Iofi and Roberu talk about languages and foreign jokes
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2020
- Turn on CC because I had a huge brainfart.
I never actually noticed how good Roberu is at keeping a conversation going until now. Dude can always talk. This would've been two separate videos but dude segways so cleanly that it feels wrong to split it. I already cut this video poorly enough as it is.
Roberu Yukoku (Red):
Source • 【雑談コラボ】ホロライブIDからのお客様！イ...
Channel / @yukokuroberu
Iofi (Green):
Channel / @airaniiofifteen
Originally aired July 13 2020. Expect nothing but completely inaccurate translations from me, usually. - Ігри
![Roberu's Camel With Iofi [Holostars+Hololive ID][ENG Sub]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VRabKZLmLL0/mqdefault.jpg)
![Roberu's Camel With Iofi [Holostars+Hololive ID][ENG Sub]](/img/tr.png)
![The Boys Talk About Their Outfits and Matching Weapons [ENG SUB/HOLOSTARS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/X1FedupBHus/mqdefault.jpg)
![[EngSub] Are you winning,son? 【Pikamee/Roberu】](/img/n.gif)
I don't know why but everytime HololiveID collab with Holostar it's always gold for me
Agreed
Wah
They always seem to have nice chemistry
Kudos to our son Roberu for being supportive, really this guy is underrated and deserves more attention.
The ID girls care more for the Stars than the JP girls it seems, those collabs must help them earn more
I think the winning son meme is about dads who's just trying to bond with his son, but not really understand much about what his son is playing. It's like 'dad trying to be hip' kind of meme?
Yes, that's basically it, cause parents (usually dad) don't really like a son that play a lot (that's normal though), basically it's a heartwarming meme about somewhere in this world, there is actually dad like that who actually try to know his son hobbies (usually playing games), so as long as it's game, win is basically the most great status for the son.
It's more a stigmata about dad usually don't wanna know about the games that their kids played,,,, cause parents usually always have bad impression about games (which I can not blame them though), and that's why it's the meme try to tell that the dad try to get closer with his son.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
@@TheMattVis The original "are you winning son" meme was of a dad walking into his son's room, asking "are ya winning, son?" The son was playing an anime hentai game with a VR headset masturbating with a sex toy. It's why Iofi reacted the way she did. It gained traction again years later and has become a more general wholesome meme, but I think the widespread understanding of it is still generally the hentai one.
The original comes from an old movie (not super old, but not recent) in which the dad is disappointed in his son playing some nerdy game instead of doing something more cool and ambitious, and hopes that at least his son is winning at it. So it was more like "**disapproving sigh** are you (at least) winning, son?" I can't for the life of me remember the name of the movie that scene comes from though, and now if you search for it all you get is memes. And it was only a small, 5 second joke that had nothing to do with the rest of the story. But the dad wasn't trying to be "hip," he thought what his son was doing was embarrassing. He'd probably feel the same way if his son was watching vtubers.
i dont know if its good or bad that we have come to the point where can actually explain memes. I mean they always had a sort of lore to it but it was just weird when someone tried to explain it.
the meme is changed to like "are you winning in life" kind of.
She kinda reminds me of the dunning-kruger effect, she's hyper capable for sure but she feels like she's not at a normal level yet
Yep. From what I see, most of ID Vtubers aren't really good at thinking on their feet when compared to JP Vtubers...
Like, there seems to be a gap there...
She is very knowledgeable on many things though, yes.
It's also a cultural thing. In Japan if someone says you're good at something it's seen as very arrogant and off putting to agree even if you do, it's expected that you'd downplay your skill.
oh its expected o.o i will keep that in mind if i ever go over there
@@icebalm well, that's just.. everywhere in Asia, dude.
@teebles
Dunning-Kruger goes both ways.
8:10 TFW you're the unlucky soul who has to explain a very specific meme to a person so far removed from your own meme culture.
I'm surprised she knew memes that much, people have their priorities huh?
