The Irish Irish love everyone and everyone loves them, when my grandparents immigrated from Dublin and Belfast, everyone hated the Irish. They used to hang signs and post ads in papers saying... "Irish need not apply" "No N*****s No Dogs No Irish" During the 1860s Irish immigrants comprised 60% of all arrests in New York City America is a land of immigrants and we love to hate and bully the newest immigrants, and then they become one of us.. Were a pretty nuts country if you haven't noticed already 😂😂
Im from Hells Kitchen but by best friend whose irish lived on bambridge st in the Bronx. One of the last families left there. Alot moved to Woodside, Queens.
@@johnlooney2319 Both parents were 1st gen Irish- they grew up in Woodside and Elmhurst. Lived in Woodside until I was 2- baptized at St. Sebastians- Dad made supervisor at the phone company and we moved out to Little Neck.
@@capoislamort100My friend, Nixon is what we called ( whiteheads ). People that don’t cry at funerals. And also the wives & mothers will leave their kids and run off with truck driver . Where in a ethnic type the mother never leaves the children. No matter what . Latino , Italian, Black , etc… The Mother is the stable backbone of the family . The wasp ( white Anglo Saxon Protestant ) are a strange cold group of people . Not my opinion but historical truth . Not hugging type . Oh well enough of the truth. Later
I am German descent and my wife is of Italian extraction. In Boston, my sister lived in the Italian section called the North End on Hanover Street where she had an apartment. When she walked home from work at night guys would follow her to make sure she got home safely. I never had to worry about her. If someone went into the North End looking for trouble they would get more then they bargained for. I am sure it is different now and not for the better!
I'm the same combination Sicilian/German. I've heard every obvious, stereotypical joke in the world pertaining to it. Ironically, whether it was the teller's intention or not, most could be taken somewhat complimentary, frankly. I don't remember any of insinuation of weakness, &or being fearful of anything, lol. You make a valid point about the safety of the (most Mobbed up in particular) neighborhood's for women and children. It just wasn't going to be acceptable, period. I'm still in the dark about how that's somehow flawed thinking......
So true, In the Bronx Little Italy from the 60's through the 80's everyone was able to leave their apartments open and everyone looked out for each other. Keep in mind that this is a little enclave within the south Bronx and it was once listed as the safest area in the USA.
East Boston which was jst as if not more Italian then the north end all my family has moved because it has become almost 100% Spanish complete shit hold....north end hasn't changed as much but it's getting there...sad
My grandfather was a full blood Italian and my grandma full blooded Irish. They lived across the street from each other on Penn Street behind the Hill. She eventually got respect she was Irish but she learned to cook like an Italian.
Did they experience challenges when they first became a couple? Like did your grandfather have Irish guys wanting to beat him up for talking to one of "their" girls?
As an Irishman I can say Italians are great Americans and vice versa. Earlier generations of immigrants were witnessing different cultures for the first time and were hostile and felt threatened by and to each other but as a the melting pot worked it's magic we saw the advantages each brought to OUR country.
If a bunch of Irish started moving into a majority Italian neighborhood and started taking jobs from the locals that were already there they'd do the exact same thing; it's just human nature.
Sad back in the day. I'm Irish lived in a mixed community in Bklyn we got along .I love the italian culture. That was fifties. Eveyond looked out for eah other. Organised crime was around us but we just went about our business. Know problems. My parents they had some issue but I had s opened ming and was a very curious child. I married Irish but my family is actually multicultural its awesome. 71 oraying for the judge he has Cancer. God Look over him. I love his show .There is one social club left in my community its sad because it is community.
Very similar situation in the North End of Boston back in the day. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY dared get out of line when that area was "protected" by a certain family. It's still a safe area, but not as safe as it was back then.
@brianamccarthy98 "italian food" including their precious pizza is made with ingredients not native to Italy. You can't have pizza without tomato sauce and tomatoes are from Mexico soooo that alone makes Mexican food better. In Mexican food our ingredients are native to Mexico; maize, avocados, guacamole salsa, tomato salsa, tomatillo salsa, chilis, squash, beans etc. Oh and we also gave the world chocolate and vanilla, viva Mexico 🇲🇽
But have always been one of the weakest militaries to this day ....... I believe the AMERICANS liberated them from the Krauts , nobody's leaving the U. S. for a better life in Italy
My dad was Italian and my mom was Italian/Irish I identify more with my Italian heritage and look Italian with my curly dark brown hair and brown eyes Proud of my heritage We still are not totally accepted by our wasp neighbors
I am first generation Italian in America. My wife is first generation Irish in America . My mother in Law Hated Me she asked me if I was in the Mafia so I asked her lc she was in IRA it went downhill from there. Before she died she said me I love you
The Italians built Providence RI. Are you kidding?? The Italians over one hundred years ago, found others with the same dialect, at their local catholic church. Extremely dedicated to the family, safe neighborhood, hard working people. 💪❤
I'm 100% Irish American (from da Bronx) and married a full 100% wop. My parents weren't happy when they heard I was dating an eye-talian, saying they'd prefer me to "marry a White girl". Funny thing is, my eye-talian brothers in law are all short and pudgy with greased back hair (what's left of it), but I truly love my in-laws and my parents came around to love them as well. My in-laws refuse to let a "mick" into the kitchen, which is fine by me. And oh my God, never in my life have I seen such quantities of food as when my wife and her family cook for holidays.
