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i would say that some of the counties did not vote in favour of a free ireland (though that was becuase of the plantations of ulster and the forceing out of people who were in favour of a free ireland) however of corce the reson why ni exsists was because it had a majority support for an unfree ireland however now that some counties have majority support for a free ireland they are not given that vote. so yes most certinaly it is clear to be a dobbel standerd. all in all good video
@privy what part? As for as I'm aware Poland was a victim of invasion? The forceful conscription and brainwashing of Poland citizens isn't Poland taking part. (This last one only here to counter point in the event this happened. As an American my information regarding the events can be limiting when considering even our own propaganda claiming we were the saviors.)
Damn I always thought this song was about PTSD from British aggression and constantly reliving the horror, turning someone into a "zombie". So it's absolutely shocking to see that it is actually in support of the aggressor and implying the aggression wasn't even real!
Well, the song is about children killed during an ideologicaly driven attack until a youtuber comes and says "Yeah but those things happened to the killer a few centuries back so it's actually okay to do that and it's wrong to criticize them". I mean the guy begins with basically the "I'm not racist BUT..." with the "I'm not saying children being killed is okay...but let me tell you about the killer's historical background so you'll be siding with them at the end". The video is just projecting, because it's quite ironic to say "She's horrible for saying the IRA are zombies" when the whole video is here to make you hate her by constantly reminding "Hey she's aligning with those very very horrible things because she doesn't like children being killed so remember to dislike her as much as you can so you can see her as a zombie".
@@Paugose hi did you miss the part where the attack on a British target was forewarned and not intended to hit civilians, while the attacks on the Irish was literally for the purpose of killing civilians? I feel like you may have missed that part.
Oh yes, the UK colonization of Ireland is just in our heads. That's very good news actually. I had awful dreams about potato famines, internment camps, bloody sundays, Death Squads and Oliver Cromwell. Thank you Dolores for clearing all of this for me.
Inferior perception of self culture is actually what Frantz Fanon wrote extensively. He was a black Martinique native who experienced firsthand how Martinique people always praise French culture head over heels. As someone who can be absolutely seen as "not caucasian in any shape or form", I thought that domain was only for us "not caucasian" people. Seeing you bringing your A-game snark tearing down the song "Zombie" made me realize that it is VERY common amongst every imperialized people, skin colors aside. Solidarity from Southeast Asia, comrade!
That Vox interview containing quotes of O'Riordan castigating those who kill for political reasons whilst at the top of the page is a quote from her saying she wished the state could execute prisoners again is fucking wild. Anyway, great video, really enjoyed it!
As a latín American nothing boils my blood More than seeing Some of my people ignoring the atrocities commited against us by yanks solely for seeking aproval. And found out one of my favourite songs meant this Is just horrific
@@Rrgr5 And as an American with a love/hate relationship with my country, those who immigrate here from Central or Southern America often get discriminated here, I love America because it's my birthplace, but at the same time my country is fucked
13:45 as an American myself, your point about the music video really resonated. I never realized the significance of the lyrics. The music video and footage of military occupation ironically made me think it was an anti-occupation anthem or something, but never learned more until I saw this video. Better late than never i guess
This was fantastic man, coming out of the 33rd County in Coatbridge my dad taught me everything about our history and heritage. It was nice to see someone cover the multitude of rebellions that were held over that 800 years. I'm sending this onto him to have a watch in hospital.
Man, as a Canadian, I was fooled into thinking this song had the total opposite message. I had no idea about the context behind it, as I thought O'Riordan was talking directly to the British Imperialists about what they were doing, calling them zombies for blindly following a cause that left so much tragedy and misery in its wake. I had images rushing through my own head of Irish mothers being separated from their children, crowds of people paralyzed in the throes of unfettered violence, and British soldiers gunning down countless civilians while ignoring the internal and external voices telling them to stop. I had no idea that what I thought to be a rebel song was so anti-rebel, and after this video, that term seems to put it lightly. I have yet to leave Canada, but I now have this sudden urge to go to Ireland and visit historic sites to learn the full picture, and I am by no means a history buff.
The tears of one mother in England weigh a whole lot more than those of the countless thousands in Ireland. How someone couldn't be sick to there guts with themselves as they bring any of this song into being is astonishing. I truly hope that at least some of them feel at least some shame.
I'm Russian. When I listened to this song, I knew very little about the history of Ireland. But even then something inside me protested against "in your head" message. Thank you for clearing everything up. Power to the Irish and Ireland! 🇷🇺❤🇮🇪
@@armenianrussian "Power to Ukrainians. Not Ukraine as a country.": That puts you pretty square on with the English and the cranberries... You know, Power to the Irish, some Irish that is. And of course not in their own State, only as subjects to english Rule. You might wan't to overthink that stance, especially given the similarities between the respective Historys of the Colonizer/Colonized here.
Fighting for liberation while causing harm to your own people who don’t support you and killing civilians isn’t OK. It also doesn’t make their actions anymore respectable than that of the British
Lots of Filipinos are unfortunately like Dolores. Not just city folks but people in rural towns as well. The urban and rural middle class in the Philippines are still longing for the approval of imperialist and feudal overlords.
as a kurdish who lives in turkey, i'm not a foreigner to semi-colonialism. Ever since I started learning about the Irish national liberation movements, I've always been bothered by this song, but I wasn't exactly in a position to explain the situation to myself. power to the internationalist front!
Splitting up Kurdistan was another imperial party trick. I'm from the UK and study Britsh imperial history and fully aware the damage they have caused down the years.
Honestly, I took the opposite message from the song. I thought the "family" she was denying was the royal family. I interpreted the "in your head" was in reference to the propaganda war. Guess I just had no idea she could be dumb enough to side with the English.
so frustrating that people will generally not take anti-irish and anti-catholic rhetoric as a serious concern thats hurt millions of people and continues to plague communities to this day. my ancestors had to escape to scotland after the great famine, throughout the generations the language and culture was lost to assimilate and survive yet i still witness anti-catholic sentiments and violence within my community. amazing and very educational video, subscribed and can’t wait for more. 🤝
Quite ironic that in reality the zombie she was signing about was herself. She remained silent about centuries of colonial violence and oppression but rose up the moment she could be used as a tool for anti-liberation propaganda. A zombie for the ideas the occupying power put in her head through cultural indoctrination. Something tells me that this song would not have been as successful had the message been reversed. It probably wouldn't have even been produced, honestly.
As a Canadian of English, Scots, and Irish descent, a teenager in the 1970s, I was programmed to think that the Irish cause was, not only futile, but insane. I had my doubts about that, even as a kid. Thank you for clarifying this song for us, as I knew I was uncomfortable with the lyrics, but not why.
