The guy who died at the hospital raised a cherry picker whilst looking over the edge of the basket. He trapped himself between a steel beam and the cherry picker. How is this NG baileys fault. Surely as a trained cherry picker operator you should know better?
Pretty sure the HSE are in a better position to rule on this, as opposed you. The HSE state: A Health and Safety Executive (HSE) investigation found NG Bailey Limited, the lead contractor for the project, had failed to consider overhead obstructions, especially during the transit of MEWPs on site. The assessments in place did not consider these risks despite HSE and industry guidance highlighting them and the available control measures. HSE guidance states it is important that those responsible for selecting, specifying and managing MEWPs on site understand the risks associated with the use of a MEWP so they can advise on the precautions required to eliminate or control those risks.
Your workers are never going to stop injuring themselves, however if you don't put on paper that they should wear a nappy and get their signatures of approval you are liable when they don't and shit the pram. The paperwork isn't about making any site safe or death free. Its about keeping the blame on the lowest man.
The loss of mobile data is just the opening act. Wait until the vendors behind many 'smart' chargers decide they don't want to support their older products ie too old or 'change of company focus' or acquisition or simple bankruptcy and the 'cloud' server that provides much of the 'smarts' ceases to be available. Entire fleets of 'smart' chargers will go dumb overnight. It's going to be tough on installers when the first big one fails - as the installer probably will be the first one the customer calls when their EV charger stops talking to their phone and the customer isn't going to take it well when the installer says 'nothing I can do'.
@@MatthewGeierThis is already happening with MyEnergi. Zappi v2 is already no longer getting features like Zappi v2.1, and they already did this with Zappi v1. Several issues and features promised by Dr. Chris (CTO) never materialise due to priorities. I won't install them anymore unless explicitly requested because it feels to me like they won't support the product for a long term - customers will expect the device to remain fully functional and supported for 10+ years like many other fixed appliances. I want to like them, but I don't trust MyEnergi.
So I can't sell my old power tools if I upgrade at a boot sale because someone left their tools in the van overnight and they got stolen. Next, we'll be banning selling phones, bicycles and all sorts of commonly stolen items.
And soon enough you'll only be able to buy anything from big 'authorised' sellers (ie. Amazon and eBay) - who, of course, collect VAT while simultaneously wriggling out of their responsibilities as retailers and billions of pounds of other taxes they should be obliged to pay, but don't.
Who is going to police this? the same people that cant or wont investigate the theft in the first place. What about Ebay or FB marketplace and others? Are we going TRY to ban those as well?
@@neilblack5924 Like you say it is stupid. There are no police available to do the essentials (and we live near Croydon) and to think they might be wasting their time at boot sales looking for a 1 in 1000 chance of nabbing someone is a joke. I even saw a video on UA-cam recently when a guy's camera equipment was stolen and was being sold at cash converters. The police told him to buy it from there 1st and then make a complaint. The whole government point of being greener like with the push to EV's, becomes senseless if working tools have to be skipped as you can't sell them on.
Councils are the last people to trust with oversight of EV chargers - the planning system should be simplified to encourage commercial organisations to provide charging solutions directly.
I am not sure that I could comply with the new standards in my 2 bed terraced house. I have a 10kWh system mounted directly to the gable wall in the loft, no floor load so no risk of premature collapse. I am not sure I have a location outside that is more that 1m from a window.
Banning the sale of tools at car boot sales is stupid, people can legitimately sell second hand tools! Far more emphasis should be placed on getting the police to actually do their jobs and investigate tool thefts properly in the first place, how about the police actually question and investigate the people at car boots who are selling a suspicious amount of tools…?
The battery changes though somewhat sensible from a fire standpoint in attics (ie a fire due to something other than the battery). The outdoor requirement of not within 1m of ventilation, windows, doors etc is practically untenable as many are vents are every 1.2 meters. Short of having an outbuilding especially for the batteries this prevents installation in most terraced homes with ventilated floor voids and even semi detached.
It's a curly one but one that needs to be worked out. Lithium batteries are nasty if they are burnt and you don't want to breathe in the results. Particular types of sodium ion batteries fall into the same bundle so even if you hop on the sodium bandwagon it's not a guarantee of a solution. Buyer beware.
Stringing 240v wires across the sidewalk - what could go wrong? Nothing can be allowed to stand in the way of EV-ification. Let's throw the entire electrical code in the trash!
With growing evidence of the long term pollution and disposal and big car companies getting cold feet you would think the government would take note of the impending problems with e v cars
I never thought about something like this. The cables across pavements remedy has always been a non-starter due to health and safety issues it would cause. But most of this relies on you being able to park outside your house in the 1st place.