I grew up in the Italian section of Pelham Bay and if you didn't belong there and started trouble, you got your Ass kicked LOL , The movie , Bronx Tale was 100 percent accurate . Moving over the Whitestone Bridge to Whitestone Queens was the best move My parents ever made. It was so much nicer and you had Italians, Germans and Irish unlike Today with All the Chinese .
The irish nd Italians in America had a beef that didn't exist back in Europe. They were both catholic nd treated like shit nd America has a way of pitting groups against eachother that should logically be allies. It still happens now.
In reality, the Irish were more likely to inflict violence on other groups than to have violence inflicted on them. And most of the pushback against Italians came from the Irish themselves, who did not actually care about sharing a "religion" (Irish-American Catholicism was vastly different than the Catholicism of Italian immigrants). The important point here is that the Irish and Italians learned to get along with each other and, through marriage, made peace and progress. Both groups did very, very well in America, and are among the most successful in terms of wealth/income in the Northeast.
@themaskedman221 Irish possess deeply rooted demons that are exacerbated by alcohol and drugs. There are studies that have shown trauma affects DNA especially generational trauma. Irish history is tragic n brutal yet in it's face they're quite positive, jovial, funny ppl... until they're not. That propensity for violence is in the DNA.
It's called divide and conquer. If you've got two groups of oppressed people and you can convince them both that the other group is responsible for all their problems they won't bother the people who are really oppressing them😅
My Dad /Grandfather came from Ireland... No Irish need apply... Italians did not see those signs,...Grew up from Italians ... all from the old country... Got along great with them...
That’s an overstated part of history popularized by How The Irish Became White written by a Russian radical Marxist and other disputed historical propaganda. Fact is most Irish and Italians were accepted and only persecuted if they engaged in criminality and anti-social behavior.
I always felt safe on the hill. Only time I was nervous was when as a courrier I made a delivery to a restaurant and Mr. Patricia was dining. . One of his guard took the delivery and said you didn't see anything or anyone.
My dad came from a French Canadian family from Olneyville, but he spent a lot of time on the hill on Atwells. My grandmother met Patriarca back in the 1940's, she was petrified of him.
My moms family came from Southern Italy and lived in Frankford in Philly. Irish and italian neighborhood. Two Catholic Churches within a few blocks of each other. One for Irish and one for Italians, mainly because italian priests spoke the language.
Note the respect they showed for other people and women, particularly the elderly. Every nationality had criminal gangs, but 95% of the people had no involvement with them. respect is long gone all over the world.
You know what’s crazy that Nixon said that . South Italians and Greeks literally have the same dna , the fact our own president felt that way about Italians is despicable . Can only imagine what he said about Greeks . Una faccia una razza 🇬🇷🇮🇹🇺🇸
I've learned to take Nixon's ethnic blurting with a grain of salt. The dude lived in a White House built on Palladian architecture. He also made derogatory remarks about the Irish, yet went to Ireland to visit his "ancestral home," and was a big admirer of Kennedy later in life. I think that this sort of rhetoric was often inconsistent with actions -which is bizarre, but apparently typical in the 70s (or so I've heard).
Mr. Patriarca helped a lot of poorer people especially in South Boston and Dorchester. Mr. Patriarca owned “Coinomatic” vending machines outta Federal Hill RI. Great man!
We never had this problem in Boston. I am half Irish American and half Sicilian American. We grew up in the same parishes [Italian and Irish] went to the same Roman Catholic Churches, and the same schools whether public or parochial schools. I don't know what it's like now, after every great old working neighborhood in Boston has been gentrified. Nothing but rich yuppies there now. No working people can afford to rent or buy anything there, working Irish, Italian, Polish, Lithuanian, etc. all displaced by gentrification. When the rich people want something, they just buy it right out from under you. I just know that I can't afford to live there anymore. Money talks and bullshit walks here in the good old USA.
My great grandmother came here as a child from Italy … nobody had anything. Over the years she owned at one point 5 houses in the same neighborhood, worked and hustled every job.. infact she’d loan money to people for a little tax. When she died she left everyone a fat check. Amazing. My old man wouldn’t eat at her house because she was always cooking chicken kidneys, tripe etc
Grew up in South Philly most of my friends were Irish and Italian we never had problems ! I can cook Italian food better than most Italians , some of the greatest dishes ever ! Even collected debts for Blinky Palermo !
@@giovannidibravato5576 Um, the Irish and Italians had "mixed marriages" in areas where a lot of Italians and Irish settled. The Irish settled all over the country (Italians predominately in the Northeast), so no it is not the most common of mixed marriages in the US overall. In the Midwest, where there was a lot of German settlements, German-Irish marriages will be more common than Irish-Italian.
Love this. I grew up in Mount Pleasant, in the house my mother grew up in. She was Irish and French, born in 1906 and she told me that when she was growing up, girls would be disowned if they married an Italian. Also appreciated the gentleman's remarks about how hard people had it then. My Irish grandmother, an orphan, started work at 12 in a Taftville, CT mill and she lost two fingers while working here. I belong to a RI history Facebook group and child labor came up. I couldn't believe how many people had grandparents or even parents who started work at 12 or 13. The labor exploitation and discrimination by the Yankees was unbelievable.
