well as his other stats so he can keep up with himself and not be reliant so much on other’s strengths..(maybe a 1v1 move like a vanishing drive??)
The glaze on charles is insane btw
Not really he just was slightly better
Which software do you use to edit your videos, they look absolutely amazing 🤩
After Effects and record with Audacity
To be honest , I thought you were going to try to do hiori vs reo
i was but then Charles came to the picture
i'll do Reo once i find a fitting opponent
Do aiku vs reo
And shidou vs barou@@ACE_Lock
@@Fanmade_royal_rumblewhy aiku vs reo🤔
@@gsmoke9630 since. Aiku got meta vision and in the bastard vs manshine match reo got meta vision to also reo needs a good opponent
Can you do Reo vs Karasu both are solid midfielders
I wil bro just not yet
i am hoping to see Karasu's Assassin's eyes firs
Nice vid bro
Bruh I fr feel like Charles beats Hiori so bad that it really “isn’t close”.
his weakness brings the fight to close, if he gets rid of it he wins 100%
he is closer to Sae without it
At this point we should be comparing Charles with sae itoshi
totally he even beats him in certain aspects, i think Charles and Hiori are reaching sae much like Isagi Rin and Barou reached Kaiser
Hiyori is closer to reo than to Charles 💀.
i think funny enough Reo is closer to isagi, one copies and one adapts
in my opinion i think hiori takes it bc as you mentioned better dribling imo better psysicality and better atacking. And all there other stats are almost similar exept metavision wich charles has a litlle better so in my opinion hiori clears and better passing
Why didn’t you mention Karasu when discussing Hiori’s dribble? He used the exact same technique and moves we saw Karasu use in 3rd selection. Pre-BL in the light novel it’s said Hiori studied Karasu intensely bc he was interested in him.
i didn't feel it was relevent and besides Hiori improved it way passed what Karasu can do
@@ACE_Lock yea he definitely has, MV is such an elite skill. That’s just me nitpicking. Otherwise perfect video; par the course for Ace Lock.
I just think the use of hands to use the opposite defender’s center of gravity against them and propel himself is pretty technical/tactical and useful going up against Charles who has less physicality and less experience. I think that helps Hiori edge a bit with his above average physique a bit (Olympian genetics + youth academy + 6’0ft tall + black in a manga (jk lol)).
The one stop Charles had was very good he did achieve on his own, but it was still a ‘blindside from behind’ type thing when Hiori was focused on offense; same way Rin stopped Kaiser, and Hiori stopped Rin. I don’t think in these three scenarios (add Niko x Raichi) it would result in a stop, or at least not the same type of stop yk?
I can’t wait to see Charles serious
ikr he will be a menese
Can you do a formation where you can use all of the u20 players? (You can ban Loki if you want considering he's world class level)
Like the best NEL formation + Sae?
i was thinking the best player at each position and then building a team with those 11
@@ACE_Lock I just would like to see the best u20 formation possible, considering there are a lot of options. You seem really good at making formations so I think you can make a pretty strong one
we making it out of blue lock with this one
hey bro do you think Isagi is overated , I had a debate with one of my friends and they telling me that isagi is a better striker than barou.(ok maybe im exaggerating a bit but i feel people are ignoring how good his teammates are expescially when his whole thing is using teammates) you cant ignore his collarbar of teammate when he uses them to score . its like ignoring that shidou had sae on his side when he scored in U 20
He 100% i think he is amazing but i sometimes hate how fast he improves it diminishes the feel of his new weapons, take protagonist feeling for example, it's an insane weapon but gets foreshadowed by MV because they basically happened at the same time
I don’t agree defensively Hiori has way better feats. Albeit Charles deserves credit for his interceptions, hiori has numerous blocks including the one on rins shot which would’ve been a goal. Hiori is a better defender imo
Next please shidou vs nagi please
Unfortunatly Nagi is down bad lately so the vid won't happen any time soon
id say 1v1 yes charles is better but hiori is better at capitalizing opportunities with teammates so i would rather have hiori on my team than charles
I 100% agree.