@@ttchme9816 ah because almost all people in Indonesia like meme(especially around 16-30 years old)
@@ttchme9816 but, it's not the true meaning behinds that meme
@@destructionswordspet yeah but as long as people are happy it's ok
@@destructionswordspet bruh, try explained that to ur grandma. You'd be agree to anything what ur grandma assuming just to end it quick.
2:16 roberu mouth movement are amazing it sync up with his word
The guy must be gesticulating like crazy.
Ussually, models that more resemble a real person are more likely to track better.
3:33 - 3:46 is amazing as well, there is a little trouble with "O/No" mouth but aside that almost everything is amazing.
@@TheMattVis with a very basic understanding of how that kind of software works, that's super impressive
Plenty of vTubers do actually. Its just for some reason the person handling the hololive settings for the animations doesnt handle the mouth animations properly at all. They dog the settings for it every time and idk how.
2:47 our son is caught off guard so hard he turned into Micky mouse
as an indonesian who always watch anime with eng subs and jpn audio for this past 6 years, im gonna say this: "Not everyone can learn english and japanese that way."
I mean i can listen/watch to english and japanese video without any problem, but i still can't even speak english/japanese properly,
biasanya sih klo niat belajar biasanya bisa
@@unrefxenon8003 bisanya sih bisa. tapi kurang maksimal. dan gw yakin iofi pasti nggak cuma belajar dari nonton kartun.
In the end only studying and practicing can make you learn.
@@kirainfo Apa lo bilang. KARTUN.
@@user-wj6ss7kd4s yes
This is a good example on how Japanese perceive jokes, sometimes they misunderstood and thinks it meant something negative. Just like he thinks he is a "son" but here it ended in a joke. But some stuff can get really serious that is why us foreign fans need to really watch our words around our favorite vtuber.
Except for Coco she gets it
I don't think Overseas will go out of their way to say something negative, we are just their for the ride not to get in fights.
@@ferchango6359 that is true but some of us will say negative stuff for attention and such
@@ferchango6359 I remember there some misunderstanding in the twitter when some people praising a japanese artist with some sentence like "I would kill for that child" and the artist thought that that art really make that people want to kill other people, so they deleted it. We know that it's a joke, but the artist don't know it because of language barrier.
@@OrayHj Shit. I am reminded of that episode in Case Closed/Detective Conan where a woman committed suicide because of a note given to her by a foreigner. Thing is, she can only speak Japanese(obviously). The note said: "Shine." But the lady interpreted it as "Shi-Ne" which if I call recall correctly meant "Die."
Poor communication kills.
@@oompalumpus699 DUDEEE that literally my favorite chapter/arc of detective conan
it's kinda sad tho the guy just want to compliment her because he fall in love but the language barrier make a huge misunderstanding :((
He's wholesome af lmao
Who the hell made Roberu's Live2D model?? Because it's amazing! The lip syncs so well with his speech.
i think it could also be software, or his irl face is well read by the facial recognition.
@@elfireii328 All of Hololive uses the same software
@@akibzuhairsamin2284 I think different vtubers use different versions because there are differences in the quality and expressiveness.
@@qtheplatypus all Holo production VTuber use the same software
@@SayMyName504 same software yes. But that might not mean the same version. You can notice it when the talents get a new body, the body often has more capabilities then the old one.
Now I wonder if Roberu ask Coco about the meme, will she able to explain the meaning of it to him properly since how complex is the meme to them
yes she can, Coco is more experienced on Meme world after all ~
Coco's skill on teaching stuff is already second to Choco....
besides 'Winning Son' is from western meme, rather than iofi who getting used on Indonesian meme, asking Coco about western meme actually correct choice...
but that if she really teach you and not just 'trolling' you instead ~
That all depends on whether he can actually ask her the question without getting flak from others
I don't think so, Coco has been living in Japan too long she probably isn't aware of all the new memes. Last Meme Review she didn't know about Filthy Frank's "it's time to stop." Which is prevalent in meme culture. She knows a lot, but VERY new and complex memes I don't think she'd be capable of explaining all the intricacies.