I remember many years ago, seeing a shop in Lincolnshire for an electrical contractor called "AC Burns". At least it's not RF, I thought. Should a passion fruit be grown close to a cactus? 😉
So, the people who run boot sales will be responsible for the items being sold? Its an unreasonable thing to expect, killing off boot sales. No one will risk running a boot sale event because you can't monitor the contents of every sellers boot. This would completely close our century old club because we couldn't take the risk of one person selling a stolen item, even though the only thing that keeps our club going is the money raised from an annual boot sale. There are laws that make organisers responsible now, if known to be complicit in the thefts, but extending the laws like this would destroy almost all boot sales.
There's a trend of smart chargers becoming dumb. My EO Mini Pro is no longer smart as EO terminated the contract with their smart provider after 5 years and say we shouldn't have any expectation for a charger to work for that long. It's now just a dumb charger and they refuse to do anything about it saying their legal advice told them they don't have to.
That's the thing though, customers will expect it to be supported and work as expected for 10+ years like any fixed appliance. These companies will disappear as installers lose faith in their ability to maintain quality product support.
Why are you repeating MyEnergi's blatant snipe at competitor Ohme, whilst not reporting on Myenergi's terrible behaviour towards installers by- badmouthing them to their customers, and denying warranty coverage by falsely claiming bad installation? See latest Electrician's Podcast for details
Myenergi are coming to my house next week because I had a harvi fail, and they realised (from pictures they asked me to send to them) that the installer had used a "type AC" RCD device in the auxiliary fuse box added for my zappi. They are sending someone out to swap it out for the correct one at no charge. They didn't make any comment about the original installer, who I found from their web site. I've never been able to fault their service to me as a customer and end user.
The ownership and possession of power tools is not an offense so to ban sales wherever it may be is only hurting the innocent when it is the tradies etc who fail to clearly mark their tools or record serial numbers. A better solution would be a range of tradie only tools in a colour that is instantly recognised as trade only.
So my battery installation was located in the loft space prior to this new guidance. What implications does this have for insurance, and for future electrical tests? Am I stuck now with a non-compliant system? Is it worth moving the batteries, and how practical is that? What do you think? (10kWh huawei setup)
Talk to your insurance company. An interesting question. Insurance companies normally calculate their premiums based on the level of risk involved. And the level of risk remains unchanged by the publication of the guidance. So theoretically there shouldn't be any change in the premium, unless the insurance company did not calculate the level of risk correctly involved into policies taken out before the guidance was issued.
And compliance is not the correct word here. Compliance is about conforming to a legal obligation. The document at the moment is a standard and is not legally mandated. So you can say your system doesn't conform to the guidance or standard but it is incorrect to say it is not compliant to the guidance. We have got to be careful, we don't everyone saying they are not compliant when of course no one is compliant because it is not possible to be compliant to a standard or guideline.
Are you stuck with a non compliant system? Your system is not non-compliant. Are you stuck with it? Depends on what you really mean by that. You are not legally obliged to change your system. It is up to you whether you do so. It is down to you to assess the level of risk involved and decide if you want to reduce that risk. No one is forcing you. There are measures you can take to lower the risk without moving the batteries out of the loft. Then the question is, do those measures reduce the risk down to an acceptable level? A question for you might be, if you come to sell your house and the batteries are in the loft. Does that makes your property unsellable? Will you have to lower the selling price of the house to prevent prospective buyers turning away?
@@deang5622 The document under consideration is not a Standard yet. In PAS 63100:2024, it actually says in it’s foreword that: “This PAS is not to be regarded as a British Standard. It will be withdrawn in the event it is superseded by a British Standard. ” It is a draft specification, and it then goes on to say: “The PAS process enables a specification to be rapidly developed in order to fulfil an immediate need in industry. A PAS can be considered for further development as a British Standard, or constitute part of the UK input into the development of a European or International Standard. ”
Regarding power tools being resold at car boot sales, that's just another excuse for more government control and we need less. It's also another reason to have digital currency, something else we don't need.
Why do you need all these security devices in these EV chargers. I worry about the batteries in my loft for fires and what would happen if those EV controllers were hacked and the BMS discharged all at once or discharged to the National grid at the same time.
If the EV charger has PEN fault detection and cut-off, like they are required to now, why does it matter if you are able to touch metalwork on a different distribution system at the same time as the vehicle?
There's more than PEN faults at play. It's likely going to come down to exotic issues revolving around how the LV network is setup over there as well as the primary side of the distribution transformer (often 11kV) and associated earthing. Yes, this would be an edge case, ie someone having to get between two items on separate transformers but it's already something that is paid close attention to with other items in the public space so EVs should be treated no differently.