Similarly, Sunday Bloody Sunday also has always frustrated me with its attitude of inaction. “But I won’t heed the battle call”. …yeah Bono, because you have the wealth and privilege to not be living in the occupied 6 counties while others struggle
I was literally just thinking about this. I can't listen to that song since I realized what the lyrics are. It's like if someone made a song about how Palestinians were being a little overdramatic
Great video as always, and a very important video that everyone needs to see. The gaslighting and historical blindness of the Cranberries in making this song is really unbearable and serves only to justify further British colonialism and neo-colonialism. How they managed to twist reality and blame Irish liberationists (those resisting against the over 800 years of British colonial violence) for something that the Brittish colonizers caused is just disgusting British colonial apologia. I really hope more people watch this video and know the truth about Irish history. Long live the Irish national and social liberation struggle! Solidarity and red salute to you, comrade!
I remember thinking this when I was younger and i first heard the song. The way it's framed is as though two parties on equal footing and that if you just changed the way you perceived things you could affect change. But obviously this aint the case because we don't come out the womb in a neutral zone of equality. Great video my dude.
When you're fighting oppression, you're going to get pushback from those who are comfortable in their lives (those who don't feel oppressed), but no matter how much pushback you get, if it's worth fighting, it's worth fighting to win. You have to do what's necessary to win. People die in war. It's horrible, and tragic but that's the price of freedom. If a person to pontificate the moral cost of victory, then warfare isn't for them. You have to kill a few to save millions.
this video is so underrated, I can't believe how few views it has!! I first watched it like a year ago and I reference to people all the time, I still hope this pops off and you get the credit you deserve!
A similar theme could be established with ‘Revolution’ by The Beatles. It’s basically an endorsement of reformism by denouncing the New Left developments around Mao in the sixties. Just look at these lines: But when you talk about destruction, Don’t you know that you could count me out … You tell me it’s the institution, well you know, You better free your mind instead But if you go carrying around pictures of Chairman Mao, You ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow Obviously there are others, but you get the point. It makes one think: _why_ are pictures of Mao a no-go? _Why_ is freeing the mind more important? _What_ kind of destruction is a turn-off? (I think we know the answers, so this is mostly rhetorical.) Phil Ochs’ ‘Love Me, I’m a Liberal’, though…now that’s a good political song. I bet Dolores is a representation of such a person, but I don’t know much about her so I won’t speculate on that.
@@waltonsmith7210 Haha, it took my radicalization to realize what they were saying. I didn’t think much of it, but the more interested in Marxism I became, the more I understood the meaning of the song itself. Plus, I looked up Lennon’s politics once on Wikipedia; he came off as left-leaning, but seemed to vacillate a lot on reform versus revolution. I think he ultimately settled on reform, though.
Great video. This is not the first time I'd heard about this but this is by far the most detailed look I've seen. It hurts when a song you liked turns out to be so incredibly rotten under the surface.
I think you did a great job of showing how class supersedes all other criteria in terms of who you will align your interests with. Delores' stance is a fundamentally bourgeois one and it's really no surprise. Even though she was Irish, her interests aligned closer to empire due to her class position.
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 Well "evil" isn't really the point. I love the cranberries and she probably was well intentioned. It's about class interests. People in celebrity positions have a strong incentive to align themselves with bourgeois values because it benefits them materially. This isn't always the case, but it often is. I don't really know how to explain it better but people tend to act in their class interests whether they actively realise it or not.
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 that is just such a mind numbingly stupid reduction of what Michael said. Are you a plant trying to stir or actually that brain broken? Class struggle has nothing to do with good or evil; it has to do with the alignment of interests and concentration of power. Good and evil are emergent from that, yes, but it doesn't make all people involved in the complex system evil. Dolores was a victim of power just as much as a beneficiary, just like most. The only intrinsically evil people in terms of class are billionaires, since they have the power to change everything and make the conscious choice each day to make the world a worse place. Dolores had relatively no power, no matter how successful she was as an artist.
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 a capitalist will eventually bust unions if unions are bad for business. They will eventually stand on the side of third world comprador fascists because it's cheaper to export labor to the third world and superexploit them. Someone needs to police the Untermenschen for them. It's within their class interests to. That's where liberals go mask off and turn into a fascist.
Jokes on you, now I love more than ever that I see what a bunch of merciless barbarous thugs the IRA were and how blind some partisan commentators on here happen to be defending their shocking violence in the name of 'liberation'. My respect for the Cranberries and the sadly departed Dolores O'Riordan knows no bounds. Thanks for spreading the word, my dude! :)
Since the Belgian royal house is directly connected to the british one, we historically seem to completely ignore whatever bad the british get up to. And when you combine that with our own abhorrent genocide, we seem to have extra motivation to ignore that. Even now it is barely taught in history class and I had to learn most of it through youtube. Belgium loves portraying itself like heroic freedom fighters when opposed to the Netherlands and France, but stays real quiet when it comes to it's own (kinda still ongoing) genocidal politics and that of it's "big sister" England.
Really cool way to learn more about Irish history. Thanks for this video. Also, I was surprised to learn malinchism was a word in English. I am Mexican and 'Malinchismo" is a word we are all too familiar with since it was born from the name 'Malinche' (Spanish version of the name Malintzin in Nahuatl) who was the Interpreter/guide/mistress to the Conquistador Hernan Cortes during the invasion of Mesoamerica. I know in the US, their version of this would be 'turncoat' or 'Benedict Arnold'. Your videos are so good. Thanks again for dropping so much knowledge on us.
And it’s out the playlist just like that, crazy. I can’t believe how backwards her position is compared to what I had always assumed it was based on my misunderstanding of the lyrics. Glad I stumbled upon my own curiosity to check out the actual meaning of the song.
I originally always assumed it was a song supposed to portray and critizise the disconnection people in the western world have from actual wars being fought, only reading about it in the news etc., hence the "in your head" section. Even with those same lyrics, the song could have had such an important message, sad to see its been squandered at the time it even was written. Thanks for clearing this one up for me
Okay, this has to be one of the best political videos I've ever seen. Using a negative and eyecatching thumbnail and title about a popular and well liked piece of media to get people to check the video out, then using the piece of media as a way to talk about a serious issue that I'm sure many people don't know much about, being direct and informative about it, and then the emotional aspect helps to push people towards action. Good fuckin job with this one. I will have to check out more of your content.
Thank you for saying this! I have felt this way for years but couldn't fully articulate it. Would be like if someone made a hit song blaming both sides for Israel's occupation of Palestine...which actually I'm a little surprised hasn't happened yet.
I mean all ya gotta do is read Engels' The Condition of the Working Class in England to see just how horrid Irish proles were treated a century before.
The moment the very name of Ireland is mentioned, the English seem to bid adieu to common feeling, common prudence and common sense, and to act with the barbarity of tyrants and the fatuity of idiots. - Sydney Smith
one of my country hero was half cuban half irish, his grandfather from his father side was a cuban rebel who fought the colonial rule of Spain over Cuba, and his grandfather from her mother side was a IRA fighter who escaped prision in a spectacularly fashion. both legacy made him a proto Fidel Castro.
Wow...I wasn't aware that the British/Irish conflict was still recent history...or still going on. This certainly puts a dent in my enjoyment of the song, but thank you for the history lesson!