I'm wondering she knows about Loss. If she does, she probably has a lot more knowledge that I give he credit for, but she doesn't she probably doesn't know anything but surface knowledge.
@@MrFreakHeavy If she doesn't know loss I'm going to be severely disappointed
@@MrFreakHeavy I had never heard of the "time to stop" meme before that Coco review, but "Are you winning son?" is basically everywhere.
I think you might be assuming to much about how prevalent the former is outside of specific internet subculture.
2:13 = An TL note and not just a cry for help. Iofi genuinely misremembers the word for "interest" and mixes it up with "hobby" since they sound similar in Japanese and the meanings are close enough as well. So it's not a freudian slip. She also happens to mispronounce "interest" as well.
3:14 - Roberu trails off pretty hard here, which is the reason why Iofi gets super confused. To prevent the screen being filled with ellipses and like three different slightly related thoughts, I put in that garbage instead.
3:25) Dialects and accents aren't actually interchangeable in a linguistic sense. Compare how Scots talk and pretty much how every other englishperson speak. That's a dialect. In reality though, nobody actually cares except language nerds.
5:38: Roberu actually says 微温 here but I felt using any of the any conventional definitions kind would make Roberu seem a lot more negative than he's saying. Not totally satisfied with what I went with either though.
3:25 Cockney accent and cockney dialect is a more easy way to describe it,... you can almost understand if one is speaking english with a cockney accent, but even if someone is speaking english with recieved pronunciation (proper english) but in a cockney dialect it is almost nigh intelligible unless you know atleast the memes behind it. It’s just like the internet slang, is almost a dialect, with Japanese vtubers trying hard to understand “are you winning, son?”, “FBI, open up”, “yeet” and “pog”.
She want to say Syumi and kyoumi mixed up became syomi
Funny, my textbook also uses Scottish as an example.
The sentence *You don’t know what you’re talking about* will
generally “look” the same whether spoken with an American accent or a Scottish
accent. Both speakers will be using forms associated with Standard English, but have
different pronunciations. However, this next sentence - *Ye dinnae ken whit yer
haverin’ aboot* - has the same meaning as the first, but has been written out in an
approximation of what a person who speaks one dialect of Scottish English might say.
There are differences in pronunciation (e.g. whit, aboot), but there are also examples of
different vocabulary (e.g. ken, haverin’) and a different grammatical form (dinnae).
5:38
そっからいけ、俺いけるヴィジョンが見えへんねんまだ
それで英語を～なんか勉強できるヴィジョンが見えへんくてぇ
He said "vision".
He just couldn't speak clearly.
Hey now, not every person in Scotland speaks like they do in American cartoons 😅
Are you winning son?
YEAAAAAH
I AM ROBERU YUKOKU. SONOVA-
wait wrong person
always has been, dad
Always has been 🔫 dad!
There are two kinds of people
Everytime Hololive id collab with holostar you know it's gonna be a blast ❤️😂
First time seeing Roberu. But I am now interested.
Also, I like their conversation about learning languages. Very inspiring. I just started learning Japanese two months ago and indeed, Kanji is hard.
Let's do our best. I also start to learn JP since 4 months ago.
And here I am, I can still get the gist and phrases of their sayings of it during stream because they're talking too fast. Lol.
Just remember that kanji ain't a race, you don't need to know all or even close to most of the 2400-ish main ones before being able to read stuff.
They're like words, you'll 100% need a lot of them and should not neglect them, but if you focus on the common stuff and work from there, you'll be surprised how much text you'll be able to read before encountering the more specific ones you don't know yet.
Learning English to watch anime that doesn't get translated to your first language gang
"I wanted to watch unsubbed anime", so basically like a lot of people then that want to learn Japanese lol.
Is that really the definition of the winning son meme? Its even confusing looking at the source.
Yes and no. Iofi doesn't really know how to explain it, so she only does a 1:1 translation. The meme itself isn't really anything special. It just perpetuated from a comic and the phrase itself is catchy and ridiculous so people say it a lot.