I’d recommend a read of the code of practice edition 5. As far as I’m aware the need for simultaneous contact assessment only arises when providing the charger with a TT earthing arrangement. PEN fault protection is only required where the charger is connected to a TNCS or TNS (where PME conditions will likely apply now or in the future)
@@stranglxPEN fault is built into all the ones we make and service at work, it used to be a separate product but simpler to just build it in and configure when needed cost wise I guess.
@@retrozmachine1189I don't think the potential difference between two different earths on two electrical installations would be considered "exotic". Basic perhaps but not exotic.
Please explain what are the actual dangers! "Over here" in continental europe everything is on three phases. Even the room I currently sit in has two phases (the lights and the outlet underneath the light switch are on a different phase than the outlets, redundancy) - No issues! All wallboxes >3.8kW are on three phases. It's completely normal, it's not specifically dangerous. Many of the public charging points, even ones next to each other are on different transformers, no problems with that as well. What should cause the claimed danger, I don't understand. You still leave me puzzled what could possibly be the problem. None of our Charging points (11kW, 22kW, etc.) has any such issues. I wonder what could be the fundamental difference in britain or what it specifically is that I don't understand about the electrical system in the UK.
@@efixx Thank you, but what exactly? As far as I know, BS-Standards regarding PE and Earthing are harmonized with EN-Standards just like DIN/VDE over here. Code has strict demands on PE and earthing. Every charging point is tested according to the standards, just like any other outlet or any other install. Testing PE, Earthing and the RCD is a significant part of this. So if none of the PEs is faulty and it's all compliant, where's the problem? Again, considering that most of the cars are coated in non-conductive material anyways, good luck in finding a conductive spot on the outside of a BEV. Sorry for being so insisting, but it is realy bugging me.
@@Cymaphoreover here we won’t let people use hairdryers in bathrooms, I wouldn’t worry to much, I’m sure some people at the IET are trying to make a moat for some pals in industry to rip us off more. No doubt a brexit benefit.
@@Cymaphore yes I would like a more detailed explanation, how much of a risk is it? Perhaps it’s something to do with the inevitable non compliant installations over here, or just part of the anti ev brigade spreading yet more disinformation.
There's likely more exotic (even though a certain person doesn't like me using the word for some reason) things at play here that'd require more understanding of how low voltage supply is setup over there than I have. It's more than simple earth potential difference or even PEN faults even though they are certainly issues. Normally everything you can touch that has an electrical supply in the public space is fed by the same distribution transformer and in turn that transformer is fed by an even wider area medium voltage supply. The placement of things connected to the electrical supply in the public space has this taken into consideration so that you can't get yourself across items on different transformers to keep things safe. Ultimately the same should be done with EVs.
Sorry its not to do with the video guys. But maybe you van help. What should I do if my landlord has had a plumber in a year ago putting a new bathroom in and changing and adding to the circuit but didn't get a part P and ia now lying and saying it didn't need one. Asking as I found live cables. We informed the council and they didn't seem bothered
@ef7480 new shaver ,4 down lights a fan wired In 1.5 3 core and earth with a fan isolator fitted to.isolate 4inch fan with over run. A centre light placed on a jb then additional 1.5 mm cable run to.4x ip.rated down lights. Shaver point wired to light switch for a permanent live.
I've had the 'pleasure' of working for n g bailey's in the past, 1 of the worse companies I've jumped on with in almost 30yrs, surprised there hasn't been any more fatalities
My understanding is that EV chargers have sophisticated protection built in to detect fault conditions that could present a dangerous voltage to the vehicle body, as well as leakage current trip systems. Is the current level of protection deemed 'inadequate' for on street charging? A video on this channel 3 years ago explained these mechanisms in detail. ua-cam.com/video/p562IZ1nOSM/v-deo.html
Seems to be all about ground potential. And the car is connected directly to ground if I am not mistaken. Something about joining ground and neutral, and houses possibly having different potential due to the sharing of ground and neutral wire.
It's due to on street parking chargers being single phase. Typically houses are fed via a ring main with every 4th house on the same phase as the 1st. Lamp posts are the same. It allows for balancing of the load but also if the neutral/main ground path becomes compromised you have uneven loading across the main. In turn leads to a far larger potential being 3 phase and 2 separate single phase devices offering protection unlike one 3 phase device on a 22kw charger.
@@erlendse There's no doubt about the potential risk. As the video I posted shows, this has been well thought through with new regs & for protection in the chargers mandated. Is more required?