This is crazy to hear living in Providence Rhode Island my whole life being irish on my Moms side and Italian on my dads side. I came up late enough to avoid most of this nationality based violence.
I was born in providence Rhode Island went to schools there even Mt pleasant use to go rocky point on weekends I lived on vanburan st providence rod the bus moved away lived in GA 33 years
In America you have this image of the guineas. The Hollywood caricature of Italians. At the very best, they looked like SOME sicilians and calabrians. In reality, most of the actors were middle easterners. Sephardic jews, lebaneses, sirians and so on.
Right of passage as an American if you ask me, is a form of hazing that keeps the country strong. Look at how well the Irish and Italians have assimilated.
AS AND Irish-American I Can Say This When I Was Born in 1954 in Brooklyn and Queens, NYC-Irish and Italian-- American Loved Each Other and I-- Love Italy and Italian---Americans--THE Irish Come From St. Patrick who is Italian?
You did not mess around in Federal Hill back in the day…I went back a few weeks ago to drive through I wanted to throw up at the filth living there now…
Many Places you didn't want to mess around back in those Days. John Gotti' section of Howard Beach Queens NY , You didn't even see a Gum Wrapper or cigarette butt in the streets. You could leave the door open in your home at night and nothing would happen . Even the Cops stayed away and were never called !
11:53 “the neighborhood was protected and safe, etc….” Now present day look at our neighborhoods, crime and drug ridden, thanks to the Feds enforcing the rico act. A lot of people yearn, and wish “The boys” were still around.
What about the Irish and Italian Catholic clergy? Didn't they try and smooth things over? The Dioceses must have met many times over the years to deal with any on-going issues. The "wealthy" Irish lady who sat on her porch and spat at the Italian woman would have received a harsh tongue lashing from the Irish clergy I know.
My father was Irish and my mother Italian. The derogatory insults back in the 20th century and beyond were often expressed out of jealousy. Italian women became the preference amongst American men and Italian men were more attractive to American women. In the 1960's, children were being born mixed with Italian/Irish, Italian/Puerto Rican, Italian/Dominican, Italian Cuban, Italian/German, Italian English, and much more. When Sofia Loren became a sex symbol, that translated into much of the success of more Italians in cinema.
Honestly growing up Italian American, unlike other groups, there was a strong sense of pride, even a superiority to the WASPS lol. We had it all, deep deep roots in culture, history. The coolest cars came from Italy. The food is still the best in the world imo, far superior to northern Europe. We basically have the intellect and organizational skills of the northerners but with a sense of art/fashion/style that makes the world envy.. bottom line is, Italian Americans are impossible to upset with racism because if my racial stereotype is John Gotti well that's pretty fuckin cool to me lol
You weren’t superior to the people who built this country. You have no sense of style. A greasy human rat in a shiny suit does not a civilized man make. But keep telling yourself that your people weren’t a corrupt, shitty little clannish group that led directly to the founding of the FBI to counteract your anti-social behavior.
The US pitted one community against another with the huge influx in the mid 18s and early 19s. It was a stuggle to eat everyday. No social welfare to rely on. People prob automatically defensive. I’m Irish and we have always loved our catholic brothers the Italians.
This is the same as people who lived in east London in the sixties talking about how the streets were safer when the Kray twins were about. They kept the streets much safer than the police ever have
Haha! The Irish are famous for not being clannish when it comes to intermarriage. Im Irish, my wife is Spanish and we have three adopted Russian children. I even live in Spain. I've been all over Italy and never had a problem. The Irish gansters worked with anyone and we never had all those rules the Italians had and that made upward mobility much easier.
There were never any rich Irish in Providence. The Irish were treated badly by the English who originally founded Providence. Stuff rolls downhill. When the Italians and Portugese showed up, the Irish now had people they could treat as inferiors. But they had no idea that the Italians were far more sophisticated and business oriented then they were. So as the Italians improved their lot, the Irish got bitter. Irish had to become part of the system i.e. politicians, cops, FBI agents, and military men, to try to go middle class. A few became lawyers. But the lady who spit on the Italian lady in her childhood? If she was rich she was of English descent. If she was Irish and rich, she must have been a Kennedy from Boston.
I exactly know this area, didn’t know the history of it. Scalios Bakery is delicious. I’ve always said that the Italians were the Mexicans of our past generation. Immigration comes in waves. It seems like the Indians were in 90’s as well as the Brazilians in the 90’s. Mine was in the 80’s.
About time i hear from some real Italians!!! I live in johnston and i am sick to my stomach watching what the hill is becoming. And johnston to for that matter.
How stupid was all this fighting. Both sides were Catholic as these were the New Irish from what is now the Republic. Good on the Italian guy for beating the thug with the brake. The fact is the three main immigrant groups were all fighting each other. Lucky Luciano and Myer Lansky worked with everyone. Only the stupid ones kept fighting and wiped each other out.
