BIG BORE Kit Installed on 47cc 49cc Engine! Every Step Included
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
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Fun factz I just installed this engine in a new drift trike build for kids!! Check out the new build on it I just uploaded :)
Hey Dylon were you one that recommended getting the KTM carburetor for your 50cc pit bike with the performance egine? If so I was just wondering what jetting sizes you used because I finally got mine up and running and it runs kind of crappy. You helped me with a couple of other things with the bike last year. Thanks in advance.
When are you going to give us some new videos all what I have watched is 2 yrs old
The piston will expand slightly once the engine is warmed up. That's why it's 43.9mm and not 44mm. If it's 44mm when cold then the clearance between the piston and the cylinder will be too small/tight once warmed up which could cease the motor
I always found the "Black Widow" reeds the best for a high-performance build and for the head, you should use a performance head where you can adjust your "squish" settings (the amount of space at TDC as you can change your compression) and get that maximum performance, 2 shoe clutch with adjustable springs, various gearing and the possibilities are endless.
The top end speed I managed to get out of my 49cc lucky 7 was 74mph
how 74mph?
don't worry about the baring my dad works on all kinds of stuff like that and he had the same problem but he tried it and it worked and we still use it today and we put the ket in one year ago so it will be fine
I noticed the stock bearing is actually shown in the listing picture, so I guess they sent me the wrong one. I haven't heard back yet tho.
yeah I hope they send you the right one this time
and can you plz help me grow my UA-cam channel
If the bearing has that much movement in between the rod the engine will blow up instantly. The bearing will likely break apart and seize the bottom and top end after all the little needles get stuck inbetween them.
in our country if you buy order big bore kit, it will came with new performance crankshaft and you will not have these type of problems (and engine will rev even more because the crankshaft will handle it, i think about 2000rpm more, i didnt test it yet..)
use 2stroke oil, that is good advice (you can read why up in these coments)
I think you didnt use the cylinder gasket (between cylinder and crankcase) so check it because without this gasket your engine will not start up...
the window in piston is for the third transfer port in your new cylinder ;) (you will get more mixture into your cylinder) and no that window is not weight reduction :D :D because some people will think it...
carbon reed valves - awsome thing, I love this thing, you will have large increase in accerelation
rocket key - it is very good thing, you will increase accrelation, power in HP and top speed little bit, but something is still mising there... your flywheel is heavy, so I recommend you to buy performance flywheel instead, it is lightweight and you must not use rocket key because timing is changed in factory (if you cant find it, just type in google "tuningovy zotrvačnik minibike" and you will find some photos of that)
carburetor - the stock one is carb with float, performance carb that you used (that on the photo) is also float type, but it have 15mm bore what is much better compare to stock 12mm, but it is china style and lot of people have trouble with them... the last one witch you are preparing for your engine is 15mm too but it is another typ, it is membrane carb, this type of carbs you can find in chainsaw, weedeater and stuff like that, it is much better because this carbs dont have issues with mixture even if they are upside down... but please study how they works and how to mount them before you start... I personaly dont test them yet so I cant tell you about performance but if you set good mixture (with set screw on carb) it will be fine and I think you will have better performance than from the stock one :D just pay attention on mixture otherwise you can kill the engine ...
exhaust - I didnt see any exhaust in the videos, why ? without exhaust you will loose all performance... and you can even kill the engine if you run it long and in high RPM... and again you will lose lot of your performance, engine will not be able to rev more than 8KRPM i thing... in 2 strokes all performance is depending on your exhaust... the stock exhaust will perform better than nothing, yes with or without exhaust this engine will be very loud, but with the exhaust you will have power too ...
dyno - only way that I know right now is (also it is cheap and you can do it easily): use big eletric motor as generator, than start pluging some bulbs (high power) and plug them one by one until they start going out, just little bit, and use multimeters to mesure current and voltge, by multipling it you will get power in W (you will need at least halogen lamps because stock pocketbike have around 2kW that is 2000W) if you want know the horsepower you just simply multiply performance in kW by 1,3 and you will get your horsepower... but remeber it is not exactly perfect mesuring so you will lose about 10-30% by conversion to electricity, multimiters are not allways perfect (so readings may be different) power loos in cables and stuff like that, but it should work just fine for small tests and maybe you will use it as generator in blackout so maybe it will worth it :D :D :D
Wow thanks for taking all the time for this. Awesome... I was going to do the user suggested "rip some of the fins off the flywheel" But I think I will go your route and get the performance wheel. For the exhaust pipe, its shown at 12:06 / I might not fully understand your dyno Idea so I will read that over a few times and talk to smart friends about it :D Thanks !! Carb tests coming soon too / Edit And yea the gasket is there just hard to see, I didn't change gaskets or remove any
David Baran WOW man you know alot what if my engine is knocking or my carb is leaking do i need to replace
Jeibaru Turay if your carb is leaking, the float is probably stuck, so you should clean your carburetor. If its knocking you need a bigger gasket to get a little less compression or you can use higher octane fuel. I recommend to get higher octane fuel before you buy a new gasket
I like your dyno idea! Sounds great
Sorry for my bad english :D I was in hurry, so I don't have time to check what I have writen... Dylon sorry, I missed the scene with exhaust first time, my bad :D
This exhaust shoud work great.