The origins of the meme was something that would literally happen to people. A lot of times parents become very removed from the world of entertainment that their children inhabit, especially in the teenage years, but they still recognize games when they seem them. A good natured father that wants to check in on his son would ask him if he's winning, because he can obviously see that his son is playing a game, which usually has winners and losers. This cultural, cross generational saying has persisted in the western zeitgeist for so long that it finally became a comic that was extremely relatable to most people.
I've personally had this happen to me three times by two different fathers while playing D&D and once while playing World of Warcraft.
@@NeflewitzInc It used to happen with my parents all the time. Which was always awkward, because I didn't play a lot of competitive games, so the concept of winning and losing wasn't exactly relevant.
@@Zeik56 just like getting asked if youre winning but youre grinding lvl99 fishing in runescape
@@NeflewitzInc two fathers? thats way more impressive
Saw the comment "Nihongo Jouzo moment" and promptly cracked up.
Their chemistry is amazing, I could listen to them for hours man.
This was great thanks for the translations.
I love the accented touches like "innit" for his accent
This is actually a well done translation. Subbed for more contents. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the TL
I so relate to the "I learned Japanese and English by watching anime in Japanese audio with English subs". Can't speak Japanese nearly as well as Iofi tho :')
Most SEA citizens has flexible tongue which allow us to imitate other languange/accent easily
how long she learn by watching?
I've been sleeping on iofi. She's so precious.
Classic work with how you went out of your way to "localize" the translation into more street-level English. Appreciate the effort my mans.
Top clip right here.
Our son is growing up so fast, learning new things every day.
This roberu guy is chill af. Subbed.
This was fun! Roberu sure can make any interview to be funny.
I NEED MORE OF THIS
I really love Roberu's collabs, he's very good at conversation. Wonder how long Iofi had to study Japanese to get to her skill level.
Whoa? His mouth animation looks amazing!
Thank you
Iofi just needs to learn Chinese, Spanish, and Russian and she'll be ready for the title of Ms.Worldwide
Iofi said that she wants to learn spanish as well after she learn korean
Are you winning, roberu-san
Didnt the "Are you winning, son?" spawn from the disappointed father (son, I am disappoint)?
Your name's goes perfectly with your comment. If only your profile picture is Hercules....
I think they're separate.
Explaining what a meme is is the most hardest thing to do when explaining western culture
Yeah, it’s nearly impossible to translate memes as it requires a good understanding of the overall culture as well as any sub cultural references the meme may contain. Hell, there’s memes that I personally don’t understand at first and have to look up
Even urban dictionary cant help with that
Indonesia also has 700++ languange (well mostly only 6-7 is widely used in certain area). Iofi pretty good at speaking sundanese so that actually 6 for her
Nah. She said she just understand sundanese cause her friend is sundanese, but in certain stream she said she cant talk sundanese, not even barely.
we need iofi and coco collab doing meme review
7:25 to 7:50 BIG BRUH
This Roberu guy is cool. :)
Well it looks like i need to adopt him (is going to subscribe to Roberu)
27, huh? Perfect for a certain wannabe pirate captain.
Actually, most of the Hololive members are 27
@@thewhatever993 I'm not really sure that most are, but I could at least see some being 27
What are you talking about Marine is just in her 2nd season of being 17. XD
@@thewhatever993 Nope, Marine is widely acknowledged as one of the oldest members. This has been confirmed by the fans and the girls themselves.
5:18
IOFI! MY MAAAAN~ I'm studying for the same reason too..😂
If she can learn it from Anime alone, and taught every language to herself, she must be some kind of language prodigy/genius.
99% of people couldnt do it that way. Also most japanese people actually preach that you shouldnt learn from animes, because it is (in most cases) not he type of japanese you speak in the real world. So Im curious how she learned "normal" japanese from it.
People really overstate the don't learn from anime thing. It's mostly fine as long as you're very aware that everyone in anime speaks extremely casually or extremely formally and that they never adjust they way the speak according to the situation. Since if you're learning from anime, you're probably learning via phrase collection so things like intonation don't matter much. Also obviously don't like, exclusively watch overly chuuni or shounen-y stuff.