I'm curious if you have seen the movie The Banshees of Inisherin, and if so, have you ever thought about making an essay video about it, especially since you are Irish? (warning for spoilers) It's a shame that in the end it was all an allegory for the Irish Civil War with the main message being "they were fighting over nothing" because personally I don't think Irish people fighting to free Ireland from British occupation (and their collaborators) is a bad thing actually. But maybe that's just me.
I agree with your position. There are certainly echoes of a similar sentiment behind Zombie and behind The Banshees of Inisherin - that British colonialism is either harmless or non-existent (a position that comes from a sheltered, well-off upbringing that doesn't experience the negative impacts of imperialism first-hand, therefore assumes they don't exist). The film makes a virtue out of ignorance - it's somehow admirable that the main characters are clueless about the nature of Britain's colonial occupation of Ireland, anti-imperialist resistance, and the nuances between those who fought for a free and independent 32-county Ireland versus those who capitulated to imperialism by accepting British partition of the country and swearing oaths of allegiance to the British monarchy within the new Irish Free State. It's easier to just ignore these complex political situations and instead focus on shallow 1-to-1 interpersonal relationships. The result is that this political ignorance facilitates the continuation of imperialist colonial occupation and national oppression.
the farther we move away from it, the more i can see how 90's politics were so cringe. this is what happens when you falsely claim that history ended 🥴
And yet, old Francis F. had us at “hello”. The original essay in 1989 had absolutely everyone who wasn’t still a hardcore materialist M-L purist completely convinced and gushing lib-dem-capitalist juice all over themselves in excited self-congratulatory glee. Which included unfortunately and somewhat paradoxically even the vast majority of the PoMo “cultural leftists”, the “anti-authoritarian” ideologues, analysts of “power”, and doubly paradoxically, those whose analysis indicated the “deconstruction of the coherent individual”. The two to three decades of almost total silence from the true materialist left since Fukuyama gave the liberal democratic capitalists almost unfathomable opportunity to amass wealth in the hands of the 1% and position themselves for a long battle against working people. I have to admit I spent the end of the 80s the 90s and early 00s lost in the “post-history” cultural left reverie. Events between 2001 to the financial collapse of 2007-08 made it entirely clear the M-Ls had it right all along and the fact our one major geopolitical expression had succumbed while the other had simply planned its re-incorporation of capitalism better made it clear the socialists had a lot of hard work ahead and best be better prepared with a superior economic system this time around.
Wow, I realized the song had some questionable politics from the whole "same old theme since 1916" part, but I had assumed the "it's not me, it's not my family" was at least about the way people distance themselves from death and violence because it doesn't directly affect them personally. I mean I guess I was kinda right, but its not others abdication of responsibility on display here, rather her own.
"Cash in" you said just before the 20min mark comrade. That's how it seems to be. I've never knowingly listened to the song - its just never come up and I don't really remember it but I remember The Office (US) and Andy winding everyone up by singing the chorus and so they nick his phone and hilarity ensues. I always assumed that, given the time at which the song was released and where the struggle was at that point, this was meant to be along the lines of: "'mon lads, pack up the guns, enough is enough,', peace process "peacenik" propaganda which "didn't blame any side" if that makes sense? To see it as this kind of meek apology from a West Brit apologist for English tragedies, as terrible as any civilian tragedy can be, during this decades long part of the centuries-long campaign of resistance, is an insult to how people suffered in the 6 counties during that particular piece of historical context which preceded your analysis alone and it also manages to completely disregard and undermine the intense ideological debates that were going on within the Republican struggle throughout "The Troubles". From the actual pogroms to internment to collusion between the Brit state forces and the loyalist fascist thugs who murdered on the behalf of the Brits (with the majority of their victims being innocent), this is nothing short of an insult but really speaks to the lack of class consciousness of the masses when it came to "The Troubles". I always recommend reading James Connolly and Seamus Costello (IRSP/INLA) to those who want to get a grasp on what became known as "The Troubles". I had to pause at the 20 minute mark so I'm not sure if you got there yet but it is obvious that the songwriter is the real zombie. edit: ugh, just pressed play again and seen the lyric about 1916. FFS this is another Bono just a tiny bit less insufferable (still way off the charts in terms of what is actually "sufferable" mind). I need a fucken antacid. Great point about the distance though, a kind of psycho-social acceptance because it happened in the past. I suppose that the resistance fighters in Palestine and their supporters in the broader middle east are just "zombies" too eh? Final edit but brilliant vid that comrade. Tiocfaidh ár lá
I think more people should be aware of what this song is actually about especially since it’s gained a lot of popularity abroad as well and a lot of foreign artists are now covering it.
that is so interesting, because, as a polish kid, my mother taught me that zombie carries a pro-irish resistance message, as well as a pro-liberation message in general. it's almost funny how wrong she was, if it wasn't so horrifically tragic
Absolute BANGER! There truly nothing as ghoulish as stereotypical liberal both side-ism and as you pointed out, malinchism. Hopefully, we don't have to wait as long for the next video 😂
Well I guess I'm happy I came across this video. Thank you for educating people on this. I'm going to miss the sound of the song though. If anyone knows any songs in a similar style, I'd love to hear about them.
I was thinking about this song a few months ago, and thought it was shameful how it seemed to both-sides the Troubles, but oh boy, it really is so much worse when you really break it down like this.
I see you’re a media critic now, Paul. I wrote my college dissertation on the Troubles and my focus was on English colonization of Ireland. After that Zombie has always hit differently.
I also thought that it was just generalized pacifist hand wringing, but I also knew the situation had to be more complex as is always the case with generalized pacifist hand wringing. Thanks for clearing that up. I had no idea it was targeted so specifically at one side.
Wtf I didn't get the notification for this. Great video Paul. I remember when I was doing my a-levels (exams we have to do in England before going to uni for anyone not familiar) and me and a good friend whose also a comrade spoke about this song and how much we dislike it
As an American, a real one, not one of colonizers who paint themselves in our blood and claim our name as they do our land as their own... I have always hated this song as soon as I listened to the lyrics. Great video and subscribed.
Im glad Im not the only human being on earth whos's had this exact same thought. It seemed a little weird how much blame it put on the Irish side of things without mentioning the actual factors that drove the conflict. It wasnt all just mindless primal violence. Theres a glaring structural factor. Ive never heard anyone criticize this song. Thank you for making me feel less crazy.
Sometimes it's horrifying how much ignorant some people can be. As someone whose nation was (and still is) under constant oppression from the UK and US, and now is being exploited by collaborative ruling classes that not only exploit the lower classes but also aid the neo-colonial exploitation by China and Russia, I can deeply understand how it feels to hear things like this and it always infuriated me. During WW1 the British and Russian Armies unlawfully ignored our neutrality and invaded our nation. Didn't take long until they bought all of our food supplies from our markets and made an artificial famine that caused 10 million Iranian people and children to starve to death. This was an act of deliberate genocide that no one knows or cares about. And your video greatly helps in informing people that we must not forget nor forgive what atrocities these Imperialist powers committed to our nations. Hope more people get informed about these events and pull the wool off their eyes.