Carburetor leaking, I don't know if you mean air leaking or fuel leaking, so if you have air leake you must change all gaskets + check your reed valves (just take them and look against light, it's not perfect but it works, or simply take them and try suck air throught them, that is better working, personaly I always use second metod, and I always try blow/suck/blow/suck if they are closing properly)
But if you have fuel leaking, start by changing fuel hose (use hose clamps) than dissassemble carb and clean him. I don't know wich carb you using so I will tell you what you should do with stock one (I whould like to make a video for you but I dont have a stock carb right now, only the performance carb...) so if cleaning don't help you, than again dissasemble carb, now just put the bottom bowl down, check float valve, if it works fine, you have the biggest challange - set the float level by bending fork. But remeber changing float level also change mixture ratio !!! Low level you will have lean, high level you will have rich, you must find the ideal for your engine (every engine is special, 2 engine with same settings of mixture doesn't exist)
For a knocking, please specify wich type of engine you are using, but I think it cloud be also damaged engine, so check your compression...
When installing your rings always one Groove at a time, less chance of breaking a ring
so bad when someone wanna show for noobies how to do it in wrong way...
If you look around, you can find kits that are similar to this one, but they have 2-3 boost ports with the main transfers separated, which makes 4 transfers instead of 2 (6 or 7 transfer ports in total counting boost ports).
Could you link?
@@-lig3-852agreed
For the stock bearing and the movement left and right in the piston skirt it won't matter. The connecting rod only moves up and down in a piston. Never left to right. If it does then that means the piston is to small for the cylinder. Hope that settles your nerves a bit
Thanks your correct but I showed it sorta bad in this, I'm more worry the bearing on its own will roll a lot either on the left side or the ride side while the piston is of course centered. causing some bad wear over time or something fatal to happen on a bump or what ever the elements bring out when riding. But now I see they show the stock bearing in the listing image... So Some mistake was made by this seller. Waiting to hear back.
Piston rings will not stretch out as you say .I've installed piston rings in an all kinds of engines for many years including ones like this and you can stretch them out enough to get them to go along they make a tool for it yes sometimes they break either way..
Also, it's easier to instal the bottom piston ring in the top groove first, then move it to the bottom to avoid stretching it as much as possible, then install the top ring in the top groove.
Performance Piston Rings actually mostly are thinner for lower friction -> thus more power
FYI put the piston in the cylinder just past the rings leaving enough room for the rod before you attach. Much easier.
Also if you split the case before the head , the piston won’t hang
These kits should come with preinstalled rings on piston
It's so easy to put them on, it's way harder on my dirt bike you can't use a tang
Fr they are a bitch to get on without breaking I had to order new rings because of that
That would defeat the purpose of a project bike man #homebuilt
Why they need to be off to gap them correctly
It’s so easy to put them on, probably shouldn’t work on them if you can’t do that.
You can make a small engine dyno. An inertia dyno would probably be easiest and reasonably accurate for your purpose. I would make it where you could add and remove weights to allow to test on different engines and get several seconds of run time so it doesnt rev to quick but doesnt bog the engine. I believe there is a guy on UA-cam that made one his channel was twostrokestuffing I believe. If you need any more help I can try my best to help
This is usually how I put my rings on my Pistons but they have a special tool designed for this
Does the big bore kit really make a difference in power or top speed?
Also those carbys need a different fuel tank, but when u have them all tuned up they run way better then stock just takes a little to get the bike started
I didn't see you install a base gasket. Maybe I missed that part of the video... Also the first carb wasn't a high performance piece. If it has a rotating drum with a hole in it, then don't bother with it. A 15mm Walbro pumper carb (or cheaper clone) would be my suggestion. Defiantly make sure the crank is a full circle type and install a V-block reed valve. I wouldn't worry about the wrist pin bearing. The same thing happened with my big bore kit on my X-1. Do not install an electric starter. Also get the right NGK plug. I hoped this helped some,
Life hack for putting on a cylinder put a piece of wood behind the piston
Good idea
Why?
