Introduction to scintillators
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This video looks at scintillators, materials that emit light when exposed to ionizing radiation. We expose a variety of common (and not-so-common) scintillators to an intense Cs-137 source and look at the light that comes out. Scintillators can be characterized in many ways, but some of the most important properties include light intensity, spectrum (or color), and time response. Different properties are important for different applications. A few essential applications are discussed. Scintillators are truly remarkable and remain an important research frontier in nuclear engineering.
What's your favorite scintillator? Do you have questions or want to share something additional? Feel free to engage in the comments.
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I had to suppress my urge to squeal like a schoolgirl when I saw this video appear in my feed a few minutes ago. Just finished up a few custom scintillation detectors last week, I’ve learned so much from your channel already, can’t wait to hear your take on this!
What a great image!
I love how you can see slight snow on the camera right next to the source, and yet the final picture turned out pretty clean.
This really makes me appreciate my scintillation crystals, and the gamma spectrometer they make up.
Thank you for the great image and reminder about the nuclear science week!
Haven’t checked your channel in a while… I see you’ve been busy over the last year! I will very much enjoy going through and watching your proportional counter videos and especially your scintillator test bed and videos!!! That’s “dream come true“ UA-cam content for me right there!
I noticed it too, you can see the gammas slamming in to the CMOS sensor and for normal frame video that's a pretty hot source!
I have a Radiacode 101 gamma spectroscopy and scintillation detector. It utilizes a CsI(Tl) crystal with a SiPM. It has lousy resolution but it is a fairly capable spectrometer regardless. I have some great Reference spectra for my library that I have collected. Great video! Lots of great information. Thank you Carl for your work.
Wow, you can see the gamma rays slamming in to the CMOS sensor on the camera causing a good amount of pixelating noise.. that's a pretty hot source for sure! thanks Carl for sharing
Did I miss this? I must have. Could you please leave the timing for me so I can go back and watch that? Cheers.
@@shannonpincombe8485 No problem - starting at about 3:56 when he shows the video from the camera close to the source, you will see a few bright dots in the video at random spots. It could be beta too if it's close enough, but most likely it's because the gammas - they are stripping electrons off of the CMOS sensor substrate within the camera.. that translates in to these flashes of pixels. some videos show them in more abundance -- google CMOS radiation noise - you should see better examples. hope this helps.
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We may only get 2 videos a year from Carl, but when we do.... it's a good day!
Bionerd has an amazing video from years back showing various scintillators glowing too (in video!!) under a radiation therapy linac.
Andrew Seltzman has some good ones of cameras and scintillators going through an electron beam system. I think it was an industrial system for cross-linking polymers.
You get some nice views of the purple ionized air, flashes from x-rays, the scintillators glowing like light bulbs, and then the cameras going to snow from all the radiation even though they are heavily shielded.
@@trustthewater indeed. they were amazing and I was subscribed until a year or so ago when he decided to go completely insane and totally shitted up his whole channel with about a thousand leftist protest videos. ain't nobody got time fo dat. has he decided to come back to reality since?
@@Muonium1 I unsubscribed for the same reason...
What happened to Bionerd 23? She had so many great videos then just suddenly went away…
@@bltc11 sometimes people just need to dip out. Best guess from me would be that she finally said fuck it after the millionth "zomg ru dead of teh cansur yet??" comment.
I love your video and the scintillator photo. Your explanation of the materials was excellent and I bet your students really get a kick out of your classes since you have a great way of expalining rhe practicle uses for each of the scintillators you used. I wish we could catch the 'flash moment' you referred to for each of the materials and tell their reaction times. Great footage and thank you.
I love your work, Carl! I saw that LYSO scintillator, and I knew exactly what it was! It is slightly radioactive (Lu-176), and is a nice low-moderate gamma energy calibration source (88 keV, 202 keV, 307 keV), with high branching intensities. I use NaI:Tl and PRA, with a GammaSpectacular MCA. It works well! CeBr or SrI:Eu have about twice as better resolution, but they're expensive! HPGe is the best, and I'd love to get my hands on one, but they're crazy expensive! Anyways, thank you for sharing your amazing work! Thank you so much!
Yep, still waiting for a CeBr3 or SrI:Eu crystal to fall into my lap.
💕 Carl, Your the Only guy in town, that has a ton of giant Lead Blocks, kicking around your house and office! Says a lot about how good you are in this field. 😃
"The Thing" Excellent scientific terminology. LOL!
Great video Carl! Looking forward to your future videos, always a treat!
