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Jomboy on When We Can Expect Robo Umps/Automated Strike Zone in MLB | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2022
- Jomboy and Rich Eisen discuss why there’s such a discrepancy between the public’s view of umpires’ performances vs MLB’s evaluations and how the problem can be fixed.
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It is 100% time for Auto-Strike Zone. These Umps are terrible.
no
Yes
no fooling the ump is part of the game
@@mrkennady are you suggesting that baseball can't evolve?
@@christaylor9095 no I’m suggesting that y’all be careful what you wish for.
It works in tennis. They've eliminated linespeople. There's still a chair umpire, but they don't make line calls or overrules anymore. Now you eliminate bad calls and all the associated drama. The only counterargument it seems these days is that umpires getting it wrong is "part of the game" and for some odd reason, being wrong is a good thing. We have the technology, let's use it. That's progress.
And those electronic eyes are singular axis only, and they still make miatakes.
Did you not listen to the video at all? Jimmy literally just said they DON'T have the technology quite yet.
@@bobloblaw1180 I did listen to the video. To my original point, the technology obviously does exist, because it exists in tennis, with amazing accuracy. There's no reason why baseball can't leverage existing technology.
@@Teladian2 Those "electronic eyes" are incredibly accurate, far more so than pairs of human eyes. There's no reason why existing technology can't be leveraged.
@@MoonlightGrahamCracker Prove it.
The grade was actually 69, Angel saw it incorrectly. That kind of explains why he calls balls strikes and strikes balls.
Nice.
Is that true? That explains a lot.
Well played Sir!!!!
Also he strikes strikes and he balls balls. That's how awful he is.
Professional Tennis began in the late 70's using a devise called the Cyclops. The Cyclops system consisted of a series of infrared laser light beams to accurately determine if the ball was inside the service area.
MLB 2022 Angel Hernández
& it's cut down most of the arguments that used to happen between players and the chair ump.
And before that it was the MacCAM...not the actual slow motion cameras introduced by FastCAM Replay LLC at the U.S. Open in 2004. But the lovable eagle eyed John McEnroe who yelled at officials while Borg tied his shoes.
two BIG differences between what tennis needs and what baseball needs.
1 - in tennis you only care about 1 dimension (the line) and only when the ball hits the ground. in baseball you care about 3 dimensions (height of the batter and the length and width of the plate) and you care if the ball touches any part of that box - the front corner, the back corner, the top edge, etc.
2 - in tennis the lines are always the same, the don't change. In baseball, each hitter is different, their height is different, and their stances are different. The computer needs to be able to adjust the size of the box to match the individual hitter and the stance he is using in real time.
The strike zone is subjective theres no zone for everyone because everyone is taller and wider and shorter
I saw the robot ump in the Atlantic league last season and really like it it seemed to speedup the game with no debate after every ball or strike
Angel Hernandez single handedly bring robo umps into the league 💪💪💪💪
don't forget bill miller
We have the technology. These umps have been relics for a long long time now.
Angel Hernandez by himself is justification for robo strike zones
just fire him. give him a season pass in the stands.
Jomboy and RichEisen? Dammit I'm in.
Hell of a combo
Please show the MLB commissioner the Hawkeye system used in cricket to show him just how badly out of date the MLB really is in allowing AH and others to get the call so badly wrong so often.
You like that, you’d like that, you like that, like that, you like that, in the game
LOL
They should try blind tests where the Ump is just relaying the machine's calls, but nobody knows it, they think it's still the Ump's call. Let's see how that goes.
That's whats already happening. They changed the strike zone and have hidden lasers setup and didn't tell anyone.
@@MoonlightGrahamCracker that last one sounds hilarious.
Please God, make them implement this asap. I'm so sick of missed calls and arguments. Please.
People are going to regret Robo-umps
there will be an absolute ton of walks
MLB graded this podcast 15/100
Umpiring behind the plate is much harder than it looks.
Which is exactly why its time for automated strike zones.
Anything; even R2D2, would be an improvement from umps like West and Hernandez.
What Angel Hernandez game is he refering to with the Joe West comment? Kinda sad I have to ask which one lol.
Anybody who says it is time for robo-umps has not seen the product at the minor league level. The technology is not there yet. 99.9% of umpire misses are very very close. Robots miss BADLY much more often than humans.