If you are going to make a engine run stand it will be fine if u want to be on the safe side take the clutch out , with that carby the fuel tank u need has a 2 lines coming from the tank
Just make sure you heat cycle it a few times for the break in
Bruh I’m dead, it’s a 49cc wan gone you don’t gotta do thay
@@03_Kx100 any engine and I repeat any engine needs a break in.peroid......
@@03_Kx100 i doesn't matter how big the engine is you still should do heat cycles
@@03_Kx100 in English?..
What do you have to do
I love those little carb kits
I know this video is old but for future reference you take the chance of warping your crankshaft with no load on brake in
You should get what they say you get *keeps extra parts* *complains on off brand spark plug*
So? They sent it, sounds like their problem. Returning it costs time and gas and effort. They should just send the right part.
I would have used the kit gaskets because they might have a different thickness which can change compression
To everybody that want's to do this: If your Engine doesn't turn over on the First start try to remove the Sparkplug and turn it over Fast a couple of times, it could be that you just put to much oil into the Cylinder.
If you put the clips in the piston use a cloth and put it in ur engine because the clip can fly away and end up in your engine....
And for installing the piston in the cilinder its much easyer to put the piston in the cilinder before you put the piston on the crankshaft.
Also yes, it's bad for 2 strokes to be revving it without load becuase it will overheat and possibly blow up sooo I wouldn't do it. Hopefully this thing will rip when done
This video helped me with my install. Thank you!
I ran into the weirdest issue. I bought one of these kits for my 49cc engine. But when it came to installing the piston i found that the new piston had a much larger pin and bearing. They don't fit into the slot in the crankshaft. Sadly i cant do what you did and use the old bearing as the sizes between the old and new bearing and shaft parts are in compatible. Not sure what to do really... other than that, the piston itself and the new cylinder are the correct parts. Just not sure why the new piston has a larger pin and bearing when compared to the stock version
Try watching the video sometime, smh.
Thank you, I like your videos mate.
Is there any reason I shouldn't use spacers to raise my 49cc motor in the frame of a Chinese pocket Bike to give the chain clearance on the (non Swinging) swing arm? At the moment the wheel sprocket, pinion, wheels & chain are perfectly aligned so I don't want to go messing with wheel spacers to gain clearance that way.
But if I was to space the motor 5mm upward I could still keep everything aligned as it is now. It would be simple to adjust the top motor bracket & exhaust bracket to fit the lift and the tank would still clear the expansion chamber. Couldn't find any info on Google anywhere so some constructive views on the subject would be good. Thanks
What''s the difference between the 47cc and 49cc other than two cc's, why do you prefer the 47cc?, ya might want to think about making a dummy axle with a drum type strap-brake for the engine stand, how else would you ever be able to measure the HP/torque?, btw, they actually sell small engine dyno's on eBay, great video, thanks for sharing.
Side to side movement not so much a concern but up and down that would be fun fact your fingers can feel up to a thousands of an inch
it will be fine just don't rev the snot out of it use a good oil like klotz R50 mix it rich on oil 25:1 for the frist few tanks then run it at 32:1 mix also use a high octane gas like 91 or better
thebug 404 klots is the best two stroke oil on the market
Make sure u run high octane fuel with that rocket key aswell
What is the best pipe you've used for these engines? Did the rocket key make much difference or best leave it as standard ?
Nice beginnings to a potentially killer engine
Yayyy you got the parts i suggested😋
Do you know a place I can get a kit for a 110cc
You should use a ring install tool which puts less Stress on the rings when you install them.
Exactly.for newbies...
LOL at the instalation of the rings....I assure you they wont stretch out lol.....Break yea............HAHA
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What are your thoughts on this?
I Did that several years ago it feel really good, keep up nice videos!
From what I know. Don't run it out of oil, if 2stroke mix it if the oil is injection make shure it is full
Try to do stunts
Dylon Desbiens was 2cc's necessary
Dylon Desbiens For the stock bearing and the movement left and right in the piston skirt, it won't matter. The connecting rod only moves up and down in a piston. Never left to right. If it does then that means the piston is to small for the cylinder. Hope that settles your nerves a bit
Looks like a cool small boxer engine it's clay and even at the sides
after you give the breakin, give full throttle if you don't hear a grinchi sound is good, if you hear any rare sound use another copper gasket on the dome(sound at top speed full throttle)
Two copper gaskets?