Wonderful video. But allow me to say something about the word Malinchism. This word comes from a name of an indigenous woman who was key in the defeat of the Aztec empire due to her knowledge of Nahua, Maya and Spanish. We invented that word attributing this colonial mindset a lot of people have in Mexico to that woman. However, lately this word has being criticized because it puts the blame on an indigenous woman who while already enslaved was given to the Spanish as a slave.
oh, that's unfortunate... it's amazing how language itself is written and in this case, fucking invented, by the powers that be and usually no-one else... my hope is that from now on, with social media, and dictionaries also being more critical of how and why they include or don't include new words in the dictionary every year, that basically LANGUAGE becomes more democratic and things such as "Malinchism" don't happen so easily in the future. Indeed, going down this rabbit hole for a minute, from your description, it doesn't even seem that Malinche would be herself considered a Malinchist by today's standards. There is a HUGE difference between an enslaved woman relenting to her captors' demands (there's at least room for this interpreation in Malinche's story), and a free, actually very successful and revered woman, choosing to write a song calling her neighbors zombies to highlight how SHE is one of the good ones...
Great. Another thing about my adolescence gets revealed to me as capitalist tripe. I can see why so many people in the global north stay in their bubbles and don't learn about the world around them. It's rarely fun to go outside.
Genuinely, I've been a fan of this song because of the music. I habitually don't go deeper into these arts than just perceiving them and enjoying them on the surface. But I now see that it's important to gauge the deeper message behind art; otherwise if you endorse it wholly, you also endorse the message. Lots of food for thought.
Even if that were somehow true, what you personally endorse changes nothing. This is the virtue signaling and wokeness people are talking about. I liked the video. I like the song. I like that this video explains the song and find both entertaining. Consumption of neither media is relevant to moral character or social efficacy or "praxis." Media consumption is not meaningful to society.
@@justcommenting4981 Only part of your reply I don't agree with is the last 2 sentences; too ambiguous, and I'm unsure of how relevance is defined in this context. Otherwise, yes, we're all farts in the wind.
@gnome from pinkerton so you hear Chinese propaganda or Russian propaganda and get whiplash listening to U.S. propaganda? Propaganda works by drowning out everything else, you don't deliberately consume propaganda to shape your thinking. Consuming media does literally nothing and there is no media you can show someone to make them a good person.
Very informative, thank you! I knew next to nothing on the subject except that there had been violent conflict between Ireland and the UK at some point, and due to the vagueness of the lyrics it just seemed like a condemnation of violence and the politics that lead to it. Pretty depressing and annoying to find out what it was actually about.
Jesus, as a Russian Ukrainian I have experienced Malinchism on several levels - firstly as a Ukrainian who spoke with people (predominantly elder ones) who viewed the Ukrainian culture to be vastly inferior to the Russian culture. Secondly, as a Russian who spoke with (predominantly younger) people who saw Russian culture as vastly inferior to the "Western" cultures.
Hey loved your first video and went to your channel to see more but there wasn't any videos so thought I'd stay as a one off, so when I saw you upload a new video I got so hyped
Zombie isn't even The Cranberries best single. She should have stuck with being sad and Irish instead of attempting to talk politics and doing this centrist political nonsense.
Huh. I thought the lyrics were condemning the UK, and pro-violent uprising while definitely not "anti-war" as in passively accepting imperialism; there is no such thing as peacefully being anti-war while empires exist, since you'll inevitably have to violently resist to stop their war machine. I misunderstood such things as the 1916 reference being that the UK keeps murdering Irish (among others) and need to be stopped (violently) rather than just paying lip service to the people who gave their lives in the past, not that the people who died were to be condemned for resisting. That is the nice thing about the death of the artist; it doesn't matter what Dolores thought.
Wow. Great job as usual. What do you think of Gravel institutes "How Britain staved Ireland." Video? I didnt learn till today about the scorched earth destruction of land.
What do you think of Paul McCartneys "Give Ireland Back to the Irish?" Id say its a much better song with a nicely unambiguous message. John Lennons "Bloody Sunday" is pretty good too. It pulls no punches whatsoever. Although Yoko Onos screeching is a bit unnecessary.
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i would say that some of the counties did not vote in favour of a free ireland (though that was becuase of the plantations of ulster and the forceing out of people who were in favour of a free ireland) however of corce the reson why ni exsists was because it had a majority support for an unfree ireland however now that some counties have majority support for a free ireland they are not given that vote. so yes most certinaly it is clear to be a dobbel standerd.
all in all good video
@privy what part? As for as I'm aware Poland was a victim of invasion? The forceful conscription and brainwashing of Poland citizens isn't Poland taking part. (This last one only here to counter point in the event this happened. As an American my information regarding the events can be limiting when considering even our own propaganda claiming we were the saviors.)
Damn I always thought this song was about PTSD from British aggression and constantly reliving the horror, turning someone into a "zombie". So it's absolutely shocking to see that it is actually in support of the aggressor and implying the aggression wasn't even real!
same! this sucks but I'm glad Paul is out here educating.
Me too, mostly because of the damn clip.
Same here, for almost 30 years! Just goes to show how important context is when analyzing a song.
Well, the song is about children killed during an ideologicaly driven attack until a youtuber comes and says "Yeah but those things happened to the killer a few centuries back so it's actually okay to do that and it's wrong to criticize them". I mean the guy begins with basically the "I'm not racist BUT..." with the "I'm not saying children being killed is okay...but let me tell you about the killer's historical background so you'll be siding with them at the end".
The video is just projecting, because it's quite ironic to say "She's horrible for saying the IRA are zombies" when the whole video is here to make you hate her by constantly reminding "Hey she's aligning with those very very horrible things because she doesn't like children being killed so remember to dislike her as much as you can so you can see her as a zombie".
@@Paugose hi did you miss the part where the attack on a British target was forewarned and not intended to hit civilians, while the attacks on the Irish was literally for the purpose of killing civilians? I feel like you may have missed that part.
Oh yes, the UK colonization of Ireland is just in our heads. That's very good news actually. I had awful dreams about potato famines, internment camps, bloody sundays, Death Squads and Oliver Cromwell. Thank you Dolores for clearing all of this for me.
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Inferior perception of self culture is actually what Frantz Fanon wrote extensively. He was a black Martinique native who experienced firsthand how Martinique people always praise French culture head over heels. As someone who can be absolutely seen as "not caucasian in any shape or form", I thought that domain was only for us "not caucasian" people. Seeing you bringing your A-game snark tearing down the song "Zombie" made me realize that it is VERY common amongst every imperialized people, skin colors aside. Solidarity from Southeast Asia, comrade!
That Vox interview containing quotes of O'Riordan castigating those who kill for political reasons whilst at the top of the page is a quote from her saying she wished the state could execute prisoners again is fucking wild. Anyway, great video, really enjoyed it!
As a latín American nothing boils my blood More than seeing Some of my people ignoring the atrocities commited against us by yanks solely for seeking aproval.