Not really , let's face it economicly , militarily they've always been at the bottom , with Poland as far as might . Other then Roman times they were always needed other countries for protection . Don't forget , 1930s they got pummeled in a war they started with ETHIOPIA
@@chiprock8704 I speak Abruzzese e Italiano, been living in Rhode Island for 10 years. I’ve yet to meet anyone who can speak Italian. Only a bunch of Americanized jersey shore want to be’s. ):
16:03 Take a guess where Buddy was in that gap between his 2 terms as Mayor of Providence. (Hint: Same place he was sent back to, cutting his second run short in 2002. Oh, and he would've been elected again after he served his second sentence but all the Italians had made it and moved out to the suburbs so his electorate was too small. )
Being of Irish descent. I apologize for my ignorant Irish brethren. You think we would have gotten along as we are both mainly Catholic, hard working and we love our families. Just silly.
My Irish family grew up in Providence. It was a 2-way street between the Irish and the Italians, both the love in some and the hatred in others.
@@ronobrien7187 me to
As an Irishman living in Ireland we have a small Italian community here and we love them
The Irish Irish love everyone and everyone loves them, when my grandparents immigrated from Dublin and Belfast, everyone hated the Irish.
They used to hang signs and post ads in papers saying...
"Irish need not apply"
"No N*****s
No Dogs
No Irish"
During the 1860s Irish immigrants comprised 60% of all arrests in New York City
America is a land of immigrants and we love to hate and bully the newest immigrants, and then they become one of us..
Were a pretty nuts country if you haven't noticed already 😂😂
Aye,but unfortunately you hate everybody else!
@@callummccormick8211 just the English 👍
@@Yourballix That's fair enough! 👍
Ironically I went to high school in providence and I’m from suburbs of Boston. I call it guidoville. Also to many Dominicans… they’re alright ppl
Grew up in an Irish neighborhood in the Bronx....we fought italians and albanians...we all got along as we got older
@@raymondrocco8607well yeah because we're all just "white" to the jews and blacks these days with their communist b s
Im from Hells Kitchen but by best friend whose irish lived on bambridge st in the Bronx. One of the last families left there. Alot moved to Woodside, Queens.
Me and my family are from the Bronx
@@johnlooney2319 Both parents were 1st gen Irish- they grew up in Woodside and Elmhurst. Lived in Woodside until I was 2- baptized at St. Sebastians- Dad made supervisor at the phone company and we moved out to Little Neck.
Anytime old people say "I don't know if I should say this" you know it's gonna be good. Love em ❤
Haha so true!
Grew up in an Italian American family. Learned many valuable life lessons that benefited me through my 65 years.
Is it true what president Nixon said about Italians?
@@capoislamort100My friend, Nixon is what we called ( whiteheads ). People that don’t cry at funerals. And also the wives & mothers will leave their kids and run off with truck driver . Where in a ethnic type the mother never leaves the children. No matter what . Latino , Italian, Black , etc… The Mother is the stable backbone of the family . The wasp ( white Anglo Saxon Protestant ) are a strange cold group of people . Not my opinion but historical truth . Not hugging type . Oh well enough of the truth. Later
I am German descent and my wife is of Italian extraction. In Boston, my sister lived in the Italian section called the North End on Hanover Street where she had an apartment. When she walked home from work at night guys would follow her to make sure she got home safely. I never had to worry about her. If someone went into the North End looking for trouble they would get more then they bargained for. I am sure it is different now and not for the better!
I'm the same combination Sicilian/German. I've heard every obvious, stereotypical joke in the world pertaining to it. Ironically, whether it was the teller's intention or not, most could be taken somewhat complimentary, frankly. I don't remember any of insinuation of weakness, &or being fearful of anything, lol. You make a valid point about the safety of the (most Mobbed up in particular) neighborhood's for women and children. It just wasn't going to be acceptable, period.
I'm still in the dark about how that's somehow flawed thinking......
So true, In the Bronx Little Italy from the 60's through the 80's everyone was able to leave their apartments open and everyone looked out for each other. Keep in mind that this is a little enclave within the south Bronx and it was once listed as the safest area in the USA.
East Boston which was jst as if not more Italian then the north end all my family has moved because it has become almost 100% Spanish complete shit hold....north end hasn't changed as much but it's getting there...sad
@@gio1985s💯 ruined.. but the north end is still nice.. as nice, no. Nice still , yes
@@discernment8963it's impossible to make any racial jokes against Germans or Italians that bother us. We have everything to be proud of.
My grandfather was a full blood Italian and my grandma full blooded Irish. They lived across the street from each other on Penn Street behind the Hill. She eventually got respect she was Irish but she learned to cook like an Italian.
Did they experience challenges when they first became a couple? Like did your grandfather have Irish guys wanting to beat him up for talking to one of "their" girls?
Piss off cook like a Italian go fuk yourself
at least she's out the "race" i guess
@restoredaccess probably the dad did. The irish are a tough lot that goes back to the treatment and prosecution they faced.
In Rhode Island the Irish and Italians got along pretty well. ALOT of "mixed marriages"
As an Irishman I can say Italians are great Americans and vice versa. Earlier generations of immigrants were witnessing different cultures for the first time and were hostile and felt threatened by and to each other but as a the melting pot worked it's magic we saw the advantages each brought to OUR country.
No they’re not. And you need to go home, too, Mick. You all need to go home.
If a bunch of Irish started moving into a majority Italian neighborhood and started taking jobs from the locals that were already there they'd do the exact same thing; it's just human nature.
That doesn’t make it right though.
What's your point? It's called life sometimes it's hard@@oladeebiazazi4538
Facts.
@@oladeebiazazi4538doesn’t make it wrong either. People have a right to live how they like.