Yes is matter of mm MILLIMETERS
then if you like that video I also can do a short video for quick and easy fast trick to install cylinder into the piston (w/rings), so easy videos could be less than a minute
The motor won’t blow up on the stand but u should attach a chain to a sprocket just to get it used to haveing pressure while running
When it’s brand new still not broke in yea I would say it’s bad but break it in an try it then an a Dino set up idk I been looking my self
Of course you can don’t forget about the extension reed valve block with the 4 window reed and a 17,5 carburetor and that’s it
Old vid but thy still make thsse engines i bought one when theybwere like 65$ cuz i love 2 stroke projects. Lost the carb never did anythibg with it. Now i see they still sell for almost 200$ now was thinking of buying another for a new project so i have extra parts too, so i csn try a port and polish of the heads an d other stuff. Cant many vids about the oerformance, i was sold on the "high compression head" clsimed to go to 11k rpm but always doubted tht claim. Would love to see and know the pweformance
1:09 *EGINE*
Lmao I peep bro bro
Egine
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Why didn't you use oil earlier when you put the rings on the piston etc?
How does this performed? I made a RC car with that engine and would like to improve it!
Just wondering when that electric starter review will come out
Haha fr
When you got the motor ready to put on , how did you mount it ? I'm using a 4 stroke motor mount on mine and it needs to go to the right about 3 ' . Did you have the same problem ?
The carb plus starter are from a dr50 engine a totally different kettle of fish... and yes the engine will be okay on its own with no load I have a mini moto with no chain for about 6 months now cos I can’t get the right one and it has no load and it will be perfectly fine
Probably do the expansion chamber next and try putting a smaller stinger on it
He probably doesn't even know what a stinger is 😂😂
Did you have more issues with gaskets and piston head hitting?
Wondering if the kits worth it
The engine mount plate needs bracing to handle the stock engine. Considering the flimsy design, first. A yamaha or suzuki jr50 engine, would tear this frame up, quickly. I have one to brace up, for friends, at this time. These mini bikes are, barely, there. Durability is built into nothing on these syxmoto machines. We can do our best to get a summer or two of riding with these.
Have you used drivven? Compact I/o modules that give the mini diagnostics on par with anything out here. I have an array of sensors and mad knowledge don’t know if you ever got an answer ?
New carb could be bigger to handle delivery of fuel the big bore kit now wants
Its 2cc more
For a small engine I don't think it will but still an engine is an engine it goes down to the quality of it
How many cc's does the big bore kit bring the engine up to?
The only thing I'd be concerned with is the rod bearing sliding out to one side inside the piston. Was there much side to side clearance on the stock bearing inside of the stock piston? Maybe they machined the opening bigger on the big bore piston so the bearing needed to be wider so it wouldn't slide out of the rod on the pin. Unless there's another way that the bearing stays in place in the rod? It looked like it just slid inside of the rod on the piston pin. I'm thinking that the machined area inside the piston holds the bearing from walking out of the rod. I hope i explained that correctly.
Eric Ernst some brings them up to 75cc
*some*
Your correct the upgraded bearing is wider so it doesn't slide left to right much in the larger piston, so using the stock bearing in there makes it slide around quite a bit since the stock one isn't as wide. So yea my worry is yours: if there was a decent bump the bearing could shoot to the left which wouldn't leave a lot of meat to roll on at all. In the listing picture now I see that they have the stock bearing shown in the baggy not this wide one that is to loose on the rod. So I'm just waiting to see what they say about this. May be they sent me the wrong bearing but the thing is it would work great for the piston if it didn't have all that rod play. So I'm just wondering from them what that bearing went to and where the mistake is
did it crank? where is video of THIS engine running after the BB install?
Don’t you need to replace the crankshaft for counterweight? It is heavier now right?
Dylan what brand do you suggest for a 50cc 2 stroke engine for an old calgari pocket rocket? I’m currently restoring one thanks dude!