This was really cool to see! I think in the last year I read "LYSO" hundreds of times and I knew its peak emission wavelength, but actually seeing what it looks like (or would look like in a very unhealthy environment) is a completely different thing!
Many thanks, the information here will be useful and credited in an upcoming video of mine.
Carl, I love your videos. You really have a great narration voice and you are an excellent educator. Thank you for all of your efforts. And gosh darn it, be careful!
Very interesting video! I am slightly disappointed however that Lanthanum Bromide was not shown. Lanthanum bromide offers excellent energy resolution properties which is very beneficial for high-end gamma spectroscopy applications.
Lanthanum bromide (and many other high-performance materials) are not shown because they're expensive and I don't own a sample. It seems I need to periodically remind people that my videos are self-funded. Every scintillator shown here is personally owned and was acquired incidental to some personal project. I welcome donations and opportunities to review different capabilities that I don't presently have.
Awesome video! I do a lot of testing with scintillators for a company that makes compact high resolution RIIDs and PRDs with CsI:Tl (7% resolution) and CLLBC (sub 4% resolution) scintillators. Love your videos, very informative.
Sounds like a good business to be in. Wish I could get my hands on some of that CLLBC. Remarkable new material.
@@Carl_WillisYeah it's incredible stuff. The neutron discrimination ability is phenomenal. If only it wasn't super hygroscopic, it can be a bit of a pain to work with.
Thank you for this great video, there are hardly any videos about scintillators around the internet, I learned a lot from this one.
Always wonderful to see new videos from you! Exceptional quality of information and demonstration as always. Cheers!
Chad, good to hear from you! I hope all is going well. Fond memories of visiting Vogtle NPP almost a decade ago!
Always a pleasant surprise to see a new video from you! Merry nuclear science week!
PLease make more this is crazy cool
This was excellent. Thank you for this video.
I once interviewed for a job at UCLA working on a project looking for dark matter using fiber optic scintillators. They're looking for WIMPS as a dark matter possibly. I didn't get the job, but I think it would have been a lot of fun.
Thanks Carl. It's always to see new content from you!! Keep up the Great Education!!!
Excellent demonstration and explanation, Carl! Love the use of the cheap grabbers. :)
Thank you Carl, excellent video.
Superb video Carl. Thank you for making and sharing it.
Thank you for posting this!
Looking forward to attending UNM next fall in pursuit of my NE degree! :)
Yaaaay!
Do a tour of all the sources you've got
4:00 we can see the cerenkov effect on the camera !
Very cool video! Thanks for sharing - I know nothing about this area but at least I'm now slightly less ignorant than I was before!
That was fun. Thanks!
Another great video!
Thanks Carl
Thank you for making this content, it's really fascinating to me, radiation and the scintillating materials too. Some interesting rarely used elements and chemistry too!
Nice to see the actual light from gamma interactions. I just us UV to check scintillators and wondered if the same light wavelengths are emitted. I guess some of these scintillators may not react to UV light.
Yep, UV light works well with most of these materials (though it will photochemically blacken Hg2Br2). Just not as fun as putting them on an actual radioactive source!
Yesss. Waited for a new video from you! Good job!
Great channel. I used to love Anti-proton because he experimented on a hobby scale.
Can you please show scintillation of an atom it would highly helpful for my research work!!
Wow, nice you have access to such a strong source! The possibilities for experiments are endless. How thick are the walls on the shielding container, and what material is it made of?
The container is made of lead and is a couple inches thick.
Was this video also a way to tell the university to give them better equipment to handle the radioactive stuff?, Anyway, amazing video and very informative!
Actually, the lab already has a couple long remote handling tools. I prefer the $2.50 Costco option because it's exactly the right size for the job at hand.
@@Carl_Willis Wow, I might buy some too... wait a minute, this might be a costco commercial since the beginning! XD.
Jokes aside, great video man!
If you want, i can place some of these into a 80KeV Electron beam as well. Or if you wait until mid next year, a 400KeV electron beam. Dont have many scintilators seen in the video on hand though, as i mostly use other ones.
Good stuff Carl. I was happy to see this video on my rad nerd feed. I love your enthusiasm for this stuff.
awesome video. I am a bit confused why you had to run out when the camera took the picture.
Very interesting video. But how can you attach the scintillating glass fibers to a photomultiplier?
For large fiber arrays, you probably wouldn't be using PMTs. Maybe a microchannel plate.
@@Carl_Willis Ah okay, thank you.
Wow, what was the activity of the source? Must give off about 10 R at 1 inch?
I just brought 2 gemstones cut from luag 😍😍😍 so pretty and vibrant!