Sad back in the day. I'm Irish lived in a mixed community in Bklyn we got along .I love the italian culture. That was fifties. Eveyond looked out for eah other. Organised crime was around us but we just went about our business. Know problems. My parents they had some issue but I had s opened ming and was a very curious child. I married Irish but my family is actually multicultural its awesome. 71 oraying for the judge he has Cancer. God Look over him. I love his show .There is one social club left in my community its sad because it is community.
Very similar situation in the North End of Boston back in the day. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY dared get out of line when that area was "protected" by a certain family. It's still a safe area, but not as safe as it was back then.
Wasn't safe for any of the businesses that got extorted or for any citizens that got in their way.
@@del2665neighborhood business, were fine..
Neighborhood civilians were not messed with...
8:25 I love what judge Caprio says “I did not affect the quality of life as far as safety, if anything it IMPROVED the quality of life”
If it wasn't for the Italians, the Irish would have never learned they had taste buds. I'm 2nd-gen Irish,BTW.
don't be disrespectful of your culture. I'm not Irish either
You are not Irish you are American. Simple as that
Tomato 🍅 🍅 🍅 🍅 🍅
Not gourmet food
So true. we used to have spaghetti with tomato soup mixed in.
I love Italian people,,,,Iam very proud.
@@jackj5368 thank s bro
Love Italians and hispanics, great cultures, amazing food and fellow catholics 😊
@brianamccarthy98 "italian food" including their precious pizza is made with ingredients not native to Italy. You can't have pizza without tomato sauce and tomatoes are from Mexico soooo that alone makes Mexican food better. In Mexican food our ingredients are native to Mexico; maize, avocados, guacamole salsa, tomato salsa, tomatillo salsa, chilis, squash, beans etc. Oh and we also gave the world chocolate and vanilla, viva Mexico 🇲🇽
From Antiquity, through the Renaissance, through Modern Times,
We INVENTED the World.
🇮🇹🐐🇺🇲💯
But have always been one of the weakest militaries to this day ....... I believe the AMERICANS liberated them from the Krauts , nobody's leaving the U. S. for a better life in Italy
The Western World. But, yes!
“We”
Relax buddy...yall invented the mafia😂😂
Yes you did. Thank you.
My dad was Italian and my mom was Italian/Irish
I identify more with my Italian heritage and look Italian with my curly dark brown hair and brown eyes
Proud of my heritage
We still are not totally accepted by our wasp neighbors
I am first generation Italian in America. My wife is first generation Irish in America . My mother in Law Hated Me she asked me if I was in the Mafia so I asked her lc she was in IRA it went downhill from there. Before she died she said me I love you
I had an Irish grandmother, and an Italian mother. Love both sides.
The Italians built Providence RI.
Are you kidding?? The Italians over one hundred years ago, found others with the same dialect, at their local catholic church. Extremely dedicated to the family, safe neighborhood, hard working people. 💪❤
Not just Providence but pretty much most of the North Shore in Mass.
I'm 100% Irish American (from da Bronx) and married a full 100% wop. My parents weren't happy when they heard I was dating an eye-talian, saying they'd prefer me to "marry a White girl". Funny thing is, my eye-talian brothers in law are all short and pudgy with greased back hair (what's left of it), but I truly love my in-laws and my parents came around to love them as well. My in-laws refuse to let a "mick" into the kitchen, which is fine by me. And oh my God, never in my life have I seen such quantities of food as when my wife and her family cook for holidays.
I grew up in the Italian section of Pelham Bay and if you didn't belong there and started trouble, you got your Ass kicked LOL , The movie , Bronx Tale was 100 percent accurate . Moving over the Whitestone Bridge to Whitestone Queens was the best move My parents ever made. It was so much nicer and you had Italians, Germans and Irish unlike Today with All the Chinese .
You must be very old.
You paddy mick potato stuffer. 😂 yes you may call me whatever you like.
@@themaskedman221 nope. Early 40s.
@@bkeen7013 Yet you use slang that's been out of date by more than 50 years.You're full of sh*t.
If Raymond and Buddy were still alive, Providence would be a safer place to visit.
So true
Yup...my mother grew up across the street from Raymond. Everyone says they wish "they" were still in power in federal hill it would be safer.
@anthonyp2544 yeah I hear that all the time. They watched out for the neighborhood
No doubt about it.
Maybe
The irish nd Italians in America had a beef that didn't exist back in Europe. They were both catholic nd treated like shit nd America has a way of pitting groups against eachother that should logically be allies. It still happens now.
...... and yet they don't leave
In reality, the Irish were more likely to inflict violence on other groups than to have violence inflicted on them. And most of the pushback against Italians came from the Irish themselves, who did not actually care about sharing a "religion" (Irish-American Catholicism was vastly different than the Catholicism of Italian immigrants). The important point here is that the Irish and Italians learned to get along with each other and, through marriage, made peace and progress. Both groups did very, very well in America, and are among the most successful in terms of wealth/income in the Northeast.
@themaskedman221 Irish possess deeply rooted demons that are exacerbated by alcohol and drugs. There are studies that have shown trauma affects DNA especially generational trauma. Irish history is tragic n brutal yet in it's face they're quite positive, jovial, funny ppl... until they're not. That propensity for violence is in the DNA.