And found out one of my favourite songs meant this Is just horrific
Gusanos gona gusano
@@rakkatytam"gusano" is just great, plus, it sounds like "cuzão" (large a$$-h0le) in Brazilian Portuguese
The bloody brits are still here too! En nuestras Islas Malvinas. FUERA PIRATAAAS 🇦🇷🤝🇮🇪
Gusanos thinking that being immigrants they will become something better, ended up becoming just another dog barking at us.
@@Rrgr5 And as an American with a love/hate relationship with my country, those who immigrate here from Central or Southern America often get discriminated here, I love America because it's my birthplace, but at the same time my country is fucked
13:45 as an American myself, your point about the music video really resonated. I never realized the significance of the lyrics. The music video and footage of military occupation ironically made me think it was an anti-occupation anthem or something, but never learned more until I saw this video. Better late than never i guess
Same. I think I assumed an Irish person singing about the Troubles was automatically anti-colonialist.
@@t_ylr i think you hit the nail on the head.
This was fantastic man, coming out of the 33rd County in Coatbridge my dad taught me everything about our history and heritage. It was nice to see someone cover the multitude of rebellions that were held over that 800 years. I'm sending this onto him to have a watch in hospital.
Man, as a Canadian, I was fooled into thinking this song had the total opposite message. I had no idea about the context behind it, as I thought O'Riordan was talking directly to the British Imperialists about what they were doing, calling them zombies for blindly following a cause that left so much tragedy and misery in its wake. I had images rushing through my own head of Irish mothers being separated from their children, crowds of people paralyzed in the throes of unfettered violence, and British soldiers gunning down countless civilians while ignoring the internal and external voices telling them to stop. I had no idea that what I thought to be a rebel song was so anti-rebel, and after this video, that term seems to put it lightly.
I have yet to leave Canada, but I now have this sudden urge to go to Ireland and visit historic sites to learn the full picture, and I am by no means a history buff.
the message of this song is so sickening.
The tears of one mother in England weigh a whole lot more than those of the countless thousands in Ireland. How someone couldn't be sick to there guts with themselves as they bring any of this song into being is astonishing. I truly hope that at least some of them feel at least some shame.
Thanks a lot for this video. I've been waiting 20 years to someone to say this loud enough that I could hear it from Andalucía.
Freedom for Ireland!
I'm Russian. When I listened to this song, I knew very little about the history of Ireland. But even then something inside me protested against "in your head" message. Thank you for clearing everything up.
Power to the Irish and Ireland! 🇷🇺❤🇮🇪
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 And I'm sorry for that. But it is not my fault.
@@jackbarrjohnston9138 thanks
Power to Ukraine.
@@Eeda01 Power to Ukrainians. Not Ukraine as a country.
@@armenianrussian "Power to Ukrainians. Not Ukraine as a country.": That puts you pretty square on with the English and the cranberries... You know, Power to the Irish, some Irish that is. And of course not in their own State, only as subjects to english Rule.
You might wan't to overthink that stance, especially given the similarities between the respective Historys of the Colonizer/Colonized here.
critical support for the based zombies fighting for Irish liberation 🇮🇪💪🏼
Fighting for liberation while causing harm to your own people who don’t support you and killing civilians isn’t OK. It also doesn’t make their actions anymore respectable than that of the British
@@Cancel-i5h no, it doesnt make them "as bad" as he British. And no one ever won their freedom without dealing with traitors.
@@Cancel-i5h we are comparing a colonial empire to a rebel force, wow
Lots of Filipinos are unfortunately like Dolores. Not just city folks but people in rural towns as well. The urban and rural middle class in the Philippines are still longing for the approval of imperialist and feudal overlords.
Sinabi mo pa nakakasuka. Biggest example is the Philippines subreddit. Dun mo makikita yung mga lintang yan.
@@JohnKasarinlan Grabe naman kayo makatrashtalk...
Sagarin nyo pa po. xD
as a kurdish who lives in turkey, i'm not a foreigner to semi-colonialism. Ever since I started learning about the Irish national liberation movements, I've always been bothered by this song, but I wasn't exactly in a position to explain the situation to myself. power to the internationalist front!
Splitting up Kurdistan was another imperial party trick. I'm from the UK and study Britsh imperial history and fully aware the damage they have caused down the years.
I'm ashamed and embarrassed that I spent so many years loving this song and being so clueless about it
We've all been there, don't worry
@@LeftonReplay ahem! Not "all of us" Paul.
@@fleontrotsky I've already acknowledged that I was wrong and stupid about it - i wasn't insinuating any kind of judgment on any other person
@@LeftonReplay JESUS,,,YOU ARE VERY DEEP....ITS A NICE CATCHY TUNE,
Honestly, I took the opposite message from the song.
I thought the "family" she was denying was the royal family. I interpreted the "in your head" was in reference to the propaganda war.
Guess I just had no idea she could be dumb enough to side with the English.
so frustrating that people will generally not take anti-irish and anti-catholic rhetoric as a serious concern thats hurt millions of people and continues to plague communities to this day. my ancestors had to escape to scotland after the great famine, throughout the generations the language and culture was lost to assimilate and survive yet i still witness anti-catholic sentiments and violence within my community. amazing and very educational video, subscribed and can’t wait for more. 🤝
Quite ironic that in reality the zombie she was signing about was herself. She remained silent about centuries of colonial violence and oppression but rose up the moment she could be used as a tool for anti-liberation propaganda. A zombie for the ideas the occupying power put in her head through cultural indoctrination. Something tells me that this song would not have been as successful had the message been reversed. It probably wouldn't have even been produced, honestly.
Also, she was a massive drunk who was fine putting people down as long as she made her money.
As a Canadian of English, Scots, and Irish descent, a teenager in the 1970s, I was programmed to think that the Irish cause was, not only futile, but insane. I had my doubts about that, even as a kid. Thank you for clarifying this song for us, as I knew I was uncomfortable with the lyrics, but not why.
Similarly, Sunday Bloody Sunday also has always frustrated me with its attitude of inaction. “But I won’t heed the battle call”. …yeah Bono, because you have the wealth and privilege to not be living in the occupied 6 counties while others struggle
He’s the Dublin Messiah; he’s got gold records he needs to polish.
The sad thing is the Invisible Sun by the Police was a better anti-war song. Literal Englishmen did this better than traitors.
I was literally just thinking about this. I can't listen to that song since I realized what the lyrics are. It's like if someone made a song about how Palestinians were being a little overdramatic
It can't gaslight me because I was too stupid to actually even understand.
Great video as always, and a very important video that everyone needs to see. The gaslighting and historical blindness of the Cranberries in making this song is really unbearable and serves only to justify further British colonialism and neo-colonialism. How they managed to twist reality and blame Irish liberationists (those resisting against the over 800 years of British colonial violence) for something that the Brittish colonizers caused is just disgusting British colonial apologia. I really hope more people watch this video and know the truth about Irish history. Long live the Irish national and social liberation struggle! Solidarity and red salute to you, comrade!