Heh I took some tape with zinc sulfide film on it and made about a 1 square foot phosphorescent screen on my wall. I hit it with a UV flashlight and it makes for a nice nightlight that turns itself off after about half an hour. Or, I had fun getting it to glow with a small van de graff generator. I could actually visualize the electric field lines! I doubt an alpha particle could get through the plastic lamination on it, but I'd love to hit it with a beta source, if I could get one, or stick it in a home made cathode ray tube as the target. Maybe put an iron cross in front, for nostalgia's sake.
excellent video. subbed.
Great video! How many visible photons does one gamma ray photon produce in a scintillator? Does the gamma photon travel in a straight line kicking off visible photons in it's path, each time slightly reducing it's energy?
The number of visible photons is a function of the material, the energy of the gamma ray, and the type of interaction that the gamma ray experiences. Obviously, it's higher in the brighter materials. It also typically scales linearly with energy for photoelectric absorption. The photon can interact by being absorbed or being scattered, and typical scattering events change the direction and energy of the radiation substantially (e.g. via the Compton effect).
Thats very interesting 👍
I've always wondered if in the future we would have the technology to create radiation cameras, that would detect the direction of radiation. Similar to infrared heatmap cameras but for beta radiation for example.
they exist but it's much harder and more expensive to do with gamma rays. with x-rays you can at least use grazing incidence low angle reflection off of parabolic / hyperbolic nested mirrors, but you can't even do that with gamma rays and the only options left are pinhole cameras (ridiculous low efficiency and useless for all but the most insanely active sources) and zone plate coding apertures (heavy, still poor efficiency, awful spatial resolution)
Some technology now enables a direction vector to be obtained. Gamma rays are indirectly ionizing, but it's still possible to reconstruct the initial direction using the properties of Compton scattering.
Awesome !!!
Dang reminds me of the handling of the "demon core" :) I absolutely know this guy knows what hes doing.
Great channel! My father in law did a lot of research on kosmos 954, even took a lone expedition up there to search for it. He has some information about it that was not mentioned in your vice video. He would love to talk to you and or Taylor about it. He’s a Reno local. He has a UA-cam channel called David Jenner. He’s put some kosmos videos on there. That’s not his name. This is the only way that I found to contact you. I hope you see this comment. I’ll put you in touch if you’re interested.
Hello and thanks for mentioning your father-in-law's interest in the KOSMOS-954 satellite. I'd welcome making contact. We had a good time making the VICE show and met a lot of people directly involved with Operation Morning Light. Very little technical background made it into the final cut of the tv show, but Taylor and I geeked out hard on these details extensively. My email address is on the channel homepage and I can also be tracked down at my University of New Mexico job. Thanks and best regards!
Hey Carl, I see that there’s a leaded glove box behind you in the intro, what sort of experiments do you guys perform in there? Also Go Lobos, Class of ‘19
Hello Carl. Nice video, really interesting.
I got a question. Is the NaI(Tl) or CsI(Tl) glowing with Beta rays or only with Gamma rays ??
Carl... I saw your plasma tubes years ago in a maker fair exhibit... Are you still making them?
Thanks for the info.
To add my 2 cents... Just came along of cheap CsI:Th based spectrometer/dosimeter, while the crystal is about 1 cubic centimeter large. Its in sealed package, as i understand it might behave similarly to a table salt - attract water in moist environment.
I assume that CsI:Th spectrometer/dosimeter would not be the most accurate, but since it produce the highest amount of light it will be quite sensitive, and here is the thing why i even consider to buy such spectrometer...
a) I live in Central Europe, and there might be residuals of Cs-137 in nature (mainly mushrooms) and I would like to see for myself if the contamination is real.
b) There is a really bad trend of using Thorium Oxide in "energetic pendants", and I would like to demonstrate to people that the products they sell are radioactive, and which radionuclide it is.
Damn cool
That barium sulfate scintillator has some brighter spots. Is that the material itself, or random dust? Or dust from another scintillator material?
That is really interesting.
Two questions: how long was the exposure time to get this picture?
And also: if you would stand there in the dark, would you be able to see those flashes with the naked eye?