It's called divide and conquer. If you've got two groups of oppressed people and you can convince them both that the other group is responsible for all their problems they won't bother the people who are really oppressing them😅
In Europe they were too far apart, they had no contact but if they did I'm sure they would have had conflict.
My Dad /Grandfather came from Ireland... No Irish need apply... Italians did not see those signs,...Grew up from Italians ... all from the old country... Got along great with them...
The Italian signs read "Blacks 10 cents an hour and Italian 5 cents and hour"
The Irish did see those "signs" either. This is a myth.
The Irish need to ask the question…. Why were we they treated differently all around the world?….no disrespect to the Irish but it was for a reason.
Cos we take no shit bro
That’s an overstated part of history popularized by How The Irish Became White written by a Russian radical Marxist and other disputed historical propaganda. Fact is most Irish and Italians were accepted and only persecuted if they engaged in criminality and anti-social behavior.
I always felt safe on the hill. Only time I was nervous was when as a courrier I made a delivery to a restaurant and Mr. Patricia was dining. . One of his guard took the delivery and said you didn't see anything or anyone.
Keep the documentaries coming they are great!
Ethnic peoples were manipulated against each other. Italian and Irish should have had affinities
I'm irish from Brooklyn. The irish and Italians have USUALLY gotten along, even the ballbusting was done in jest
My dad came from a French Canadian family from Olneyville, but he spent a lot of time on the hill on Atwells. My grandmother met Patriarca back in the 1940's, she was petrified of him.
the filthy french😂
My Dad too , from Burrville , I was born in Woonsocket , luckily moved to Fla. when was a kid
...I grew up in Olneyville, you are correct & blessed... ...Artist, Old Naples Florida🌴🎨
......You weren't lucky brother Peter, You were & still are blessed... ...Artist, Old Naples Florida @@peterherard8207 🌴🎨
My moms family came from Southern Italy and lived in Frankford in Philly. Irish and italian neighborhood. Two Catholic Churches within a few blocks of each other. One for Irish and one for Italians, mainly because italian priests spoke the language.
Note the respect they showed for other people and women, particularly the elderly. Every nationality had criminal gangs, but 95% of the people had no involvement with them. respect is long gone all over the world.
You know what’s crazy that Nixon said that . South Italians and Greeks literally have the same dna , the fact our own president felt that way about Italians is despicable . Can only imagine what he said about Greeks . Una faccia una razza 🇬🇷🇮🇹🇺🇸
I've learned to take Nixon's ethnic blurting with a grain of salt. The dude lived in a White House built on Palladian architecture. He also made derogatory remarks about the Irish, yet went to Ireland to visit his "ancestral home," and was a big admirer of Kennedy later in life. I think that this sort of rhetoric was often inconsistent with actions -which is bizarre, but apparently typical in the 70s (or so I've heard).
southern italians do have some greek dna from when they had colonies there .
Don't look into how Teddy Roosevelt felt about Italians.
Southern Italians and Greeks are very close genetically. Naples was founded by Greeks 3000 years or so ago. Neopolis.
That’s the judge from all the shorts, being nice to the people
Mr. Patriarca helped a lot of poorer people especially in South Boston and Dorchester. Mr. Patriarca owned “Coinomatic” vending machines outta Federal Hill RI. Great man!
He was a scumbag
We never had this problem in Boston. I am half Irish American and half Sicilian American. We grew up in the same parishes [Italian and Irish] went to the same Roman Catholic Churches, and the same schools whether public or parochial schools.
I don't know what it's like now, after every great old working neighborhood in Boston has been gentrified. Nothing but rich yuppies there now. No working people can afford to rent or buy anything there, working Irish, Italian, Polish, Lithuanian, etc. all displaced by gentrification. When the rich people want something, they just buy it right out from under you.
I just know that I can't afford to live there anymore. Money talks and bullshit walks here in the good old USA.
Caprio family the beast!! ClassicsRI.!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤
My step dad was an Italian American. He was the greatest man ive ever known. Humble, Modest, Honest, and NOBODY worked harder.
My great grandmother came here as a child from Italy … nobody had anything. Over the years she owned at one point 5 houses in the same neighborhood, worked and hustled every job.. infact she’d loan money to people for a little tax. When she died she left everyone a fat check. Amazing. My old man wouldn’t eat at her house because she was always cooking chicken kidneys, tripe etc
Grew up in South Philly most of my friends were Irish and Italian we never had problems ! I can cook Italian food better than most Italians , some of the greatest dishes ever ! Even collected debts for Blinky Palermo !
Watch your God damned mouth...oh ok nevermind.
1:45 lol I shouldn’t say this …1 sec… “starts talking. I love it
Isnt it crazy how the irish and italians fought each other in america but yet in Europe there best of friends ,,,
Plus of all of the mixed nationalities with Italian, Irish-Italian had the most mixed marriages
@@giovannidibravato5576 Um, the Irish and Italians had "mixed marriages" in areas where a lot of Italians and Irish settled. The Irish settled all over the country (Italians predominately in the Northeast), so no it is not the most common of mixed marriages in the US overall. In the Midwest, where there was a lot of German settlements, German-Irish marriages will be more common than Irish-Italian.