"Grounded Electricians" (Well, duh!) "Big Scam Solar" (They had better be good!) "Glow Lightly" (Huxley would be proud.) "Adam and EV" (I believe they perform installations in the nude.)
Just dump EVs and go Hydrogen fuel cell cars. Fuel stations can be upgraded easier to allow Hydrogen fuel storage and takes about the same time to fill up has petrol and diesel. No more crap with charging and charging prices also those like myself with a loop in and out tncs supply dont have to pay for a new cable to be fitted to manage a charger. Stupid British government going the wrong direction as usual
Problem is the EV drivers will be paying half for their energy as they can just pick it up off of the household connection off peak for a few pennies a kWh
@@johnny71c You mean Toyota doesn't seem to think so? I understand that making green hydrogen with electricity is far less efficient than just putting that electricity straight into a battery sadly. Hydrogen has its own issues too.
Batteries - Ban only applies to houses 200 square meters or under? That's nearly all of them then including my own, with batteries already installed up in my loft. ☹️
@@efixx The words used are "must not" which in government speak is a prohibition. Its a pity they didn't decide this LONG before now. My batteries (and solar panels) were installed by a reputable MCS company two years ago. Now at 67 years old this has given me something more to worry about as I get ever older. What happens if they ever need to be replaced for some reason? The inverter is also up there, but screwed to the partition brick wall.
@@shaunhw Replacement is a particular activity. Although it may not prove to be the case for this once all the details come out, you may find that you are allowed to replace a failed battery with a similarly spec'd one installed into the same location, ie grandfathered in one the prior standard.
So are councils going to turn areas outside a house into reserved parking zones? Not much point cutting slots in the pavement if other cars are parked there. I live in France and the funniest company name I found was SodIFart.
I wish Tesla focused more on destination chargers. This is needed absolutely necessary if we want people that don't have power points at their home e.g apartments. I think Tesla will start putting some priority into it this next year or so.
The guy who died at the hospital raised a cherry picker whilst looking over the edge of the basket. He trapped himself between a steel beam and the cherry picker. How is this NG baileys fault. Surely as a trained cherry picker operator you should know better?
He did what!?
Pretty sure the HSE are in a better position to rule on this, as opposed you. The HSE state:
A Health and Safety Executive (HSE) investigation found NG Bailey Limited, the lead contractor for the project, had failed to consider overhead obstructions, especially during the transit of MEWPs on site. The assessments in place did not consider these risks despite HSE and industry guidance highlighting them and the available control measures.
HSE guidance states it is important that those responsible for selecting, specifying and managing MEWPs on site understand the risks associated with the use of a MEWP so they can advise on the precautions required to eliminate or control those risks.
I suspect they hadn't done some paperwork eg a risk assesment
Your workers are never going to stop injuring themselves, however if you don't put on paper that they should wear a nappy and get their signatures of approval you are liable when they don't and shit the pram. The paperwork isn't about making any site safe or death free. Its about keeping the blame on the lowest man.
You can't stop the determined idiot
Not only use Wi-Fi or Ethernet, but ensure the firmware can be updated to ensure continued support for current security protocols and certificates.
Good point. 👍
You cant software upgrade to newer protocols in many cases
And certificates are not required.
The loss of mobile data is just the opening act. Wait until the vendors behind many 'smart' chargers decide they don't want to support their older products ie too old or 'change of company focus' or acquisition or simple bankruptcy and the 'cloud' server that provides much of the 'smarts' ceases to be available. Entire fleets of 'smart' chargers will go dumb overnight. It's going to be tough on installers when the first big one fails - as the installer probably will be the first one the customer calls when their EV charger stops talking to their phone and the customer isn't going to take it well when the installer says 'nothing I can do'.
@@MatthewGeierThis is already happening with MyEnergi. Zappi v2 is already no longer getting features like Zappi v2.1, and they already did this with Zappi v1. Several issues and features promised by Dr. Chris (CTO) never materialise due to priorities. I won't install them anymore unless explicitly requested because it feels to me like they won't support the product for a long term - customers will expect the device to remain fully functional and supported for 10+ years like many other fixed appliances. I want to like them, but I don't trust MyEnergi.
So I can't sell my old power tools if I upgrade at a boot sale because someone left their tools in the van overnight and they got stolen. Next, we'll be banning selling phones, bicycles and all sorts of commonly stolen items.
You like buying stolen tools then? Bad for you I guess.
A few bad apples spoil the barrel...
And soon enough you'll only be able to buy anything from big 'authorised' sellers (ie. Amazon and eBay) - who, of course, collect VAT while simultaneously wriggling out of their responsibilities as retailers and billions of pounds of other taxes they should be obliged to pay, but don't.