Is the yvo4 crystal regular or neodymium doped? Used them for making lasers many years back. Also used to build awsome little neutron/soft gamma detectors for ludlum 2's and 3's from bad surplus scionix LiL:Eu detectors and Adit photomultiplier tubes salvaged from hurricaine flood damaged VACIS wands. The scionix detectors were originally for SAIC identifinders but the little metal can hamamatsu PMT couldnt take the soldering and would slowly leak. The Vacis wands were from gamma cameras used to inspect ocean containers. They had rather large NaI:Tl crystals, all water damaged, but usually salvagable if determined. Cut the scionix detector in two with a pipe cutter and optical epoxied to the adit tube in a nitrogen purged glove box- Li iodide is stupidly hygroscopic 😲. Put the works in a stainless travel cofee mug with a removable moderator molded in the cap and bnc or c-hv connector on the back. Was very specific for neutrons when running the pmt at about 700v or so, at just under 850v it would let you know where a smoke detector was through the wall from the gamma scatter! Those were good times 🤓
Hello Carl, I wonder something. Are the sintillation crystals radioactive themselves ? Thanks
If I may answer for him - no, the scintillators would not contain any radioactive material because this would defeat the point. They are used for radiation detection and including radioactive material would cause an increase in noise, which is undesirable.
Granted, the lutetium dopant of one of them is very slightly radioactive because one of the naturally-occurring isotopes of lutetium (Lu-176) is slightly radioactive. But since it is a doping agent, it is only added in small quantities, presumably too small to affect the signal-to-noise ratio much.
One thing to notice is that two of the most common scintillator materials are Tl-doped NaI and CsI. It would also be possible in principle to use KI or RbI, but those aren't used because K and Rb are both naturally radioactive.
Is the CsI crystal so bright because its atoms are so heavy hence the high density and higher chance of interaction? I just wonder whether the combination of heaviest (stable) alkali metal with the heaviest (stable) halide has something to do with it...
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My gums are bleeding and my hair is falling out as I rewatch this, ironically enough
go somewhere else with your lack of knowledge of nuclear physics
You are not supposed to mention the harm or risks, or the lack of safe disposal for this going on decades now.
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That radiation noise though 🤔🤔🤔
Why didn't you set up the camera behind a solid lead shield and take a picture through a mirror around the corner?
This is a reasonable approach if you have a long lens with a fast aperture and are willing to invest a lot of time and effort stacking lead. It's an approach I have situationally adopted. But it wasn't viable when I was making this video.
09:37 How exactly?
Would these glow bright enough to see with the eye in potentially harmful radiation?
I mean, not just UV, but A, B, X, G?
you were on vice !!!!!
Yes, had an interesting little trip to Canada with them.
Are any of these LYSO (Cerium-doped Lutetium Yttrium Orthosilicate) crystals?
When the NAS recommended standardizing global radiation readings can it be explained why the industry fought that?
I confess I'm not familiar with this situation...can you provide a link with background?
Lol I should have looked at ur channel, very interesting
Nice i picked up my first one today *nothing special* its a radiacode 101 and little device with a 10x10x10 crystal Cesium doped neat little device
12:40 Couldn't that be easily fixed by taking 3 or more photos and combining them? (for each pixel, take median across the photo set)
Sure enough. It's not mentioned, but the image shown here is a stacked composite of three exposures. It's still unacceptably noisy, but the only good solution would be a thick lead glass window that weighs 100kg and creates its own problems.
@@Carl_Willis The image is still perfectly fine for its purpose anyway. Even though the background noise is readily visible on closer inspection (at least on 1080p, less so on 720p), it is really not distracting and in fact I probably would not even have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out in the video, so I'd call it acceptably noisy!
(Of course I can only call it acceptable because I'm not the one who made the image, if I were I'd undoubtedly have spent waaay more time than it's worth to try to get rid of it ;-)
Wow, small world! Two of the smartest people I have ever come across. One a Beagle Bone/Linux wizard, and one a radiation wizard :) Great respect to you both!
Wow crazy
Does these crystals recovered from scrap old crystal scintillator have any monetary value
Scintillation detector packages in surplus have some residual value, as people sell them all the time on eBay. The crystals themselves may or may not have any value...depends on material and condition.
@@Carl_Willis thankyou 👍
Are these materials UV reactive?
i changed the colors of colors and characteristic on my screens and you seem to scintillate blue around your skin
Hi Carl do you know if bionerd23 is safe and ok? I have been trying to figure this out for like 4 years now. Every so often checking to see if she uploads again. I contacted one of her bike friends and he told me she was missing. I just never thought of looking at her related channels until today
Video comments are not an appropriate place to post questions like this. See ua-cam.com/users/CarlWillis1980community
Do you know where Bionerd23 is?
I am Jack's scattered photons.
I’m a simple gal, I see glow I click.
Why did you have to run out of the room fast?
deus vult willis
can i make jewelry out of it
I guess? But it wouldn't really glow
Why does he look deepfaked tho
Maybe because he is real and someone faked his death and life now