Unfortunately that's not true
I don’t know what you’re talking about but I smoked but I I’m sure you don’t know what your talking about
Love this. I grew up in Mount Pleasant, in the house my mother grew up in. She was Irish and French, born in 1906 and she told me that when she was growing up, girls would be disowned if they married an Italian. Also appreciated the gentleman's remarks about how hard people had it then. My Irish grandmother, an orphan, started work at 12 in a Taftville, CT mill and she lost two fingers while working here. I belong to a RI history Facebook group and child labor came up. I couldn't believe how many people had grandparents or even parents who started work at 12 or 13. The labor exploitation and discrimination by the Yankees was unbelievable.
true.
I was never treated differently because I was Irish, but I was incredibly handsome, and I got some grief for that.
As a matter of fact I still do!
It wasn’t your handsomeness. It was your modesty!!🙄
😲😲🙄🙄😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is crazy to hear living in Providence Rhode Island my whole life being irish on my Moms side and Italian on my dads side. I came up late enough to avoid most of this nationality based violence.
❤ his Honor Judge Caprio.
I was born in providence Rhode Island went to schools there even Mt pleasant use to go rocky point on weekends I lived on vanburan st providence rod the bus moved away lived in GA 33 years
It’s very interesting to learn about the discrimination of European groups
In America you have this image of the guineas.
The Hollywood caricature of Italians.
At the very best, they looked like SOME sicilians and calabrians.
In reality, most of the actors were middle easterners. Sephardic jews, lebaneses, sirians and so on.
Wow a young judge caprio. He has that judge show now.
No, he retired
Yeah he was a joke then and he's still a paid for piece of shit now!
Once Ross prio passed away It was open season on Tokyo Joe... 😯
Great video Thank you
Right of passage as an American if you ask me, is a form of hazing that keeps the country strong. Look at how well the Irish and Italians have assimilated.
That shit isn't going to happen with the jungle races so forget about it.
AS AND Irish-American I Can Say This When I Was Born in 1954 in Brooklyn and Queens, NYC-Irish and Italian-- American Loved Each Other and I-- Love Italy and Italian---Americans--THE Irish Come From St. Patrick who is Italian?
Raymond was the top boss in U.S.
He was the final word about any beefs among large LCN families throughout the country.
I wonder what year (s) this was filmed. ??
Luv my Italian brothers and sisters, together better!
You did not mess around in Federal Hill back in the day…I went back a few weeks ago to drive through I wanted to throw up at the filth living there now…
Many Places you didn't want to mess around back in those Days. John Gotti' section of Howard Beach Queens NY , You didn't even see a Gum Wrapper or cigarette butt in the streets. You could leave the door open in your home at night and nothing would happen . Even the Cops stayed away and were never called !
Worse filth living there back then
@@del2665BS 😆 🤣
@@raymondrocco8607gotta love our people. We definately have a thing for keeping up property values!!
@@ugaais fed hill sucks now..
I’m Irish I like the Italians good Catholics.
11:53 “the neighborhood was protected and safe, etc….” Now present day look at our neighborhoods, crime and drug ridden, thanks to the Feds enforcing the rico act. A lot of people yearn, and wish “The boys” were still around.
Watching this as an Irish American in Fed Hill. I live below Broadway as well 😂
I'm Irish and Italian ❤
What about the Irish and Italian Catholic clergy? Didn't they try and smooth things over? The Dioceses must have met many times over the years to deal with any on-going issues. The "wealthy" Irish lady who sat on her porch and spat at the Italian woman would have received a harsh tongue lashing from the Irish clergy I know.
Love listening to Italian politicians, judges and pastors speak lovingly about a murderer… never change Italians 😂
IF RAYMOND WAS ALIVE TODAY, THINGS WOULD BE ALOT DIFFERENT in prov. AND ELSEWHERE.
My father was Irish and my mother Italian. The derogatory insults back in the 20th century and beyond were often expressed out of jealousy. Italian women became the preference amongst American men and Italian men were more attractive to American women. In the 1960's, children were being born mixed with Italian/Irish, Italian/Puerto Rican, Italian/Dominican, Italian Cuban, Italian/German, Italian English, and much more. When Sofia Loren became a sex symbol, that translated into much of the success of more Italians in cinema.
Italians came back in style with The Godfather movies.Even the mob copied stuff in those movies
And now Federal Hill is a shell of its former self . The neighborhood towards Eagle Square is the drizzling shits .
Honestly growing up Italian American, unlike other groups, there was a strong sense of pride, even a superiority to the WASPS lol. We had it all, deep deep roots in culture, history. The coolest cars came from Italy. The food is still the best in the world imo, far superior to northern Europe. We basically have the intellect and organizational skills of the northerners but with a sense of art/fashion/style that makes the world envy.. bottom line is, Italian Americans are impossible to upset with racism because if my racial stereotype is John Gotti well that's pretty fuckin cool to me lol
Couldn't agree more😃👍😁👍✨💯✨🌛
You weren’t superior to the people who built this country. You have no sense of style. A greasy human rat in a shiny suit does not a civilized man make. But keep telling yourself that your people weren’t a corrupt, shitty little clannish group that led directly to the founding of the FBI to counteract your anti-social behavior.
Patriarca looks like a guy who never smiled once in his life.
And the Irish went thru it too….. in NYC… watch “Gangs of New York”
I remember the part where the Irish were lynching blacks in the streets during the drafts riot.