This is just false...
Its not capitalizing opportunities with teammates but capitalizing opportunities with Isagi specifically (as of current point of time)
The problem with Hiori is if he actually has a teammate that can read his plays otherwise his passes aren't going to connect.
As of right now basically no one can keep up with Isagi's ideas except Hiori and vice versa. Rin/Kaiser in their attempt to stop Isagi, they had given up on trying to read the game and instead do what Barou does by tracking Isagi's movements pouncing on the opportunities he creates.
Not saying Charles is flawless as his issue is his personality. He's not going to make easy passes and so needs a teammate like Shidou who is as much of a risk taker as he is.
Both midfielders have weaknesses of needing players of the same mindset otherwise both are basically playing handicapped.
The fact Charles is a better individual player makes him a better choice on a random team than Hiori.
You'd only pick Hiori over Charles if you know that your team already includes Isagi or someone near his level of in-game foresight
@@colonelcider8292 i agree with this, they both have flaws, but hiori can operate leagues better than charles without having their proper teammates.
@@Very_Hauntly what are you talking about? How can you even say that?
When has Hiori performed to this level without Isagi on the pitch?
Bro couldn't even get on the pitch without Isagi. If Isagi never said anything in the Ubers game Jin would have been subbed on when Noa came off.
Due to Noa's philosophy, Kiyora Jin is a better player than Hiori without proper teammates.
So if Jin is rated more highly than Hiori then how is Charles, a stater for PXG and their best original player, worse than Hiori without proper teammates?
Not only that, prior to the Bastard Munchen game, the PXG system never played Shidou and Rin at the same time.
This indicates that Charles had been playing without Shidou, and performing (since none of the Blue Lock players had a significant price increase in the game Rin scored a hattrick).
This shows that Charles can perform without Shidou whereas Hiori has only performed with Isagi.
Therefore how the hell did you come to the conclusion that Hiori performs better without Isagi than Charles without Shidou?
And if we were to assume that all Charles/Hiori had were absolute garbage teammates then this should be a complete point for Charles because he's a better individual player than Hiori.
@@colonelcider8292 yes charles does work fine with rin too, but just because we haven't directly seen hiori work with anyone else than isagi, doesnt mean he cant do it. based on their attitudes and playstyles, its safe to assume that hiori is more versatile with different types of players, mainly strikers. we see that he says that he is open to working with more than JUST isagi, whereas with charles, he didnt have a choice, being that rin was the only striker at those times. your argument here is basically "well we havent seen it so he cant".
Pls do Kurona vs Yukimiya
With Kurona getting in i think it's the right timing yeah
i have like 2 vids planned and then I'll look into it
Thanks for responding to my comment
They are thesame replica how is it not even close
@@AnandAnand-mc8we I feel you haven't really seen the video
Hell yeah, but charles for the win
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O Charles é tão roubado que o roteiro teve que inventar que ele um arruaceiro
he an Imp
Like #400
I could beat both of these guys if I was in blue lock
Who is bro😭🙏
bros not even getting the blue lock invitation😭
Bro is cooking salad
Probably not
lmao bro
Title: isn't close
then proceeds to give an explaination how close they are
the title is for the YT allgorithm and doesn't spoile the result
@@ACE_Lock yeah but its also kind of misleading, and caught my attention tho, but good vid
The title is misleading lol
the title is for the YT allgorithm and doesn't spoile the result
Hiori has way more feats
Which is? What charles has done since the beginning of the match blows away everything hiori has done but if you asked me who would I rather have on my team it’d be hiori
@@gsmoke9630 has Hiori ever cost the team a victory by having repetition?
@@gsmoke9630lmaooo what??? Hiori just shat on him 😂
Bro Hiori has more feats than Loki. Does that mean Hiori is better?