Who is going to police this? the same people that cant or wont investigate the theft in the first place.
What about Ebay or FB marketplace and others?
Are we going TRY to ban those as well?
@@neilblack5924 Like you say it is stupid. There are no police available to do the essentials (and we live near Croydon) and to think they might be wasting their time at boot sales looking for a 1 in 1000 chance of nabbing someone is a joke. I even saw a video on UA-cam recently when a guy's camera equipment was stolen and was being sold at cash converters. The police told him to buy it from there 1st and then make a complaint.
The whole government point of being greener like with the push to EV's, becomes senseless if working tools have to be skipped as you can't sell them on.
Councils are the last people to trust with oversight of EV chargers - the planning system should be simplified to encourage commercial organisations to provide charging solutions directly.
Interesting points. 👍
Because commercial organizations always have our best interests in mind , like water , railways , care homes , leccy etc .
@@MyKharli no - because they will compete and innovate to provide new ways to charge.
@@chrispenn715 like they innovated with water, rail, care homes…
I am not sure that I could comply with the new standards in my 2 bed terraced house. I have a 10kWh system mounted directly to the gable wall in the loft, no floor load so no risk of premature collapse. I am not sure I have a location outside that is more that 1m from a window.
It is a tricky situation. 😬
Banning the sale of tools at car boot sales is stupid, people can legitimately sell second hand tools! Far more emphasis should be placed on getting the police to actually do their jobs and investigate tool thefts properly in the first place, how about the police actually question and investigate the people at car boots who are selling a suspicious amount of tools…?
The battery changes though somewhat sensible from a fire standpoint in attics (ie a fire due to something other than the battery). The outdoor requirement of not within 1m of ventilation, windows, doors etc is practically untenable as many are vents are every 1.2 meters. Short of having an outbuilding especially for the batteries this prevents installation in most terraced homes with ventilated floor voids and even semi detached.
There's definitely some challenges associated with it. 😬
Are you referring to the airbrick type vents? If they are underneath the system I imagine that’s ok?
It's a curly one but one that needs to be worked out. Lithium batteries are nasty if they are burnt and you don't want to breathe in the results. Particular types of sodium ion batteries fall into the same bundle so even if you hop on the sodium bandwagon it's not a guarantee of a solution. Buyer beware.
Stringing 240v wires across the sidewalk - what could go wrong? Nothing can be allowed to stand in the way of EV-ification. Let's throw the entire electrical code in the trash!
With growing evidence of the long term pollution and disposal and big car companies getting cold feet you would think the government would take note of the impending problems with e v cars
@@tiepup you must live in a nice place
My favourite small business name has always been PC Galore. A computer and electronics shop that’s been in Vancouver for about 30 years.
the "experts" are paid for by the petroleum industry ?
Ex = A has been. Spurt = A drip under pressure.
it was money rag from the start! Zappi EV charger costs 500 but installers ask for 1200, which means 700 for 30 - 60 min installation job 😆😆
For "Across the pavement" cable management, I recommend adding a Chargehanger
I never thought about something like this. The cables across pavements remedy has always been a non-starter due to health and safety issues it would cause. But most of this relies on you being able to park outside your house in the 1st place.
I remember many years ago, seeing a shop in Lincolnshire for an electrical contractor called "AC Burns". At least it's not RF, I thought.
Should a passion fruit be grown close to a cactus? 😉
So, the people who run boot sales will be responsible for the items being sold? Its an unreasonable thing to expect, killing off boot sales. No one will risk running a boot sale event because you can't monitor the contents of every sellers boot. This would completely close our century old club because we couldn't take the risk of one person selling a stolen item, even though the only thing that keeps our club going is the money raised from an annual boot sale. There are laws that make organisers responsible now, if known to be complicit in the thefts, but extending the laws like this would destroy almost all boot sales.
NG Bailey......Years ago and I mean years ago they were known in the industry as No Good Bailey.
It's not good is it?
Shocking news
There's a trend of smart chargers becoming dumb. My EO Mini Pro is no longer smart as EO terminated the contract with their smart provider after 5 years and say we shouldn't have any expectation for a charger to work for that long. It's now just a dumb charger and they refuse to do anything about it saying their legal advice told them they don't have to.
That's the thing though, customers will expect it to be supported and work as expected for 10+ years like any fixed appliance. These companies will disappear as installers lose faith in their ability to maintain quality product support.