But Iofi does admit in a different stream with someone else that she eventually switched over to watching medical dramas as her primary source of learning. Since there's a lot of vocab there to learn ontop of the more realistic intonation that normal actors have over seiyuu. And because dramas often reflect listening and responding to listening, which is something anime barely ever does despite it being a core part of Japanese.
@@anotherbadtranslator5019 Well thats good to know.
Still impressive as hell to just learn it from animes and shows and be that good from it. I mean she even has no problem understanding dialect...which as far as I can tell, even some japanese people have trouble sometimes fully understanding.
I wish I had that skill (of course she also put alot of effort in learning it, still...).
Tbh learning from anime/drama is much better than trash 'language learning apps' such as Duolingo
@@theodiscusgaming3909 Language learning apps run the full gamut of quality, so you just need to be aware of the good & bad ones. Apparently, duolingo is one of the worst.
Watch slice of life and you learn a lot.
Man i love roberu's laugh
HoloLive Vtubers rly inspire me to focus more on my Japanese studies.
It's so impressive how well most of'em speak Japanese in HoloLive ID&EN.
I rly relate to Kiara, cuz she also speaks German natively
Iofy so giggly. Must be nervous or tipsy or something.
I think that's just her personality. She's always like that. Even when alone in her own streams.
This lad just remind me of every kind of japanese host of tv podcast or some qna show.
These two has chemistry when they are talking with each other
Que agradable sujeto.
6:07 Obisa => Oh! Bisa
Bisa means can in Indonesian. So yeah, she was surprised that she can do it
when there's a steadily growing list of jp only games on the ol back log I wish all the jp anime I watch would eventually lead me to learn jp. admitedly I notice my reading speed improve because of subs
man... Roberu is so entertaining no matter what type of customers he had 😂
Ahh yes, people outside indonesia don't know we are here usually learn 3-4 languages. Bahasa daerah (local language), bahasa inggris (english), bahasa indonesia, japanese/ arabian/ germany language (optional)
And i forget mandarin too.
ah so iofi got fluent like that
seems like i wasn't the only person to do that
"The boys across the pond" that's the best way I've heard someone describe "overseas"
I love it
"Just where on earth did you learn it?"
Iofi: "Uh that's the thing I didn't learn from earth"
Thought Iofi was speaking Bahasa Indonesia at the start and got real confused and shocked when Roberu understood and responded there
5 language.....
I guess there's Mr/ms worldwide among us...
"Ms" because iofi "she"
*No lie here*
@@farizhayut3093 fair enough
I don't watch a lot of Nijisanji stuff but when I do, I'm always impressed by the models. Like Roberu's mouth movement for example.
Edit: Found out he isn't from nijisanji. My bad.
Dude's holostar, not niji
@@ohareza Ah sorry my bad. I did not know about that. I mostly see guy vtubers are from nijisanji.
@@ohareza it's funny a bunch of us started watching Vtubers with Hololive and a lot us didn't know a male division even existed for a while.
The word obisa, if it's supposed to be in Indonesian, I think is supposed to be written as oh, bisa (AKA, Oh, I do it!) I may be misinterpreting it but I'm pretty sure that's what Iofi meant.
Cafeteria in my soul
watching jp with eng sub to learn both
same
6:07 my son actually said O BISA
Where I live (Brazil), we speak portuguese, but a lot of people also know english, some also know spanish, I also learned a bit of japanese by watching anime and vtubers, in the end I'm fluent in English and portuguese, can read and understand spanish (speak a little) and also understand a little bit of japanese
very nice
Lofi: learns Japanese from anime
Literally every weeb: is it possible to learn this power
Its possible, but also watch some drama, dramas are more accurate to the normal Japanese. I learned English by watching movies lol.
so is he mastered english
Iofi is talented
I learned English with subtitles, but two languages at the same time is fucking crazy.
How did she learn Japanese AND English from watching anime, I genuinely can't even fathom how that's possible.
I wish Iofi had explained the joke to him (and maybe that people *also* seem to mean that Roberu is winning at life).