I remember thinking this when I was younger and i first heard the song. The way it's framed is as though two parties on equal footing and that if you just changed the way you perceived things you could affect change.
But obviously this aint the case because we don't come out the womb in a neutral zone of equality.
Great video my dude.
"And, apparently, object permanence.. simply doesn't exist" had me lol'n. This is great work, Paul, as always.
When you're fighting oppression, you're going to get pushback from those who are comfortable in their lives (those who don't feel oppressed), but no matter how much pushback you get, if it's worth fighting, it's worth fighting to win. You have to do what's necessary to win. People die in war. It's horrible, and tragic but that's the price of freedom. If a person to pontificate the moral cost of victory, then warfare isn't for them. You have to kill a few to save millions.
I always tought this was just an anti-war song, but this video proved me wrong, thank you so much
this video is so underrated, I can't believe how few views it has!! I first watched it like a year ago and I reference to people all the time, I still hope this pops off and you get the credit you deserve!
I hate how good the song is, it does not deserve to go as hard as it does.
It doesn't go hard. It's trite, teenage angst poorly written and produced shite. Embarrassing.
A similar theme could be established with ‘Revolution’ by The Beatles. It’s basically an endorsement of reformism by denouncing the New Left developments around Mao in the sixties. Just look at these lines:
But when you talk about destruction,
Don’t you know that you could count me out
…
You tell me it’s the institution, well you know,
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying around pictures of Chairman Mao,
You ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow
Obviously there are others, but you get the point.
It makes one think: _why_ are pictures of Mao a no-go? _Why_ is freeing the mind more important? _What_ kind of destruction is a turn-off? (I think we know the answers, so this is mostly rhetorical.)
Phil Ochs’ ‘Love Me, I’m a Liberal’, though…now that’s a good political song. I bet Dolores is a representation of such a person, but I don’t know much about her so I won’t speculate on that.
I thought I was the only one with that opinion.
@@waltonsmith7210 Haha, it took my radicalization to realize what they were saying. I didn’t think much of it, but the more interested in Marxism I became, the more I understood the meaning of the song itself.
Plus, I looked up Lennon’s politics once on Wikipedia; he came off as left-leaning, but seemed to vacillate a lot on reform versus revolution. I think he ultimately settled on reform, though.
Great video. This is not the first time I'd heard about this but this is by far the most detailed look I've seen. It hurts when a song you liked turns out to be so incredibly rotten under the surface.
i did not know anything about this person or song but the fact that she spits on even the 1916 uprising is mind-blowing
I think you did a great job of showing how class supersedes all other criteria in terms of who you will align your interests with. Delores' stance is a fundamentally bourgeois one and it's really no surprise. Even though she was Irish, her interests aligned closer to empire due to her class position.
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 Well "evil" isn't really the point. I love the cranberries and she probably was well intentioned. It's about class interests. People in celebrity positions have a strong incentive to align themselves with bourgeois values because it benefits them materially. This isn't always the case, but it often is. I don't really know how to explain it better but people tend to act in their class interests whether they actively realise it or not.
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 that is just such a mind numbingly stupid reduction of what Michael said. Are you a plant trying to stir or actually that brain broken? Class struggle has nothing to do with good or evil; it has to do with the alignment of interests and concentration of power. Good and evil are emergent from that, yes, but it doesn't make all people involved in the complex system evil. Dolores was a victim of power just as much as a beneficiary, just like most. The only intrinsically evil people in terms of class are billionaires, since they have the power to change everything and make the conscious choice each day to make the world a worse place. Dolores had relatively no power, no matter how successful she was as an artist.
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 a capitalist will eventually bust unions if unions are bad for business. They will eventually stand on the side of third world comprador fascists because it's cheaper to export labor to the third world and superexploit them. Someone needs to police the Untermenschen for them. It's within their class interests to. That's where liberals go mask off and turn into a fascist.
@@michaelslowmin the best part is how you casually dismiss what's been said I'm this video and private your like for the cranberries
@@danielmclellan7762 ????
This is a truly throughout, clearly constructed and informative piece. Thank you for putting in the time to create this. Amazing.
Go raibh maith agat
*Rubs hands together* Time to destroy this song for a bunch of people who don't fully realize what it's about and share the fuck out of this video.
Jokes on you, now I love more than ever that I see what a bunch of merciless barbarous thugs the IRA were and how blind some partisan commentators on here happen to be defending their shocking violence in the name of 'liberation'. My respect for the Cranberries and the sadly departed Dolores O'Riordan knows no bounds. Thanks for spreading the word, my dude! :)
@@RWright-q5e Tell me you love the taste of boot leather without telling me you love the taste of boot leather
Since the Belgian royal house is directly connected to the british one, we historically seem to completely ignore whatever bad the british get up to. And when you combine that with our own abhorrent genocide, we seem to have extra motivation to ignore that. Even now it is barely taught in history class and I had to learn most of it through youtube. Belgium loves portraying itself like heroic freedom fighters when opposed to the Netherlands and France, but stays real quiet when it comes to it's own (kinda still ongoing) genocidal politics and that of it's "big sister" England.
Really cool way to learn more about Irish history. Thanks for this video.
Also, I was surprised to learn malinchism was a word in English. I am Mexican and 'Malinchismo" is a word we are all too familiar with since it was born from the name 'Malinche' (Spanish version of the name Malintzin in Nahuatl) who was the Interpreter/guide/mistress to the Conquistador Hernan Cortes during the invasion of Mesoamerica. I know in the US, their version of this would be 'turncoat' or 'Benedict Arnold'.
Your videos are so good. Thanks again for dropping so much knowledge on us.
And it’s out the playlist just like that, crazy. I can’t believe how backwards her position is compared to what I had always assumed it was based on my misunderstanding of the lyrics. Glad I stumbled upon my own curiosity to check out the actual meaning of the song.
I originally always assumed it was a song supposed to portray and critizise the disconnection people in the western world have from actual wars being fought, only reading about it in the news etc., hence the "in your head" section. Even with those same lyrics, the song could have had such an important message, sad to see its been squandered at the time it even was written. Thanks for clearing this one up for me
I have a feeling the narrator is more of a Sinead o Connor person then a Dolores o Riordan person.
Paul talking about music, excited to watch this
Georgi Dimitrov pfp, based. Sad that his legacy has been so tarnished here in Bulgaria, he was a really great guy.
@@axlgzrdmattickoh shit it’s you Deme, nice.
@@Sasheto05 you recognized me. I'm happy
This song has always had the vibe of a Free Stater untouched by the violence lecturing people on what to believe
Okay, this has to be one of the best political videos I've ever seen. Using a negative and eyecatching thumbnail and title about a popular and well liked piece of media to get people to check the video out, then using the piece of media as a way to talk about a serious issue that I'm sure many people don't know much about, being direct and informative about it, and then the emotional aspect helps to push people towards action.
Good fuckin job with this one. I will have to check out more of your content.
Never thought about the context of the lyrics. Great video!
Sounds like Dolores was the zombie all along.