Yes, let's all learn history from Hollywood historical fiction. Your teachers must be so proud of you.
The US pitted one community against another with the huge influx in the mid 18s and early 19s. It was a stuggle to eat everyday. No social welfare to rely on. People prob automatically defensive. I’m Irish and we have always loved our catholic brothers the Italians.
This is the same as people who lived in east London in the sixties talking about how the streets were safer when the Kray twins were about. They kept the streets much safer than the police ever have
Anyone watched Brotherhood? Amazing show kinda like an Irish Soapranos
Haha! The Irish are famous for not being clannish when it comes to intermarriage. Im Irish, my wife is Spanish and we have three adopted Russian children. I even live in Spain.
I've been all over Italy and never had a problem.
The Irish gansters worked with anyone and we never had all those rules the Italians had and that made upward mobility much easier.
Being Half Irish And Half Italian , I punch my self in the face and I don't know why ?!?!
😅😊😅
Absolutely brutal!😂 I.
'm half irish and italian
6:12 warships?
Apparently there were Jewish mafia bosses too. I'd love to see a doc on that. 😊
It's called the DNC.
Look at Caprio. Wow. Been in front of him a few times. He’s a good man.
The Micks and the Wops is what we call them.😂😊
Your too fucking old to be posing without a 👕
You look like the sort of person who still uses these terms.
NIXON STILL DROPPING ONE LINERS AND I WASN'T EVEN BORN WHEN HE RESIGNED 😂
...Nixon was always on the take ...No different then Joe Biden...
Italian and Irish in cahoots since Rome 🎉don't believe the hype 🎉
Ayyyy my uncle John!
Take the last beer!!🎉🎉🎉??😂😂❤
There were never any rich Irish in Providence. The Irish were treated badly by the English who originally founded Providence. Stuff rolls downhill. When the Italians and Portugese showed up, the Irish now had people they could treat as inferiors. But they had no idea that the Italians were far more sophisticated and business oriented then they were. So as the Italians improved their lot, the Irish got bitter. Irish had to become part of the system i.e. politicians, cops, FBI agents, and military men, to try to go middle class. A few became lawyers. But the lady who spit on the Italian lady in her childhood? If she was rich she was of English descent. If she was Irish and rich, she must have been a Kennedy from Boston.
Good old days law and order!!🎉🎉❤
Who doesn't wanna be Italian, the best !
Honestly
Im an American Dominican Republic Irish twin
I exactly know this area, didn’t know the history of it. Scalios Bakery is delicious. I’ve always said that the Italians were the Mexicans of our past generation. Immigration comes in waves. It seems like the Indians were in 90’s as well as the Brazilians in the 90’s. Mine was in the 80’s.
Italians - There goes the neighborhood !
About time i hear from some real Italians!!! I live in johnston and i am sick to my stomach watching what the hill is becoming. And johnston to for that matter.
Having lived in both areas I can confidently say they’re both a poor representation of Italians. I’d go as far as to call both areas a disgrace.
You guys helped build RI
I was raised on federal hill. Tell street
Penn Street here
Cottage Street here...@@nicolehutto4906
Is that Martin Scorsese at 5:10 far right?
Italians.
They should do a movie on RP. I could play the role. Just have to lose the weight first
Father Bill rented an attic apartment from an Old 🇮🇹 Woman 👩 in East Providence. ❤️🇮🇹😎👍🏻🙏🏼
How stupid was all this fighting. Both sides were Catholic as these were the New Irish from what is now the Republic. Good on the Italian guy for beating the thug with the brake. The fact is the three main immigrant groups were all fighting each other. Lucky Luciano and Myer Lansky worked with everyone. Only the stupid ones kept fighting and wiped each other out.
NO ONE CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THE WORLD THAN THE ITALIANS.
EVERYONE WISHES THEY WERE ITALIAN.
MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄
all types of people contribute,your statement is very prejudicial. by the way, my parents were born in Italy.
Take a hike...You and your Roman Empire bulllsxxt...40% of your Roman Empire were slaves...
Contributed what? spaghetti, pizza and gangsterism………….
......Terrorism in Providence....for many years...@@capoislamort100
Not really , let's face it economicly , militarily they've always been at the bottom , with Poland as far as might . Other then Roman times they were always needed other countries for protection . Don't forget , 1930s they got pummeled in a war they started with ETHIOPIA
John J Lombardi definitley looks mixed race!
Caesar,Cicero,Constantine,etc
Federal hill is a joke now, sad to see all the Italians moving out of the neighborhood.
Oh, they left for Smithfield and the like,
looong ago.
@@chiprock8704 I speak Abruzzese e Italiano, been living in Rhode Island for 10 years. I’ve yet to meet anyone who can speak Italian. Only a bunch of Americanized jersey shore want to be’s. ):
16:03 Take a guess where Buddy was in that gap between his 2 terms as Mayor of Providence. (Hint: Same place he was sent back to, cutting his second run short in 2002. Oh, and he would've been elected again after he served his second sentence but all the Italians had made it and moved out to the suburbs so his electorate was too small. )
What year was this made?
Being of Irish descent. I apologize for my ignorant Irish brethren. You think we would have gotten along as we are both mainly Catholic, hard working and we love our families. Just silly.
As a proud Irish Man I apologize for absolutely fucking nothing