Great news weekly Joe as always. 👍
Why are you repeating MyEnergi's blatant snipe at competitor Ohme, whilst not reporting on Myenergi's terrible behaviour towards installers by- badmouthing them to their customers, and denying warranty coverage by falsely claiming bad installation? See latest Electrician's Podcast for details
Myenergi pays out a lot of sponsorship money. They started out as a really innovative company, not sure what went wrong.
Watch this space, right of reply and all that.
Myenergi are coming to my house next week because I had a harvi fail, and they realised (from pictures they asked me to send to them) that the installer had used a "type AC" RCD device in the auxiliary fuse box added for my zappi. They are sending someone out to swap it out for the correct one at no charge. They didn't make any comment about the original installer, who I found from their web site. I've never been able to fault their service to me as a customer and end user.
The ownership and possession of power tools is not an offense so to ban sales wherever it may be is only hurting the innocent when it is the tradies etc who fail to clearly mark their tools or record serial numbers. A better solution would be a range of tradie only tools in a colour that is instantly recognised as trade only.
I was going to call my business 'Shocking Treatment' but I decided 'Current Affairs' was more sexy.
I am going for flybrid. 2 tonnes of spinning metal is much less of a fire risk than any battery.
🌵👏👏👏😂
This is a hard week but I'm pretty sure it's Cactus & Punning 🤞
I'm pretty sure passion fruit is two words... 😜
Great guesses Marcus, you were so close to winning last week!
So my battery installation was located in the loft space prior to this new guidance. What implications does this have for insurance, and for future electrical tests? Am I stuck now with a non-compliant system? Is it worth moving the batteries, and how practical is that? What do you think? (10kWh huawei setup)
Talk to your insurance company.
An interesting question. Insurance companies normally calculate their premiums based on the level of risk involved. And the level of risk remains unchanged by the publication of the guidance.
So theoretically there shouldn't be any change in the premium, unless the insurance company did not calculate the level of risk correctly involved into policies taken out before the guidance was issued.
And compliance is not the correct word here.
Compliance is about conforming to a legal obligation.
The document at the moment is a standard and is not legally mandated.
So you can say your system doesn't conform to the guidance or standard but it is incorrect to say it is not compliant to the guidance.
We have got to be careful, we don't everyone saying they are not compliant when of course no one is compliant because it is not possible to be compliant to a standard or guideline.
Are you stuck with a non compliant system?
Your system is not non-compliant.
Are you stuck with it?
Depends on what you really mean by that.
You are not legally obliged to change your system.
It is up to you whether you do so.
It is down to you to assess the level of risk involved and decide if you want to reduce that risk. No one is forcing you.
There are measures you can take to lower the risk without moving the batteries out of the loft.
Then the question is, do those measures reduce the risk down to an acceptable level?
A question for you might be, if you come to sell your house and the batteries are in the loft. Does that makes your property unsellable? Will you have to lower the selling price of the house to prevent prospective buyers turning away?
@@deang5622 The document under consideration is not a Standard yet. In PAS 63100:2024, it actually says in it’s foreword that: “This PAS is not to be regarded as a British Standard. It will be withdrawn in the event it is superseded by a British Standard. ” It is a draft specification, and it then goes on to say: “The PAS process enables a specification to be rapidly developed in order to fulfil an immediate need in industry. A PAS can be considered for further development as a British Standard, or constitute part of the UK input into the development of a European or International Standard. ”
‘Doubling down’ and ‘passion fruit’ 😂👍🏻 if it’s 🌵 I’ll be so annoyed 😂
Cactus & passionfriut ?!
Great guesses, listen to next week show to see if you're right! 💪
License the sale of battery angle grinder's.this will help stop the theft of bicycles, motorcycle's, catalytic converters etc
Cactus 🌵 has to be one.
Passionfruit (50/50 on it)
Regarding power tools being resold at car boot sales, that's just another excuse for more government control and we need less. It's also another reason to have digital currency, something else we don't need.
A tad confused if anyone can clarify.... Are they saying amphenol connectors and NH fuseholders are OK..... or not ? I have both. Thanks.
Why do you need all these security devices in these EV chargers. I worry about the batteries in my loft for fires and what would happen if those EV controllers were hacked and the BMS discharged all at once or discharged to the National grid at the same time.
Who the fuck listens to this at the wholesale counter?
We've got wholesalers who play the news in branch.
Our council won’t allow a gully..
Yet...
@@efixx trouble is they don't seem interested at all, they said as we have lamppost chargers we not allowing pavement gullies :(
Cactus and punning are the two words
If the EV charger has PEN fault detection and cut-off, like they are required to now, why does it matter if you are able to touch metalwork on a different distribution system at the same time as the vehicle?