Truth. People assume we have the technology when in reality it's horrible. Humans are better than robots
Do you have statistics for this? I would like to read any study that says roboumps are worst that humans. I am not arguing with you, just wondering what makes you say that
@@rasaecnai according to Joe West, who I admit has reason to lie, but would also have this information more readily available to him, robo ump misses 7% of the time. UA-cam "robo ump", watch some of the videos, and tell me this thing is ready for implementation.
Too many umps have made themselves too much a part of the game.
FR lol, MLBs umpires have turned into a bunch of pre-Madonnas in recent years
Suddenly Jomboy is the insider interview...
Umpires have gotten worse. To the degree that they are ruining baseball, along with the MLB office.
Better a new ump had a perfect game, Pat hoberg.Never been done before him
yea last nights ump behind the plate between angels and nationals last night had some bad time strike 3 calls that were inside or outside
I think they’re trying it in the Minor’s. I live in Reno NV and I’ve heard they’re gonna try this at the Ace’s games.
Keep the ump calling balls and strikes but use the robo ump to shock them when they get it really wrong.
Cricket has had TV review for years where a ball that bounces going 90mph is tracked and it's flight path predicted so an umpire can check an LBW decision (think obstruction by the batter) when challenged. Can baseball not afford it?
It’s miles harder for cricket and it has been done successfully. Baseball is an embarrassment.
@@Xplora213 no it's easier
Before going to tech-based strike zones though thus removing the need for human umpires at the home plate, tell broadcasters to remove their strike zones from our TV screens first, because those rectangles are just as misleading as some of these umpires are. They have to judge the pitches going through a three dimensional plane from just one point of view. I'm sure they'd be very happy to have like an augmented reality device that shows them the X, Y, and Z axes of the home plate to help them but there's none of that yet. Give them a little break.
Yes! Nobody seemed to bitch before this “tech” started.
@@lordofthemound3890 they did, actually, and they were right.
What makes you think that that rectangle is decided upon from just “one point of view”? Just because it’s shown that way, doesn’t mean it was measured that way.
These people mostly never played baseball their just fans lol
This wasn't a problem before the networks added those stupid (and incorrect) rectangles to represent the strike zone. If those weren't implemented than I don't think we'd be having this conversation nonstop.
What if they were to develop a special kind of glasses that would show a player adjusted strike zone over the plate for the Umpire to use? And there would be an automatic picture taken of the placement of the ball the moment has passed through the strike zone?
An issue that's being missed is, Angel Hernandez isn't even the worst umpire in MLB.
Everyone likes progress, but no one likes change. Truer words have never been spoken!
Try it out in the minor leagues. The greater issue it would fix is the inconsistency between umps, and even between games with the same ump. If a batter knows the auto call is from here to here and there to there, he knows how to react. Same for pitchers. Just get the calls consistent.
Actually already started last year in some minors
@@ZIgnorantProdigy ok, and how is that working?
I suggested a TV box when I was 6. 1978.
What happens if the ball bounces and crosses the plate for a strike
Why can't anyone show us what strikes are. Maddux use to get strikes 6 inches off the plate
As a baseball purest, I don't like the thought of going to a robo strike zone. However, it seems umps have gotten so inconsistent and just plain bad, that it may be time to do so.
9:15 rich went into a kirk cousins trance
"Isn't it one zone for everyone?" I think Judge and Altuve would disagree Jomboy.
In the end, it’s about fairness, do we want a fair game or a game decided by errors?
What does mlb expect when they have 45+ year old umps trying to track a 95+ mph fastball
If Hernandez calls 300 pitches and is wrong 4 % of the time that would be 12 missed calls,which would be 96% correct.
Baseball has a corruption problem since . . . forever. Eliminating the human behind the plate umpire is a STEP in the right direction. Too much is being left to a single man's judgement.
Virtual reality glasses that are designed to overlay a strike zone in the lens to give an umpire a visual of the zone.
It's time for robo-umps. I hate the drama from both sides.