"27 already oji-san"
Oof.
Too bad Roberu, but when little kids start to call you oji-san, you know it's over.
We need a training arc when Roberu suddenly has a british accent. lol
are you winning soon?
Is this the "are you winning son" guy
Yes. He is *our* winning son.
understandable it's tier 3 after all
Our son is very smart! I believe in his English abilities! UCANDOIYT!
Being able to do the both of them is great? Feels like those two are the easiest to learn but sentence making kanji or something is pretty hard.
Edit: Seriously Kanji looks the same sometimes. '-') The strokes are too much.
i feel you man. hira/katakana are probably the easiest thing in japanese. im still trying to learn kanji, but man, there are just too many
kanji is something, alright. have you seen chinese characters?
they're another level of nightmare.
@@wienzard93 arent they just the same ? because kanji is from chinese ?
@@ReneeKy Kanji is adapted from Chinese's Hanzhi, but while they're written the same, their usage can differ a lot. "我" means "I" in Chinese/Mandarin, but the Kanji "我" in Japanese Kanji is barely used outside ' 我々" or "我が" in Japanese, which are ancient forms of "we" and "I". In modern writing/conversation, it's not something you'll often see. Nowadays, Japanese uses "私 (watashi)” for "I", which in Chinese means "private" or "privately".
To learn kanji you have to memorize and copy it until you are good at it, that how the schools in china do it.
i've never seen so many people so eager to have a son but ok
I noticed a pattern where people who are really good at speaking other languages usually learn it on their own
Roberu better son
Romanji pogchamp
Iofi's japanese sounds a lot like Aqua's voice.
Iofi can speak 5 languages? It should be 6 with Sundanese
Remind me how I learn English by reading Sao novels...
At 4:55 i think it should be orange, right?
2:02 does she accidentally say 일본 (ilbon, japan in korean) instead of 日本 (nihon) ?
I mean southeast asian especially Indonesia is a country who have trilingual the most..
obisa in Indonesia write oh bisa
4:09 excuse me *WHAT!?*
you can do it too! :)
@@_milkywayicecream4990 Thanks, 'though I already know Kana, but unlike her I took the *dreaded* Kanji route XD
Nah, she tried to be humble. She has passed N2.
Ehh, what
Many ppl in Indonesian good at Learn Language.. But just lack of Facility or Money for make it properly ..
Well , I know Indonesian, Japanese (except Kanji), English , Vietnamese, Chinese (Mandarin),
Still learn Russian..
Exactly.. Same for me too.. I know indonesian, jpn, kr and en. I mean Negara kita udh di "nobatin" Jdi Negara yg punya trilingual terbanyak
”Kansai dialect”, eh? 🤔
Does it have somesort of ”stereotype” in Japan?
I mean by... for example; in Finnish dialects ”Savonian dialect” has a Finnish inside stereotype of folk with dislocated lower jaw and straight honest answers. 😅
I'd say in general it's more of a lively, expressive somewhat gruffer way of speaking. I usually hear it compared to british Cockney or an American Southern accent. IIRC Osaka is rural and it's considered to be a less refined way of talking like a southern accent is in the US as well.
@@trustmeImadoc91 Osaka is metropolitan, but the region it's in, Kansai, is analogous to the American South in terms of how the country perceives it.
According to stereotypes: At best, they're folksy, lively & boisterous (as well as natural comedians if they're Osakan), and at worst, they're idiotic, crude hicks.
1:26 me rn
She reminds me of a 15 year old girl who could speak 11 languages
AINT GONNA LIE, Here in Indonesia, especially the people around me, they would rather study the language so they wouldnt have to read subtitles because reading sucks...... AINT GONNA LIE, i'm Indonesian and i was recommending a Korean Drama to her and her response was "i havent studied any korean yet" HEY JUST USE SUBS FFS
doing hard work today for future laziness...
AINT GONNA LIE TOO, in my people around me, it's exactly the opposite
5 languages
Iofi is a polyglot?
:v learn english from subtitles bcuz its free real estate though..