There's more than PEN faults at play. It's likely going to come down to exotic issues revolving around how the LV network is setup over there as well as the primary side of the distribution transformer (often 11kV) and associated earthing. Yes, this would be an edge case, ie someone having to get between two items on separate transformers but it's already something that is paid close attention to with other items in the public space so EVs should be treated no differently.
I’d recommend a read of the code of practice edition 5. As far as I’m aware the need for simultaneous contact assessment only arises when providing the charger with a TT earthing arrangement. PEN fault protection is only required where the charger is connected to a TNCS or TNS (where PME conditions will likely apply now or in the future)
@@stranglxPEN fault is built into all the ones we make and service at work, it used to be a separate product but simpler to just build it in and configure when needed cost wise I guess.
@@SlyerFox666 yeah it makes sense, there are plenty on the market that don’t have PEN fault, Tesla chargers are a notable one.
@@retrozmachine1189I don't think the potential difference between two different earths on two electrical installations would be considered "exotic". Basic perhaps but not exotic.
Phase to sneak in? "Doubling down".
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Joe what happened to the chin whiskers 😂
Looked too much like a cactus... 😅
It's springtime, the winter plumage had to go! 😃
My next charger will not be a Zappi. Blatant lies from so called customer service. No support just hard sales for maximum profit.
We're prepping a story on this...
You are right. Sunak is a big prick,,, I mean cactus emoji.
Cactus emoji and Passion fruit 👍🏻
Passion fruit, and cactus.
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Please explain what are the actual dangers! "Over here" in continental europe everything is on three phases. Even the room I currently sit in has two phases (the lights and the outlet underneath the light switch are on a different phase than the outlets, redundancy) - No issues! All wallboxes >3.8kW are on three phases. It's completely normal, it's not specifically dangerous. Many of the public charging points, even ones next to each other are on different transformers, no problems with that as well. What should cause the claimed danger, I don't understand. You still leave me puzzled what could possibly be the problem. None of our Charging points (11kW, 22kW, etc.) has any such issues. I wonder what could be the fundamental difference in britain or what it specifically is that I don't understand about the electrical system in the UK.
It's all about the earthing arrangements and the risks with equipment outdoors. 👍
@@efixx Thank you, but what exactly? As far as I know, BS-Standards regarding PE and Earthing are harmonized with EN-Standards just like DIN/VDE over here. Code has strict demands on PE and earthing. Every charging point is tested according to the standards, just like any other outlet or any other install. Testing PE, Earthing and the RCD is a significant part of this. So if none of the PEs is faulty and it's all compliant, where's the problem? Again, considering that most of the cars are coated in non-conductive material anyways, good luck in finding a conductive spot on the outside of a BEV. Sorry for being so insisting, but it is realy bugging me.
@@Cymaphoreover here we won’t let people use hairdryers in bathrooms, I wouldn’t worry to much, I’m sure some people at the IET are trying to make a moat for some pals in industry to rip us off more. No doubt a brexit benefit.
@@Cymaphore yes I would like a more detailed explanation, how much of a risk is it? Perhaps it’s something to do with the inevitable non compliant installations over here, or just part of the anti ev brigade spreading yet more disinformation.
There's likely more exotic (even though a certain person doesn't like me using the word for some reason) things at play here that'd require more understanding of how low voltage supply is setup over there than I have. It's more than simple earth potential difference or even PEN faults even though they are certainly issues. Normally everything you can touch that has an electrical supply in the public space is fed by the same distribution transformer and in turn that transformer is fed by an even wider area medium voltage supply. The placement of things connected to the electrical supply in the public space has this taken into consideration so that you can't get yourself across items on different transformers to keep things safe. Ultimately the same should be done with EVs.
cactus and passionfruit are the 2 words
cactus and passion, still no goody bag😒
Thanks for your patience Ed, we've not forgotten you bud! 😬
Punning and passionfruit
🌵Cactus and 🥝Passion fruit (I know thats a kiwi but there is no passion fruit emoji 🤣)
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I think you looked good with the beard Joe
So do I not look good now? 🤔😂👍
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Sorry its not to do with the video guys.
But maybe you van help.
What should I do if my landlord has had a plumber in a year ago putting a new bathroom in and changing and adding to the circuit but didn't get a part P and ia now lying and saying it didn't need one. Asking as I found live cables.
We informed the council and they didn't seem bothered
@ef7480 new shaver ,4 down lights a fan wired In 1.5 3 core and earth with a fan isolator fitted to.isolate 4inch fan with over run.
A centre light placed on a jb then additional 1.5 mm cable run to.4x ip.rated down lights.
Shaver point wired to light switch for a permanent live.