Now all you have to do is learn where your strike is swing at only the pitches in your zone hit 600 because you will never be able to called out by marginal pitches. so why not use pitching machines maybe get rid bases too fielders stadiums plat it virtually get rid of the game too
No one questions hawk eye in tennis or in soccer when it checks whether the ball crosses the line or not
2D versus 3D
Watch the Sheffield United v Aston Villa no goal
Go and look at some of the complaint compilations of batters raging an umpires and they're complaining of stuff that is at the knees. I thought knees were part of the strike zone. Don't get me wrong that doesn't stop Angel Hernandez calling stuff that's in the opposite batter's box strikes. But there are a lot of batters with their heads up their asses who don't know their own strike zone. People complaining about shots that are at chest height well yeah chest is strike zone.
The solution doesn’t need to perfect but by removing the human element it will become consistent in its imperfections, with bad calls being more random and easier for fans to accept.
Who defines the vertical parts of the strike zone? The zone is inherently subjective per batter, and even ignoring that the tech still has margins of error (I think it's about an inch or so).
What is it 98% or 96%?!
Look at all the Judge low strikes by his ankles. Time for the computer strike zone.
I never understood the need for a human ump behind the plate. Let's get it rite and use technology
The Reds have more technology. It’s like Star Trek. They’d beam Votto away too if they could
It's obvious their is a HUGE UMPIRE problem in MLB
You gotta remember it's In lower levels now once it comes to MLB they will invest way more money in it have better sensors and computers to process the data so I say it will be better
The sooner the better. Works great in tennis.
As a fan of the Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox I don’t want it!
No. Umpires are the worse officials in sports. They never de escalate situations, they escalate them. See the recent incident with Madison Baumgartner.
Aaron judge has a zone so fuckin low below the zone it’s wild
It's coz those calls normally are a strike, he just happens to be a foot taller than everyone lol
Get rid of umpires!
We won't have a human calling balls and strikes for any reason beyond tradition/theatrics in the next CBA.
I feel like if you expand the strike zone its going to result in even less hits.
They've deadened the ball so they obviously don't care about more hits and/or making the game more exciting.
To me, they seem like they are actively trying to lose every single fan they currently have.
It cant be any worse
Cant come soon enough! tired of these so called joke umpires!
God, Rich...join the 21st century. Enough with the past.
Consistency combined with a shorter wider strike zone would revolutionize the game.
Tennis can do it. Why can't baseball?
3 dimensions vs 2
It's bad! It's getting worse! The 2003 Marlins v Braves finale was the point when it became obvious. It's 20 years later and it has become far worse. It's time for the RoboUmp!!!
I bet his wife gets tired of him saying you like that 😅
This was from yesterday not 4hours ago
Rich calling him Jomboy instead of his actual name Jimmy is such a dad thing to do. Jomboy is the name of the channel/network.
Joe West retired is the only good news I heard here
We’re a long ways away from robot umpires. The ones they have now miss more calls than human umpires some some percentages if you check the data.
"Long ways away"
In umpire years maybe, but in human years nah its around the corner
The umpires did it to themselves.
Starting pitchers can barely go 5 innings now, hitting is de-emphasized over swinging for the fences every time but its balls and strikes calls missed a few times a game that is MLB's problem. LMAO!! LMAO LOLLOL🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😅😅😅😆😆😆😆🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Get better at vetting umps
If the umps strike zone is different from the players strike zone then they are fuckin up the game, period. Nobody gives a flying fig what the MLB scores/rates the umps if they are messing up the games.
Whatever the stupid rating is based off of needs to be to MATCH the info the players & coaches have.
MLB, to me, seems as though they are TRYING to lose every single fan they have, every single one.
Why not have the robo-ump measure spin rate as well, if it's above a certain threshold that's an automatic ball (i.e. every pitcher can use sticky stuff up to some pre-approved level).
No. Just no. Too much bullshit in the game now as it is.
I dont think Rich really Likes baseball the only time he talks about baseball he is CRITICIZING SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will be the true ruin of the game. Once you have auto umps you will see a game take 5 hours as any ball 1/8 inch off the plate is going to be called a ball and every game will be a 15-14 affair.
I can’t wrap my head around anyone who is against a computerized strike zone. If this sport didn’t exist and it was invented today and there was a committee putting together rules, if someone raised their hand and said “I think balls and strikes should be called by a person instead of a laser (or whatever) because it’ll be cool when they get a few calls wrong each game”, you’d be laughed out of the room and fired from the committee.
The computers don't call the 3D zone well, that's the issue. The margin of error is inches. The vertical strike zone is also inherently subjective just ask Altuve vs Judge.