Thank you for saying this! I have felt this way for years but couldn't fully articulate it. Would be like if someone made a hit song blaming both sides for Israel's occupation of Palestine...which actually I'm a little surprised hasn't happened yet.
search "nina paley this land is mine"
I mean all ya gotta do is read Engels' The Condition of the Working Class in England to see just how horrid Irish proles were treated a century before.
The moment the very name of Ireland is mentioned, the English seem to bid adieu to common feeling, common prudence and common sense, and to act with the barbarity of tyrants and the fatuity of idiots. - Sydney Smith
The lyrics of this song fully encapsulates the reason why Mao said, "no investigation, no right to speak"
It felt like you were gaslighting us with how long youtube took to upload this 😂
More than a few people thought it was an elaborate April Fool's joke.
I wish
@@LeftonReplay It woulda been a good april fools joke ngl
one of my country hero was half cuban half irish, his grandfather from his father side was a cuban rebel who fought the colonial rule of Spain over Cuba, and his grandfather from her mother side was a IRA fighter who escaped prision in a spectacularly fashion. both legacy made him a proto Fidel Castro.
Wow...I wasn't aware that the British/Irish conflict was still recent history...or still going on.
This certainly puts a dent in my enjoyment of the song, but thank you for the history lesson!
I'm curious if you have seen the movie The Banshees of Inisherin, and if so, have you ever thought about making an essay video about it, especially since you are Irish?
(warning for spoilers)
It's a shame that in the end it was all an allegory for the Irish Civil War with the main message being "they were fighting over nothing" because personally I don't think Irish people fighting to free Ireland from British occupation (and their collaborators) is a bad thing actually. But maybe that's just me.
I agree with your position.
There are certainly echoes of a similar sentiment behind Zombie and behind The Banshees of Inisherin - that British colonialism is either harmless or non-existent (a position that comes from a sheltered, well-off upbringing that doesn't experience the negative impacts of imperialism first-hand, therefore assumes they don't exist).
The film makes a virtue out of ignorance - it's somehow admirable that the main characters are clueless about the nature of Britain's colonial occupation of Ireland, anti-imperialist resistance, and the nuances between those who fought for a free and independent 32-county Ireland versus those who capitulated to imperialism by accepting British partition of the country and swearing oaths of allegiance to the British monarchy within the new Irish Free State.
It's easier to just ignore these complex political situations and instead focus on shallow 1-to-1 interpersonal relationships. The result is that this political ignorance facilitates the continuation of imperialist colonial occupation and national oppression.
Nice work, Paul! Considering the streak you're on, I think it's safe to say that you have a knack for this style of political content.
lmao
the farther we move away from it, the more i can see how 90's politics were so cringe. this is what happens when you falsely claim that history ended 🥴
And yet, old Francis F. had us at “hello”. The original essay in 1989 had absolutely everyone who wasn’t still a hardcore materialist M-L purist completely convinced and gushing lib-dem-capitalist juice all over themselves in excited self-congratulatory glee. Which included unfortunately and somewhat paradoxically even the vast majority of the PoMo “cultural leftists”, the “anti-authoritarian” ideologues, analysts of “power”, and doubly paradoxically, those whose analysis indicated the “deconstruction of the coherent individual”.
The two to three decades of almost total silence from the true materialist left since Fukuyama gave the liberal democratic capitalists almost unfathomable opportunity to amass wealth in the hands of the 1% and position themselves for a long battle against working people. I have to admit I spent the end of the 80s the 90s and early 00s lost in the “post-history” cultural left reverie. Events between 2001 to the financial collapse of 2007-08 made it entirely clear the M-Ls had it right all along and the fact our one major geopolitical expression had succumbed while the other had simply planned its re-incorporation of capitalism better made it clear the socialists had a lot of hard work ahead and best be better prepared with a superior economic system this time around.
Awesome video, comrade. Thank you
i always thought the song The Icicle Melts as a follow up to Zombie. now I'm rethinking those lyrics too...
Wow, I realized the song had some questionable politics from the whole "same old theme since 1916" part, but I had assumed the "it's not me, it's not my family" was at least about the way people distance themselves from death and violence because it doesn't directly affect them personally. I mean I guess I was kinda right, but its not others abdication of responsibility on display here, rather her own.
I've been looking for this video for ages. Nice one.
Absolute kicker of a video comrade 🤘🏽
"Cash in" you said just before the 20min mark comrade. That's how it seems to be. I've never knowingly listened to the song - its just never come up and I don't really remember it but I remember The Office (US) and Andy winding everyone up by singing the chorus and so they nick his phone and hilarity ensues. I always assumed that, given the time at which the song was released and where the struggle was at that point, this was meant to be along the lines of: "'mon lads, pack up the guns, enough is enough,', peace process "peacenik" propaganda which "didn't blame any side" if that makes sense? To see it as this kind of meek apology from a West Brit apologist for English tragedies, as terrible as any civilian tragedy can be, during this decades long part of the centuries-long campaign of resistance, is an insult to how people suffered in the 6 counties during that particular piece of historical context which preceded your analysis alone and it also manages to completely disregard and undermine the intense ideological debates that were going on within the Republican struggle throughout "The Troubles". From the actual pogroms to internment to collusion between the Brit state forces and the loyalist fascist thugs who murdered on the behalf of the Brits (with the majority of their victims being innocent), this is nothing short of an insult but really speaks to the lack of class consciousness of the masses when it came to "The Troubles". I always recommend reading James Connolly and Seamus Costello (IRSP/INLA) to those who want to get a grasp on what became known as "The Troubles".
I had to pause at the 20 minute mark so I'm not sure if you got there yet but it is obvious that the songwriter is the real zombie.
edit: ugh, just pressed play again and seen the lyric about 1916. FFS this is another Bono just a tiny bit less insufferable (still way off the charts in terms of what is actually "sufferable" mind). I need a fucken antacid. Great point about the distance though, a kind of psycho-social acceptance because it happened in the past. I suppose that the resistance fighters in Palestine and their supporters in the broader middle east are just "zombies" too eh?
Final edit but brilliant vid that comrade.
Tiocfaidh ár lá
I think more people should be aware of what this song is actually about especially since it’s gained a lot of popularity abroad as well and a lot of foreign artists are now covering it.
that is so interesting, because, as a polish kid, my mother taught me that zombie carries a pro-irish resistance message, as well as a pro-liberation message in general. it's almost funny how wrong she was, if it wasn't so horrifically tragic
Again, this is a fantastic video
Absolute BANGER! There truly nothing as ghoulish as stereotypical liberal both side-ism and as you pointed out, malinchism. Hopefully, we don't have to wait as long for the next video 😂
In absolute fairness, "God Be With You Ireland" is both a much better song and generally supportive of Irish independence.
Well I guess I'm happy I came across this video. Thank you for educating people on this.
I'm going to miss the sound of the song though. If anyone knows any songs in a similar style, I'd love to hear about them.
I was thinking about this song a few months ago, and thought it was shameful how it seemed to both-sides the Troubles, but oh boy, it really is so much worse when you really break it down like this.