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cactus emoji for the two words?
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I've had the 'pleasure' of working for n g bailey's in the past, 1 of the worse companies I've jumped on with in almost 30yrs, surprised there hasn't been any more fatalities
That's a real shame. 😔
🌵It's me
Woah! Rishi in the house! 🤯😂
Cactus 🤠 & punning 🆒️
Passion fruit emoji?
My understanding is that EV chargers have sophisticated protection built in to detect fault conditions that could present a dangerous voltage to the vehicle body, as well as leakage current trip systems. Is the current level of protection deemed 'inadequate' for on street charging?
A video on this channel 3 years ago explained these mechanisms in detail.
ua-cam.com/video/p562IZ1nOSM/v-deo.html
Seems to be all about ground potential. And the car is connected directly to ground if I am not mistaken.
Something about joining ground and neutral, and houses possibly having different potential due to the sharing of ground and neutral wire.
It's due to on street parking chargers being single phase. Typically houses are fed via a ring main with every 4th house on the same phase as the 1st. Lamp posts are the same. It allows for balancing of the load but also if the neutral/main ground path becomes compromised you have uneven loading across the main. In turn leads to a far larger potential being 3 phase and 2 separate single phase devices offering protection unlike one 3 phase device on a 22kw charger.
@@erlendse There's no doubt about the potential risk. As the video I posted shows, this has been well thought through with new regs & for protection in the chargers mandated. Is more required?
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Rishi and emoji are the two words.
"Grounded Electricians" (Well, duh!)
"Big Scam Solar" (They had better be good!)
"Glow Lightly" (Huxley would be proud.)
"Adam and EV" (I believe they perform installations in the nude.)
Took me a second to realise why he said to put a 🌵 cactus in the comments because he's a prick 😂
Nope.
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new survey. only 18 % want ev.. sales down by 30%
@@tiepup haa haaa haaaaaaa
@@tiepup haaa haaaa haaaa fart in the wind
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Scrap all EVs.
No.
Just dump EVs and go Hydrogen fuel cell cars. Fuel stations can be upgraded easier to allow Hydrogen fuel storage and takes about the same time to fill up has petrol and diesel. No more crap with charging and charging prices also those like myself with a loop in and out tncs supply dont have to pay for a new cable to be fitted to manage a charger.
Stupid British government going the wrong direction as usual
Not convinced hydrogen's the way forward...
Problem is the EV drivers will be paying half for their energy as they can just pick it up off of the household connection off peak for a few pennies a kWh
@@efixx Japan does not seem to think so
@@johnny71c
You mean Toyota doesn't seem to think so? I understand that making green hydrogen with electricity is far less efficient than just putting that electricity straight into a battery sadly. Hydrogen has its own issues too.
@@edc1569 why is this a problem?
Were Myenergi completely transparent with their customers regarding the Zappi chargers built in RCD not being compliant with BS7671?
no they swiftly buried it and deleted the data sheets
@@jpelectrical7677 I suppose you have any evidence at all? I happen to be building a case.
Nope. They don't show signs of good faith in many other areas too, like long term product support. I don't trust them as a company.
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Cactus and passionfruit, great news as always OG Joe 👏
Thanks Sean, make sure you're listening next week to see if you're right! 😁
Ethernet for futureproofing? *laughs in 10Base2*
Batteries - Ban only applies to houses 200 square meters or under? That's nearly all of them then including my own, with batteries already installed up in my loft. ☹️
It's not really a ban, it's safety guidance.
@@efixx
The words used are "must not" which in government speak is a prohibition. Its a pity they didn't decide this LONG before now. My batteries (and solar panels) were installed by a reputable MCS company two years ago. Now at 67 years old this has given me something more to worry about as I get ever older. What happens if they ever need to be replaced for some reason? The inverter is also up there, but screwed to the partition brick wall.
@@shaunhw Replacement is a particular activity. Although it may not prove to be the case for this once all the details come out, you may find that you are allowed to replace a failed battery with a similarly spec'd one installed into the same location, ie grandfathered in one the prior standard.
My battery charger is dumb. I don’t care it’s over 60 years old and still going strong. No electronics to go wrong or obsolete
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Rishi? That you bro?
So are councils going to turn areas outside a house into reserved parking zones? Not much point cutting slots in the pavement if other cars are parked there.
I live in France and the funniest company name I found was SodIFart.
I wish Tesla focused more on destination chargers. This is needed absolutely necessary if we want people that don't have power points at their home e.g apartments. I think Tesla will start putting some priority into it this next year or so.
What happened to the beard Joe ?🧔♂
I've shed my winter plumage! 😂