@@ArdenJ they cant find a tech company to figure it out? Test it out in the minors and stuff and then implement it in spring training next year and just get it over with. It’s insane to me they still have umpires doing balls and strikes. I’m not a big baseball fan so I don’t know the ins and outs but baseball has a real attendance issue and just me personally watching, when you compare it to something like how ridiculously amazing last winters nfl playoffs were, the superstars in the nba like Curry that are fun to watch especially in the playoffs, the nhl (which I think is the most underrated of the sports, especially the fast paced playoffs) etc baseball just seems like you’re watching something in slow motion. And the video replays take forever, the pitching changes take forever. I don’t know how it can be fixed and I’m certainly not saying robot umps would fix the pace but they gotta do something
@@steelyd2 they tested it in partnership with the Atlantic League for a couple years, who've now dropped the system this season coz it didn't work well enough. MLB is now testing it in the minors (I believe in AAA right now) coz Manfred supposedly wants it in MLB for 2024 but it's seriously not accurate in the way fans think it'll be.
You have to understand that Manfred isn't trying to make the game better with this tech, he's just a puppet for the owners. Robo umps is an easy way to push fan hate towards human umps (who statistically are actually calling better than ever before) and deflect away from the bigger issues in MLB (owners, esp recent issues like the lawsuit recently settled coz they pay minor leaguers below poverty level wages).
This is baseball politics and unfortunately it sucks. The only hope I have is it's more of a Hawkeye challenge system like tennis (note: even Hawkeye gets things wrong, though its margin of error in tennis is usually 2-4mm instead of an inch+) than fully replacing calls.
I like Jomboy but he is not an expert....
Dude, this is a game, once it goes all robotic it will turn into the Running man.
That's right. After the robotics come in umps will go, managers will be next, then robots will replace the players.
Jomboy is kinda arrogant. "Tricked yourself into thinking it's good"
Because you don't see things the way others do, doesn't mean you are correct. Robots have been horrible in the Atlantic league.
I watched an Independent game w auto strike zone. Now I don’t care about the “Independent” team, but the game was terrible. Attending the game is social. A missed call you call out. “Missed it blue”.. Not with auto strike zone. Super boring. The game become really boring.
Robo umps means boring
Baseball is not broken. We do not need changes. We could easily keep up with stats of umpires and if they get too bad we move them out. But the game is perfect the way it is. We do not need a bunch of people with attention spans of squirrels making changes to one of the greatest sports in the world. We also need to get rid of the umpires who can't get it done.
you have obviously never heard of the umpire union
@@phishfearme2 No, I get they have a union. Just mean the best way IMO to handle it if I could just make things happen. I don't want a bunch of people who hate baseball the way it is, come try and change it.
@@dylankahler981 so baseball is broken - and we do need changes. it is not perfect the way it is. i thought you initially said the opposite.
Boooooo ruin baseball just a little more
Sterilizing the game by using too much technology is frankly disappointing. The game is imperfect. Why do we want a video game experience. Boring, sterile, zzzzzz.
Learn how to beat the umpires. Jesus. So many babies
Baseball is a dying sport. Just can't sit through a whole game anymore. I don't mind listening to a radio broadcast if I'm doing other stuff and available.
Do it the way it’s been done for 150 years. Seems to work overall.
Not really
Baseball has never been less popular. It isn't working.
Fooling the ump is part of the game. Don't get rid of it.
An ump incorrectly making a call is part of the game? No.
Stupid unritten rules intended to protect pitchers' egos are "part of the game". Paying an arm and a leg to buy a ticket is "part of the game". Having to subscribe to a fucking cable network for 100 bucks a month to watch my team play because of money grubbing blackout restrictions is "part of the game". Watching umpire act like a bunch of immature, controlling assholes and ejecting players is "part of the game".
Do you see where I'm going here? All this corrupt bullshit combined is killing the game. I'm sick of it. People who support keeping human umpires need to come up with a better argument than appealing to tradition.
Why is Rich doing the NPR whisper? Speak normal, dude.
Who the f is jomboy n why does he have a platform?
He’s a baseball media guy with an extremely successful UA-cam channel, and watching his content is a hundred times better than reading your commentary. 💯
Only the best baseball breakdown artist in the game.
Who the f are you? Lol