Man I thought the in your Head part meant that, the Irish libarationists relive painful memories in their head like a trauma or something.
I see you’re a media critic now, Paul. I wrote my college dissertation on the Troubles and my focus was on English colonization of Ireland. After that Zombie has always hit differently.
I also thought that it was just generalized pacifist hand wringing, but I also knew the situation had to be more complex as is always the case with generalized pacifist hand wringing. Thanks for clearing that up. I had no idea it was targeted so specifically at one side.
LETS GOOO 🎉ITS FINALLY OUT
Thank you so much for making this amazing video!
Wtf I didn't get the notification for this. Great video Paul. I remember when I was doing my a-levels (exams we have to do in England before going to uni for anyone not familiar) and me and a good friend whose also a comrade spoke about this song and how much we dislike it
As an American, a real one, not one of colonizers who paint themselves in our blood and claim our name as they do our land as their own...
I have always hated this song as soon as I listened to the lyrics.
Great video and subscribed.
Banger video as always. Solidarity from Norway, may Ireland be rebuilt upon the ashes of the crumbling British and Ameircan empires.
Thank you! I was completely clueless about this song. Happy to know better.
Im glad Im not the only human being on earth whos's had this exact same thought. It seemed a little weird how much blame it put on the Irish side of things without mentioning the actual factors that drove the conflict. It wasnt all just mindless primal violence. Theres a glaring structural factor. Ive never heard anyone criticize this song. Thank you for making me feel less crazy.
Great video Paul!!! I would love to see more deep dives into music like this.
Great video, thanks for breaking this down. I had never really looked too far into the lyrics, and after watching this it's blatantly obvious.
Sometimes it's horrifying how much ignorant some people can be. As someone whose nation was (and still is) under constant oppression from the UK and US, and now is being exploited by collaborative ruling classes that not only exploit the lower classes but also aid the neo-colonial exploitation by China and Russia, I can deeply understand how it feels to hear things like this and it always infuriated me. During WW1 the British and Russian Armies unlawfully ignored our neutrality and invaded our nation. Didn't take long until they bought all of our food supplies from our markets and made an artificial famine that caused 10 million Iranian people and children to starve to death. This was an act of deliberate genocide that no one knows or cares about. And your video greatly helps in informing people that we must not forget nor forgive what atrocities these Imperialist powers committed to our nations.
Hope more people get informed about these events and pull the wool off their eyes.
Well done. Very informative!
[11:23] Brazil scooching over, with the popcorn
(now, seriously, I never really understood when she said "it's the SAME OLD THEME since 1916")
Well. It's good to finally my vague unease over the 1916 line be put into contex.
Wonderful video. But allow me to say something about the word Malinchism. This word comes from a name of an indigenous woman who was key in the defeat of the Aztec empire due to her knowledge of Nahua, Maya and Spanish. We invented that word attributing this colonial mindset a lot of people have in Mexico to that woman. However, lately this word has being criticized because it puts the blame on an indigenous woman who while already enslaved was given to the Spanish as a slave.
oh, that's unfortunate... it's amazing how language itself is written and in this case, fucking invented, by the powers that be and usually no-one else... my hope is that from now on, with social media, and dictionaries also being more critical of how and why they include or don't include new words in the dictionary every year, that basically LANGUAGE becomes more democratic and things such as "Malinchism" don't happen so easily in the future. Indeed, going down this rabbit hole for a minute, from your description, it doesn't even seem that Malinche would be herself considered a Malinchist by today's standards. There is a HUGE difference between an enslaved woman relenting to her captors' demands (there's at least room for this interpreation in Malinche's story), and a free, actually very successful and revered woman, choosing to write a song calling her neighbors zombies to highlight how SHE is one of the good ones...
Great. Another thing about my adolescence gets revealed to me as capitalist tripe.
I can see why so many people in the global north stay in their bubbles and don't learn about the world around them. It's rarely fun to go outside.
Genuinely, I've been a fan of this song because of the music. I habitually don't go deeper into these arts than just perceiving them and enjoying them on the surface. But I now see that it's important to gauge the deeper message behind art; otherwise if you endorse it wholly, you also endorse the message. Lots of food for thought.
Even if that were somehow true, what you personally endorse changes nothing. This is the virtue signaling and wokeness people are talking about. I liked the video. I like the song. I like that this video explains the song and find both entertaining. Consumption of neither media is relevant to moral character or social efficacy or "praxis." Media consumption is not meaningful to society.
@@justcommenting4981 Only part of your reply I don't agree with is the last 2 sentences; too ambiguous, and I'm unsure of how relevance is defined in this context.
Otherwise, yes, we're all farts in the wind.
@gnome from pinkerton so you hear Chinese propaganda or Russian propaganda and get whiplash listening to U.S. propaganda? Propaganda works by drowning out everything else, you don't deliberately consume propaganda to shape your thinking. Consuming media does literally nothing and there is no media you can show someone to make them a good person.
Very informative, thank you!
I knew next to nothing on the subject except that there had been violent conflict between Ireland and the UK at some point, and due to the vagueness of the lyrics it just seemed like a condemnation of violence and the politics that lead to it.
Pretty depressing and annoying to find out what it was actually about.
Jesus, as a Russian Ukrainian I have experienced Malinchism on several levels - firstly as a Ukrainian who spoke with people (predominantly elder ones) who viewed the Ukrainian culture to be vastly inferior to the Russian culture. Secondly, as a Russian who spoke with (predominantly younger) people who saw Russian culture as vastly inferior to the "Western" cultures.
Thank you for the enlightening video! Solidarity!
Please do more! Love it!
Hey loved your first video and went to your channel to see more but there wasn't any videos so thought I'd stay as a one off, so when I saw you upload a new video I got so hyped
Zombie isn't even The Cranberries best single. She should have stuck with being sad and Irish instead of attempting to talk politics and doing this centrist political nonsense.
I think she was a beautiful soul and a great front woman /singer but utterly ignorant and uneducated about The Troubles.
This song shows you that she was anything *but* a beautiful soul.
What an amazing production, bravo!
The in your head part to me sounded like she was talking about ptsd.
Huh. I thought the lyrics were condemning the UK, and pro-violent uprising while definitely not "anti-war" as in passively accepting imperialism; there is no such thing as peacefully being anti-war while empires exist, since you'll inevitably have to violently resist to stop their war machine. I misunderstood such things as the 1916 reference being that the UK keeps murdering Irish (among others) and need to be stopped (violently) rather than just paying lip service to the people who gave their lives in the past, not that the people who died were to be condemned for resisting. That is the nice thing about the death of the artist; it doesn't matter what Dolores thought.
Wow. Great job as usual. What do you think of Gravel institutes "How Britain staved Ireland." Video? I didnt learn till today about the scorched earth destruction of land.
What do you think of Paul McCartneys "Give Ireland Back to the Irish?" Id say its a much better song with a nicely unambiguous message. John Lennons "Bloody Sunday" is pretty good too. It pulls no punches whatsoever. Although Yoko Onos screeching is a bit unnecessary.