U need put thin washers case harden pick them at lawn mower places or mower cycles should have those type of washers on both side keeps bearing moving make sure it design for piston this will make ur engine last longer
What do you lube the piston and cylinder with? 2 stroke oil or what 😂😅
You might be able to centre the bearing on the pin by putting a few washers on the pin on either sides of the bearing
I wanna hear that engine roaring with new performance carburetor
You can put the bottom piston ring on the top first then put it in the bottom.
hi i just ordered some bigbore kit on amazon, it came with the entire top end and a supposely more higher perfromance carb than what allready on the syx moto i got, hey i was womdering do you think i can uae the same crank shaft or should i upgrade it since im using a bigger bore, i seen other kits come with a crankshaft but my kit didn't come with one. Do you think it will be ok? maybe its the same size cranks shaft" or do you think the one that comes with the big bore kit is better?
It is so apparent, that you dont have deep knowledge about how engines actually work and how they are serviced. Thanks for showing the process, but apart from seeing it, there is almost no take-away.
exactly
Looks good but you really needs a piston ring tool. It will avoid scratching the crap out of the piston....
You are a big inspiration to me I just want you to know that
Where did you get that exhaust from? I’m trying to find one for my little 49cc dirt bike but could only find a stock one
Amazon
Idk anything about engines. I looked on Amazon. There was a variety of kits. Which big bore kit should be used for a 49cc gy6 moped engine?
hi i have just done the same to my engine i want to see the video with you fitting the electric start what you are doing i am doing the same i am very interested in your videos thank you for every thing well done
Hi I've got a 4 wheel electric scooter electric scooter I would like to know if I could fit that sort of end I could fit that sort of engine in it as it doesn't go that fast
question i just got a 49cc 2stroke pocket bike but having issues on finding out what new engine i could buy for it and whats a good site?
I miss this channel 😢
Are all the pocket bike engines interchangeable?
The Boy Wen yeah
Do not rev it with no load. It will damage it. You do not need to rev it wide open for a break in
so I got a 2008 kymco super 8 50cc 2t... I bought a Naraku 70cc bore kit. it only came with the cylinder part with the exhaust port and the guy had to swap out the 10mm piston pin and piston with a 12mm piston pin and piston. it also came with gaskets and piston rings... I swapped it over and got the rings on and cylinder sleeve on and lubed it up and torqued down. I didn't get to upjet it yet cause improper thread size for the jet I bought to go with it.. and the exhaust won't fit due to the exhaust port is slighted so I have no exhaust on it. I crunk it up and let it warm up and then turned it off. I also got a aftermarket air intake too. it will crank and run but when I accelerate it hardly will move at all. can you tell me the areas I can work thru to get the issue fixed? please and thank you
My 4 stroke 100cc has 54mm bore, I want to put it on my bike that I made from scratch and it has a lot of gears(it is on my channel)...do you think I can reach 90mph at least
@dylon desbiens Can you let me know it you need a license for a super pocket bike or not? Thank you
Do not run a carbon fiber reed with just the big bore kit the carbon fiber won’t open up with your low end power and but top end will be fine, I race these little bikes and I have realized that fibreglass is better than carbon on a stock bottom end
Can this type of engine be mount on a 49cc chinese standup scooter by chance?
Place the piston in the cylinder first then piston on rod
I personally would have used a couple of washers to stabilise the budget pin bearing
Why does the clutch look like that normally they have that like covering thing?
I have installed big bore kit on my 1PE40QMB. Compression is betweeen 50 and 70 is that too low?
Also, my scoote barely moves uphill, downhill and on flat it goes great.
Squish could be way to much. Should have more compression than that.
Hi, i also plan to buy a Big bore kit for minibike Blata bud i do not know if it really increases performance could you please advise me thanks.
Don’t worry about not having a load on it it will just take a little longer to break in
I know but the crankshaft you have is for a 42 it’s liter than a 44
Now the pro crankshaft is reinforced
I working on them way back I got up to 10 hp
Oh wow Cool, I wanna get it just have to save a bit more, thanksss
This for mini pocket right? i used it before. I have Rod scooter now
How long did it last? 😂
Hey man can you send me a link for that pull starter and a part number or link to the proper coil? Just got a SSR 47cc for my son real cheap but needs new coil and pull start
What kit is this? And if you may, where did you get it from?
Friend what your crankshaft oil seal size is it 7 15 25
Hey I was the one with the new 110cc venom pocket bike for sale! You said to hit you up on instagram but I don't have one! What other option do we have for communication? I have it listed on let go and offer up! Let me know! Thanks!
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I want to build a faster pocket bike recommend me where I should start
Can u tell me where I can buy same exhaust like yours pal
Do you have a link for the pipe? I cannot find it anywhere
is this engine
for a pocket bike,
sorry but you didn't
say , so We had to ask.
Would this fit on one of the pedal bike engine blocks? Are they universal?